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Joe Rogan Experience _2426 - Cameron Hanes _ Adam Greentree(M4A_128K) · NO FILTER

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  Speaker 1: Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Check it out The Joe Regan Experience, Train My Day.
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  Speaker 3: Joe Rogan Podcast, by Night, All Day eight Live.
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  Speaker 2: Gentlemen, what's happening?
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  Speaker 4: What is going to see?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, good to see you guys again, Brothers. Yeah, we're
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  Speaker 2: just talking about the mountain Lion that we have in
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  Speaker 2: the lobby and how insane that thing is. So Adam,
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  Speaker 2: you shot that mountain lion when.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was about six or seven years ago now.
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  Speaker 2: And you ate it and I ate some of it.
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  Speaker 2: You sent something to me. It's really good. Believe it
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  Speaker 2: or not, Ladies and gentlemen.
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  Speaker 3: You wouldn't think so, but it's incredible.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody says it's like the way they describe it is
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  Speaker 2: like a I think Ronella said this a superior pork.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, it's like I think of it as a
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  Speaker 3: cross between venison and chicken. And then and I did
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  Speaker 3: it quick on the barbecue, and I'm not a great cook,
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  Speaker 3: but it was that tender and that tasty.
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  Speaker 2: But the story behind the mountain Lion's nuts like that
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  Speaker 2: was like a murderous mountain lion.
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  Speaker 3: It was. I felt a bit funny about it at
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  Speaker 3: the start with because like the dogs do all the hunting, right,
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  Speaker 3: the dogs smell that dogs find it, they put it
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  Speaker 3: up in a tree. But the further I looked into it,
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, well, you need the tree because you want
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  Speaker 3: to sex it and you want to age it, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you want to make sure it's a lion that's you know, old,
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  Speaker 3: and it has to be a male to shoot it
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  Speaker 3: in Colorado, or at least at the time, you had to anyway,
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  Speaker 3: So it was actually the perfect way to hunt. But
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  Speaker 3: then seeing how destructive that individual line was at least
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  Speaker 3: I was telling Cam about this when we got here,
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  Speaker 3: that it must have grabbed the cow like a beef cow,
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  Speaker 3: must have grabbed it on the neck, and the cow
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  Speaker 3: couldn't move, you know, but it was still fully alive
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  Speaker 3: internally and vocally. It was still alive. And when we
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  Speaker 3: got there, the mountain lion was like eating it from
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  Speaker 3: its rear in and it had been there for at
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  Speaker 3: least an hour or two, because there was quite a
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  Speaker 3: lot of meat that had been eaten out from the
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  Speaker 3: cow's ass and kicking its Yeah, and it's just but
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  Speaker 3: the cow couldn't get up, so it was it was
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  Speaker 3: literally eating it while it was still alive. And as
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  Speaker 3: the dogs are running down there. You could hear this
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  Speaker 3: cow off in the distance, just like screaming like millin,
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  Speaker 3: flat out, and you could tell something was wrong. The
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  Speaker 3: dogs got there, the line ran off. We end up
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  Speaker 3: calling the rancher in the rancher come out, put the
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  Speaker 3: cow out of its misery, still screaming on the ground
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  Speaker 3: right in front of me. I was, hey, I was
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  Speaker 3: teared up, like, you know, like I don't like suffering
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  Speaker 3: like the next person. So it was a very horrible moment.
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  Speaker 3: So then it was like now I'm into it, Like
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  Speaker 3: now I'm in defining this line.
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  Speaker 2: And it's like a werewolves loose in your town, you know,
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  Speaker 2: haven't it that? How much did that cat? Wait? By
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  Speaker 2: the way, I.
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  Speaker 3: Held it up for size and I could hold it
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  Speaker 3: for maybe thirty seconds and I literally couldn't hold it
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  Speaker 3: up anymore. And I was trying to show the size
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  Speaker 3: of you know, how big that line was. It looks
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  Speaker 3: like it's it's giant, so it's like.
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  Speaker 2: It would be on the pard.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a big animal.
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  Speaker 2: We were standing out in front of it, like, can't
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  Speaker 2: imagine if this thing jumped on here.
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  Speaker 3: It's a living monster.
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  Speaker 2: It is a monster. It's a real monster. And he's like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: they kill their animal, their prey first. No, they don't,
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  Speaker 2: just make sure it doesn't move anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, just whatever's don't just start eating whatever's good fading.
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  Speaker 4: It's on the We're the only thing that has compassion
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  Speaker 4: in the wild, you know, like they're putting out of
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  Speaker 4: the misery, like the rancher. Did you know that's one
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  Speaker 4: thing about Hunter's ranchers. We do appreciate life and death
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  Speaker 4: and there is a time where hey, let's put out
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  Speaker 4: of its misery. But it's a yeah, it's man is
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  Speaker 4: the only one who thinks about that. An animal they'll
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  Speaker 4: just start eating. They could care less about. They don't
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  Speaker 4: even know about pain really or being merciful or anything
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  Speaker 4: like that. It's just just what we do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. I always say, like the line in Africa, like
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  Speaker 3: it strives a zabra across the back end and the
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  Speaker 3: zabra gets to why and it's just got like blood
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  Speaker 3: pouring out of it and it's got these horrible wound
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  Speaker 3: that it's going to have to live with. That line
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  Speaker 3: has not lost any sleep over that ever. In life.
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  Speaker 3: It's not even a thought, you know, it's.
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  Speaker 2: Just fascinating that all these different creatures exist with us
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  Speaker 2: because we're so insulated for the most part, like most
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  Speaker 2: people are so insulated living in cities, traveling on buses
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  Speaker 2: and planes and cars, and never never seeing a thing
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  Speaker 2: like this in real life. And you realize, like at
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  Speaker 2: the same time where you're going to Starbucks and you
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  Speaker 2: know you're you're picking out the new iPhone, there's a
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  Speaker 2: lion running full speed at a herd of zebras right now,
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  Speaker 2: like right now in the world, there's a lion full
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  Speaker 2: speed at the zebra and it's going to tackle it,
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  Speaker 2: it's going to grab it by its face. And all
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  Speaker 2: these animals exist to keep each other in check. That's
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  Speaker 2: the real beauty of nature. And you really see it
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  Speaker 2: when we saw that. We were out yesterday, Cam and
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  Speaker 2: I were we're hunting for pigs and we saw feral
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  Speaker 2: cat make a pounce on a mouse like we were
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  Speaker 2: in the perfect It was one of the coolest things
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  Speaker 2: because even though it's a kitty cat, like a little
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  Speaker 2: tiny kitty cat, a little it was fluffy too. It's
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  Speaker 2: kind of cute. We watched a predator in the rare
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  Speaker 2: moment when you see him executing a kill. I mean
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  Speaker 2: it was only a feral cat, but it was still
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  Speaker 2: we saw we saw his little butt wiggle, we saw
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  Speaker 2: that thing that they do with they get and then
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  Speaker 2: up in the area like that. It was cool. It
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  Speaker 2: was so wild.
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  Speaker 4: And that's going on multiple places throughout on our planet
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  Speaker 4: right now, you know, right now, as you said, everywhere. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it's like if you could have like zoom in on
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  Speaker 4: a little camera all these little interactions a predator prey
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  Speaker 4: or I mean that's happening.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if you could see it all at once, Like
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  Speaker 2: if there was a camera on every single predator prey
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  Speaker 2: encounter simultaneously in the world and it was broadcast on
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  Speaker 2: a screen that was like seven hundred feet high, you
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  Speaker 2: would think, oh my god, we're at war. There's a
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  Speaker 2: war in the natural world. It's a constant war just
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  Speaker 2: cats alone. Have you ever seen the numbers of what
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  Speaker 2: feral cats alone, just house cats kill. It's literally in
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  Speaker 2: the billions in North America, billions every year NonStop. Can
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  Speaker 2: imagine how many rats there would be if the cats
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  Speaker 2: weren't out like it's all there's a balance to it all.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, these cats are killing everything, right, Imagine
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  Speaker 2: how many mice would be out there after wearing cats.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.
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  Speaker 2: It's all balance.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: That to Adam's point about his lion in Colorado, it's
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  Speaker 4: so managed that that that animal actually probably could have
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  Speaker 4: been killed off, like because it was killing livestock, you know.
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  Speaker 4: But when you kill an lion in Colorado, it's very detailed,
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  Speaker 4: very documented in tracked. It's like you can only take
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  Speaker 4: like in the unit I was hunting lion, I didn't
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  Speaker 4: kill one, but you could only kill thirty five in
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  Speaker 4: the year. And every time a lion comes in, they
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  Speaker 4: catalog it, check it, get it, you know, all the
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  Speaker 4: information in there, and then that's one of the thirty five.
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  Speaker 4: Once you reach thirty five quota, you're done.
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  Speaker 3: You're done.
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  Speaker 2: So let's put this in perspective because if that doesn't happen,
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  Speaker 2: and by the way, all that money goes back to
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  Speaker 2: the state, goes to game wardens. It helps everybody, helps conservation.
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  Speaker 2: If you don't have that, you know what you have.
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  Speaker 2: You have what's going on in Japan where Japan is
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  Speaker 2: having massive brown bear attacks. So just last year they
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  Speaker 2: had to kill I think it was one thousand. It's
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  Speaker 2: at least one thousand. I think it was more than
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  Speaker 2: one thousand bears last year, and this year is projected
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  Speaker 2: to be even higher than last year. So the bears
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  Speaker 2: at the fucking military has to go in and they're
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  Speaker 2: having a war on giant brown bears that.
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  Speaker 4: Are killing I don't know how many people already this year.
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  Speaker 2: A shit ton, Yeah, a shit ton. So let me
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  Speaker 2: put that into perplexity our sponsor, and how many people
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  Speaker 2: have been killed in Japan by grizzly bears. Well, they're
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  Speaker 2: not grizzly bears, but they're essentially the brown bear. Records
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  Speaker 2: of brown bear attacks in twenty twenty five, with at
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  Speaker 2: least thirteen fatalities and over two hundred injuries, Holy fuck,
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  Speaker 2: making it the deadliest year for bear attacks in recent history.
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  Speaker 2: Majority of fatal attacks have occurred in Hodo, Hokkaido, Hokkaido,
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  Speaker 2: where brown bears are more prevalent, and the number of
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  Speaker 2: attacks has prompted emergency responses, including the deployment of military
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  Speaker 2: personnel in some regions. Dude, I've been hearing people in
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  Speaker 2: Montana and people in Wyoming that have been saying we're
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  Speaker 2: seeing more brown bears than ever before. Guys are going
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  Speaker 2: on elk hunts and get it freaked out. And they
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  Speaker 2: have to delist these fucking things like they are totally fearless.
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  Speaker 2: They have never been hunted, so they have no fear
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  Speaker 2: of humans. How many guys have you heard where the
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  Speaker 2: gun goes off and the bear shows up after the
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  Speaker 2: gun goes off because it knows that the elk is
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  Speaker 2: down or the moose is down.
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  Speaker 3: At dinner, bell I flew into Japan had a period
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  Speaker 3: where the would let far in his hunt and it
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  Speaker 3: had to be a bow. And I was chasing seeker
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  Speaker 3: stags over there, and I had no idea that had
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  Speaker 3: a brown bear at all. And I was going through
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  Speaker 3: this big reedy area like you know, the reds are
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  Speaker 3: up above your head, and there was just a game
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  Speaker 3: trail going in there, like that the deer had been using.
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  Speaker 3: And as I was going through there, I could see
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  Speaker 3: that it would it was starting to open up a
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  Speaker 3: little bit more like a flattened out section maybe like
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  Speaker 3: where the deer had been bedded. And I got in
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  Speaker 3: there and there was a seeker deer just like the
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  Speaker 3: rib cage all chewed out, and it was just a
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  Speaker 3: big muddy clearing where this brown bear had got in
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  Speaker 3: there and just like rolled around with this carcass, but
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  Speaker 3: the prints in the mud were like that. I had
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  Speaker 3: no idea, Like, I had no idea there was even
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  Speaker 3: bears there. So what year is it. It'd have to
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  Speaker 3: be ten or eleven years ago now, but.
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  Speaker 2: Google was still around, right, Yeah, you didn't check, you
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  Speaker 2: didn't go ahea, what's in the area?
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  Speaker 3: Messaging that outfitter and being like, dude, there's bears here.
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  Speaker 2: Look at that bear.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And then he started telling me that that's some
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  Speaker 3: of the biggest brown bears there is. That's a big
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  Speaker 3: that's a big bear. But the police force, because I
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  Speaker 3: believe there was an unarmed police force at the time,
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  Speaker 3: they had an issue with a bear where it had
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  Speaker 3: killed two hunters there and he had to go in
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  Speaker 3: and shoot this bear. He had photos on a tractor
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  Speaker 3: and I don't do the gruesome photos, but he's just
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  Speaker 3: flicking through his phone and the next photo is a
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  Speaker 3: guy with his face missing from this brown bear attack,
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  Speaker 3: and another photo the bear when he went in the
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  Speaker 3: shoot the bear. The bear was in a stream, holding
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  Speaker 3: the guy down in the water, eating him in the water,
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  Speaker 3: and like, so, yeah, pretty gruesome. So it's pretty full on.
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  Speaker 3: But up until that point I never even knew there
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  Speaker 3: was a brown bear.
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  Speaker 2: In Japan before you go some police with a bow.
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  Speaker 3: That makes sense to.
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  Speaker 2: Search. You guys have the internet. Do you tell me
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  Speaker 2: some of the startling things going by their way?
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  Speaker 4: They're way behind and they just got the internet.
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  Speaker 2: This guy is a traveling bow hunter and he doesn't
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  Speaker 2: check to see if there's enormous master of the Oh,
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  Speaker 2: that's cute, that's cute. There's plenty of unknown out there,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you don't need to add to it.
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  Speaker 3: There's uh, it's all disappearing old nines disappearing because of
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  Speaker 3: the Internet.
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  Speaker 2: A little bit.
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  Speaker 4: Another layer to that Japan story is the reason why
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  Speaker 4: they have to deploy the military is because all the
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  Speaker 4: hunters are aging out. So there was hunters there, but
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  Speaker 4: because hunting is kind of like this dying than for
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  Speaker 4: this next generation, there's not enough hunters, so they have
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  Speaker 4: to get the military involved. Otherwise it would be hunters
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  Speaker 4: like you know, you going over there, and they've talked
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  Speaker 4: about like I mean, I know there's Americans who would
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  Speaker 4: volunteer to do it. But that's another part of it,
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  Speaker 4: is this next generation just isn't hunting.
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  Speaker 2: I have another question. Jamie put this into perplexity. Please,
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  Speaker 2: how many mountain lions were killed with depredation tags in
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty four in California? Because what I had read
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  Speaker 2: on a forum, so it has to be correct, because
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  Speaker 2: those guys are all experts. I had read that an
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  Speaker 2: equal number of mountain lions had been killed with depredation
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  Speaker 2: tags by like experts with dogs like to bring them in.
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  Speaker 2: Then if they had given tags out, So if they
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  Speaker 2: had given tags out and let people mountain lion hunt,
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  Speaker 2: you would have the exact same amount of mountain lions
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  Speaker 2: that they had to kill. And instead of that, you
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  Speaker 2: would have revenue paying the opposite right instead of paying
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  Speaker 2: and the collection of the right. California is not yet
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  Speaker 2: published a full twenty twenty five total, but the best
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  Speaker 2: available data as of a July twenty twenty five shows
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  Speaker 2: at least one hundred and sixty seven mountain lions reported
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  Speaker 2: taken under depredation permits in twenty twenty and one sixty
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  Speaker 2: six in twenty twenty two, with annual totals of over
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and recent years. So every year they have
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  Speaker 2: to kill at least one hundred mountain lions. Yeah, probably
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  Speaker 2: quite a bit more. It looks like sixty seven more,
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  Speaker 2: sixty six more.
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  Speaker 4: And I would say it's only went up since then.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, the thing is like they're doing nothing to
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  Speaker 2: curb the population. And this is the thing is like
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  Speaker 2: people go, oh, it's okay, let nature do its thing. No,
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't do its thing. It kills your dog. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: One of the things they found out in San Francisco
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  Speaker 2: in the Bay Area was when they do shoot these
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  Speaker 2: mountain lions, They've done an analysis of their diet. It's
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  Speaker 2: fifty percent dogs and cats. Wow, fifty percent of their
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  Speaker 2: diet is eating people's pets. So they're hunting people's pets.
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  Speaker 2: That means you are if you're a dog lover, you're
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  Speaker 2: allowing a monster to eat your dog because you think
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  Speaker 2: that's the right thing to do and to be kind
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  Speaker 2: with nature. He No, you have to hunt them. You
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  Speaker 2: have to get them the fuck away from you and
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  Speaker 2: keep a healthy population of them. And if you don't
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  Speaker 2: do that, it comes back to bite you in the dick.
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  Speaker 4: Here's here's one other search, Jamie. Can you see how
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  Speaker 4: many mountain lions were taken in Oregon legally, because that
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  Speaker 4: would be like Oregon's of course, just right north of California.
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  Speaker 4: Let's compare the legal harvest in a state that hunt
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  Speaker 4: We can't use dogs, but you can kill them when
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  Speaker 4: you see them, and you can buy a tag in
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  Speaker 4: the season.
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  Speaker 2: That's that it's very difficult to kill them, right if
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  Speaker 2: you can't use dogs the season.
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  Speaker 4: To do that, they have to have the season open
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  Speaker 4: all year and they just hope enough for getting killed,
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  Speaker 4: but then they still have to kill deprevate depredation.
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  Speaker 2: And is that a situation where you buy like a
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  Speaker 2: mountain lion tag, like just an extra tag, and you
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  Speaker 2: just have it just in case you run into one.
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  Speaker 2: So if you're out in the wilderness and you're hunting elk,
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  Speaker 2: but you have a mountain lion tag.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it. So we were hoping, you know, if
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  Speaker 4: you see one, basically I have a bear tag, lion tag,
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  Speaker 4: deer elk.
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  Speaker 2: It says Oregon kills far more cougars each year than California.
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  Speaker 2: But those Oregon numbers can come mainly from sport hunting,
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  Speaker 2: an agency control, not from depredation tags. Oh wait a minute,
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  Speaker 2: agency controls what we're looking at, not depredation. So what
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  Speaker 2: is the numbers here?
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  Speaker 3: The question?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's reward the question and ask how many were
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  Speaker 2: killed in California from agency control? Put that in there,
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  Speaker 2: how many mountain lions were killed in California through agency control?
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  Speaker 2: Because we were just looking at depredation tags, which is
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  Speaker 2: like what a hunter or excuse me, a farmer gets.
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  Speaker 4: So it says in Oregon that we could kill nine
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  Speaker 4: hundred and seventy, but that would they never kill that many?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, they did not publish a Queen State White tally
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  Speaker 2: labeled specifically as agency control mountain lion kills and current
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  Speaker 2: official tables group most lethal removals under depredation permits rather
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  Speaker 2: than separate agency control category. As a result, there's no
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  Speaker 2: single publicly available number that states how many mountain lions
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  Speaker 2: were killed through agency control alone. Let's just put this in.
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  Speaker 2: How many mountain lions were killed in California in twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty four, just period. Let's just ask that question. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I don't even know where we get this data.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know. It have to be fishing game twenty mm.
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  Speaker 2: Hm, that doesn't make any sense. Oh, so they're saying
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  Speaker 2: these figure, this figures do not include deaths from vehicle
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  Speaker 2: to but that's not true because they just said earlier
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  Speaker 2: that it was one hundred and okay, four.
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  Speaker 4: Nd and eighty depredation.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: Incidents and two hundred and twenty two depredation permits. Out
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: of those permits, fifty two authorized lethal take and twenty
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: mountain lines were actually reported as lethally taken on depredation permits.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: That's weird. This is totally different numbers than it was
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: given us before. So now it's only saying it was
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: fifty two authorized lethal ones.
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• 18:33
  Speaker 2: think it says oh, oh say okay. It says of
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: the permits, fifty two were authorized to kill them, so
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: it says lethal take, so it's authorized to kill them.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: And twenty were actually reported as lethally killed. So they're
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: saying it's only twenty It seems cood.
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: So but that is that's for like a ranch owner
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: to do the killing, okay, So they they say, hey,
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: this lion's been killing my calves four hundred and eighty times,
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: and two hundred and twenty two of those they say, okay,
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: go ahead and kill the lion.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Okay, right, So this is permits that were released rather
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: than the agency doing the depredation work.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: Right, So you would add this total to the other
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: number we have, right.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Because the depredation thing too, you got to think it's ranchers, right.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: So these guys are all out in the middle of nowhere.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: A lot of the depredations though that they might be
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: listing is what we were talking about with San Francisco
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: where they found that they're eating people's cats and dogs.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: So maybe they get depredations right. It's not like, but
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: you can't give it out to the fucking homeowner.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: Noo.
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: So you'll only give those tags out to ranchers.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: It seems like, yeah, to people that have livestock.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: This and the rest of the depredation is probably done
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: by some sort of a government guy.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they would call it. They would call it something
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: other than depredator.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Do you think he uses dogs? How do you think
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: they get him?
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: Or snare like an Oregon Wayne has done this where
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: people they're losing their goats, their calves, something like sheep,
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: something like that, and then they'll let you snare it
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: so you can go in there. You take pictures of
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: the animals that are killed, and.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: Another snaring is brutal.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, or trap trap, it's a foothold. Yeah.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: In Texas they treat them like coyotes. Yeah, you just
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: whack them.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Well, I think that's the way to go because I
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: think they're so hard to see. They're so hard to
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: find different politics.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: I've seen maybe two in all the hunting that I've done,
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: just naturally in the wall, and you would have say more,
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: but it's not a big number. They're out there, but
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: they're just so sneaky.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, they're so fucking sneaky. We saw one, I told
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: you the story. We saw the one in Utah with coldon. Yeah, yeah,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: a huge one like that one. He was like as
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: big as yours. It was fucking terrifying inside of a
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: car thirty yards away and I'm shipping my pants. Yeah
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: I'm not even Yeah, and we're armed, you know, and
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: we have bows, we have.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: You know the difference between Oregon and California and Texas,
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: you know, Texas being able to shoot them like coyotes.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: Is that's politics, you know? Yeah, of course the West
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: coast is liberal.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Well Utah changed it though, Utah has it now like coyotes.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: Perfect.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how it is. I think management behind it.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: I don't even know if you have to have a
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: tag in Utah anymore. Let's find out out put that
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: search in. Do you need a tag to get to
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: hunt mountain lion in Utah? Maybe they just give out
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: over the counter tax anybody wants them, and they're still
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: collecting revenue, which is ideal. That's the best way to
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: do it.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and if the numbers are great enough. Yeah.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but Texas doesn't even do that. They go now,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: we don't want to get involved. Just you go ahead
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: and shoot them, and it's a fucking monster in your backyard.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Business coming from someone who loves them. Yeah, I love them.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: I love They're amazing. Okay. Yes, you must have a
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: valid Utah hunting or combination hunting fishing license to hunt
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: mountain lions, but you do not need a separate cougar tag. Okay.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: So it is like a coyote.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: So it's year round harvest for license huners and you
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: just have to get it checked in after you kill
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: right d eight hours.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Which is also smart because they want to know what
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: it's needing.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: And that's how you do it. That's how you do it.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: Utah way to go.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Good job, that's the right way to do it. And
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: of course you should have a hunting license. Yeah, I
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: think you have to have one in Texas as well.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: Don't have anything this talking about this this, Actually that's.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Not true right now I'm thinking that.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: No.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: I think in Texas you don't even need a hunting
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: license to hunt exotics.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: No, not if they're on a private right.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: I think you just go hunt them.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, right, okay, talking about politics in different areas,
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: it reminds me of in BC, they outlawed grizzly hunting
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: and just just recently, maybe last week, you know, a
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: grizzly attacked a school group to.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Get rid of that.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: Do that. That's another thing. So where in the cities
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: who control a lot of the voting power of the
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: that's a province, but states here is that the city's
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: determinant and people living in the cities don't know what
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: the fuck's going on in the wilderness, so they vote.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: Oh I love lions. I love grizzly bear. I love wolves.
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: We need to have more of them. Meanwhile, the people
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: out in the mountains are actually dealing with this shit,
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: and so Vancouver, you know, we're talking BC specifically, Vancouver
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: pretty much makes the decisions for British Columbia. They said
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: no more grizzly hunting and now it's just, you know,
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: grizzly bear out of control.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Did you ever meet my friend Mike Cockridge.
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we went to dinner at That's after a fight once.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: That's right, one of those steakhouses in Vegas, right. Mike's
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: great and he and Ben O'Brien took me on a
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: moose hunt once and he was telling me that this
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: was before the grizzly bear band. He was like, there's
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: so many of them and he had to shoot one
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: from six feet away. One was breaking into a cabin
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: and he had to shoot it from six feet away too.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Like they're terrifying up there. Yea, they have so many
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: of them, and they have wolves everywhere. We stumbled on
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: a wolf kill we got there. You know, it was
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: probably a day old, I don't know, but it was
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: nothing but hair. That was the thing that shocked me
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: the moose calf and it was there was nothing but hair.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: That was what was weird. It's like I didn't and
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: it seems so much hair, Like the moose hair was everywhere,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: just everywhere. I thought it'd be like a dead animal,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: but it was just basically bones and there was like
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: a tiny bit of meat on corners of the bones
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: and hair everywhere. It was just like there just tearing
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: into this moose cap and coughing up hair. Yeah, I
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: didn't see one when I was up there, although I
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: think we did see one in the distance when we're
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: at John and Jen's place. We saw one with thought
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: it was a bear or we thought it was a
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: wolf run across the road. I was either with you
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: or I was with Ben. Yeah, I don't remember who
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: it was. But I've never seen a wolf in the wild,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: but real like absolute like look at him hotly.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they look at you in a certain way, oh,
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: bro Like. One of the first trips I ever did
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: the Canada was up in Northwest Territories and I actually
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: thought it was cariboo coming down the river, like just
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: the color of the wolves similar to a caribou. And
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: then I worked out that wolves and the guy that
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: I was with. He's like, that's a wolves and I'm like,
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: can I call him in?
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Oh God? And he's Adam Green Tree. What's wrong with it?
