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An Oil Change For Your Blood with Kyle Hulbert | Ep 132 · The Driven Athlete

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  SPEAKER_01: If you're a driven, active person who wants to reach and pursue a higher quality life with some ambition, then guess what?
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  SPEAKER_01: This podcast is for you.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is the Driven Athlete Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: What's up, y'all?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's man Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Kyle.
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  SPEAKER_01: Welcome back to the Driven Athlete Podcast.
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  SPEAKER_01: We try to talk about everything health, wellness, fitness, orthopedic sports, longevity health, which is why we got our special guest Kyle Holbert here with us with uh Longevity Center here in West Palm Beach in South Carolina, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, I know you're busy guys, so I appreciate you, you know, coming in and sharing insights on all things longevity.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: No, I'm glad to be here.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's uh it's always a great opportunity to share kind of what's going on in longevity medicine, you know, some of the advances, some of the things we're working on.
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  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, no, it's super interesting.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and you just got back from out of uh overseas in Paris.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was uh it was actually the South of France.
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  SPEAKER_00: South France.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was Cannes or Cannes, or I don't know how to say it, but um yeah, it was really cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was there's a women's health documentary that um we're we're friends with the producers and they invited us out to the premiere.
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  SPEAKER_00: Cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: They were in the USA Film Pavilion at the film festival there.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh it was a it was a really cool opportunity because we got to meet some of the you know the biggest names in biohacking and longevity medicine and a lot of cool biological dentists and uh people in the stem cell space, people in the peptide space.
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  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um by who?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like what we met Jay Campbell.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um I'm not sure if you know Jay Campbell, but he's like number one in uh number one in the peptide space.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's like the peptide guru.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh we met another guy named Bruce, he's big in the big in the stem cell space, um, one of the OG guys in stem cells.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then just a lot of different other people.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um and they're they primarily work in America or do they Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was a bunch of US-based people.
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  SPEAKER_00: There were a few people from like Costa Rica Um in Central America that are doing like uh medical tourism.
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  SPEAKER_00: So they serve generally Americans who fly in.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, interesting.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, so this guy Bruce, he's the pioneer for stem cell stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: Was he some of the beginning introductions for yourself and you guys?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so we met we met him there in Cannes not too long ago.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, but he created a product that was like he was like the OG creator of the one of the products that we use for joint injections.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um since then, it's like three generations past the product we use, but he he's been doing this for decades.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he like he understands it to a level that very few people do.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's cool, that's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: So tell people um longevity center, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: The longevity center, you and Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ben Kosubebevsky, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: K.
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  SPEAKER_01: Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: K.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, y'all are in West Palm Beach, right here, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Right up village.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we got a location here in West Palm Beach, um, right off Village Boulevard.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh we have a location at Hippocrates Health Institute.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_00: How'd y'all link up there?
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  SPEAKER_00: Um honestly, it was just kind of uh, I think we had a like a patient income.
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  SPEAKER_00: Mutual patient.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he was like, they need they need support on the medical side um with the IVs and stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we were like, well, we we do that.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we just start talking.
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  SPEAKER_00: Cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we we started in May there, and uh, so this will be our second month.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's it's really cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: Amazing.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's really cool to be, you know, because when you have an outpatient office where you come and get therapies, IVs, and stuff like that, treatments, um you don't necessarily have good compliance with the diet and lifestyle aspects.
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  SPEAKER_00: But when people are Hippocrates, they have no, yeah, there's no choice.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're there, you're eating the clean diet, you're doing all of the lifestyle things, you're doing the workouts, you're doing everything.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so it's it's pretty cool because it's like this little insulated environment where you can enact massive amounts of health change in three or four weeks.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: Just full immersion.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, I visited them and met the owner uh a couple years ago.
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  SPEAKER_01: Brian.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a cool spot.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like it's very interesting.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh it was cool, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, that's really that's awesome.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh so you guys um so tell the people like what what what what do you guys do, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Somebody calls and says, like, you know, I want to help my health and wellness.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you guys what do you guys do?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, what would you answer?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we do literally everything in integrative medicine.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if it exists in functional integrative medicine, we do it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, anywhere from you know, detox for heavy metals, chelation, um, eBU, which is a blood uh like filtration technology, um, all the way to regenerative injections with stem cells and graphs.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, we do some aesthetics, some like all natural aesthetics.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um really, if it does exist, we do it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, we even do optimization, we do peptides.
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  SPEAKER_00: So um, you know, if like you look at your lab work and everything's in range, we can still say, hey, these are the four things that are in range, but they're not optimal.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's get you dialed in.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's bump that up.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we can do actual longevity medicine where we're focusing on life extension, health span extension.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, primarily the majority of our patients are focused on some complex chronic thing that they have.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like chronic Lyme disease.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Lyme, Epstein bar heavy metals, uh, mystery illness.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's one we get all the time.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm sick.
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  SPEAKER_00: I don't know why.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've been to seven, eight, twelve doctors, they can't figure it out.
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  SPEAKER_00: Can you help me?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like that's our jam.
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  SPEAKER_01: What do they okay?
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  SPEAKER_01: Good.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's good to know.
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  SPEAKER_01: What what would you usually find with those people?
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  SPEAKER_00: We usually find like one of five things that usually pop pop up.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's heavy metals, mold, Epstein bar, viral reactivation, uh, Lyme disease, parasites.
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  SPEAKER_00: These are things that most doctors don't look for.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Mold and heavy metals.
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  SPEAKER_01: Would it be a combination of all of them?
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  SPEAKER_01: It it can be.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like you have elevated mold that you're harboring, and they would and their where?
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  SPEAKER_01: And like their interstitial tissues and their joints and their brain, like it's usually it's usually a mix, so it depends on what it is.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, like um heavy metals, for example, love tissues and organs.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um so like each heavy metal has a like a target organ.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Example, lead loves the blood, the bones.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you can actually test a woman's lead levels across her menstrual cycle, and the levels of lead will change because of the bone mineral um connection with the cycle.
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  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like mercury loves the brain, and then each each kind of toxin has its specific place where it likes to live.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: So how do you guys diagnose that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, we have a variety of tests.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, we start with comprehensive lab work though.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, so we take we try to take an affordable approach.
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  SPEAKER_00: You come in, consult to$175.
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  SPEAKER_00: That$175 gets applied to your first treatment.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the consult's technically free.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, from there, we do comprehensive blood work.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you leave with a script.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's uh it's kind of like function labs, um, except it's a few more biomarkers.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, we're looking for deep, deep things.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then when we get that back, we do a what we call a lab review where we go over all your blood work.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then from there, Doc will recommend, or doc or one of our practitioners will recommend hey, I think you need this specialty test.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe we need to test for mold, maybe we need to test for heavy metals or lime.
