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The Kenny Report | 17 July · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Sky New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me, pandas tennis tourist spots and covers
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  Speaker 3: of Ossie Pup music. Anthony Alberaneze's deferential tour of China
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  Speaker 3: wraps up. I'll talk to Shadow Foreign Affairs Minister Michaulia
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  Speaker 3: Cash and former Foreign Minister Alexander Downer.
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  Speaker 4: With unemployment going up, the.
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  Speaker 3: Good news is that could help interest rates go lower.
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  Speaker 3: But I'll explain while labor why Labour seems to have
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  Speaker 3: a secret plan for higher taxes. More on our rampant
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  Speaker 3: immigration numbers from expert Leith van Onsl and also Independent
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  Speaker 3: MP Dye Lee and why does action on anti Semitism
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  Speaker 3: have to wait for a report on Islamophobia? And the
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  Speaker 3: National Cabinet will sit again? When Tim Blair and Mark
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  Speaker 3: Nicholson joined me to discuss, among other things, the Trumpster
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  Speaker 3: and Coke, Let's get cracking. When China lauded our Prime
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  Speaker 3: minister as their handsome boy, they certainly picked their man.
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  Speaker 3: The socialist Left factional operative with little to no experience
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  Speaker 3: or interest in foreign affairs, was ripe for the picking.
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  Speaker 3: With his student political activism and socialist Left influences making
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  Speaker 3: him susceptible to anti American leanings.
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  Speaker 4: After three years.
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  Speaker 3: As Prime Minister, Anthony Alberdez he hasn't let them down.
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  Speaker 3: Not only has he been too weak to criticize China,
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  Speaker 3: cowed by its economic punishments and military intimidation, he's been
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  Speaker 3: stronger in his criticisms of the US.
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  Speaker 4: Wobbly on the US alliance, and all too eager to
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  Speaker 4: make excuses for.
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  Speaker 3: China's military bullying. So this week, Beijing has laid it
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  Speaker 3: on thick for alboat and he's fallen for it, seeing
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  Speaker 3: all the softening up as proof of his diplomatic touch.
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  Speaker 5: So as well as the formal meetings, the opportunity to
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  Speaker 5: sit down and have a meal and talk about personal issues,
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  Speaker 5: talk about things that aren't necessarily heavily political, is really
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  Speaker 5: important part of diplomacy. And one of the things that
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  Speaker 5: my government does is engaged in diplomacy. We don't shout
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  Speaker 5: with megaphones, We engage in diplomacy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's Clayton's diplomacy, really, isn't it? The diplomacy
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  Speaker 3: you implement when you don't have diplomacy. And as this
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  Speaker 3: week is dragged on six days in China, mind you
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  Speaker 3: a PM who can't get a meeting with the US President,
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  Speaker 3: hasn't checked in on our Operation Talisman defense exercises, didn't
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  Speaker 3: bother dropping in on South Korea, Japan, Vietnam, or the
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  Speaker 3: Philippines while he's in the region.
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  Speaker 4: Just six long days in China.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway, As the week's dragged on, it started to look
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  Speaker 3: more like tourism than diplomacy.
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  Speaker 6: It is thank you.
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  Speaker 5: Then I wouldn't be Prime Minister because I would have
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  Speaker 5: kept just playing tennis.
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  Speaker 7: So don't quit your day job.
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  Speaker 4: But it's a good game.
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  Speaker 3: And so Albo sees himself as a tennis player now.
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  Speaker 3: But he had no time to say anything about one
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  Speaker 3: of China's most famous tennis players, Hung Sweet.
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  Speaker 8: She's tennis peng Shui, a household name and hero in
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  Speaker 8: her homeland.
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  Speaker 4: She's done it. The home Favorites takes the title.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no one knows what's become of peng Shui since
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  Speaker 3: she did what in China is the unthinkable.
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  Speaker 7: I must to tell the truth, even if it's like
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  Speaker 7: using the egg to.
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  Speaker 4: Heat a rock.
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  Speaker 8: On social media, she's accusing one of the country's most
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  Speaker 8: powerful political leaders of sexual assault.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't agree to it, and a Captain Crane.
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  Speaker 8: It's a desperate effort to bring the meat to movement
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  Speaker 8: to Chin, but it backfires spectacularly. Almost immediately, her lengthy
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  Speaker 8: post is scrubbed from the Internet, and worse still, the
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  Speaker 8: woman vanishes as well.
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  Speaker 3: Peng was rolled out for an interview a few years back,
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  Speaker 3: but her whereabouts and condition remain unknown.
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  Speaker 9: To think that a young woman in her thirties, because
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  Speaker 9: of something she posted about a relationship she had with
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  Speaker 9: a high ranking official that we may never see or
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  Speaker 9: hear free again is terrifying. This is twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 9: It's frightening and sobering. But it's quite possibly we won't
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  Speaker 9: And that's why I think I'm emotional right now.
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  Speaker 7: Look, I just want to know exactly why peg fry
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  Speaker 7: is controversial now.
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  Speaker 8: A global campaign to get to the bottom of what
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  Speaker 8: really happened to Peng Shwai is getting louder. The athlete
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  Speaker 8: is seemingly the latest victim of the Communist Party's zero
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  Speaker 8: tolerance approach to dissent.
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  Speaker 2: Forget about it.
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  Speaker 10: We have to use our platforms as athletes.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, good on, you're Nick curios.
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  Speaker 3: This is a great worry, But for Albow, it's just
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  Speaker 3: anyone for tennis. It's this sweetness and light in the
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  Speaker 3: visit that's troubled Sky News. His own Chang Lai, who
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  Speaker 3: just two years ago was still being held in a
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  Speaker 3: Chinese cell on trumped up charges.
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  Speaker 11: But why we are spending, for example, six days in
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  Speaker 11: China and not doing other visits in the region, not
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  Speaker 11: going to South Korea and Japan, and why are we
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  Speaker 11: not meeting, for example, dissidents and activists in the Beijing embassy.
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  Speaker 3: Speaking on Sky News earlier today, Lee understood Australia's national
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  Speaker 3: interests at play. That wasn't convinced by Albanese's program or statements.
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  Speaker 11: We all want better standards of living now, we all
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  Speaker 11: benefit from trading with China. But let's not forget the
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  Speaker 11: pain of the trade sanctions and what happened to people
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  Speaker 11: to people exchanges.
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  Speaker 3: For Albinizi, there's been not a single example of pushback,
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  Speaker 3: no complaint about China's trade sanctions against US.
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  Speaker 4: Instead, he's played into Beijing's.
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  Speaker 3: Pretense that it's only the US that's not implementing a
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  Speaker 3: free and fair trade agenda.
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  Speaker 5: And this guy here is clearly yeah feeling the friendship
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  Speaker 5: between Australia and China as well.
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  Speaker 4: You reckon very chill.
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  Speaker 2: He looks very chill.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Albo just wants to pretend all is chill with China.
