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Say Who, Say Pod, Ep. 209 · Say Who, Say Pod

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  SPEAKER_03: Pod.
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  SPEAKER_03: Pod.
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  SPEAKER_03: Welcome back, Pod, to another episode of Say Who Say Pod.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_03: He's Danny O'Neill in his sports coat.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_03: I'm Christian Caple.
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  SPEAKER_03: The Washington Huskies are 1-0 after a 24-10 win in the Apple Cup, and nobody's happy about it.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, nobody's happy about it, but the game was better than the...
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was going to be a real marketing coup for us, Christian.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_01: I thought the say who,
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  SPEAKER_01: say what chant coming onto the field before the game was going to put our podcast on
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  SPEAKER_01: the map.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I came away from it wondering if they're, are they going to workshop it?
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_01: Are they going to troubleshoot it?
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_01: Is it going to get better with time?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because the initial attempt,
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_01: it was a lot like when Mariner fans try to do a three-syllable chant like Ichiro,
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  SPEAKER_01: Ichiro, and it just never quite clicks.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, there's a lot more syllables than that, though.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_03: I think that was part of the problem.
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  SPEAKER_03: And the biggest problem was I didn't hear anybody saying pod.
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  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, maybe find a way to incorporate that in the future.
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  SPEAKER_01: Call on a grassroots movement.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_01: Say who, say pod.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_03: I'm being somewhat facetious.
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  SPEAKER_03: There's more than zero people happy about Washington's 24-10 win.
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  SPEAKER_03: There were some things to like, particularly on the defensive side of the ball.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
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  SPEAKER_03: What did you think overall, seeing these Washington Huskies for the first time?
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  SPEAKER_01: There were a lot of things on defense that I liked a lot.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I thought that the game...
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  SPEAKER_01: For a game where you're plus in turnover margin, Washington had an awful lot of mistakes.
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  SPEAKER_01: And they came at pretty critical times.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was a game where if you change five plays and ask Washington
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_01: to do what it's supposed to do, the game is a lot more lopsided than they cover.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think everybody feels better about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's not to sort of try to gloss over the warts that were there,
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  SPEAKER_01: because there were some,
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  SPEAKER_01: especially on offense,
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  SPEAKER_01: but This was not only not in the category of the Montana game.
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  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't in the category of that Eastern Washington game that was the shootout
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  SPEAKER_01: with Vernon Adams.
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  SPEAKER_01: This was more closer than you would like, but it was a solid victory.
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  SPEAKER_01: This wasn't a by the skin of your teeth sort of thing.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I think you can always go back and do the whole like,
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  SPEAKER_03: well, if they've done this, this, and this, then the score is different.
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  SPEAKER_03: But when it's literally as simple as make a 29-yard field goal and gain one yard
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  SPEAKER_03: and it's 20 to nothing at halftime.
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  SPEAKER_01: And let's throw in the not miss the wide open or neglect to see
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  SPEAKER_01: the wide open Rashid Williams in the first half on a play
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  SPEAKER_01: that was really well drawn up and he was wide open.
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  SPEAKER_01: He was in the end zone.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was one of the first times that it occurred to me where I was like,
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  SPEAKER_01: do I have to worry about DeMond Williams being able to see over the line?
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  SPEAKER_01: So many years covering Russell Wilson where that was and wasn't an issue in trying
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  SPEAKER_01: to determine when it happened.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's where I initially went because that's exactly where he should have been looking.
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  SPEAKER_01: The play worked exactly how you dream it would.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he threw the ball late.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he just didn't.
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't know if it's because he was hesitant.
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  SPEAKER_03: Did he hesitate?
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  SPEAKER_03: Did he...
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  SPEAKER_03: Not see it as being as wide open as it was, or did he not just flat out not see it right away?
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  SPEAKER_03: Now doing the whole,
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  SPEAKER_03: you know,
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  SPEAKER_03: both teams are going to be able to identify plays that could have swung this thing,
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  SPEAKER_03: right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Wazoo missed the field goal that its kicker typically doesn't miss in the second half.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, the first one in the first half was from 50 plus.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was ambitious.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, didn't quite get there.
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  SPEAKER_03: And yeah, gave him credit for making a goal line stand, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: I think back to the Ohio State game last year and,
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  SPEAKER_03: you know,
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  SPEAKER_03: the folks who were really like gung-ho about, man, like, look,
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  SPEAKER_03: a couple,
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  SPEAKER_03: you know,
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  SPEAKER_03: if that penalty doesn't happen or you don't give up the touchdown to Jeremiah Smith,
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  SPEAKER_03: you know,
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  SPEAKER_03: on the all-out blitz at the end of the first half and,
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  SPEAKER_03: or maybe in the third quarter.
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  SPEAKER_03: But it's like, well,
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  SPEAKER_03: yeah, Ohio State would say they should have scored on the goal line too, right?
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_03: Ohio State would say they should have gotten that first down where,
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  SPEAKER_03: you know, UW made a great play to stop them.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so you give credit to Washington State also.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_03: I'm feeling good about my defense if I'm the Cougs.
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  SPEAKER_03: I thought that was a very physical performance by them, especially up front.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean, they gave Washington's offensive line all they could handle.
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  SPEAKER_01: Washington did not run the ball well, and Washington really was pushed back.
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  SPEAKER_01: Some of the errors they made were because they were trying to level up
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  SPEAKER_01: to Washington State's level of physical play.
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  SPEAKER_01: I firmly believe that.
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  SPEAKER_01: I thought Washington State played really well.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if I'm a Coug fan,
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  SPEAKER_01: there's a lot to be pretty happy about,
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  SPEAKER_01: including that quarterback looks really good.
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  SPEAKER_01: He was creative.
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  SPEAKER_01: He looks really tough.
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  SPEAKER_01: I thought they played really well.
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  SPEAKER_01: There was no point that I thought Washington... Well,
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_01: when they gave up the touchdown was the first point where I'm like,
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  SPEAKER_01: they might lose this game.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I never really felt like, okay, they're going to lose.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_01: But I also,
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  SPEAKER_01: as someone who's like, hey,
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_01: I think this team can win 10 games and make it into the college football playoff.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_01: I feel less confident of that today than I did when they kicked off the season.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like that...
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  SPEAKER_01: Having a hard time running the ball,
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  SPEAKER_01: having to rely on Daman Williams as much as they did,
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_01: and he played great in the fourth quarter.
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  SPEAKER_01: He did not play as well earlier on,
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  SPEAKER_01: and he was the main part of their running game,
• 6:00
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• 6:58
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• 7:01
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• 7:15
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• 7:26
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• 7:27
  SPEAKER_03: That's good advice.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_03: Sound advice.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_03: Somebody asked me recently,
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_03: and it's a good question about, hey,
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  SPEAKER_03: do you revisit any confidence that you might have had preseason
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  SPEAKER_03: about Washington hitting the over of seven and a half?
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  SPEAKER_03: Or fulfilling my particular preseason projection of 9-3 based on the opener.
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  SPEAKER_03: And they have a lot to clean up.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_03: And some of the stuff on the O-line is TBD.
