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Joe Rogan Experience 2460 Rachel Wilson · Bedtime Stories

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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  Speaker 1: Hello, Andrew.
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  Speaker 2: What's happening?
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  Speaker 1: Hello, Joe.
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  Speaker 2: Very nice to see you again. Good to see you, too.
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  Speaker 2: So when your husband, Andrew, came in here, he told
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  Speaker 2: me about your book. And then I talked to you,
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  Speaker 2: and you seemed very interesting. And you gave me a
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  Speaker 2: little brief synopsis of it. And so then I listened
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  Speaker 2: to it on audio tape, and it's fucking crazy. And
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  Speaker 2: it is the... Occult Feminism, The Secret History of Women's Liberation.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I didn't really have much of an opinion
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  Speaker 2: on feminism. My opinion was, you know, unfortunately you run
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  Speaker 2: into some feminists that just seem to not like men
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  Speaker 2: for whatever reason. And, you know, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people in this world that aren't happy with their position
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  Speaker 2: or station in life. But I didn't really think too
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  Speaker 2: much into how this all got started until I listened
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  Speaker 2: to your book. And I'm like, this is kind of bonkers.
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  Speaker 2: So before we get into your book, how did you
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  Speaker 2: decide to write about this? What was your little journey
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  Speaker 2: or big journey?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of a big journey. So when I
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  Speaker 1: was growing up, I was in all the advanced kid classes.
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  Speaker 1: And from the time I was in kindergarten, it was
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  Speaker 1: just pounded into my head like, you're going to college,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to have a career. You know, you're smart
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  Speaker 1: and you have to do something with that. It was
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  Speaker 1: like the only option that was put before me. And
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  Speaker 1: so I followed that path like all the way through school.
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  Speaker 1: And by the time I got done with 12 years
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  Speaker 1: of regular school, I realized a couple of things. One
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  Speaker 1: is school is not where you go to learn things.
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  Speaker 1: School isn't public. School is not so great for smart
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  Speaker 1: people for the most part. And that I really didn't
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  Speaker 1: like like another four years of school just sounded like
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  Speaker 1: hell to me. And I really just wanted to get
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  Speaker 1: married and have kids. That's kind of what I always
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  Speaker 1: wanted to do, much to the horror of my Marxist
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  Speaker 1: feminist mother, who did not like that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you were indoctrinated at an early age.
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  Speaker 1: Well, she tried, but I was the why kid. I
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  Speaker 1: was the kid that's just like, why?
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  Speaker 2: Why? But why?
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  Speaker 1: And I had like a Rush Limbaugh dad.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: They got divorced. Shocker. Who could have seen it coming?
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  Speaker 1: So they got divorced when I was like nine. And
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  Speaker 1: I had so I grew up in like two worlds.
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  Speaker 1: I had like Republican business owner Rush Limbaugh dad and
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  Speaker 1: I had Marxist feminist crazy mom. Mom.
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  Speaker 2: Was the mom always Marxist feminist? And was the dad
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  Speaker 2: always like a Rush Limbaugh Republican?
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: How did they fall in love? How did all that happen?
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  Speaker 1: They didn't. I was an accident.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, so they just fall in lust.
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  Speaker 1: I was like an oops baby. And my dad said
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  Speaker 1: that when he saw me, he was like, well, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want anybody else. Like, this is the only thing
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  Speaker 1: that matters to me. So I'm going to make this work.
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  Speaker 1: And he tried his best.
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  Speaker 2: How did they even hook up? With such radically different ideologies.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think they were talking about that sort of
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  Speaker 1: thing when they got together. They were probably hanging out
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  Speaker 1: at a bar.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, so they didn't really know each other very well.
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  Speaker 1: Not really.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: They were kind of like, they worked in the same
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  Speaker 1: place and met at work and then had like a
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  Speaker 1: fling and then I was born. Yeah. Yeah. So I
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  Speaker 1: had divorced parents. Yeah. It was really rough because my
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  Speaker 1: mother like hated my dad. She could never tell you
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  Speaker 1: anything he did wrong. It was just like he's an
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  Speaker 1: evil white patriarchal bad Republican man. One of my earliest
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  Speaker 1: memories is them fighting over the Bush-Dukakis election in 88
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  Speaker 1: and threatening to lock each other in the house so
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  Speaker 1: that the one couldn't cancel the other one's vote and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I know. Fun.
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  Speaker 2: It was fun. Was this before after Kitty Dukakis drank mouthwash?
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  Speaker 2: Or what did she drink? She drank something like that.
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  Speaker 1: I think so.
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  Speaker 2: Aftershave or mouthwash to try to get drunk?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The pressure of the election must have been so insane.
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  Speaker 2: And this is pre-social media, right? And this lady was
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  Speaker 2: already struggling with alcoholism. And I think she was hospitalized
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  Speaker 2: for drinking something that was not a drink. Can we
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  Speaker 2: find out what that was? It was really crazy, right?
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  Speaker 2: Do you remember that?
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  Speaker 1: I just remember that whole election being crazy. Pretty nuts, like,
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  Speaker 1: as far as, like, the Democrats versus Republicans. And this
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  Speaker 1: was when Democrats were more like how Republicans are right now.
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  Speaker 1: They weren't, like, super insane.
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  Speaker 2: Dukakis tried to ride in a tank to make everybody
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  Speaker 2: think he was, like, a pro-war tough guy. Remember that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I remember, read my lips, no new taxes and
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  Speaker 1: all that stuff. So, like, I had this going on, like,
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  Speaker 1: as a kid. So I think my brain was already
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  Speaker 1: thinking about this sort of stuff from the time I
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  Speaker 1: was little.
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  Speaker 2: Rubbing alcohol.
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  Speaker 1: Ooh.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Nail polish remover.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my God. She drank nail polish remover. Holy shit.
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  Speaker 1: She couldn't just huff paint like normal person.
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  Speaker 2: Very open about her struggles with alcohol and addiction to
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  Speaker 2: amphetamines to reduce the stigma surrounding these issues. Later detailing
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  Speaker 2: these experiences in her books.
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  Speaker 1: Huh?
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So my parents were like ready to kill each
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  Speaker 1: other over that. And so they divorced. Right after that,
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  Speaker 1: they divorced. And so I'd spend time with dad and
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  Speaker 1: I'd spend time with mom. And I had two completely
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  Speaker 1: different realities and worldviews. And I think growing up like that,
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  Speaker 1: you're trying to sort out what's true. You're trying to
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  Speaker 1: figure out, like, is there any merit to what mom's
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  Speaker 1: saying the world is or any merit to what dad's
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  Speaker 1: saying the world is? And I think dad was more
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  Speaker 1: persuasive and better at pulling me his direction because I
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  Speaker 1: never really absorbed. Like, I always thought Marxism was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: faking gay and stupid.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I just never bought into it at all.
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  Speaker 2: Why at an early age did you think that?
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  Speaker 1: Because I already had seen that, you know, we're not
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  Speaker 1: all born equal with equal things. And some people work
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  Speaker 1: much harder. Some people have natural gifts and talents. And
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  Speaker 1: to think that, because my mother would literally say stuff
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  Speaker 1: in the house, like from, you know, from each person
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  Speaker 1: according to their ability to each person according to their need.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, Even when I do that in class,
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  Speaker 1: like if there's a group project, everybody wants me on
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  Speaker 1: their team because I'm the smart kid who's going to
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  Speaker 1: do the homework. I end up doing everything and everybody
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  Speaker 1: else gets the A even though I did everything.
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  Speaker 2: Those are the people that are really into socialism.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: The people that have fast stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And so like from being a little kid, I even
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  Speaker 1: noticed like, no, things aren't equal and things aren't always fair.
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  Speaker 1: And it depends on, you know. your natural skills and abilities,
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  Speaker 1: and then what you do with those things, because there's
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  Speaker 1: lots of people, like my mother was super talented, really
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  Speaker 1: intelligent person, but she was so like emotionally chaotic. She
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  Speaker 1: never applied them to anything. She never really got anywhere
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  Speaker 1: or did anything. She had big dreams of what she
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  Speaker 1: thought she should have and never really got there because
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  Speaker 1: she was so like emotionally unregulated and kind of chaotic.
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  Speaker 1: So I just kind of saw that, no, there's not
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  Speaker 1: this like thing where you can just even the playing
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  Speaker 1: field and make it all equal for everyone. That's not
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  Speaker 1: how it works.
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  Speaker 2: There's also a thing that if you're locked up in
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  Speaker 2: something like Marxism, if that's your ideology, you're in this
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  Speaker 2: constant struggle with the rest of the world all the
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  Speaker 2: time where you want to bend it to your ideology.
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  Speaker 2: You want to change it. And so even if you're
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  Speaker 2: a very intelligent person, your daily mindset is struggle. Your
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  Speaker 2: daily mindset is conflict and existential crisis. Like, you know, people.
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  Speaker 1: That is exactly. That was that was the picture that
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  Speaker 1: was laid in front of me. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's such a trap.
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  Speaker 1: I go to dad's house and he's like he started
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  Speaker 1: a business after the divorce and he's like hustling. He's
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  Speaker 1: working 12 to 14 hour days. He's. doing everything he
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  Speaker 1: can to make it work. He's not complaining. He's just like,
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  Speaker 1: this is what you got to do. If you want
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  Speaker 1: to make it, if you want to, you know, do
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  Speaker 1: your own thing and prove that, you know, you're good
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  Speaker 1: at what you do, you have to compete. You have
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  Speaker 1: to get out there. You have to work hard. Why
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  Speaker 1: complain about it? And then my mom's whole world was,
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  Speaker 1: she ended up being very bitter and resentful because it
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  Speaker 1: was like this view of, but I deserved this. That
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  Speaker 1: should have been me. I got robbed of it because
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  Speaker 1: whatever reason. And often it was like, If I was
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  Speaker 1: more attractive, you know, the men at work would have
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  Speaker 1: given me a raise if I looked like the other
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  Speaker 1: woman in the office or something, you know. So it
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  Speaker 1: was like this bitter, resentful. She was kind of like
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  Speaker 1: at war with the world. So seeing those two things,
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  Speaker 1: neither of my parents are perfect.
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  Speaker 2: Who is?
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  Speaker 1: Who has perfect parents? But it was kind of like
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  Speaker 1: I'd rather play over here where there's a purpose for
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  Speaker 1: me working hard and giving it my best shot and
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  Speaker 1: trying in life and figuring out what's important to me
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  Speaker 1: and then tailoring everything. you know, all my efforts toward that.
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  Speaker 1: And I just thought that, um, having a family was
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  Speaker 1: so cool. And I wanted to have the family I
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  Speaker 1: didn't have. So, uh, I, I had this dream of
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  Speaker 1: like getting married, having kids, having an intact family and
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  Speaker 1: making it like a place where kids can grow up
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  Speaker 1: without all the screaming and yelling and chaos that I
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  Speaker 1: had and that a lot of kids have nowadays. So, um,
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  Speaker 1: Didn't go to college. I had a full ride scholarship
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  Speaker 1: and I didn't go, which everybody thought was the end
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  Speaker 1: of the world. It was like, how could you do that?
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  Speaker 2: Your life is over.
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  Speaker 1: You'll never be anything. And I was kind of like,
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  Speaker 1: we'll see, you know.
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  Speaker 2: It is very weird that we're convinced that the only
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  Speaker 2: way to get educated is by an official institution with
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  Speaker 2: all the information that's available now. I mean, even back then,
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  Speaker 2: like that's the whole premise of goodwill hunting. Like you
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  Speaker 2: can get very smart from a public library. You really
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  Speaker 2: don't need It's just the books are available for everyone.
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  Speaker 2: The information's available for everyone if you chase it down.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like the only people that get any information
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  Speaker 2: are the ones who go to these colleges.
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  Speaker 1: It's one of the biggest lies that education, like we
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  Speaker 1: can just educate everyone. The problem is we're not educated enough.
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  Speaker 1: And if everyone had enough access to education, everyone would
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  Speaker 1: be intelligent. Everyone would be thriving. It's like the internet's
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  Speaker 1: kind of proved this.
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  Speaker 2: I had a teacher.
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  Speaker 1: It's not an information problem, right?
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  Speaker 2: I had a teacher in high school that said something.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if this is his quote or he
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  Speaker 2: was quoting someone else, but he said, education is something
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  Speaker 2: that allows you to get along without intelligence, and intelligence
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  Speaker 2: is something that allows you to get along without education.
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  Speaker 1: I like that.
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  Speaker 2: That's pretty good. Yeah, and I was like, oh, I
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  Speaker 2: get it. There's certain people that are just dumb at
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  Speaker 2: certain things. Like, I remember being around intelligent people that
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  Speaker 2: had no knowledge of how a car worked, of any
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  Speaker 2: of the workings of a car. You would tell, well,
• 10:40
  Speaker 2: this was back in, like, spark plug days. You could
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  Speaker 2: explain to them, like, oh, one of the cables for
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: your spark plug got loose. You're only firing on five cylinders.
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  Speaker 2: The six, the whole six is not. That's why it's
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  Speaker 2: like shaking like that. Who? Like if that if it
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  Speaker 2: was anything else, if you're talking about the economy, if
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  Speaker 2: you're talking about the political process, that guy would think
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  Speaker 2: the other guy was a moron. But now this guy
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  Speaker 2: thinks he's more. I remember like being like auto shop
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  Speaker 2: class going. There's a lot of different kinds of intelligence.
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  Speaker 2: We've just done this weird thing where we've categorized like.
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  Speaker 2: you have to go to specific schools. You have to
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  Speaker 2: go to the, you got to get a degree. Everybody
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  Speaker 2: wanted to go to Ivy league schools. I lived in Boston.
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  Speaker 2: It was like very important. Did you get a higher education?
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  Speaker 2: You go on to make everybody proud. And they were
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  Speaker 2: all fucking miserable.
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  Speaker 1: Well, my dad said this to me, he was the
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  Speaker 1: only person that when I graduated, I said, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think I want to go to college for this. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that's what I want to do. Like any
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  Speaker 1: of the things I'm looking at when I think about
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  Speaker 1: like having a career in, in that thing, um, I'm
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  Speaker 1: not very excited about it. I don't I don't get like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: hyped up to go do this. I was like, I
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  Speaker 1: really just kind of want to, you know, maybe someday.
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  Speaker 1: But I would love to have a bunch of kids
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  Speaker 1: and stuff. And my dad was like, you know, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the people in my office have degrees and,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they have careers and some of them are
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  Speaker 1: very miserable people. So if you don't want to do that,
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  Speaker 1: he's like, you could always decide to go later. So
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I kind of like bargained with everyone.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, I'm just going to give it a year.
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  Speaker 1: I do that too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And if I feel like I want to go to
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  Speaker 1: college after a year of no high school, then I'll go.
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  Speaker 1: I could still do it. But I ended up having
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  Speaker 1: a baby at 20, which again was the end of
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  Speaker 1: the world. Oh my God, Rachel, your life is over.
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  Speaker 1: You'll never be anything. You'll never do anything. It's over
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  Speaker 1: for you. It's such a tragedy. It was treated like
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  Speaker 1: this horrible thing. And I thought it was great. And
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  Speaker 1: when I had her, the job that I had did
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  Speaker 1: not matter to me anymore at all. It seemed so stupid.
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  Speaker 1: It was like, anybody can go. I was a hairstylist
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  Speaker 1: at the time. Anybody can go do haircuts. Someone else
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  Speaker 1: can cut Debbie's hair, but only I can be her mom.
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  Speaker 1: I want to do that. And everybody was telling me,
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  Speaker 1: you have to go back to work. You have to
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: go back to work. That's what we do now. Two
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  Speaker 1: weeks after the baby's born, you got to go back
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  Speaker 1: to work. You need the money. You need the security.
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  Speaker 1: You need the income. And I looked around and thought,
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  Speaker 1: this isn't is insane. Like who came up with this system?
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  Speaker 1: Because I am going to go drop her off at
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  Speaker 1: two weeks old and let some lady who doesn't know
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  Speaker 1: or care about or love my baby the way that
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: I do take care of her all day long. You know,
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: if you factor in the commute, it's like nine, nine
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  Speaker 1: and a half hours that I'm away from her. By
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  Speaker 1: the time I get home and feed her and give
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  Speaker 1: her a bath, it'll be bedtime and that'll be it.