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  Speaker 3: He ticked a box by mentioning live firing exercises before
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  Speaker 3: again defending China's intimidation. He's rolled over for the bullies,
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  Speaker 3: which only undermines our own national standing, especially with allies
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  Speaker 3: like the US, and it means there'll be more bullying
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  Speaker 3: to come. Johannas Leek nailed it as ever in The
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  Speaker 3: Australian this morning with his cartoon portraying Albo as the
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  Speaker 3: perfect pet panda, cute, obedient and easy to train.
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  Speaker 5: Our friend's posy.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think of.
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  Speaker 6: When a country just fabulous experience?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, they are absolutely wonderful animals.
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  Speaker 4: They sure are.
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  Speaker 3: But for a bloke who seems to see foreign policy
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  Speaker 3: as a way to boost his domestic political support, even
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  Speaker 3: Albanizi must be starting to realize that his extended and
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  Speaker 3: deferential trip to China has been overdone.
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  Speaker 4: A rabbit.
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  Speaker 3: O's had at the Great Wall yesterday a hawthorn shirt
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  Speaker 3: to visit the pandas he's starting to come across as
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  Speaker 3: more Clark Griswold than Gough Whitlam.
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  Speaker 4: But of course it's a bit more serious than that.
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  Speaker 12: For a prime minister to spend six days anywhere, let
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  Speaker 12: alone communist China, is really quite striking. And plainly he
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  Speaker 12: wants to send a message to the Chinese, and perhaps
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  Speaker 12: even more importantly, he wants to send a message to
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  Speaker 12: the Americans. And there could hardly be a more stark
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  Speaker 12: message to our principal strategic partner that our prime minister
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  Speaker 12: wants to spend six days in Beijing and other major
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  Speaker 12: Chinese cities before he spent a moment getting to know
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  Speaker 12: the leader of the Free World, President Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 13: I do wonder whether a GoF Whitlam history tour on
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  Speaker 13: the Great Wall of China, whether a visit to Shongdu
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  Speaker 13: to pose with some pandas, and whether a hit of
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  Speaker 13: tennis is strictly necessary as part of a six day
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  Speaker 13: visits to China when there is so much else at
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  Speaker 13: stake in our other international relationships around the world. And frankly,
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  Speaker 13: I have to say that some of this is starting
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  Speaker 13: to look a little bit indulgent.
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  Speaker 3: The PM, of course, will have none of this, and
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  Speaker 3: he's even lashed out at the opposition criticism from overseas.
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  Speaker 5: Well, if you compared the difference of this visit with
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  Speaker 5: the failure of the coalition during the last term, during
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  Speaker 5: the term in which I was opposition leader, they didn't
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  Speaker 5: have a fun conversation with between a single minister in
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  Speaker 5: Australia and our major trading partner.
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  Speaker 4: And there you have it.
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  Speaker 3: Albo is just so proud of being able to talk
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  Speaker 3: to our strategic rival, the country that's hurt US with
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  Speaker 3: economic punishment and intimidated US with its military, even though
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  Speaker 3: he's failed to meet with the US president. Even today,
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  Speaker 3: on China's unannounced live firing exercises in the peaceful waters
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  Speaker 3: between Australia and New Zealand, ALBANIZI was less interested in
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  Speaker 3: protesting than running the Chinese line.
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  Speaker 5: We're put forward at our view there, But to put
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  Speaker 5: it in context, Australia has engaged in multiple exercises in
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  Speaker 5: this region.
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  Speaker 3: The PM's visit finally wraps up tonight and he'll fly
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  Speaker 3: home tomorrow.
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  Speaker 5: Well, bring it home, bring it home, yep.
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  Speaker 4: He needs to get back to Australia and back to it.
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  Speaker 14: Now.
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  Speaker 3: And then you can see a tricky government softening the
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  Speaker 3: public up and Labour's post election plan for a so
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  Speaker 3: called Productivity Roundtable has always looked worrisome. I mean, if
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  Speaker 3: you've just delivered a budget, run an election campaign and won,
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  Speaker 3: is that really the time you need to find an
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  Speaker 3: economic reform agenda. Shouldn't you have taken that to the election.
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  Speaker 3: See an ABC freedom of information application after the election
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  Speaker 3: turned up the Treasury advice to Labor that you'll either
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  Speaker 3: have to cut sped all raise taxes or both. Advice
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  Speaker 3: they would have known about long before the election. The
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  Speaker 3: unsustainable spending has been obvious for years and we've consistently
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  Speaker 3: called it out here. Anyway, post election, Labour announced this
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  Speaker 3: Productivity Roundtable for next month, and it looks like being
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  Speaker 3: used to soften everyone up for higher taxes, to pretend
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  Speaker 3: that higher taxes are the consensus of some roundtable rather
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  Speaker 3: than just the secret plan of an incoming Labor government.
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  Speaker 3: As former Treasury Secretary Ken Henry said yesterday, he's the man,
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  Speaker 3: of course, who came up with new taxes the last
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  Speaker 3: time Labor was in power.
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  Speaker 4: And he told the.
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  Speaker 3: National Press Club yesterday that unless you can boost productivity
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  Speaker 3: and rapidly grow the economy, there is only one other option.
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  Speaker 15: If we continue on that trajectory as we said in
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  Speaker 15: two thousand and two, we will have no option but
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  Speaker 15: to raise taxes, and quite significantly, by several percentage points.
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  Speaker 4: Of GDP significant tax increases.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, and Henry already identifies one tax that he wants
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  Speaker 3: to bring back immediately.
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  Speaker 2: Why the hell did we ever drop it?
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  Speaker 15: I mean, that's the question, right.
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  Speaker 4: It still boggles the mind.
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  Speaker 15: That we had the world's best carbon policy and then,
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  Speaker 15: for purely political reasons, decided that we could afford to
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  Speaker 15: do without them. A country that's capable of creating the
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  Speaker 15: best and then decides that it doesn't need anything at all, Well,
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  Speaker 15: might God, of course we need a carbon tax.
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  Speaker 4: Now there's something to look forward to.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, funny that Henry and the other carbon tax supporters
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  Speaker 3: haven't bothered to look at Europe and the UK, where
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  Speaker 3: they've had carbon taxes for decades, but they don't seem
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  Speaker 3: to be doing so well economically or with managing their
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  Speaker 3: energy requirements.
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  Speaker 4: Even the Productivity Commissions outline of five points for.
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  Speaker 3: The Productivity Round Table includes so called tax reform on
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  Speaker 3: the agenda. It talks about replacing stamp duties with broad
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  Speaker 3: based land taxes, winding back income tax concessions, supposedly to
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  Speaker 3: lower rates.
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  Speaker 4: But believe that when you see it, And.
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  Speaker 3: It also talks about things like road user charges to
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  Speaker 3: tax transport and of course emissions.