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: He's like yeah, And then I got up against the
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: tree and I just started doing like a call that
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: I do for like a fox or a wild dog
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: back in Australia, and this whole pack come in, wounded around.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: You'd never seen them come in. They were like up
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: in our vision up there, yeah, like a rabbit called
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: distress rabbit. And the next minute there was just like
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: they were fully surround the nest and just come in. Yeah,
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: it was freaking cool. But I just remember they could
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: fully see me at that point and they was still
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: just like looking through me, and I was like, yeah,
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: let's see.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Have you ever hear Dudley's story when Dudley Dudley and
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: some guy that he was with in BC I think
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: it was BC, pretty sure, or no, it was Alberta.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: They killed a I think it was a I think
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: it was an elk. But when they killed it, they
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: killed it essentially on top of where the wolve's den,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: like right there, and wolves started circling around them, and
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: the guide had like one round in his rifle and
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Dudley had like two arrows or three arrows left, and
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: they're surrounded by wolves and Dudley shot two of them
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: with a bow and arrow and the guide shot one
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: with a rifle. They shot three walls, three wolves. He said,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: there was like they were surrounding. He said it was
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: the freakiest fucking thing he's ever experienced.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: It wouldn't have been a great feeling.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: He told the story on the podcast, and it was
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: just it's like, fuck that man, you only have two bullets,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: you fucking asshole, Like what is wrong with you?
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Two bullets? One?
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Like what do you what? What the fuck are you doing? Man?
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: There killed a bull in New Mexico one year and
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: I killed it late in the afternoon. So we did
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: a pack out. This is just going back to the
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: Mountain lion story we took. We did a pack out
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: with meat, went back in in the dark with head torches,
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: and as we're walking in, I've seen a couple of
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: eyes or whatever, and it was just like dear mule
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: deer or something like that. And then I'm like, oh,
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: there's a deer up in front of us. And as
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: we got closer, the eyes were too high and it's
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: just like, nah, that's not a deer. And it was
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: a mountain lion up in the tree. Like, it was
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: right up in the tree. There was a kill there.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: That lion stayed in the tree while we grabbed more
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: meat and packed it out.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: You grab his meat, Yeah, the mountain lion's meat.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: Well, it was might kill and I.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Was going back in for it and just thinking it
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: was a set of deer eyes and as we're walking up,
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: the eyes were like up in the tree and that's like,
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: so I've only seen two, that's one of them. And
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: it was in the dark, and I swear if it
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: was daylight, I would have seen one of my whole
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: entire hunting.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Did you see Cam's brother's story on Instagram? Oh my god,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Cam's brother was running lead at night in Califora, at
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: night in California, And what should we play it? Did
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: we ever play it on the show? I think we made?
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Have we made?
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: Did?
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: I know you mentioned it?
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Fucking terrifying.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's ri I've never seen that in the stride.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: By the way, what's your brother's name again, Taylor? Taylor,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: It's like t Spike, Yeah, yeah.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: Taylor so it's uh, it's my stepdad and mom had
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: two kids, Taylor and Megan. Oh those are my brothers,
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: brother and sister.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: And then he does ultras too.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's he's actually really good.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah good. He seemed like one of them dudes. You
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: had to get it in. He had to get.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: It in his he Uh, he did a three hundred
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: mile race just last year. He got competing trying to
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: win the thing, of course, but got second. Wow, the
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: Arizona Monster three hundreds.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: God, so that hurts my hips and joints.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: That's the level he's at.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Three hundred miles, three miles. That makes it so much?
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Was you thinking about kiometers?
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: I thought you're an American? Now, didn't convert you.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: We were trying to teach you my lip for some reason.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: It's an American thing.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: You guys. It's probably illegal over there.
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: Probably they'll take it away government.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how's that working out?
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: You can you can do that, but you have to
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: wear a mask.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: Did you find Taylor's video?
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: It's I think it's on his Instagram.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah it is, it's definitely. Did I send it to
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: you at one point time?
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Maybe you talking about it?
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: It's unless he took it down. I don't think he
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: took it down. What is his Instagram handle?
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: It's tea Spike something like that, Ta Spike something.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: I'll find it.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Bok, three hundred miles.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Coming in second place in three hundred miles is But meanwhile,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: how much difference was there between him and number one?
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: I think a couple hours probably.
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Oh god, that's inside god.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: But it took up. Oh god, I think he did
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: it in eighty eight hours.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: That is nuts.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: It's a serious effort.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: That is a serious effort.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: There's some there's some freaks out there, for sure.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: I'll do it one day.
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: He's one of them.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Are you gonna do it one day?
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: For real?
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Spike two?
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: A couple of.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: What, Jamie, I don't know where the video is, Okay,
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: I'll find it. I'll find it. Yeah, he's Oh, it's
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: me talking about it. That's fun.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: Oh, he must have re shared that or something.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Here it is. I found it right away. Which it's
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: just his face. When you see his face staring at
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: the camera, it's his line. Oh you got it? Okay,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: it's his line. Update. Yeah, this is it. Give me
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: some volume.
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: Restless night of this reoccurring dream of these green eyes
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: hot on my tail. I was coming down the trail
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: last night, just after dark, and I see these green
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: eyes off to the side of the trail, I mean,
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: right on the side of the trail. When I thought
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: was a coyote, I just kind of yelled, and then
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: when it stood up, I realized it was a fucking
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: mountain lion. I took off running as hard as I could,
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: and I looked over my shoulder and it was right
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: behind me. I ran for probably one hundred yards and
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: realized it wasn't given up, and I turned around and
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: I kicked rocks, and I jumped up and down and
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: I screamed at the top of my lungs, and this
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: thing did not care. I did that a few times,
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: to the point that at one point I stop, I'm
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: just gonna lay down here and die because I'm not
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: going to outrun this fucking thing. Another time, it got
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: really close to me, and I thought I had no
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: choice but to try to scare it. And I turned
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: and I screamed, and I kicked rocks. I mean to
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: the point it was, I mean, it was right right there,
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: and I finally decided, well, you just got to run,
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: run for your fucking life. I've done some crazy shit
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: in my life. I've been pretty scared, but this, this
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: was next level. This was next level. It terrified me.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 31:37
  Speaker 6: I think maybe if I'd had a gun, I could
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: have done something pepper spray. I don't think that it
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: was so close that I would have probably pepper sprayed myself,
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: So I don't know. I was a half mile from
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: the city in Lake Forest, California. I mean, like straight up,
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: I can hear dogs barking, and at one point I
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: thought maybe that's what it detoured it, but didn't care.
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: So this morning, I'm gonna ride.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: The bike, probably won't go back out there in the dark.
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: I did weigh you're off for the Sheriff's department and
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: fishing game, because there was other hikers on the trail
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: that were above me that would have had to have
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: come down, and I just don't know how other people
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: would have responded. Like I said, I've done some scary shit.
• 32:27
  Speaker 6: I've been in the woods my whole life, but this
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: this was next level. It was terrifying, But I'm all
• 32:32
  Speaker 6: good back at it, right. I guess if this only
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: happens one time in your life. I got it out
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: of the way. I'm a lucky fucker. Have goodell, keep at.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: It doesn't work like that.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, wild that is the consequences of letting monsters live
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: in your neighborhood. Yeah, that's real. And all these wilderness
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: loving people like I guarantee you you're not out there
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: as much as that guy is to you and not
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: there as much as you are you are. That's the
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: difference between people that really understand what we're talking about
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: and people that are looking at this from this knee
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: jerk love and compassion for nature perspective.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Well, back to what Cam said, it's like the majority
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: of the votes of people that don't get in that environment,
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: you know. And it's not just about hunting. That's for
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: farmers anywhere as well. There's people in the city that
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: are making votes for people that live in the country
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: and the lifestyle is completely different, and.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: They don't understand what they're talking about, especially the BC band,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Like we're going to band trophy hunting. Trophy hunting's bad, no,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: but what about monster control? Isn't that good? I'm on
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: fucking team people. Okay, I love animals, but I am
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: on team people.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: Imagine if they knew how soft we were. They don't
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: have to spit out hair. Like the flesh is right here,
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: it's soft. It's so easy to get away.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: Because they usually go in at the stomach, you know,
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: or it's like our stomach, how soft, and it's right
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: right to the good stuff. And it's like, I don't
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: think people like even a dog can turn into like
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: I killed a buck, you know, before we went on
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: that last time, I killed a buck and like for
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: the treat for the dog, you cut off the nuts.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: Give them the nuts. So it's got hide on it,
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: it's got the bucks nuts. Basically dog takes off. You're
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: just like ripping into it. It's like delicacy, right. That's
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: just a normal dog. So a lion who's born and
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: bred to kill. I mean, that's just the level of
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: what animals do.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Your liver is a ribi and they haven't eat in
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: a week. You're like, oh, baby, look at that liver.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: It's right there.
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And those the dogs there that that deer camp,
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: you give them like a part of the I don't know,
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: there's some skin. It's not the flank stak, but it's
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: just some skin there that sometimes you cut off that
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: goes over the stomach and h run off eat that
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: eat pounds and pounds of meat a regular dog, So
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: a lion, yeah, they'll eat. What they do is they
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: just eat as much meat as they can and they
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: just kind of lay around. So that's the time to
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: actually run from a lion is after a big meal,
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean, because their stomachs are full
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: of meat. Maybe that's why Taylor, maybe that lion that
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: chased him had just killed a deer and was full
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: of protein. But you know, they still hunt. This's what
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: they do. It's their instinct. But sometimes you can time
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: it right and maybe that's saves your life.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jesus, that's not a risk we should be taken.
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: Now.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: This is it's like they're so hard to find. People
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: don't understand you're not going to put a dent in
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: their population. This is not like any other It's not
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: like deer. You can deep populate a deer like an
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: environment of deer. If you went crazy and hunted them
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: all and you said, what's eradicate all the deer, every hunter.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: You can shoot as many deer as you want. Just
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: let's go do it right now, you can get rid
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: of all the deer. You ain't ever doing that with cats.
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: Now, even in Australia. With buffalo, you can fly and
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: eliminate a lot of stuff pigs here, deer, buffalo down there,
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: the water buffalo. But you're not doing helicopter killing of lions.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can do wolves, the wolves no lower wolf populations,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: and they do, they do in some parts of the world.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: They do in Alaska, right, Yeah, they do wolf kills
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: from helicopters.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and yeah, I mean, lions are just tough. But
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: I did I didn't even realize this. But Oregon, as
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: we're looking at those numbers that Jamie pulled up Oregon,
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: the goal is nine hundred and seventy lions a year,
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: but we never get to it. So what that means
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: is we're not meeting our objective of lion kills. That
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: means there's more and more lions every year.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Don't They factor that into the amount of tags they
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: give though, that there's going to be a limited amount
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: of success, so they'll give more tags than there will
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: be like than they actually need to kill.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: For lions or for lions to do that. Oh yeah,
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not sure how they do it. It's
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: supposed to be like a balance, you know, I mean
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: if if, but the what happens is not enough lions
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: are getting killed, so there's too many lions. So that
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: means the lions are killing too many deer. No, because
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: there's the lion number is too high, right, And that's
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: what's kind of happening. There's areas in Oregon that were
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: great hunting at one time that are terrible now.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Well here's the perfect example where I used to live
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: in California. You guys have been in my house. A
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: lot of land, a lot of woods, a lot of like,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of like wildlife out there. Good luck
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: finding a deer. You might find two three in a month.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: In a month, I see deer every fucking day out here.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: I see them every day. You know why. No mountain
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: lions and you could shoot them. California has a mountain
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: lion problem, Like it's a real problem. The Place to
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Home Ranch, that place, they had a camera out in
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: front of one of their ponds and they got sixteen
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: different mountain lions. I don't camera sixteen.
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and what the people in LA that they have
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: no idea what's going on, but they're voting, right, that's
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: who controls, and so.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're vote well, they're and they're good people, and
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: I would have voted with them, right, Okay, if I
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: had never been hunting and never been in the woods,
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: I would have voted with them. Maybe not, maybe not,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: because I'm a little fucking skeptical of people's wisdom, and
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: I probably would have looked into it a little bit
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: and thought about what it would be like to get
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: eaten by a mountain lion and go, fuck, what are you?
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: What the fuck are we talking about? Kill these goddamn things.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: You're fucking crazy. Don't kill them all. You don't have
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: to kill them all. They're going to exist in the
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: woods where they're supposed to be. They're not supposed to
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: be in Pasadena, right, Okay, they're not supposed to be
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: wandering around the fucking Hollywood hills like that one that
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: I have the big picture of. That one's crazy lion.
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: That picture is insane, insane.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: The Hollywood sign behind him and he's wearing a collar.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: That picture to me and bodies like everything that's wrong
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: with California. Like you know where he is, and he's
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: in the neighborhood where people live, and you just put
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: a collar on him, so you could rock them when
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: he's fucking killing dogs, Like, what what are you saying?
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: You know, many look at that photo.
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: That's one of the most amazing photos ever ever taken.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: When as soon as I saw the photo, I'm like,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: oh my god, we have to buy a print. What
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: do you think ordered it from the photographer? What is
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: he thinking? What am I going to kill next?
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: That's right above where Heuberman used to live.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Oh dude, it's right there by the way. That's like
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: we filmed Fear Factor out there a punch of times. Yeah,
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: look at that fuckery. Oh my god, look at his face.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: I'm just wandering into that. The thing is so big.
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: How sick of a photo?
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Is that amazing?
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: And it's all camera traps.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So but here's what's so critical. And you know, hunters,
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: we can be our own worst enemies. But part of
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: what discussions like this and talking about how it actually
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: works is so important. It's not for other hunters. It's
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: for people who don't hunt, who do vote. You know,
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: It's like, hey, let's let's just educate people who don't understand.
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: It's not it's not your fault. You don't understand. You
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: haven't hunted your whole life. That's okay, But just listen
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: to what we're saying and just say, like, hey, when
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: that vote comes up and it's like we're talking about,
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: you know, being able to hunt lions with dogs or
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: or black bear with bait, let's think about, Hey, there's
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: repercussions if we don't allow this.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: You know they don't just don't know what it is
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: that sounds cruel lions with dogs, like, oh, that's not
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: even fair. You want to hunt it with a spear
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: if you want to hunt it like we used to
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: hunt them, hunted with a spear.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: Bare hands is what kill with your hands?
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: That's the dumbest argument. That's the dumbest. How do you
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: think we got to the point where we don't have fangs?
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: You fucking don't and this god, there, we evolved past
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: that because we figured out weapons, okay, and that's why
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: we the cities.
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: Never killed shit with their hands, had a fucking wooden spear.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: So what are you talking about? Bare hands?
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: The dumbest fucking argument of all time. And people that
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: don't understand the we would have never had civilization if
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: we didn't do that exactly, and the w couldn't exist.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: The conversation doesn't come from a want perspective from me.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: I've got no desire to hunt a mountain lion again.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: I don't, but as someone that's in the know, because
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: I have before, you know, and I wanted to educate
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: myself prior to that hunt. I was doing as much
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: reading as I could to find out. Do I feel
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: good about this is?
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: So it's not like I want them still on the
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: list to hunt because I want to go and do
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: it again. I don't have a desire to do that
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: again myself, but I do see that it's good management,
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: you know, and instead of instead of them being culd
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: and not utilized, you know, and it's actually costing money.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: You know, there's money going into conservation at that point
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: from the hunter and the meat utilized, you know. And
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: as you mentioned in that case, I gave that meat
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: to a lot of people because I wanted people to
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: see it as a food source as well, you know,
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: because you do you sort of think of a mountain lion,
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: You're like, Eh, the meat was amazing, some of the
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: most incredible meat I've ever had.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, even if so just say they didn't require
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: you to take the meat and you didn't and you
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: didn't eat it. Still they need to be killed there.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: It's all those to it. Just to make the deer
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: and elk population is to make a work I could
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: has to work because humans. People will always say, well, mother,
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: natu will take care of itself. It's like no humans
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: have encroach on this habitat. That's why we need to
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: control this. This isn't like the wide open West that
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: it once was where yeah, maybe it would work out eventually,
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: it's not going to work out.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: They were here first.
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: They were here part Adam. You know, he said he's
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: killed one, he doesn't plan on killing another. I've never
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: killed one. I've never killed a lion in my entire life,
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: but I know it's important. So it's not like I'm
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: this big lion hunter that I just have this passion
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: for doing and I want to kill as many as possible.
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: Never even killed one, but I know that we have
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: to kill him. And in Colorado there that's one thing.
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: You know, you talk about sex and the animal up
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: up in the tree because you can see what it is.
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: Male female.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: You don't.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: When I hunted them, I did them. I didn't kill
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: but you could kill any lion essentially if it didn't
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: have you know, it couldn't be a female with cubs,
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: but uh or kittens. But you look at them in
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: the tree and you can decide, oh, that's a female,
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: probably not the best to kill. Let's kill an old
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: male because it's just that's how it just works better
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: that way, taking old males out. And but you can
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: do that, and same thing with baiting bear. A bear
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: comes in, a bear is really tough to tell whether
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: it's a boar or south it's male or female for
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: those that don't know. But at a debate, when you're
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: looking very closely, you can see that's an old male.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: That's what I want to take. So that's why that's
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: why there's it's not just random like I'm rifle hunting.
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: Is four hundred yards away running and you kill like
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: a bear and it has has cubs. You didn't realize
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: I had cubs because the cubs are in a tree
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: somewhere that the south left. So that's where baiting is
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: actually the best way to manage these numbers. And it
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: might seem like, oh, you just throw out donuts and
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: this and that and the bear comes in. I mean, yeah,
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: you could turn all like that, or you could say, no,
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: we're targeting the right animal all to make this work
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: the best best way can.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Well, people need to understand that wildlife biologists and the
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: numbers that they put up and the rules that they apply,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: especially the rational rules, like that they exist because it's
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: the only effective way to hunt these things. Like you
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: don't use dogs to hunt elk, you know what I'm saying.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: It's like they because it doesn't seem right, right, There's
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: there's one effective way to get these mountain lions, and
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: you got to treat them, you know, if you don't,
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: if you don't have that option and you're bow hunting,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: you have to stumble upon one. And they're not gonna
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: they're gonna know you're coming forever before you know. They're
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: there forever, hundreds of yards away. They're gonna smell you,
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: they'll hear something, they'll turn and look at it. They
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: have amazing eyesight, you know, like you're you're not finding them,
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: and if you want to keep the populations in check,
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: there's like California's got a bear problem too, and part
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: of their bear problem is, you know, you can't use
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: dogs anymore. Yeah, And that was the only way they
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: could really control populations in a lot of these places.
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: Dogs are bait or baiting. Hey, Jamie, I got another project.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: So Cam canaday you start spelled with a K. He
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: was as we were talking about, he had a deer tagg.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: He's deer hunting this in an Oregon. That's what you do.
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: You just buy a bear and a lion tag just
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: to have with you. But he killed this giant lion.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: He was deer hunting. This lion came up, sat on
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: this rock forty yards away and he's just like, I
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: got a lion tag, perfect boom, got put a perfect
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: arrow in this giant lion. But look at this thing.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: And he's a big he paid a he played for
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: the Steelers for like six years in the NFL. And yeah,
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: so that was just like a happen chance. That's how
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: you get him an Oregon because you can't use dogs,
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: you can't do anything else. So that lion just just
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: jumped up there and he made a perfect shot on it.
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: That's crazy. But look at that big thing. God, yeah,
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: pretty nuts. And like I said, Cam's like six', FOUR
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: i don't know.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Two you see the One Derek wolf.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: Killed, yeah that was a giant one.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Too giant so Did. Derek wolf's story is a great
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: one too because he took so much heat online about.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: It people are so angry in him that he did,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: that and it's just people that don't understand why it's. Necessary,
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: look and first of, all if you Know, Derek derek's
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: a fucking Legit, viking he's a Legit. Viking that guy's
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: a giant human. Being so for him to be holding
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: is there another picture we see like the full that's,
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: it there's the full. Length look at the size of
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: that fucking.
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: Thing.
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah so you AND i don't know what the numbers,
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: are but you think a lion, kills especially a lion that,
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: big has to basically kill a deer every, week, Right
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: so that's three hundred and sixty five deer a year
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: that thing is, killed or, no fift deer a, year
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: but imagine.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: A deer every. Day, no but do you know the wolf?
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Thing they say lions are killing more deer now than
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: ever in places where there's wolves because the wolves lying
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: off the. Kill they steal them all the, time so
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: the lions just give up and they go kill another.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: One they can kill way easier than the deer. Can
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: they're way more effective.
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: Killers so think about, so say fifty lion or fifty
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: deer a year for each, lion how many lays are
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: In COLORADO. Wt you, know that's a lot of fucking
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: deer or elk calves or something's being.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: Killed australia's got a real bad problem with shark population.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: Now and it's, like And i'm taking it there because
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: what's happening, is for like a really good eating, fish
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: like a red, emperor you'll only get like five red.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: Emperor that's your quota for the. Day you can only catch.
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: Five and what the sharks are doing now is you'll
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: hook a Red emperor and the sharks will just take
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: it off the. Line so you don't have a Red
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: emperor in the boat. Anymore but one's dead because the
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: shark's got. It so you keep. Fishing and then so
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: now the red emperor numbers are declining because sharks that's
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: their like their favorite fish to jump to grab off a.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: Line you can catch a, cod you'll get it to
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: the boat because the sharks aren't going for. It but
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: if it's a red, fish the sharks have taken it.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: Constantly and then so what's happened is because there's been
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: a band on shark, fishing shark numbers have gotten out of.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: Control so Now Red emperor numbers have plummeted because the
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: sharks are just eating. Them cons how.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Many people In australia could kill their sharks every.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: Year there's been a few this year. Already. YEAH i
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: actually just HAD i had my girlfriend out a couple
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: of maybe a month or two, ago AND i took
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: her at this beautiful beach and it was it was.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: Awesome as soon as we got. There there's dolphins jumping
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: out of the water and. Whatnot, anyway we never went
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: for a, swim just because of how the conditions. Were
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: and a week later a lady was taken from that
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: beach and her partner may have died as. WELL i
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: didn't follow up on the, story but a partner got
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: attacked as, well but got out of the. Water and
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: it's great, whites mostly on The east. Coast they seem
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: to be running pretty rampant at the. Moment the bleeding
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: hearts that are making the.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Four confirmed fatal shark attacks in twenty twenty five so,
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: far with some trackers listing four or five deaths depending
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: on how many incidents are or how incidents are. Classified
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: but think about how much less people are out there
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: in the water.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Though oh, yeah oh, yeah that's the.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Thing it's, like people, go there's only four sharka talks a, year,
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: right but how many people are in the. Water, yeah
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: out of five hundred, people it's not a lot of
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: people in the water swimming out a way. Too oh,
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: yeah good, lord it's an absolute monster of the.
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: Ocean oh, yeah isn't it weird to think?
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: That?
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: UH i, mean most society doesn't know anything about the
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: wild these, days you. KNOW i mean we're. Domesticated, yeah
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: so it's but even LIKE i don't, KNOW i always say,
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: THAT i, mean we talked about. This i'm pretty sure
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: BECAUSE i talked about it all the. Time but LIKE
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: i always think that, society like this regular life here is.
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: Fake it's like it's not even not even. Real it's
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: not even how humans we're designed to live and survive
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: where the wild is actually where that's, how that's what
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: we're designed to, do live in the mountains or hunt
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: and survive things like, That and so the fake, LIFE
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: i don't, know it's just crazy to me to think about.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: That the fake life is what we think of as h.
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: Is a real, life and it's not it's not. Real
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: it's like what we're. Doing, yeah it's just we're.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: Real, yeah we're made to live in a society that's
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: not by, mine on your, design, right you. Know and
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: it's sort of like and that's HOW i always feel
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: out of it in society BECAUSE i just feel like
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: it's not for. Me but it. Is it's here and
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: we've got to live in. IT i do like going
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: the waste of the wells and getting a good. Injection
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: so BUT i just want to go WHEN i want to.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: Go that's the way to do. It attack it from the.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Outside, yeah go, in go to a nice restaurant and
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: get back out to the country and just. Relax it's
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: better for. People did you ever see that the old
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: days of, vice when vice used to do really cool,
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: stuff That vice guy to. Travel and there's this one
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: guy who lives in The Arctic. Circle and this dude
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: is he's been there since the nineteen. Seventies he got
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: a job up there and got permitted where he's like
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: grandfathered into allowed to live in a small cabin up.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: There like the last guy. There he has like a
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: permit on his. Door and this guy's been living up
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: there ever since he saw nine to eleven in a,
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: photograph like a year after it. HAPPENED i had no
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: idea what was going. On very smart, guy like, intelligent
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: interesting guy and lives up there with his wife and
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: all he does is hunt caribou and fish and he
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: talks about, it and he's, like this is how people
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: are supposed to, Live like when he's, not like he's
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: a very intelligent, guy so like when he's talking about
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: he's talking from like an internal, Programming like this is
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: like this feeling that you get living like this is
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: how people are supposed to. Live and when you live like,
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: this you're very fulfilled and it feels no, normal whereas
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: most people don't feel. Normal most people are. Depressed they have.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: Anxiety they're worried about their, career they're worried about all
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: this stuff that is like human. Created they're worried about
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: their social, status whether they're ostracized from the neighborhood or
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: people like them anymore because they're political beliefs or whatever
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: the fuck it. Is there's none of that out. There
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: there's none of that because it's the way we were.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Designed but if we want all the things that we,
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: enjoy like fucking starlink and cell, phones like you have
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: to have this weird fake world that we've, created the
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: human created. World but it's not conducive to like a healthy.
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Mindset for most, people it's not. Normal and so all
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: THE i have this thought about why exercise is so
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: important for people's mental health BECAUSE i think at the very,
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: least what it does is it gives, you like the
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: physical exertion that your body, requires BUT i think your
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: body requires a connect as, well and that's what we're.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: Missing we're missing the natural world. Connection and you can
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: get some of that out of the physical. Exercise you
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: can get some of that out of like. Doing but
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: your body's literally designed to have to move and to
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: complete tasks in order to. Survive and that task could
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: be like that guy out there hunting, caribou building a, house,
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: surviving like making a, homestead growing a. Garden like this
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: is a normal way we, are but we're moving into
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: this abnormal. Way you, know along the, way people are
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: losing their fucking. Marbles everyone's. Crazy no one knows what
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: a woman is. Anymore like everyone literally out of their
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: fucking mind out of their. Mind if the left wind
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: the democracy were fucked the right, wind we're all gonna
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Be nazis and it's just. Chaos, Yeah and none of
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: it is. Normal none of it is. Natural and the
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: reason why it's so incompatible with most people is because
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: we're not designed for.