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  SPEAKER_00: Based on these results and what you've told me on your subjective symptoms and goals, this is where we need to go.
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  SPEAKER_00: Cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we take it one at a time.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, uh that's how our approach differs from a lot of like integrative medicine and functional medicine doctors, because a big part of functional integrative medicine is the diagnostics.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so you come in, five thousand dollars, and we're gonna test you for everything, which makes the doctor's job really easy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like I have all this data, like I know what to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the flip side is the patient didn't get anything from that in terms of actual health improvement.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like there's no actual intervention that happened, just testing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_00: So basically we we run all after our overhead, we run all of our consults and our lab testing all at a loss to get the patient to a plan where they can get treatment and feel better.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think it's interesting is like, at least from our end, we uh something I've asked a lot where it's like somebody goes to a facility or place, um, if it's an orthopedic, you know, musculoskeletal issue or internal medicine kind of approach.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm like, what did what do they actually do to solve your problem?
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  SPEAKER_01: And a really common one with that is like vestibular vertigo dysfunction.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're just like test after test after console.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, I'm like, I'm seeing this ENT doc, or I'm seeing this other, you know, ophthalmologist or something like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And are I'm like, what exactly have you done though to intervene to help the problem?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like literally nothing.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're just waiting for another test.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that happens so often, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Musculoskeletal is very similar to a console with a doc or like imaging and stuff like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, so far it's been, you mentioned that it's been bothering you for three months, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: You started and you started pursuing this, you know, six weeks ago.
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  SPEAKER_01: In the six weeks, you've done nothing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Literally nothing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Literally nothing has like you haven't taken a step forward in any action plan where I'm like, dude, just like let me just like let's just let me evaluate you at least, you know, like and we'll send you, we'll treat you day one and we can at least get you on a track.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's a just a bummer.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, and the beauty about doing the the comprehensive lab work first and then the specialty tests is 90% of the time we'll find some low-lying fruit, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Your vitamin D is low or your testosterone is low or something really easy to fix.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then out the gate, they're feeling better.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: It might not be, it's probably not the solved, it's probably not the root, but at least some things are being we're we're feeling better.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're on the track.
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  SPEAKER_01: Some steps have been taken.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, all right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you said your wheelhouse is the mystery illness.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm sick, I don't know why, chronic undiagnosed issues that Western allopathic medicine can't find otherwise.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then it's like now that we have this information, now we know how to we can actually take steps forward to treat it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that would include um like blood detox stuff, which would be like EBU?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_01: And does that so like somebody comes up with heavy metals, you tested it, you found abnormalities.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like we think it's this mold, heavy metals, um, some kind of parasite issue, Epstein bar or Lyme.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, those are the most common ones you said.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, how do you what does EBU treat those things?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, what do you do?
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  SPEAKER_00: It does in some of them.
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  SPEAKER_00: So uh EBU is not a front line in heavy metals.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, we use chelation for that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's a specific molecule that binds to the heavy metals in the body and you excrete it through the kidneys.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's an injection or an IV jump?
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  SPEAKER_00: IV.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So based on how many heavy metals your concentration, your toxicity levels, how many you'd have to do to get rid of them.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, people often, though, do eBu in between those because chelation is not necessarily fun.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like you get an IV to move remove your heavy metals, and you do get an exacerbation of the symptoms that you have from those heavy metals as they're going out.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, so people do eBu to kind of clean up the system to reduce those detox effects.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um the and explain eBu.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, EBU is extracorporeal blood oxygenation and ozonation.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, that's why people call it eBu.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, do you guys have that extracorporeal bit uh I don't think I don't think I've ever heard a patient say the full name.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not once.
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  SPEAKER_01: Extracorporeal blood oxygenation and ozone and ozonation.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: So basically it's a close loose, closed loop system, pull blood out of one arm, run it through a dialysis filter, which gets mixed with ozone and oxygen.
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  SPEAKER_00: It runs through a UV light system and then back into the other arm.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's um it's kind of like a they say it's like an oil change for the blood.
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: But basically what it does is the the filter filters out debris, dead bacteria, and things like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: The ozone kills bacteria, modulates the immune system, kills viruses, um, also superoxygenates the body.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and you know, oxygen is kind of the the lifeblood, no pun intended.
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  SPEAKER_00: Literally, yeah, quite literally.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then it goes through the UV system.
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  SPEAKER_00: The UV system further kills those those negative things.
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  SPEAKER_00: It'll also pull out toxins in that filter.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, like the biggest one we see is glyphosate, like massive amounts of glyphosate coming out.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_00: What's glyphosate?
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  SPEAKER_00: Roundup.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_00: Glyphosate is uh basically a pesticide that's used in just almost all of our food.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it's a toxin.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, if you think about things that are specifically meant to kill bugs, yeah, is it gonna have zero health effects on us?
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's hard to say that it's probably not gonna kill us like it'll kill a bug, but you keep eating it over and over and over and over again for decades, you're probably gonna get some negative effects from it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
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  SPEAKER_01: So understood glyc glyphosate makes total sense, pesticides, the foods we eat, all the agriculture.
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  SPEAKER_01: What are heavy metals?
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  SPEAKER_00: How do you harbor that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, heavy metals um they come from all over.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, one of the biggest sources is actually um from each person's mother.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, so it uh they actually transfer in the womb.
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  SPEAKER_00: So a big portion of the burden of the heavy metals that the mother has will transfer to the baby.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you most people start out with a baseline of heavy metals, um, and then through the world we live in, accumulate different types.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So through what?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like just uh the like air, like the food, water, food, different exposures.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, like it's different for every metal.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, like mercury, for example, the biggest one is amalgam fillings, so like silver fillings, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then I got a couple of those, like tuna and large fish consumption.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, and for some people it's not a problem.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like some people's bodies be based on their genetics, based on how they detox, they can tag it and they excrete it, and it's really no issue.
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  SPEAKER_01: So some people they just have a genetic predisposition to just harbor and hang on to certain heavy metals more so than others.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then if they do another genetic genetic predisposition to just have it be harbored in their organs, like brain for the mercury, lead in their bones, and then they just will present symptoms.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, and like a great example of this, the most extreme example is like people of Japanese ancestry, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: They have a genetic mutation that actually allows them to tag and excrete mercury in fish because Japan would have ceased to exist with the amount of tuna they eat.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Super super heavy uh yeah, so they can eat tuna all day and have no uh health consequences from it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's super I mean, it makes total sense.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then uh parasites, everybody has parasites.