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  Speaker 4: So much for productivity.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, remember the budgets in a mess and the economies
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  Speaker 3: in strife, mainly undermined by government policies like needless regulation,
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  Speaker 3: insane energy policies and increased union power. And yet there
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  Speaker 3: are really only two ways out, higher productivity or higher taxes.
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  Speaker 3: That's the equation facing the productivity round table. Keep an
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  Speaker 3: eye out for more emphasis on the easy option of
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  Speaker 3: slugging people with more taxes rather than the hard task
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  Speaker 3: of cutting government and tackling the unions and sorting out
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  Speaker 3: the energy mess to actually boost economic growth. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: if labor had any plans other than higher taxes, surely
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  Speaker 3: they would have taken them to the election.
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  Speaker 4: Let's go to.
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  Speaker 3: Canberra now and catch up with the shadow Foreign Minister,
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  Speaker 3: Mikalia Cash.
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  Speaker 4: Good to talk to you, Michaulia.
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  Speaker 3: I'm very keen to get your readout on Anthony Albanesi's trip.
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  Speaker 3: It's an exraxtraordinary long trip to China. He hasn't pushed
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  Speaker 3: back on the key issues. Usually when a prime minister's overseas,
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  Speaker 3: the opposition doesn't criticize them over there to ploymbacy.
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  Speaker 4: But you haven't held back this time. Why well, I.
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  Speaker 6: Think the Communist Party leaders would be very very happy
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  Speaker 6: with the way that this visit has played out from
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  Speaker 6: their perspective. But in Australia, mister Alberanzi now needs toffront us,
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  Speaker 6: hold a press conference and tell us what are the
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  Speaker 6: tangible benefits, in particular the tangible economic benefits that he
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  Speaker 6: has achieved for our country in what is a six
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  Speaker 6: day trip, Chris, this is the longest trip that he
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  Speaker 6: has made since becoming Prime Minister to any country. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: from our perspective at this point in time, it appears
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  Speaker 6: the trip has had very little of substance that is
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  Speaker 6: being achieved. I mean, mister Alberneze seems to think it's
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  Speaker 6: an achievement to be serenaded by a band playing Aussie
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  Speaker 6: rock songs. But in relation to the so called achievements, Chris,
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  Speaker 6: they need to be more than the announcement of a
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  Speaker 6: review of the China Australia Free Trade Agreement. That review
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  Speaker 6: was already in built into the agreement when we negotiated
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  Speaker 6: it ten years ago. In two thy fifteen. It needs
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  Speaker 6: to be more than a reannouncement that Australian mainland apples
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  Speaker 6: will now have access into the Chinese market. Again, that
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  Speaker 6: announcement's being made. What about the blueberries? So Chris, mister ALBERNIZI,
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  Speaker 6: it's time for him to call that press conference and
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  Speaker 6: tell us now, what of substance did you achieve in
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  Speaker 6: this visit? And like you, Chris, I look forward to
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  Speaker 6: hearing from him here.
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  Speaker 3: Look, another aspect that really troubles me because I think
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  Speaker 3: it damages our national standing and makes us a pushover
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  Speaker 3: in the future, is that he hasn't stood up to
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  Speaker 3: China on key issues. Now, I'm not being idiotic about this.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, you don't go there spoiling for a fight.
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  Speaker 3: As you know, I used to work for the Foreign Minister.
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  Speaker 3: But you've got to actually go public with your complaints
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  Speaker 3: and at no stageses Anthony Alberezi on this visit publicly
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  Speaker 3: admonished the trade sanctions that China unfairly directed at us.
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  Speaker 3: They're finished now, but for years they punished us economically unfairly,
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  Speaker 3: and also the numerous instances of military intimidation. Now he
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  Speaker 3: needs to affirm acknowledge that this is not on. Instead,
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  Speaker 3: he's pretended all that away, which surely just gives China
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  Speaker 3: the message that we will come to heal whenever they
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  Speaker 3: put the pressure on us.
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  Speaker 4: Would you have gone stronger.
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  Speaker 6: Well, yes I would, and in particular in relation to
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  Speaker 6: the way in which the circumnavigation of Australia by Chinese
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  Speaker 6: Communist navy ships occurred, but in particular in relation to
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  Speaker 6: the life fire exercises into civilian airspace. Now mister Albanesi
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  Speaker 6: stands up and says, I raised these issues, but hey,
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  Speaker 6: hold on. The response was that they were largely dismissed,
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  Speaker 6: and in fact the exact response was that the Chinese
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  Speaker 6: government will undertake exercises in international waters whenever they please,
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  Speaker 6: whenever they choose, and with no notice. That is not
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  Speaker 6: an adequate response. But Chris, I think mister Albanesi should
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  Speaker 6: have also raised and be very very clear of the
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  Speaker 6: fact that Australia supports the United States presence in the
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  Speaker 6: Indo Pacific and the contribution that the United States makes
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  Speaker 6: to security in the region. I think mister Albanesi should
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  Speaker 6: have been very very clear about A decision has been
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  Speaker 6: made to return the port of Darwin to Australian control.
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  Speaker 6: The problem with mister Albanesi is he says, well, I've
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  Speaker 6: made the decision. The confusion that mister Albanesi is now
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  Speaker 6: causing is in the fact that he refuses to outline
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  Speaker 6: the framework, the time frame and the process. So I
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  Speaker 6: think mister Albanese should have been a lot clearer in
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  Speaker 6: relation to those issues. Because the trip's over six days
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  Speaker 6: is now over. I want mister Alberanesi to immediately now
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  Speaker 6: turn his attention to the Australia US alliance.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, as.
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  Speaker 6: Greg Sheridan has said in Greek Sheridan's words, and Greek
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  Speaker 6: Sheridan is a respected foreign affairs correspondent, I mean, is
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  Speaker 6: mister Albernese deliberately, for reasons only known to himself, seeking
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  Speaker 6: to deliberately diminish your undermine the US Australia relationship in
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  Speaker 6: times of global uncertainty, growing conflict, a growing list of
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  Speaker 6: issues between Australia and the United States. Misteres now needs
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  Speaker 6: to give it well, it absolutely is, and he needs
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  Speaker 6: to give the US Australia alliance the attention it deserves.
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  Speaker 3: I want to get your thoughts on another former federal
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  Speaker 3: labor leader, Mark Latham, who's now in the upper House
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  Speaker 3: of the New South Wales Parliament. All sorts of personal
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: material of his has gone into the public domain in
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: recent days. It's very tawdry stuff, but some of it
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: relates to his communications about his parliamentary colleagues. That has
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  Speaker 3: brought it into the political debate, and even the Labor
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  Speaker 3: Minister Rose Jackson in New South Wales has had this
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  Speaker 3: to say today.
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  Speaker 7: Mark Latham's a pick. Like I've been on the record
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  Speaker 7: about that for a long time. I mean, this is
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  Speaker 7: not new to me. Is well known on the record
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  Speaker 7: multiple times as a bigot. It's one of the biggest
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  Speaker 7: bigots in this state. Obviously, it's extremely confronting for me
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  Speaker 7: to think that in a workplace there's someone who thinks
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  Speaker 7: it's acceptable to take photos of you to share them
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  Speaker 7: with derogatory comments. In any other workplace, you'd be shown
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  Speaker 7: the door immediately and rightfully.