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  Speaker 1: I'll get like maybe two hours with my baby all day,
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  Speaker 1: you know? And I get to pay half of what
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  Speaker 1: I make to this other random person to raise my child.
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  Speaker 1: Who came up with this? This is stupid. And I
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  Speaker 1: have to pay taxes. And I have to have a
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  Speaker 1: second vehicle and insurance and a work wardrobe. And I
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  Speaker 1: just thought, this is the most inefficient, stupid system. And
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  Speaker 1: everyone around me is like, this is good. This is
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  Speaker 1: what we all need to do. Even like Christian conservative
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: women that were friends and family members were like, Well,
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  Speaker 1: you don't want to depend on a man because then
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  Speaker 1: you're going to get abused. They fear mongered me to
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  Speaker 1: death about staying home with my kids. And at the time,
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  Speaker 1: this was my high school boyfriend who I had my
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  Speaker 1: first child with because I was kind of a libertarian
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  Speaker 1: at this stage. And both my parents at this point,
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  Speaker 1: my parents have multiple divorces between the two of them.
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  Speaker 1: And I always I know I always heard, oh, marriage
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  Speaker 1: is just a piece of paper. What really matters is
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  Speaker 1: that you love each other and that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 1: And I'd known this guy since we were kids. We'd
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: known each other forever. We'd been together for a long time.
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  Speaker 1: So I thought this was great. And my goal was,
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: let's get us to the point where I can stay
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  Speaker 1: home and be like a full-time mom. And he had
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: stuff going on. It did not work out.
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  Speaker 2: He took off.
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  Speaker 1: Devastating, horrible, terrible for me. No big fights, no cheating,
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  Speaker 1: nothing like that. You know, he's a private person, so
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to tell his business. But he had
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: his own personal things going on and left. And it
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  Speaker 1: was back to, you know, I had to work and
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: be a working mom. And I didn't like that. And
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  Speaker 1: I still thought that there was something wrong here, but
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  Speaker 1: I hadn't really like looked into where do we get
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: this idea that women must be working? Like my grandma
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: didn't work. Bless her soul, by the way. She is
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: going to be turning 100 April 1st, my grandma, who's
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: still with us. And she's probably my ace in the
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: hole and the reason I kind of turned out normal
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: despite my chaotic family upbringing is Because she was super grounded,
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: nice Christian lady, only in eighth grade education, but she
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: knew how to do everything. She'd go back and like
• 15:41
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• 15:44
  Speaker 1: in the garden, preserve all the food. And she had
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: more done by 8 a.m. than most human beings on earth.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: So I had like grandma as a pillar to really
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: help me through this stuff. So shout out grandma.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: Which is work. Yeah. It's housework. Yeah. Yeah. Which is
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: like really important. Like it has to get done.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: And most people think someone else should do that. Yeah.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: I need to be in an office.
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: This is for wages, like low, low paid wagey people
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: to do. I need to be doing something important. But
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: I always thought she was really important. She was super
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: important to me because when, you know, my parents were
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: off doing whatever they were doing, I'd always get dumped
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: at grandma's. So I spent a ton of time with
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: her growing up. And she was full of wisdom. And
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: like I said, she knew how to do everything. Like
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: her practical skills were crazy. She can cook anything. She
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: can clean anything. She can can and preserve food. She
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: grew up during the Great Depression. She was born in 1928.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. Yeah.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: And she had been through some stuff. Like she lost
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: her husband to cancer. She lost her daughter to kidney disease.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Like she had been through it. So she had a
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: lot of like good advice and wisdom. And she'd always say,
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: I wish I was smart like you. I wish I
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: was smart like you and I could go to school
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: and stuff like that. But I thought, grandma, you're the
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: only person that knows what the hell they're doing. You're
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: the only person in my world who seems to know
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: what they're doing. Yeah.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: The grass is always greener. When you're looking at a
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: woman that's entering into the workforce, who's really intelligent, you
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: start thinking, oh, she's going to have a career. Yeah.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: She's going to be a CEO someday and everyone's going
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: to respect her. And while that person's on pills and
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: suicidal and can't sleep and.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Well, we're going to get into that. We're going to
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: get into, I'm sure, like how it's turned out for women,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: pushing them into the workforce, telling them they can have
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: it all and how they're dealing with that. But I
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: didn't deal with it well. When I was at work,
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: I felt like I should be at home and I
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: was missing my kids and like I was really failing
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: on the home front. And when I was at home,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: I felt like I should be giving more to work
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: and I felt constantly torn. And that's something I hear
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: from pretty much every woman I talk to who has
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: kids and a job, that it's really tough that you
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: always feel like you're not able to give enough to
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: each thing. You just can't spread yourself that thin all
• 17:58
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• 18:00
  Speaker 1: we give women backwards advice. I think we tell them,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: spend all your fertile years, all your youth, building a career,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: going to school and building a career. Then by the
• 18:10
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• 18:14
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• 18:18
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• 18:21
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• 18:24
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• 18:27
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• 18:30
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• 18:33
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• 18:36
  Speaker 1: education is the number one correlate around the world, regardless
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: of economics, race, culture, status, anything to falling birth rates.
• 18:46
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• 18:50
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• 18:57
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  Speaker 2: Isn't there also a practical consideration for a lot of people?
• 20:16
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• 20:18
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• 20:21
  Speaker 2: And it's very difficult for a lot of people to
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: get by on one income. Yes, it is.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: But have you ever asked why that is? I have,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: but I'd love to hear you talk about it. So
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: prior to the 1970s, we had 5% of mothers with
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: school-age kids working outside the home. And for all of
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: human history, even during the Industrial Revolution, you know, 17, 18, 1900s,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: like you said, in the 40s and 50s, you could
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: be a janitor and support a family and have four
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: kids on one income. And something shifted in the 1970s,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: and it's never shifted back. So it can't be like
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: how the stock market's doing. It can't really be like
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: all these other independent economic factors that have shifted and
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: changed and been so different over the course of the
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: last 50 years. The one big thing that we changed
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: is we pushed women into college and into the workforce.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: And by the 1980s, they were on par with men
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: in workforce participation. So in the span of about 20 years,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: we almost doubled the labor force by pushing all the
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: women in. And men's wages have never recovered. So now
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: you are stuck in a two-income trap where even women
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: who want to stay home and even dads who would
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: love to have their wife home with their kids, it's
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: really tough.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: So why did women entering the workforce keep men's wages
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: stable or keep them from going up along with the inflation?
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: It really fundamentally changed the economy. I have a friend
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: named Aaron Clary who wrote a book about this. It's
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: an analysis of what he calls a female-based economy, where
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: it's more consumer-driven. Women are responsible for 80% of consumer spending.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: And now that they're all educated and in the job market,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: we have a lot more of things like HR departments, psychology, sociology,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: like the economy shifted away from being like manufacturing and
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: production and more male-dominated things to we have all these
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: women coming out of university. And what do they get
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: degrees in? I think 80% of psychology degrees are earned
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: by women. And then despite all our efforts to push
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: women into STEM, they're still like maybe 20% of STEM degrees.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: So we have all these very educated women. And we
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: have a lot of kind of fluffy jobs, like office jobs,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: HR jobs, social media managers. And mostly women do a
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: lot of the same things they used to do in
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: the home. So they're nurses, they're early childhood educators, they're
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: retail workers, they're cooks, they're housekeepers. They're doing a lot
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: of the stuff they used to do, which the Marxist
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: feminists called unpaid labor, right? This is the myth of
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: women's unpaid labor. So instead of cleaning your own house,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: educating your own children, cooking meals for your family, maybe
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: for your parents or grandparents who can't cook for themselves,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: all the things we used to do for our own family,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: clerical work, bookkeeping for your husband's business, things like that,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: we're doing those things for corporations. And this was kind
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: of by design. A lot of the book is about
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: the fact that there were people who pushed feminism and
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: it wasn't because women were oppressed and they cared about
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: the position of women necessarily, it's because the same people
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: who pushed the 19th Amendment and pushed progressivism and feminism
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: were the same people who drafted the Federal Reserve legislation,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: came up with the income tax, came up with the
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: compulsory education system. And especially on the Marxist side, they
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: pushed feminism because they said, if we can push mothers
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: and women into the workforce and we double the workforce,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: workers of the world unite. You know what I'm saying?
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: So it's like we have this huge workforce and through
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: the university systems, we can kind of propagandize the young
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: women to be socialists and to be Marxists because they
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: kind of tend that way anyway. The way that women's
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: brains work is very like communitarian for a reason. We're moms,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: you know? So it's very easy to radicalize. And this
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: isn't my opinion. Like I go over in the book
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: how You can just read the writings of these people.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: And they tell you. August Babel, Alexandra Kollontai, Margaret Fuller,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: like all these early 1800s writers were saying, we need
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: to get women away from the home and away from
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: being mothers and push them into the workplace because then
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: we can politicize them. We can motivate them into becoming revolutionaries.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: And that's how we'll get the numbers to make this work.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: So now... Instead of staying home with your kids and
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: doing all these things for your family, for your community,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: you're doing them for a corporation and you're paying income tax.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: You're paying all the other taxes associated with having to
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: work outside the home, gas tax because you're driving back
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: and forth to work, payroll taxes, all that kind of stuff.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: And you are away from your kids all day. Where
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: do they go? They go to public schools where the
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: public school system then can dictate to them what the
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: values should be, what the worldview should be instead of
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: the parents.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: It just makes you wonder. There's all these giant shifts
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: in culture, and it makes you wonder, what would we
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: look like if that had never taken place?
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: So you asked, why did I start writing about this?
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: That's why, because I had an aha moment where I
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: realized feminism is far and away, like it's not even close.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: It's the biggest social revolution in all of human history.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: And it happened in one century. We took the whole
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: social order that was in every culture around the world
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: for all of the rest of time that's recorded. And
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: we flipped it upside down and completely changed it in
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: one century. Everything about your life is different now because
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: of feminism in ways that you don't even think about.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: You know, the way that you Act in the workplace,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: the way that legislation works, the way that school systems work,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: like every single thing about life has changed as a
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: downstream result of feminism and pushing this model of women's equality,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: which it's really not. It's really not about equality. And
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: all you have to do is read all the first.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: Everybody thinks first wave was just, oh, they just wanted rights.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: They just wanted a few rights. That was good. You know,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: and the average person would say, yeah, I think that
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: that was good. But that's because they don't know the
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: real history. And the reason they don't know the real
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: history is because when they invented gender studies and women's studies,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: which were created by the Ford Foundation with some help
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: from the Rockefellers and the Carnegies in the late 60s,
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: they literally rewrote the history of how women's suffrage happened.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: So there's a professor named Joseph Miller who did. an
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: examination of 12, the main 12 textbooks that are most
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: commonly used in all the Western universities to teach women's history.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: And he's not even like a right winger. He's like
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: a liberal college professor. But when he looked and examined
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: those 12 textbooks and compared them to the actual writing's
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: newspaper articles, writings of feminists themselves, public debates held between
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: suffragists and anti-suffragists, all of the writings of anti-suffragist groups,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: which far outnumbered pro-suffragist groups, he found that they left
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: out huge chunks of what really happened or intentionally misrepresented
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: what actually happened on purpose to kind of sell feminism
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: as something different than what it really was.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: So what did they leave out?
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: So the most important thing they left out was that
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: women did not want women's liberation. What?
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Everybody assumes and believes that it was a grassroots thing
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: that women kind of looked around in the 19th century
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: and they went, you know, we're oppressed. We don't have
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: any rights. I wish I could work. I wish I
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: could get away from my bastard husband who drinks and
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: beats me. I need justice. I need rights. I need
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: a bank account.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: I need credit cards.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I want to go to university. And they marched and
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: they picketed until they had voting rights and equality in
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: the workplace. That's the story everyone's heard, and it's not
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: correct at all. In fact, it's the opposite. So this
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: is hilarious. So we had this big fight in the
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: late 1800s between pro-suffrage groups and anti-suffrage groups. Most women
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: in the United States and England, if they were a
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: member of either, they far outnumbered by joining the anti-suffrage groups.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: They were very much against it. It was only a
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: small minority of women who were pro-suffrage. And these groups
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: would debate publicly. They would write pamphlets. They would write tracts.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: We have a really good written historical record of what
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: actually happened. And women didn't want it. They thought, They
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: thought they had a lot of great things going on
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: already that were going to get ruined by suffrage. For example,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: here's some let's do a little myth busting. People have
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: this idea that prior to the 19th Amendment, women were
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: denied an education. Completely untrue. Some of the first universities
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: in the United States were exclusively female universities. and seminaries
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: and secondary schools more women actually probably had the opportunity
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: to go than men because men always had to work
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: in the fields and the mines go to war build
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: the infrastructure of the nation work on railroads you know
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: so women were seen as like well you're gonna be
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: teaching the kids So you should probably do a little
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: extra education, whereas Jimmy and Billy, they need to work
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: the farm with dad, you know. So there was never
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: any law that prohibited women from higher education. What happens,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: what feminists do, they rely on framing. So they'll say
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: because there weren't co-ed universities. because it was women's universities
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: and then men had separate ones. It was mostly segregated.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: They'll say women didn't have equal access to education.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Were the better schools men's schools?
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: No. In fact, I'd say... I guess you could say some.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: There were a handful of Ivy League institutions that didn't
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: let women into certain programs, but it was mostly like
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: medical stuff, things like that. And that had already changed
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: before the passage of the 19th Amendment. Women were already
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: being led into Ivy League education, being allowed to do
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: biology and become doctors. Many of the women in my
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: book who were first wave suffragists had degrees, had educations,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: The other one is like women weren't allowed to leave
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: the house. They weren't allowed to, you know, sex out
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: of wedlock or children out of wedlock.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: It was so terrible. But most of the women in
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: my book who were traveling the world promoting women's suffrage
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: had children out of wedlock, had extramarital affairs or multiple
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: sex partners or were even lesbians. Open lesbians touring the world,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: making money. Giving speeches, writing pamphlets and tracts, raising money
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: for the suffrage movement. Nobody put them in jail. Nobody
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: whipped them. Was there some stigma?
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: But I don't think that you can argue that stigma
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: against those sort of things equates to oppression of women
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: by the patriarchy. It's always framed that way, but that's
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: not true.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: So what year did they pass the 19th Amendment? And
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: the 19th Amendment is what gave women the right to vote, right?
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: So there were women that said, I don't want the
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: right to vote.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Yes. In fact, when they.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you just want the right to vote, even
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: keeping a traditional household like the right to have a
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: say if it's about the world? It's about the United States.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: It's about our laws and how we're going to govern.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: So I'll tell you what their reasoning was. They said,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: we're going to lose a lot of the protection and
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: provision that we currently enjoy. So, for example, in the
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: state of New York in the 1800s, as a woman
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: entering a marriage, if you had money, if you had
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: an inheritance that came with you when you got married,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: if your husband cheated on you or left or divorced you,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: he couldn't take any of that. Your inheritance was protected
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: from your husband leaving and taking it. And only men
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: could be held responsible for debt. And there was something
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: called breadwinner laws that the courts, it was like a
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: systemic law. It wasn't like one specific law. It was
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: like a whole legal framework that said, look, women have
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: to raise kids and be pregnant and have babies. So
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: we have to hold men responsible for financially taking care
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: of women and children. So women couldn't be thrown into
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: a debtor's prison. They couldn't be held legally liable for
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: repaying a loan or anything like that. They could own property.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: People don't believe that either. People believe women couldn't own anything.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: And the reason they say that is because once you
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: were married, you were considered one legal entity. But even then,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: a married man in the state of New York in
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: 1800 couldn't sell a property that was owned after he
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: was married without his wife's written consent. And the court
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: had to be assured that she was not being like
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: coerced into it. So there were already like the anti-suffragists
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: themselves argued, we kind of have everything we want. You know,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: we have like most of the benefits of this, you know,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: they didn't call it a patriarchy, but what we would
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: call a patriarchy. They said, we're the primary beneficiaries of
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: this system. We have a lot of protections. And if
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: you make us equal, we're going to lose those. Like,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: what if we get drafted? What if we have to
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: go do jury duty and hear like the gruesome details
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: of like murders and rapes and things like that? It's
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: going to pit the family against each other.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Just with the right to vote?
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Why? Just with the right to vote.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Because- So why couldn't you keep all those things and
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: just be able to participate?