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  SPEAKER_00: Everybody has parasites, so like literally everyone rocking around.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you're listening to this podcast, if you're alive with a pulse, you actively have parasites, and people don't understand that, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: People freak out when they get parasite test results.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're like, Oh my gosh, I have bugs, I have worms in me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm like, okay, every everyone has some level of parasites.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's only a problem if it's certain types and then too many, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: So, and you get exposed to them everywhere.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's it's in water, it's in food, you go get sushi, like yeah, sushi.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, deli meat, deli meat, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's um pork.
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  SPEAKER_00: Pork's a big one.
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  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, even if it's cooked like well, if it's cooked really well, um, it's it's safer.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I mean, you still think of like, you know, when I when I get a pork chop, I don't want that thing well done.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be like a it's gonna be a rock.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_01: What about ribs?
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: Pulled pork.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, I love I'm a you know, I'm a pork guy for sure.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm gonna eat all the time, but a good pulled pork sandwich or ribs.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, yeah.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_01: That's good.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so it's it's a better if you cook it.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: So obviously, the less cooked it is, the more at risk for parasites you are.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_00: So that's why like sushi is like a big one because it's raw.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: So then you would test similar things, like comprehensive blood work testing that would indicate they have parasites at an elevated level or the ones they don't want.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: So we do a GI map, um it's a specialty test for that.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we've actually found that um a lot of times, because everyone has parasites, if they're presenting with parasite-based symptoms, um, we offer them, hey, do you want to do testing or do you just want to do treatment?
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_00: Testing's gonna be like five, six hundred bucks, and the treatment is probably similar.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_00: You could just do it.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_00: And because everyone has some level of parasites, it's almost always beneficial.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: What do people feel after parasite removal treatment?
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: Are they like, man, I feel lighter, I feel less bloating?
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what do they feel?
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you name it.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: The GI the GI symptoms are usually the biggest one.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_00: So less bloating, more regularity.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: I feel a little bit more energy because I'm actually absorbing my nutrients better.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: Better, yeah, yeah.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but it's it goes so far as like uh we had one patient who did a parasite cleanse, and um, she went off of testosterone right before she did the parasite cleanse.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: And when you're on testosterone and you go off it, you assume that the testosterone levels are going to drop dramatically, right?
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: And back to her baseline.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: And she actually was two or three X her baseline post the parasite.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: Without the without the CRT.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: Because whatever those parasites were doing, they were absorbing the testosterone, too.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: They were they were limiting her testosterone.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_01: That's so interesting.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I love that stuff because I'm like, there has to be my the way my brain goes, I'm like, there has to be an answer of why somebody just naturally has low levels of something barring some like genetic issue, which we can't change.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: And then you'll be like, okay, we need supplementation.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: Where it's like, you're low on this, let's just supplement with this.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, well, is there a reason why?
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and that that drives me nuts, right?
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: Because I hear so often, doctors and people online and on podcast are like, root cause.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like, let's let's find the root cause of the dysfunction.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_00: You need hormonal balancing, hormonal optimization.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, that's still a symptom treatment.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: That is literally a symptom.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: Your hormones don't just decide to take a left.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like they don't just go off.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: There is a reason.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: If you're attacking the root cause, you're looking for why those hormones are off.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: There's nothing wrong with treating the hormones, make them feel better right now.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: But while you're doing that, keep looking.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: And it's so in what your guys' lens is saying, it's usually one of these five things: Epstein, chronic Epstein bar, Lyme issue, parasites excessively, or the incorrect ones, mold harboring and heavy metal harboring.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: So most, most of our patients will it's either like a combination of like it's either one thing that's super high, and then not much on anything else, or like medium levels of everything.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: Gotcha.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the other thing I go with on that, and then other very touchy subjects of like cancer um or genetic uh issues that people will because I was sorry, I'm gonna say this.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: Other um chronic issues that terminal problems like um multiple sclerosis or even RA.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it my the lens I have with this kind of stuff, whether my head works on this, and you correct me what your thought is too.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_01: But um, somebody already has an underlying genetic predisposition to harbor metals or to have these kind of pathologies present, and then um irritation and system inflammation tips the scale for then those genetic predispositions to be expressed and tripped that then cause problems like multiple sclerosis, RA, cancerous development, where it's like if you go back, like those like if somebody just developed our uh you know, multiple sclerosis, they were just born to have it, you know.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's like I'm like, I'm not fully convinced.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: They have a genet genetic predisposition to develop that uh MS, but because of an underlying chronic inflammatory, irritated systemic state that tripped that scale, but that was caused because of something stuff like this.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: Is that is that accurate?
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, I would 100% agree.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_00: So, like if you look at MS, like I know people who get their MS completely under control.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like they had a massive flare-up, they realized they got diagnosed, they changed their diet, they changed their lifestyle, they detoxed, they did all the things, and then it's been years and they've had no problems, right?
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like they're like functionally, they're they're good.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: Will their myelin regenerate?
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's actually a good question.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: Because I know central nervous system, myelin, if I might get this correct, the oligodendrocytes, they don't regenerate.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas the Schwann cells, which are the myelin for peripherals, do.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so that is my understanding.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, what we are actually seeing is there are a few things that help remyelination.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, basic lifestyle stuff, you know, move, exercise, eat well, drink enough water, drink clean, purified.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: Sure, stress management.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: But some of the some of the things coming out, there's like a lot of research on uh semaglutide or osempic for for remyelation.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: Oh which is a bummer because it's like I feel like it's so used.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but the flip side is like this is not like miracle drug, it helps with myelation, it helps with muscle.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I heard there's another one they're coming out with that pairs with semaglutide for muscle maintenance and growth while being on Ozempic or semaglutide for fat loss.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there are a lot of really good stacks that mitigate the problems with Ozempic.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um semaglutide, the the main problem with it is the dosing and the lack of lifestyle education surrounding it.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: So, like we use GLP ones in practice.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it sounds like it's it's super helpful.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, imagine somebody who's like obese and they like, I've done everything I can't.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: They have no momentum, then no encouragement.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: This helps get the things running.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_01: And then Like, oh, I'm losing some weight.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: And it just only, you know, reinforces and encourages more active steps.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: But like the way we do it, like, first of all, the majority of our patients are on microdoses.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and they don't even want weight loss.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: They want the brain benefits, the anti-inflammatory benefits, the the sleep benefits, they want And that's what semagly can bring.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: So I at a microdose.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: So before you even get to any appetite suppression at a microdose, you can actually get all these anti-inflammatory benefits from it.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_00: And then the patients that do want the weight loss, like Doc's approach to it is low, low, low, low, low and slow.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: So, like, I don't think we've ever had a patient that hit the top dose.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: Ever.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: It's the point they didn't need it at that.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: So, like, the the standard dosing protocol is basically you know you start at the intro dose and you double it every four weeks until you hit the top dose.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: Give or take.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's pretty close to that.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_00: And doc will keep someone on the intro dose as long as they're having their goals that they're hitting.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: So, like, if you're if you're losing a pound a week and you're on the intro dose, you don't need to go up.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_00: Then why go up?