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  Speaker 3: So, Michaulia Cash, is it time for Mark Latham to
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  Speaker 3: leave politics? Oh?
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  Speaker 6: Look, Chris, I didn't agree with Mark Latham when he
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  Speaker 6: was the leader of the Australian Labor Party. I certainly
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  Speaker 6: don't agree with him now. But you know why don't
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: you ask ten. You're Plebistick Penny Wong or Anthony ALBERNIZI
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: they were part of the then Mark Lathan team who
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: tried to convince the Australian people that he should be
• 20:54
  Speaker 6: our prime minister. Thank god they were wrong they did.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: Indeed, they all titled tol us to vote for him erish.
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: The thought exactly right.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us, macaulay. I appreciate it. McCaulay.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Now she's the Senate Leader for the Coalition and also
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: of course the shadow Foreign Affairs Minister. I want to
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: get back to immigration and those numbers we've talked about
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: this week.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: There's numbers for the month of May, the.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: Highest intake of permanent migrants in the month of May
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: on record.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: Let's go to Leith van Nonslan, who's.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: An immigration specialist and macro business chief economists. He joins
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: us live from Melbourne. Good to talk to you again, Leith.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: Tell us about these numbers for May. Do they suggest
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: to us that sort of uncontrolled immigration is continuing or
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: was that month an outlier?
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 21:39
  Speaker 10: Look, look, look, look it's sort of hard to tell.
• 21:41
  Speaker 10: Certainly the numbers pointing to much stronger immigration. So the
• 21:44
  Speaker 10: official quarterly net overseas migration numbers for the GYM quarter,
• 21:47
  Speaker 10: they won't come out until December, so they're about six
• 21:49
  Speaker 10: months behind. What we did get was the monthly net
• 21:52
  Speaker 10: permanent long term arrivals data up to May, which is
• 21:55
  Speaker 10: basically a proxy for net overseas migration, and historically it
• 21:58
  Speaker 10: has tracted very closely. And what that showed is that
• 22:01
  Speaker 10: in the first five months of this year we had
• 22:04
  Speaker 10: two hundred and forty six thousand nets permanent long term
• 22:07
  Speaker 10: arrivals in the country.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Now that was a record high.
• 22:09
  Speaker 10: That was about three thousand high the last year's record,
• 22:12
  Speaker 10: and it's also nearly one hundred thousand more than before
• 22:16
  Speaker 10: the pandemic in twenty nineteen. And I will also note
• 22:19
  Speaker 10: Chris that today's population figures in the June Labor Force
• 22:24
  Speaker 10: survey from the ABS also showed that population has accelerated
• 22:28
  Speaker 10: in the last six months.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Not by a lot, but based on these data, it.
• 22:31
  Speaker 10: Does suggest that the downtrend in net overseas migration that
• 22:34
  Speaker 10: was present at the end of last year has reversed
• 22:37
  Speaker 10: and that migration might actually be increasing again.
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: Now this is a bipartisan issue.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Supposedly these days, labor says immigration has been too high,
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: they've promised to drag it down.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: What's going on here?
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Have they been deceptive or is it difficult for governments
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: to close the gates.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Well, it's not actually difficult.
• 22:55
  Speaker 10: As we saw during the pandemic, they were very successfully
• 22:57
  Speaker 10: in closing the gate, so they can do it with
• 22:59
  Speaker 10: the stroke of a pin. But basically there's an unwillingness
• 23:01
  Speaker 10: to actually clamp down on net overspace migration. They're making
• 23:04
  Speaker 10: a few nip and tucks at the margins, but there
• 23:07
  Speaker 10: is no real appetite to slow the migration train.
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: Now you mentioned the unemployment numbers there, give us your
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: take then on the economic impacts of this.
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: We still have a housing crisis.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: Labor is certainly not going to build the one point
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: two million dollar houses it's promised, and unemployment has ticked
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: up in the latest figures, So surely this immigration isn't
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: going to help on either of those two fronts.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely not so so.
• 23:30
  Speaker 10: Obviously, we've still got very strong labour supply growth, which
• 23:33
  Speaker 10: if you don't have to demand there for the labor,
• 23:35
  Speaker 10: it means they're going to have rise in unemployment.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: But today's numbers.
• 23:37
  Speaker 10: Were unambiguously very weak crease, so Australia's unemployment rate lifted
• 23:41
  Speaker 10: to four point three percent. Now, that was the highest
• 23:43
  Speaker 10: rate since November twenty twenty one, and the result was
• 23:46
  Speaker 10: also well above the Reserve Banks expectations in their later
• 23:49
  Speaker 10: statement of Monetary Policy, where they actually thought that the
• 23:51
  Speaker 10: outlo rate wouldn't exceed four point three percent this entire cycle,
• 23:54
  Speaker 10: so were already beyond that. But what it does mean
• 23:57
  Speaker 10: is that only a very strong CPI print will prevent
• 24:01
  Speaker 10: a rate cut.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: I think in.
• 24:02
  Speaker 10: August it's also worth putting out the full time employment
• 24:05
  Speaker 10: declined by nearly forty thousand jobs, so that's very weak.
• 24:08
  Speaker 10: Underemployment also rose and ours work actually fell, so this
• 24:12
  Speaker 10: was an absolute wipeout. And it was also reflected in
• 24:15
  Speaker 10: the latest Royal Morgan Shadow Unemployment Survey, which has been
• 24:18
  Speaker 10: putting the higher and unemployment for some time. So you know,
• 24:21
  Speaker 10: it looks to Mecrease that Australias labor market miracle, so
• 24:24
  Speaker 10: called miracle that's been buoyed by government funded jobs, most
• 24:27
  Speaker 10: notably in the NDIS might be over.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I suppose the only good news in that
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: is interest rates more pressure on them to come down.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Leith I really appreciate it, Leith
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: than onnso on there from macro business on the alarming
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: economic news out today and this week we've got to
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: take a break. On the other side of that, I'm
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: going to have a bit more on our rampant immigration numbers.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: Are going to catch up with independent MP Diary.
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: To find out what she thinks.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: Plus why on earth do we have to wait for
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: action on anti semitism until we get a report on
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: islam phobia. Let's get back to this record level of
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: immigration in May. It's a big issue for this country,
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: especially in the major cities. I want to bring in Diary,
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: the independent member for the seat of Fowler in Western
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: Sydney takes in Fairfield and Cabramatta.
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: Good to talk to you again, Diet.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: I think I've caught up since your reelection, so you
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: must be looking.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: Forward to Parliament getting back next week. Tomy.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Is high immigration a big issue for you? A big concern?
• 25:33
  Speaker 16: Look?
• 25:33
  Speaker 14: Absolutely, Look, high migration is a big issue for our community.