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: IT i feel. It i'm Not cam's the, same but
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: like it's just like time doing those things that are
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: usually in a quieter, environment in a more natural, Environment
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: LIKE i mentally feel better every, time and THEN i
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: almost feel myself slipping WHEN i come back to the,
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: city you, know and it's just like you sort of
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: start letting your guard. Down you just slip back into
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: it and you're, like this Is i'm not enjoying. This
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: and then you go back out hunting for us or
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: camping or whatever it. Is and THEN i. DO i feel.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: REVITALIZED i feel healthier mentally and PHYSICALLY i feel. Healthier
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: and then but adding all the other things to, it you,
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: know like you talk about like you, know, exercise and,
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: yeah it does touch on, it AND i think all
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: those little things, help but to really get out in
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: fresh air is the big one for, me where it's
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: JUST i DO i feel more flow.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: STRAIGHT i wonder If i'm sure neat like primitive man
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: felt emotions for. Sure but do you think they've felt?
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: Depressed, NO i MEAN i.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: Think you know WHAT i.
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: MEAN i feel like they were too.
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: BUSY i think they.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: SURVIVE i think.
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: PEOPLE i think this part of this fake society is
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: like are you? Happy are you? Happy it's like? Happy
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: what the fuck is? HAPPY i want to be useful out.
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: THERE i want to do. Something i'm not happy, Set
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: i'm nothing.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: Or what is? Happy don't? Content i'm content just being?
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: RIGHT i need?
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: Content just Being, yeah.
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: When you're in there in the mountains carrying your, bow, glassing, looking, drinking,
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: eating looking for placed to, sleep what is? That that's
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: WHAT i? WANT i don't know what's. HAPPEN i don't
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: know what it. Is but that's like, Purpose LIKE i
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: have a. Purpose i'm trying to kill something that is that?
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Happy you're trying to find? Food to?
• 55:42
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• 55:45
  Speaker 4: i see people they laugh and they're fucking around sometimes
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: as it's alcohol induced or drug induced or is like
• 55:52
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• 55:55
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• 55:57
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  Speaker 2: Offer, well there's different kinds of, happiness, Right happiness you
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  Speaker 2: get on a fun. Date you. Know there's happiness you
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  Speaker 2: get when you you, know you do fun stupid shit
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: like you go play like sandbox, games you pretend you're
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  Speaker 2: shooting zombies WITH. Vr that's, happy it's, fun it's. Silly
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: you get. It, yeah out of, it everyone has a.
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: Smile you had a good, time that was. Wild that's happy.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: Too there's a bunch of different kinds of, happy some
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: of it we've. Created but there's content like are you?
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: Content like are you enjoying your? Existence? Yeah AND i
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: think that's a real struggle for a lot of, people
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: right because there's a giant percentage of the people that
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: are listening to this right now that are forced to
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: do something they don't enjoy doing most of the, time
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: most of the, time most of their, day they're doing
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: something they don't enjoy doing because they have to do
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: it in order to do the things that they do.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: Enjoy so if you want to go on, vacation you
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: got to make enough money to ford the trip To.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: Hawaii if you want to do, this you gotta do.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: That if you want to do, this you gotta do.
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: That so you're just walking into some stupid cubicle punching,
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: keys just planning all the fun stuff you're going to
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: do with the money that you make doing this thing
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: you hate.
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: Doing it's pretty.
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: Nut it is pretty. Nuts i've Never i've never felt
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: happy in, That that's What i'm. SAYING i think to
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: get to some, way sometimes you have to be. Unhappy
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: that's true. Too and the person to be commenting on,
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: this because you're, extreme you're never going to be happy
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: because you're going to continue to chase bigger and. Better,
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: yeah that's why that's. AWESOME i don't.
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: KNOW i, mean AND i mentioned this, Before i'm happiest
• 58:52
  Speaker 4: When i'm.
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: Suffering, yeah that's.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: Ridiculous, no but like it doesn't feel like madam AN
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: i we just looked at each. Other is crazy.
• 59:01
  Speaker 4: Because When i'm suffering is Because i'm doing something that
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: matters to, Me, Right, yeah.
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: You like that and you know what's on the other side.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: That, yeah you've sort of programmed yourself to be like that.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: Too you, know this is like similar To, Goggins. Right
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: coggins always wants people to know that he wasn't always like,
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: this that he used to be fat and, lazy and
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: he shows pictures of himself at three hundred. Pounds he
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: always talks about. It you, know it's like it's like
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: this ISN'T i wasn't born like, This LIKE i turn
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: myself into. This AND i think one of the reasons
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: why you've been able to struggle so much as you've
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: figured out a way to enjoy. Struggle and a lot
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: of people avoid struggle at all. Costs they want the. Couch,
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: OH i want to. Relax it's cold. OUT i want
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: to get in that fucking cold. Plunge are you? Crazy
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: what's wrong with? You you?
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: KNOW i love struggle because you know what's on the other, Side,
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: yeah the.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: Grid i've done.
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: It so it's like once you've done, that AND i
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: think that's where a lot of people. Struggle if they,
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: quit well they don't get to the other. Side then
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: you don't know the reward on.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: It, well you just said it's. Perfect that's why they
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: struggle because they don't. Struggle it's like the thing you're
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: avoiding is causing you to have the exact same. Thing
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: it's just you're getting a slow dose of that poison
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: and you never get out of, It whereas if you voluntarily,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: struggle then you get this beautiful feeling when it's. Over
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: but you're not doing, that so you're just getting the
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: same amount of struggle and these, weird little slowed doses
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: all day, long so you're never getting, like oh my,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: God i'm an, AGONY i can't, breathe but if you,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: did then the rest of the day would be. Easy,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: instead you're, getting oh my, god the world is closing
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: in on, me AND i don't know. Why i'm so freaked,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: out And i'm riddled with anxiety all day long for
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: no fucking. Reason i'm having a panic attack and there's nothing.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: Wrong that's what's going. On like you're getting your suffering
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: in like little doses all day, long and it's driving
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: they fucking. Crazy, yeah and that's why you get ON
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: SSRIs and that's why you do, this and that's why
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: you do, that and you join a. Cult everyone's just
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: trying to figure out a way to feel. Better everyone's
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: just trying to figure out a way to feel. Better
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: and one of the ways to feel better is voluntary. Struggling,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: yeah you got a volunteer to put yourself in stressful,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: situations difficult. Situations do it on. Purpose if you do,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: that then the regular world is.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: Easier, yeah it's A i think, Like i'm, always of
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: course biased towards hunting in the, mountains but also think
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: that men men. Specifically you know WHERE i grew up
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: and in an ENVIRONMENT i grew, up hunters were respected
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: and if you killed a big, buck you're, like that meant.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: Something in a small, TOWN.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: I, was because it's very difficult to do.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: Right and it's like for, men respect is such an important. Thing,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: yeah it's like where we say like women need, love
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 4: men Need if you have to choose, men love doesn't mean, shit,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: really but respect. Does and like hunting was a way
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 4: to earn respect from the. Community and that's why for,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: Men like WHEN i as, HUNTER i think that's appealing
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: for people who don't hunt because they see that image
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: and they're, Like i'm missing that because they see that
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 4: there's there's respect earned there and that's what, men whether
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: they want admit it or. Not that's a big driving.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: Force like, you even at work and whatever job you,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: have you want to be.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: Respected he's a perfect example that story you were telling
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: me about shooting that bull in The oregon backcountry and
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: you it is terrible place to kill a. Bull and
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: you call up that.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: Dude, yeah that Guy Cal, holliday.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: Which sounds like a fake name we're talking about that.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: Second sounds like a name that's a perfect badass. Name
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: you call this dude and ask him to help. You
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: dude drove through that you told, Him, okay he, Said
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: i'll see you there at eight. Am now these guys
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: drives through the. Night he shows, up, like how many
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: hours did it take him to get?
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: There?
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 5: Hi?
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 4: Guy so he had to round up three other. Guys
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: so he brought four of like him and three guys
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 4: and they live how far AWAY i mean at least
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: a couple HOURS i, Think and so they had to get,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: together drive a couple, hours get up on this old
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: like logging road essentially into the get to the access
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: point of the wilders to the trailhead pack in miles.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: Right so this is like nine or ten at. Night
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: they said they'd be there at eight in the. Morning
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: so that's what it, took like to get there and
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: then miles back to this remote middle of the wilderness
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: hell whole area by eight. Am so, yeah it was
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: it was hours and hours and hours just to get
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: there and can't.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: Time but the way you talked about, him that's whatever man. Wants,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: yeah like that was a fucking. Man, yes but he earns.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: It, too you. Know that's and you're talking about you,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: know respect so, important but you do have to earn, respect.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: Right, right and that When so in that, Moment so
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: there was, Me Wayne, tanner my Son, james my camera Guy,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: gideon and then he brought four. Guys so we had
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: eight guys in that. Moment there's not eight other MEN
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: i would rather have or seven other men besides me
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: That i'd rather have there because those to do, that it's,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: special that's not not everybody can do that, Shit but those,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: guys that was their purpose that they could probably never
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: be quote happier than in that. Moment elk meat on
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: our back miles to get to the trail head out.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: And hundreds of pounds of.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: Meat, yeah three.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: Hundred pounds of. Meat so we weighed at the at the.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: Butcher WHEN i took the to get, processed three hundred
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: pounds of bone out. Meat that's not not a bone on, there.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: So not including your, camp not including, everything.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: So your and the.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: HEAD i took the head, out so three hundred pounds
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: of meat plus everything else that we, had but eight
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: of us packed it out and it was a great
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: the greatest DAY i can remember probably this, season you.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: KNOW i mean it was that was that was. Real
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: that's WHY i say that that's. Real all this other,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: SHIT i don't know what this, is but that was fucking.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: REAL i killed a. Bull we have to get it
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: out to take care of this. Meat here's some badass
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: mountain men who can help. Me does it get any?
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 7: Better?
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: No, YEAH i Think i've known you for thirteen or
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: fourteen years, now and you've always been like. That, yeah
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: you've never changed in that, sense like those things are
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: important to, You those things are meaningful to. You all,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: right it's.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 4: Incredible, no it's a thank, you but, yeah it's it's.
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: YEAH i, mean that's all that fucking.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: Matters it's most people never experience. That that's what's. Wrong
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: what's wrong is most people never experienced that, insane challenging
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: experience where your characters, tested your will is, tested your
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: commitment is. Tested just.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: Think so the video on this hunt came out last
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: night and it's Called The Bow. Hunter but there's a
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: moment there after we had, called after we'd got the bolt,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: process so it was that at that time it was just,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: Me Wayne tanner And james and we're just sitting. There
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: we had our tents set, up the, bolt the meats
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: all hanging, up middle of the, night sitting there talking,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: Eating we're eating peak. Meals i'm, like.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: Why are you eating peak? Meals when you why Did we.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: Didn't have a, fire but the meat was. Processed it
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: wasn't time to eat or like to break down the.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: Bowl but that would have been great tender ones over
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 4: fire would have been. Amazing we just didn't do. It
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: but the point, is in that, moment there's no other
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: place On, earth no other time in my life THAT
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: i would rather be that is that was the pinnacle
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: of life for.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: Me that's a normal natural experience for primitive. Man, yes
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: that's what it, is and it's how we stayed. Alive
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: and the WAY i describe it to. People there's a.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: Feeling most people have caught a. Fish there's a feeling
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: when someone catches a, fish like even a. Child WHEN
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: i took my daughter bass, fishing she was like. SIX
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: i think she caught a bunch of, bass and the
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: feeling that she got when she hooked, it like her
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: eyes light. Up it is built in, us it's inside of.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: Us but catching a fish bow hunting and in the,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: mountains killing an, animal cooking it over a fire with your,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: boys is that times a. Thousand, yeah it's a crazy
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: built In we did what we have to, do and
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: we're looking forward to doing it, again so that the intense,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: experience the, difficulty all of. It you're sitting, there, relax you're,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: eating and you have no. Doubt you can't wait to
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: do that. Again you're not, like, MAN i don't want
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: to do this. Again this was. Nuts you're, like, Yeah
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: i'm fucking, tired but that was.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: Awesome, yeah that was.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: Awesome you take the pack, off, like whoa. Dude he's
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: sitting there by the fire, like holy, shit you're drenched in,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: sweat your legs are. Gone everybody's around smiling like we
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: fucking did. It we did.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: IT i just don't know. HOW i, mean you hope
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: the films can show, that and and but gives you
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: a peek to feel.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: It oh, yeah.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: IT'S i WOULD i wish everybody could feel, it just
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: so they'd know it'll never. Happen but it's it's so,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: powerful it's life.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: Changing do you Remember Israel autosania's speech after he knocked Out.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: Pereira, yes what did he?
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 7: Say he?
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: GOES i wish he. Goes people of the, WORLD i
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: wouldn't play. It let's play it because it's fucking. Amazing
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: so this Is Alex. Pereira this is the guy that
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: had beaten him three. Times three. Times, yeah knocked him
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: out in, kickboxing knocked him out in m M a
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: and then finally he knocked him. Out and this is
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: like everybody was like terrified of him taking this. Rematch
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: pereira can't be. Stopped perera is a. Destroyer he's the
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: scariest guy. Ever but he asked me to give him the.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: Microphone look at that last best.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 6: A.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: Human, YEAH i love.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: Style he's the.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: Best he's the best the one. Time let this hold
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: of My, yes, sir, hey, sure shirts listen.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: UP i want to say something people.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: EARTH i need to say. Something listen to.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: ME i hope every one of you behind.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: Your screens on this arena can feel this level of
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: happiness just one time in your.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: LIFE i hope all of you can feel how HAPPY
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 4: i am just one time in your.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: Life but guess, what you never feel this level of
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: happiness if you don't go for something in your own
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: life when they knocked you, down where they try on,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: you when it talks about you and they trying to
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: put their foot on your. Neck if you stay, down
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: you will never ever get that.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: Result fortify your mind to feel.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: This level of, that and it's like to rise what
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: time you're?
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: Life But i'm.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: Blessed to be able to feel the.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: Again in the, canon the can and the canon, again
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: the post fight speech.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 4: Of all you know WHAT i love? Too is like
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 4: even in that, moment like there's a little bit of
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: blood starting to trickle out of his. Nose you, KNOW i,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: mean because he looks he looks really good for just,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: fighting but it's like there's little you, know the, sweat
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 4: the blood.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: Trickling, oh he's getting, hit, man he's getting hit and
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: his left leg was already. Destroyed he didn't take many of. Those,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: no he was talking to me about it. Afterwards he's,
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: like that motherfucker got me. AGAIN i was thinking that
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: before that he got my fucking leg, again because that
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: was a part of the problem with the first. Fight,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: yeah first TIME i may, fight his left leg was.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: Destroyed he couldn't move his left. Leg so even though
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: he's Like, bobby but he's, LIKE i was, okay he,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: goes BUT i couldn't get out of.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: There he.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: GOES i couldn't move my fucking. Leg, man he. GOES
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: i was getting, hit BUT i was still. THERE i
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: was moving. Like he was still moving, around but he
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: couldn't go, away like his leg was. Destroyed and that's
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: what people don't think about when when you like those
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: goddamn calf.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: Kicks, yeah he probably knew after the first. One he was, like,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 4: fuck he got me.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: Again he destroys people's. Legs and then you're sitting duck
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: in front of the scariest puncher in the history of
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: the division hands Of. Stone oh my, god he's fucking.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: Terrifying and for him to catch him with that perfect
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: right hand off the cage like, that oh my, god
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: and then shoot the arrows into. Him he was the,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: greatest the rulest fight, celebration greatest post fight speech of all,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: time of all. Time it's not even a second place
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: that that really Except Rosenama unus at one time when
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: she was Saying i'm the. Best that was pretty. Powerful
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: that was pretty powerful.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: Too could you find that tent scene at the end
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: of that. Video, so but here's WHAT i here's WHAT
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: i was curious. About Is oh he did find? It,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: yeah like right. Here so the difference Between israel's happiness
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: and this happiness you want to.
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 7: Do but you, know you go until he's just sick
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 7: of the, weight and you get it under the tree
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 7: of the shade and you get all kind of, energizes come,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 7: back drink some, water grab, it and then mentally you're
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 7: not coming back to, here, RIGHT i mean you get
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 7: it all across the creek in that.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 6: FLOOR i, mean it doesn't get any more in the.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 4: Bottom that was a pack, Out BUT i wouldn't want
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: it any other. Way, wayne he had a horse packer set.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: Up and THEN i had also talked To Cal holliday
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: and WHEN i was in there by myself one on
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: an opening, weekend he, Said, hey if you kill a
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: bowl in, here by. Yourself he, goes let me, know
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: send me a text or. Something i'll have you, know
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: four or five guys here within five hours to help.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: Pack so, no it wasn't opening. Weekend But i'm, LIKE
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: i Told wigne that AND i, said he, goes, well
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 4: who do who do you want to get a hold
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 4: of if you want to get ahold of? Cow or
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 4: do you want to get hold of a horse? Packer
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: And i'm, LIKE i Think i'd rather have cow with
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 4: some other badass you, know mountain, guys and just share
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: this pack out with them. Jungle so these guys right,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 4: here you don't want any other. People And tanner's got
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 4: so much weight on. Reform how they got, UP i
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: don't know what. Time three in the morning made it
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: all the way. There they said they'd be there at eight.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: Am they were down at my bullet eight oh, one
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: AND i don't. KNOW i, mean this is miles and
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: miles and miles just you, know just, studs and so,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: yeah it's, like, Uh i'll never forget. That i'll never
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: forget the whole, obviously the whole, hunt but that morning
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: was a special. One Cal Eric keith And Ryan.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: Massive, yeah so thankful for, them they.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: That bull, Massive so it's, like here's.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: It but that's a. Juxtaposition is to, me that was
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: My israel At asnia moment ABOUT i will never be.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: Happier but look how look how different those moments are
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: once in front of a huge, crowd millions of people,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: watching being you, know and all that attention from all those,
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 4: people and Then I'M i guarantee just as, happier, happier right,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 4: There isn't that? Crazy it is.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: Crazy that's your thing and your fam your. Thing, YEAH
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 3: i always talk about, that like people just trying to
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: find your. Thing, yeah my thing's outdoors and.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: Balance So israel's thing is, Fighting so for for, him
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: that's the. Pinnacle for, us whatever your thing, is get
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 4: to the. Pinnacle. Right that's a lesson.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: Find find happiness in. That do you think whatever it,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: is whatever it is for, you.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: That you're talking about your daughter catching that fish and
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 3: it's like this primal instinct inside of it that just
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 3: flares up that fighters have that same, Feeling like it's
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: a primal.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: Feeling, yeah it's a little more, conflicted dug depending upon
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: how bad you hurt your opponent when you heard him really,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: bad it's it's a very conflicting, moment because you know
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: that could have been. You some guys don't get that.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: Feeling some guys they they're, like, good fuck. Him but
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: a lot of, guys like there's some guys that knock
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: a guy out real bad and then they almost want
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: to retire. Afterwards they're just, LIKE i don't want to
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: do that to anybody, anymore you, know especially guys that
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: have killed guys like Ray mancini when he Killed Duck Ku,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: KIM i don't think he was ever the same. Again
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: there's a few guys like that in history that have
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: had boxing matches where they killed a guy and then
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: they were kind of never the same after. That, yeah
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: because you, realize, like this is what this is what you're,
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: doing this could lead to that happening to, you and
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: you think about your kids watching ON tv and crying
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: or even worse there while you're getting beat. UP i
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: always freak out when guys bring their, kids like oh
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: man bringing a kid to a. Fight you, Know i've
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: seen guys getting knocked out in front of their, kids
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: and it's particularly, devastating particularly, devastating especially when you really
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: like the. Guy it's, rough it's a rough way to
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: make a. Living but those guys when they get that
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: belt strapped around, them when their hands get raised and
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: the whole audience screams and, cheers it's like that's a special.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: Moment it's a special moment that very few people ever
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: get the experience unless they kill a ball in the.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: WILDERNESS i don't even know if it's the. Same they're
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: a different kind of. HAPPINESS i think yours is more,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: Sustained yours lasts, Longer.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 4: That's WHAT i. Say it's, LIKE i don't, Know Like
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: israel said he was. Happy is THAT i guess that's
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 4: what it.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: Is but you know what the reality, is after the
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: happiness dies off for a couple of, days then you
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: start thinking about your next, fight and you immediately start
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: getting that.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: ANXIETY i think that's a good drive in, life, though
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: right because you don't just do that elk come and
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: be Like i'm done, now you. Know it's like not
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: what's the next?
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: One you?
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: Know and it's like that constant. Pursuit and it's.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: Also like constantly recognizing that you're always going to be
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: at least trying to get. Better that's you're always trying
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: to get. Better anything that is going to give, you,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: like real happiness is going to be very difficult because
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: you're not really going to ever be able to master.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: It whatever it, is it's like, that that's where it.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: Is the real it's it's in the pursuit of it
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: and along the way recognizing that you consistently keep getting.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: Better but it's like a there's a dream that you're
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: chasing that you're never going to get. To you're never
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: gonna get to bow hunting. Perfection it doesn't. Exist you
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: can get really, Close you've gotten really really, close but
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: we're human and it's the, wild and there's all sorts
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: of weird variables that. Happen there's branches and sticks and
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: wind and this and, that and it's impossible to be. Perfect,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: yeah and that's part of the magic of.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 7: It.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah part of the magic of it is that when
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: you're in the moment and it's all, happening it's all
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: so open, ended like any result can take. Place you
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: really do not know how this is all going to go.
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: Down you haven't seen it all play, out and you
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: might imagine how it's going to play, out but it's
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: going to play out in unique. Situations some of them
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: will be. Similar some of them will be completely, different
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: and you've got to figure it. Out like you were
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: telling me that crazy story THAT i was talking to
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: you about the podcast where you're shooting down at this,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: bowl like from like a, cliff, yeah straight, Down, Yeah San.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: Carlos this year was a. Change the bowl is a huge,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: cliff and WHAT i thought Is i'd get up there
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: And i'd be able to see the flat and there
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: was some bulls. Down there's a tough year In arizona's the,
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: drought but from that, CLIFF i thought that'd be a
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 4: great advantage point to see where these bulls weren't plant of.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 4: Stock so get way up. There actually their sheep right
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: above us. Too it's like, crazy rugged, country but get
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 4: it there on that cliff And i'm kind of looking
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: out over the expanse there and THEN i look straight
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: down below me there's this big bull and straight down
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: And i'm, like it's like if you're honey mule, deer
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 4: you know they always bet up against the cliffs because
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 4: so they're backs protected the winds coming. Up they can
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: monitor the down below them with their. Nose they know
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 4: nothing's coming from the. Back that's how mule deer bed to. Survive,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: well this bull had done that same, thing and it
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 4: was it had just stood up from the base of
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 4: the cliff AND i look. DOWN i range at forty two,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: yards which people who, know if it's the rangefinder's telling
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 4: you to shoot for forty, two that means straight. Down
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 4: that means it's probably close to sixty, yards you, know
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 4: because the range the rangefinder does a. Calculation if you shoot,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 4: flat that's gravity effects one. Thing if you shoot straight,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 4: down gravity has less. Effect so it's, saying even though it's,
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 4: further you would shoot for less. Distance is how that.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: Works so it told me to shoot for forty. Two
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: that means it's a probably sixty straight down and that's
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: a long shot with it with a. Bow and THEN
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 4: i had to shoot him straight. DOWN i thought THAT
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 4: i was like going to go straight through his spine
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: BECAUSE i was straight above. Him i'm, like, well when
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: you come right behind the, shoulders straight through his spine
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 4: into his, VITALS i thought that should do. It SO i,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 4: SHOOT i hit that bowl like ABOUT i would, say
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: an inch off the. SPINE i show. It there's a
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: video of it on that the video we just watched
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: for people who are, interested but about an inch off
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 4: that spine into his chest and the bowl went about
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 4: one hundred. Yards but, yeah it Was i've never done
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 4: a shot like that before in my. Life you, know
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 4: you think about different. SCENARIOS i had never even thought
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: about one like that on a bowl elk at that,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 4: distance at that. Angle so it is even so Where,
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: yeah it's it's. Back this is the that's the Wind Aholl.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 4: Bowl but it's Back jamie ABOUT i was talking about
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 4: getting ready for this, hunt and it shows like a
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 4: few clips of the BOWL i killed In, colorado then
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: The Arizona. Bowl THEN i did another hunt In utah
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 4: AND i killed a bowl there to get prepared for
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 4: The oregon. Hunt but, uh, yeah it was Just i'd
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 4: never even really thought that that shot would be a potential.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: One The oregon hunt is crazy because of the wilderness
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: is so. Dense, Yes oregon is not forest.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 4: Hunt it's like a.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: Rainforest it's Like Jurassic.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 4: Park and that's in Eastern. Oregon that's the dry part
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: of the. State that's. Crazy but it's such such a,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 4: hole there so much water moisture down there that it
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: turned into Like Jurassic. Park with that bowl coming in,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 4: bugling it was like a, dinosaur.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: But there's nothing that matches. That that aspect of elk
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: hunting makes it so much. Cooler is the sound they
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: make when they're coming. In it's just like all of,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: you your fucking pores pop. Up it's like you get
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: goosebumps all over your, Body you back your, neck the
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: hair stands. Up it's like the scream is like. Whoa
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: it's so it is my favorite. Sound when you hear
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: when you're close and there's an elk screaming through the
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: woods and he's coming close towards. You that's the thrill
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: of that is like nothing, else like nothing.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: Else and people who haven't heard, it they hear that
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: and they're, like what the fuck is that? Right it's
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 4: weird that there's an animal on this planet that makes that.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 4: Noise if we hadn't done this our whole lives and
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: we heard that would be like what is going?