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  SPEAKER_03: To me, I think there are explanations for some of it as well.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_03: But you do need to see them play better to...
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  SPEAKER_03: Return, I guess, to the confidence level you might have had in that group in particular.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_03: Any amendment of preseason expectation for me centers more on
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  SPEAKER_03: the running back injury situation than anything else at this point.
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  SPEAKER_03: If Jaden Lamar and Quade Carr come out of that game healthy and
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  SPEAKER_03: the result is exactly the same, Um,
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
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  SPEAKER_03: I don't know that by itself a two touchdown win in a season opening rivalry game
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  SPEAKER_03: where you're,
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  SPEAKER_03: you're playing a bunch of new starters
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  SPEAKER_03: and you don't really know exactly what it's going to look like.
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  SPEAKER_03: You're going against a pretty seasoned defensive coordinator.
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  SPEAKER_03: Granted, I did think they would, you know, I think I picked him to win by 21.
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  SPEAKER_03: So, you know,
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  SPEAKER_03: I was maybe a touchdown, uh,
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_03: too optimistic on,
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_03: on Washington's side there, but, um, Brian Bonner and Trey Cooley, come on down.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's really all on them in the backfield now.
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  SPEAKER_03: Not just them, but, you know, those are the next two guys up.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_01: Quaid Carr looked like he suffered an injury when he kind of caught himself falling backwards.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_01: I assume that's what it
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  SPEAKER_03: was, yeah.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of where it looked like,
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_01: and it sounded like Jed didn't say specifically when you asked him,
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_01: but he pretty much said it was hand.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_01: That it was hand for Quade Carr and elbow for Jaden Lamar,
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_01: and everybody saw Jaden Lamar's, and that looked rugged.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, when you got up,
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_01: when he got up,
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  SPEAKER_01: After kind of the stiff arm and then powered back,
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_01: it was very clear he was in a lot of pain.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the fact that they're both going to be out now and Jed really didn't give a timetable.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_01: It was the,
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_01: we'll find out a timetable in the future,
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_01: but we're not going to be without him sometime.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's a huge blow.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: I always get torn when you talk about running back productivity in college, though,
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_01: because I do think offensive line is as much a part of a Yeah,
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I do think the starting point is...
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_03: It doesn't matter who's back there.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_03: It's not going to look good if the offensive line doesn't play better.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_01: The flip side is we've all seen running backs in college be able to compensate.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like when you've got an exceptional running back, the mistakes that they're capable of erasing.
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  SPEAKER_01: That in college,
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_01: I do think a specific running back is more capable of creating things on his own
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  SPEAKER_01: or overcoming a deficit up front than it is in the NFL.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_03: The other place my mind goes is, I mean, you saw Jaden Lamar take on some blitzers.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, he looked so tough.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_01: That was the one thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: He looks exactly what you want in your number two running back in college football.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is really physical, really strong, and kind of just this bow up, ugly yards, blitz protector.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_01: He looked really good.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I thought he ran the ball okay, too.
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  SPEAKER_03: A nice little leap there to get himself in the end zone on the touchdown.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_01: He hit the hurdle button twice, I think.
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  SPEAKER_03: But one of the real benefits to a fourth-year player who's seen the action
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_03: that he has, who's, you know, yeah, he's built well, right?
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_03: He's a sturdy dude.
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  SPEAKER_03: He's got huge arms.
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  SPEAKER_03: He's strong.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: You can rely on him on third downs and in passing situations to protect the passer.
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  SPEAKER_03: And now, you know, Trey Cooley is also a veteran.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_03: Trey Cooley has also played some college football.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's been a while since he's played consistently.
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  SPEAKER_03: He missed all of last season with a knee injury at Troy.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think he only played two games the year before at Georgia Tech because of
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_03: a pretty bad concussion he got early in the season.
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  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, it's been since the 2023 season.
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  SPEAKER_03: That he really had multiple games where he could get in a rhythm and feel things a little bit.
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  SPEAKER_03: Jed Fish gave him credit for getting around to chip the defensive end
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  SPEAKER_03: after he Flicked the flea back to Daman Williams.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so that's somebody who has been in enough games where he,
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_03: at least you would assume,
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  SPEAKER_03: understands pass protection and the mentality you have to have.
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  SPEAKER_03: And so I would guess you'd probably see him out there as their third down back.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_03: And some of those responsibilities they were counting on Jaden Lamar to have,
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  SPEAKER_03: my assumption would be that's who you'll see.
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  SPEAKER_03: But as far as the carries and...
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, who are you relying on to really set the tone in the running game?
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, is Trey Cooley somebody you're comfortable having double digit carries?
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_03: Do you want to see what Brian Bonner can do?
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_03: You know, a recruit that people were very excited about.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_03: I think we did the...
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_03: The Brian Bonner film watch, the Danny O'Neill Brian Bonner film watch.
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  SPEAKER_03: When he committed, it was that big of a deal, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Top 100 tailback out of California.
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  SPEAKER_03: They beat UCLA for him.
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  SPEAKER_03: He was a 10, 500 meter guy in high school.
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  SPEAKER_03: He can really, really run.
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  SPEAKER_03: He was super productive.
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  SPEAKER_03: Caught the ball well out of the backfield too.
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  SPEAKER_03: And yet, on a team that is very young with a coaching staff that is...
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  SPEAKER_03: Less hesitant than probably anybody out there to play a true freshman that came
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  SPEAKER_03: into their season opener, you know, liking three other guys more, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Wanting to get three other guys carries first.
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  SPEAKER_03: So going to be a little baptism by fire for Brian Bonner.
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  SPEAKER_03: If there is a silver lining, though,
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  SPEAKER_03: it's that, hey,
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  SPEAKER_03: this recruit that people were very,
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  SPEAKER_03: very excited about,
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  SPEAKER_03: who a lot of people really wanted,
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  SPEAKER_03: that was a pretty big victory in this 2026 class,
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  SPEAKER_03: you do at least get to see him early on.
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  SPEAKER_01: Jed was also doing his best of saying,
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_01: hey, he got the most action out of anybody between spring and summer.
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  SPEAKER_01: He did.
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  SPEAKER_01: My reaction upon hearing that,
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_01: and this is not to sort of poo-poo or diminish him in any way,
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  SPEAKER_01: was if in those opportunities he didn't shoot to the top of the depth chart,
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  SPEAKER_01: that tells you that they thought he needed a little more seasoning.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's what it tells me is that he got a lot of opportunities
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_01: because they are very excited about him and they're like,
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  SPEAKER_01: well, not quite ready for primetime yet.
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  SPEAKER_01: And now he is going to get those opportunities.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_01: That being said, I am firmly on the side of bet on young talent every time.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: Live with the mistakes.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: So the...
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm probably not as concerned about running back.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: If they had lost their top two running backs last year in the first game,
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  SPEAKER_01: I would have been more concerned about it because of how clearly...