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: There's there's no point.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_00: Other than just impatience.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_00: And the problem is you get impatient, you start losing three pounds a week.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: What are you losing now?
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_01: Muscles and muscle included.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe other things too.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like that's kind of stuff.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I would imagine it's still a conversation with patients.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: Be like, imagine, like it's low and slow, and this is still a year journey where it's like if it's June right now, imagine like, you know, June of next year, you know, Father's Day of 2027.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's when we're gonna look at what differences we have at this point, versus like, you know, in a month, yeah, you're gonna be like ripped in like 5% body fat.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: You've got you got to set up the expectations.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: And the cool thing too about going low and slow is the symptoms are mitigated.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: So, like you get the GI distress, you get the diarrhea, the constipation, whatever might happen.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: If you're going too high a dose too quickly, like, and you're eating crap.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: And you don't change the lifestyle with it.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: If you change your lifestyle and you eat clean and you go on a low dose below the intro dose of what like Osympic is sold at, and you step up super slowly, almost no one has has the side effects.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: Amazing.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's cool.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: Which you just gotta navigate, right?
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: So let's say somebody comes in and they um they do want weight loss and they feel foggy, they don't feel great, right?
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um what's the expectation time frame that you educate people?
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like, hey, we're gonna do a super low dose on this, you know, below the intro, typically for semaglutide.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: What's the time frame?
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: It really depends on how much they're looking to lose.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so like we aim for a pound a week.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: So if you're trying to lose 10 pounds, 10 weeks.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, if you if you have to lose a hundred pounds, we'll usually go pretty fast, like a lot faster in the front end because you naturally will lose weight when you have that much weight to lose a lot quicker.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: So you'll be at that two or three pound mark per week for the first month or two.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: So it starts out quick and then tapers down versus like start low and then you'll exponentially lose more.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: So we actually we actually want you to so like if you're significantly overweight, you'll see the weight drop fast.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: And then we actually want you to settle around the one pound per week.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: Because when you start it, you're losing water weight, you're losing inflammation, and you're not losing three, four, five pounds of fat out of post tissue.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: So five or six pounds of fat a week is actually like usually physiologically impossible to lose.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: Because there's you're not burning enough calories.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: So you'd have to eat nothing.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: And then can you even oxidize that much of the lipids?
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like your body can't even process that.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: So that five, six pound fat loss that they might have on the front end is mostly just water.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_01: I got you.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so you the uh oh and okay, next would be chronic Lyme.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_01: So what do you guys do for that?
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we have a we have a Lyme protocol.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um because that's that's another one that's shunned by the medical field, you know.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you just take doxycycline and that should fix it, right?
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, if you have chronic Lyme, doxycycline is most likely not gonna fix it.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um now, if you get bit and you see the tick and you rip it off or whatever, go get the doxycycline.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like go right there.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: Because actually, if you get bit and you get the doxycycline before the rash appears, you have a really good chance of stopping it.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's done.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, even post like once the rash appears, I think it's around 40 or 50 percent, is what we've seen.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_00: If you get the doxycycline like while the rash is active, you got about a 40 or 50 percent chance of that just knocking it out.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: If somebody gets bit by a tick, is it like you will get Lyme?
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_01: What's the percentage on that?
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_01: Not necessarily.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: I don't really know the percentage off the top of my head.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um like I got bit, you know, and I uh I saw it and I didn't get lime.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, I didn't I that didn't happen to me.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'm saying does that happen?
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: No, that happens fairly frequently.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like we actually just had a patient, um, I think it was last week, who was uh was always concerned about Lyme because she's been bit by a bunch of ticks and she was negative.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: Huh.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: And then the flip side was How does she know?
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: I mean they're tiny, right?
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you could you could see it.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um and then unfortunately, after an entire life and many, many tick bites that she didn't get Lyme, she got bit by one that did have Lyme and she got it.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: Uh what's she doing?
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: She hiking in Asia?
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like it was literally just like walking around outside and hiking here?
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it here, it's in it's in Florida, it's in the Northeast a lot.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um, like just it is exploding.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: So, like you can read the you can read the news reports, like confirmed tick bite cases are just exponentially rising right now.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_01: Is that I've heard some conspiracies on that, but is that just because of like diagnosis awareness, you know?
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_01: I don't necessarily think like spectrum disorders are skyrocketing.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, well, have they always been there?
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: We're just now diagnosing them, you know?
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't necessarily know if I agree with that either.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: But okay, interesting.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, no, I honestly think because diagnosing Lyme like acute like Lyme because you got bit is not very difficult.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I really don't think it's the diagnosis.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_00: I think it it literally is the tick population.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's rising.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: From how?
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um I don't know.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: I'd have to learn ecology, honestly.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: I did not do well in ecology.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: I did not take yeah, that's not my thing.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's just not my thing.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: Uh or zoology, that's what I was gonna say.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so what would be like the okay, and then Epstein bar.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: So that's the mono, right?
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, mono.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_00: So like most people in their life will contract mono.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and for most people, it's really not a big deal.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you get sick, you don't feel well, it's a few weeks, move on in life.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: What happens is when the immune system is suppressed, this virus can actually reactivate.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's when you get all these chronic effects from it.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: And getting that back suppressed, getting that virus back under control is a big game changer for people.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_00: So like we see CRP elevated and we can drop that CRP.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: What's CRP?
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_00: Uh C reactive protein.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um so it's like an inflammatory marker.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_00: Traditionally, it's used as a heart marker, but really it's a it's a total measure of inflammation.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so getting getting that virus back under control is a is a big thing.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, what's the best stack?
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_01: Let's say somebody comes in and they have they are concerned about parasites, you did testing, they have mold harboring and some medium heavy metal dysfunction.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: What do you do?
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like, hey, you want the best protocol?