• 25:39
  Speaker 14: You know, first of all, to acknowledge our communities made
• 25:41
  Speaker 14: up of migrants and refugees and have settled here for
• 25:44
  Speaker 14: decades since the Second World War, and we welcome refugees
• 25:48
  Speaker 14: and MiGs myself for refugee background. Of course, over the
• 25:53
  Speaker 14: last decade, the settlement here, especially in Southwest Sydney and
• 25:57
  Speaker 14: in particular in Fowler, has really put a lot of
• 26:01
  Speaker 14: pressure on infrastructure. Obviously housing shortages, wrote infrastructure, public infrastructure
• 26:09
  Speaker 14: that has not really kept up with the pace of migration,
• 26:12
  Speaker 14: and of course jobs as well and skill set. So
• 26:16
  Speaker 14: it has put a lot of burden and pressure on
• 26:19
  Speaker 14: our existing communities and I think I think we need
• 26:23
  Speaker 14: to really look at how when we talk about migration,
• 26:27
  Speaker 14: how do we ensure that migrants and refugees get resettled
• 26:31
  Speaker 14: and resettled to succeed in life and to contribute back
• 26:35
  Speaker 14: to Australia. So that's a very important part and pathway
• 26:39
  Speaker 14: for a settlement. I believe that often we don't talk
• 26:42
  Speaker 14: about and we don't explore our pathways and ways for
• 26:49
  Speaker 14: migrants and refugees to settle successfully and to contribute back.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: That's why I think it's really important to get your
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: perspective on this because, as you say, not only are
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: you a refugee and immigrant, but you represent an area
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: that's jammed full of immigrants and refugees to this country.
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: So in the old.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: Arguments of a calling for lower immigration rates saying that
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: that's xenophobic, it's clearly not the case. But the issue
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: here is how many people the country can adequately bring
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: in and care for properly and looking after our economy.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: We have a housing crisis now, unemployments ticked up again.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: It only puts pressure on other immigrants who are already
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: here trying to get established. Yet labor promised at the
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: election they were going to bring immigration down and don't
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: seem to be doing it.
• 27:35
  Speaker 14: Yeah, I seem to just read that to see that
• 27:38
  Speaker 14: a migration could increase, and I think that is on
• 27:42
  Speaker 14: the shoulders of our governments, both state and feral, to
• 27:46
  Speaker 14: ensure that how the increase in migration doesn't really impact
• 27:51
  Speaker 14: on obviously availability of housing, availability of jobs, and in
• 27:58
  Speaker 14: areas like Southwest Sydney and Fouler where schools are really
• 28:04
  Speaker 14: bursting at the seams with population growth and resources for
• 28:10
  Speaker 14: schools to really cater to provide a great learning environment
• 28:14
  Speaker 14: for our young people. I mean, I've had meetings with
• 28:16
  Speaker 14: P and C's here this morning in the last few
• 28:19
  Speaker 14: weeks reaching out to me talking about the amountables that
• 28:24
  Speaker 14: are still across many of our schools here in Southwest Sydney.
• 28:27
  Speaker 14: So how do students learn? How can they learn in
• 28:30
  Speaker 14: that environment? And if they don't learn, how will they
• 28:33
  Speaker 14: be part of the workforce? And as you know, AI
• 28:37
  Speaker 14: technology is playing an important part, and how do we
• 28:40
  Speaker 14: prepare the young people to succeed in the future. If
• 28:43
  Speaker 14: governments of the day do not invest in the infrastructure
• 28:47
  Speaker 14: and if all they need is the numbers and the
• 28:50
  Speaker 14: population growth, we need to really consider the whole holistic
• 28:55
  Speaker 14: picture of population growth, not just bringing people without provide
• 29:00
  Speaker 14: guiding them with opportunities to be productive, be part of
• 29:06
  Speaker 14: our society and doesn't create tension that sometimes you know,
• 29:11
  Speaker 14: migration can cause a lot of problems with increase in unemployment.
• 29:15
  Speaker 14: They'll be laying a blame and pointing fingers at new migrants.
• 29:19
  Speaker 14: That will be a problem that we will experience and
• 29:22
  Speaker 14: we have experienced in the past.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Just to quickly die if you don't mind, will cost
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: of living figure prominently?
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: And you're a gender in Parliament next week?
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: And there's been some relief in interest rates, but in
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: other areas very little.
• 29:34
  Speaker 14: Do you think there's been some relief? I think there
• 29:36
  Speaker 14: has been and there's been no movement there in interest rates,
• 29:40
  Speaker 14: which means that people are still struggling. I have visited
• 29:44
  Speaker 14: businesses who are still experiencing the double increase trip or
• 29:48
  Speaker 14: increase in energy bills in the supply chain. So I
• 29:52
  Speaker 14: think the cost of living factor is still very very
• 29:55
  Speaker 14: much front and center of the lives and the moms
• 29:58
  Speaker 14: and dads here in western and southwest Sydney.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us, Die, I appreciate it dially.
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: They're the member Independent member for Fowler, joining us live
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: from her electorate. I want to go now to the
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Shadow Education Minister Jonathan Dunningham, who joins us live from Tasmania.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: Good to talk to you, Jonathan.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Before I get to an issue in your portfolio, just
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: give us a quick take.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: On the Tasmanian election.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Obviously I hoping for the government to be returned. What
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: are you expecting to unfold on Saturday night?
• 30:27
  Speaker 16: Yeah, Well, sadly it's the election no one wanted to have,
• 30:30
  Speaker 16: Chris and here we are in the depths of winter
• 30:32
  Speaker 16: with candidates trudging in the wet and muddy streets. But
• 30:36
  Speaker 16: I think this election that Dean Winter, the Labor leader forced,
• 30:40
  Speaker 16: is going to result in a fairly similar makeup Parliament.
• 30:43
  Speaker 16: You have the largest number of members in any one
• 30:46
  Speaker 16: party going to the Libs, followed by Labor, the Greens
• 30:49
  Speaker 16: and then a smattering of cross benches. So why did
• 30:52
  Speaker 16: we have this election? I think it was a rush
• 30:54
  Speaker 16: of blood and a vanity exercised by the Labor leader.
• 30:58
  Speaker 16: What it probably does mean though, is with a different
• 31:01
  Speaker 16: cohort of cross benches you'll have Peter George, the anti
• 31:04
  Speaker 16: salmon candidate, and a couple of others who are a
• 31:06
  Speaker 16: bit anti business, anti investment who'll be calling the shots
• 31:10
  Speaker 16: in a hung parliament if the polls are to be believed.