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: I thought that Jonah Coleman and Adam Mohamed were cut tears above what they have.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: This year, it's a little more unknown.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_01: And maybe it will be.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe it will be that this is a huge drop-off.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_01: I also think they might have a group of guys who are none of them.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're not really sure which of them are going to stand out or pan out long-term.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: And while they went with the guys that they thought were best,
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure how much of a downgrade Brian Ballner ultimately will be.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and that was sort of how Jed Fish tried to explain it a little bit on Monday,
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  SPEAKER_03: that like, well, look, Quade Carr had basically not played college football, right?
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_03: All of six snaps or whatever last season, and what do you have, six carries in the game Sunday?
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  SPEAKER_03: So, you know,
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_03: really hadn't played much more college football than Brian Bonner,
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_03: although had spent,
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_03: you know, the better part of the last, what, Steve McLaughlin, Ph.D.:
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  SPEAKER_03: On the Bonner thing,
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  SPEAKER_03: him getting all the reps in practice,
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_03: they didn't have Jaden Lamar or Trey Cooley at all in the spring.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_03: And so there were a lot of opportunities there for guys
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_03: who weren't necessarily going to be in the rotation this year.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_03: And even come training camp,
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_03: you could tell they were careful with the way they brought Cooley back.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_03: You could tell they were careful with the way they brought Jaden Lamar back.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_03: I was wondering, coming into the season, I knew he'd play.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_03: But I thought, where's he at with the ankle injury?
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_03: Where's he at with recovery?
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_03: Because he was in a boot the day after the mock game, even.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_03: And it wasn't...
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_03: Recovery from those things isn't always linear, right?
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_03: Sometimes you push them, then you back off, you push them, and then you back off.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_03: So it was hard to know, is this exactly the plan?
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_03: Is this going exactly the way that they thought the rehab would go?
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_03: Or is this based on kind of how he feels?
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_03: But he was sitting out of some practices not too long before the season.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_03: Again, maybe just plan.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_03: I was sort of wondering, hey, how's he going to look with that?
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_03: And I thought pretty well.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_03: But even once it was just Quade Carr out,
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_03: I kind of thought, man,
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_03: is Jaden Lamar at a position physically where he can take
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_03: on number one tailback duties, where he can play 40-plus snaps?
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_03: Like, is that something that they were planning on asking him to do or, like,
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_03: okay asking him to do just with where he kind of is coming off the ankle surgery?
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_03: So it was already a thin room.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_03: And...
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_03: Aside from losing your starting quarterback or something just crazy unforeseen,
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_03: losing your top two running backs on this specific roster,
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_03: just with where their strengths and weaknesses are,
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_03: where their depth is and isn't,
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_03: losing tailback number one and tailback number two is just
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_03: about worst-case scenario stuff when it comes to a week one injury report.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: Here is Jed Fish.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: This is from Monday's press conference talking about kind of the options
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_01: that they have at running back now.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: It is what it is.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: We've got seven.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: So we, you know,
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'm glad that,
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: we made a decision to bring in Trey Cooley because we thought that You know,
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: you always have to be aware of the running back room.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: First time in six years that I've had these type of two pretty significant injuries
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: in the same room.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: Can't think of that happening very often, but it does happen sometimes.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why,
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm really glad that Brian is here and Brian has had a great spring and fall.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: Excited to see if Julian McMahon can continue to step up.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_00: Excited to see what Ansu can do.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: Excited to see what Ryken will do.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: Excited to see what all these guys can do.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_03: Probably should note Ansu Sano too.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_03: A guy who I thought...
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_03: Was one of the pleasant surprises in spring with the way he ran the ball.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_03: They list him at 6 foot and 240 pounds.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_03: He trucks some starting defenders on this team.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_03: So I wonder if that's someone who you maybe try to set the tone with physically
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_03: a little bit, give the defense a little bit of a different look.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_03: But again, also not somebody you're planning to get into the opener.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_03: So you're going to be relying on some guys they weren't necessarily...
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_03: Thinking we're going to play big roles for them this year.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_01: They're also talking about moving Cade Eldridge,
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: who's like the number three tight end, lending Christian background.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: So maybe they could go with some heavy,
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: like get two 6'4", 6'5",
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_01: 250-pound running backs and just really give it a heavy look for fourth
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: and one situations at the end of the first half.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean, Kate Eldridge scored a rushing touchdown last year as a fullback.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_03: And we've seen that look throughout training camp.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_03: Is he someone you put back there with DeMond on obvious passing situations?
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: Thunder and lightning, baby!
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: Thunder and lightning!
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_03: You're kind of giving away the game a little bit if you have a designated pass blocker.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_03: That's the other thing, too.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_03: It's not like Jaden Lamar was going to be the only tailback asked to pass protect.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_03: If you're playing tailback, you're going to be asked to do that.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_03: That's the question you would have about anything.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_03: What do we make of DeMond's game?
• 20:59
  SPEAKER_01: His fourth quarter is awesome.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: The scramble he has on third and nine, where, I mean, it's really, it's him and three defenders.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: And he beats all three.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: He gets all three running toward the sideline and cuts it back.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: It's about as quick and sharp a cut as you can make in the game of football.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: He has a couple of great throws.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: His completion percentage came out really good.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: Stat line looked good.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_01: What did you make of how he played?
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I just think the jury's still out.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_03: You know,
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_03: obviously,
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_03: you don't want ever to get to a point where,
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_03: like, you're taking for granted the sort of things he can do with his legs.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, the play on third and nine is, like, if you're Wazoo, you just throw your hands up.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_03: Like, what do you even do?
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_03: You know, that was, like, against most quarterbacks in the country, like, that's a win.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_03: You're getting off the field there.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_03: And so the fact he can manufacture that and create that,
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_03: and then instantly,
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_03: was it the next play,
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_03: I think, where he hits the go ball to Lawson, who just made a phenomenal catch.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: That catch was wild.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he was essentially one arm was pinned, and he caught it with one arm falling down.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: It was pretty insane.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_03: A little surprised there was no pass interference there.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_03: But, yeah, I...
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_03: If you're if you were hoping to see like a new and improved version
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_03: of DeMond Williams in the season opener that made you think, yes,
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_03: like this guy's definitely going to have it against the elite defenses
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_03: on their schedule this year.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_03: Like you didn't see that, you know, and again, it's it's.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_03: For all of the concerns, you do have to give credit where it's due.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_03: He had a great fourth quarter.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_03: He did make the plays when they needed to be made.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_03: You mentioned, hey,
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_03: Washington State scores,
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_03: and it's 10-7,
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_03: and it feels like They've got all the momentum in the world,
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_03: and Washington's offense has been inept, really, in a lot of ways.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_03: I doubt you were the only one who got that familiar feeling of like,
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_03: oh my God, are they going to lose this game?
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_03: And then boom, boom, boom, touchdown.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: Just started throwing downfield.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_03: Right back to a 10-point lead, put the pressure right back on Washington State.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_03: And so the ability to respond in a clutch moment,
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_03: even if it is in a game that a lot of people would say, well,
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_03: if there's anyone you can do that against, it's this part of the schedule, right?
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_03: I would also submit, you know, they beat them 59-24 in Pullman last year.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_03: They scored on every possession.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_03: That wound up a very tough Washington State defense.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_03: They did not have another game like that, anywhere close to like that.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_03: This might be a pretty good defense.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_03: Could be.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_03: You might look back at the end of the season and say, well, who were among the tougher defenses?