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: Well, unfortunately, they were right. So one really good example
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: is the women's temperance movement. You guys remember prohibition? That
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: was primarily women who pushed for prohibition. It was the
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: women's temperance union. It was like a Christian movement to
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: ban alcohol. And women didn't have the right to vote,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: but they got prohibition passed, which was huge. Like it
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: was one of those things that nobody thought was even
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: going to happen. And it happened largely because of their
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: political motivation. And the reason that it worked is because
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: they could go to Congress or they could go to
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: the Senate and say, we're not a political voting bloc.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: We have a moral high ground from which to ask
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: for these things because you can't buy our vote. You can't,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: you know, like offer us things and kind of seduce
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: us into voting for you based on promising us things
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: that we want. And they didn't want to lose that
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: because they felt like they had a lot of influence.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: And the things they predicted would happen, the anti-suffragists said,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: you're going to see a lot of divorce. You're going
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: to see broken up families because it's going to pit
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: husband and wife against each other, just like it did
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: with my parents, where you've got, you know, mom wants
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: to vote for the Democrat. Dad wants to vote for
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: the Republican or vice versa. Now they're fighting about it.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: They want to split. They have separate worldviews. And political
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: interests will be used to drive a wedge between men
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: and women and break up families. And then we're all
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: going to be a bunch of single moms. We're all
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: going to have to work like they they literally predicted
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: this stuff. It's in one whole chapter of the book
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: is dedicated to their arguments.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: How did they have such amazing foresight? I mean, I
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: just would ignorantly I would think, OK, well, I think
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: women should have the right to vote. They're human beings.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: They live here. There's there's laws that are being why
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: would that?
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Well, I think. One of the problems we have when
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: we look back at history is the fallacy of presentism.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: We're looking at it through like our eyes now with
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: all of the presuppositions that we have about the world
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: kind of baked in. And at this time, so in 1920,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: people don't realize that men had only universally gotten the
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: right to vote very shortly before women got it. So
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: in the UK, most men couldn't vote until about 10
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: years before women got the vote. There was all kinds
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: of restrictions on voting in the United States for men.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: You may have to pay a poll tax. You might
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: have to take a test like a literacy test or
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: a political literacy test. There might be a religious requirement
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: of some kind. There might be a racial requirement of
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: some kind. There could be all different kinds of restrictions
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: on men voting. You might have to be a property owner.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: You might have to be a certain age. So there
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: was a lot of men. It wasn't like all men
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: could always vote and no women could ever vote. And
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: at the time of trying to pass suffrage, there were
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: already a few states in the West that had granted
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: women's suffrage like Utah and Wyoming. And Utah is a
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: fun case because it was mostly settled by Mormons at
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: the time. And they were mostly polygamists. And there was
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: this big fight between the feds and the state of
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Utah because the feds did not. They were like, this
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: polygamy thing is getting really popular out there and it's
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: going to cause us some problems. And they want to
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: give women the right to vote. And the Mormons thought
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: if we give women the right to vote, we can
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: keep polygamy because they're going to vote for it. because
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: it's beneficial to them in whatever ways that the LDS
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: church thought it was. The feds were betting on the
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: fact that, nah, I think if we give women the
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: right to vote, they're going to say no more of
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: this polygamy. So let them have it. Just let them
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: have it. Well, the feds lost the bet. And the
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Mormon wives kept voting for the polygamy stuff. The feds
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: didn't like it. So what they did, there was also
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: a little bit of stuff going on with the finances
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: of the LDS church that was a little sus. They
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: passed an amendment or, yeah, a law through Congress that
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: In 1878, I think. I could be wrong on the date.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: To take away women's suffrage. They took the vote back
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: from them. They said, no more voting for you. Can't
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: do that.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Because you're voting for polygamy.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And so women in Utah had suffrage granted and
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: then had it removed for 50 years. It was from,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: I think it was about 1870 to 1920 that they
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: didn't have the right to vote. And the anti-suffragists, this
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: was a big deal. So pro-suffrage women would go to
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Utah and anti-suffrage women would go to Utah and they'd
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: talk to the women and try to because everyone's trying
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: to get them on their side. And they kind of
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: found that like women really didn't want to be involved
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: in politics. They felt like we have so much going
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: on at home. They were the community organizers. We don't
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: have this anymore, by the way. I'm taking care of
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: my grandparents. I'm taking care of my uncle who, you know,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: has a disease and is infirmed. I've got seven kids
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: and so does my cousin and so does my sister
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: and we all raise them kind of together. We're very busy.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: We're doing all the church stuff. We're teaching the kids together.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Politics is just like you have to know so much
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: about it and you have to be so informed and
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: we just we don't have time and we really don't
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: have interest. Most of them were really indifferent. But more
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: were either indifferent or against it than were for it
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: by such a margin. So this is the test. They
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: let them vote on whether they wanted the vote in
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: a huge, the biggest referendum was in Massachusetts. So they
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: let women vote. vote on whether they wanted the vote
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: in a referendum. Of the women that showed up, not
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of them showed up. It was a fairly
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: smallish number, but of the thousands that showed up to vote,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: only 4% wanted suffrage on the ballot.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: Only 4%. So guess what Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Anthony did after that? All the pro-suffrage leaders, they banned
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: women from voting on whether they wanted to vote. Isn't
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: that crazy?
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: How did Susan B. Anthony get involved in all this?
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Because she was one of those people that was like,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: what was she on the $ 2 bill or something?
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: And she was one of those people that was always
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: held up as this amazing woman. And then I started
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: listening to your book and I was like, wait, what?
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. A lot of these women like her and Elizabeth
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: Cady Stanton were kind of the two big figureheads in America.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: There were a lot of other important people, but those
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: are the two most people have heard of. They're the
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: ones who wrote the history of women's suffrage, which is
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: this giant like multi-volume history that they wrote. Now, they
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: wrote it from a very biased perspective to make themselves
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: the rock stars of this movement. They wanted to be
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: remembered in the history books as being these awesome, badass,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: kind of revolutionary, strong, independent women. They, in fact, came
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: up with the strong independent woman narrative that women were
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: victims who needed to be unvictimized. They had other suffragists
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: that they were trying to cut out of the history
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: when they were putting together this history of women's suffrage.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Lucy Stone was one that said, wait a minute, you
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: guys are leaving out huge chunks of important information like
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: the fact that our main support comes from men, progressive
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: men and socialist men. and polygamist men. Like, why are
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: you guys leaving this out? If you do it, like,
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: everyone's going to know you just didn't mention any of that.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Because at the time, it was like super well known.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: They had a lot of PR problems in the suffrage
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: movement because it was known as something that prostitutes, socialists, Marxists, polygamists,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: and revolutionaries were into. And she was like, you can't
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: leave that out. It's like a main point. Maybe you
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: don't like how it portrays us, but you got to
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: include it. So they like reluctantly did include some of that,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: but they were going to try to leave it out
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: altogether and frame it as we know it now as
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: a fight of women against men. This fight of oppressed
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: women against the oppressive patriarchy that was systemically trying to
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: keep a boot on women's necks. And even their own
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: colleagues were like, that ain't how it happened.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: It's crazy that progressive men were a problem even back then.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: This is The simp problem is.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Bitch ass men have always been a problem. They're a
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: giant problem. And that's one thing that feminism does. It
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: gives them a way to be like, I always call
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: them like vampire familiars.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Like they never really get to be a vampire, but
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: they do all the deeds for the vampires and the
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: vampire loves them. And they hang around the vampire and they,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: It's the sneaky fucker mating strategy.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes. What is that? Cuttlefish? Cuttlefish.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Cuttlefish do that. Like sneaky bitch ass cuttlefish pretend
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: they're female so they can hang around the females.
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: And that's exactly what was happening. There were other motivations
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: to like Victoria Woodhull was a famous feminist. She was
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: the first one to have like a big newspaper. She
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: was known as Mrs. Satan. Because she was into free love.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: She wanted to make prostitution legal. She said that marriage
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: was just a legal form of prostitution. She saw it
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: to be no different than regular old run-of-the-mill prostitution. She
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: was like really radical. She was also a scam artist.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Like the thing I found when I was looking into
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: the histories of all these women, they were into the
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: occult or very anti-Christian because they saw it as patriarchal
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: and oppressive. They were usually con artists or scammers. So
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: spiritualism and snake oil salesman was like really big and
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: popular at the time. This lady sold fake cancer cures.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: She was wanted in like four different states for selling
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: fake cancer cures to dying people and scamming them out
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: of their money. And by pushing suffrage, she got a
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: lot of people to fund her and give her money.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: And one of them was Cornelius Vanderbilt. And she would
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: pretend to be able to contact the dead. She would
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: say she could contact like ancient Greeks and all these spirits,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: like the spirit of Abraham Lincoln was coming to her
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: in dreams and stuff. I don't think Cornelius believed that
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: at all. But what he did know about her was
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: that she did run a prostitution ring. And all her
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: friends were hookers who worked the Wall Street Gentleman. And
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: so she basically had a spy network of prostitutes who
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: would give her insider trading information. He used that to
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: game the stock market on the first Black Friday, I
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: think it was like 1889, for today's equivalent of $ 26 million,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: according to the New York Times. And when the New
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: York Times interviewed him and said, how did you come
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: out $ 26 million? At the time it was $ 1. 3 million,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: but today's money, $ 26 million. How did you pull this
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: off when everybody else has just lost their ass? And
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: he said, do as I do, consult the spirits. So
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: he said that this woman had contacted the dead and
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: given him the tip that way. But it was really
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: just she had a prostitution ring. So these were the
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: people involved, OK? And this is what they were really doing.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: But when gender studies departments got a hold of this history,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: they're not going to tell you any of this. Their
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: job was to become the PR branch in the universities
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: to sell Marxism and feminism to to young women to
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: revolutionize and radicalize. And they had helped doing that from
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: the CIA. Yeah. At the same time, because we were
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: in the midst of a Cold War. And I'm not
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: saying communism is good. I'm definitely not. But according to
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: the CIA at the time, they were trying to push
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Western liberalism as being superior to communism in Russia and
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: the Eastern Bloc. So they thought feminism was good for
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: that purpose. So they helped fund the beginning of Ms.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Magazine and They granted scholarships. They made up like fake scholarships,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: one of which was given to Gloria Steinem, you know,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: and then they had her employed for years going around
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: the world pushing feminism. So it was it was never
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: that the average woman was like, I want to vote.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: I want to listen to political debates. I want to
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: learn about economics and foreign policy. I'm really concerned about
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: these things and I want to know and I want
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: to vote. Women were concerned about things like having kids.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: clean drinking water, clean milk, safe parks, less crime, all
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: those sort of things. And one of the other things
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: they predicted would happen, they said, if you give women
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: the vote and you politicize us like this, it's not
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: going to be about the welfare of our children and
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: communities anymore. It's going to be about things like abortion
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: and birth control. And what are the only women's issues
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: that you ever hear about anymore in politics? The right
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: to abortion, And things like access to birth control, access
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: to abortion. It's like the only thing you hear now.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: Where are all the women, even on the right, like
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: fighting for the things they were fighting for 150 years ago?
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Nowhere.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: It's all about, you know, like even Trump. Trump frustrates
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: me on this because he wants he's like, we got
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: to have more programs to get all the moms back
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: to work. And I'm like, why? Why do you want
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: to do that?
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Why do you want to.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: Push all the moms back to work? That's a terrible idea.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Why do you think he's saying that?
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: He's a liberal and he's a feminist. He loves hiring women.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: It's probably his biggest Achilles heel if he would stop
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: hiring women and get rid of a lot of his problems.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: But he loves hiring women and he's very pro-working woman.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: He like his first wife. One of the things he
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: loved about her was she was very like successful in
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: business and things like that. Ivanka, same thing. And yes,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: they have kids, but they have nannies and they have
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: all the money in the world to like support them
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: while they're off doing this sort of thing. But what
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: happens to the average woman, the promise of feminism looks
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: something like you're going to have the corner office. It
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: looks like sex in the city. You're going to have
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: the corner office and you're going to be in Paris
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: over brunch having champagne and, you know, signing the ink
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: on the next deal. And you're going to be doing
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: all this exciting boss babe stuff. And then you can
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: also have a kid. And, you know, the nanny will
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: take care of the kid while you're doing all this
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: important stuff at work. And it's just going to be amazing.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: The average woman, like me, ends up working a basic,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: like I'm a retail manager. I'm a waitress. You know,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: I'm a school teacher. I work a 12-hour nursing shift
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: four nights a week. And I have to come home
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: and take care of my kids and my family. And
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: I feel like I can't do it all. It's too much.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: So a lot of women just aren't even having kids anymore.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you've looked at birth rates. Yeah.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: It's kind of weird. It's weird that no one's talking
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: about it. And there was always this narrative about overpopulation. Yes.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: And it's only been over the last decade or so
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: that people start talking about population collapse. And the catastrophic
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: impacts of that, particularly on some foreign countries like South Korea, Japan,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: they do not have a replacement rate. Right.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: There won't be a South Korea replacement. in the near
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: future if something radical doesn't happen over there. But this is,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: there's a whole another chapter in the book dedicated to
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: this whole thing and where this came from, the Malthusian
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: population agenda. Margaret Sanger gave me nightmares writing the chapter
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: about her. I literally had nightmares about her because she
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: was so evil. It's hard to, everybody's heard what she
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: said about black people by now. Most people have heard that.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: What did she say?
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, that there, the lowest of the low and we
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: just need to get rid of them. That it would
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: be best for humanity if we could just convince all
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: of the lower races to just stop breeding. So they
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: planned parenthood on purpose, focused on African-American and indigenous communities
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: and poor whites too. But She was part of the
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: Rockefeller Bureau for Social Hygiene. It was a eugenics program.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: And Planned Parenthood was a eugenics program. And she was
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: so antinatalist. You can find clips of her on the
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: internet now where they would interview her on the radio
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: and she'd say, if it were up to me, nobody
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: would ever have babies anymore. We just would stop having
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: them because life is terrible and life is hard and
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: it's suffering. And bringing children in the world is a
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: terrible thing, especially, she said, the most There's a famous
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: quote of hers. The most kind thing a large family
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: can do to one of its young members is to
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: kill it. And her whole her whole shtick was sold
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: on lies. She told lies about her mother. She said
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: that her mother died from overbreeding, that she had so
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: many children. It just it just destroyed her body and
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: she died. Not true. Her mom had tuberculosis and died
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: from tuberculosis like half of everyone back then. So she
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: lied about that. She told a fake story about a
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: woman named Sadie Sachs who didn't know how she kept
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: getting pregnant. And the doctor refused to tell her because
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: the bad male doctors just wanted the women to just
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: keep having babies. So they refused to tell them how
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: that worked, which I went and asked my grandma. I'm like, grandma,
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: you were around like in this exact time period. Did
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: you and your mom like not know how babies remain?
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: She was like, what are you talking about? Of course
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: we knew that. In fact, she said after my sister
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: was born, her younger sister was the fourth kid in
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: the family. The doctor told my parents, like, you guys
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: need to be careful. Like, time things and, like, try it.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: Because it's, you know, she had some health problems. And
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: he's like, another baby might be risky. So if you
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: want to avoid that, here's how you avoid that. She's like,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: of course we knew.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: People have known that since the beginning of time.
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Of course they have. But she wrote a whole book
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: that purported to have thousands of letters from women around
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: the world writing to Margaret Sanger saying, I'm only 23
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: and I'm on my 14th baby. I'm not kidding. The
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: numbers were insane. She was alleging that there were 23-year-olds
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: who were on like their 11th pregnancy and dying from
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: overbirth and that they just didn't know how to stop it.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: And so she was like, this is why we need
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: abortion clinics is for this reason. Now, I looked into
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: this because there's something called the Margaret Sanger Papers Project.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: They have everything she's ever done. If she wiped her
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: mouth on a napkin, they've got that in the archives.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: They have everything. Do you think out of the thousands
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: of letters she said that she got from women saying,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: I just can't stop having all these babies and it's
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: killing me and I'm miserable. How many do you think
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: are preserved in the Margaret Sanger Papers Project?
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: How many? Zero?
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: Three.
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: Three?