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: On if you had.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: Done What adam did In japan and not research like
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: what what kind of animals are in the, area and
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: you were camping out and you heard that, scream you'd be,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: like oh my, god we're surrounded by. Demons.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 3: Now i've had people tell me stories like there's something
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: really weird in the woods, there and then but you
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: find out it's like fellow deal or red deer living in,
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: there and it's like just a roar and they're just
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: roaring and just people, like.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: What the fuck is.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: That it's, like, actually it's just a dea dag have.
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: The craziest, wars such a weird.
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 3: Actually make a real pussy sound compared to.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 4: It, yeah, yeah well like An african, lion BECAUSE i
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: heard those WHEN i was hunting over, There like they're
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: by the river and so we're like An african lion
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: in the middle of the. Night they're oh, yeah like
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 4: oh my. God it just like reverberates through the whatever
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 4: we were.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: Jumbles if there's anything that lights up YOUR, dna the
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: sound of a lion must just chill your Fucking.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 4: Nothing like that, either nothing like that. Either but you,
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: know here's one here's an exciting. Thing so for people
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 4: listening that maybe didn't grow up. Hunting what we're talking
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: talking about this in the green room last night when
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: we're getting high off all those.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: But we went, smoking but but we got.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: High it's what's crazy is, nowadays you, know we're fifty,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 4: eight you're forty, five, right but we're just getting even better.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: Physically so you say you can't master bow, hunting right
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 4: because you only had a certain. Window like normally how
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 4: hunting works is you're young and, strong all the endurance
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 4: in the, world but you don't know, shit, right you
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 4: don't have the. Experience so by the time you get
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 4: the experience and you're old and broke, down you can't
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: take advantage of the. Experience so you have to have a.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: Wisdom the wisdom you gained when you're, young you utilize
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: when you're old to. Kill. Well now we can gain
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 4: all that experience in. Wisdom Like I've i've been you,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 4: know hunting for forty some, years And i'm also at
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 4: the Best i've ever been. Physically you marry those two
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 4: up look, out.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: That's what so nuts is that didn't exist, before.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: Right so like we go to ways too well today
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 4: and get stem cell and get you, know the eye
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: treatments and get everything else to be able to operate
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 4: at our absolute prime at fifty eight years old with
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: forty years of. Experience, yeah that's that's. Tough that's you're
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: going to have success if you do it. Right, so,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 4: yeah not everybody's going to be in that situation where
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: they grew up hunting like. Me but you even think
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 4: about Jelly roll at forty one years, old so he
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: just started bow. Hunting you started bow hunting in your.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 4: Forties now you've been doing it for you, know fifteen,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: years and you're getting. Better so there's there's hope for
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 4: even people forty to fifty. Whatever with this new science
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: and treatment and supplements and things like, that you can
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: still be very active and still take on new intense
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 4: endeavors like bow hunting or hunting just hunting in, general
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 4: and have success and it might change your entire. Life
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 4: Like Jelly roll is a different fucking. Person, yeah in two,
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 4: years he's a different, person a different human. Totally that
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 4: should be exciting for people.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: Listening, yeah they should learn that you could do it.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: Too and it's and having more. Energy like, say if
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: you're not into, bowhunting you, say if you're, not LIKE
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: i don't want to be a marathon run, er whatever
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: whatever it. Is if your body is, healthier whatever the,
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: thing you, do have more energy, better you're gonna be
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: better at. It you're gonna Have like why why do
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: people like cognitively decline when they get. Older, well a
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: big part of is you're. Declining, overall everything is, Declining
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: everything about you is. Declining of, course your brain is
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: declining as, well like your your entire existence is. Fading
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: you're You're but the more you can have, energy the
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: more you have, vitality the more you can do. WHAT
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: i don't care if you play, chess whatever the fuck
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: it is that you like to, do, paint whatever it
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: is you like to. Do the more energy you, have
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: the more energy you'll be able to apply to that
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: thing you, do.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: The more enjoyable it, is the better quality of, life
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 3: the happier you, are.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: Including all the other, stuff you, know just being with your.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: Family you'll have more energy to do, Stuff you'll be,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: more you have more, Life you'll have more life. Energy
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: here's a.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 4: One Mindset i've tried to take on with especially with,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 4: hunting because that's ALL i really fucking care about is
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 4: improving and learning on every. Time AND i could even think,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 4: about LIKE i was telling SOMEBODY i don't know, who
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: but on EVERY i try to learn something on every,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: stock and WHEN i think about when you kill the
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: sable the other. Day so we're there and you have
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 4: to weigh out so many things on a stalk when
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: you get ready to kill an animal or potentially kill an.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 4: Animal but we're thinking, about, okay we have the. Wind
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 4: the wind is that's the biggest thing with bell, hunting
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 4: SO i knew where the wind. Was but then also it's, like,
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: well do we go stay in the shade so the
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 4: sun wouldn't blind you as it was going. Down but
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: if we stay in the, shade we're not perfectly. Downwind
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 4: So i'm, like, well the sun's going to. Set the
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 4: wind's change because thermals. Change if we're to the side
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 4: in the shade so you don't have to deal with the.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 4: Sun then when that wind becomes, unstable it's more likely
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 4: to smell. Us so we should be all the way down.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: Wind but that means we're gonna have to shoot before
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 4: the sun gets too low to where it's not blinding
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: you to get to the. Side then you have to
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 4: figure out what's the path to get there to where
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 4: we're not making noise for the animal to. Hear, well
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: it's straight to THE i don't remember that, tree AND
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: i said head straight to that. Tree and from that.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 4: Tree THEN i was thinking you should have a lane
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 4: because there was brush all, Around but it looked to
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: me like from that tree you would have a lane
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 4: to shoot at twenty eight, yards but you're still factoring
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 4: all these the, wind the, sun that everything. Else what's
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 4: the animal going to? Do it's just so fascinating to think.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 4: About BUT i know some people hunt AND i don't
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: think they think about it in those, details you know
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 4: WHAT i. Mean they're just kind of, like, oh there's an,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: animal what DO i? Do but, like that's that's not
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 4: How that's not how you master the. Moment you master
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: the moment by AND i said a lot of times,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: too on many of these, HUNTS i was Telling Jelly roll.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: THIS i was, like everything. Matters, everything the little thing.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 4: Matters the big things obviously, matter but everything. Matters and
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 4: that's what hunting teaches. Us and in, life you can
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: make it through regular life on this fake world THAT
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 4: i keep talking about by ignoring a lot of. Things
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: not on a.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: Hunt, yeah we had to think about a lot of
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: things on that. Stalk on a, hunt everything, Matters and
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: one of the big ones that we had to think
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: about was as that sun was, dropping so we were
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: standing there waiting for this sable to get. Up it
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: embedded and it didn't know we were, there and we
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: creep into the. Spot we were.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: Slowly do you remember? That and so do you remember that?
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: Technic remember WHAT i, said if you move slow, enough
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 4: they won't pick it up.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: Right because they look for. Movements so we were moving,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: like you, know like an inch every thirty. Seconds we
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: were like barely moving.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 4: Because What i've found is. Animals i've been in the
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: wide open on a caribou went right at, it but so.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 4: Slow it was just like that can't be. Anything nothing does.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: That sidwise, Movement, no and just but steady.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 4: And slow and they just won't.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: Spook, Yeah and we had to figure out where to.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 2: Stand and then when we got where we, were as
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: we're standing, there we're standing there for quite a, WHILE i, realized,
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: oh this sun is going to be impossible because it's
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: slowly lowering in the sky and it's literally above this
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: sable's head, now And i'm, like, okay we don't get
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: this thing to stand. Up i'm not gonna be able
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: to see it BECAUSE i had my hat on, right
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: SO i blocked myself from the hat and THEN i
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: was trying to train my eyes to just look at
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: it through you, know just like the haze of the.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: SUN i was, like this is going to be a real.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: Problem so we decided let's get him to stand. Up
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: So cam took his arrow out of his quiver and
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: started tapping on this branch and then started like moving
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: towards it and sable or.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 4: Beasts.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: Bro, yeah first of, all those motherfuckers they lions occasionally
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: like they get attacked and there they're fierce, like so
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: it wasn't exactly easy to, spook so you had to
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: kind of like move towards a little, bit and then
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: it started grunting at you like fuck, off fuck, off,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: bitch and then finally it stood, up and when it stood,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: up we got. Him but it, was you, know it
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: was a shot WHERE i was, LIKE i gotta do
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: this real soon because Otherwise i'm not gonna be able to. See,
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: yeah FORTUNATELY i, could AND i can get the pin
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: right where it needed to. Be but it was LIKE i,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: was AND i was telling you, AFTERWARDS i was, LIKE
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: i avoid shooting into the sun WHEN i have my.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: TARGETS i always put a target in the other, way
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: so And i'm LIKE i can't do that. Anymore NOW
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: i have to start shooting into the. Sun sometimes you
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: got to get that feeling because that had. Happened also
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: on a hunt With Tom. Land we were up In
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: utah and this bull is a nice. Bull it was
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: about sixty yards and it was coming across this. Ridge
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: the sun was right in my eyes and he's, like
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: why didn't you? SHOOT i was, LIKE i just. Couldn't
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: it was too, blurry it was too the sun was
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: right fucking. There AND i remember thinking that at that,
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: time this was years, ago thinking at that, TIME i
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: need to shoot into the. Sun and they. DID i ever.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: DID i was, LIKE i will come. UP i just
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: won't take the. Shot i'll do WHAT i did. THAT
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: i won't take the.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: Shot and if you're not, comfortable you don't have to
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: type the. Shot.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: Ye in this, SITUATION i was, LIKE i, know looks
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: it's not a long. Shot it's only twenty eight yards
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: and it's a big, animal And I'm i'm pretty CONFIDENT
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: i got. THIS i was, LIKE i got to factor
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: all these things in and then not let doubt creep
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: into my head and they'll stay totally. Calm so there's
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: all these things going on. Simultaneously it's a.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 4: Lot it's a lot to manage a, lot but also
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 4: a lot to a lot of factors to consider and
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 4: then learn.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: From, yeah, OH i learned a lot from that. HUNT
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: i learned a. Lot first of, ALL i learned how
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: fucking tough sable. Are that the same experience LIKE i
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: told YOU i had With neil guy THAT i shot
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: That neil guy In South texas and it ran LIKE
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: i didn't even hit. IT i hit it. Perfect the
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: arrow went right through. Him it was the. Arrow we
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: found that arrow thirty yards past WHERE i. Hit it
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: was covered in, blood so we knew he was. Dead
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: but he ran like he never even got. Hit he
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: ran full speed like a. Cheetah it was. Crazy and
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: the guy that was with, like, yeah, man they grew
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: up around, tigers like those things evolved around. Tigers, like
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: they don't just take getting hit and go oh, No
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: i'm in. Trouble they fucking. Run they're so tough and
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: they barely. Bleed that's the other thing about these these
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: animals that grow up around big. Predators, boy they clog
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: up their holes really. Quick they don't leave much of
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: a blood. Trail it's not like an elk or a.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: Deer it's.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 4: Different, YEAH i Think Adam adams explains, This, well sometimes
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 4: you talk about when you hit him if they're stretched,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: out then when they're they're not stretched. Out you, know
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 4: it's like it just changes that the entrance wound and
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 4: the exit, wound if there is, one it just. Changes
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 4: there's different layers of muscle and hide over it where
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 4: it just blocks up that. Blood.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: It, see it seems like they clog up quicker, too just.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: Period like whatever they're in at of me is the
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: difference is when you hit, them they. Don't they just
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: don't bleed.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 3: Much, YEAH i got a buddy that. Always you, know
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: someone's like it was a perfect shot and it's, like,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: well actually it, wasn't because it'd be dead. Already Know
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: so it's like AND i know what you're, Saying but
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: the truth is double lungs is double. Lungs and there's
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: so many variations like that reaction they close up the
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 3: gap or what broader do you use and if the
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 3: animals breathing out when the arrow shoots it through the
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: lungs or whether it's just taking a bunch of oxygen.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: In you, know there's a load of. Target, yeah and
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: there's all those different plus just more energy to run
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: on and then you, know you'll see certain hunters that
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: shoot something it's not even dead, yet and they're like
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: yeah and start, yeahho and it's, like what shut the fuck,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 3: up because that brings on an adrenaline. Rush animals can run,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: further whereas you just want a nice relax set. Up you,
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: know it's just a. Hit they don't know what's going
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: on the beauty of The bow because it's so, quiet
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: there's not a lad gun shot behind it or. Anything
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: and then you, know just so they're, relaxed they don't
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: want to run as. Fast they want to give up
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: earlier because they've got nothing to spook from a fight,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: from so.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: You, know and they don't know what. Happened, yeah, Yeah
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: sometimes they think they got jabbed by another bull or
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: something like what?
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: Happened, yeah everything's.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: Crazy they're all rutting and screaming at each other and clashing.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: Antlers then all of a, sudden, whack like what the
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: fuck is? That?
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: Right? Utah this, year the bull THAT i, shot he'd
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: just been in the fight of another, bull so he
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: was all revved up from that other. Bull SO i
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: literally hit him and he just he thought he got
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: poked by an antler from another, bull you, know and
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: he went twenty, yards was standing for fourteen, seconds drop, dead, nice,
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: beautiful peaceful right in front of. Me they don't all
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: happen like. That but that's what we are after, you.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: That's what you're. After that's how you. Practice that's why
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: you shoot so many. ARROWS i had to have a
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: drop right in. Front he is the greatest thing.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 4: Ever AND i think that does impact the taste of
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 4: the meat. Too if you don't have them shoot that
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 4: adrenaline back through their body where it's a peaceful, DEATH
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 4: i think it does impact the. Taste that's what they.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: Say, yeah, yeah it makes. SENSE i mean don't they
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: do that with when they want to call, Animals like
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: like if they want to shoot, animals rather not call
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: them shoot them for commercial, purposes they shoot them in the, head, Right.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah they put A baltimore. Head but, YEAH i MEAN i.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: Mean like like like access to your for they shoot
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: him in the.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 4: Head, Definitely, No but like even like when they kill,
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 4: cattle they're not getting those things.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: Right of, course of course you want them to be
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: as calm as, possible the opposite of what that mountain
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: lion did to that. Cow imagining. That imagine you eat that,
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: cow that would be like. Anxiety it's probably in the meat.
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: Itself taking it back to the health, journey how you were, saying,
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 3: like you know where we are now with you, know
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: modern treatments and wellness is. Incredible LIKE i feel LIKE
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 3: i feel like my body is the best it's ever,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: been you, know And i'm obviously the Oldest i've ever,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: been which is crazy to think, Of like how can
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 3: how CAN i feel better THAN i? Do how CAN
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 3: i feel better now THAN i did in my early.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: Twenties you, know we've out any injuries and stuff like.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: That so it's. Cool And i've got you to thank
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 3: for that by introducing me to brig him and waste the.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 3: Wills so oh my.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: PLEASURE i want more people to know about. IT i
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: want everybody to be. Healthy it's. Possible you can get.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: Healthier like look At Jelly. Roll the guy was five
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: hundred plus pounds and now he's running. Now ran ten
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: k the day before he came to the, studio and
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: then when we went to the gym together and he
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: ran two point six miles on the treadmill while he was,
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: Talking we're. Laughing he's joking. Around they don't know, me.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: Son he, said he's having a good old, time and you,
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: know he just seems so. Happy we got in the sauna,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: together we're. Laughing it's like he's just a different. Guy
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: he's got so much and he's so he's so excited
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: about this journey that he's, on this journey of self,
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: improvement this journey of. Health you, know he's going to
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: be there for his, kids he's going to be there
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: for his. Wife now he's worried about dying. Before you,
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: know he told a story about like laying on his
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: arm and he couldn't get. Up he was trapped and
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 2: he didn't have in bed in, bed he couldn't get,
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: Up he, couldn't, couldn't and he thought he was gonna.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: Die he's, Like i'm so big That i'm laid on
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: my arm and i don't have that strength to get
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: out of this position Because i'm so.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 3: Big what a.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: Change and now he's running and bow.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: Hunting, yeah, hey substance, now like that's like that substance
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: will just keep him, going you, know toify those things
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: and what makes him.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: Happy and you know the problem is a lot of
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: people oftentimes compare themselves to other people that are already
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: on that. Path this is another thing that we talked.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: About you just get on the. Path don't worry about
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: how people are ahead of. You just you be ahead of.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: Yourself next week you're ahead of where you were this.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: Week the week after, that you'll be ahead of. You
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: it's just a. Path, yeah just get so so what
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: if other people have been on the path further than, You,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: like that's how you get better at stuff and that
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: that is what's exciting about, life is this path of
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: improvement and whatever you do and actually being a human,
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: being be a better. Human you can do. That everybody
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: can get on that.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 4: Path, yeah, yeah it's. That this is WHAT i Told
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 4: jelly is that you, know you can wander around off
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: the path for your whole life and never really have
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 4: like fucking, never never really figured it. Out but once
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 4: you make, it like like where he's, on you, know being,
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 4: healthy eating, better. Exercising he you, know the mounds have given.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 4: HIM i always, say the mountains heel or nature. Heels
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 4: so he's there. Now it's, like, yeah of course there's
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 4: people who are way ahead because they've been on it.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 4: Longer there's people not quite on. It maybe they're going
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 4: to be faster than him and they pass, them but
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 4: all on the right, path head in the right. Direction
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 4: that's a beautiful place to be and that's where he's.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: At it is one of the things THAT i said
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: To jelly when we're on the. PODCAST i was, like
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: what you're doing is inspiring millions of people to live
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: a better. Life one hundred. Percent what you're doing is
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: so beneficial to human beings all over the world because
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: now millions of people have seen that, podcast millions of
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: people have heard that, store millions of people have seen
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: those clips that have been shared all throughout social, media
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: and how many people got excited by that and it
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: gave them fuel and energy to want to go do.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 2: Something it gave them that inspiration that we all desperately
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: crave to want to go out and take those first fucking.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: Steps and then once you do, that then you're operating
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: on momentum and it's so much. Easier this is another
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: thing that people have to. Understand the first steps are the.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: Hardest it's so hard to, move it's so hard to get.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: Going but once you get, going then you operate on.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: Momentum once you have a good day then you, GO
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: i did. IT i had a good. Day let's do
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: it again, Tomorrow and then you get excited about it
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: and you look forward to waking, up and then you
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: get through it that, day like we fucking did it,
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: Again and Now i'm looking forward To Now i'm eating.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: Healthier NOW i cut off the, sugar and Now i'm
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 2: drinking water with, electrolytes and Now i'm feeling. BETTER i
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: have more in, it and just keep, going just keep,
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: Going and momentum is so much easier than that first.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: Step the first step of changing your life is so
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: hard because we're just so afraid of. Pain we're so
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: afraid of. Suffering we're so afraid, of like just the.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: Discomfort we've been programmed to think that discomfort is a bad.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: Thing it's.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: Not, yeah it's.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: Not it's.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 4: NECESSARY i think That Jolly roll MIGHT i, MEAN i
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 4: think we've talked about, this but could he impact more
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 4: people than anyone ever has in that?
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: Regard we were talking about that today.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: Because it's like it's not, like you, know Even israel
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 4: or your FAVORITE nfl guy OR nba they're they're, elite,
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 4: right so when they, succeed you're, like, fuck of, course you,
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 4: know he's six eight two. Sixty of course he's going
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 4: to be. Great but when you see somebody Like Jolly,
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 4: roll who came from five hundred and forty, pounds that's
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 4: like he's already at the furthest end of like you,
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 4: know like which you'd have to, overcome and for him
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 4: to do, that anybody else is closer to the to the,
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 4: goal and he's he was at that. Time so it's
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 4: like nobody's in worse, shape, really.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: Right you, know you really morbidly.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 4: Open you can't be in worse, shape you, know. Right
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 4: and if he's doing, it everyone can do. It everyone
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 4: who has who has that something inside, him and maybe
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 4: he's going to give them that. Something and he's.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: Way more famous than anybody's ever done this, before, right
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: that's the most important aspect of. It he's loved by
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: so many. People so how Many Jelly roll fans loved
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: him because he was like. Them he was big like,
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: them super, talented amazing guy who was also, big, like
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: oh my, GOD i THOUGHT i was a big slob
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: and no one's gonna love. Me, meanwhile everybody Loves Jelly,
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: roll so they love Jelly and then all a sudden
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: jelly rolls changed his. Life like how many people are
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: sitting there watching him and listening to him GOING i
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: THINK i could do. It he did. IT i THINK
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: i can do. It, yeah and you just do it
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: the way he'd you, know like he didn't start out running.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: Marathons he tried to go for a.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 4: Walk, yeah you. KNOW i mean he would call his
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 4: wark has run because he couldn't. Run but he'd say
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 4: tell his, family his wife and that he's going to
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 4: go out on his. Run there's not one step of,
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 4: running but.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: The the, mindset.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 4: The story he told himself was he was. Running so
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 4: it's that self. Talk you, know how we talk to
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 4: ourselves is. Important so he would tell, Himself i'm going
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 4: to go run even though there's no not a step
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 4: of running, involved but that led to. Running that, mindset
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 4: that approach of Like i'm winning. Today i'm. Winning it's
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 4: not a run as a, walk but it's.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: Going to be a. Run that's going to be a
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: massive mental achievement for him, too Because i'm sure that
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 3: he had a lot of mind weight to lose as,
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 3: well because he was in jail right substance, abuse no,
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: doubt probably a lot of like that's a lot of
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: negative stuff in someone's, head so to lose that as,
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 3: Well and you told me that he's such a positive,
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 3: person so to, like you, know he lost a bunch of,
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 3: weight which is, incredible but what he's done to his,
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: mind which we may never, know is really incredible To,
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 3: Like that's WHY i was saying to you this, morning
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: this might be one of the best modern day stories
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: of a person changing their life when you look at jelly, yeah.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah and it couldn't be a better representative of
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: someone who has gone through the struggle and then come
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: out this amazing. Person like he's an amazing. Guy like
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 2: there's very few humans that are so kind and friendly and.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: Warm and when he hugs, you he hugs you with his,
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: soul like he hugs you with his whole body and his.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: Soul he's a perfect person to be the inspiration for
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: people to improve their.
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 4: Life, well and that was so, Touching like when you
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 4: shared The Grand Old opry inclusion For Jelly roll From
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 4: Craig morgan and he, Said, joe CAN i get a?
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 4: HUG i mean two, Men and that's to, ME i
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 4: was like so endearing but also so important to show
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 4: that it's okay for men to, say, yeah, yeah CAN
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 4: i get a?
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: HUG i, mean it was a man. Crying it was
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: one of the most inspirational things you could ever.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 4: WATCH i, mean but it takes a certain type or
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 4: it's one of one who does stuff like, that like.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 4: Him his. Heart that's WHY i say he's a big,
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 4: man but he's got the biggest heart of Anybody i've ever.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 4: Met and that was an example of. It like he
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 4: just wanted.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: Love, yeah he's he's a very important figure in our.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: Culture it really, is it really, is you, know especially.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: NOW i mean he always. Was his music just alone
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: is important because it's beautiful. Music but the beautiful music
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: is the expression of a beautiful, soul you. Know and
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: now he's also on this path of self improvement and it's.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 4: Amazing yeah that title of his, album Beautifully, BROKEN i,
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 4: mean it's so. Perfect he's he's he was, broken probably
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 4: will always be broken in some. Ways we all, are
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 4: but he's putting himself back together and, man He's.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: Are we all broken or do we all have negative
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: thoughts from the?