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_03: Statistically, look at what Washington State did.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_03: Now...
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's the thing about season openers, right?
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_03: Like, you just don't know.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_03: I do think there were more instances than you would typically assume after
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_03: a performance where you say, like, Washington really didn't get it down offensively.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_03: There were more instances of, like, wow, that was some solid defense by Washington State.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_03: They appear very well coached.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: And DeMond didn't panic and turn the ball over.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like, there were...
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: Their offense didn't look good for,
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: I would say, three quarters of the game or looked really spotty.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: But he also didn't get impatient and start really forcing things either,
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: which is a very positive sign.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: In terms of learning and growing from it, I was very amused by this.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: I get into...
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: I've been calling him Petty Jetty.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: When Jed gets the little digs in,
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_01: just like a little,
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: little tiny dig,
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: there was, as he was talking about, what he took away from the first game.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: I really enjoyed the subtle jab he landed at the end.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: I felt like there was a lot out there that we can learn from.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: So our team will certainly learn from them, but it's nice to learn with a win.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_00: And it's nice to learn with the Apple Cup And for the first time in the history of
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_00: the series, this game was played week one.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_00: We all saw college football around this whole weekend.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of learning experiences.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_00: And this is what happens for the very first time when you don't have preseason,
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: and these penalties matter and these games have a different type of feel to it.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes you have to work into these games in front of half a crowd.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: We worked into ours in front of a sold-out one.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_00: So there is some anxiety out there when you're starting for true freshmen in those scenarios.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's hard when you got a full house and pressure, Christian.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_03: It is the flip side of Sunday, exclusive TV window.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_03: You know, look, you're a true freshman playing for the first time in front of a huge crowd.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_03: Like, that's nerves enough.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_03: But when you also know, like, I mean, I mean,
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_01: Coleman Brusa swats it.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, Ramzak gets some penetration and Coleman Brusa loops around,
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_03: gets pressure, deflects it, and Jaron Jones intercepts the pass.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_03: That is the, that's the flip side of, and it's like a closing thought on Demond Williams.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_03: You know,
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_03: the miss to Rashid Williams on the third and 33,
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_03: there were a couple other misses too,
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_03: but like that's the one you kind of circle and go back to,
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_03: against a,
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_03: And really against Washington State's defense also,
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_03: but like against a Big Ten defense, like you might get one of those a game.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_03: You know,
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_03: you might get against a really top 25 team,
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_03: certainly,
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_03: you might get one of those a game where it's like,
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_03: boom, that's easy money touchdown.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_03: And if you don't capitalize like that, that could be your shot.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_01: 100%.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: When everything works how you dream it's going to work, you have to collect that.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: It is free money.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: Because it doesn't ever really happen like that.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_01: You have to be.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_01: When it works like it's supposed to, you've got to cash it every time.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_03: And I think also,
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_03: before we talk a little more about the defense,
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_03: which, you know, got to be fair and balanced here.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_03: There were some very, very good things to talk about.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's what was most frustrating about the fourth and goal play,
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_03: was that, like, that should have been a touchdown.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_03: You know,
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_03: if you're Jed Fish looking at it,
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_03: and I'm sure on review,
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_03: and Michael Switzer,
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_03: the offensive line coach who we got a chance to talk to on Tuesday,
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_03: kind of broke it down and Just said like, hey,
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_03: frontside guard misses an assignment and backside tackle and guard don't climb to
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_03: the second level physically enough.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, he felt like they had it manned up there.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_03: They had, you know, they should have had hat on hat.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, we talked a little before, right?
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_03: Like even in a situation where you feel like you've got hat on hat,
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_03: You don't even really need to block it flawlessly to get a yard, right?
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_03: To open up a huge running lane and get like an explosive run in the open field, sure.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_03: But, you know, it doesn't even need to be perfect to get a yard at the goal line.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, give 98 on Wazoo credit, you know, awesome play to get penetration.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_03: But I think they probably watched that back and thought,
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_03: you know, Like what Jed Fish said at half time, like you can't score there.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_03: Like, what are you doing?
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_03: You know, so.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_03: Palpable disgust was how it described Jed Fish's reaction to
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: that play.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_01: Palpable disgust.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_03: A miss in the passing game,
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_03: a miss in the running game that they feel like should have been points.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_03: The defense was what you thought it was, I think.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_03: And there's some bad in that.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_03: It's a very minor portion.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_03: It's almost all good.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_03: The bad is 45 yards and penalties by Ryland Dillard Allen alone.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_03: Jacob Manu, a veteran, extending a drive with a dead ball, taunting foul, which...
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_03: I think Jed Fish was particularly not pleased with.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_03: Something you could joke about after because you won the game,
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_03: but in the moment was just like, senior captain, like, really?
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_03: You're doing this?
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that also, that's kind of a point of emphasis, it seems like, for officials this year.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: You can't stand over the guy.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: You can't stand over the dude.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, you're right.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that drive you had, there were two times where Washington was going to be off the field.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: Two times where they were going to be off the field,
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: and then they weren't because of very unnecessary personal fouls.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: Ranzak Fruin,
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_01: I want to give him the benefit of the doubt because I don't think he really tried
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_01: to level the quarterback and it looked like Pinnock was ready to fall down as soon
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: as he got touched.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: That said, that was really dumb.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_01: You can't run into him.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: Even if you're not lowering your shoulder, he was standing on the sideline.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: God, that was brutal.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_03: He did it right in front of Ryan Walters, too.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_03: So you could see, like, the camera captured Walters' reaction probably the whole time.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_03: You could just see he's just like, oh, no, what are you doing?
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_03: It's the ones on the sideline that I'm sure are most aggravating for coaches
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_03: because, like, you had nothing to gain.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_03: You had no advantage to gain.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_03: You're just trying to get a hit in on the quarterback,
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_03: which maybe there is something to gain there, right?
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_03: Like, you remind the guy throughout the game,
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_03: and he Every time we get a chance to put you on the ground,
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_03: we're going to do it type of thing.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_03: But he had conceded.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_03: He was out.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_03: He was off the field.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_03: The play was over.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_03: You knew it was ending.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_03: He was nowhere near the sticks.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_03: That's one that... And Walters talked about this on Tuesday as well, where he's just like...
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_03: Will it continue?
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_03: It can't continue.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_03: If it continues, these guys won't play.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: It seemed pretty clear because it looked like they pulled Fruin out for at least
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: a series after the penalty.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: And Rylan Dillard-Allen, the targeting...
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_03: Targeting is less of an issue, I think.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_01: I thought it was targeting, how it's called, but I don't really understand targeting.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: I also, there's especially in,
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_01: there's certain targeting fouls where I'm like,
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: if that's going to be a penalty, you just have to take it.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't think, he didn't launch at him or anything.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_01: He was bracing and making a tackle.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, you don't want him to lower his head.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: And It was clear the quarterback was running out of bounds.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: Like, it was clear.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: Rylan Dillard Allen had also run a long way.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, on the late hit?