• 31:12
  Speaker 16: But the big question for Labor, you know, the ones
• 31:15
  Speaker 16: who called this election, is if Dean Winter, who goes
• 31:18
  Speaker 16: into this election with ten seats, doesn't improve his position
• 31:22
  Speaker 16: and takes a haircut on his primary vote, how can
• 31:24
  Speaker 16: he stay on as leader? Having forced Tasmanians to an
• 31:26
  Speaker 16: election they rejected him in. So we'll see what happens
• 31:29
  Speaker 16: on Saturday. But how can they justin.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: For a result and how could they justifiably try to
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: form government under those circumstances as well? I know you're
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: on the panel here with Sky News on Saturday night, Jonathan,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: so we'll look forward to your insights that night and
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: we'll repay you with lavish sky News catering and buffets,
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: no doubt. Let's get back for the other issue I
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: wanted to get from you talk to you about in
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: the education portfolio is obviously, Jillian Siegel did this report
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: to the government on anti Semitism, and a lot of
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: the recommendations refer to the way we should tackle anti
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: semitism in university campuses, in educational institutions. Yet we've got
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: this response from the Education Minister, Jason Clair.
• 32:12
  Speaker 17: I don't intend to look at this report in isolation
• 32:15
  Speaker 17: that next month the government will receive a report from
• 32:18
  Speaker 17: the Special Envoy in combating Islamophobia, and so we wait
• 32:23
  Speaker 17: to see what his recommendations will be. I think that's
• 32:26
  Speaker 17: the right thing to do. But it's not just anti semitism,
• 32:30
  Speaker 17: and it's not just Islamophobia. Ask Indigenous kids at university
• 32:34
  Speaker 17: today and they say, well, don't forget me.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, this sort of equivalence is just infuriating.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: Anti Semitism is a live problem, a rampant problem in
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: this country, has been for over a year and a half.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: Now, what's the excuse for delaying it?
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: He's got to tackle that rather than this false equivalence
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: with islamophobia.
• 32:56
  Speaker 16: And Chris it is a false equivalence. I mean, I
• 32:58
  Speaker 16: sadly think they're politics at play here. We don't want
• 33:02
  Speaker 16: to pander to one group and offend the other, which
• 33:04
  Speaker 16: is why we're going to wait. But he sort of
• 33:06
  Speaker 16: undercuts his own argument there by saying, well, what about
• 33:10
  Speaker 16: the Aboriginal kids. So therefore, when we get this report
• 33:13
  Speaker 16: on Islamophobia, are we going to wait until there's a
• 33:16
  Speaker 16: report on Indigenous kids in education? And we should wait
• 33:19
  Speaker 16: until that's been considered by government to act. There is
• 33:22
  Speaker 16: no reason to delay on Jillian Sigull's report. It's an
• 33:26
  Speaker 16: excellent report. Along with the fifteen point plan from the
• 33:29
  Speaker 16: Executive Council of Australian Jury.
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: We just need to act.
• 33:33
  Speaker 16: There isn't a week that goes by where we don't
• 33:35
  Speaker 16: see another instance of appalling anti Semitic behavior in our country,
• 33:41
  Speaker 16: and it does need to be stamped out in universities,
• 33:44
  Speaker 16: in our streets, and there is absolutely no way you
• 33:47
  Speaker 16: can draw a link between two unrelated issues. Act on
• 33:51
  Speaker 16: this report now, put in place to the plan, and
• 33:54
  Speaker 16: then when you get the islamophobic report, act on that
• 33:57
  Speaker 16: as well, if there are recommendations that that need to
• 34:00
  Speaker 16: be adhered.
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: To, absolutely, thanks for joining joining us, Jonathan, and good
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: luck Saturday night.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: Jonathan Dunningham. There the Shadow Education minist alive from Hobart.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: Now just on that, of course, we all oppose is
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: Lamophobia as well, and it should be stamped out wherever
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: it is. But simply the evidence is we have a
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: virulent problem with Andy Semitism. Islamophobia is just not a
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: problem to the same extent in this country, and we've
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: got to tackle the Andy semeterm is you.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: Now with all the recommendations on hand, better get to
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: a break.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: After the break, will cross live to London. We'll catch
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: up with the man who was Australia's longest serving Foreign Minister,
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: Alexander Downer. He'll go give us his analysis of the
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: Prime Minister's China trip plus some other trouble spots around
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: the world.
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: Let's get back to.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: The Prime Minister's six day trip to China and head
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: to London and catch up with a former foreign minister,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Alexander Downer. Alexander, good to talk to you as ever,
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: very keen to get your insights on this is obviously
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: someone who's traveled on diplomatic missions to China many times
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: and engaged with Chinese diplomats elsewhere around the world.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: Of course, we've got.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: These two huge issues where China has been unfair to
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: Australia in recent times, a number of incidents of military intimidation,
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: and crucially the trade sanctions leveled against us in recent years. Obviously,
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: Anthony Albanez he wouldn't want to undercut his own mission.
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: But to what extent should he have stood up to.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: China, either privately or publicly on those issues on this trip.
• 35:34
  Speaker 18: Well, we don't know the details of the private conversations
• 35:37
  Speaker 18: he had with both Hitching Ping and also the Chinese
• 35:42
  Speaker 18: premier and other officials, but it will have been important
• 35:49
  Speaker 18: that he makes the geopolitical arguments first and foremost to China.
• 35:53
  Speaker 18: As Sure, it's one thing to talk about trade issues
• 35:57
  Speaker 18: and restrictions on trade and liberal liberalizing trade.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: In other areas.
• 36:04
  Speaker 18: It's one thing to talk about that, but the really
• 36:07
  Speaker 18: important issue with China is geopolitics and the need for
• 36:12
  Speaker 18: China to play a much more responsible, rules based role
• 36:17
  Speaker 18: in the world. Helping to end the war in Ukraine
• 36:21
  Speaker 18: instead of supporting the Russian's illegal invasion of Ukraine helping
• 36:26
  Speaker 18: to bring peace to the Middle East rather than supporting
• 36:30
  Speaker 18: the Iranians and giving an absolute guarantee that the South
• 36:35
  Speaker 18: China Sea will remain open and free to all nations
• 36:41
  Speaker 18: and there won't be an attack on a military attack
• 36:43
  Speaker 18: on Taiwan. These issues are critically important and they're important
• 36:49
  Speaker 18: to Australia. And my worry is the optics of Prime
• 36:55
  Speaker 18: Minister going to China for five or six days yet
• 36:59
  Speaker 18: never having met the President of the United States. The
• 37:05
  Speaker 18: optics of that are quite poor.
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: I'm afraid there's.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: No evidence in anything the Prime Minister has said though,
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: that he's raised these geopolitical issues, or that he's even
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: stood up for the role of the US in the region.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: What's your reading of what we've seen publicly?
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: He's talked a lot about what was raised and what
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: wasn't raised in the meetings, and there's just no evidence
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: of those sorts of level discussions.