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Three out of thousands. And I emailed them directly and
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: I asked, seems weird. You guys have like literally letters
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: that she wrote to her friends. You have like all
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: this documentation on everything she ever did. Certainly if she
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: was getting thousands of letters, you've got more than three.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: And they said, well, we think it was mostly lost
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: to time or she sent them to abortion doctors to
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: encourage them to keep going because, you know, people didn't
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: like abortion doctors. So we think she sent it to
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: a lot of abortion doctors to like, you know, give
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: them a pep talk. And yeah, we just don't really know.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: It's just lost to time.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: So you think she made a lot.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: Of it up?
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: Oh, yes, yes.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Especially because if you read the book, nobody reads this crap,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: you know, except me. I'm crazy. Nobody else wants to
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: read all of their horrible writing. But in the book,
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: if you're reading these letters, they sound literally like they're
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: all written by the same person. So it's extremely dubious
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: at best. I would love if, hey, if the Margaret
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Sanger Papers Project folks want to come and tell me
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: where all these are or if there's any proof of this,
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: I would love to see it because I looked for
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: two and a half years and couldn't find anything. In fact,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: the most popular Sanger biographer in the world who knows
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: everything about her admits that she lied about tons of stuff.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: She's like, oh, she lied about the Sadie Sacks story.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: She lied about why her mother really died. And she
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: probably lied about those other stories and letters too. But
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: she believed it was for a noble cause. She thought
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: what she was doing was good. And the other big
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: secret is she was getting a lot of money. She
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: was getting paid by the Rockefeller Foundation and promoted by
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: people like H.G. Wells, who she was also having an
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: affair with. They're all a bunch of creepers, Joe, I'm
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: telling you. It sounded like it.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: She sounded like an insane person in the book.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. She was married and had three kids. She left
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: her kids in like hippie, bohemian communities. One of them
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: died from neglect in one of these communities. Didn't care
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: about her kids at all. In fact, one of her
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: sons grew up and said, my sister would not be
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: dead if my mother gave any shits about us whatsoever.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: But she didn't. She was anywhere except where we were.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: Any excuse to leave. She let her ex-husband take the
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: rap for her distributing illegal stuff about abortion and birth control.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: That The Comstock laws didn't allow that back then. So
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: she was wanted in court and was going to be
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: put in jail for distributing that stuff. She let her
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: husband take the fall for it while she went to
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: England and had affairs with people like H.G. Wells and
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Havelock Ellis. And they were all bisexual and they were
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: all occultists and doing all this crazy stuff. But people, H.G.
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: Wells called her the most incredible woman ever to live
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: and said that she was going to have more impact
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: on the future of humanity than any other person.
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• 56:26
  Speaker 2: Why do you think he thought that?
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: Because he was a eugenicist who loved the idea of
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: millions of abortions a year. H.G.
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: Wells, the War of the Worlds guy, was a eugenicist.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: You should have Jay Dyer on to tell you about H.G. Wells.
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: I brought you his book.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: I don't want to know. I love the War of
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: the Worlds.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: He wrote some great fiction, but he was a diehard Malthusian.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: These people really believed. It was actually a very popular
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: thing that we're talking like right after Darwinism. We're talking
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: about just before the Nazis. We're talking about the Kaiser
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: Wilhelm Foundation. It was a very popular position to be
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: in favor of social hygiene, as they called it, which
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: was You know, anybody with birth defects shouldn't be able
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: to reproduce. Anybody of the lower races or inferior mentally,
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: any of those kind of people shouldn't reproduce because we want,
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: you know, a cleaner, better human race going forward. Yeah.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: So feminism was instrumental in that. That's actually where the
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: birth control pill came from as well. Margaret Sanger, the
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: Rockefeller Foundation, the Kaiser Wilhelm Foundation, and a lot of
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: Nazi scientists are the ones who started synthesizing human hormones.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: to make birth control pills. And the way they sold
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: that was they said, look, we know abortion is very unpopular.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: People don't like it. It's a very terrible thing that
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: we have to do. We have to do it because
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: we don't want all these babies. But, you know, if
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: you let us have the birth control pill and you
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: make it like widely available and socially acceptable, abortion will
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: be a thing of the past. Nobody will need one
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: ever again. That's how it was marketed and sold to
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: the maybe it's better. Maybe it's better just to prevent
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: all the pregnancies and then we don't have to worry
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: about abortions. But here we are in 2026. You can
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: get birth control pills for $ 4 at Walmart. You can
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: go down to your local health department in your county
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: and get them for free if you're under a certain
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: income status. And we still have, well, at least before
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: they overturned Roe v. Wade, we still had about a
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: million abortions a year in this country, even with The
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: shot and the pill and all these types of birth
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: control and more education than we've ever had. That was
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: the other thing when I was in school, right? More
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: sex ed, more sex ed, and then no more teen pregnancies.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: That hasn't panned out whatsoever. It turns out that if
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: you take all the stigma away from sexual activity, you
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: tell everybody premarital sex is actually good. You've got to
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: get in there and figure out how things work before
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: you get married. You don't want to just get married.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: That's weird. We still have a million abortions a year.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: We still have Plan B pills and things like this.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: There's been more babies aborted in the last century than ever.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: all the men that have been killed in all the
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: wars of the 20th century. Like, far and away.
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: Oof.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: So.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: The.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: The Gloria Steinem CIA thing is nuts.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: That's nuts.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: Because... The real tinfoil hat people want to think that
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: the CIA has been involved in every single social aspect,
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: including like the rock and roll movement of the 1960s.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: And there seems to be some evidence.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: And when you see like how far the tentacles actually
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: go and then you see it like in feminism, you go, wait,
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: what was she was what?
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: So explain.
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: So Gloria Steinem was recruited out of Smith College. in
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: the 50s. It was an all-women's college. She already had
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: some pretty like left progressive kind of feminist leanings. And
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: this is generally how this works. If you want to
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: know how the left has taken over academia, I have
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: a whole paper about this on my sub stack, how
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: NGOs and universities have just swung completely left and they
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: have just captured the university systems. They do it this way.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: So they recruit her out of Smith College. You know,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: she's writing papers about women's rights and feminism and stuff
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: like that. And they go, she's pretty good at this.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: So they approach her and they say, we're willing to
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: offer you something called the Chester Bowles Fellowship. And she goes,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: what's that? And they're like, well, it doesn't really exist.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: We made it up for you. Because what we're going
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: to do is we're going to give you this fellowship.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: We're going to send you to India. We're going to
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: send you to Europe. We're going to have you tour
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: the whole United States, do a media tour, start a magazine.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: To promote women's rights, the things that you believe in.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: So it's it's a little more sneaky than everybody sitting
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: in a dark back room and like plotting some evil
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: plan to like make America into a feminist hellhole. It
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: was more like we're trying to promote liberal democracy around
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: the world because it's part of the Cold War. You're
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: really good at this feminism stuff. And if we can
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: get a lot of women voting and if we can
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: get them into universities and mobilize them as a political force. group,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: just similar to what they did with black people. Convince
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: blacks that you're all oppressed, you're all victims, and radicalize
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: them and make them permanent Democrat voters. Same thing that
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: they did with feminism. So they sent her to India
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: where she worked for the Ford Foundation. Again, the same
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: people who created gender studies. Learned a lot of interesting
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: things over there in India. Not sure what's going on
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: in there. I said in my book, it's like a
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: hotbed of like theosophy and like crazy, like the Dalai Lama.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: And there's a lot of weird stuff going on in India.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know why they send everybody there. And then
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: when they leave India, they go and promote this weird stuff.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: It's what they do. So they sent her to like
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: Eastern Europe to a youth festival where she promoted feminism.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: And this is at the time where the Eastern Bloc
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: is still communist and it's hard to get in there.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: But as a woman, this is something traditionally they always
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: do with women. It's very easy to sneak female spies
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: or propagandists in Rather than men because they're less suspicious.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, she just wants to promote education for women.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: And they're like, fine. She can come, I guess, whatever.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: So she's promoting feminism there. Then she comes here. She's
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: undercover at the Playboy Mansion, weirdly.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: Undercover?
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. People didn't know she was CIA at this point.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: She was like a Playboy bunny for a little while.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: What? Yeah.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: She was at the Hugh Hefner Mansion.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: Undercover as a Playboy bunny?
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: That's hilarious.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. She was kind of hot back in the day
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: in the 70s, late 60s. She was kind of hot. Well,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: compared to the other feminists we had to choose from.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: Who else did we have? Betty Friedan.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever seen her. Is there
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: any photos of Gloria Steinem at the mansion?
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. There's a picture of her in the bunny costume.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, we've got to see that.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: Maybe Jamie can pull it up. And that was to
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: promote the sexual liberation stuff, right?
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: For the CIA.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: Undercover Playboy Bunny. It's an HBO original. Wow, there's a
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: documentary on it. I wonder how they frame it. Exploiting
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: women and low wages. Let me see the photos of
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: her down there. Below, where it says images, click on
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: one of those where it's her. Yeah, she's pretty.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, good enough.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: That's not her. That's not her?
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: That's Christy Alley.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: Is that Christy Alley playing her? Must be. Oh, yeah.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: She played her. For what year was that? 1985. Wow.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: Because she did come out in her memoirs and talk
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: And she also talked about.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: But did she talk about that she was working for
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: the CIA?
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: Yes. So she started Ms. Magazine with CIA funding. She
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: was working with Clay Felker and a couple of other.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: Is that her?
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: No, that's not her either. She was okay. I mean,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: it was nothing thrilling. But it was good enough to
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: get her in there. And like I said... Her and
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: Betty Friedan had like this rivalry, this vicious rivalry in
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: the press because Friedan was a Marxist. There's always been
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: this battle between like the liberal capitalist type of feminists
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: and the Marxist type of feminists. And Betty Friedan was
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: not attractive. She was very frumpy. She was older. And
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: the press loved Steinem because she was like stylish and cool.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: She had like highlights in her hair and she was
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: kind of a hippie. So she got all the press
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: and she started Ms. Magazine, which there's a whole bunch
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: on that in my book as well. But yeah, it
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: was like it was part of the Cold War. It
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: was part of pushing like the liberal democracy stuff to
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: contrast it against like the communist Eastern Bloc at the time.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: And it was very useful. There's extensive writing from so
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: many people in this movement about how, hey, if you
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: can get women, young women into universities, They're very easy
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: to propagandize. They're very easy to program with whatever worldview
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: you want to give them. And if you want to
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: make them into revolutionaries, they make excellent revolutionaries. This is
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: why right now you see women in Minnesota and Portland
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: and L.A. going up to ICE agents and getting in
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: their face and calling them names. And you got a
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: small dick, little man. You think you're tough shit. If
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: you're wondering why, why is it women? Why are women
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: trying to, like, fight ICE agents in the streets? It's
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: because we send them all to college. They get indoctrinated
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: with this Marxist feminist worldview that masculinity is toxic and bad,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: that men are inherently violent and oppressive, and women are inherently, like,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: Mother Nature Earth types who bring goodness and fairness into
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: the world, make sure everyone has enough to eat. This
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: is the, like, false dialectic that everyone gets taught. So
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: they see... What these women see when they see ICE arresting,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: even if it's a sex criminal who has warrants, they
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: don't care. They see him as a sweet, innocent victim
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: of the evil white patriarchy, that these are fascist Nazis
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: coming to arrest the beautiful baby immigrants who are helpless
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: and need protection from mommy. So they weaponize that.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: Did you see there's a video of this guy going
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: up to people to try to get people that ICE
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: has deported brought back into the country? Have you seen
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: this video? No. Let me send it to you, Jamie,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: because it's quite funny because he's explaining how one of them,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: the one who wants to get back in the country,
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: has committed five murders, but he thinks he needs a
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: second chance, and they're 100% agreeing with him. It's one
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: of the funniest things. It's like you see how fucking
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: kooky people are with this stuff, that it's not like, oh, wow,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: he's a bad person. It's like, No. In their little
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: tiny blinder-sided ideological bubble, anybody that gets deported should be
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: brought in. ICE is bad. Immigrants are good.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: And without any regard whatsoever to the consequences of bringing
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: over murderers and rapists and drug dealers and gang members.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: Put your headphones on real quick because this is kooky.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: Bring back illegal immigrants who were deported by ICE. We're
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: with the Bring Them Back campaign. Could we get your
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: signature for our petition? We just need your name and
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: email address. Specifically, we're trying to bring back Edwin Hernandez
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 3: from El Salvador.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: We do have to disclose to you, though, that he
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: is an admitted member of MS-13, and he did kill
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: five people back in El Salvador, but we think he
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 3: deserves a second chance, and we want to get him back.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: That's him right there. What do you guys think about
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: what's going on with ICE in this country?
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's appalling, I guess.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: It's maybe not even a strong enough word.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: Appalling?
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. We're from Maine. There's been a lot of ICE
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: activity in Maine.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: Up in Portland, right? Yeah, up in Portland.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: That's where we live. So I'm a teacher and....
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: There were lots of students that were afraid to come
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: to school. Thank you so much.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: Hopefully we can get Edwin Hernandez back so he doesn't
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: have to be criminally convicted in El Salvador, right? Thank
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: you so much. Thank you.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Good work. Good work. Good work. Bring that murderer back. Eloise,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: MS-13 gang member who's killed five people? Yeah, bring him back.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: She's the perfect example. She's a school teacher. What school
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: teacher do you know who's not liberal? Very few.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: Very few.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: And Most of K-12 is female teachers. By the time
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: you get to high school, there's a few more, but
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: I think it's like 80, 90 percent of school teachers
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: are women. So they go to university, they go for education,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: and they almost inevitably end up getting some kind of
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: women's studies course thrown in there. And so they're taught
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: this worldview that white men are evil and oppressive to women,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: to minorities, to poor people. So they see Ed Edwin Hernandez,
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: whatever his name is. Well, sure, he murdered five people,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: but he wouldn't have done that if he wasn't poor
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: and oppressed by the evil white patriarchy. It's not fair.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: And so she wants to protect him. And she said,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: there's kids who are afraid to come to school. You know,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: the kids are afraid. It's just like the Democrats last
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: night with their little reply to Trump's State of the Union,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: where they said the same thing. If you've been trying
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: to protect your neighbors from the Gestapo who's coming to
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: arrest them, we understand how stressful that is. They just
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: create this completely false narrative. That's not how the world
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: really works. Ask the average white man out there who
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: he's oppressing, because most of them are just working hard
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: as Amazon delivery drivers or plumbers or sewage workers or
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: something like that. The average white man has never had
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: like this incredible amount of power. It's all framing. The
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: minute you take away and destroy the framing that everyone accepts,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: this all falls apart, which is why I wrote the book.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: Because I'm like, if women knew specifically, women like me,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: this is supposed to be for us. This whole movement
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: was supposed to be for me and my daughters to
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: liberate us. And I was like, okay, from what? From
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: the people who have the best interest in protecting me,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: my father, my husband, my brother, the men around me.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: In order to believe the feminist narrative that men have
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: systemically just always wanted to keep women down and oppress them,
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: you'd have to believe that they didn't care about their mothers,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: their daughters, their sisters, their grandmothers, their neighbor lady. Just
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: all the men wanted to just systemically oppress the women
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: so that they could have free maids and, you know,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: sex bot women at home. There was a ton of
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: propaganda in the 70s as well about this. Remember the
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: Stepford Wives movie where it was revealed in the movie
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: plot that, like, all the evil men in this nice
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: suburban neighborhood full of white people, they all had sex
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: bot wives. They didn't want their real wives. They wanted
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: a mindless sex bot that cleaned the house and baked casseroles.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: And this was supposed to imply that this is why
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: men are oppressing you. They don't want you to have
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: a brain. They don't want you to have input. They
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: don't want to hear your thoughts on things or have
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: you be a real person. They just want you to
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: serve them.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: That's not how life is. Life's a lot more complicated
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: than that. But when you fill the university systems with
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: this and then you fill the workplace with it, we've
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: got HR, we've got Me Too, we've got all these–
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: systems in place now that actually promote feminism it's far
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: and away the dominant social aspect of the culture look
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: at every female celebrity every single one of them think
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: of the top ones like kylie jenner taylor swift beyonce
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: katie perry any of the really uh popular female pop
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: culture they're all girl boss sexual liberation shitting on your
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: ex-boyfriend men ain't shit I'm going to dominate him with
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: my sexy physique and my sexual prowess. And it turns
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: out that a lot of the ancient goddess worship, which
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: was really popular with feminists in the 70s, there was
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: a huge revival of that. A lot of the goddess
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: archetypes that they brought back had those same themes. Like
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: the goddess Kali, who's a Hindu goddess with eight arms
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: and blue skin and a tongue hanging out of her
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: mouth and all of her depictions in Hinduism. The feminists
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: chose that and put it on the cover of the
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: first issue of Ms. Magazine in 1973. That seems like
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: a weird choice if you're trying to get suburban moms
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: in 1973 to buy your magazine, to put this blue-skinned,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: terrifying Hindu goddess on the cover. So why did they
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: do that? Well, because they had her holding an iron
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: and a baby and like all these domestic things, right?