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_01: On the late hit.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_01: He'd also run an awful long way, and the quarterback was steering out of bounds.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I guess maybe it's just my affection for hard-hitting safeties.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: I'm...
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: Rylan Dillard-Allen's two penalties weren't as troublesome to me as the Manu
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: and Fruin penalties.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_03: Fair enough.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_03: Fair enough.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, the targeting, like, it's bang-bang.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_03: You know, maybe one crew calls it this way, one crew calls it another way.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I don't...
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_03: That's not one that you put in the category of,
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_03: like, oh, Rylan Dillard-Allen needs to do a better job finding the line.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: He...
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: You don't want him to lower his head.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_01: You don't want him to lower his head.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: But that's a tackling technique thing as opposed to other penalties
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_01: where you see really launching and really extending it,
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_01: trying to hit the guy with the crown of the helmet.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't think that was the case here.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_01: He was bracing for a collision.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's definitely the coaching point, right?
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_03: It's not like,
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_03: let's not spend any time analyzing and trying
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_03: to figure out should this have been called or not?
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_03: Like, what can you do in the future?
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_03: Like, get your head out of there, right?
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_03: Leave your, leave your head out of it.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_03: I know, you know, Jimmy Lake used to talk like with Jojo McIntosh.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_03: Where he'd say, like, I hope they call it every time.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_03: They should call it.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_03: Because,
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_03: you're lucky to get targeting called instead of,
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_03: you know, having to load you onto a stretcher.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_03: And take you off the field.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_03: Like, they're doing this for you.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_03: It's not just for the protection of the people you hit, you know.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_03: I heard,
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_03: I think it was on his coach's show,
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_03: Jed Fish sort of talking in similar terms about, like,
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_03: he said,
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_03: you know, look,
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_03: we tell Rylan,
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_03: Dillard Allen,
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_03: and, you know, all the players that we want you to play for a long time.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_03: And it's not just about, like, don't get kicked out of the game.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_03: It's not just about, you know, play clean and don't try to hurt anybody.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_03: But, you know, the rule's there to protect your health, too.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_03: So...
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: When Fish was talking about this,
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_01: I thought this might have been the quote that I was most interested in from
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_01: the Tuesday press conference.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_01: No, wait.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: Was it Monday?
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_03: It was Monday, yeah.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_01: Short week.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_01: All screwed up this week.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: They played on Sunday.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_01: It was a holiday on Monday.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: He was talking about sort of the basically learning on the job and the youth that this team has.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: I think we have to also just keep in mind, you know, this is a very young team.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_00: And to play in the Apple Cup week one in front of a sold out group when you're 17, 18, 19.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_00: We're not like some of these other teams that are having 22 and 23 and 24 year olds
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_00: on their roster.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: So we're going to live with mistakes that some of these other teams might not have to live with.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_00: I think we're going to live with some penalties that other teams might not have to live with.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_00: We're going to live with an edginess.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_00: Because that's what happens when you're 17, 18, 19, and you're being thrown into the war zone.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: But what we can't live with is we don't want to commit some penalties that we know we can avoid.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_01: When I first heard that, My reaction was it's kind of like wanting your cake and eating it too.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like we've got all this young talent, but I don't want to put too much pressure on him.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_01: And as I thought about it, I was like, no, I think that is really true.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: I think one of the reasons that Washington in part has landed the caliber
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_01: of recruits it has is because it's offering an immediate path to playing at
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: a prominent Big Ten program.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's one of the things that has gotten them some of the players that it's gotten.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_01: The trade-off for that is Is that you are going to have to live with some learning on the job.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that is always worth it.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_01: Because as players gain experience and build confidence,
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: I do think that some of those, their judgment becomes bad.
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: So when I first heard it,
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: I really thought it was trying to talk your way out of the fact that these guys
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_01: that you think so much of have to perform.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: And when I thought about it, was, no, I think that is true.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I think in general for the offensive line as well.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: Expect this group to grow and get better.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_01: What you see in week one is not the finished product.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_01: And you may actually see a much bigger change because of how many young players that
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_01: a true freshman,
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_01: what they play like now and what they look like in November,
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: you might see a radical shift or elevation in the level that they perform at.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_03: And I think it's more...
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_03: It's more nuanced too than, oh,
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_03: we got a bunch of young players and sometimes they're just going to be bad
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_03: and we got to live with them being bad because they don't live
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_03: with them playing poorly or not executing their assignments.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_03: Darren Hatchett played the entire second half at right guard, right?
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_03: There was a reason for that.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_03: I think there was a planned rotation there,
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_03: but there were some plays not being made, there were some penalties, and so...
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_03: They went with somebody else.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_03: Cody Green probably also doesn't love the way he played,
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_03: but I think they also noted his positive reps, his good plays.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_03: Similar to quarterback, it's a true freshman starting at left tackle.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_03: You can't just yank that guy out if he loses some reps.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_03: You've got to let him grow and play through.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_03: But I think too about...
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, there's a bunch of young guys and they're going to make mistakes.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_03: Ramzak Fruin made some unbelievable plays in this game.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_03: It was the whole thing of,
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_03: are you really seeing what you're seeing at spring practice and training camp?
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_03: Is this guy really going to be that good once the lights come on?
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_03: And he didn't win every rep, right?
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_03: He had some welcome to college football moments too,
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_03: but he forces a fumble out of Like sheer hustle on the Rylan Dillard Allen targeting
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_03: that otherwise would have been a huge play.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_03: Gets his arm on a Caden Pinnock pass.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_03: He's involved in the backfield on a couple other pass plays.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_03: He's got a,
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_03: I forget if he had a TFL or if maybe it was just like a one yard run where he gets
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_03: in there and pulls the running back back.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_03: And you saw from him exactly what you were kind of expecting based on practice,
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_03: but also got pushed around a little bit.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_03: Commits a bad penalty.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_03: And so those are that's some of the give and take, right?
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_03: It's not like, oh, yeah,
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_03: like these guys are young and they're just going to have games
• 39:07
  SPEAKER_03: where they get dominated.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_03: You know, maybe that day comes.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_03: Who knows?
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_03: It's like, hey,
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_03: alongside the awesome plays that these young guys make that prove why they're on
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_03: the field,
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_03: like the negatives are going to show up in probably a pretty big way at times
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_03: as well.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: The for Ramzak Fruin, I think the biggest shift that I saw in the game was that first run.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_01: I hesitate to say like, oh, it was completely because you never know what a guy's asked.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_01: It sure looked like he chased the running back and gave up the weak side and let
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_01: the quarterback out the back end.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_01: And it absolutely makes sense to me why
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_01: the Washington State offensive coordinator would say, hey,
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_01: on this first one,
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_01: let's see if we can catch him leaning,
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: get him to chase where he thinks the ball is going,
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: and that frees our quarterback up.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: When you saw how he played.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_01: That sort of read option later in the game,
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_01: including that tackle that you're pointing out where he grabbed the running back
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: from behind,
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_01: absolutely squared up,
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_01: did it the way you're supposed to and not over-pursuing,
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_01: kind of allowing yourself the chance where if the quarterback still does have
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: the ball, you're not giving up the edge.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I thought Ramczak, I was impressed with how he played overall.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_03: That Derek Coleman Russo was what you hoped he'd be, too.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_03: Very disruptive.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_03: He's got a TFL, almost TKO'd the center judge after it as well, which was funny.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_03: Jed Fish had a pretty funny reaction to that, too, when he was asked about it on Monday.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, yeah, that would have been a tough one.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know what the rule is on that.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_03: If you deck the center judge in celebration accidentally.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_03: Obviously, the deflection on the turnover and...