• 37:31
  Speaker 18: Well, it will be an embarrassment for Australia if he
• 37:36
  Speaker 18: hasn't raised those issues. If Australia is a country that's
• 37:41
  Speaker 18: played itself out of geopolitics and has become inward looking
• 37:46
  Speaker 18: and isolationist and selfish, that isn't the role Australia has
• 37:51
  Speaker 18: played in the world. Australia has always been a great
• 37:54
  Speaker 18: champion of liberal democracy and the alliances which hold the
• 37:59
  Speaker 18: set hold the security of liberal democracies in their hands,
• 38:04
  Speaker 18: led by the United States. I mean, we always when
• 38:08
  Speaker 18: we were in government or always made that point to
• 38:11
  Speaker 18: the Chinese. But there is the Prime Minister talking trade.
• 38:16
  Speaker 18: That's fair enough. A couple of human rights issues that
• 38:20
  Speaker 18: I gather he raised, that's fair enough, there's nothing wrong
• 38:23
  Speaker 18: with that. But not talking geopolitics and not ever having
• 38:30
  Speaker 18: met the President of the United States. It plays Australia
• 38:34
  Speaker 18: completely out of the geopolitical equation.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: Yet if you want peace in the.
• 38:40
  Speaker 18: Indo Pacific region, you need a strong US led alliance
• 38:45
  Speaker 18: in the Indo Pacific region and as well as elsewhere
• 38:48
  Speaker 18: in the world in order to balance the growing power
• 38:52
  Speaker 18: of China. But you know, President Trump is an elected president.
• 38:57
  Speaker 18: President shi Jingping never had to worryorry about an election
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  Speaker 18: and doesn't have to worry about the next election, so
• 39:05
  Speaker 18: we're neutral. Apparently between those two. That's terribly disappointing, extraordinary.
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  Speaker 3: I just got to pick your brains very quickly on
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: the latest developments in the Middle East with Israeli strikes
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: on the military headquarters in Syria, of course, so they're
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: people lining up around the world to criticize Israel as ever,
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: But isn't this about trying to protect the Arab Drews
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  Speaker 3: minorities in Syria.
• 39:31
  Speaker 18: Why don't people criticize the Syrian military and the Syrian
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  Speaker 18: president for killing Drews.
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: There are a lot of.
• 39:40
  Speaker 18: Drews in Israel. There are about one hundred and fifty
• 39:43
  Speaker 18: thousand Israeli Drews, and many of them are in the
• 39:47
  Speaker 18: Israeli Defense Force. By the way, they're completely integrated, not Jewish,
• 39:53
  Speaker 18: but they're completely integrated into Israeli society. There are about
• 39:58
  Speaker 18: seven hundred thousand Drews in Syria and a lot of
• 40:02
  Speaker 18: those Drews live along the border areas with Lebanon and Israel,
• 40:08
  Speaker 18: so you know there's a sensitivity there as well. So
• 40:11
  Speaker 18: the Israelis are stopping the Syrian military from massacring the
• 40:18
  Speaker 18: Drews in Syria, and to criticize the Israelis for doing that,
• 40:24
  Speaker 18: that pretty much boils down to antisemitism, I'd have to say, truly,
• 40:29
  Speaker 18: the lives of the Drews don't matter. The main thing
• 40:33
  Speaker 18: is to criticize the Jews.
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: Incredible. Thanks for joining us, Alexander. I appreciate it. I
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: was in one of those.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: Drews villages up in the Golden Heights just a number
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: of weeks ago, and that's where all this action is happening.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: It's about protecting lives stopping genocide rather than the opposite.
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: Got to go to a break.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: On the other side, the National Cabinet gets to sit again.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be joined by Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: We'll discuss the Trumpster and Coca.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: Cola, among other things.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: Okay, everybody else is stuffing up the country in the world,
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: so what don't the three of us sort it out.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be joined by Tim Blair from the
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Daily Telegraph. He joins us from the Wimmera in Victoria,
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: as usually, Mark Nicholson from step Mate's Studios, live from
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: the city of Melbourne.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: Great to catch up with you again, gentlemen.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: Very eager to get your thoughts on the Albo does
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: China six days of it wandering around the Great Wall
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: of China and his rabbit O's hat emulating GoF Whitland.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: What did you make of it? Tim? Well?
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: The Chinese phrase for cringe is jingshong. I have no
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: idea what that came to mind, no idea at all,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: but there it was six days. Really, I mean he
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: dragons out longer than a lot of people's visits to
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: China in a private entertainment capacity. So I think that
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: gives you a bit of an idea of.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: The importance he puts on.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: I'm establishing a bit of a high level contact with
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: folk in China. But at the same time, it's not
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: a good look when you're spending six times in a
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: communist six days in a communist dictatorship, when you haven't
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: spent an hour one minute in the direct presence of.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: The American presidents.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, it's a bit.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: Crucial, absolutely, And I couldn't help pointing out earlier in
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: the week that back when there was a lot of
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: strife in Out of Springs, he spent less than six
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: hours on the ground there.
• 42:26
  Speaker 19: Mark correct, mate, Well he loves holiday, mate, look at him.
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: He's in full terroist mode.
• 42:32
  Speaker 19: And Tim, I'm glad you are, you know, brushing up
• 42:35
  Speaker 19: on your manda in mate, because Albo has just made
• 42:36
  Speaker 19: Australia a new province of China and that's coming. We're
• 42:39
  Speaker 19: going to need your mandarin soon. Used to playing mar
• 42:42
  Speaker 19: jong and doing tai chi in the park, we're not
• 42:44
  Speaker 19: playing cricket. He has his chosen aside here as well.
• 42:46
  Speaker 19: He's one hundred percent peaked aside. He's gone, you know what,
• 42:49
  Speaker 19: I'm not having going to bother working with the US.
• 42:51
  Speaker 19: I'm going to I'm going to go all in on
• 42:53
  Speaker 19: China on our behalf. Thanks a lot, everybody, this is
• 42:56
  Speaker 19: what we're going to do. And they've send you on
• 42:58
  Speaker 19: this six day It looks almost like a humillion to her,
• 43:00
  Speaker 19: to be honest, he's there, he's groveling, his acting weak,
• 43:03
  Speaker 19: he's just it's terrible. And now we have this awful
• 43:07
  Speaker 19: position where you know, he's set Australia up as just
• 43:09
  Speaker 19: this weird subservient entity for China. I don't know if
• 43:13
  Speaker 19: that's really what I wanted. I certainly didn't vote for it,
• 43:16
  Speaker 19: and I don't know if that's really the best move.
• 43:18
  Speaker 19: But he seemed adamant to be doing it, and he's
• 43:22
  Speaker 19: he seems to be loving it.
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: To be honest, it's a shocker. And how easy was
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: he to win?
• 43:26
  Speaker 18: Over?
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: All they had to do was get some cover band
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: from Guangzhou to come up to Beijing.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: Have a look at how Albo reacted to that.
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: The band there in the Great Hall played a different
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: version of Paul Kelly's to Her Door of Midnight Earl's
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: Power and the Passion of a range of songs as well.