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: And the goddess Kali symbolizes, at least to feminists, vengeance
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: against men. taking back power from men and having your
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: revenge on them because that goddess only accepts male sacrifice,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: male human sacrifice, especially on the battlefield. She like drinks
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: the blood of deceased male warriors. Yeah. And she's intentionally
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: terrifying and she's supposed to like symbolize this. Let me
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: see what she looks like, Jamie. Yeah. If you pull
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: up that.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: Just put up the actual goddess Kali. There it is.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: Women tell the truth about their abortions. Wow. On raising
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: kids without sex roles. What year was this?
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: 1973, I think.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: Wow. Yep. On the housewife's moment of truth. This was
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: the huge propaganda campaign to convince women that staying home
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: and raising your own kids is actually horrific oppression and
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: it's abuse and you're enslaved. You want to be at
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: work working for your boss. You want to be paying
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: those taxes. You want to Don't submit to your husband.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: Submit to your boss, though.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: That's fine.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: Or become the boss. Yeah.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: Or become the boss, which, again, we've had 50 years
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: of trying to push women to be the boss.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: And guess what?
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: They really don't want to. And this is what I
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: always say.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: Some of them do, though.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: Some of them do. That's true.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: They're not a lot of fun.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: They're not. I would say there's always been like 5%
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: of women who are genuine outliers, who are really not
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: cut out for motherhood, who can go out there and
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: crush it, who are going to do something else. Historically,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: usually it was like, maybe you would become a monastic,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: like a nun or something. Maybe you would run a
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: boarding school or a tavern. Like women have owned businesses
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: and done other things in almost every culture.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: But you should be free to do that. The issue
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: is like, Are we indoctrinating people into a very specific
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: ideology in schools and universities? And is that why they're
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: going to something that really maybe they're not that outlier
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: and they wouldn't really be interested in it? You know,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: I was talking the other day about this video that
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: I saw on Instagram a while back where there was
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: this woman. She was talking about how when she was
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: in college. She was dating this guy who was a
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: Christian and he wanted a traditional family. And he's like,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: I'll take care of you and I'll raise our kids.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: And she goes, I didn't want that. I wanted to
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: go out there in the world. So I got my
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: education and I got the job and I'm doing the
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: thing that I want to do. And I don't want it.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: She goes, I don't. And she was crying. She's like,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: I don't want it. She goes like, this is not
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: what I want. I'm not happy. And I fucked up.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: And it's just crazy. It's terrible.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: You're like.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: How many people silently feel like that?
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: Well, the truth is that since this book came out
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: a few years ago, I've paid a pretty high personal
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: cost for putting this information out there. And in the
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: first chapter, I say, look, I'm just going to present
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: to you the actual facts about the history and what
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: really happened, because I think it's for you women to decide.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: This is supposed to be for you. I want you
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: guys to look at what really happened. And the results
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: of that and the whole last chapter is like a
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: ton of statistics about where are we now after 50
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: years of this being the super dominant thing. It's not great.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: It's not great. But I was like, I want women
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: to have the ability to look at it truthfully for
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: themselves and decide what they think. And I have been slandered.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: I have been the things that have been said about me,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: the lies and the gossip that have been spread like online,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: calling me everything under the sun, just Wild, crazy rumors
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: about my personal life that are not true. But that's
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: going to happen to anybody that's in the public.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: That says anything controversial.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of seen as somebody betraying the sisterhood, right?
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: Because we're so programmed that it's like the knee-jerk reaction
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: from women oftentimes. But I get hundreds now, emails, DMs,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: letters in the mail even to our P.O. box from women.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: Like one was a lady who was like, I'm 60
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: years old. I'm sitting here reading your book and it's
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: covered with tears because I fell for this shit. Now
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: I'm 60 years old. I have no husband. I have
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: no kids. I have a shitty job that I hate.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: I'm going to die alone and I can't go back
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: and change any of it. What do I do?
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: Do you know who's upset about it too? The lady
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: who created sex in the city.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: Did you see that?
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: She's a gem. Yes. There's like a little, a video
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: about that. Isn't there where, um, She said that she
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: regrets having ever made that. Yeah.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy? Because how many women saw that and like,
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be that boss girl.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be that. What was the one lady
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: that fucked everybody? The hot blonde lady?
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: Samantha?
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: Aren't you a giant fan of Sex and the City?
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: No, but that's the character's name.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: Character or actor? Both.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: Samantha's the character. Yeah.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: That lady, she was in all the... Like 80s hot.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: Super hot. Yeah.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: And it was like, I want to be like her.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: I'm going to be a Samantha. Yeah, I know.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, it was pushed on me really hard.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: And I was told, I was told you're like a loser.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: I'll never forget this. It was like maybe 12 years ago.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: Somebody from the RNC that I was arguing with online
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: about this, she told me, you should be ashamed of yourself.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: You are not a proper conservative woman and you are
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: not contributing to the movement by staying home with your kids.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: And I said, really?
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: How's that? She goes, What about the GDP?
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: I was like, the GDP?
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: She's like, if you were a real Republican, you'd be
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: out there working and contributing to the GDP. And I
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: was like, you're right.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: Raising funds.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: Children and trying to make them the best human beings
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: I can help them be. Who wants to do that?
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: I should get out there and work for a corporation.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: The GDP was her argument? That's crazy.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: I debate feminists all the time online. I'm pretty undefeated
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: if anybody wants a piece.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing about liberals online. I was just
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: talking to Andrew about this. She said that was incorrect,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: the take on her. The opposite is true. I've never
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: regretted not having children. I feel compelled to have a
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: career since I was a child. But who's judging? Not me.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: Read all about it in my new book. But I thought,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: so why does it say here, Sex and the City
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: writer Candace Bushnell, 60, admits she regrets choosing a career
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: over having children as she is now truly alone. I
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: And then there's a link.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: I would imagine she was selling a book and they're
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: This is the Daily Mail, though. The Daily Mail is
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: a little sus, right?
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: It's pretty.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: Click on that. Highlight that and click on that article,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: that Daily Mail article. Like, do they quote her? Even
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: if it's not.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: Canvas, there's definitely plenty of other women who push this.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: 100%. Who say they regret it. But I wonder, like,
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: how are they able to say that she regrets this
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: if there's no quote attached to it? So what does
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: it say here? Then when I got divorced, I was
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: in my 50s, started to see the impact of not
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: having children and being truly alone. Okay. I do see
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: that people with children have an anchor in a way
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: that people who have no kids don't. Okay. And what
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: does it say below that? Any more? Did she elaborate?
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: She explained that she didn't feel like dating after her
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: 2012 divorce. Ballet dancer. She married a ballet dancer. Red flag.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: This wasn't going around for a while, but. Sorry, male
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: ballet dancers. I'm just kidding. It's not that long to
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: get to my age. I know women who have gone longer.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: That was it? That was the entire quote? Yeah, I
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: was just looking her up.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: Well, I can see why they took it that way then.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: Maybe she's saying overall she still thinks it was better
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: to go after a career.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: Or maybe she's just gaslighting everybody to sell a book.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: Could be. Maybe she's like, you want to sell that book?
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: You better be on the go-go boss girl list.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: I suppose so. But like you asked, you asked me like, is,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: do women really want to be in the workplace or
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: are they only kind of really.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: Choosing the girl boss stuff? That's a giant generalization anyway.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: Right. Of course it is.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: Obviously some women do and some women don't. And there's
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: a lot of women who naturally maternally want to have children,
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: want to have a family. Well, and then it's also
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: finding a guy that you can trust that you care
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: about and you think is going to stick with you
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: and he's really going to be invested in this whole thing.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: And someone who's like a solid man who's not going
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: to become an alcoholic and, Lose his job and fall
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: apart and.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: Then you're fucked. That's what happened to me.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: That can happen to anybody.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: But that aside for just a moment, Simone de Beauvoir,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: arguably the biggest feminist of second wave, the French intellectual
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: who was buddies with Jean-Paul Sartre and they got in
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: trouble for grooming underage kids and seducing them and all
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: kinds of crazy stuff. But she's respected as the greatest
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: feminist intellectual of the 20th century and she was super influential.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: And in a 1970s interview with Betty Friedan, she said,
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: I don't believe that society should give women the opportunity
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: or the choice to stay home and be mothers, because
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: if we do, they're all going to pick that. And
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: I don't think it should be an option. So it
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: was the it was the view of the feminists that.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: And Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton said that
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: they said that. We would have never passed suffrage had
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: it not been for men. If it was ever left
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: up to women alone, we would have never passed suffrage.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: They would have never gone for it. They don't want liberation. Now,
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: of course, from their view, they're like, well, it's because
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: they're oppressed and they don't know that they hate their solid,
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: their slavery yet. They just haven't realized how oppressed they are.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: And if they could see it, you know. for what
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: it is, they wouldn't like it. But we couldn't convince
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: them for 100 years. We had to convince the men
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: that don't you want your daughters to like have their
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: own money and this and that. So the feminists themselves
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: say women didn't want it. If we ever left it
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: up to women, they wouldn't have ever chosen it, like
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: at least not as a whole. Sure, there would always
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: have been a minority. But I would argue that the
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: minority of women who fought for that were the ones
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: that The status quo historically of get yourself a good man,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: have a family, stay home, it doesn't work for them. So, like,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: a lot of them, there's a book about this. Edward
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: Dutton wrote a book about witches, feminism, and the fall
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: of the West where he says traditionally, like, women, the
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: archetype of the witch being ugly and haggard and living
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: on the outside of town, it's kind of historically accurate.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: Most of the feminists, like, have you ever seen a
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: picture of Susan B. Anthony, for example?
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: I have not.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: She is aesthetically challenged. We'll say that. So is Betty Friedan.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: So are a lot of these women. Not all, but
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: a lot of them are.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: And a lot of men were not really interested in them.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: I think they look at the system and they go, well,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: this isn't fair to me. You know, I'm smart. I
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: can do other things. I'm just a baby factory. The
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: amount of women who have called me a baby factory
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: is pretty insane because I have five kids.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: Well, they're not fun women.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: No, they're not fun women. But they'll be like, I
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: don't want to be you. You're just a baby factory.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: It's like the same kind of men that call me
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: toxic male.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: You know, it's just.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: How dare you be a successful masculine archetype of a man?
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: You're not allowed to lift weights.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: Right. It's very threatening to people. Well, in some ways,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: I'm the weirdest person to be here talking about this
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: because I grew up a tomboy. Uh, and I have
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of like, people use this against me. They're like, oh,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: you're actually really masculine for a woman. You may not
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: always look super masculine.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: You're really in a firearms.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: I'm really, I'm a firearms instructor. I love weightlifting. I'm
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: like an OG meat head. I love bodybuilding. I did
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: powerlifting for years. I grew up on farms playing in
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: the mud with the other boys in the neighborhood. That's
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: what I liked to do. But I think that when
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: you grow up like that as a woman, You realize
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: like I'm really strong for a woman. I can deadlift
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: 250 pounds for sets of five. But the guy next
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: to me who has never trained in his life can
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: do that, too. And you give him six months in
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: the gym and he's going to blow past me. You know,
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: you just you have a more realistic understanding of how
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: that works. And I think that in the modern era,
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: all the feminist side debate is. They live in this
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: world that we're sitting in this studio right now and
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: all this wonderful stuff that allows me to be here
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: talking to you and talking to all the folks that
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: are watching. The microphone, the technology, everything was built by men.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: You'll hear the Hedy Lamarr thing that she came up with.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: Wi-Fi?
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: No, it's not true.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: No, it's not true.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: What do you mean?
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: She worked with a man on a precursor to it,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: but it wasn't her. It wasn't like she by her.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: I think so. I think they actually were. I think
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: it was one of her boyfriends. I could be wrong
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: on that, but no, if you like, even if you
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: just ask Grok, is that really true? And it's like, ah, well,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: a little bit, but not really. And that, but far
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: and away, men are the builders and maintainers of infrastructure
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: and technology. And they always will be. Cause the truth
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: is women have had a hundred years to get into
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: that stuff and they just don't really want to. They'd
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: rather be interior designers or psychologists or things that are, um,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: you know, about people and social dynamics and, you know,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: aesthetics and stuff like that. I'm that way too. I
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: have like a really strong intellectual logical side. I love
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: debating and all that kind of stuff, but I also
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: love smelling baby's heads and dressing them in cute little outfits. And,
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: you know, I love glitter and sparkly things. So it
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: is what it is. Women don't want to go be men. Right.
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: That's what we're finding out after a hundred years of
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: this is that when you make women be men, they
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: hate it. Like that lady that, um, Tried to be
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: a man. Have you heard of that story where the
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: woman tried to pose as a man for like a
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: year and she ended up deleting herself, I think, because
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: it was so horrible. Like it was so awful. She
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: was like, life as a man is awful. It's tough.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: It's hard. Nobody cares about your feelings. Nobody's coming to
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: rescue you. And I think women growing up in this era,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: they don't think about when they turn on the light
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: switch in the morning, how that happens. When they get
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: in their car and drive to work, they don't think
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: about who built the road they're driving on, who built
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: the cars or designed them or who changes their oil.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: It's all men. When they flush the toilet, they don't
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: think about, hey, if that toilet backs up or the sewage,
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: you know, the sewer treatment plant has a problem, it's
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: going to be men that go in and fix it.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: If there's a hurricane or an ice storm, Who's going
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: to be back out in the dangerous weather trying to
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: rescue people and get the power back on? It's going
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: to be men. I'm waiting for the feminists to come
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: and rescue all the people from the floodwaters and to
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: put the power lines back up after the tornadoes come through.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: So far, they have not appeared. They haven't shown up
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: to do the dirty, dangerous and difficult jobs that men do.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: And I'll believe them that what they want is equality
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: when they start signing up for those jobs.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: Well, it's just. such a bizarre perspective to think that
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: it's not a huge task to raise children and to
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: care for them and communicate with them and see to
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 2: their emotional needs and, and help them solve things and
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: figure things out and help them with their schoolwork and
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: just normal stuff that is so crucial to the development
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: of a child. And we've somehow, because there's no monetary,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: you can't like, put a number on that, like how
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: valuable it is, it's not valuable. If it's not bringing
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: in money, if it's not contributing to the GDP.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Weird. Fucking weird.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: That whole myth of women's unpaid labor, I'm glad you
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: brought that up. I just finished a huge project that
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: I'm working on with Andrew, my excellent handsome husband, and
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: Stephen Crowder, Dr. David Patrick Harry, and Rob Knorr, who's
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: a champion debater. We put together a feminist debate course
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: that's coming out really soon. I think this week. I
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: think it drops this week. And we go over all
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: these myths and debunk them and we show people and
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: demonstrate like how to debate this feminism thing because it's
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: a Leviathan. It's a beast. If you take it on
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: like one of the reasons I'm out here doing it
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: is because when men try to argue against feminism or feminists,
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: they immediately get slapped with you're a misogynist, you hate women,
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: you're an incel, all the tropes. You have a small dick.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: What are you, gay? Like just all the insults, right? Well,
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: when I sit in front of them and make those
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: arguments– You can't really just get away with that. You
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: have to contend with them because I'm a woman. You
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: could try to insult me, but it's not going to
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: land the same as when you do that to a man.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: So we put together this course to try to help
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: people deconstruct the framing that's been built, question all the
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: founding axioms that feminism was this good, necessary grassroots thing,
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: that it's good for women, that if it ever went away,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: all the women would be chained to the stove in servitude,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: not allowed to learn how to read or drive a car.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: When you hear about like women's oppression in the Middle East,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: that's a result of Islam. In Christendom, that was never
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: a thing. Like even in like ancient Christianity was one
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: of the first places that women were really seen as
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: full human beings. And a lot of it's because of
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: the Theotokos, the mother of God, the Virgin Mary. being
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: the Ark of the New Covenant that brought Christ into
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: the world for man's salvation. She was even asked by
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: an angel and she said, let it be so.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: Which is so bizarre that modern feminist women support Islam.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: Yes, they do. And they hate Christianity and they hate
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: the Virgin Mary. They don't like her being an archetype
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: of virginity and motherhood, you know, and strength and men's salvation.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: They don't like that, but they'll support Islam all day long.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: That's fine.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: It's so strange. It's so strange that it worked. It's
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: so strange that something that goes against actual human nature
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: somehow or another became the prevailing ideology amongst liberal women.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: The occult aspect of it was very shocking.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: It was very weird.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: It was very shocking to me.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: You didn't know.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: When I started researching— To put together the book, I
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: thought it was going to be mostly about the funding
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: of the feminist movement, the Jekyll Island Club being the
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: same guys that like went to the Jekyll Island in
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: secret and put together the income tax and the Federal
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: Reserve and then compulsory education system. I thought it would
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: be mostly about that and the fact that women never
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: wanted it, that women weren't the ones that just came
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: together and demanded it. And then I started researching all
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: the like popular figureheads and really reading their stuff because
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: I was like, this is a very unpopular. I'm making
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: pretty intense claims here. So I really have to be
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: able to back it up and I better make sure
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: I'm correct and I better make sure I'm accurate. Because
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: whenever you're challenging a narrative this big, everyone's going to
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: go through with a fine tooth comb and try to
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: see where I'm wrong or see if I'm lying or
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: see if I'm twisting things. So I did two and
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: a half years of just reading feminist literature. It was rough,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: but I got through it. And what I found was,
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: holy moly, most of these women, almost all, but certainly most,
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: were into spiritualism, which was like a big 1800s movement
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: of like trying to do seances and contact the dead
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: and things like that. Theosophy, which combines like Eastern occult
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: practices with like other Western traditions. Ancient goddess worship. new
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: age stuff, and even Satanism and Luciferianism. In fact, in
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: my book, I cite a book that's a PhD thesis
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: by a professor from Norway. His name's Per Faxneld. I
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: don't know if that's the way you pronounce it, but
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: that's how it's spelled, P-E-R. It's called Satanic Feminism, his book.