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_03: You saw it all show up.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_03: And, you know, there's so much emphasis on the young guys.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_03: But, I mean,
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_03: Jacob Manu was exactly kind of what you saw throughout spring and what we saw
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_03: of him.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_03: Absolute beast.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_03: Looked fully healthy.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_03: Alex McLaughlin making plays as you would expect.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_01: The Manu's Blitz where he got the sack was one of my favorite because if you look at
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: the replay,
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_01: he basically just turns his body to make it look like he's going to run out toward
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_01: the flat.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_01: Coffeehouse, right?
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_01: And then just pivots back in and then just makes a beeline for the quarterback.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_01: And it was exactly like the guy that was assigned to block him was told to read,
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_01: if he's going to bail, then you've got to look for someone else.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't even a head fake.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_01: He just turned his body, then pivoted, and then right to the quarterback.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_03: Russell Davis got a sack on like literally his first play since the UCLA game 2024
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_03: where he had three sacks on a forced and recovered fumble.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_03: So that guy's per snap havoc rate as a Washington Husky is about as high
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_03: as it could possibly be.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_03: It's just a matter of keeping him healthy and building him up and being able
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_03: to maximize his reps and everything.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_03: But I think that's a big plus to get him involved in the pass rush right away in week one.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_01: Is that an advanced metric per snap havoc rate?
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_03: Havoc rate is.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know that anyone's...
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_03: I guess it wouldn't be that hard, right?
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_03: All you got to do is import PFF data.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_03: Havoc rate.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_03: No, Havoc rate is.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_03: Havoc rate is.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_03: This was the... Are you serious?
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_03: I forget if it's sacks, TFLs, and turnovers.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, they're basically the rate at which you create negative plays for the offense.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_03: Havoc.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_01: Havoc rate.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_01: I was unfamiliar with the Havoc rate.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_03: Their Havoc rate was 28% in this game.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_03: That's a 98th percentile.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_03: It's a defense, man.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_03: They looked good.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_03: Dylan Robinson was not targeted in coverage.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_03: No, they stayed away from him.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_03: I thought Emmanuel Carnley involved around the ball, right, with two pass breakups.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_03: Both of them pretty impressive.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_01: Sean Clark looked good as a returner.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: He fielded one kick he should not have fielded,
• 43:22
  SPEAKER_01: and it looked like he heard about that right away.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, do you think?
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, seemed like he got some immediate guidance on what he should do in the future.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_01: I thought he looked good.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_01: When Ryland Dillard Allen was thrown out,
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_01: it looked like they went to a nickel because you saw both John Jones
• 43:41
  SPEAKER_01: and Rashawn Clark in the game.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_01: Could you tell who was playing safety?
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_03: I think they moved Clark back to free safety.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_01: He might have been
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_03: doing some safety stuff earlier today.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_03: In the game too.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_03: Like again,
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_03: it's not just going to be as straightforward with Ryan Walters as,
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_03: you know, five guys are out there and these are their distinct positions.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_03: Like they're going to,
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_03: they have the,
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_03: these are the best five or the best six and let's figure out how to,
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_03: I've had some people suggest like,
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, could Rashawn Clark play some running back, you know?
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_03: Guy's got ball skills and he's shifty.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_03: He's got vision.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_03: You know, he's handling both.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_03: You don't see a lot of guys return kicks and punts anymore.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_01: No, because it's a different skill set.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_01: The punt returner really is a test of quickness where you're going to have
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_01: to make one guy miss in a tight space.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: And a kickoff returner is much more a test of...
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_01: In some ways,
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_01: kind of courage because you're going to get up to a high end speed and
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_01: the possibility of massive collision.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_01: I know in the NFL, like Golden Tate was a great punt returner, wanted no part of kickoff return.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_01: And Percy Harvin,
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_01: one of the best kickoff returners in the NFL the past 25 years,
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_01: wanted no part of punts.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like they generally are different skill sets.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: So it's pretty impressive that he's doing both.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_03: I'm embarrassed that we're 46 minutes into this podcast
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_03: without having discussed this,
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_03: but I'm glad you mentioned the Seahawks because it provides a nice segue.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_03: When you watch the Seahawks and they stall out offensively,
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_03: if you're a Seahawks fan, that's a bummer, right?
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_03: But it also means that Michael Dixon takes the field.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_03: And, hey, look at this.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, well, yeah, I'd rather still have the ball, but now let's watch this.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_03: Look at what this guy can do.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_03: I think the Washington Huskies might have a guy like that in Hunter Green.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_01: Sure looks like it.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_01: It sure looks like it.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_01: The punter is...
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_01: The kicker is an exceptionally important position that everybody knows of its importance.
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_01: And you don't really want to talk about it all that much because there's not that much to add.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_01: If it's going good, you don't want to jinx it.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_01: If it's going bad, you want it to start going better.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_01: The punter is someone whose performance, it's kind of a bummer when they come onto the field.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_01: However, huge weapon in terms of field position.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_01: And Hunter Green, he looks really good.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, taught some folks a rule also.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_03: I can't say I immediately knew that a punt return muffed into the end zone was ruled
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_03: a touchback, but obviously that was...
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I didn't know what that was either.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: When it happened,
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: because I was watching it here with my friend Blair,
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_01: and I didn't know what the rule was.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't realize that.
• 46:33
  SPEAKER_01: And actually, it kind of seems wrong to me that it's a touchback.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's...
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_03: Because he fair caught it, right?
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_01: He signaled for the fair catch, he muffs it, and then he gets the touchback.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_01: I guess you would say, well,
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_01: there's a chance that the coverage team recovers it for a touchdown,
• 46:53
  SPEAKER_01: so that's the penalty that you get for muffing it.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_01: But it kind of seems to me that you get a little bit of a reward for failing to make
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_01: the fair catch where you indicated you were going to make the fair catch.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and I have seen some people say like,
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_03: well, why wouldn't every returner just do that instead of catching it?
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_03: And it's like, well, you are...