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: So the the best, the best really is attacking each toxin with what it needs to be treated with.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: So, for example, like mold and heavy metals.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: So if you have mold and you have heavy metals, attack the heavy metals first.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_00: So chelate, get them removed.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: And the reason I say that, it's pretty well established.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_00: The the mold lives in biofilms, it's kind of stuck in the body in these like little protective biofilms.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_00: And the bones, the foundation of those biofilms is heavy metals.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_00: And so if you pull the heavy metals out, the mold will uh 80% of patients who have mold symptoms that have heavy metals, the mold will just go away.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_00: So it's a heavy metal problem.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so it's a heavy metal problem.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_00: So and we we usually give something like a like a prescription to kill the mold as well, because you know, what's that?
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: Might as well it's reconazole.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: So it's an antifungal.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: Is that a pill or IV?
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: And the mold harboring, that I mean, are people living in their homes with just excessive mold?
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_00: So most of the time it's the home, um, especially being like here in Florida with the humidity, you know, mold mold can grow in ambient humidity north of 50%.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_00: So like having a whole home dehumidifier can mitigate that.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah leaky windows, leaky showers, you name it.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, if you're not is there a way to test the ambient mold?
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: You know, what's the best way to test for mold in your living area or your workspace?
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_00: Best way to test is highly contested.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I like using a professional company.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, this is not something I would DIY because like you can DIY some air samples.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's not a very good way to test because like it only shows you what's actively moving in the environment.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_00: So, but what if your dog runs through and its tail swipes some stuff into the air?
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like that's gonna change the sample drastically.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's true.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_00: And so usually when you're doing air samples, it's nothing's moving in the house and you're just testing the air right there.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_00: So like I like a I like a combination of like um air samples, thermal imaging for water spots, visual inspection for any water damage.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you could get a mold dog.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so they sniff mold and they'll they'll call it out when it is.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um let's say you find some and you know, they're like, hey, we got a like we're treating your mold, your heavy metal is cool.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but you're living in a mold infested area that you didn't even realize.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: What do you do?
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like, how do you what do you suggest?
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so we don't go into the whole remediation thing um because it's not our not our results.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, personally, I can because I have a background in construction, like that's where I started.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but for our clinicians, they're clinicians, they're not contractors.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_00: So we work with we work with a company here.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's called homies.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: It should actually intro you.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_00: You'd you'd probably like to meet them.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but they will do comprehensive testing of the whole house.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_00: So they'll look at your water quality, they'll look at your air.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_00: What are they called?
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_00: Homies.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_00: H-O-M-E-Y-S.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like chillin' with my homies.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so they'll do like comprehensive air quality testing, water testing, visual inspection, thermal camera, they'll look at your air handler, and they'll give you like a really comprehensive report of everything that needs to be fixed.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_00: They will fix some of it if you want them to.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_00: And for the big stuff like the remediation, they have like the top companies that they've qualified that can help remediate.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: So they're a diagnostic.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: And then they'll be like, you need to fix this, this, and this, call this company, this company to fix the thing.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, which I appreciate because they're not going there to sell you renovations.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like they have their one thing.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: They're going there to there's no incentive to be like, you have 15 things wrong, pay us.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like a car mechanic.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, this, this, this, this thing.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_00: So they go there, they say, Hey, this is what's wrong.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we recommend fixing one, three, and five, you know, number two, get it fixed in the next like three years.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: So the authenticity of their suggestions, there's no incentive that are gonna benefit to like you know, elevate.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's good to know.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, all right, so all right, so testing, I mean a treatment for mold and heavy metals, you would do the uh the heavy metal recolation first, then the mold uh detox med.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then what?
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I would stack EBU on that as well.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: And then eBuw.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so it not only will pull mold out, um, but it'll also clean up the entire system.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: And so And how many how many treatments of EBU does that take?
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_00: Usually gold standards, three.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's not crazy.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_01: We had somebody that came in that they did the eboo and they were like, oh, my blood was like dark.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_01: And then after a couple of treatments, it got more better color.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like the stuff that was removed was dark, and then there's like less toxins that were pulled out.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: How often do people need that then?
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like every 10 years, every five years?
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_00: So, I mean, we tell most patients, like, you do your initial set of three to come back for a touch-up, maybe once every six months or once every year.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um just for one treatment.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_00: Just one treatment.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's not something that like I'd recommend.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like, so if you're dealing with something really deep and we've got like massive toxin problems, and like we've got a lot of work to do, maybe you're doing 10 of them.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like you might need a lot more.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but for the most people, like three is kind of the gold standard, and then just a maintenance like every six months or once a year.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, just come back and do one.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because you know you get exposed to stuff.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um interesting.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then parasites, is there a pill you take and then it like Yeah, so you rid that.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um this is one of the one of those things that Doc just like loves to rant about.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because in the in the functional and integrative space, like ivermectin is like the thing, right?
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_00: It's got a lot of attention.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like it'll cure your anything.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_00: And ivermectin hits about a third of the parasites.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_00: So, like if you treat a if you shoot a horse for parasites, they they give what they call triple therapy, right?
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_00: You have three separate antiparasitics that hit up roughly a third of the parasites each.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: And so we take that similar approach.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: So we use actual pharma, but like we use uh three specific medications and we do a global parasite lens, so we hit it from all angles.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_00: Cool.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_00: And we don't we do shorter, like not crazy intense bursts because parasites live in the life cycle, so they might be an egg or larva or active.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_00: And so we would like to run a shorter course that will kill the active ones, and then we can rerun as needed, not just like an extended brutal parasite cleanse that you're just like high dosing for a long period of time.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: Eboo for that as well, you'd recommend?
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we recommend eboo all for everybody, pretty much.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_00: Eboo, the beauty of eboo is like it's not gonna do you wrong.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_00: There's no negative, there's no negative.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're cleaning the system and you're super oxygenating.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like at the end of the day, it's amazing.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, and how it works with the modulation of the immune system too, it's a it's a modulator.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_00: So, like if your immune system's underactive, it'll bump it up.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_00: If it's overactive, it'll bump it down.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's cool.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's awesome.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_01: So, how do people usually feel?
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like heavy metal treatment, mold, parasite treatment, um, some e three eboo treatments after I don't know, three months?
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_00: Two two months?
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, two, three months, most people are feeling a lot better.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: What are they yeah, what are they reporting?
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I think the number one is sleep, better sleep.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my goodness, I can actually rest.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, a lot of improvement in mental health symptoms.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_00: We see that a lot.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like emotional volatility or fog?
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh both.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_00: And even like anxiety.
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so even more extreme ones.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then we see like the the cognitive piece of it is huge.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_00: Like, oh my goodness, like my brain's back on.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I can think, especially with Lyme.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like, we we had a guy the other day.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_00: Um he uh did a Lyme protocol with us, and he was talking to me, he was like, dude, I've been dealing with this for like almost 30 years, and like I I could I couldn't read a book.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_00: And now I can read.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, I can I can actually read again, and like absorb yeah, the info.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_00: He's like literally like it was his brain was to the point where he could like physically could not read the words on the page.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's crazy.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and he's like, and now I'm I'm reading books.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um, that's really cool.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: Well, let's let's get into um let's the stem cell stuff.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: So um how if things where where are we at now?