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: And now he himself is a Satanist. He's a Luciferian himself.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: So he sees it as a good thing that the
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: women of the 19th century are openly declared Lucifer as
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: their liberator and the mascot of their movement. Now, you
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: would look back and think these were Christian women because
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: they were in like New England and stuff in the
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: United States, Puritan communities and things like this. But they weren't.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: In fact, Elizabeth Cady Stanton and a bunch of her
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: friends wrote something called the Woman's Bible in 1895, where
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: they rewrote the Bible from a feminist perspective and took
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: out the things that they thought were were oppressive and patriarchal.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: And in the intro, Stanton herself says, I think her
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: husband was a preacher maybe or really involved with the
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: church at the time. But she said, I don't believe
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: that any man has ever heard anything from God. I
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: don't believe the Bible is divinely inspired. I think all
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: of Christianity was made up specifically by men to oppress women.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: That's my personal belief. She was more of like a
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: proto new ager. She believed in like this monism stuff.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: And she said, if I could.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: Monism?
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, monism is like the kind of a lot of
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: the new age or even some of the DMT bros
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: will kind of come to this conclusion that there's like
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: a one that we have to return to. Like we're
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: all one and we're all God and we forgot that
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: we need to return.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: To the one. We're all God.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're all God.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: I've heard that one before.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we got to return to the one. And
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: they were writing about this stuff in like the early
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: 1800s is like, transgenderism, gender abolition, gender as a spectrum
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: was being written about by Margaret Fuller in the 1840s
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: in America. And she said, we're never going to return
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: to the one as long as we have this gender division.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: So in the future, I'm envisioning a future with no gender.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: There's no men and women anymore. And she said, nobody's
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: really born a man or a woman. You're either, you're
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: on this spectrum and some people are more on the
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: male side and some people are more on the female,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: but nobody is like fully one or the other.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: I had that argument once where the guy was a professor.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: It was one of the dumbest conversations I've ever had
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: on this podcast. And I eventually had to say to him,
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: if you go buy a puppy and it's a boy puppy,
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: but you wanted a girl puppy, do you say that
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: there is no gender? What do you do? What are
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: we talking about here? You're saying that some men don't exist,
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: that men aren't real, that women aren't real, that no
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: one is a man and no one is a woman. Like,
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: that's crazy. How did you get here? You got here
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: because someone with an XY chromosome had sex with someone
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: with an XX chromosome. And that's how it works. It's
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: like a biological definition based on objective reality.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: Like, we all know that. But there's this weird fucking dance.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: And that dance, if you keep just asking questions... Like,
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: why is that dance? What are you doing? Like, why
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: are you saying that? Like, what does that mean? Well,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: what about this? And what about that? It just falls apart.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: But yet they have this weird resistance to facts.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: Very strange.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: Well, this is why the occult was so appealing to
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: these people and why. So like feminists are drawn to
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: the occult and occultists are drawn to feminism because in
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: most occult traditions, there is this idea of gender bending
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: and gender fluidity and transcending gender. In order to transcend
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: to something higher, to become the stars again or to
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: become part of the one monad. So I'm reading all
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: their backgrounds and they're all writing about this stuff. Many
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: of them claimed to be automatic writers. So they would
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: write a book about feminism, say it's not coming from me.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: It's coming from this entity that is speaking through me. Yes.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like that kind of stuff.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: So they would do that. They, like Victoria Woodhull, would
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: claim to be able to contact the dead. Or they
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: would just say, this Christianity stuff is only here to
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: oppress women. Lucifer was the good guy. Kind of the
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: Promethean myth of, like, actually he was the good one
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: because he enlightened us and gave us, you know, free will.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: Luciferianism is very strange. Because you look at the definition
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: of Luciferianism, you think, Oh, they're going to say someone
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: who believes that the devil is God. But it's not
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: quite that. Like, please pull up Proplexity, our wonderful AI sponsor,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: and ask it what is the definition of Luciferianism? Because
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: when I went down this rabbit hole with your book,
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: I looked this up. So it's very strange. Diverse belief system,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: by the way. That's a weird way to say it.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: A diverse belief system that reveres Lucifer not as a
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: Christian devil, but as a symbol or deity of enlightenment, knowledge,
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: and human potential.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: Lucifer. Yes. Fucking Satan.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: The guy who rules hell.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: Where everybody burns for eternity. Luciferians emphasize self-improvement, free will,
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: and intellectual pursuit over traditional religious dogma. They view Lucifer
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: as a light bringer or liberator, often drawn from pre-Christian
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: figures like Prometheus. Practices may include ceremonial magic, but the
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: focus is typically on personal empowerment rather than the worship
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: of evil. But that's a trap door, isn't it?
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: Yes, it is.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: That's what it seems like.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: It's exactly what it is.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: It seems like a trap door. Just the way they
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: describe it, you're like, oh, well, that's me, man. I'm
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: into self-improvement.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: And that's where you get.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: I do cold punches.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: That's why it's we're all God.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: I'm God.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: And that's where you get moral relativism. Secular humanism comes
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: from Luciferianism, by the way. And in the 20th century,
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: almost all the feminists signed like the humanist manifestos and
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: things like that. The secular humanism stuff where it's like
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: morality is subjective. You know, what's right for you at
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 1: the time is what's right and what's right or wrong
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: for me at the time. And there is no objective
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: moral facts. By the way, the reason they get away
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: with rewriting the history on feminism is because they use
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: something called standpoint theory. And this is an epistemological framework
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: that asserts that there is no such thing as objective
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: historical truth or facts. There's no objective timeline of history.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: There are no historical facts. And to the extent that
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: these historical facts exist, they were created by white patriarchal
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: oppressors to perpetuate their patriarchal oppression.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, boy.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: So we can't know the real history unless it's told
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: from the perspective of the most oppressed woman. And so
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: that is how— They rewrote everything. And the stuff you're
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: getting from their textbooks, the things you're being taught in
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: university is this stuff. It's not anything having to do
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: with objective historical timelines.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: So Lucifer appears explicitly only once in the Bible in
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: Isaiah 14, 12, King James Version. How art thou fallen
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning? How art
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations?
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: Original context? Lucifer translates from the Hebrew term meaning shining one,
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 2: bright one, or light bear, often linked to the morning star.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: I think the later link in the later history is
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: the hell and Satan.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: Scroll back down again. Stop right there. It says... Oh,
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: not originally a proper name or reference to Satan. So,
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: but that is Satan though, right?
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: So.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: That's who became Satan.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Right.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: So it's like Lucifer before he went bad. The old days,
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: like the Beatles, the early albums. Yeah. No.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: Well, it's.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: So Lucifer is not Satan.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: No. What? Well, the Orthodox tradition is that he is,
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: and there's multiple names for him. So sometimes he's called
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: the adversary. Sometimes he's called different things.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 3: The.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: The modern Protestant interpretations of things, because they use sola scriptura,
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: there's a ton of, like, word concept fallacies where they
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: think this word always refers to this one thing. And
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: they're not correct about that. So, like, our church tradition says, yes,
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: he is Satan. He is the adversary. He's, you know,
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: the evil one. He's got lots of names. I think
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 1: Lucifer is, like, his name is an angel. But.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: But so he was a fallen angel. Yes. Become Satan.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: So what... But obviously, if someone is not just a
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: fallen agent, becomes like the worst being in the world
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: or in the universe. Like, how could you ignore that
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: and only concentrate on the self-improvement part? Could you name
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: that after somebody else? Aren't there a lot of other
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: self-improvement people in the Bible?
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: It just seems tricky.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: What this really comes down to, like the name of
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: the book is Occult Feminism. It has two meanings. The
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: first meaning is a lot of these women were really
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: into the occult. Right. That's the most obvious one. But
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: the second one is occult. The term itself just means hidden.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: And there's a whole history here that's been completely intentionally
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: hidden from us. both women and men, but specifically from women,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: that if they knew it, I think they'd have a
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: whole different view of this movement. And they would question
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: a lot of its foundational grounding axioms and all the
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: presuppositions we have that it was to protect women. So
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: if we look at that, if we look at the
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: promises of feminism, the promises we were told, it's going
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: to protect you from abusive men, from unhappy, abusive marriages.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: It's going to give you more freedom and more choice
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: in your life. Those were the selling points and the
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: things we were promised. But if you actually like look
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: at the statistics, you look at the outcomes of what's
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: happened since feminism became dominant and we pushed women into
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: the workforce, we discouraged them from, I mean, antinatalism is
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: so rampant. I mean, you hear people refer to children
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: as like icky. They call them crotch goblins. They call them,
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: you know, sex trophies, all these like, uh, derogatory terms
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: for children and parents. And you see the dual income,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: no kids people, the dinks making all their like TikToks
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: about like a day in our life is dinks. We
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: went to the Taylor Swift concert last night and then
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: we slept in extra late and then we had brunch
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: and smoked a joint like, you know, Chelsea Handler. Look,
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: we have no responsibility. We live purely for ourselves. We
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: do whatever we want. It's so great. So it's like
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: always been this dialectic of do you want to be
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: self-sacrificial and give of yourself for something greater that goes
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: into the future long after you're gone, this greater purpose
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: that you might never even see fully the fruits of
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: in your lifetime? Or do you want to party and
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: have fun and go after what you want now and
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: be kind of hedonistic, kind of selfish? And that's the
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: Luciferian paradigm, like even the satanic temple guys, Anton LaVey
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: and all those guys. They said, look, we're not even
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: like deistic Satanists. We just think, I'm my own God.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: I decide what's right for me. I do what I
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: want in my life for my own fulfillment. And nobody
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: is entitled to anything from me. I decide if and
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: when I want to give anything to anyone, this life
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: is for me. Those are kind of the two sides
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: you kind of end up on. And so when I
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: say a cult, I kind of mean that too. I
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: kind of mean like, yeah, raising five kids was really hard.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: I had to, I didn't buy fancy new clothes. I
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: didn't get beauty treatments. I didn't do much of anything
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: for myself. I went like 20 years with no sleep. Uh,
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: it was, you know, it's, it is hard work, but
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: my children and hopefully their children, who is who I
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: wrote this book for when I wrote it, I thought
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: it was going to be like, I didn't know I
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: was going to be here talking about it. I thought
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: it was going to be for like my grandkids and
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: my great grandkids and things like that. Cause I wanted
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: them to know this stuff. Um, That's hard. It's hard work.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: And on the front end of that, the first 20
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: years that you're raising kids, it feels kind of thankless sometimes.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: It feels tough. And you go, what am I doing
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 1: all this for? It's so my friends are out.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: At the concert.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: They're partying.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: Every job feels like that.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: Yes. So when you put in all that hard work
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: and sacrifice on the front, now I'm in my mid 40s.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: My kids are all grown. I have children that are
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: like in their mid 20s adults. My youngest is in
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: high school. I have more time to do other things.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: That's why I said we give women backwards advice. We
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: tell them, spend all your fertile years building an education
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: and a career. And then later, if there's time for
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: a family, maybe you can do that if you want
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: to be weird. What we should tell women, I think,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: is you can do a lot of things. I'm not
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: saying you only have children and you never do anything else.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: And that was never the case historically. It was never
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: the case. I had my first child at 20. I
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: had my last one at 32. I got a lot
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: of living, God willing, you know, that I'll be able
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: to do other things. I'm doing this now. Once I
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: have grandkids, you'll probably never see me again because hopefully
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: I'll be doing a lot with that. I'll have time
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: to do things for my church, for my community. I
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: could do anything I want. I can garden. I can
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: write books. There's a million things you could do. And
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 1: that was always the case. This idea that women didn't
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: have choices before feminism is nuts. They were writing novels.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: They were supporting themselves, you know, doing all kinds of
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: other things. And what's happened after feminism is now I
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: think you don't have many choices because like my daughters,
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: my second oldest is like, I would love to just
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: get married right now and have kids. But like, how
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: do we pay for it? What do I do until
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: I find a husband? Like between 18, say I don't
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: find a guy till I'm 23. What do I do
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: for those five years? Just stay at home and twiddle
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: my thumbs? Like, what do I do? Do I get
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: a job? She feels like she doesn't have choices. She
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: would love to stay home and have kids. Most of
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: the women who write to me are like, I had
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: one lady write to me and say, I, ever since
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: I got together with my boyfriend and started going to
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: church with him, all I can think about day in
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: and day out is getting married and having kids. I
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: daydream during the day about my future children and I
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: dream about them in my dreams at night. That's all,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: everything in me wants to do that. But I'm in
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: my last year of dental school. And I have all
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: this debt and my parents fully expect me to graduate
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: and start a dental practice. And if I told them
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that, I'm just going to
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: stay home and have kids, they would lose it. They
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: would probably disown me. They would think I'd lost my mind.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: They would say, are you kidding? You can't do that.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: And I talk to women all the time who feel
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: like they're trapped that way. And the truth is feminism
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: didn't make anything safer for women. It did the opposite.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: If you look at we have so much data on this.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: Cohabitative relationships where you just live with your boyfriend have
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: a 35% higher domestic violence rate than married couples. If
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: you look at child abuse, there's something called the National
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: Incident Study. I have a whole breakdown of this on
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: my sub stack too. It's gone over the last 45
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: years of all the data we have from every reporting
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: agency in the country. It's the most comprehensive one. For
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: the last 45 years, children who live with married biological
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: parents are 12 times safer on every metric, whether it's
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: sexual abuse, physical abuse, emotional abuse, neglect, by a factor
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: of 12 times safer than any other living situation. And
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: kids that come from disrupted family living situations like mine,
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: where you got divorced parents and like dad's got a girlfriend,
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: mom's got a new husband, those sort of things. Those
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: are all far, far, far unsafer for children on every
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: level that we look at. And then if you look
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: at kids from fatherless homes, the risk for everything, addiction,
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: learning disabilities, mental health problems, ending up in a juvenile facility,
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: being homeless. It's like between 70 to 85 percent of
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: kids in those situations come from fatherless homes. So what
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: we've done over the last 50 years is take dads
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: and husbands out of the home and replace them with
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: the government. And it has made women and children more
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: vulnerable to abuse, to abandonment, to ending up on welfare,
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: to ending up in any number of bad situations that
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: you can think of. It didn't protect us. And I
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: think if more women knew that, they would at least
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: give it a second thought and be like, hmm, maybe
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: the whole getting married and having kids thing isn't so terrifying.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: We don't fearmonger women about what can go wrong if
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: you dedicate your whole life to a career. We don't
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: tell them, well, what if this happens? What if you
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: try to be a brain surgeon and And then you
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: get Parkinson's and you can never work again.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: But what percentage of people in this country, families in
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: this country, require both parents to work in order to
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: get by? Most. Most. So what's the solution to that?