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_03: You're taking a pretty big risk there.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_03: Like it would take it would take a pretty coordinated effort to like pull
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_03: that off intentionally and would not be the reward would not be worth the risk.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think having a punter with a leg like
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_03: that basically means like there's nowhere on the field you can be stopped
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_03: where you're not still confident you can flip the field and which sounds, you know.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_03: An obvious point, I know, but not a privilege that every college football program enjoys.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_03: And so when you have someone who can reliably kick it 65 yards,
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_03: 60 to 65 yards,
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_03: when they're really airing it out,
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_03: you get stopped on your own 20-yard line,
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_03: you know, you're forcing a Returner to catch it at their own 20.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_03: And if you cover well, you can still come out with decent field position for your defense there.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_03: And like Jed Fish said, he kind of credited Hunter Green for both of those muffed punts.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_03: When it's that high and also when you're forcing the returner to turn and retreat
• 48:15
  SPEAKER_03: to catch the ball, it all adds up.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_01: As someone who has experienced less than optimal punters during my time as
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_01: a Washington Husky fan,
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'm really excited about having what appears to be a very, very good punter.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_03: And then, you know, Tyler Robles hits a 48-yarder.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_03: Which I think you feel good about, that being his very first kick.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_03: And then yanked a, what, 29-yarder that you could tell he just couldn't believe he missed that.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_03: Would not expect him to miss a lot from inside of 30 going forward.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_01: He's also got some steez, man.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_01: I like Mustache Kicker.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah?
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I like Mustache Kicker.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_01: Stache is making a comeback in general in popularity?
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I like having Mustache Kicker.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_03: I saw Grady Gross joined a lawsuit in Arizona seeking an injunction,
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_03: a state-level injunction, to play this year.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_03: Both him and Taitai Uyunglele were at the game just wearing their jersey but
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_03: in street clothes, not suited up.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_03: So everything's still TBD there.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody's threatened to throw Washington out of the conference, though.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_03: Not yet, no.
• 49:29
  SPEAKER_03: How about that?
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_03: Expel them.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_03: Seems like that's over or close to over.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_03: Seems like LSU blinked.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, like they set their roster and didn't.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_03: That's the thing.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_03: They were going to expel them.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_03: They never did the thing, you know?
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_03: Like they never actually added those guys.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_01: I think that was,
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_01: I think that was,
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_01: reading between the lines,
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_01: I think what happened was the SEC told them Before the first game,
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_01: if you add them to the roster, we're going to move to Bucu.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_01: And then everybody piped down,
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_01: except for Lane,
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_01: and Lane made the comment at halftime in the interview with Holly Rowe,
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_01: where he's like, could you imagine if we had pro players?
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I think the SEC was then like,
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_01: all right, we're going to move forward to make it clear we can kick you out.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, if you do it and then LSU set because last weekend they didn't add them to
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_01: the roster, but they left two spots and now, now the roster is filled.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like those guys aren't going to play.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, shout out to Andy Yamashita from the Seattle Times for ranking Western Michigan.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_03: One of the brave few.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_03: They only got 12.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_03: This is what I don't understand.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_03: Michigan fell out of the top 25.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 50:44
  SPEAKER_03: After winning that game officially.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_03: Western Michigan got only 12 points in the poll.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_03: Week one, neither of these teams have played.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_03: One of them was ranked 16th nationally.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_03: Played in a way that caused voters to believe they no longer belonged in the top 25.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_03: The team that they played against, also playing its first game of the season.
• 51:15
  SPEAKER_03: This is the only data we have.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_03: Only got 12 points in the poll.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_03: I don't get it.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_01: I think you're asking logic to intercede in an inherently biased project.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_03: What's Ian got for us?
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Ian's got two tickets that he's asking us to give away.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_03: That's right.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_01: This was, and shout out to Ian, this was first Husky game he was watching without his dad.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it hit him in his heart a little bit.
• 51:49
  SPEAKER_01: And as someone who's lost both my parents, I can definitely appreciate and feel for that.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_01: But Ian had some tickets for this weekend's game,
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_01: and he wanted two of them to go to a Say Who Say Pod listener, who...
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_01: Would parent and child go into the game?
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_01: Looking to go to the Utah State game, but a parent and child pairing.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_01: How do you want to give them away?
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_01: Do you want to have them email, first person to email one of us?
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think is the best way to do?
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_03: As I understand it, pretty good seats, too.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_03: I think 50-yard line, forget exactly where.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_01: I think they might even be covered.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what the weather forecast is, but I think they might be undercover.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_01: So if it happened to be wet, you're not going to get wet.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_01: Solid, solid seats.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_01: Should we just do the first person to email me?
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_01: Wanting a parent and child combo,
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_01: my email is Danny, D-A-N-N-Y, at Danny O'Neill, D-A-N-N-Y, O-N-E-I-L.com.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_01: Include a little story that we can pass along to Ian.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_01: I know he's looking to kind of share the...
• 53:03
  SPEAKER_01: Bond that he had with his dad over Husky football, hoping to encourage that in another family.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_01: And here is our weekly conversation with IP McFarland.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_02: Good morning, guys.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_02: My audio has been absolute garbage lately,
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_02: so I'm trying to do it in a soundproof booth to see if that improves it.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_02: New season, new experiences.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_02: Let's start with the game day.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_02: Was great a setting on the sidelines last year?
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_02: I think it was.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_02: But if the booster that is forcing this down our throats is listening, would you just call me?
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_02: And we'll just have a conversation as two adults who are both clearly passionate
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_02: about the University of Washington's football team.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_02: Because
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_02: that attitude of worrying about the setting It perpetuates what is reality,
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_02: which is it's not a very good environment anymore.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_02: Pre-game,
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_02: when they were doing that absurd training on say who,
• 54:15
  SPEAKER_02: I was one of maybe two people in my section who were looking
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_02: at it cross-eyed saying, these ain't the words and this isn't working.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_02: They keep trying to make fetch happen.
• 54:30
  SPEAKER_02: There was no longing by the fan base to do the Say Who chant, except for by a handful of us.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_02: And the way that it was rolled out was, it was just ham-fisted and strange.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_02: It didn't feel like something that there was longing for.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_02: The only way these traditions work is when they start organically with the students,
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_02: and then you can blow them out to the rest of the stadium.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_02: Ideally that happens organically,
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_02: but if you want to force it a little bit,
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_02: that's fine,
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_02: but it's got to start with the students and it's got to be something people want
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_02: to do.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_02: This wasn't one of them.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_02: Onto my question.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_02: Given the offensive performance,
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_02: which DeMond had the great move to juke three guys at a vital point in time.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_02: It was an incredible play.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_02: And Lawson had a fantastic game.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'd love to see the stats on rushing.
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_02: I thought the right side of the offensive line was great.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_02: Getting pushed, rushing the ball.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_02: The left side was not.
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_02: And they just kept going left.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_02: And now two running backs are down.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_02: Have you adjusted your expectations for this team?
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_02: I think Christian and I were both at nine wins and Danny was at ten.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_02: I think I have dropped it to eight.
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_02: The injuries piled up with The lack of offense to begin with, I'm a little concerned.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_02: I wish you guys a good week.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_02: Go Dawgs.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_01: That question of adjusted expectations is an interesting one,
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_01: because if you're asking about, like, what do I expect them to do?
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like, put my rational brain in place?
• 56:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_01: This impacted it.
• 56:22
  SPEAKER_01: Do I think they're going to be able to, with the schedule they have, win 10 games?
• 56:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, this impacted.
• 56:29
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think they're, I wouldn't say they're likely to win 10 games right now.
• 56:33
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't change my expectations or my hope or what I think this team could do.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_01: What I want them to do.
