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Chuck & Buck 5-26 Hour 3: Piggyback 2.0, Baseball Brunch and the Knicks are cooking. · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: Hey, Happy Tuesday to you all. I hope you had
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Speaker 1: a great Memorial Day weekend out there. It is Chuck
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Speaker 1: and Ashley with you as we roll into the eight
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Speaker 1: o'clock hour. Good to have you with us. I like
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Speaker 1: the rainy, rainy element from yesterday and today. I really
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Speaker 1: like it. Liked all the sunshine over that. I love.
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Speaker 2: That's what we need though. That's why this place is
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Speaker 2: so perfect. Right, you get like three four days of
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Speaker 2: sun and then you get a good rain. Everything feels cool,
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Speaker 2: exactly that exact thing. Last that's my frustration when we
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Speaker 2: get into the long stretches of heat. I'm like, no,
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Speaker 2: I just want one day of rain. That's all I want,
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Speaker 2: even if it's overnight, clean everything out. I want to
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Speaker 2: wake up and smell the rain.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And then it was great Pacific Northwest late spring weekend.
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Speaker 2: It was perfect, perfect, and on a holiday weekend too.
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Speaker 2: I mean we really did luck out.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fantastic. I've really enjoyed the weather as of late.
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Speaker 1: Really enjoy you. Washington. Keep it up.
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Speaker 2: You're doing a great job.
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Speaker 1: Good work. Slap on the ass, Washington, Yep, tustle of
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Speaker 1: the hair. Good game, good job right here, good game.
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Speaker 1: By you too.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, way to be out mountain right.
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Speaker 1: Well, good morning to you. It's our eight o'clock hour
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Speaker 1: here on this Tuesday, and of course we've had a
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Speaker 1: major topic again. Piggyback two took place last night and
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Speaker 1: people are melting down despite the wonderful results of it
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Speaker 1: from yesterday, which we'll get into in a moment. But
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Speaker 1: I've teased this a couple of times. Time to pay
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Speaker 1: off the teas, as we do in this industry. So
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Speaker 1: the A's have made a move here, and I just
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Speaker 1: saw this a little bit ago. I don't know how
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Speaker 1: it slipped through the cracks as I was doing my
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Speaker 1: research here this morning, but Jeff Passing apparently reported on
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Speaker 1: this hours ago. But the A's are calling up one
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Speaker 1: of their top prospects today. Gauge Jump is his name.
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Speaker 1: That's name, really strange name. He is a pitcher, okay,
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Speaker 1: and as you might expect, he is left handed. So
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Speaker 1: what does this tell you? The Mariners are so non
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Speaker 1: threatening against left handed pitchers? Have you noticed other teams
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Speaker 1: are rearranging their starting rotation, Yeah, to put left handers in.
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Speaker 1: The White Sox did it, and now the A's in
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Speaker 1: the middle of the series are calling up their top prospect.
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Speaker 1: It's not a coincidence. This is not Today's the day
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Speaker 1: that gauge is read. No, this is we're in a
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Speaker 1: division race, and I know it looks kind of like
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Speaker 1: an ugly division race. That's the team to beat. They
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Speaker 1: just scored nine runs against us last night, against our
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Speaker 1: right hander. Why aren't we using their kryptonite and our
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Speaker 1: kryptonite right now is throw a left hander, any left hander. Yep,
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Speaker 1: Gates Jump has not pitched for six days, so he
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Speaker 1: can pitch tonight. And I don't think they'll bump Luis
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Speaker 1: Severino out of the starting rotation, but they might. And
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Speaker 1: they've got Jeffrey Springs going tomorrow. I mean, we have
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Speaker 1: such an issue with hitting left handers right now, and
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Speaker 1: we are so married to Ref Snider and Joe and
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Speaker 1: company right now. Not Joe anymore, but we're so married
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Speaker 1: to Ref Snider and our right handed hitting lineup. Now,
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Speaker 1: we roll it out, We roll it out, and look,
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Speaker 1: I stand. You know, it's fifty five games, so it's
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Speaker 1: still the still got over one hundred games to go.
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Speaker 1: That qualifies as early and Res Sneider might hit his
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Speaker 1: way out of this. History says that he will. Recent
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Speaker 1: history says that he will. But right now, every team
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Speaker 1: that we face knows what to throw at us, yep.
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Speaker 1: And so I don't know if Gage Jump is starting
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Speaker 1: tonight or going to be a quick hook on Severino
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Speaker 1: tonight if we look like we're going to get to him.
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Speaker 1: But they're bringing up a left hander who can throw
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Speaker 1: a lot of innings against us to team with Jeffrey Springs,
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Speaker 1: who will be pitching tomorrow in the series, who's also
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Speaker 1: left handed. So these teams are adjusting what they do.
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Speaker 1: They are rushing guys to the major leagues in order
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Speaker 1: to put left handers against the Mariners in their series.
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Speaker 2: And it's a problem, A big one, A big one,
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Speaker 2: I mean, And honestly, it's pathetic on our because these
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Speaker 2: teams are looking these pitchers are looking like all stars
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Speaker 2: when we play them, and nobody should, none of them
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Speaker 2: should be, and so it just makes us look weak,
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Speaker 2: It makes us look inept, and we are a better
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Speaker 2: team than that, but we are not showing it.