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like what when somebody comes in, I would imagine joint issues would be the number one thing people want stem cells first.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: What do you do?
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so we have we have two kind of stem cell camps, if you will.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's the joint and musculoskeletal problems, and then there's the kind of like systemic autoimmunity and longevity.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_00: So for like joints, tendons, ligaments, the whole deal, we actually use a we use what's called a tissue graft, a placental tissue allograft.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_00: And it's actually the raw materials that your body needs to rebuild that structure.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_00: And so this differs a lot from most people's stem cell injections.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_00: Because you go into most stem cell clinics and say you have a knee problem, they'll inject stem cells right into the knee.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_00: The problem with that is you gave the signal, now you're relying on your body to source the materials and rebuild.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_00: Stem cells do not differentiate into the cartilage.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_00: People think they do, but they do not.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: They're signaling cells, they signal the body to go do the work.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: But if you instead do of stem cells, you actually put in the the tissue with all the raw materials, with the inflammation signaling and everything it needs to regrow.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_00: Then it has the actual building blocks to do it.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: Then it has the actual building materials.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and that's that's how our approach goes.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_01: So you're so you're injecting like the stem cells with cartilage material?
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_00: Not necessarily cartilage material, so it's actually like it's a mix, it's placenta tissue.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's like tissue from the placenta.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: But the the growth factors in there are the things that the body needs to differentiate into cartilage.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it builds it basically is fuel for the chondrocytes, um, which is the cartilage cells.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_01: Cool.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: And have you guys done are there any like tests like pre and post MRI?
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_00: We, I mean, we have uh plenty of them.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_00: We had one guy with um, this is this is a great example.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_00: We had one guy who did knee injections.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_00: And uh four days later he decided he was gonna hike a mountain.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_00: And we were like, what are you not yet?
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: What are you doing?
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_00: And he was like, My knees are hurting.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_00: We're like, Well, yeah, you just had them injected a couple days ago.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you're supposed to take at least two weeks of downtime and not intense exercise.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like, give it a break, like 10 days, then go to PT.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_00: Like that, that's how it works.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but he was like, I don't know, did I ruin the stem cells?
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: And we were like, No, you didn't ruin the stem cells.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like, just don't worry about it.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_00: He did his one-year MRI and the cartilage was fully rebuilt.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_00: Even after he went and hiked a mountain four days after the treatment.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it hurt him, like he was in a lot of pain.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but sensitivity to uh injection.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but physically it didn't change the outcome.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, it's amazing.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I would imagine like what lumbar, spinal, cervical spine, like vertebrae, yeah, regeneration.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_00: I actually have actually have my MRIs for my lumbar spine.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and where I was four years ago, um, I've tripled my disk space in my L5S1.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_01: My gosh.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_00: That's cool.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_00: I was a full herniation directly out the back.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_00: So usually a herniation was sliding on one side or the other.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_00: Mine was like fully in the middle.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_00: And then I went to a top neurosurgeon, they were like, I I don't ever see this.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, I see maybe like one in 500 of these.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_00: And she's like, if you were older, I'd take you in for surgery right now.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, oh my gosh.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_00: And then since then, with stem cell procedures, I have gotten most of my disk space back and the daily limiting life factor is gone.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's amazing.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like my back will ache a little bit if I drive for hours.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_00: But whatever.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_00: What about your shoulder?
• 42:18
  SPEAKER_00: Shoulder.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_00: I actually um I actually did a few rounds of stem cells in the shoulder.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, unfortunately, um, I was part of our uh our testing group.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm always like, Doc is like patient zero, I'm like patient one, right?
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_00: So I test new products.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and about two or three of the things we tested didn't work very well.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and honestly, it was the um I think it was the combination of the PRP I did.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because I actually did a PRP that I knew worked.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_00: Do you even do PRP anymore?
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we do PRP.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I did PRP and then I actually did the exercises that that you showed me.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_00: And it it's working.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_00: Amazing.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like it it has not.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you look more muscular.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you've been working out?
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_01: We put some muscle on.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_01: Good.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, what that's super interesting.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, what what's the mechanism?
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like, so you're you're injecting placental tissue with um the stem cell live stem cells, yeah.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_00: With live stem cells, and those are donated from 18-year-old humans, like what they're um young, young females.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_00: So they're adipose derived.
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so it actually comes from fat.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so young, healthy females that pass all the screening, um, their only health problem is they're overweight.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_00: And so they go in for liposuction.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_00: And then tweet that.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_00: And the reason we use that, because there's a lot of talk about umbilical, right?
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_00: The reason we use that is if you look at the growth factor breakdown of adipose cells versus umbilical cells, and you can even ask like ChatGPT this.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like, the growth factors in adipose cells are highly favorable for joint regeneration.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like, it is the it.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: Gives you even more raw materials for chondrocytes for that cartilage.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_00: The an umbilical wood.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_01: And the the farm the compound pharmacy that you guys use, how do they they screen these people?
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: So it's it's pretty extensive screening.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's um it's blood work, it's testing, it's all the FDA screening as well.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_00: The FDA is like the minimum, right?
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_00: That's like the floor, and then we go above.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they also fill out surveys and you have to meet like all the criteria in order to get through.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, cool.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_00: And they have very stringent sterility and processing um requirements, so much so that like they've had batches that they just yeah, they're just like didn't make it.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's there's like$250,000 of stem cells we have to throw away.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's a bummer.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a that's a bummer.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the um, I remember you were mentioning like because other countries, right?
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_01: It was the thought it was like here and still talking to people, it's like, oh yeah, I gotta go to Germany or Panama, Costa Rica to get stem cells.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe you're describing before that like the there's a turnover growth of this actual stem cells before they're injected.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_01: And if they go over a three-time turnover, then like the effectiveness is decreased.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_00: That one's hotly debated.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_00: So um, not the turnover is hotly debated, it's the number of expansion cycles.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_00: So somewhere between four and seven is like the cap.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, if you go to like eight, ten, twelve, that's when you're increasing the risk.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's called mutagenic risk.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_00: So what are these things turning into?
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_00: What is the signaling gonna do?
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_00: Because we're just making it expand.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's basically like a stem cell foie gras.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_00: They're force feeding the goose, they're force feeding the stem cell to continue to replicate.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_00: And if you go to like Mexico, Panama, some of these places are doing 10, 20, 30 expansions.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_00: And like personally, I would not put any anything over eight, I would not put in my body.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_01: And where are you guys at?