• 56:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I still think that idea of like, yeah, you won the game and you're 1-0.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_01: You now have two games that you really should win.
• 56:51
  SPEAKER_01: And then the conference season will start.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_01: I don't feel like I'm in a,
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_01: that it shifts what I want to happen, if that makes sense.
• 57:05
  SPEAKER_01: So logically, yes.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_01: In terms of emotion, no, not at all.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I guess we touched on this a little bit earlier.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_03: If I back off nine and three at all, it's really just because of the running back health.
• 57:19
  SPEAKER_03: And it's probably more fair to say like,
• 57:22
  SPEAKER_03: well, let's see a couple games of a Trey Cooley, Brian Bonner.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_03: Onsu Sano, whoever else, rotation.
• 57:31
  SPEAKER_03: How does it break down?
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_03: Who's good at what?
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_03: How lacking are they going to be in areas that they wouldn't have been as lacking
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_03: with Quaid Carr and Jaden Lamar?
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_03: And then, you know, let's also wait to find out, like, how long is Jaden Lamar going to be out?
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_03: You know, like, Jed Fish was asked, are those guys out for the season?
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_03: And he said, I don't know yet.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_03: Do we get a timeline for either?
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, if Quaid Carr had surgery, like,
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_03: I'd probably be in the camp of, like, let's not, you know, hold your breath on...
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_03: You know, just if he comes back, then it's gravy kind of thing.
• 58:02
  SPEAKER_03: I really, you know, really have no clue, right?
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_03: Don't know what the exact injury is.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_03: Don't know what the prognosis, the timeline.
• 58:08
  SPEAKER_03: So, you know, I would like to learn a little bit more.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe we won't, but a little bit more about the timeline.
• 58:13
  SPEAKER_03: Maybe you can get one of those guys back in, you know, sooner than the other, whatever.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 58:21
  SPEAKER_03: Having even one of them against certain opponents might make a difference.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_03: But you're probably at that point getting more granular than you should with how,
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_03: again,
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_03: like how concerning the offensive line's lack of physicality was in
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_03: a season opening rivalry game.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_03: And I think you need to see that addressed before you even really start to worry
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_03: about like, well, what can the running backs give you?
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_03: So I don't know.
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_03: I'm
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_03: I'm probably in the camp that I want to see some more football before I say
• 58:55
  SPEAKER_03: that whatever I thought about this team will be different or the same based
• 59:00
  SPEAKER_03: on four quarters.
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_03: In full agreement with anybody who thought the offense would be better,
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_03: especially that they'd be able to impose their will physically a little bit more
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_03: than they did up front.
• 59:17
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's aside from the running back health, which...
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_03: Is something you can't control.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_03: I think that the offensive line performance was concern number one coming out of that game.
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's interesting.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_01: As you're talking this through, I think you're 100% right.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_01: The sort of the issues are two different issues, though.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_01: Running back is about, OK,
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_01: how does this big unknown position where we didn't know much about any of
• 59:42
  SPEAKER_01: the running backs they had and now they've lost their two top guys,
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_01: which is terrible, right?
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's not doesn't make anybody better.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's a huge problem.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_01: The second issue is.
• 59:54
  SPEAKER_01: The offensive line, it's a question of how much better they're going to get over the year.
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_01: Are you going to see improvement?
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_01: You should see improvement.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_01: You've got a true freshman at left tackle,
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_01: a true sophomore at left guard,
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_01: You didn't play your starting center in Landon Hatchett.
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_01: And Chantalea Lea did not have...
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_01: He made too many mistakes in the first half and you ended up seeing him replaced.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_01: You should see improvement along that front.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_01: They do need to improve.
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_01: I think you can say it's reasonable that that will happen.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_01: Will it improve enough for them to...
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_01: So I wouldn't change my prediction yet, I guess would be my
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_03: My answer to Ian.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_03: Now, they play Utah State on Saturday.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_03: Utah State lost to Idaho State.
• 1:01:02
  SPEAKER_03: The Jaguars.
• 1:01:04
  SPEAKER_03: So, a Pac-12 team.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_03: But a team that, you know, this game shouldn't be close.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_03: If you again struggle to run the ball, I mean,
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_03: even with your number three,
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_03: number four tailbacks,
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_03: you know,
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_03: if you can't move some guys up front in this game,
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_03: then you really start to,
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_03: I think, worry about, well, what does it look like going forward?
• 1:01:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_03: Weird to say you're going to have a get-right game after you beat your rival by two touchdowns.
• 1:01:39
  SPEAKER_03: But if you believe Washington needs a get-right game,
• 1:01:41
  SPEAKER_03: like these weeks two and week three are sort of the opportunities, right?
• 1:01:47
  SPEAKER_03: Usually,
• 1:01:50
  SPEAKER_03: this and the next week would be the opponents you start with more so
• 1:01:56
  SPEAKER_03: than Washington State,
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_03: which looks like even in a transition year and New roster and everything.
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_03: I think they got issues offensively, but they play hard and they look well coached.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_03: They were picked to finish fifth, I think, fourth or fifth in the new Pac-12.
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_01: I would pick them to finish higher based on how I think that defense is.
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_03: Well, there were polls that had,
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_03: the one poll I looked at, I think had Fresno State ahead of them.
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_03: And watching both of their, again, one, four quarters of data for each.
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_03: They played very different opponents.
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_03: You know, maybe USC is really just that good.
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I didn't see anything from Fresno State's offense,
• 1:02:31
  SPEAKER_03: at least, that made me like, and they just looked completely overwhelmed.
• 1:02:37
  SPEAKER_01: As a longtime USC hater, Trojans looked really good.
• 1:02:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm someone who tends to think that they're soft and overrated.
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_01: They look really good, man.
• 1:02:49
  SPEAKER_01: I think they gave up like 24 points to San Jose State, but that was all in the fourth quarter.
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_01: That team looks freaking fast.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:02:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_01: Last question from me for you.
• 1:03:01
  SPEAKER_01: Had you ever heard that there was a secret clock that is the official clock?
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_01: That was freaking hilarious, man.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_01: This stupid sport.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's just
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_03: like, God.
• 1:03:11
  SPEAKER_03: One week, you know.
• 1:03:13
  SPEAKER_03: Finally,
• 1:03:13
  SPEAKER_03: the game started and we got,
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_03: you're seeing all the stadiums around the country and crowds and you got football
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_03: and everyone's talking about LSU and the SEC and Michigan and Western Michigan and
• 1:03:29
  SPEAKER_03: the clock and the Big Ten and the Big Ten statement, Mac statement, SEC statement.
• 1:03:35
  SPEAKER_03: Here's the lawsuit.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_03: Here's the injunction.
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_03: LSU president said, Louisiana governor said,
• 1:03:43
  SPEAKER_03: Welcome back to college football.
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's great.
• 1:03:48
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 1:03:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I absolutely, I've absolutely enjoyed every second of it.
• 1:03:53
  SPEAKER_01: More chaos, please.
• 1:03:56
  SPEAKER_01: We'll talk to you next week.
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_01: Peace.