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 4: Past are we telling ourselves we're? Broken, yeah maybe that's.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 4: It maybe that's ourselves.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: Obviously we're, functional so we're not. Broken you, know it's
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: not that we're, broken it's just.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 4: A, doubt the self.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: Doubt, well everyone's, gonna you're. Gonna you're, like you're a human.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: Being the only way you figure out how to get
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: good at something is you have. To it has to
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: be a. Puzzle puzzles include. Doubt, yeah it's always going
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: to be. There, hmm there's no getting around.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 3: It it's. Not but the beauty of, it, Right, yes that's.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: It that's the beauty of. It and then whatever you
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: do Doesn't you don't have to go. On it's like
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: you probably, should but you don't have. To it could
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: be anything, else.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 3: But, yeah just any struggling in, life you. Know that's
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 3: HOW i look at anything like. That that's testing or trialing.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: Or and it should be it should be interesting for you,
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: Too it should be an interesting. Thing that's The people
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: also have this weird habit of looking at the mind
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: in terms of only being valuable in human created, endeavors
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: like the mind only being valuable in, mathematics the mind
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: only being valuable in your ability to recite literature and
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: your knowledge that you've gained through, Schooling like, no, no the.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: Mind the mind manages stressful situations. Too that's an important
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: aspect of, intelligence is your intelligence in being able to
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: navigate difficult. Things that is all your. Mind you're using your,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: mind Like bohunting has so, much so many elements of
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: intelligence that are woven into. It and the difference between
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: a successful person who bowhunts and an unsuccessful person is
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: experience in, practice but also the mind being able to
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: learn from each individual situation and experience and get better
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: and accumulate all this knowledge over. Time you, know it's
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: got a, deep deep learning. Curve it's very. Deep and
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 2: the people that don't experience it and then have this
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: classification in their head of what intelligence. Is intelligence means
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: you got a. PhD i know a lot of people with.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: PhD they're. Fools they're, fools they're emotional, children they're they're
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: they're they're filled with ego and, resentment and they're shitty
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: and nasty to. People they're. Fools so they're not. Smart
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: they're just they have a functional mind that they've applied
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: to human endeavors only, right and they've never never done
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: the big, thing never done the whole, package never put
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: it all.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 4: Together, yeah AND i THINK i think another key to being.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 4: INTELLIGENT i don't know if the, key but having KIDS
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 4: i think is a big part of. Growth and to,
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 4: me it's LIKE i lump like intelligence just just life
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 4: experience into the package we'd call. Intelligence but like hunting
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 4: teaches us that of, course but also raising kids and
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 4: being responsible for a. Family oh, YEAH i think that's.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 4: Another it's, like, yeah school doesn't teach you that, shit
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 4: and like the degree you got doesn't doesn't signify. That
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 4: BUT i don't, KNOW i think that's a big part
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 4: of it.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: Too it's a giant learning, experience that's for damn. Sure
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: and it also teaches you way more. Compassion it just
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: teaches you to way more loving and. Kind and you
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: also just you understand from watching a baby become an
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: amazing adult human, being you get to understand all the
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: elements that are involved in this child's development and all
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: the trials and tribulations and how you got to a
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: lot like let them fall sometimes and then help them
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: pick themselves back up and talk to them through it
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: and when they're, down explain Like i'm run down. Too
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: i'm Always i've fucked up EVERYTHING i Was whenever my
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: kids are doing anything. Wrong one of the THINGS i
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: always say to them IF i was upset at, THEM i, said,
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: LISTEN i did everything that you. Did i've done all this.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: Stuff it's, okay but you can't do. It and this is,
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: why Like I've i've screwed up, Everything i've done THINGS
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 2: i shouldn't have. Done i'm doing exactly what you're doing right.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: Now i've done it even. Worse you're a better kid
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: THAN i. Was, YEAH i always say, that so they
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: don't think that Like i'm without. FAULT i always Say
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: i've done it, all BUT i got through it on
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 2: the other. Side Now i'm your. Dad and the reason
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: Why i'm telling you this is BECAUSE i love, you
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: And i'm not Telling i'm not trying to like be
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: upset at, you BECAUSE i, mean, Like i'm trying to
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: help you live a better. Life and that's HOW i
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: try to communicate with them about.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 4: It so in my, head that perspective opens up other
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 4: lanes of. Intelligence that's that's what it's. Like you can't
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 4: be your highest form without that.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: Right you're. Challenged you're, challenged and you're also challenged by
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: the discipline of. It and you know you you have
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: people that rely on, you and that is you can't
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: fuck that. Off you can't just like not show up for.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: Work you can't just you, KNOW i just feel like
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: sleeping in today and Fucking i'm taking a month. Off
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: like you can't do. That you have people that rely on,
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: you and also you're setting an example for them that
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: they're going to learn from the people that. In your
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: kids are a great example that the children of people
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: that are very disciplined almost always have a higher threshold of.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: DISCIPLINE i notice. IT i see it in your, kids for.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: SURE i see it in my. Kids they have more
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 2: of an understanding of what's necessary in order to get
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: things done and to be. Successful, now if you're a
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: person who's a parent and you shirk every, responsibility you,
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: lie you, steal you you do things you, nuts but
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: you take, shortcuts you're not, truthful you're whatever you're, doing
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: where your kids get to see, like, oh my parent
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 2: is a kind of a. Fuckhead you, know my parent
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: is kind Of one of two things. Happens either you
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: emulate your parents and you be kind of a, fuckhead
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: or you, GO i don't like, that And i'm never
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: gonna be like. That like some of my friends that
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: grew up with alcoholic. Parents they've never had a drink
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: in their fucking life and they never. Will they're, LIKE
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: i am never touching that. SHIT i see what that's
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: like BECAUSE i saw my dad lose his fucking, job
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: lose his, house lose, this lose, that get arrested for
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: dwy getting a bar. Fight My dad's a fucking, loser
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: And i'm not going to be that. Guy but it's it's.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 4: A toss up or some might emulate, that.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: SO i might emulate. That, YEAH i mean some you,
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: see your dad's a drug, Addict, like let me try.
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 3: IT i grew up like that with a couple of closer.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 3: Friends and these closer friends were, Like i'm never gonna
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 3: be like my, Dad, like, well we'll to the core
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: will like. That we're never going to be like our
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 3: Father's and and that's one of the REASONS i don't,
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 3: drink because my father was a horrible. Alcoholic and even
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 3: though WHEN i, drink i'm, Happy i'm just turned off,
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 3: it SO i don't want to do. It AND i
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 3: Guess i've gone long enough now that doesn't interest. Me
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 3: and THEN i had another friend THAT i cut off
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 3: because he turned out to be exactly like he's. Dad
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 3: and even though he the whole time he was, Like,
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 3: May i'm never going to be like my. Father i'm
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 3: going to be the. Opposite for some, reason some people
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 3: just go down the same.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: PATH i think it's also the stress of. Life sometimes it's,
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: overwhelming you, know this thing that we look forward to
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: and bow, hunting this like not knowing what's going to.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: Happen like you get out, there it's early in the,
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: morning you put your pack. On you know what's going
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 2: to happen? Today who. Knows some people hate that, feeling,
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: right they hate that feeling of not knowing what's going to.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: Happen and the uncertainty about your career and job is
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: a weird. Uncertainty it depends on so many factors that
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: are sometimes out of your, control and people just they
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: get overwhelmed and they just want to. Escape they just
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: want to. Escape and maybe they're doing a job they
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: don't enjoy, doing and then the only time they feel
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 2: good is when they're. Drunk so they just get get
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: off work and they can't wait to meet their boys
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: and have a. Laugh and next thing you, know you're
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: drinking and one day turns into a. Month and that's.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 3: It's just that's.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 4: Distraction they want to be distracted off their life or.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: Whatever in this world will give you a lot of.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: Distractions you can play video games and fucking get hammered and,
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: yeah whatever it. Is fill in the. Blank. Man you
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 2: could find a lot of stuff that's not going to
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: be beneficial for.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 4: You, yeah it's one thing THAT i think the, well
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 4: drinking and, whatever BUT i think the biggest negative thing
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 4: a parent can offer their kids is blaming Other like
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 4: all it's always somebody else's. Fault so it's like this
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 4: discuss discussion at the, house you, know because kids hear, everything,
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 4: Right so when the dad's coming home and he's bitching
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 4: about his boss or the guy at, work or he's
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 4: getting fucked over for, this OR i could do that,
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 4: too but that guy kissed, ass that's why he got,
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 4: that or the must be nice whatever like these excuse. Makers,
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 4: oh you're just fucking sabotaging your. Kids it's just that
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 4: you never get anywhere by blaming other people for where you're.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 4: At and so many people do that because they won't
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 4: accept personal responsibility for their actions or for their place in.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: Life AND i don't even think it necessarily it's their.
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: FAULT i think they a lot of them have never
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: seen an example of an extraordinary person who doesn't do.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: That it's rare to find a, person, unfortunately in this,
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: world especially in. Society it's rare to find a person
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: of great, character a person who's just got impeccable character
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: and is always truthful and his, work works really hard
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 2: and is loved by a lot of. People it's. Rare it's,
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: rare and so they've never experienced. It they have been around, it,
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: yeah and so they don't even know what it.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 4: Is, right they don't know that they're. Sabotaging.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah and sometimes that's one of the real places where
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: a guy Like Jelly roll can can change people's, lives
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: is because he does talk about all of the negative
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: shit that he's experienced and all the negative influences and
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: all the bad people that he was, around and how
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: he was living that. Life he was trapped in that. Way,
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: yeah and now he's not.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 4: Anymore and and and he so the big, things, substance
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 4: criminal lie, overweight all those those are usually the big,
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 4: thanks and he overcame all of. Them so it's like
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 4: that's where that power comes. From where to influence so many.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 4: People it's because so what was your issue? Again? Yeah
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 4: well jelly, Rold, yeah he overcame. That wait was there something?
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 4: Else oh that? TOO i mean it's, everything all the big.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 4: Things he's. Overcome so what what else is? There what
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 4: else are you going to?
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: Blame you just got to find a, thing find a.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: Thing get on the. Path, yeah get moving on the. Path, Broom,
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: sorry let's all. Right what SEE i told?
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 4: You, no IT'S, IVY i told. HIM i, SAID i, said,
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 4: hey put all that ship in like this much whatever
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 4: fluid BECAUSE i don't want to have to take a
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 4: piss that. Way they made it super. Concentrated did he really?
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 4: Did that's.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 2: Hilarious it was just, like wait and. PEE i don't mind.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: Peeing but every Time i've done that WHEN i come
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: here after AN, IVY i do the same thing after
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: pe YEAH i, know or after the, sauna because after
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: the sauna always drink this giant sixty four ounce thing
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 2: of water and. Electrolytes and then like an hour and
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: a half in the, Podcast i'm, like.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 4: Oh, no that hits jolly. Roll had he learned that
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 4: lesson in the blind because we were sitting for hours
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 4: and like if you haven't ever been in a position
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 4: where you know you can't just get out and go
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 4: pee or, whatever then you're, like, OOH i didn't know
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 4: what this. Holding you, know he said he was gonna
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 4: piss his. Pants it's like he's like had to make
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 4: a hole in the blind and p and two and
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 4: covered up with BECAUSE i was, like, okay just make a,
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 4: hole covered up with dirt, whatever and that's what he.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 4: Did but, uh, yeah it's pretty when you got to,
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 4: piss it could be.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 2: Miserable, well there's a mental challenge of sitting still for
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: long periods of, time Like i've only tree stand hunted.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: ONCE i did At dudley's place In. Ile, yeah and
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 2: the thing About iowa, is first of, all it's In
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: november that you're, hunting and it's so fucking. Cold it's so,
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: cold and you have to sit still, right you can't
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: fucking move a muscle and you're out there for hours
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 2: and hours and hours just hoping a deer gets it
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: within boat. Range and the only reason why they do
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: is just they just happen to be. Wandering and this total,
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: luck it's complete. LUCK i, mean that's why those, guys
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: like a lot of those like real Psycho Lee lakowski,
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: guys they'll out they're out there for months at a,
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: time they'll hunt a single buck for like thirty eight
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: days or however long the season. Is and they're in
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: that damn blind every day or they're in that tree
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: every day is, dark thresing their dick, off just huddling
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 2: up with mittens and. Shit and then when the and
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: sometimes when if you have like a powerful, bowl like
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: you pull, back like when it's zero degrees outside and
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: you go to pull that thing.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 4: Back like, tough you might not get it. Back, yeah oh,
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 4: no and that's a helpless. Feeling oh. No, nowadays so
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 4: back in the, day back WHEN i used, to you,
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 4: KNOW i still tree stand, hunt you, know for black tail,
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 4: sometimes but phones have, changed like how long you can
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 4: stay because you can just fuck around on your phone.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 4: Now and then also there's heated, vests heated, socks so
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 4: you can have like it's still just standing in a
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 4: tree or sitting in a tree for fourteen. Hours, terrible still, terrible,
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 4: terrible that's a little, easier but pretty.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: Terrible, well, thankfully gears a lot better, too like layering,
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: systems and you could stay like you could stay. Alive
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: let me put it that. Way you're not going to be,
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: comfortable but you could stay alive out.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 4: There oh, YEAH i. Agree, still, DUDE i didn't, SO
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 4: i you, know signed on a sit can, now BUT
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 4: i hadn't had other. THINGS i, was you, know under
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 4: arm or different. Whatever and, UH i GUESS i had
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 4: never had had good gear my entire life BECAUSE i
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 4: didn't fucking, KNOW i didn't have to be miserable in
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 4: a tree stand and uh so sitki. SIMME i don't
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 4: know what it. Is it's like some side sideways zip
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 4: jacket or, yeah it's a, jacket it's A i can't
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 4: remember what it's, called but it's polar. Fleas AND i
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 4: was like up, there, going this isn't fucking feel.
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 3: Good i'm not.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 4: Freezing AND i had never, so LIKE i, said i've
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 4: both under my whole. LIFE i guess always just had
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 4: like shit that wasn't the best and just thought that's
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 4: part of the, deal.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 2: Not just that it doesn't restrict any of your. Movements,
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: NO i.
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 4: Used to have to wear like fucking seven, hoodies, right
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 4: trying to pull a bow with seven hoodies. On but
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 4: that's HOW i had to stay. Warm so with the
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 4: sickest stuff With John, barclos and he's kind of into
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 4: design and he's a bow hunter. Himself BUT i can
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 4: have the shit on and it's not. RESTRICTED i can
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 4: pull my bow and you know it's Not this isn't
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 4: like a fucking ad For. Sika there's if there's other
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 4: stuff out there that does that, too, GREAT i just
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 4: don't know about it Because i've never had, it but,
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 4: man that that shit works.
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 2: Good there's a bunch of high level gear that's out,
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 2: there but it's like whatever they've done With, siko they've
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 2: made it so that everything works. Perfectly they've dialed it in.
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 2: Perfectly the pants they have the built in knee, pads
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: which is fucking. HUGE i love those. Pants so when
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: you're crawling on like they're the perfect knee. Pads they're super,
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 2: lightweight but you could sneak around on stuff on your
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 2: knees and not be in fucking, agony, right and it
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 2: doesn't restrict your movement at.
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 4: All the level of detail they have now on.
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 3: These clothes is and it's most. Fitted you, KNOW i
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 3: remember like stuff that we used to. Use we used
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 3: to complain about it, together but it's like who they
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 3: make in these pants full when the legs of that
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 3: wide at the bottom Steel so you're walking along hunting
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 3: and it's just.
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 4: Like bell bottoms and they get, wet they're fucking flopping
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 4: around and, shit it makes me so. PISSED i would
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 4: take pictures and send a kid when he is an
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 4: under armour or like the pocket or. Something i'm, like
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 4: what the fuck is going? On but, yeah this this
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 4: stuff fits.
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 3: Good.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah well it's JUST i, mean that's one of
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 2: the reasons to give them props so that they stay,
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 2: open stay, alive because it's like. That that kind of
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: gear is so fucking, important you, know to have gear
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 2: that doesn't restrict your movement totally keeps you comfortable and,
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 2: warm makes you like so you can move around very.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 2: Quietly whatever fabrics they're, using they've got to dialed. In,
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 2: yeah when you're, walking if you're fabric rubs, together you
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 2: don't hear a fucking.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 3: Thing, yeah and, Again tom's, precious and we're doing stuff
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 3: in this. Time we want to enjoy, it so we're
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 3: in gear that makes us enjoy, it, Right but.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 2: It's just the market for. This this is like one
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 2: of the things that really IS i think important it's
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 2: like the market for these things that are so impactful
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 2: and important for, us it's not a DO i just
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 2: touch the microphone THAT i fucked out sounded weird on
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 2: mi nd that it's not a big. Market there's not
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 2: a lot of us out, there you. Know so it's, Like,
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 2: God i'm so thankful that someone puts so much research
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 2: and development into these, products whether it's white bows or
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 2: whatever you're using that you, like you got to, think
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 2: like how many people how to work tirelessly to figure
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 2: out how to make this thing that is so critical
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 2: to your? Success you, know fill in the blank? Binos
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: like whatever it, is whatever you're. Using who fucking figured
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: out how to make? Binoculars how about the sig ones
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 2: that have image Stabilizing? Now who figure that? Out who's what?
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 2: Wizard what wizard? SCIENTISTS i got a pair of those
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 2: sixteen power SIGs the. Zulus you hit that switch and
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: turn on the image, Stabilization and, normally if you're holding
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 2: for people that don't, know if you're holding sixteen power
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 2: binos in your, hand your image that you're getting on
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 2: the other end is all wiggley because it's sixteen times
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 2: larger than what you actually, see so every micro movement
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 2: is a giant jiggle in your eyesight and your. Picture
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 2: but with those, things it's like you're watching a. Movie
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 2: it's like fully locked, in like it's on a. Tripod it's.
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 3: Crazy, YEAH i was looking for a friends And i'm
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 3: like AND i was, like, look the glass isn't as
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 3: good in. Them And i'm saying that to, him you.
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 3: Know and then Because i'm looking for my Am maya
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 3: crystal clear and maybe the glass isn't as good in,
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 3: them but because the image is dead. Still So i'm doing,
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 3: This i'm putting mine up And i'm, like it's really.
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 3: Clear and THEN i put that up And i'm, like
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 3: they're not as. Clear now you have to turn the button.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 3: On and THEN i pressed the button. On it was,
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 3: like oh, fuck because the image is still so you're
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 3: really getting to look at.
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 2: It it's gonna be the it's the. Future swarovsky is
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 2: now doing it with spotting, scopes so they have a
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: handheld spotting scope that completely stabilizes the image and no.
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 2: TRAVA i mean you hold like a sixty five power
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 2: spotting scope and you can look around like, this which is,
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 2: crazy well, crazy.
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 4: And the reason why that's so critical to a hunter
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 4: is we look for, movement just like an animal looks
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 4: for us moving too. Quickly but we look for a
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 4: movement like an ear flick or or a tail wag
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 4: or something. Like or they'll sometimes there are high just
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 4: if they got a fly lands on. Them so you're
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 4: looking for like a small little bit of. Movement you
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 4: can't do that if you're not if you've got movement
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 4: into your. Optics but with that, stabilization it's dead. Solid
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 4: so you can see when that ear, flicks, yeah where
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 4: it'd be flicking before you just didn't notice. It so
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 4: that's where it's like so. Critical but if you think
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 4: about all this, stuff this top of the line stuff
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 4: that we talked about with the, bows the, camo the
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 4: by nos, bowhunting fucking still was so. Hard that's what's
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 4: so beautiful about it is it's so. CHALLENGING i don't
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 4: care about all this stuff is.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 2: Great no matter what you, do you're gonna. Stink, Yeah
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 2: and if the wind catches the back of your neck
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 2: and you see that animal's head pop, up it's a.
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 2: Wrap they're designed to get the fuck away from any
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 2: funky smells of things that eat. Meat not. Interested i'm
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 2: out of. Here they smell us, bride we must, Spink
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: we must fucking smell like hot death to. Them oh,
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 2: yeah because when you see an elk or a deer
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 2: catches a, whiff you and their heads, like oh, no.
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 4: They don't even have to think that long about.
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 2: It and you, know they keep making these rules to
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: try to make bow hunting, harder like eliminating certain things
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: like That garman. SITE i used to love using That
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: garmin range finding site and then they made it out
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 2: lawed In. Utah i'm, like, oh, guys come, on, like
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 2: this doesn't make it any. Easier it just makes it
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 2: so that you're gonna wound less things and have more effective.
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 2: Shots but you, know when you get to, that like
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 2: it used to, be there was no rangefinders right when
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 2: you started? Out was there any range finders at?
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 3: All nothing the sites WHEN i started, out no peep,
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 3: site no fixed.
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 4: Crazy we shot fingers with, compound that's.
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 2: Crazy So i'd have a little.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 4: Glove, glove three tab glove thing and you shoot.
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 2: That uh what year did they invent the archery?
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 4: Release, WELL i got one in eighty. Nine, finally when did.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 2: They first come? Out like who got the first guy
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 2: that invented who's the first guy that, goes you know?
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 2: What this is? Bullshit the thing THAT.
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 3: I i like How cam's. LOG i got one in eighty.
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 3: NINE i was nine years.
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 4: Old well at least you.
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 3: WERE i didn't know the word, elk.
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 4: But you knew the word cunt because they say it
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 4: all the time down.
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 2: There, Baby, like who is the guy that figured out
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 2: The archie?
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 4: Release that, Guy Jim fletcher. Was The fletcher release was
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 4: the first ONE i, had AND i had a little
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 4: rope in. IT i remember you'd have to put the
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 4: rope around and it hook on the trigger on the,
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 4: clasp and then you'd hit the trigger and release. It
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 4: AND i didn't GET i had to replace that rope
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 4: because it start to wear. Off so you'd have to
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 4: have the right knot and then you kind of burn
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 4: it to get it to hold in. IT i didn't
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 4: have a good enough SO i didn't do.
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 3: That not.
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 4: RIGHT i go to pull the bow, back the release comes,
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 4: off hit myself in my.
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 2: Face and so WHEN i first started buying, releases they
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: would come with a little, string did? They, yeah the
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 2: some releases would come with a little, Rope AND i was,
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 2: like what the fuck is this? For and it must
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 2: be for guys who had kind of always done it
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 2: that way and didn't want to not do it that
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 2: one anymore because that was like a part of their.
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 4: Thing maybe did you find A fletcher release?
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 6: One?
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 4: Wow seventy wh yeah one look At.
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 2: Stanislavsky. Yeah still they make awesome releases. Today look at.
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 2: That that is.
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 4: Awesome that's.
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 2: Crazy.
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah oh so that was just like a thing that
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 4: went around your finger and it just turns to let
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 4: it go like a.
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 2: Hinge. Yeah, wow may Revolutionize look at that, image may revolutionize.
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 2: Archery look at. That go back to. That look at
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 2: that may revolutionize archie by contributing to unprecedented. ACCURACY i
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 2: mean that's essentially like a.
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 4: Hinge, yeah it is there.
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 3: On sixty six sixty Six, Wow.
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 2: Wow sixty. Four it was LIKE i got.
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 3: SOMETHING i got an idea for you.
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 2: Guys, wow using the six Gold bowstring release to improve
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: their speed and. Accuracy. Wow, oh his two, Sons glenn
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 2: and his two sons use this.
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 4: RELEASE i never even heard of this guy's, Name.
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 2: Glen. Wow look how it works, Too like you hook
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 2: it with your index finger and then you pull your
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 2: index finger through and it pops. Off that's. Crazy so
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 2: when you draw, it you have it like, that and
• 2:08:38
  Speaker 2: then you release, it you let it.
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 4: Go you just let up with your, Index, yeah like
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 4: an and it turns a lot.
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 2: Of guys shoot a hinge that. Way you, know some
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 2: guys shoot a hinge by pulling down with their.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 4: People see that piece of.
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 3: Rope, yeah hand released from nineteen fifty.
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 2: Who, Woaw so there's certain.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 3: Releases it's.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 2: Crazy look at that. Thing, wow look at that. Thing
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 2: it looks like a gun. Handle that's so.
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 4: Weird, yeah huh five ninety. Five that's shipping right. NOW
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 4: i mean you can't even.
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 2: Ship what a cool looking. Release imagine what a gangstreet
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 2: you have to be to use that.
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 4: Today, YEAH i wonder if you GET i love all
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 4: this stuff.
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: Though look at that one up there in nineteen seventy,
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 2: seven a seer type. Release go, UP i was looking
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 2: with all the. Girls yeah that's what you get, that.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 4: Honey look at.
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 2: This this is the first hinge style. Release, yeah so
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 2: this is in the. Seventies. Huh look out where that thing. Looks.
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah it was always hard to get a consistent release with,
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 3: fingers right of.
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 4: Course, Yeah, no your fingers get cold and ship's.
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 2: Wet totally makes.
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 4: Sense, yeah well let's look at the other ones real.
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 3: Quick there was always a big fight In australia whenever
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 3: something new come, in like sights.
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 4: On a bat to that Guy Terry ra with the,
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 4: Girls yeah he. Was he shot p. S, yeah he's a.
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 4: Legend look at.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: The girls are on their. Knees oh my, god you
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 2: shoot that stick so.
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 4: Good and that's still how it is pretty much that.
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 2: Wait they hop out of the. Trees there he.
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 4: Was he was a. STUD i Remember terry And Michelle.
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 4: Ragsdale look at that D D. Wild, yeah he was
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 4: the wild thing WHEN i first. Started he was the.
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 2: Man oh that one has a. Trigger that might be
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 2: one of the first ones with the. Trigger see that
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 2: one's with a. String like if you would buy Old carter,
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 2: releases they would come some of the releases would come
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 2: with like a little. String, yeah it was. WEIRD i was,
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 2: like what is this fucking stupid string? FOR i never get.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: IT i never even asked. Anybody really, no it's just
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 2: like it didn't make.
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 4: SENSE i see. THAT i remember that has two, thousands
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 4: so that's getting.
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 3: Newer the wind.
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 2: Release that's. Nuts, yeah there's an over draw up.
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 3: There yeah? Cool right?
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 4: Wow, yeah so that it's a did.
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 2: Nineteen Ninety look at that funk you looking one with?
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 2: Wood that's kind of cool. Looking that doesn't so it
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 2: gets as a thumb button it must be yeah right
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 2: yeah wow. Wow and see some of them have strings.
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 2: Yep so in case people were like old, school yeah pretty.
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 7: Cool.
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 2: Wow so how would you when you first, started how
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 2: would you measure? Distance would was it all just in
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 2: your mind instinct, instinct just like throwing a.
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 4: Ball, Yeah so you just have to you, know it's
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 4: just like now they have unmarked THREE d tournaments where
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 4: they don't have. It you just have to get out
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 4: there and kind of. Judge it was definitely harder back
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 4: then because the bows weren't as, fast so you're you
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 4: could only be off by like a yard or two
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 4: or you'd. Miss, now with a, faster flatter shooting, bow
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 4: you can be. Off you can't be off by five yards.
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 2: After people don't know what we're talking. About the slower
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 2: the bow, is the more it's going to, drop but
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 2: by the time it gets to, target the faster the bow,
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 2: is the flatter it's going to.
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 3: SHOOT i learn your cast on the bar, too so
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 3: you never wanted to get rid of that. Bar you
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 3: would literally learn the cost of an.
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 4: Arrow that's What adam's talking, about is the. Trajectory so
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 4: we used to practice this all the. Time like you'd
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 4: have a target out there at sixty, yards but halfway
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 4: in between you and the, target you couldn't even see the.
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 4: Target so you'd put like you could put a, car
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 4: and so you're looking through the car window because you
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 4: can see through the glass and line of sight you're
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 4: going to go right, through break the windows and everything.
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 4: Else but you just know that at sixty yards that
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 4: arrow is going to be ten yards above that car halfway,
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 4: there so at thirty yards the arrow has to go
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 4: up to come down at sixty so you could just
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 4: aim right at to, car arrow's going right over. It
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 4: so we do stuff like that just for.
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 2: Fun to figure out the ark of the, era, Right.
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 4: But not even that was like it just an elementary,
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 4: example just so people could get What i'm. Saying but
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 4: when we'd get in the, woods then there'd be a.
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 4: Branch LIKE i, SAID i shot With Levan. Morgan he
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 4: came out and did lift and. Shoot i'm, like, Okay
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 4: i'm going to beat this. Fucker he's, sixteen seventeen times world.
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 4: Champions SO i had all these shots where it's, like,
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 4: okay this branch is he going to? Know this one
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 4: shot was LIKE i think it was ninety some yards
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 4: at a deer up on the, hill but there's this
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 4: big branch halfway in between, it AND i knew it
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 4: was kind of hard to tell is your arrow going
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 4: to go over it or under?
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 7: It?
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 4: Right because you didn't know. THAT i think it was
• 2:13:27
  Speaker 4: about twenty five yards. AWAY i knew what my arrow
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 4: was going to do BECAUSE i practiced over and over
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 4: and over And i'm gonna be, like, Oh levi's gonna
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 4: fuck this one. Up for, Sure i'll beat him on this.