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we're actually unexpanded.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_01: None.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's amazing.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_01: So it's a quick turnover, no pun.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's a quick receive and inject.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_01: So there are no there are no expansions.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, that's amazing.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_01: So it's literally the purest, most advantageous for musculoskeletal.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, what and this is the third generation of development of stem cell applications.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um we actually and each generation's improved.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_00: So it's a third generation of the placental tissue allographed.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, the way we combo them, I'm not sure if there's anybody else doing what we do.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we might be the only ones.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's amazing.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_00: What's uh what's next?
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_00: Next is teaser.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_00: Gen four.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there's there's two things I want to highlight that are next is but we're always iterating on our stem cell products um because we believe there's always like new science is coming out, we can always get a little better.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, our results are absolutely remarkable right now, but um, next is a product that we're iterating on, and uh it's basically going to be enhanced growth factors and a little bit more power um for musculoskeletal.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for musculoskeletal.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's uh it's not like I wouldn't say necessarily yet, because it's in development, it's gonna be a game changer.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's uh it's an incremental improvement.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there are some things that we're working on in the background that could potentially be a game changer.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_00: Cool, that's awesome.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_01: And then the uh so if somebody has you know the knee away, back pain, whatever, what would be the best protocol for that?
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so like testing for mold, heavy metals, the eboo stuff, like that blood work stuff would be part of it.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_01: And then stem cell injections.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_00: So I mean, I recommend like um stem cell injections have a healing arc, right?
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_00: So like if you want to get the healing going, you can start with those.
• 47:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um, because of the the lack of blood flow in those areas for the most part, detox is not really gonna negatively affect the stem cell injections.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, if you wanted to do it as like clean and pure as possible, like you would you would detox and then you would do the injections.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_00: But um rarely do we ever see that it ever causes any huge major benefit.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_01: Gotcha.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_01: Really cool.
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then stem cells also systemically for rheumatory arthritis, which is an inflammatory auto, it's an autoimmune.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_01: So EBU would help with that, I imagine.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, very much so.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_01: And systemic hide stem cells through an IV.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_00: So stem cells work a couple of different ways um systemically.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_00: So they work as signaling cells, so they'll find inflammation and they'll signal the body to go fix that.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_00: They also work um through paracon signaling, and so they will modulate the immune system to work more effectively.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, either raise or lower.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_00: And so some of these, some of these autoimmune conditions, it's not just like a it's not like a one and done, right?
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_00: You're not gonna get a stem cell injection, be like, I'm healed.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like you're probably gonna have to do some rounds and it's gonna be some incremental improvement as we go.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um stem cells.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um how many and how spaced out?
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_00: It really depends on the condition, the severity, and that kind of stuff.
• 49:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, the flip side is like if you're using it for optimization and longevity, you're probably like you're gonna feel it on one.
• 49:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you're gonna feel the benefits, um, especially like brain cognitive function.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_00: So, like we do the intranasal injections.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_00: So we'll go like right in the back of the nose and inject on both sides, and it rides the nerve up into the brain.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_00: And for TBI, um, for cognitive decline, brain fog, stuff like that, it's pretty, pretty impressive.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, that's cool.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_00: We had a we had a kid who came in and did um the intranasal injections, and he had bad TBI, like really bad, like to the point where his like personality was kind of gone.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, what happened?
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_00: Uh hockey.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_00: He's got a concussion.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_00: And uh he did the intranasals stacked with IV, and his personality started coming back to us like while he was in the chair before we left the office.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_00: How old is he?
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I think he was like 18, 17.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, yeah.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's amazing.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_01: What and how have you heard from him since?
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_01: Does it come back for another round, or were you it was like that was good?
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_00: I think he came back for a couple more rounds.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I believe he's in college now.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think his mother and his his principal will agree the only reason he graduated high school was those treatments.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so now he's in college and doing well, thriving.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_01: Amazing.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_01: So a stack of systemic IV stem cells, and that will also heat seek missile like target the pancreas or like right for like type 2 diabetes or type 1 diabetes, maybe for like if they're if a type 1 issue, um, liver, kidney, heart, all that stuff.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_00: So the organ-based treatments is where you want where you want to do the IVs.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so and then immune.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and immune.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so the eboo really helps with immune regulation.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_01: And step stem cell.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_01: So for autoimmune issues like MS, RA, that's gonna be super helpful.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so we always recommend the eboo before stem cells.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um cleans the system up, helps the immune system, primes it.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_00: So even injections, like even um like joint injections, stuff like that.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_00: We recommend you do an eboob because it's just it's best practice.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_00: Let's just get you super oxygenated, that's gonna help your healing.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna really be really much more receptive to the next injection.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um the um what other uh uh uh autoimmune issues can that help with?
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_01: RA, um, MS.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we see a lot of um like Hashimoto's thyroid.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, thyroid.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so like we can do a direct injection of the thyroid um with stem cells.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and originally it was pioneered with PRP, which showed pretty pretty cool results in just getting the antibodies down.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um and stem cells um just last longer than the PRP does.
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, like Hashimoto's well, stem cells are just superior to PRP.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_00: It it just is in just about every way.
• 52:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I I mean with patients ask, you know, I'm usually my answer's been don't even do PRP.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_01: If you can like just do the stem cells, you know.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_00: If you can afford it, do the stem cells.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, they're drastically more expensive than PRP.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um and PRP hurts more.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_00: It it does.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_00: It it hurts more.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_00: And then um, it also like no one's ever really I don't want to say no one, very few people fix their musculoskeletal issues with one round of PRP.
• 52:36
  SPEAKER_00: Usually need like three to five.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think that's been I mean, I don't really see well then again, people come to see us because they're still having an issue, but um yeah, I don't know.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_01: I it's just not something I would do.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, personally.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_00: We we have it, um, we offer it, to be honest with you.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, most of our patients offer the stem cells because it's like I most of them don't get want to get stabbed more than more than one time.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like just do this once, yeah.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, what about um spinal cord injury for stem cells?
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so um this is slightly outside my wheelhouse, but um, I believe Doc does um like cannula epidurals um for stem cells.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um and he'll also do like will that help regenerate like a spinal cord set?
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's getting into the theoretical.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um practically, we've seen great results on it.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um so it's kind of an area where like we need more data, yeah, to be honest with you.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um and I'll always flag when we just need more.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_00: Um also getting doc's opinion on the individual case, like because there are nuances to everything.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's like so you might have instability in these lumbar ligaments, um, and you might have instability here, but you also have this disc issue.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_00: And so if we treat these, maybe it'll give us the space for the spinal cord to actually regenerate and function like how it needs to.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then what about stroke?