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Speaker 1: And I think the guys that aren't hitting, I mean, again,
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Speaker 1: the history says, recent history that they will, but they're not.
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Speaker 1: And even our guys that are right handed can't hit
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Speaker 1: lefties apparently, And so what I meant by this move
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Speaker 1: should be the last indication that we need. Like, I know,
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Speaker 1: we're ways away from the trading deadline, but Memorial Day
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Speaker 1: weekend is usually when we gauge what are you? That's
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Speaker 1: the first time that we can officially say we've got
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Speaker 1: enough of a sample size. Now what are you? Are
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Speaker 1: you a contender or are you not? We have not
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Speaker 1: played like a contender on paper. I believe we are.
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Speaker 1: Most listening believe that we are. And yet because the
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Speaker 1: American League has been so wonky this year, even the
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Speaker 1: standing say that we are a contender, doesn't matter that
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Speaker 1: the record is three games under five hundred, half a
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Speaker 1: game out of the wild card game and a half
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Speaker 1: out of the Division league even with that bad record,
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Speaker 1: even with that bad baseball, So that makes us a contender.
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Speaker 1: So we are a contender. And I know the trading
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Speaker 1: deadline is a little bit of ways away, but you
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Speaker 1: know me, I never mind in early trade. And we
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Speaker 1: need a right handed everyday player, whether that's at third base,
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Speaker 1: right field, or DH. We need that guy before the
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Speaker 1: trading deadline because we have gone fifty five games failing
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Speaker 1: at hitting left handed pitching yes, we have and we're
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Speaker 1: not going.
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Speaker 2: To be It's unacceptable.
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Speaker 1: And you, I mean, I do think that it will
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Speaker 1: get better. I think that it's going to improve. It
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Speaker 1: has to improve, but how much better? I mean, it's
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Speaker 1: got to get a lot better before teams late in
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Speaker 1: the season do change things, alter things around. Everybody we're
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Speaker 1: playing is altering their pitching staff so that they can
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Speaker 1: throw left handers at us. So until we can prove it,
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Speaker 1: you know, we're going to be facing this every damn series.
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Speaker 1: We're going to face teams calling up their best left
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Speaker 1: handed prospect to face us, because the word's out.
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Speaker 2: And if you are, you know, in this day and age,
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Speaker 2: with an athlete looking for a chip on their shoulder,
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Speaker 2: there's your chip. They're laughing at you, basically saying, well,
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Speaker 2: they can't hit lefties, so anyone will do well. I
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Speaker 2: get the bartender, you know, at the local asteca, to
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Speaker 2: come over and throw some pitches because he's a lefty.
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Speaker 1: Well, and another thing, do not put ref Sneider clean
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Speaker 1: up again? I don't. I don't even get that. No, Like,
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Speaker 1: you realize that he's having trouble mentally right right, so,
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Speaker 1: and you you think you're giving up a boost of confidence.
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Speaker 1: You're not putting him lead off or fourth. No, he
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Speaker 1: needs to hit ninth so he doesn't feel like, oh
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Speaker 1: my gosh, we're hitting fours. I've got to come through. Now,
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Speaker 1: why are you doing that? No, if you need him
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Speaker 1: in the lineup because you have faith. We haven't had
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Speaker 1: a long enough sample size. Okay, okay, but we're not
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Speaker 1: putting him lead off or fourth, not until he proves
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Speaker 1: he can hit a little bit.
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Speaker 2: So end the story, right, Good talk, Dan, Yeah, thanks
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Speaker 2: for listening.
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Speaker 1: Good talk, Jerry, don't screw up again.
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Speaker 2: Glad we could be a part of this plan.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the piggyback last night it
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Speaker 1: was on display again. Okay, let's recap what happened in
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Speaker 1: Piggyback one. Okay, we all know we talked about it
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Speaker 1: for weeks before anything was attempted. The Mariners are going
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Speaker 1: to have, at some point when Brian Miller is healthy,
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Speaker 1: too many starters for too fewer rotation spots. We're gonna
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Speaker 1: have six guys for five spots. Weeks we discussed. There's
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Speaker 1: not an easy solution to this. It's a good problem
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Speaker 1: to have. I'd much rather have too many starting pitchers
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Speaker 1: than not enough. Right, we can all agree on that, yep,
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Speaker 1: But we talk about weeks. There's not an easy solution
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Speaker 1: for this. I mean, every different expert we brought on
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Speaker 1: the airwaves said something different. Bill Krueger just wanted to
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Speaker 1: put Bryce Miller in the bullpen. I think that would
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Speaker 1: have been a mistake, Bill, because Bryce Miller is one
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Speaker 1: of our three best pitchers. Ryan Healy wanted us to
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Speaker 1: go six man rotation. Maybe that's would have avoided some
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Speaker 1: of this, some of this consternation that we're dealing with
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Speaker 1: right now, but that would have required getting everyone out
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Speaker 1: of their rhythm. And even though Pete Woodworth said you
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Speaker 1: don't have to worry about that if we went six
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Speaker 1: man rotation. These guys are professionals. They will pitch when
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Speaker 1: they're handed the ball, and they will work their ass
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Speaker 1: off for their teammates. Oh but they can throw a
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Speaker 1: fit when they're taken out of a game. Because that's
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Speaker 1: what's happened to piggybacks in a row. Yep, that the
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Speaker 1: starting pitcher has. I don't think Bryce threw a fit,
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Speaker 1: but he was clearly angry in Game number one because
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Speaker 1: still threw a fit last night, So I'm not so
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Speaker 1: sure I can buy that Pete, and I love Pete,
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Speaker 1: you know I love Pete. I'm not sure that I
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Speaker 1: can buy that that they're good no matter what, because
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Speaker 1: they're clearly not good no matter what.