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 4: Target sure, shit he knew exactly what his arrow was
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 4: going to. Do but that's he practices that all the
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 4: time and done it his whole. Life and this and,
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 4: that but just fun games like. That and it was
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 4: only just to make us because when you're, hunting that
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 4: shit happens all the. Time but WHERE i would kind
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 4: of screw myself up IS i love the challenge of
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 4: shots so, Much like AND i shot between trees so
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 4: often because that was like my. THING i could just
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 4: like even it was just like like four. Inches i'd be, like.
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 3: OH i could.
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 4: Look so WHEN i was, hunting if i'd see a
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 4: challenging shot on an, Animal i'd be like WHERE i
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 4: could have maybe taken a step to the right and
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 4: got wide. Open i'd be, LIKE i can make the,
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 4: shot and like fucking up like making my hunting shot more.
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 4: Challenging BECAUSE i was just young and an. Idiot now
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 4: i'd be, like be, STUPID i just go right here and.
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 3: Shoot BUT i would do.
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 4: That but we'd practice that all the time because it was.
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 4: Fun and then you'd like have you'd want your? CAR
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 4: i MEAN i had so much confidence in. SHOOTING i
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 4: would shoot hours and hours and hours every. DAY i
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 4: remember one time we're at This. Hintson's, uh these guys
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 4: who used to bow hunt with, Us me And roy
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 4: were there and there's a bail out there seventy some
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 4: yards and then a piece of foam that was like
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 4: a broadhead. Target used to be just a square piece
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 4: of foam like two inch maybe maybe three inches, wide
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 4: but like by two foot and that was your broadhead
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 4: target and that would stop an arrow with the broadhead
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 4: arient just that two or three inches of. Foam, well
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 4: the foam, target the broadhead target was laying flat on
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 4: the bail at seventy, yards so it was only like two.
• 2:15:17
  Speaker 4: Inches and we'd like have these competition all the. Time i'm,
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 4: LIKE i, said see that broad target on the cedar. Bail,
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah i'm going to hit that broadhead, target AND i
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 4: would hit. It so we were the best shots ever
• 2:15:30
  Speaker 4: with no. Rangefinders so Then bushnell finally came up with
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 4: a rangefinder and it was like a kind of like a,
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 4: yes like a, yeah kind of longer like an eight
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 4: track tape almost like sort of, size and then it
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 4: had a dial on it and the images it would
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 4: be off and then if you lined up the image like,
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 4: this that would be you look at the then you
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 4: look at it wherever that image lined, up that'd be the.
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 4: Yardage so then you'd be, like, okay that's as close
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 4: to fifty. Yards then you notice shoot for Fifty but
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 4: it wasn't very. Accurate it was.
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 2: Close and did you have a site? Tape you had?
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 4: Pins you had? Pins, yeah the deciits didn't move, it so.
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 2: Your pins would be set up at like twenty, thirty
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 2: forty fifty something like.
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 4: That, yeah and they just had like we called them
• 2:16:17
  Speaker 4: t Dot so it was like a little plastic sort
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 4: of like, fiber but it's like red plastic that would
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 4: sort of like have light on, it like a little
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 4: just a.
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 3: Little lights or anything that was.
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 4: A, fiber but it would light up a little because
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 4: it's red. Plastic.
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 2: YEAH i heard people talking about this the other. Day
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 2: they were talking About Josh jones and That josh And
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: tim's fireside. Chat, yeah it's a great. Podcast, yeah but
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 2: they were talking about how a sight that you buy
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 2: today for like twenty five bucks is so superior to
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 2: anything that existed in like nineteen. Ninety, yeah like.
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 3: Still fiber, optjoyable it still might have a lot more.
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 3: Successful it's like it was still a big advance at that. Time,
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 3: yes but to think about where it is.
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 2: Now, well the garment, site LIKE i was telling you
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 2: about that THAT i it had a few. Flaws ONE
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 2: i had one that worked, perfectly and THEN i had
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 2: a second. One you know when you get you one
• 2:17:15
  Speaker 2: of the things that you, said when you get a new,
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 2: bow you don't want to put old shit on, this
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 2: you want to put new. SHIT i LIKE i did that,
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 2: too but unfortunately my first garment site worked. Perfectly my
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 2: second one didn't work so. Good like there would be
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 2: times where it worked perfectly and then times WHERE i
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 2: couldn't get a. Range i'd press, it it wouldn't, go
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 2: AND i had full, Drop press it won't, go press
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 2: it won't. Go press it, finally but when it does,
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 2: work you get this like a red. Dot you get
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 2: a clear screen and on that screen is a red.
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 2: Dot no, pins no, wires no, Nothing and, OH i
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 2: love it when it worked perfect because then, say if
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 2: you hit an elk at fifty yards and then he
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 2: stands out at eighty and he's still standing a, broadside
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 2: you don't have to. Rerange you just press a button
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 2: on your on your grip and it instantly gives you
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 2: a New.
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 4: YEAH i think we talked about this, before AND i
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 4: THINK i mentioned that the goal is to try to
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 4: protect their integrity of, archery like keeping it. Primitive so it's,
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 4: like where's that line right In? Utah In, utah they
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 4: decided that that garment site was past the line of,
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 4: primitive you, know so we want to we want to
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 4: honor archery in the history of, archery and, yes there's been,
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 4: advancements but it's always it's a it's a moving target
• 2:18:26
  Speaker 4: on where the line is to keep it.
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 2: PRIMITIVE i get. It but if you've EVER i don't
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 2: THINK i think it's ignorant BECAUSE i think if you
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 2: use one of those, things you, realize like all it's
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 2: doing is taking a step. Away it's still the same exact.
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 2: Thing you're range finding either, way and then you're dialing
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 2: to fifty yards and whatever you know you have to
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 2: do to execute the shot. Then but this way you're
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 2: a full draw and the range finding is a part of.
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 2: That it's just. Smarter if it worked, perfectly it's. Smarter
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 2: AND i think they're gonna get, better And i'm sure
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 2: the software is. BETTER i haven't used it in two,
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 2: years but when it, worked it was. Amazing it's, like
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 2: this is really what you. Want what you want is
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 2: to absolutely know the exact distance so you can make
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 2: an ethical. Shot so if you range at, fifteen then
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 2: he takes a few steps and then you're guessing because
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 2: you can't. Rerange, look we already have a less than
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 2: ten percent success rate. Anyway it's not like everyone who
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 2: gets a tag is going to get AN. Elk it's
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 2: a small number of people that are really successful all the.
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 2: Time but that would keep you from, wounding and that
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 2: should be our. Goal, well, WAYS i don't think IT'S
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 2: i don't think it's any. Easier it's just more.
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 3: EFFECTIVE i think there's more room for error in, it,
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 3: though isn't, there because like my binoculars are the range,
• 2:19:42
  Speaker 3: finder SO i can definitely get the dot one hundred
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 3: percent on the, Animal WHEREAS i think with those sites
• 2:19:48
  Speaker 3: it's a little bit more difficult to definitely be ranging
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 3: that animal and not a branch five yards behind it
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 3: or five.
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 2: Now when you're at full. Draw, no they're really. Good
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 2: so when you're at full, draw when it at full,
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 2: draw you're, steady like your, pin, Right so you're you
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 2: have a target and the target is like this little
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 2: red thing and when you put it on there and
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 2: then you press the, button then it gives you your.
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 4: Pin, like, yeah, well what if you're not on? It
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 4: what if you're, like because you said it would eliminate,
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 4: wounding which it.
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 2: Would, No, no IT'S i didn't say to eliminate. Wounding
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 2: IF i, DID i. Misspoke WHAT i meant was you're
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 2: gonna get less of that because you're gonna have more
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 2: effective exact, ranges.
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 4: Right but you said like if you needed a follow up,
• 2:20:30
  Speaker 4: shot that's where people we know adrenaline goes crazies for
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 4: sure after the first. Shot so if they're wound up
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 4: and they're shooting too quickly because that site allows, it
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 4: would that could that be a? Negative but it's.
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 2: A follow up. Shot, yeah why are you shooting too?
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 2: Quickly that's a mind management, thing you. Know you should
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 2: figure out how to manage your mind and calm yourself
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 2: down and make that. Shot you wouldn't freak out on
• 2:20:53
  Speaker 2: a second. SHOT i wouldn't that, Right that's What i'm.
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 2: Saying and if you had that and you could count
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 2: on it the same way you count on your range,
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 2: finder that would be the best thing for, everybody best
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 2: thing for the, animal best thing for, you best thing for.
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 2: Everybody this is some more and it's a way better site.
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 2: Picture the site picture is. Amazing it's a red. Dot
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 2: it's just like a red, pistol you, know a red
• 2:21:13
  Speaker 2: dot on a. Pistol that's what it looks. Like that
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 2: is just sitting there and you're Not you just can
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 2: put it right on the vitals and it's a beautiful
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 2: feeling when you watch through that range through that range finding,
• 2:21:24
  Speaker 2: site and you put that pin on and then the arrow,
• 2:21:27
  Speaker 2: releases and then you watch that arrow sore and bunk
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 2: right in.
• 2:21:30
  Speaker 4: There oh, yeah.
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 3: It's.
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 4: NICE i don't doubt. That i'm Just del's, advocate BUT
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 4: i get.
• 2:21:38
  Speaker 2: It, Look i'm a fan of like a company that
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 2: does something like. That i'm a fan of GAR i,
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 2: Mean i've got A garment watch on right. Now i'm
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 2: a fan Of garment. Period they make awesome. Shit they
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 2: make awesome range FINDING i mean AWESOME gps, equipment they
• 2:21:49
  Speaker 2: make awesome, watches they make great ship they make great
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 2: the chest, straps the workout, things they make awesome. Stuff
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 2: So i'm just happy that someone put the research and
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 2: development and the money that must have taken to put
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 2: together a fucking range finding binocular range finding site rather
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 2: that actually.
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 3: Works, YEAH i.
• 2:22:10
  Speaker 4: AGREE i, MEAN i just want a better.
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 2: ONE i want it, PERFECT i want it like MY
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 2: i have. That one of the things THAT i fucking.
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 2: LOVE i have a loophole full draw. Five that's my
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 2: favorite rangefinder of all time because it gives you the
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 2: arc of the arrow at its. Peak that is so
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 2: hugel AND i used it to kill a bull once
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 2: because and WHEN i had that garment. Site in, fact
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 2: BECAUSE i had the garment site AND i ranged this
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 2: elk and it was at fifty yards but there was
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 2: a hole only like this WHERE i could shoot. Through
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 2: AND i was, like, OH i don't. Know so THEN
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 2: i pull out the loophole AND i hit the button
• 2:22:46
  Speaker 2: AND i see the exact arc of the arrow where
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 2: it's going to be at its, height and its height
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 2: was six inches below those. Branches i'm, like we're, good we're,
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 2: Good so just keep the pin on. Them and it was.
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 2: Perfect see that. Thing ah fucking love that. Thing that
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 2: thing's so. Huge so you know exactly what, right there's
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 2: a little sketch right because that could hit it on
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 2: the way. In, Right so that's the height of your.
• 2:23:07
  Speaker 2: Arrow but that doesn't mean where's that. Tree, yeah like
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 2: that tree might be twenty yards ahead of. You you might
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 2: smack right into that fucking, Thing so you have to
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 2: take that into. Consideration but having that extra indication of the,
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 2: height the high point of the arrow.
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 4: Huge on, this it's. Huge you just take a step
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 4: to the left. Exactly then you or if you're me
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 4: WHEN i was, younger you just shut or would.
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 2: You get on your. Knees, yeah excuse the, shot but
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 2: it's like having that. Knowledge what it's going to keep
• 2:23:35
  Speaker 2: is that arrow whacking that branch and then sticking in
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 2: his ass and wounding. Him you, know whereas you might
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 2: have made a perfect, release but because of that high
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 2: point of the arrow, indication now you know and you
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 2: can make a more educated. Decision it's all about making
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 2: the ethical. Shot and so for, me anything that allows
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 2: you it's still going to be really fucking hard to.
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 2: Do it's always.
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 4: Hard here's, here, okay So i'll just do a list real.
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 4: Quick the biggest help in bow hunting has been the laser.
• 2:24:07
  Speaker 4: Rangefinder that that changed the game definitely. Now that was
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 4: back in the. Day now site tapes, now, well some, people,
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 4: yeah some some people don't do well site tapes in
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 4: the heat of the moment as far as dialing the site,
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 4: right but it can Make it's made me more accurate
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 4: at longer range for, sure to be able to dial
• 2:24:25
  Speaker 4: the site and hold right on right, now so that
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 4: a positive has been ON x or the mapping system
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 4: as far as for hunting the. Mountains that has helped
• 2:24:34
  Speaker 4: so many people and so much. Confidence, Huge that's a giant.
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 4: One it's, like that's one reason why the back country
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 4: definitely has more people in, it because more people are.
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 4: Confident it used to be like used to have to
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 4: read a seven point five minute per angle topo. Map
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 4: you don't have to do that shit anymore so now
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 4: and you don't have to figure out where your car is.
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 4: Anymore you put the you mark your, Car you're good to.
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 4: Go that's been. Huge there's a huge negative not too
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 4: many people are talking. About and it's it's uh using
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 4: optics with uh they pick up heat. Signature what are those?
• 2:25:11
  Speaker 3: Called? Thermals?
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, those. Dude it's not good for, hunting you. Don't
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 4: so glassing is an. Art we've talked about glass and
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 4: having good glass and. Movement glassing is an. Art these
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 4: thermal optics you don't have to be good at. Anything
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 4: you put them up and it tells you where the animal.
• 2:25:31
  Speaker 4: Is So i've never even used, one But i've talked
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 4: to guys who have used them AND i AND i
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 4: know that it's not great because what would take hours
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 4: to glass and you probably would, miss you, know a
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 4: betted meal to your back five. Minutes you know where
• 2:25:44
  Speaker 4: every animal is on that.
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 2: Hill that's there's a good, argument that's too, Far.
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 4: That is that is way too?
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 2: Far and is that legal in most?
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 4: States it hasn't even hardly been. Covered it's kind of
• 2:25:55
  Speaker 4: a new technology that they don't even address, really But
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 4: i'm saying it. IS i hope, so because it needs
• 2:26:01
  Speaker 4: to be outlawed. Everywhere it's a good. Point so many
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 4: big animals are getting killed that shouldn't be getting killed
• 2:26:07
  Speaker 4: right now by guys using. Thermals and is it a
• 2:26:11
  Speaker 4: loophole or are they doing it when they shouldn't be
• 2:26:13
  Speaker 4: doing it in some? States or is it because to
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 4: catch people's? Tough you, know hunting is about, honor honor and.
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 4: Respect it's what we talk. About we police. Ourselves we
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 4: do it, right you. KNOW i, mean, yeah there's people
• 2:26:25
  Speaker 4: who get busted for doing, shit but most people are
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 4: just out there policing.
• 2:26:28
  Speaker 2: Ourselves, well it's because they want that same respect that
• 2:26:32
  Speaker 2: you talked about. It What's holiday's first name, Again Cal,
• 2:26:36
  Speaker 2: Holiday Cal. Holiday, yeah when you talk about that guy
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 2: they want you to talk about every man wants you
• 2:26:41
  Speaker 2: to talk about him like. That he's not around like,
• 2:26:44
  Speaker 2: that and they're not going to if you're right in
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 2: corners and you're using some shit you're not supposed to or.
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 2: That what is the law on that, though because like
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 2: every state has different, laws, right Like nevada you're allowed
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 2: to use walkie talkies and at least you used to
• 2:26:57
  Speaker 2: be able. To we can tell, people, hey it's, right.
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 3: Barbe it's a little bit probably like the a bloc
• 2:27:01
  Speaker 3: thing where it's so fresh that they haven't come up
• 2:27:04
  Speaker 3: with you can or you. Can't right, now it's a,
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 3: Bicycle no it's. Not it's a. Motorcycle it's, optics no it's,
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 3: not it's. Thermals, right, yeah.
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 2: Let's see what the laws. Are put put that into.
• 2:27:15
  Speaker 2: Perplexity what are the? Laws what states allow thermal binoculars for?
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 2: Hunting thermal scopes are not universally allowed for? Hunting, yeah
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 2: but not thermal. Scopes thermal, binoculars, yeah.
• 2:27:30
  Speaker 4: Thermal optics down below right? There In europe owning thermal optics, Often.
• 2:27:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah but what about In? America what In? America what
• 2:27:38
  Speaker 2: states allow thermal binoculars for? Hunting put that in. There not.
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 2: Scopes that's the. Problem it's the word scope is for
• 2:27:47
  Speaker 2: a rifle scope. Binoculars let's see how crazy is THIS
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 2: ai where it just does this and immediately gives you the.
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 2: Answer thermal imaging, devices including binoculars and, monoculars are legal
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 2: to own in The United, states and many states allow
• 2:28:05
  Speaker 2: them in some hunting, context especially predators or nuisance species
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 2: like hogs or. Coyotes, however several states either completely banned
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 2: thermal for any hunting or banned profession possession rather use
• 2:28:18
  Speaker 2: the thermal devices while taking or locating, wildlife so examples
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 2: of state. Rules some states explicitly allow thermal optics for night.
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 2: Hunting for, Example, Texas, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Missouri Papa PAPA
• 2:28:28
  Speaker 2: ba authorized thermal devices for specific predator or invasive species
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 2: hunts in their twenty twenty five. Regulations other, states such As, Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii,
• 2:28:39
  Speaker 2: Nevada New, Mexico, Oregon, tennessee prohibit thermal optics for hunting
• 2:28:42
  Speaker 2: wildlife altogether or for most game. Species so a lot of,
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 2: states so it seems like a few states are on
• 2:28:49
  Speaker 2: the ball with.
• 2:28:50
  Speaker 4: This, YEAH i mean it's a big deal because those
• 2:28:53
  Speaker 4: animals to get to trophy. Status for these, animals they're,
• 2:28:57
  Speaker 4: old they've, survived they know what it, takes they've they've done.
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 4: It they've they've outwitted hunters for years and now in
• 2:29:05
  Speaker 4: their best bed where a man would never be able
• 2:29:09
  Speaker 4: to find them by glassing those that behind. It it's
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 4: not it's not, hunting it's not, right it's not. Us
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 4: it's not the art of, glassing which is what you,
• 2:29:20
  Speaker 4: know how we've developed these. Skills it's using technology that makes.
• 2:29:25
  Speaker 2: Sense it makes sense because it's like you're you're saying
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 2: there is a, line you, know and then you you
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 2: are actively campaigning for something that's going to make your
• 2:29:33
  Speaker 2: job easier to go.
• 2:29:34
  Speaker 4: Away, YEAH i wanted. TO i wanted to keep keep
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 4: the challenge.
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 2: There, well it's also what you said when you like
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 2: you said in the town you grew, up if you
• 2:29:41
  Speaker 2: killed a big, buck like people respected. You why because
• 2:29:44
  Speaker 2: that's really hard to.
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 7: Do.
• 2:29:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah those big old bucks are fucking smart and they
• 2:29:49
  Speaker 2: are tuned. In, man they hear a branch snap and
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 2: it's like this.
• 2:29:54
  Speaker 3: Reason, yeah, yeah it's.
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 4: Uh AND i know In utah is going down this
• 2:30:00
  Speaker 4: creek this year AND i saw like there's some there's
• 2:30:05
  Speaker 4: some cedar, trees like a kind of a patch of them,
• 2:30:07
  Speaker 4: there but basically there's a tunnel in there and then
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 4: a deer bed and like you couldn't see it from,
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 4: anywhere AND i was, thinking, man if the buck was better,
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 4: there you'd have no, idea, right and but you would
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 4: now if you had the. Thermooptics and that's, like that
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 4: was a perfect example of a buck that found that.
• 2:30:24
  Speaker 4: Bed that's altay safe and that's how we. Survived now
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 4: that that taking that, Away, yeah that's there's probably trad.
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 3: Guys listening to this. PODCAST i don't think.
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 2: For people that don't know what that. Means trad guys
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 2: are guys who hunt with a regular old school bow and,
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 2: arrow like a recurve. Bow they's a. Challenge they're just
• 2:30:44
  Speaker 2: guessing where that arrow is going to. Go you, know
• 2:30:47
  Speaker 2: well hopefully, practice oh, yeah the, practice but there is
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of. Guessing you're guessing the, yardage you're guessing
• 2:30:54
  Speaker 2: where your arrow's going to, hit you. KNOW i mean
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 2: some of those guys that trad boat, hunt do they use? Range? Find,
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 2: no none of. Them so all of them are just
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 2: guess INSTINCT a couple of instinct is it because it's
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 2: like when you throw a, rock is that? Guessing, no it's, instinct, right.
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah it's just like to get good at pitching a, baseball,
• 2:31:13
  Speaker 4: right you, KNOW i mean it's the. Same some people
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 4: are really.
• 2:31:15
  Speaker 2: Good except the pitcher's mound and the batter's box at
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 2: the same distance every.
• 2:31:20
  Speaker 3: Time that's.
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 2: True, yeah that's the.
• 2:31:22
  Speaker 3: Difference, well you're, disciplined you would know that it's under
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 3: twenty yardds every, time and that's who you.
• 2:31:26
  Speaker 2: Take, yeah but there's a lot of guys that can
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 2: take a poke with a recurve. Bow, yeah you, know
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 2: pretty accurate with. It like they have some different ways of,
• 2:31:35
  Speaker 2: measuring like where the tip of it is forty Yards
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 2: they know that that's when it's gonna hit dead. On,
• 2:31:40
  Speaker 2: yeah they look down the arrow instead of like we
• 2:31:43
  Speaker 2: do through a people they're looking down the shaft of the.
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 2: Arrow they are called squirrely and shit like. This some
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 2: people look so squirrely they.
• 2:31:50
  Speaker 4: Put it on their eye or they put it here
• 2:31:52
  Speaker 4: and they use at the point of the arrow as you.
• 2:31:54
  Speaker 4: Said but, yeah it's like most people, Though like you
• 2:31:58
  Speaker 4: talk about, discipline Like i'm going to. Shoo if it's
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 4: twenty yards or, less that's only TIME i canna, shoot
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 4: unless it's. HUGE i had once it was the biggest
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 4: thing of the Bull i've ever. SEEN i had to.
• 2:32:12
  Speaker 2: Shoot sometimes you think you see things and you're, like
• 2:32:15
  Speaker 2: how DO i get to? That how DO i find?
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 2: Them even if it's far?
• 2:32:18
  Speaker 4: Away, yeah normally like you see. Stuff here's what be
• 2:32:23
  Speaker 4: the technology that would really hurt because you see something
• 2:32:26
  Speaker 4: a mile away and you know that animal's. There IF
• 2:32:29
  Speaker 4: i could just get to that tree, line if you
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 4: could just be, there.
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah well that's where those long range rifle, guys that's
• 2:32:36
  Speaker 2: a whole different.
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 3: Argument.
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 2: Rights some of those guys they'll take a poke seven
• 2:32:41
  Speaker 2: nine hundred, yards you, know and they're real accurate with.
• 2:32:44
  Speaker 4: It these guys are so, good like they're shooting, yeah
• 2:32:48
  Speaker 4: and that's that's a whole another.
• 2:32:49
  Speaker 2: They're taking into account the wind across the. Canyon AND
• 2:32:53
  Speaker 2: i saw this.
• 2:32:54
  Speaker 4: Guy i'm pretty sure the other tanner has showing me
• 2:32:56
  Speaker 4: this because you, know so much waste of time shit On,
• 2:33:00
  Speaker 4: Instagram but this was kind of. Cool he was shooting
• 2:33:03
  Speaker 4: so far and he's so, good so he's prone, down
• 2:33:06
  Speaker 4: had his long range dollar, shit all everything they, do
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 4: it's that's a whole. Art but, anyway he shot AND
• 2:33:13
  Speaker 4: i think he was IF i remember, right he shot
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 4: and it was so. Far he put another shell in
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 4: and got another bullet on the. Way they both hit.
• 2:33:21
  Speaker 4: Steel that's. Crazy they both hit.
• 2:33:24
  Speaker 2: Steel he racked another round in in the time it
• 2:33:30
  Speaker 2: took for the bullet to get.
• 2:33:31
  Speaker 4: There, yes and sent the other one on the, way
• 2:33:33
  Speaker 4: and so it was like a dong.
• 2:33:35
  Speaker 2: Dong that's.
• 2:33:36
  Speaker 4: Crazy, yeah, guy this guy's a. Machine THOUGH i WISH
• 2:33:40
  Speaker 4: i could remember the fucking. Page but guy's a. Machine
• 2:33:43
  Speaker 4: because you can see he's down in his gun just
• 2:33:46
  Speaker 4: like fucking in and still on that. Scope didn't even move.
• 2:33:49
  Speaker 2: Boom that's a whole nother art for, him you, know
• 2:33:53
  Speaker 2: that's a whole nother keeping your shit. Together crazy long range.
• 2:33:56
  Speaker 2: SHOOTING i know a lot of guys that get Into
• 2:33:58
  Speaker 2: my Friend justin got really in. That once you get
• 2:34:01
  Speaker 2: into long range, shooting you start just fucking craving. It
• 2:34:04
  Speaker 2: they just want to hit that steel at fifteen hundred.
• 2:34:07
  Speaker 2: Yards it's. Nuts some of these. Guys they shoot. Insane,
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 2: like what is the record for the longest shot ever
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 2: taken in a competition like those long range. Competitions what
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 2: do you think it?
• 2:34:19
  Speaker 4: Is H i, mean it's two thousand yards for? Sure, really,
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 4: yeah that's so. CRAZY i would think people are shooting
• 2:34:29
  Speaker 4: at two Thousand, yeah.
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 3: You two point four? Miles?
• 2:34:34
  Speaker 4: Wow? Wait really DID i say? Yard what DID i?
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 4: Mean DID i mean? Yards? Yeah many?
• 2:34:39
  Speaker 3: Yards he almost nailed?
• 2:34:40
  Speaker 2: It what is?
• 2:34:41
  Speaker 6: It t?
• 2:34:42
  Speaker 3: Actually? Yeah? Yeah?
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 2: Wow look how did you get? Motherfucker?
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 4: You?
• 2:34:47
  Speaker 2: Look how could you In australia not allowed to know this?