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_00: Stroke, yeah.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_00: So we do um, I mean, you think about like what is a stroke?
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_00: Loss of blood flow to the brain tissue, essentially oxygen.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_00: So eBu.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_00: That's a great one.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna superoxygenate the body.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then yeah, stem cells can help potentially we do the intranasals, um, potentially help regenerate some of the brain function.
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like, have you had anybody come in?
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's like I had a stroke 10 years ago, and they have a droopy face, weakness on one arm.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_00: So we we see like people who historically have strokes, and they usually will do either the IV stem cells or the intranasal stem cells based on the phone.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_00: And do they like that they regain function?
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's sometimes hit or miss.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I wouldn't say that like regaining function would be a win.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_00: I would say measurable improvement.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like, okay, my speech is better, my face is better, my arm is better.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't say it's like like the next day I'm going weightlifting.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, playing basketball or something.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, it's it's just not that dramatic.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_01: I would imagine I'd be curious, like, if you know, within a 24-hour period of a stroke event, they've stabilized, right?
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_01: And then they're in the hospital, stem cell injections.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_01: Honestly, I wonder what would happen with that.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_01: Because I know there's a lot of neuroplasticity super early like that, you know.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_00: I'd I'd actually love to see some data on that and someone study it.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_00: Or uh because I don't think we've had that.
• 55:28
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think we've had a a patient that's been that recent.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's super rare.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, well, that's not the first thing that people, you know.
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_00: They're not like I had a stroke, I need IV stem cells.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_01: They don't even know.
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_01: And stem cells aren't even a thing, they don't, it's not knowledgeable in the community anyway, which you know, it's it sucks.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm like, why it not just like full send on you know federal um um benefit grants, you know, to like study and research this stuff.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that's what I would do.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like when if I had a stroke, I would be as soon as I got out of the hospital, I'd be doing this stem cells.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, same.
• 56:03
  SPEAKER_01: For sure.
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_01: Spinal cord injury, same thing.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, TBI, same thing.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, that's it's a bummer.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_00: What about like Parkinson's hunting and disease?
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_00: So um, we'll do the intranasals for that as well.
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um fortunately, it's it's kind of like a like a 50%.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_00: Um noticing a measurable improvement of some sort.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_00: So it's kind of a coin toss.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_00: It works with some people, it doesn't work with others.
• 56:26
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um it's one of those things that like, to be fair, that percentage is still vastly better than what most other things.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_01: I wonder if there's like, I mean, science fiction world where like a neurosurgeon could put a syringe in the necrotic tissue or the you know, the substantia nigra, right?
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_01: Brain ganglia, basal ganglia for Parkinson's and like inject stem cells and bathe it in in stem cells.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's probably above our capabilities.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_01: But that'd be super interesting.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting, you know, like would that, you know, what would happen?
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um cool, man.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's awesome.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um oh, last thing.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_01: Um, what do you not do?
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_01: The genetics?
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we don't do genome.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that like like really serious genetic based conditions um that we just don't have a great answer for.
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um so like you know the screenings that babies go through before they're born, they do the you know, the amniotic tissue sampling and they screen for the trisotomy, yeah, yeah, yeah, and other genetic abnormalities.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so stuff like that.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_01: Cystic fibrosis.
• 57:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so we don't really the big like genetic variation diseases we don't really get into too much.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_00: And and I want to say specifically the ones we know are genetics, not like genetics plays a component or could play a component, or the research tends to lean towards the genetic, but like, hey, here's this genetic abnormality that you have, this mutation, yeah, and it's probably terminal.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_00: Like, we don't have great answers for that.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_00: There are there are some really cool technologies coming out, like CRISPR, you can actually snip part of the genome and put a piece in, like with different coding and potentially delete the genetic abnormality.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we're probably 10 years out from seeing some of that that research on like terminal patients.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's a little scary because like the applications and like that gets in the wrong hands.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_00: And then what are people doing to mutate themselves?
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_00: And then like we also don't know everything that happens when you take out a part of the genome and substitute it with something else.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like changes your personality, like volatility, who knows?
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um, or I wonder if they're like the same kind of thought, but like an embryo, you know, or like a s an egg and a sperm, and then mutate those specific genes before they even meet.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_01: And then yeah, like I want blue eyes, I want 610, yeah, 350 pounds, you know, more density of type two muscle fibers, more precision that have no body fat percentage.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_00: It seems like science fiction, but to be honest with you, we're like not terribly far away.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_00: Far away from that, which is scary because like that's more of like an ethical debate.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, where do we draw the line on what it is our right as humans to be able to manipulate and what we should leave to higher powers?
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_00: Or yeah, exactly.
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_01: Or just and just like mental the genetic predisposition to have mental cogniz cognitive superiority, you know, just like super smart, I don't know, quick, yeah, all that stuff.
• 59:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it turns into like the Superman, you know, like Cal L.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_01: What's their planet?
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_01: They I forget the name of the planet, but they all are farming, you know, babies.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, like this batch of babies are gonna be farm workers, and this batch of babies are gonna be, you know, laborers and stuff like that.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, it's a bump, it'll be crazy.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_01: It would be crazy.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_00: So there's a lot of there's a lot of really deep like ethical arguments that need to be had with that.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_00: Right now, the science is really early days, like mouse models and stuff like that.
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_01: Hopefully 20, 30, 50 years, you know.
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um well, thank you for coming in.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um, super interesting conversations, and you know, we're always um chatting with patients and stuff about what how how y'all can help, you know.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_01: So it's I appreciate you coming in.
• 1:00:29
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• 1:00:32
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• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_00: The LCFL.
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_00: Longevity center, Florida.
• 1:00:39
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• 1:00:39
  SPEAKER_00: If you're in West Palm, that's where to go.
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_00: If you're not in West Palm, you can go to the LCOA, Longevity Centers of America.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, of America.
• 1:00:47
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• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but really what I tell people on podcasts is just go to our podcast, Longevity Unlocked.
• 1:00:53
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• 1:00:54
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• 1:00:56
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• 1:00:59
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• 1:01:01
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• 1:01:03
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• 1:01:07
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• 1:01:09
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• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_01: Well, if you all have any questions, comments, concerns, don't hesitate to reach out.
• 1:01:13
  SPEAKER_01: We'd we'd love to chat and at least, you know, if you have any musculosketal things that you feel like we can help with, we'd love to chat on the phone, at least give you some guidance and direction on what to do next.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, we'll catch y'all next time.