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: Well, I think it's not going to be quick. It's
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: going to be a multigenerational project. But I think if
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: you give women the choice, I believe Simone de Beauvoir
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: when she said that if you give women the choice,
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: more and more will choose to be moms and stay
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: home at least more.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: Right, but what if they can't?
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: If they can't.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: In this situation we're specifically talking about where they require
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: two incomes in order to pay the bills.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: So that was me. So when Andrew and I got
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: together and we had two kids of our own, we've
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: now got a house full of kids. He's, you know,
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: starting his career. He's making OK money, but nothing crazy.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: And we had to, like, move out to the country
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: where it's cheaper. We had chickens. We had a garden.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: I learned how to be a firearms instructor because I
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: could teach a class on a Saturday, only be gone
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: for one day of the week and make like 2000 bucks.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: So I could make like a week's worth of money
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: only working one day a week on the day that
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 1: he's home. So like my advice to people, I'm not
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: super huge on giving advice because it depends. There's a
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: lot going on that I don't know your situation, but
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: you have to get creative. Try to find things you
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: can do on the side, things you can do from home.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: That was one of the benefits to COVID is now
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: something like 30% of work is remote from homework. If
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: you can do that and kind of structure your day
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: more around the kids and work at night, maybe when
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: dad's home, things like that, that's kind.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: Of what you have to do.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: In an ideal situation.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: In an ideal situation, yeah. I wanted to talk about
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 2: Jack Parsons.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: And all the craziness because we had gone over the
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: fact that this guy was working for NASA. He was
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: involved in rocketry. Yes. And yet he was an avowed Satanist.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: And he got involved in the whole feminist movement.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Through his girlfriend, Marjorie Cameron, who... was like an
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: archetype of the Scarlet Woman. So Parsons was kind of like,
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: he created like a kind of an occult cult that
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: was a break off from Aleister Crowley and had a
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: lot of Crowleyian beliefs. And when he met Marjorie Cameron,
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: she was like this rebellious redhead who smoked and drank
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: and slept around and like all the Hollywood dudes in
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: his circle kind of liked her. A lot of his
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: friends slept with her too. Um, And she was very
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: into the occult and she was really into like witchcraft
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: and ritual magic and so was he. And so when
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: they met, it was like instant chemistry and the rumor,
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: the legend is that they spent like, I don't know,
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: multiple many days, even like up to a couple of weeks,
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: nonstop doing sex magic together. Like that's all they did
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: What is sex magic?
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah. According to like Crowley and a lot of these
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: kind of like more openly Satanist left-hand path type of occultism,
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: the sexual experience and the orgasm is super powerful because
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: it can channel your emotions in a way that nothing
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: else can. You get like this big surge of energy
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: and emotion that will make whatever spell or ritual you're
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: doing more powerful. So Crowley's favorite thing to do was
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: sodomize fellas in order to– worship demons or invoke demons. Yeah.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: He had pets. He had dudes that were his little.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, boy.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: His bottoms for his... I need to go.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: Conjure this demon. Was Crowley gay or bisexual?
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: He was bi. He had a lot of women he
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: would do this stuff with, too, but he thought that
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: the homosexual stuff, basically the more degenerate it is, the
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: more intense it's going to make the spell.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, boy. So he cast spells while he's butt-fucking.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Ooh.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 3: Whoa.
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: And then you add a little bit of hallucinogenic drugs
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: in there, too. And so that's where you really get
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: the good stuff.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: What impact did all these people have on feminism?
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, Parsons was also friends with the guy
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: who came up with Scientology, Hubbard. And they actually fought
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: over Marjorie Cameron for a while. And when Parsons died
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: because he blew himself up, you know, at home working
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: on a rocket, he blew himself up. Cameron didn't handle
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: it well. She freaked out. She moved out into the
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: desert and was and started her own community cult of
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: like moon children. So nuts. It's so nuts. She specifically
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: recruited like all different races of people. Like she focused
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: on finding dudes to impregnate her supposedly to make moon
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: children who were going to like bring the Antichrist and
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: they'd go out into the desert and live on this
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: ranch together and do a bunch of peyote. And she
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 1: made like art. I have some of her art in
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: the book. This crazy, weird looking, crazy art. One of
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: her paintings is called Peyote Vision.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: It's wild.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: But she was doing all the sex magic stuff to
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: try to like reincarnate him, to try to bring about
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: the Antichrist. She thought she was the Scarlet Woman that
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: was going to be like the Antichrist version of Mary
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: where the Antichrist is born through this Scarlet Woman thing.
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: And it's references to Babylon and the end times in
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: the Bible and all this stuff, which Crowley did all
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: that stuff, too. And she was a feminist icon because
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: this stuff goes along with being rebellious. It's it's there's
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: a reason there's like an archetype of feminists, like a
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: stereotype that they're all they have daddy issues. They're man
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: haters with daddy issues because they kind of are. It's
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: usually like they're very against God. They're very against their dad.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: Like you can't tell me what to do. You're not
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: the boss of me. I'm a strong, independent woman. I'm
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: going to get what I want, even if I have
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: to use my sexuality to do with it. It's like
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: a very recurring theme of using sexuality because women don't
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 1: have the monopoly on force. Men do. So what do
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: women have to get power? Sexuality and the power of
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: like determining who gets to reproduce. Did you know that
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: we all have twice as many female ancestors as we
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: do male ancestors? now. So throughout history, genetic studies show
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: that twice as many women have been able to reproduce
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: as men because that's where our power is. Our power
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: is if you're a fertile female, someone's going to fertilize you.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: You don't have to be special or do much. As
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: a man, you have to compete. You have to have resources.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 1: You have to out-compete the other men who are trying
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: to get the female pregnant, that sort of thing. And
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: a lot of men historically died in battle really young
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: or doing dirty or dangerous jobs you know they died
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: younger a lot of times or in war and then
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: you'd have war brides you know so they'd get impregnated
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: again by like the enemy who took them back to
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 1: their homeland that kind of thing so yeah we we
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 1: have this that's where women feel that their power lies
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: is in sexuality that's why every pop star and every
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: movie star who's a famous woman for the most part
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: there's a handful of exceptions but most of them they'll
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 1: do anything to stay hot You know, they're trying to
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: be sexy at 70 like, who was that, Jane Fonda?
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: Sexy at 70, sexy at 80. You know, she's going
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: to be sexy forever.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: I'm just hearing bones crack. Ow, my hip. Yeah.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was like, I mean, Jennifer Lopez is kind
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: of doing that too. She's had how many husbands and
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: engagements and divorces and she's still out there in the
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: thong shaking it on Vegas, you know, her Vegas shows
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: and stuff. And yeah, she looks good. She's got endless
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: money to do endless things to look good. Lord knows
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: what they're doing. But that's where women think their power
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 1: comes from. So Cameron was like big into pushing this
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: into the California like counterculture in the 60s. And at
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: the time, this was like, well, in the 50s and 60s.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 1: So like even people like Sammy Davis Jr., who's another
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: guy that said he was a Satanist.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 2: Sammy Davis Jr. was a Satanist? Hanging out with Sinatra?
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what he said. Now, you wonder sometimes if
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 1: they just say that for shock value.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Or maybe they had fun parties.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, they definitely had. They were having ditty parties before
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: ditty was around. You know what I'm saying? So Cameron
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: was the it girl in the counterculture in L.A. And
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: her art was really popular and stuff. And there's a
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: lot that kind of came out of her popularity that
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: went into the mainstream later. In like the Scarlet Women
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: archetypes of like the sexy bad girl who's rebellious and
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 1: is undomesticated and unattached. You know what I mean? And
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: that's become the cool girl now for a lot of people.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: And that's why like you'll see celebrities talking about, oh,
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 1: I've had four abortions. Yeah, so what? I do what
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: I want and I'm not going to be held down.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: by no man or no baby. I'm going to I'm
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: a strong, independent woman out here. And I decide, you know,
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: that's what that's why you see women screaming about how
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: abortion is great. They go to these rallies and they're
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: just like screaming the most horrible things. And I think
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: if you convince enough women that motherhood and having babies
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: is like this horrific, oppressive ball and chain, which is
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: what my mother was convinced of. She was totally convinced.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: She said to me once, having children is the worst
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: thing that ever happened to me. No offense. She said,
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: no offense, but it's the worst thing that ever happened
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: to me. And I asked her once, I was like,
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: what do you, what is it that you would have
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 1: gone and done? You know, if it weren't for having kids,
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: she had no idea. She had no answer. She just
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: knows that it would have been great. You know what
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: I mean? So it's like, They use a lot of
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: fear of missing out.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 2: Well, they get indoctrinated. Yeah. Yeah. And then that becomes
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 2: your primary narrative and you believe it no matter what.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 2: And you just default to that no matter what.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 2: And all your discomfort is because of this thing that
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 2: you've already identified. This is the problem. Patriarchy, men. I
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 2: got saddled down with kids. That's why I'm miserable.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 2: Not because I'm completely unproductive. I don't have a good community.
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: I'm not healthy.
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 2: All of the above.
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: Isn't it weird? Have you ever noticed, like, all the
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: videos women will make about how they get a divorce?
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: I just went through my divorce, and then I had
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 1: a post-divorce glow-up. They lose 40 pounds. They get in shape.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 1: They get their hair done. They maybe get a little
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: plastic surgery, a little Botox, a little filler. And they're like,
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: look at me now. And it's like, if you had
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 1: done that while you were married— You'd probably still be
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 1: married and having a great time with your husband.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: Perhaps the husband's a fucking loser.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: Sometimes.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: A lot.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: That happens.
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of losers out there. There's a lot
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 2: of guys I wouldn't want to hitch my wagon to.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 2: If I was a woman, like, count on this fucking
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: dipshit to figure things out.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: I think that's the other result of the sexual liberation stuff, though, is, like,
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 1: what motivation do men have to be, like, good, dependable,
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 1: upstanding providers when they can just sleep around? And B,
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: fuck boys and losers and idiots.
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: That's where the dating apps are so crazy. It's so crazy.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 2: Like you're on a date. Someone says one thing you
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 2: don't like. Like, let me just pick up my phone
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 2: and see who else is around. Yeah. It's crazy that
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 2: so many people are on those things. And you're just
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 2: like constantly inundated by options.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: I've never been on a dating app. It's one of
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: my biggest flexes in life. Never been on a dating app.
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: I've been with Andrew for, you know, almost two decades now.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: So it's like. I missed that whole thing. I feel
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 1: like I caught the last chopper out of Nam.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: I have some friends that met wonderful people on dating apps.
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 2: Like I have a good buddy of mine who met
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 2: his girl on a dating app and he loves her
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: and they have a great relationship. It can happen.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: It's just like just people that you don't want to
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 2: go to a bar. That's not the type of people
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 2: you want to meet in the first place. How do
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 2: you find them? And they have like certain dating apps
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 2: that are like more selective I guess. Yeah. You know
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 2: about like what are you into? Try to pair someone
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 2: up who's like minded. If you're alone and You're busy
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: with other stuff and you find it very hard to
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 2: meet someone. I would imagine it's really interesting. But then
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 2: also if you're a young person and you're just trying
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 2: to bang it out out there on the streets and,
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 2: you know, you got 14 people hitting your inbox and
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 2: pictures of your abs and you're fucking flexing or whatever
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 2: it is, you know, like. That is chaos. And I
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 2: don't think people are supposed to have those kind of options.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: No, you didn't. You never did historically. It's only been
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 1: like 15 years. It used to be your area where
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 1: you live. Those were the people to choose from. And
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: you'd find the best person for you in that. Like
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: I interviewed my grandma on my YouTube channel when she
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: was 97. And I asked her, like, when you and
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: Aunt Thelma were trying, when Thelma and Lois were looking
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: for boys, you know, husbands in the early 40s. Like,
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 1: what were the things you guys were looking for? What
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: did you think about when you were like looking for
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: a guy? She's like, oh, well, we, you know, he
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: had to have a good reputation. He had to come
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 1: from a nice family, you know, because you're going to,
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 1: you know, when you marry a guy, you marry his family.
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 1: So you got to think about that. I wanted him
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: to go to like the same type of church as
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: me and believe the same things. And he had to,
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 1: you know, have good job prospects, you know, a good
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: future prospects because, you know, you want to raise a
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 1: family and And those sort of things. She did not
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 1: say six foot, six pack or six figures. None of
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: that came up. It was all like pretty wholesome and
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: very like long term minded. Do you know what I mean? Right.
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 1: But she's thinking of the future. I don't feel like
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 1: I don't even feel like I did that. I feel
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: like when I was young, I was stupid and I
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 1: was like, he's cute and funny. That's good enough for me.
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 2: Well, it's like there's normal preferences that people have to big,
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 2: tall guys, fit people, wealthy people. That's the normal things.
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 2: But it's like the thing about today and all the
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 2: options is not just that. It's all the performative stuff
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 2: that people do consistently and constantly online. So then you're
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 2: also looking for positive feedback from strangers constantly. And then
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 2: you're also reflecting on negative feedback from strangers constantly. So
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 2: kids today are just overwhelmed, drowning in anxiety because they're
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 2: addicted to this feedback and this thing where they're always
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 2: pretending to be someone that are not online and they're
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 2: using filters and cars that they leased and you know.
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: It's very strange yeah I have four girls and I
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 1: made a point to always show that like I'll show
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: them before and afters of the Kardashians I'll show them
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: here's Kylie Jenner before all the like probably hundreds of
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: thousands of dollars worth of work that she's had done
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 1: in professional stylists and trainers and all the facial augmentations
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: and all the different things that they get done here's
• 2:04:02
  Speaker 1: what she looked like just any normal girl from your
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 1: junior high The only reason she looks like this now.
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 1: And on top of all the work and everything else,
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: there's filters and there's apps that they edit everything with.
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, this isn't real.
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 1: Because I remember growing up in the 90s. I don't
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 1: ever remember thinking a whole lot about what my butt
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 1: looked like if my nose was too big. Like all
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 1: the things that they hype. These girls like pick themselves
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 1: apart today.
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: It's. terrifying it's like heartbreaking I think boys do the
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 1: same thing they're like I'm short it's over for me
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 1: I might as well self delete I'll never be anything because.
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: I'm short and I'm like well what percentage of guys
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 2: are incels today it's kind of nuts it's pretty high
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 2: it's really high like higher than I like there was
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 2: a percentage of men that don't have any sex at
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 2: all right now and it's nuts but it's that thing
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 2: it's like 20% of the men are desirable to 100%
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 2: of the women right and those 80% of guys.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 1: Are fucked yes Yeah, I don't I don't know what
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 1: we do about that. I don't have a great answer
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: for that. I've tried kind of like talking like I'll
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: go on the whatever podcast once in a while and
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: kind of like ask girls probing questions about that, like.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: Do you think it's possible that you could be missing it?
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: Like if you're 22 and you won't date a guy
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 1: because he only makes 50 grand a year, it's like, yeah, well,
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 1: my husband only made 40 grand a year when we met,
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 1: but he makes way more than that now. Like you
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 1: used to grow together and having a family really motivates
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 1: a man to like hustle and grow whatever it is
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: that he's doing and try.
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: To be better.
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 1: But it's like if you're 22 and you're like, I
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 1: won't even look at you unless you make six figures,
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: you're missing out on a ton of great guys. And
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 1: it's like, what? What exactly do you want? What are
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: you looking for? And they don't even know.
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 2: Well, they're kind of programmed towards hypergamy today, right? It
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 2: seems like they're programmed to go after the super successful,
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 2: hyper successful people and not think, oh, I'm developing a
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 2: relationship with a man and we're going to grow together.
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 1: And they have– this is true. We know there's problems
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 1: with men, but we talk all the time about problems
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: with men. And I think what we tell women is
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 1: you're perfect how you are. You are a goddess, girl.