• 2:34:51
  Speaker 8: Information if you even search this, online at least show
• 2:34:55
  Speaker 8: up at your. Door holy four thousand and twenty four
• 2:35:00
  Speaker 8: yard shot at The. Clark this guy Was Robert brantley
• 2:35:05
  Speaker 8: at The clark's Knob EL r match In, kansas described
• 2:35:08
  Speaker 8: as a new world record in long range shooting achieved
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 8: under match.
• 2:35:12
  Speaker 2: Conditions that's. Incredible that is so crazy.
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 3: On competition almost double look at.
• 2:35:18
  Speaker 2: That oh my. God in twenty twenty, two my iomi
• 2:35:21
  Speaker 2: a team record a four point four, mile seven, thousand
• 2:35:24
  Speaker 2: seven hundred and forty four yard hit on steel after
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 2: dozens of. Tries whoa. Wow but not a standard scored competition. Stage.
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 4: Wow the problem is guys see that like four point four,
• 2:35:40
  Speaker 4: miles are, like, OH i could shoot it a thousand yards.
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 2: Then, right look at that.
• 2:35:43
  Speaker 3: Thing they never fucking.
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 2: Practice, yeah these, GUYS i mean the amount of no
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 2: moving you have to.
• 2:35:51
  Speaker 4: Know oh my, god, dude it's crazy but, yeah the
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 4: guy out there with Their Buy mart thirty, six do
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 4: they you got you guys have Buy martz.
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 2: Here we heard of By. Mark it's a Buy. Mart
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 2: it's a.
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 4: Store oh, no like a sporting good store by or
• 2:36:04
  Speaker 4: not a sporting. Is but, anyway like they got their you,
• 2:36:07
  Speaker 4: know two hundred and fifty dollars rifle From Buy mart
• 2:36:09
  Speaker 4: thirty six and they're like they see that and they're,
• 2:36:12
  Speaker 4: like oh, shit THEN i could shoot it six hundred.
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 4: Yards they shoot a four point four.
• 2:36:17
  Speaker 3: Miles that's the.
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 2: Problem that's part of the.
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 4: Problem but people say that about me. Too it's, like,
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 4: oh people will SAY i always talk about shooting animals
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 4: at one hundred, yards WHICH i have never one, Time but,
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 4: YEAH i practice a long. Range but they try to
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 4: lump me in Like I'm i'm ruining and promoting long range.
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 3: Shooting now you're just amplifying if you're off at, all you,
• 2:36:38
  Speaker 3: know or it's in. Practice, yeah, no it's.
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 4: Great WHAT i always said.
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 3: Is the rifle for the four point four.
• 2:36:43
  Speaker 2: Miles, whoa look at.
• 2:36:44
  Speaker 4: That fuckers are heavy. Too oh, yeah look at.
• 2:36:47
  Speaker 3: IT i mean it looks like the long. Bow it
• 2:36:49
  Speaker 3: just needs a string.
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 2: On like a. Barbell it's.
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 4: PROBABLY i, MEAN i bet it's thirty forty. POUNDS i don't.
• 2:36:55
  Speaker 4: Know does it say the weight on those?
• 2:36:57
  Speaker 2: Things look at the size of the. Gun look at
• 2:36:59
  Speaker 2: the that's. Nuts, yeah first confirmed and verified world. Record.
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, wow this isn't the actual and this is twenty.
• 2:37:09
  Speaker 3: Eighteen that shot was taken in twenty twenty.
• 2:37:10
  Speaker 2: Two oh so is it does a world record before
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 2: the world?
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 7: Record?
• 2:37:15
  Speaker 3: Wow, YEAH i get IF i touched the.
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 4: GUN i know those guns are.
• 2:37:18
  Speaker 2: Heavy that's the government tells you you don't want to
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 2: touch a, gun you might GET.
• 2:37:25
  Speaker 3: Aids it's exactly what we.
• 2:37:27
  Speaker 4: Say it's only if you stick it up your.
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 2: ASS i guess now you gotta stick it up your
• 2:37:30
  Speaker 2: ass after somebody's tuck it up their, ass all, Right,
• 2:37:33
  Speaker 2: yeah you gotta get a. Second it's like dirty. NEEDLES i.
• 2:37:35
  Speaker 4: Hate, yeah that's but that's the other.
• 2:37:41
  Speaker 2: Thing it's, like you, know like the bow hunters look
• 2:37:44
  Speaker 2: at rifle hunters, like oh that's kind of. Easy traditional
• 2:37:46
  Speaker 2: hunters look at compound, hunters and then there's guys out
• 2:37:50
  Speaker 2: THERE i use a fucking, spear you, KNOW a, yeah for,
• 2:37:55
  Speaker 2: sure as long as you're, ethical as long as you
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 2: could do IT i, Mean i'm sure there's probably some
• 2:38:00
  Speaker 2: guy out there that knows how to hit a target
• 2:38:01
  Speaker 2: with an, adeladdle you, know.
• 2:38:03
  Speaker 4: PROBABLY i, MEAN i If i'm using a, SPEAR i
• 2:38:06
  Speaker 4: don't do anything past three.
• 2:38:08
  Speaker 2: Yards that's, like try to figure, out did you Really Oh,
• 2:38:18
  Speaker 2: god probably edited that. Out we were trying To we
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 2: were trying to figure out the other, day like when
• 2:38:27
  Speaker 2: the actual bow and arrow was, invented and it's kind
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 2: of difficult to track, down but it. Seemed the weird
• 2:38:33
  Speaker 2: thing is it seems to have been invented or at
• 2:38:36
  Speaker 2: least seems to exist simultaneously at many spots all over
• 2:38:40
  Speaker 2: the world at the same, time which is really. Interesting
• 2:38:44
  Speaker 2: it makes you, think, LIKE i, wonder we really don't
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 2: know how much people were traveling back. Then we really,
• 2:38:51
  Speaker 2: don't so there's a lot of. Guessing and they keep pushing.
• 2:38:54
  Speaker 2: Back maritime, travel they keep pushing back like the age
• 2:38:58
  Speaker 2: of what when the first maybe even primitive, humans we're
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 2: using some sort of a raft to get across lakes
• 2:39:04
  Speaker 2: and rivers and maybe even. Oceans but you, know sharing
• 2:39:09
  Speaker 2: that information like who is the wizard that looked at
• 2:39:12
  Speaker 2: a stick and, goes IF i can just put one
• 2:39:15
  Speaker 2: of these fucking things in the end of that.
• 2:39:17
  Speaker 3: Stick, Cool and that's a good.
• 2:39:18
  Speaker 4: One why do you have?
• 2:39:19
  Speaker 2: THAT i always have. That it's always sitting right.
• 2:39:21
  Speaker 4: Here oh the head in your? POCKET i did because they.
• 2:39:24
  Speaker 2: Put it in my pocket sometimes When i'm fiddling with. It,
• 2:39:27
  Speaker 2: YEAH i play with that. Thing that's a real. One
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 2: that's from.
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 4: Here, whoa that's a good.
• 2:39:32
  Speaker 7: One.
• 2:39:32
  Speaker 3: YEAH i found one In New. Mexico that's a good.
• 2:39:35
  Speaker 2: One. Right remy said that one was probably used for.
• 2:39:37
  Speaker 2: Fish he, said because it's so. Big that was his. Guess.
• 2:39:40
  Speaker 2: Huh but maybe it might have been used for. BISON i,
• 2:39:43
  Speaker 2: MEAN i.
• 2:39:45
  Speaker 4: Mean it's NOT i mean it would cut. SOMETHING i
• 2:39:47
  Speaker 4: mean it's sort of.
• 2:39:48
  Speaker 2: Sharp, YEAH i mean as sharp as you can get.
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 2: It that's, cool, though it's not like modern. Broadheads modern
• 2:39:55
  Speaker 2: broadheads that you can shave your arm, with you, know they.
• 2:39:57
  Speaker 3: Cut your eyes when you look at.
• 2:39:58
  Speaker 2: Them, too, odd, Bro, yeah but that's what you, want you.
• 2:40:01
  Speaker 2: Know that's the other, thing, like is that Too is
• 2:40:04
  Speaker 2: that too? Good is that too? Easy? Too we should
• 2:40:06
  Speaker 2: go back to, flint go. Back maybe you should make
• 2:40:09
  Speaker 2: your own arrow. Hoods.
• 2:40:10
  Speaker 3: Pussy it was like hating.
• 2:40:14
  Speaker 4: He's a guy that, UH i who went to high
• 2:40:17
  Speaker 4: school with but he's he would, say his dad would
• 2:40:22
  Speaker 4: like shoot his arrows down the road to make. Him
• 2:40:25
  Speaker 4: he would like want to make the broadhead door so
• 2:40:29
  Speaker 4: it'd go in and rip a bigger. Hole what how he, Thought, yeah,
• 2:40:35
  Speaker 4: anyway people come up with some crazy.
• 2:40:37
  Speaker 2: Ship well if they don't. Know that's the one of
• 2:40:40
  Speaker 2: the things that's cool About WHEN i got into bow,
• 2:40:42
  Speaker 2: hunting and especially learning it from, YOU i already knew
• 2:40:45
  Speaker 2: so much just from talking to. You you you had
• 2:40:48
  Speaker 2: so much. INFORMATION i didn't have to like figure it
• 2:40:50
  Speaker 2: out nearly as. MUCH i, said to, listen you, know
• 2:40:53
  Speaker 2: like so many people have already figured out metal. Broadheads
• 2:40:56
  Speaker 2: like we were having a conversation about lighted knox this,
• 2:40:58
  Speaker 2: weekend And i'm, LIKE i Think i'm gonna stop using later. Knuts,
• 2:41:02
  Speaker 2: yeah sorry the weed and, NO i think you've got
• 2:41:05
  Speaker 2: a really good point like that additional ten greens at
• 2:41:07
  Speaker 2: the end can't be good for. Accuracy it just can't.
• 2:41:10
  Speaker 3: BE i think you've got to pick the situation. Though
• 2:41:12
  Speaker 3: and it's a little bit you, know like If i'm
• 2:41:15
  Speaker 3: going To arctic and there's no sunlight AND i want
• 2:41:18
  Speaker 3: to see where the arrow. Hits, okay a lighted knock's
• 2:41:20
  Speaker 3: gonna override the little bit of inconsistency because it's a dull.
• 2:41:25
  Speaker 2: Environment it's hard to. See it's almost like your dusk
• 2:41:28
  Speaker 2: all day.
• 2:41:28
  Speaker 3: Long, yeah AND i think like hunting pigs in their,
• 2:41:31
  Speaker 3: beds you, know you're under the, trees it's. Dark it
• 2:41:33
  Speaker 3: might come into play a little bit more. There but
• 2:41:36
  Speaker 3: if it's not, required then, yeah why interrupt even a
• 2:41:41
  Speaker 3: little bit of Accuracy because you get to a certain
• 2:41:43
  Speaker 3: point in bow hunting where we're talking about the arrow.
• 2:41:46
  Speaker 3: Shafts the better the, match greater arrow shaves you can.
• 2:41:49
  Speaker 3: Use you don't notice at the start with because you're just,
• 2:41:51
  Speaker 3: shooting you, know and you're not super, consistent you're not super,
• 2:41:54
  Speaker 3: accurate and then all those little things end up bringing
• 2:41:58
  Speaker 3: a group from that to, that and there's the difference
• 2:42:01
  Speaker 3: and you'll notice that at this point in your.
• 2:42:03
  Speaker 4: Archery.
• 2:42:04
  Speaker 2: Hmm, yeah it makes, Sense it totally makes. Sense but
• 2:42:07
  Speaker 2: it's just, again thank god somebody figured all this stuff.
• 2:42:10
  Speaker 2: Out if you had to come along and do it
• 2:42:13
  Speaker 2: all by, yourself, like.
• 2:42:14
  Speaker 3: Oh it was a hard learning, Curve like In australia
• 2:42:17
  Speaker 3: that were like we didn't have the sort of figures
• 2:42:21
  Speaker 3: and probably knowledge that you guys did because it's like
• 2:42:24
  Speaker 3: it's part of your, pastime, RIGHT i was talking To
• 2:42:27
  Speaker 3: evan about, This it's like part of The american pastime a,
• 2:42:32
  Speaker 3: bowhunter whereas In australia it's, not you, know and it's
• 2:42:35
  Speaker 3: not there's not all the information out, there and it
• 2:42:37
  Speaker 3: seemed Like australia was probably about ten years behind THE
• 2:42:40
  Speaker 3: us on sites release, aids the knowledge behind. It and,
• 2:42:47
  Speaker 3: YEAH i think the fact that you guys, have like
• 2:42:52
  Speaker 3: we're talking About Fred, baer you, know like paving the
• 2:42:55
  Speaker 3: way for bow hunting In, america and you, Know australia
• 2:42:58
  Speaker 3: has had its it's idols as well and people that
• 2:43:01
  Speaker 3: have paved the, way but a lot slower than. Here
• 2:43:06
  Speaker 3: to have all the knowledge for you to have someone
• 2:43:09
  Speaker 3: Like cam is absolutely brilliant because you are you've probably
• 2:43:14
  Speaker 3: made those mistakes yourself or learning. Yourself and then so
• 2:43:17
  Speaker 3: you go straight To joe and be like this is
• 2:43:19
  Speaker 3: a good, setup this, works this. Doesn't and then In
• 2:43:22
  Speaker 3: australia the first thing's all sold with target sites for bow,
• 2:43:25
  Speaker 3: hunting you, know and it's just like and we didn't
• 2:43:27
  Speaker 3: know any. Better so as well as wasting, time you
• 2:43:30
  Speaker 3: wasted a lot of. Money you wasted a lot of,
• 2:43:32
  Speaker 3: Effort you wasted a lot of, heartache you, know on
• 2:43:35
  Speaker 3: finding your way in bow.
• 2:43:36
  Speaker 2: Hunting, yeah and there's still guys right now that's shoot
• 2:43:39
  Speaker 2: instinctual with a.
• 2:43:40
  Speaker 4: Compound, yeah it's it's The internet has definitely helped educate.
• 2:43:46
  Speaker 4: People you. Know we used to have to learn it
• 2:43:48
  Speaker 4: all on our, own which is, LIKE i think To adam's,
• 2:43:50
  Speaker 4: point where it's nice when you have a resource or
• 2:43:53
  Speaker 4: a mentor a lot of the times we didn't have.
• 2:43:55
  Speaker 4: That we'd had, magazines we didn't have, internet so we
• 2:43:58
  Speaker 4: just have to figure it. Out but when we talk
• 2:44:01
  Speaker 4: about like the lighted lighted knocks, specifically you mentioned the.
• 2:44:05
  Speaker 4: Weight the weight is one, part but it's also the
• 2:44:07
  Speaker 4: inconsistency of having those electronics back there on the back
• 2:44:10
  Speaker 4: of the, arrow and you just can't get as good
• 2:44:13
  Speaker 4: as a knock or so that's the connection point from
• 2:44:17
  Speaker 4: the arrow to the. String it's just not going to
• 2:44:19
  Speaker 4: be as good with electronics in there with it's trying
• 2:44:22
  Speaker 4: to serve a different purpose of lighting up that, knock
• 2:44:24
  Speaker 4: where in my, opinion that's going to help me maybe
• 2:44:29
  Speaker 4: decide on when to go after the, animal knowing WHERE
• 2:44:31
  Speaker 4: i hit. It but it's not going to make me
• 2:44:33
  Speaker 4: any more. Lethal it's going to make me less. LETHAL
• 2:44:36
  Speaker 4: i want the most accurate arrow, possible and where that,
• 2:44:40
  Speaker 4: goes WHETHER i see it or, not doesn't really. Matter
• 2:44:44
  Speaker 4: i'm going to have to get on that blood trail
• 2:44:46
  Speaker 4: and recover that animal. Regardless so just knowing where the
• 2:44:49
  Speaker 4: arrow hit isn't making it anymore deadly or. Not you,
• 2:44:53
  Speaker 4: know it's just how that might impact HOW i react
• 2:44:56
  Speaker 4: to that. Shot BUT i want the most. Accurate that's
• 2:44:59
  Speaker 4: why those you, know THE x tens fifty dollars an,
• 2:45:04
  Speaker 4: arrow because it's the, straightest most accurate arrows what they've
• 2:45:08
  Speaker 4: used in The olympics since nineteen ninety. Six so you
• 2:45:10
  Speaker 4: can use other, arrows they're not as, straight not as.
• 2:45:14
  Speaker 4: Good you can put lighted knocks. On you're giving up.
• 2:45:17
  Speaker 4: Accuracy you can do it if you, want and you
• 2:45:19
  Speaker 4: can say it's going to help in these other. Arenas
• 2:45:22
  Speaker 4: it's not going to help with. Accuracy so ALL i
• 2:45:25
  Speaker 4: care about is that arrow going WHERE i want it to.
• 2:45:27
  Speaker 4: Go that's HOW i look at things.
• 2:45:29
  Speaker 2: Point it's the most. Important, yeah, yeah it makes. Sense
• 2:45:32
  Speaker 2: it makes, sense and the amount of times where the
• 2:45:35
  Speaker 2: lighted knock would help you is dwarfed in comparison to
• 2:45:39
  Speaker 2: the amount of times where accuracy is, critical, right, right
• 2:45:43
  Speaker 2: accuracy is always, critical, Right and it's only a small
• 2:45:45
  Speaker 2: amount of times where that lighted knock is really going
• 2:45:47
  Speaker 2: to come into play where it really helps.
• 2:45:48
  Speaker 4: You that's WHAT i. Mean it's cool and it's nice
• 2:45:52
  Speaker 4: and it Looks i've never used, one SO i MEAN.
• 2:45:56
  Speaker 3: I have.
• 2:45:57
  Speaker 4: YOU i GUESS i have a few, times BUT i
• 2:46:01
  Speaker 4: just was like just thinking about, it, like, NO i
• 2:46:04
  Speaker 4: it's not helping.
• 2:46:05
  Speaker 2: ME i always think about it WHEN i take the
• 2:46:07
  Speaker 2: regular knocks off and put the light ones. On like
• 2:46:09
  Speaker 2: the regular knocks are, solid, yeah and the lighted ones
• 2:46:12
  Speaker 2: there's a hole in the center of it where you've
• 2:46:14
  Speaker 2: got electronics and a light bulb and a.
• 2:46:16
  Speaker 3: BATTERY i, know.
• 2:46:17
  Speaker 2: Like there's a bunch of shit in. THERE, yea that
• 2:46:21
  Speaker 2: got it has to have some sort of an, effect, Right.
• 2:46:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah Didn't Tom miranda used to have something we had
• 2:46:26
  Speaker 2: a weight on the back of his. Arrow didn't he
• 2:46:29
  Speaker 2: have something, crazy some weird setup where he had.
• 2:46:31
  Speaker 3: Not the bread crumb like the track of oh remember
• 2:46:34
  Speaker 3: what he?
• 2:46:34
  Speaker 2: Had, no it wasn't. That it was like a thing
• 2:46:36
  Speaker 2: that he did to the back of His arrow was,
• 2:46:38
  Speaker 2: like that's in. Counterintuitive we had additional weight on the.
• 2:46:41
  Speaker 2: BACK i don't know What i'm talking. ABOUT i can't.
• 2:46:43
  Speaker 2: REMEMBER i don't.
• 2:46:44
  Speaker 4: Know But Tom, miranda that's old. School so you're looking
• 2:46:47
  Speaker 4: AT i, mean he's still out there getting to. Dead
• 2:46:49
  Speaker 4: but THAT'S i, mean that's.
• 2:46:51
  Speaker 3: History we were talking about. That but d with the
• 2:46:54
  Speaker 3: The Tom.
• 2:46:54
  Speaker 2: Miranda, oh he's had THOSE tv shows On Forever, adventure
• 2:46:58
  Speaker 2: Bow hunting With. Arounder, yeah, yeah no.
• 2:47:03
  Speaker 3: World, okay, yeah getting around the.
• 2:47:04
  Speaker 2: World that guy went all over the, world hunting all
• 2:47:08
  Speaker 2: over the. World he was one of the first GUYS
• 2:47:10
  Speaker 2: i ever heard about using a sauna to help his.
• 2:47:13
  Speaker 2: Hunting really, yeah he felt like because he was living
• 2:47:17
  Speaker 2: In florida and the guy was, like why do you
• 2:47:19
  Speaker 2: want to sign it in your House you're In, Florida
• 2:47:21
  Speaker 2: and he's, like because it makes you have more. Endurance,
• 2:47:23
  Speaker 2: yeah it's better for. Hunting that's. Yeah it's pretty, cool
• 2:47:27
  Speaker 2: like time around it old, School, okay.
• 2:47:30
  Speaker 3: It's cool to introduce all that stuff in the, Hunting
• 2:47:33
  Speaker 3: like if you're that, passionate you, KNOW i did THEE
• 2:47:36
  Speaker 3: i got the ice bar at. HOME i did the hypoxic,
• 2:47:39
  Speaker 3: willness which IS i THINK i was Telling joe about
• 2:47:42
  Speaker 3: this WHERE i decked the home gym. Out so it's
• 2:47:46
  Speaker 3: basically a gym at altitude, now and that's WHAT i
• 2:47:49
  Speaker 3: was using me BEFORE i got To, utah and it
• 2:47:52
  Speaker 3: actually made me be able to go from the bottom
• 2:47:54
  Speaker 3: of the mountain to the top without stopping the take a,
• 2:47:57
  Speaker 3: breath which is. Incredible so it was altitude.
• 2:48:00
  Speaker 4: Training it's altitude.
• 2:48:01
  Speaker 3: Train, no it's the whole. Room but this a company
• 2:48:05
  Speaker 3: Called leonyx now they make say it could be the
• 2:48:08
  Speaker 3: size of, this and it would have red light therapy in,
• 2:48:11
  Speaker 3: here it would have a sauna in, here it would
• 2:48:14
  Speaker 3: have the hypoxic conditioning in, here so basically pumping nitrogen
• 2:48:17
  Speaker 3: in the room to drop the oxygen. Levels and so
• 2:48:21
  Speaker 3: you could have gym equipment in. Here you could sit
• 2:48:23
  Speaker 3: in here and read a. Book but the way That
• 2:48:24
  Speaker 3: i've got it set, Out i'm doing a workout in
• 2:48:27
  Speaker 3: it now And i've got a target in the. CORNER
• 2:48:29
  Speaker 3: i literally shoot my bow in there at like fourteen
• 2:48:32
  Speaker 3: thou five hundred feet and then to step out of
• 2:48:35
  Speaker 3: that and LIKE i live at sea level back In,
• 2:48:37
  Speaker 3: australia to step out of that at sea, level like
• 2:48:40
  Speaker 3: you feel absolutely. Incredible, yeah and then that's so what
• 2:48:45
  Speaker 3: Was utah eight.
• 2:48:46
  Speaker 2: Thousand sometimes seven something.
• 2:48:49
  Speaker 3: Seven or eight thousand feet And i'd be at the highest,
• 2:48:51
  Speaker 3: okay And i'd be training at fourteen, thousand five. Hundred
• 2:48:55
  Speaker 3: SO i felt amazing WHEN i went.
• 2:48:57
  Speaker 2: There, yeah it was all technology that is that is
• 2:49:01
  Speaker 2: useful BECAUSE i mean that's what athletes.
• 2:49:03
  Speaker 4: Do they go to high altitude training in the mountains
• 2:49:06
  Speaker 4: and then they come down to lower elevation where there's more,
• 2:49:09
  Speaker 4: oxygen and then there's more oxygen available to push themselves.
• 2:49:12
  Speaker 4: Harder so their bodies used to. That it created more
• 2:49:16
  Speaker 4: red blood. Cells. ESSENTIALLY i think it's like a NATURAL
• 2:49:19
  Speaker 4: i think that's WHAT epo they say does so it's
• 2:49:22
  Speaker 4: a natural way to do. That and uh, YEAH i
• 2:49:25
  Speaker 4: mean so it.
• 2:49:25
  Speaker 2: Just doesn't stay very, long is that? Right it only
• 2:49:28
  Speaker 2: stays in your, system like your system eventually acclimates to
• 2:49:31
  Speaker 2: whatever the altitude, is but before it does, that you
• 2:49:34
  Speaker 2: have a nice. Advantage like there's that's why they time.
• 2:49:37
  Speaker 2: IS i think it's like a couple of. Weeks. OKAY
• 2:49:39
  Speaker 2: i think that's why they probably put The Olympic Training
• 2:49:43
  Speaker 2: center In Colorado, springs you know the. One, yeah the
• 2:49:46
  Speaker 2: training totally makes. Sense, yeah totally makes.
• 2:49:48
  Speaker 3: Sense train and, ALTITUDE i found MENTALLY i felt a
• 2:49:51
  Speaker 3: lot better. Too and then So i've Now i've done
• 2:49:54
  Speaker 3: a bit of reading up on, it and it's like
• 2:49:55
  Speaker 3: the plasticity of their brain improves under those conditions as,
• 2:49:59
  Speaker 3: well and they and it makes.
• 2:50:00
  Speaker 2: Sense adaptors or.
• 2:50:02
  Speaker 3: Die, YEAH i just feel so happy. AFTERWARDS i was
• 2:50:05
  Speaker 3: sleeping in there in the end BECAUSE i was trying
• 2:50:07
  Speaker 3: to fit in as, much which can be detrimental as,
• 2:50:09
  Speaker 3: well like you don't want to overdo. It BUT i
• 2:50:11
  Speaker 3: was sleeping in there in the, end And i'd wake
• 2:50:13
  Speaker 3: up in the morning AND i was just like on
• 2:50:15
  Speaker 3: a high for like four or five.
• 2:50:17
  Speaker 4: Hours why would they say not to overdo, it because
• 2:50:20
  Speaker 4: when they go train at, altitude they're up there the
• 2:50:23
  Speaker 4: whole time.
• 2:50:24
  Speaker 2: Just to get acclimated bet Initially, yeah And i'll do it, initially, yeah, Okay.
• 2:50:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah AND i also think that a part of the you,
• 2:50:31
  Speaker 3: know it would be like overdoing your muscles if you
• 2:50:33
  Speaker 3: just kept doing arms every single. Day you, know that's
• 2:50:37
  Speaker 3: what he. Does you can't help, it can.