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: That obviously took them a long period of time, and
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: those gestures matter.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: Apparently they urns him no wonder Midnight Earl's popular in Beijing.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: I'd love to hear those songs, by the way, that
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: would be maybe something else? Would it kill the man
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: to look as though he's not at a central coast
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: auction really, At the same time he's trying to say
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: that this is the most important top level discussion ever,
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: and then he looks like he's about to slap down
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: another couple of mill on some joint near the coast.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: So he's hard work sometimes, isn't he?
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: But there is a serious point again, Mark makes clear
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: this is signing us up to be a bit of
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: a provincial buddy rather than any kind of cooperative power.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: It's a very different structure that's being arranged right now.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, you have a look at a bit of the
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: power and the passion the song that apparently China did
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: a cover of Elbow. I mean they rail against the US,
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: they rail against corporations and the plundering of Australia by
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: America and Japan. When no one of the communists in
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: China love the MUK.
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: That's it.
• 45:20
  Speaker 19: And look and there's also a very very crucial little
• 45:22
  Speaker 19: little line in there as well, which is what it's
• 45:24
  Speaker 19: better to live on you to die on your feet
• 45:27
  Speaker 19: than to live on your knees. And then but just
• 45:31
  Speaker 19: get back to Whitlam's knees or something like that. It
• 45:33
  Speaker 19: just it sings his tune. It was made for him.
• 45:35
  Speaker 19: They are the kings of propaganda. They've played him like
• 45:38
  Speaker 19: a fiddle.
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: He's loving it.
• 45:40
  Speaker 19: He's seen they're eating dumplings at the banquet.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: He's loving it.
• 45:43
  Speaker 19: He's as happy as Larry.
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: We're all paying for it. Two servings of number seven.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you what our great maker, our great made
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: to Johanna's leak summed it up brilliantly in the odds today.
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: Because he's got Elbow as the perfect panda pet. He's
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: got him as a cute, obedient and easy to train.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, PM used to stand for Prime Minister and
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: now it's just pandaman. He's an expert in panda diplomacy.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: And yeah, he's a he's chumping big time on the bamboo.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Let's just say, let's live it at that.
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: I love the fact though, that you say he's picked
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: a side here. There's two sides to choose, the free
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: democracy of the US or the communist dictatorship of China.
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: He's gone for China.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: He seems to find it easier to pick a side
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: in geopolitics that he does in footy because he's wandering
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: around in a hawthorn shirt in China.
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: Yet previously we've seen him in a.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Collingwood scarf and a Swan scarf as well, And we
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: all know deep.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: Down anyway, Mark, that he's really a rabbitos man.
• 46:52
  Speaker 19: Yeah, mate, he's everything he wants to be, whenever he
• 46:55
  Speaker 19: wants to be, whenever it suits him. Is whatever he's
• 46:58
  Speaker 19: media people tell him that's what he'll do.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: That's what he is.
• 47:00
  Speaker 19: Is like Ron Burgundy with the teleprompter.
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: Whatever is there, and he will say it, he will
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: do it.
• 47:05
  Speaker 19: He will do whatever you want. He's both sides albe.
• 47:08
  Speaker 19: He loves sitting on the fence. He just doesn't want
• 47:09
  Speaker 19: anyone to be offended. And that's what makes him so weak,
• 47:12
  Speaker 19: that's what actually makes him really inefficient. That's what compares
• 47:14
  Speaker 19: him to someone like Trump, who is just.
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: Willing to go his way.
• 47:17
  Speaker 19: And if you don't like a bad luck, that is
• 47:21
  Speaker 19: why this guy.
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: Just looks He looks terrible.
• 47:23
  Speaker 19: It's just it's so sad.
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: It is pretty sad.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: Let's go to the US president because he's brought into
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: something that I would have thought was way below his
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: pay grade. Today he took to Twitter or x or
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: his own truth media or whatever it was to say
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: that he's been speaking to Coca Cola about using real
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: cane sugar in coke in the US and they've agreed
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: to do that instead of using corn syrup as they
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: have done in the US, They're going to use cane
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: sugar like they do apparently here in Australia and in Mexico.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: And the bizarre thing is him apparently apparently Trump drinks
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: diet coke.
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: Anyway, so he's not going to drink this sugary stuff.
• 48:01
  Speaker 7: It is.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: It is a funny little thing though in the in
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: the US, there is that there has been for some decades,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: a real you know, put the real sugar back in
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: Coca Cola movement, and a lot of places along the
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: border you'll see, you know, shops that have signs ads saying,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: you know, we sell Mexican colar. You know it's got
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: legit cage. I couldn't really tell the difference between the two,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: but you know, people who are more more advanced in
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: the culinary sense of me, they can pick it a
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: mile away.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: But yeah, you're right.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Trump doesn't actually go for the stuff because diet Cola
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: has got an artificial SWEETENERUD.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: So there's two sorts of coke coming across that Mexican border.
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: Fascinating, fascinating us.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: The thing is, before we get too excited about all
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: that sugar in the Coca Cola mark, the usual crowd
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: here in Australia still pushing for a sugar tax. They
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: want us order to pay more tax that will stop
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: us getting fat.
• 49:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's what you do. You
• 49:03
  Speaker 4: know what I mean.
• 49:03
  Speaker 19: You always you've got to tax things and ban things.
• 49:06
  Speaker 19: That's the only way to solve the problems in the world.
• 49:08
  Speaker 19: They are the only two ways. Just to be nanny
• 49:10
  Speaker 19: state everything. Nanny state your way out of it.
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: Like I was.
• 49:13
  Speaker 19: I was morbidly obese ten years ago.
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: Huge.
• 49:15
  Speaker 19: I was sixty kilos heavier than I am now, and
• 49:18
  Speaker 19: sugar was a huge part of it.
• 49:19
  Speaker 8: I loved it.
• 49:20
  Speaker 19: I had Mexican coke, I had all the coats, I
• 49:22
  Speaker 19: had all the cane sugar in the world. But if
• 49:25
  Speaker 19: you taxed me, all you would have done is made
• 49:27
  Speaker 19: me poorer, not healthier.
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: So that's the difference. You've got to bring people up.
• 49:31
  Speaker 19: You've got to give people some responsibility and self agency
• 49:34
  Speaker 19: to get them out of there. You can't just keep
• 49:36
  Speaker 19: taxing and banning people out of these out of these problems.
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: Come on, that's a stunning revelation. Mark.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: We needed before and after photos of that one. But
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: good on you for shedding sixty kilos.
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: That's amazing. Thanks for joining us, guys, really appreciate it.
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: Tim Blair and Mark Nicholson.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: Apparently you've got some time to get some of your
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: feedback on what we talked about last night, which of
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: course was Anthony Abbertezi's trip to China, and one viewer
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: says did he sell Australia to the devil, while Phillip
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: says perhaps he could get a job as a tea
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: boy for the CCP, the Communist Party of China, because
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: he isn't a leader for Australia's.
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: Thanks so much for joining us for this busy week.
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: We've been busier here. I think the albow has been
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: in China. I'll see you next week. He's Peter Credle