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 1: And you don't have to change for anybody. That's what
• 2:06:17
  Speaker 1: we tell women.
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 2: But then, how many of those women are now on Ozempic?
• 2:06:22
  Speaker 2: That was crazy. All the body positivity women are all
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 2: like 120 pounds now. They look like they're making weight
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 2: at the UFC.
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all the fat is beautiful influencers are now just like.
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: Skeletons.
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 2: It's so fucking strange.
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 1: Kind of gave the game away.
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 2: You see like Kelly Osbourne on TV. God bless her soul.
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know if she's doing that. But, you know,
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 2: a lot of them, they just get so thin.
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 1: Meghan Trainor got popular on a song about being a
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: little bit chunky and having a big butt and that
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 1: boys actually like that better. And the minute she can
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 1: get a GLP-1, she's like, never mind. I'm going to
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 1: be skinny now.
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 2: A lot of people did it. A lot of people
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: did it.
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 1: Lizzo did it.
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But it's this thing I always say to men,
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 2: you know, when they tell me, like, oh, I don't
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 2: want to work out. I don't want to do any
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 2: of those things. Why do you do it? Why do
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 2: you waste all your time doing that? I go, if
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: I could give you a pill. That could make you
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 2: really strong, like instantaneously really strong and able to like
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 2: strangle men. Like you could kill people with your bare hands.
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 2: You wouldn't take it? Do you want to be vulnerable?
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: Do you like it? Well, there's no pill. But if
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 2: you just work, you can become that. You can become
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 2: a different type of man.
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 2: Like that's possible.
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 2: But you don't want to do it. So you want
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 2: to dismiss it as being silly. Well, why would it
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 2: be silly to have power? It's to have strength, to
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 2: have a physical body that can like move things around easier,
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 2: that can hold people down if you have to. If
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 2: there's something terribly wrong, you can defend yourself. Why would
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 2: you not want to have that? Well, everybody wants that.
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 2: It's just it's an incredibly long path to get there.
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 2: So they're fucking scared of it. So they dismiss it.
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's the same thing as raising kids.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 1: It's like so I. lifted weights for, uh, it's been
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 1: like 18 years and there were periods where I was
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 1: really lean and I looked fantastic. And then there were
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 1: periods where like I, and I lifted all through my
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 1: pregnancies and everything. Thank God. And I highly recommend it
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 1: because if you don't want to have like A lot
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 1: of the complications you can have post-pregnancy, like pelvic floor issues,
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 1: birthing issues, get really strong and squat heavy. Be able
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 1: to do some heavy deadlifts and stuff. All that stays
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 1: really strong and it really helps with your health. I
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 1: had a doctor that told me I wasn't going to
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 1: walk again. After my fourth baby, because my pelvic bone
• 2:08:35
  Speaker 1: separated when I birthed her.
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 2: You're not going to be able to walk.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 1: She was like, you should just get a walker.
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 1: You're not going to be able to do much.
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 2: That lady was so callous. I know. I was like.
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 2: That's so crazy. There's no rehab. There's nothing you could do.
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 1: By that time, I knew that most doctors give you
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 1: advice based on liability. They don't want to get sued.
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 1: She doesn't want to tell me to go squat because
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 1: what if I hurt myself and then.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 2: It's her fault. It's so funny.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 1: So I just went right back to, I'm just going
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 1: to start with like. literally lifting my legs in bed
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 1: and then I progress and now I've got nothing wrong
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: with me I'm super strong as I'm fine but it's
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 1: the best thing to do and through all those years
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: of lifting even when I was a little too chunky
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: like after my son passed away I gained a lot
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: of weight I could not care about myself for a
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 1: couple of years I just couldn't bring myself to do
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 1: it but I still went to the gym because it
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 1: kept me sane it did more for me mentally and
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 1: than therapy or anything else other than prayer. I would
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 1: say prayer would be the number one thing. Gym, a
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 1: close second. It was a really great way to battle
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 1: out all of the really strong, crazy emotions that I had.
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 1: Just one more rep, you know, until you're so tired
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: that it's like a lot of the bad feelings and
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: stuff you have, you have some clarity and you can
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 1: kind of figure it out. You know what I mean?
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 2: That's one thing that I think would be a good
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 2: way to develop more men is to encourage them into
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 2: doing difficult things.
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 2: And difficult hard work and specifically physical things because I
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 2: think your body has a certain amount of requirements in
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 2: order to maintain like a stable level of anxiety and
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 2: mental health. Yeah. I think it's a giant– I know
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 2: it's a giant factor because when I take a few
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: days off, if there's something wrong, if I get hurt
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 2: or something like that, I start getting batty. I'm like, oh,
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 2: this is like most people, most of the time. Like
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 2: that's a terrible way to live your life. Yeah.
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 1: Andrew knows if I'm, if I'm out of sorts like that,
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 1: he's like, you haven't been to the gym. And like,
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 1: we just moved across the country and it was like, it's,
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 1: there's so much that goes into doing that, especially when
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 1: he has a business and everything and there's kids. And
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 1: so it was like the longest I've taken off ever.
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: I want to say like, even with kids and surgeries,
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 1: I didn't have to take off that long. And we
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 1: finally got the home gym put in. He's like, oh,
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 1: you're normal again. Great. You're mentally balanced again. It's great
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 1: for women, too. If you're a woman that struggles with
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 1: depression and anxiety, try pushing yourself really hard in the
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 1: gym and you'll find out what you're made of. It
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean you have to be stronger than dudes. It doesn't.
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: You're not going to get huge muscles because you don't
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 1: have enough testosterone to do that unless you're taking gear
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 1: or something. But get in there and work out. And
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 1: then you have the added benefit of it's going to
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 1: help you through childbirth and pregnancy. As you get older,
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 1: you're not going to be fragile anymore. And need your
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 1: kids to take care of you all the time. You
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like my parents both have terrible
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 1: health and I want to avoid that. So I'm trying
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 1: to be like really proactive about keeping myself healthy, avoiding
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 1: heart disease, diabetes, all these things so that my kids
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 1: don't have to have a power of attorney and take
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: care of me.
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 2: Um, is there anything else you want to cover in
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 2: the book? Cause, uh, it's a, it's a really, I
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: didn't read it. I listened to it. The guy who's
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 2: reading it was, um, A very odd voice. It's very odd.
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 2: I really wish you read it. I.
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 1: want my husband to narrate it. I've asked multiple other
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 1: people to narrate it and I can't get anybody to
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 1: do it. I would love to do a reproduction. He
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 1: actually did that for free because he thought it was,
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 1: he was like, this book is so important. I'm happy
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 1: to do it. He just sounds like he has a
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 1: bit of a sinus infection.
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He's got an odd voice, which is fine, but
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 2: it's just like, it's the, the information's very fascinating, but
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: I just, I always wish people read their own book
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 2: in audio.
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know why I didn't? Because I think I
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 1: sound like Lois Griffin and Sarah Palin had a baby.
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: And I don't know that anybody wants to listen to
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 1: hours of my voice.
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 2: They do. I'm sure they do. They're listening to it
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'll do it.
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 2: The normal voice.
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 1: Maybe I'll do it.
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 2: It's all in your own head.
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 1: Well, I have this upper Midwest like old guy, you know.
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 2: That's fine. You're from the upper Midwest. It doesn't matter.
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 2: But the point is it's like it's interesting because this
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 2: is your work. It's your perspective, you know.
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And.
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 2: It's really good.
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 1: There's a lot. I'd say if I got to say
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 1: anything else about it, I did not write this book,
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 1: nor do I talk about these things or debate feminists
• 2:12:57
  Speaker 1: because I hate women. I do not hate women. I
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: love women.
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 2: I'm a woman.
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 1: I have daughters. I have women in my life that
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 1: I love.
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 2: That's a crazy narrative.
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and people think they'll say like, why do
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 1: women act so crazy nowadays? Why are they all so crazy?
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 1: And it's like, What do you think would happen if
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 1: you took any group of humans and you said you
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 1: are perfect the way you are, you are a goddess,
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 1: you are strong, independent, whatever you are. You don't need
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 1: to change. There's nothing to be improved upon. And if
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 1: you do something wrong, it's only because a man somewhere
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 1: hurt you or did something bad. And that's the only
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 1: reason that you would do– like we've removed accountability. We've
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 1: given women– More power than the balance. I think there
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 1: was a balance already before feminism because you had women
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 1: with the power over reproduction and mate selection and sexuality
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 1: and motherhood and all the influence they have over men
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 1: through those things. And then you had men with the
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 1: monopoly on physical force and probably like political force and
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 1: things like that. So there was kind of a balance.
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 1: And what we did with feminism was we just completely
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 1: threw it off. And now we're like, no, men, you
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 1: stay down. You be quiet. You're toxic. You're bad. Like schools,
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 1: public schools are terrible for boys. Sit down. Be quiet.
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 1: Be like Susie. Just use the highlighter and organize things
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 1: by color and be quiet and still and soft and nice. And,
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 1: you know, we H.R. manage boys to death now. And
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 1: so we've thrown the balance off. And what we've done
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 1: is give women all this power, but taken away all
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 1: the accountability. And it's like, why would you not expect
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 1: them to act a little crazy? Why would it not
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 1: kind of spoil them? And I don't think women are
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 1: inherently bad. I think what feminism has done has made
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 1: them a worse version of who they would be otherwise.
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 1: I think we need accountability and responsibility. We need to
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 1: have some self-sacrifice in life. We need to have the
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 1: same inherent human struggle that men have and that all
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 1: people have had. And we did before. So every time
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 1: you look in history, this is a key thing. If
• 2:15:02
  Speaker 1: you are arguing with feminists, if you're looking at history
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 1: and they say, look at this horrible thing, women couldn't
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 1: have this, or women didn't do that, or there was
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 1: stigma around this. Ask yourself, was that also true for men?
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 1: Because it always is. It always is. Men didn't have
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 1: this glorious... carefree existence, free of responsibility where they had
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 1: all the power and control, but none of the accountability.
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 1: That's a lie. That's a myth. But we've convinced women
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 1: of that. So now we're trying to flip it the
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 1: other way. And yeah, women are acting crazy. We have
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 1: Bonnie Blue and we have like all these crazy OnlyFans girls.
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 1: And like the only women online besides me and a
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 1: handful of others are boss babes and OnlyFans chicks and
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 1: Instagram models and blue haired screeching feminists. That's what we've
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 1: ended up with. So it's like I wrote it because
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 1: I think feminism is bad for women. And I think
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 1: it would help. I think it's bad for everyone and kids.
• 2:15:56
  Speaker 1: I am no longer willing to sacrifice the welfare of
• 2:15:59
  Speaker 1: children on the altar of feminism ever again. I won't
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 1: do it. And if you want me to throw kids
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 1: under the bus so that women can do blah, I
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 1: don't care what it is. I'm not going to do it.
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 1: I want to see kids growing up in Loving families
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: with both their parents. I want to see community again.
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 1: I want to see families again. All the great stuff
• 2:16:22
  Speaker 1: that we all lost from that. The loneliness epidemic, all
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 1: the depression and the anxiety. Women have higher rates of
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 1: substance abuse than ever in recorded history right now. Don't
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 1: men also.
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 2: Have higher rates of substance abuse?
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 1: No, it's actually stayed pretty static with men. In fact,
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 1: like Gen Z boys hardly ever drink. Like the marijuana, I.
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: Think they use more. But what about opioid addiction?
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 1: The opioid epidemic is pretty much both because I think
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 1: it's kind of medically based. A lot of people get something,
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 1: you know, surgery or whatever.
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 2: And then they get hooked.
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they get hooked on it and then they
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 1: got to go looking for it elsewhere. But women, we've
• 2:16:59
  Speaker 1: never seen as high a rate of fetal alcohol syndrome
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 1: in babies as we're seeing now. And alcoholism is much
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 1: worse for women. Our bodies are smaller. Our livers don't
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 1: handle alcohol. toxic amounts of alcohol, even as well as
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 1: a man's bad for men. It's even worse for women. Uh,
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 1: 26% of American women are on at least one psychiatric
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 1: prescription drug. Yeah. That's nuts.
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 2: That's nuts.
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 1: And they did something there in my book. I covered, uh, the,
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 1: a big study called, um, the paradox of female happiness.
• 2:17:30
  Speaker 1: And this came out in 2008, I think it made
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 1: huge waves where they did this giant survey of women, uh,
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 1: They had done one in the 70s and they were
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 1: repeating it, you know, 40 something years later to see like, OK,
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 1: we've had a lot of feminism. Are women doing better?
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 1: And on every metric they measured, women reported being less fulfilled.
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 1: less happy and less content than they did in the
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 1: 70s before they were like fully liberated. And they give
• 2:17:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of reasons as to why, you know, the
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 1: burden of having to juggle work and home and the
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 1: expectations of versus reality of what feminism sold them and
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 1: things like that. And then they did a repeat study
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 1: several years later that was even more comprehensive where they
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 1: went to other countries and other societies and different types
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 1: of places and did another survey about women's happiness because
• 2:18:20
  Speaker 1: now feminism is pretty global. There's only a few places
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 1: in the world where it hasn't really taken hold yet.
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 1: So they were like, we should check other places. And
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 1: the authors of the study opened with something that I
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 1: thought was kind of funny. They said, regardless of where
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 1: you look, culture, economic status, religion, it doesn't seem to matter.
• 2:18:40
  Speaker 1: Women everywhere and always are less happy than men. And
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 1: they said the reasons for that are somewhat biological. We
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 1: have like hormonal fluctuations that men don't deal with, you know,
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 1: things like periods and menopause and all that sort of stuff.
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 1: And we're just less emotionally stable. Women experience three times
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 1: the mental illness than men do. And it could be
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 1: for many reasons. We Feminism hasn't made women happier. It
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 1: hasn't made them safer. I don't think it's really given
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 1: them more choices. It's just given them kind of different choices.
• 2:19:16
  Speaker 1: And children are suffering the most. And when you tear
• 2:19:20
  Speaker 1: apart the family unit, which is what the Marxist feminists
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 1: said was their explicit purpose, because property rights are passed
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 1: down through men. Men, you know, build businesses and own
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 1: properties the most and pass it down to their kids.
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 1: So they're like, we got to get rid of this
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 1: fatherhood stuff, the patriarchy. We got to get rid of
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  Speaker 1: the family unit, especially like the Leninist ones were like
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  Speaker 1: Lenin should be the daddy. The government should be the
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  Speaker 1: daddy because you see.
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  Speaker 2: That with a lot of socialist leaning cities where they
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  Speaker 2: want the state to be in charge of things like decisions,
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  Speaker 2: whether a child can medically transition, that kind of shit.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, all that stuff. It's all there for reasons, which
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 1: are all detailed in the book, but it's basically a scam.
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  Speaker 1: And I feel like women have been grossly misled and
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  Speaker 1: horribly propagandized to believe a whole bunch of shit that's
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  Speaker 1: not even true. And if they read my book and
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  Speaker 1: if they look into it themselves, they double check all
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  Speaker 1: my sources, they go back and read everything themselves and
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  Speaker 1: they still believe it's better for them, that's fine. But
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  Speaker 1: I at least want them to know the truth and
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  Speaker 1: be able to make an informed decision about why they're
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  Speaker 1: living their life the way they are and if they
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  Speaker 1: believe this sort of stuff and if they really accept
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  Speaker 1: this feminist framework or not.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's a really, really well-written book and it's very fascinating.
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  Speaker 2: And I really enjoyed this conversation. thanks. I'm so glad that.
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  Speaker 1: You loved the book. I was really shocked that you
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  Speaker 1: liked it so much then.
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  Speaker 2: No, I really did. It was, it was very, it
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  Speaker 2: was eye-opening. Like, how many of these people were full-on kooks? Like,
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  Speaker 2: they just abandoned their kids and these are the people
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  Speaker 2: that everybody's looking to. Like, oh, she was a boss lady. Like,
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  Speaker 2: She was a monster. She was a horrible person that
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 2: didn't think anyone should have children. There's so much of
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 2: that in the book. It's really, really great. It's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: So here it is. Occult Feminism, The Secret History of
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 2: Women's Liberation. Rachel Wilson, go get it.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks so much. It was fun.
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  Speaker 1: Bye, everybody. Bye.