• 2:50:43
  Speaker 2: You that bike that you sent me is fucking. AWESOME
• 2:50:49
  Speaker 2: i love the you, know the air dying. BIKES i
• 2:50:52
  Speaker 2: love those things just like my favorite conditioning, thing AND
• 2:50:54
  Speaker 2: i love The Echo bike From, rogue BUT i think
• 2:50:57
  Speaker 2: that one's even superior to the, bike how consistent the
• 2:51:02
  Speaker 2: drag is on. It but even more, importantly it's. Harder,
• 2:51:05
  Speaker 2: yeah it's harder to pull, back like The echo bike
• 2:51:08
  Speaker 2: is easier to pull. Back that one has more. Resistance
• 2:51:11
  Speaker 2: and WHEN i WHEN i first started using that, ONE
• 2:51:13
  Speaker 2: i was, like, whoa this one's. Tough like whatever you're
• 2:51:16
  Speaker 2: getting out of The echo bike or the Air dine,
• 2:51:18
  Speaker 2: bike that's that times.
• 2:51:20
  Speaker 3: Too, Really, yeah what is it called the end step?
• 2:51:22
  Speaker 2: Step it's st p r, Right, yeah that thing fucking.
• 2:51:26
  Speaker 3: Rules that thing. Rules i'll get them the, deck, yeut
• 2:51:29
  Speaker 3: because all their equipments like.
• 2:51:30
  Speaker 2: That well that that bike is the ship because and
• 2:51:33
  Speaker 2: it's also got different, grips different hand grips and different.
• 2:51:36
  Speaker 3: Seat changing that. Up yeah, yeah you.
• 2:51:39
  Speaker 2: Can you can mix it. Up you can mix up
• 2:51:41
  Speaker 2: where the resistance is coming.
• 2:51:42
  Speaker 3: FROM i actually lift the seat right, up so it's
• 2:51:44
  Speaker 3: nearly Like i'm in the standing position with the seat
• 2:51:49
  Speaker 3: up and the legs are right, down and it burns. Me,
• 2:51:52
  Speaker 3: yeah absolutely burns. ME i love.
• 2:51:53
  Speaker 2: It it's a it's a great low impact cardio. TOO
• 2:51:56
  Speaker 2: i mean really conditions the ship out of your legs
• 2:51:58
  Speaker 2: and your, lungs and it's you, know you're not taking
• 2:52:01
  Speaker 2: any pounding while you're doing. IT i think it's. Hard
• 2:52:04
  Speaker 2: OH i love. It, yeah because when it was in,
• 2:52:06
  Speaker 2: THERE i didn't know when it had gotten, delivered AND
• 2:52:08
  Speaker 2: i was, like, oh what the fuck is? This and
• 2:52:10
  Speaker 2: then when it was in the, GYM i started. Trying
• 2:52:11
  Speaker 2: the MOMENT i got, ON i was.
• 2:52:12
  Speaker 3: Like, oh and it's easy to crank it out, Too
• 2:52:16
  Speaker 3: like it's right, there there's no reaching down the handles right.
• 2:52:18
  Speaker 3: There just.
• 2:52:20
  Speaker 4: Whoo it was.
• 2:52:22
  Speaker 2: Good there's so many different things you could use. Now
• 2:52:24
  Speaker 2: but what were you saying about. Earlier it's, like you
• 2:52:27
  Speaker 2: have the opportunity now to be better than you've ever
• 2:52:29
  Speaker 2: been before because of all, this you, know hormone, optimization
• 2:52:33
  Speaker 2: the waste of well, stuff, peptides nutrition and understanding exercise
• 2:52:38
  Speaker 2: science and then. Equipment is you could condition your body
• 2:52:41
  Speaker 2: and you could be in amazing shape at fifty, eight
• 2:52:44
  Speaker 2: which is.
• 2:52:45
  Speaker 3: Crazy the knowledge of knowing that's actually out there Is
• 2:52:48
  Speaker 3: i'm grateful. For oh, yeah just the knowledge of knowing
• 2:52:52
  Speaker 3: that we can be better every, day we can be
• 2:52:55
  Speaker 3: healthier physically and mentally it's.
• 2:52:57
  Speaker 4: Great AND i SEE i do see a lot of
• 2:52:59
  Speaker 4: doctors who kind of ship ON bpc or shipped on stem,
• 2:53:03
  Speaker 4: Cell And i'm, like whatever you're, saying, cool But i've
• 2:53:09
  Speaker 4: never felt. Better so there's a lot of. Doctors you could, Say, yeah.
• 2:53:15
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of. Doctors i've talked to doctors that
• 2:53:17
  Speaker 2: shipped on. It AND i had this one conversation with
• 2:53:19
  Speaker 2: a doctor THAT i, like he's a nice, guy and he's,
• 2:53:22
  Speaker 2: LIKE i think it's a lot of a, placebo AND i,
• 2:53:24
  Speaker 2: go there's peer reviewed studies ON bbc one five to,
• 2:53:27
  Speaker 2: Seven like you're saying this and you haven't done the,
• 2:53:28
  Speaker 2: Research like this is not debatable LIKE bbc one five,
• 2:53:32
  Speaker 2: seven it's a there's a very clear. Pathway they show
• 2:53:34
  Speaker 2: why it. Works it's it naturally exists in the human,
• 2:53:37
  Speaker 2: body and you can enhance your body's ability to recover
• 2:53:40
  Speaker 2: from soft tissue. Injuries it's, important it's, good it's good for.
• 2:53:43
  Speaker 2: You like the idea that SOMEHOW i know this is, Horseshit, like,
• 2:53:46
  Speaker 2: no you're. Horseshit, yeah you're spitting out some. Nonsense and
• 2:53:50
  Speaker 2: the problem is a lot of, doctors in, particular a
• 2:53:53
  Speaker 2: lot of very educated people that are specialists and whatever they're,
• 2:53:56
  Speaker 2: In like the you, know you got a, doctor you
• 2:53:58
  Speaker 2: went to, school you got to, rather you got a medical,
• 2:54:00
  Speaker 2: degree you went to, school you did your. Residency you
• 2:54:02
  Speaker 2: want to be the one who has all the. Information
• 2:54:04
  Speaker 2: when someone comes along it, says, actually a better way
• 2:54:07
  Speaker 2: to do it is through stem. Cells like, well stem, cells,
• 2:54:10
  Speaker 2: Yeh like what do you, mean, oh stem? Cells how
• 2:54:12
  Speaker 2: much do you? Know There's Neil reardon has written many
• 2:54:16
  Speaker 2: papers on stem, cells like there's a documented efficacy on neurological,
• 2:54:21
  Speaker 2: conditions soft tissue, injuries joint. Rehabilitation it's not guessing right
• 2:54:27
  Speaker 2: for a doctor to, SAY i wouldn't mess with stem.
• 2:54:29
  Speaker 2: Cells so it's. Unproven THE fda hasn't approved. It it's
• 2:54:33
  Speaker 2: because THE fda. Sucks it doesn't mean that it doesn't. Work,
• 2:54:35
  Speaker 2: like there's scientists that are studying this, stuff and there's
• 2:54:38
  Speaker 2: people that are using. It you got ship tons of
• 2:54:41
  Speaker 2: anecdotal evidence from world class athletes that will tell you
• 2:54:43
  Speaker 2: the benefits Of it's the reason why THE ufc has
• 2:54:46
  Speaker 2: partnered up WITH cpi down In. Mexico but they have
• 2:54:49
  Speaker 2: to go to Fucking mexico to do this. Stuff you,
• 2:54:52
  Speaker 2: know which is. Crazy but, now, yeah but waste To
• 2:54:55
  Speaker 2: Wells brigham in, particular is really working hard to make
• 2:54:58
  Speaker 2: all that stuff available in The United. States and it's only.
• 2:55:02
  Speaker 2: Good it's good for. Everybody it's not bad for, medicine
• 2:55:05
  Speaker 2: and people are always going to need. Doctors, yeah it's.
• 2:55:07
  Speaker 2: Crazy it's just more. Advancement and the problem is it's
• 2:55:11
  Speaker 2: going to for, sure it's going to interfere with people
• 2:55:16
  Speaker 2: want to sell you pain. Pills it's going to interfere
• 2:55:18
  Speaker 2: with people that want to do unnecessary surgeries and the
• 2:55:21
  Speaker 2: unfortunately that's a real.
• 2:55:23
  Speaker 4: Thing that's where they make their money and that people
• 2:55:26
  Speaker 4: like to say, that, well it's NOT fda, approved And i'm,
• 2:55:29
  Speaker 4: like have you seen the shit that IS fda? Approved
• 2:55:32
  Speaker 4: it's like that that doesn't mean anything to. ME i
• 2:55:34
  Speaker 4: might not want to take it if it.
• 2:55:36
  Speaker 2: Is something like thirty percent of all medications to get
• 2:55:38
  Speaker 2: approved by THE fda get.
• 2:55:39
  Speaker 4: Pulled, yeah it's just, like that doesn't mean shit to.
• 2:55:42
  Speaker 2: Me but it's the. Percentage find out what put that in?
• 2:55:44
  Speaker 4: There you look at all the fucking poisonous food they sell,
• 2:55:47
  Speaker 4: us which IS fda, Approved, like so that's your argument.
• 2:55:51
  Speaker 2: And not approved in other. Countries, yeah like other countries
• 2:55:54
  Speaker 2: have banned, it. Outlawed it makes.
• 2:55:57
  Speaker 3: Your curio radiance between, countries and it's like.
• 2:56:02
  Speaker 4: Crazy america has such.
• 2:56:03
  Speaker 2: Cherios as a bad, example froot loops is the best.
• 2:56:05
  Speaker 2: Example like the fact that they were, like, oh we
• 2:56:08
  Speaker 2: can't do. That well you do it In. Canada you
• 2:56:11
  Speaker 2: sell the fucking the same stuff with different, dye with natural. Dyes,
• 2:56:15
  Speaker 2: yeah it's not as, bright but it also doesn't kill.
• 2:56:18
  Speaker 2: You it's not. Poison it's just so. Gross now they're
• 2:56:22
  Speaker 2: just they're so bought and paid for. It and here's the real.
• 2:56:24
  Speaker 2: PROBLEM a lot of these motherfuckers they go from being
• 2:56:27
  Speaker 2: working at THE fda to cushy jobs and these major.
• 2:56:30
  Speaker 2: Corporations it's like they have this golden pala chute. Set
• 2:56:33
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent two point nine percent OF fda proved
• 2:56:36
  Speaker 2: new drugs from nineteen eighty to twenty twenty one were
• 2:56:38
  Speaker 2: withdrawn specifically for safety reasons out of one, thousand three
• 2:56:42
  Speaker 2: hundred and ten total, approvals where two hundred and ten
• 2:56:44
  Speaker 2: sixteen percent were discontinued for overall various, reasons including marketing.
• 2:56:49
  Speaker 2: Factors it's that. LOW i thought it was higher than,
• 2:56:51
  Speaker 2: that but.
• 2:56:52
  Speaker 4: Look it down below where it says antibiotics face higher
• 2:56:55
  Speaker 4: rates at forty one.
• 2:56:56
  Speaker 2: PERCENT, Whoa, okay so all, TOLL i wonder what the
• 2:57:01
  Speaker 2: pharmaceutical drugs that get pulled. Are, yeah AND i kind
• 2:57:04
  Speaker 2: of biotics forty one percent is.
• 2:57:06
  Speaker 4: Nuts, yeah well in twenty three percent of, ONCOLOGY.
• 2:57:09
  Speaker 2: I mean indications which are On, Wow it's, like.
• 2:57:12
  Speaker 4: What the fuck WHAT i, mean we're just like guessing
• 2:57:16
  Speaker 4: on this.
• 2:57:16
  Speaker 2: Shit, wow it's not. Guessing it's like one of the
• 2:57:18
  Speaker 2: problems with some of these studies is they're getting information
• 2:57:21
  Speaker 2: from the pharmaceutical drug companies. Themselves LIKE i had this
• 2:57:24
  Speaker 2: lawyer on that was explaining to me how he litigated
• 2:57:26
  Speaker 2: a case against pharmaceutical drug companies and that one of
• 2:57:29
  Speaker 2: the issues that they found was that these guys would
• 2:57:32
  Speaker 2: run ten tests and they would find no. Efficacy but
• 2:57:36
  Speaker 2: so they would rig a test in a very biased
• 2:57:39
  Speaker 2: way to show the smallest amount of statistical, significance and
• 2:57:43
  Speaker 2: then they would say it's statistically significant and they would
• 2:57:46
  Speaker 2: push that and their only motivation was. Profit they weren't
• 2:57:50
  Speaker 2: saying this is going to cure, cancer this is going
• 2:57:52
  Speaker 2: to stop. Blindness, no it's like we can make money on. This,
• 2:57:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah and there's even one of the cases With yos
• 2:57:57
  Speaker 2: where there was emails exchanged with the pharmaceutical drug companies
• 2:58:01
  Speaker 2: talking about all the problems that it was going to.
• 2:58:03
  Speaker 2: Cause but we think we will do well with, this
• 2:58:08
  Speaker 2: which is.
• 2:58:09
  Speaker 4: CRAZY i remember we looked that one up. Before it's, like,
• 2:58:12
  Speaker 4: uh it's, YEAH i, mean it's nuts how this uh
• 2:58:16
  Speaker 4: this medicine stuff. Works but it's like they're still like
• 2:58:19
  Speaker 4: WITH covid, vaccine still things coming out of us all
• 2:58:22
  Speaker 4: last night ON tv about this in a small number of,
• 2:58:25
  Speaker 4: cases it can cause heart some whatever the. Fuck but
• 2:58:29
  Speaker 4: we we've seen a number of these announcements like all
• 2:58:33
  Speaker 4: these finally this negative stuff about the vaccine didn't do
• 2:58:37
  Speaker 4: any positive probably, not but all this fucking negative and
• 2:58:40
  Speaker 4: that was just coming out years.
• 2:58:41
  Speaker 2: Later and we were bombarded with propaganda that it was
• 2:58:44
  Speaker 2: necessary to stay. Alive, Yeah like there was ONE i
• 2:58:47
  Speaker 2: think it Was The atlantic that had one headline that,
• 2:58:51
  Speaker 2: said if you're, unvaccinated it might be time to make
• 2:58:54
  Speaker 2: your end of life Will and then the same same
• 2:58:59
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  Speaker 2: criminal fines IN us history because they fucking, lied and
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  Speaker 2: the same companies are still selling you. Shit you think
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• 2:59:30
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• 2:59:36
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• 2:59:41
  Speaker 2: it's so infuriating how many people buy into, stuff and
• 2:59:44
  Speaker 2: how they don't even get in trouble for lying to
• 2:59:46
  Speaker 2: everybody for so, long for, years just lies and propaganda
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• 3:00:42
  Speaker 2: Stuff and that's where the real problem. Comes a lot
• 3:00:44
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  Speaker 2: i don't want to. Bother we'll figure it. Out figured
• 3:01:10
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  Speaker 2: whatever the fuck you want to.
• 3:01:19
  Speaker 4: Do, Well, Okay so here's WHAT i wanted to end
• 3:01:23
  Speaker 4: a podcast. With what's one thing you learned the? Season
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  Speaker 4: bet mm wait is this my call to.
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  Speaker 3: How we end?
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  Speaker 4: It?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah we do?
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  Speaker 7: It do?
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  Speaker 2: It WHAT i learned this? Season, OH i always learned
• 3:01:37
  Speaker 2: one thing every year how important leg conditioning is so fucking. Important,
• 3:01:42
  Speaker 2: god maybe the, most especially elk. Hunting it is the
• 3:01:44
  Speaker 2: most important. Thing leg conditioning is fucking. Everything if you
• 3:01:48
  Speaker 2: can't get up those mountains and and be fit and
• 3:01:51
  Speaker 2: be able to do it over and over and over,
• 3:01:52
  Speaker 2: again over like five days of miles and miles and, miles,
• 3:01:55
  Speaker 2: like no matter WHAT i, DID i need to do.
• 3:01:58
  Speaker 2: More that's WHAT i learned that for. Sure that's a big.
• 3:02:00
  Speaker 2: One and you could never be in too good a,
• 3:02:02
  Speaker 2: shape never being too good a, shape never being never
• 3:02:05
  Speaker 2: have your legs conditioned, enough and you can overpractice. ARCHERY
• 3:02:09
  Speaker 2: i learned that too BECAUSE i started developing this low
• 3:02:11
  Speaker 2: back problem That i've been going to this trigger point
• 3:02:14
  Speaker 2: MASSAGE i told YOU i went. Today oh my, god,
• 3:02:16
  Speaker 2: HELP i get so scared every TIME i go into
• 3:02:18
  Speaker 2: this guy's. Office he fucking tortures. Me it's, horrible especially
• 3:02:21
  Speaker 2: when he deals THE it band with his fucking knuckles
• 3:02:24
  Speaker 2: and his. Elbow it's, horrible but it's super. EFFECTIVE i
• 3:02:28
  Speaker 2: JUST i got, ESSENTIALLY i got tendon itis in my lower,
• 3:02:32
  Speaker 2: back just overuseed Because i'm pulling back an eighty pound
• 3:02:35
  Speaker 2: bow one hundred times over and over and over, again
• 3:02:38
  Speaker 2: days after days after, day and every time it would,
• 3:02:40
  Speaker 2: HURT i would be an idiot AND i would, go,
• 3:02:42
  Speaker 2: AH i walk through, it and that's not. Bad, Yeah
• 3:02:45
  Speaker 2: i'm a little.
• 3:02:45
  Speaker 4: Obsessive it got, Bad but that's why you're great at things.
• 3:02:48
  Speaker 2: Too, yeah there's a it's a double edged. Sword but
• 3:02:51
  Speaker 2: you got to, learn like you were talking about not
• 3:02:53
  Speaker 2: overdoing it in the the hypoxic. Thing you got to.
• 3:02:56
  Speaker 2: Learn AND i don't learn, always BUT i try. TO
• 3:03:00
  Speaker 2: i learned those. Things those those are.
• 3:03:02
  Speaker 4: Huge so so, okay what are you gonna do for your?
• 3:03:05
  Speaker 2: Legs and continue not stopping with leg conditioning ever Until,
• 3:03:11
  Speaker 2: September like like there was a lot of times one
• 3:03:15
  Speaker 2: thing is waste wells helped. ME i got a fucking
• 3:03:18
  Speaker 2: weird left. Knee. Uh but the latest round of stem
• 3:03:21
  Speaker 2: cells THAT i had did real they did a real.
• 3:03:24
  Speaker 2: Improvement LIKE i really notice, it And i'm protecting. It
• 3:03:28
  Speaker 2: i'm not doing anything stupid in the, meantime you, know
• 3:03:31
  Speaker 2: like no jiu, jitsu like no getting heel, hooked, nothing
• 3:03:35
  Speaker 2: nothing that's going to aggravate, it and just build up
• 3:03:38
  Speaker 2: my conditioning and maintain it over the. Year that's that's
• 3:03:42
  Speaker 2: a big.
• 3:03:42
  Speaker 4: One, yeah that's.
• 3:03:43
  Speaker 2: Good would you learn camins Me?
• 3:03:46
  Speaker 3: ADAM i THINK i learned a lot this, season but
• 3:03:52
  Speaker 3: just like more about life than just you, know bow wanting.
• 3:03:55
  Speaker 3: Scenario BUT i think the biggest thing THAT i took
• 3:03:58
  Speaker 3: away from it is, health as in mental and, physical
• 3:04:02
  Speaker 3: and that you can always like step it up and
• 3:04:04
  Speaker 3: you can always be. Better AND i think LIKE i
• 3:04:08
  Speaker 3: just you, know like family, life whatever EXCUSES i can
• 3:04:11
  Speaker 3: come up, with you, know business and not having the
• 3:04:13
  Speaker 3: time to put in the extra but fine in the
• 3:04:15
  Speaker 3: extra time because of how valuable it is and what
• 3:04:19
  Speaker 3: the payoff in that. Is you, know being physically healthy
• 3:04:24
  Speaker 3: makes it a lot easier to be mentally healthy.
• 3:04:27
  Speaker 2: Because you went for a while where you really didn't
• 3:04:29
  Speaker 2: work out. MUCH i.
• 3:04:30
  Speaker 3: DIDN'T i JUST i bowhunted a, lot you, know AND
• 3:04:32
  Speaker 3: i was on the tools a, lot like being in you,
• 3:04:35
  Speaker 3: know the building. Game but it's not that's different it's
• 3:04:38
  Speaker 3: a different sort of, health you, know whereas in actually
• 3:04:41
  Speaker 3: targeting you, know losing, weight eat and clean you, know
• 3:04:45
  Speaker 3: because it's not just about the, gym it's like everything
• 3:04:47
  Speaker 3: that else else that goes with. It SO i learned
• 3:04:50
  Speaker 3: to eat a lot more. CLEANER i started doing The
• 3:04:54
  Speaker 3: Hypoxic wellness, studio AND i think a combination of those
• 3:05:00
  Speaker 3: things and seeing the payoff in two, weeks you, know
• 3:05:03
  Speaker 3: not talking. Months it was like in two, WEEKS i
• 3:05:05
  Speaker 3: could see a massive difference when you lined everything up eating.
• 3:05:08
  Speaker 3: Healthy that made the mountains a lot more easier and
• 3:05:12
  Speaker 3: a lot more. Enjoyable i'm not SAYING i did more
• 3:05:15
  Speaker 3: of the. MOUNTAINS i THINK i only covered the same
• 3:05:17
  Speaker 3: sort of, miles but it was just a lot more.
• 3:05:20
  Speaker 3: Enjoyable and that example THAT i kept saying to, you
• 3:05:22
  Speaker 3: like going from the bottom of the mountain to the
• 3:05:24
  Speaker 3: top without having four or five breaks in between when you're,
• 3:05:27
  Speaker 3: like oh and, hurting it was just a lot more.
• 3:05:31
  Speaker 3: Enjoyable i'd, stop you, know and it's just LIKE i
• 3:05:34
  Speaker 3: wasn't even taking deep. BREATHS i was already scanning the
• 3:05:36
  Speaker 3: mountains for a, bull you. Know AND i think it
• 3:05:39
  Speaker 3: just become a lot more, enjoyable and then getting the
• 3:05:42
  Speaker 3: headspace from that, too whether it's from me feeling, better
• 3:05:45
  Speaker 3: whether it's from better plasticity of the. MIND i just
• 3:05:49
  Speaker 3: OVERALL i just felt a lot, better a lot more,
• 3:05:52
  Speaker 3: connected a lot more grateful as well as in because
• 3:05:56
  Speaker 3: you feel good, yea so it's easier to think of
• 3:05:59
  Speaker 3: things more and being. RIGHTFUL i like.
• 3:06:02
  Speaker 4: That that's, uh, well WHAT i took from that is
• 3:06:05
  Speaker 4: you said climbing the mountain is more. Enjoyable to, me
• 3:06:08
  Speaker 4: that means you're going to make better. Decisions, yes you're
• 3:06:10
  Speaker 4: going to be when you're, hunting you, know because when we're.
• 3:06:13
  Speaker 4: Fatigued there's this famous saying fatigue makes cowards of us,
• 3:06:17
  Speaker 4: all but it also we make poor decisions when we're.
• 3:06:20
  Speaker 4: Fatigued so you being at a higher level just physically
• 3:06:24
  Speaker 4: allows you to hunt, better is WHAT i always. Think
• 3:06:27
  Speaker 4: because we're not taking, shortcuts we're making better, decisions we're
• 3:06:30
  Speaker 4: reading the animal. Better we're instead of like looking for
• 3:06:34
  Speaker 4: a because we're gas so we don't want to kick,
• 3:06:36
  Speaker 4: things so we're looking at the ground more instead our
• 3:06:38
  Speaker 4: heads up and we're reading the situation. Better so it's
• 3:06:41
  Speaker 4: just it results in just better hunting and you enjoy it.
• 3:06:46
  Speaker 3: More BUT i love.
• 3:06:48
  Speaker 4: That WHAT i learned is THAT i THINK i enjoy
• 3:06:53
  Speaker 4: the success of others and this has been reinforced over the,
• 3:06:56
  Speaker 4: years but this year, SPECIFICALLY i enjoy being part of
• 3:07:00
  Speaker 4: the success of others and taking others like new, hunters
• 3:07:03
  Speaker 4: and just sharing our lifestyle with them and just what's
• 3:07:07
  Speaker 4: important to. Me and it gives me a chance to.
• 3:07:10
  Speaker 4: Share when you talk to somebody on the, phone you're
• 3:07:12
  Speaker 4: not getting, deep but when you're on a, hunt you
• 3:07:15
  Speaker 4: get that opportunity and they're MORE i don't know if
• 3:07:18
  Speaker 4: they have to listen because they can't go, anywhere or
• 3:07:21
  Speaker 4: it's just they're more interested in. Listening but it allows
• 3:07:25
  Speaker 4: me to really like share why nature in the mounds
• 3:07:29
  Speaker 4: and WHAT i do is important and it seems like
• 3:07:32
  Speaker 4: it's really it really resonates with. People and it's just
• 3:07:35
  Speaker 4: that has given me so much strength and uh AND
• 3:07:41
  Speaker 4: i don't, KNOW i just and. Purpose it's just sharing
• 3:07:45
  Speaker 4: our lifestyle with. Others that's What i've learned that that drives.
• 3:07:48
  Speaker 3: Me, YEAH i like that for a long time. Too
• 3:07:50
  Speaker 3: like that first buffalo hunt that we went on back
• 3:07:53
  Speaker 3: In australia and you killed a ball and it was
• 3:07:55
  Speaker 3: LIKE i was as happy for you as IF i killed.
• 3:07:58
  Speaker 3: It and then WHEN i killed my bullet might have
• 3:08:00
  Speaker 3: been the last. Day like it was the. Same it
• 3:08:03
  Speaker 3: was all like hugs and that was awesome AND i
• 3:08:04
  Speaker 3: could see it glowing in your. Face you know that
• 3:08:06
  Speaker 3: you want You you relish in other people's success as.
• 3:08:10
  Speaker 2: Well, gentlemen this was. Awesome, oh thank you for having
• 3:08:14
  Speaker 2: always great to hang out with you.
• 3:08:16
  Speaker 3: Guys thank, you it's a.
• 3:08:17
  Speaker 2: PLEASURE i love you, too all, right bye, everybody