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Speaker 2: They're not good in this situation. They're not good with
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Speaker 2: being pulled.
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Speaker 3: No.
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Speaker 1: And so a six man rotation that satisfies one thing.
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Speaker 1: Everybody gets to start, which is what they want to do.
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Speaker 1: But that means you, guys, got to be more effective.
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Speaker 1: You've got to be more efficient than what you've been.
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Speaker 1: We've had too many guys that are barely getting through
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Speaker 1: the fifth Yeah, and if you're gonna be down a reliever,
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Speaker 1: not only do you have to get through the six
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Speaker 1: we probably need you to get through seven because now
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Speaker 1: you've got an extra day rest in between. So we
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Speaker 1: need you to be better than what you've been if
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Speaker 1: we're going to go to a six man rotation. And
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Speaker 1: that is also keeping some of our best guys from
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Speaker 1: being able to go every fifth day, which is another
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Speaker 1: thing we want to avoid to do. So we're gonna
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Speaker 1: need you to be better. And the truth of the
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Speaker 1: matter is, since the piggyback came into our lives, guess
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Speaker 1: who's been better Luis Castile yep, the only problem in
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Speaker 1: the entire group. Everybody else has been fine. Logan's been
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Speaker 1: better before in the past, and George has had a
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Speaker 1: couple of rough outings here as of late, and Woo's
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Speaker 1: not been as good as he was a year ago.
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Speaker 2: But they've been serviceable. They've been better than serviceable.
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Speaker 1: Better than serviceable. We've had very good pitching, maybe not great,
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Speaker 1: but we've had very good starting pitching and relief pitching
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Speaker 1: so far this season.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we've just been spoiled in the past, and so.
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Speaker 1: The only one that wasn't coming through was Luis Castile.
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Speaker 4: Yep.
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Speaker 1: But what has happened and there's two piggyback performances. I
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Speaker 1: don't know if it's the increased competition. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if it's him thinking he's singing for his supper or
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Speaker 1: you know, fighting for his rotation spot. But he's been sharper,
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Speaker 1: Sure has using him in shorter spurts, him throwing harder,
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Speaker 1: letting it all rip. He's been better the last two starts,
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Speaker 1: and Bryce has been excellent in both of these two
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Speaker 1: piggyback performances. So for everybody that went too far and
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Speaker 1: saying what a disaster the piggyback was the first time around.
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Speaker 1: I think you don't want a backpedal. You've already gone
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Speaker 1: too far with your opinion about the piggyback, and then
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Speaker 1: when it does work successfully last night you can't say
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Speaker 1: anything good about it. You got to trash it because
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Speaker 1: Luis Castillo's throwing things around in the dugout.
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Speaker 2: Yeah you cannot like it's right, Yeah you cannot like it,
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Speaker 2: but you have to recognize the merits of what has
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Speaker 2: Last night.
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't think the first time was all that
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Speaker 1: much of a disaster. The way they handled the ninth
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Speaker 1: it ended disastrously, But until that time we got Bryce
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Speaker 1: Miller's best performance of the year and two and a
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Speaker 1: third innings of shutout ball from Luis Castillo. And he
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Speaker 1: shouldn't have been pitching the ninth. We can all agree
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Speaker 1: on that. Last night we got exactly how they dialed
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Speaker 1: it up. Four out of one guy, five out of
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Speaker 1: the other, bullpen rested most of the game working with
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Speaker 1: a shutout. Probably would have had a shutout if Bryce
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Speaker 1: didn't have a seven run lead that he was working
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Speaker 1: with and didn't have to worry about being as fine.
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Speaker 1: You certainly don't want to walk guys in that situation.
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Speaker 1: You just pitched differently. And so we've had Miller and Castillo.
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Speaker 1: Even though obviously neither guy likes this, the truth of
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Speaker 1: the matter is they pitched seventeen innings and have allowed
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Speaker 1: four runs. That is a two point one to two era.
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Speaker 1: That's better than either of them. We're pitching without the piggyback.
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Speaker 5: So that would I'd consider that good.
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Speaker 1: It's not bad, right, you know. And so you got
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Speaker 1: through a night with just the two of them, you
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Speaker 1: won easily, and you rested the bullpen for an entire day,
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Speaker 1: And that is part of this equation. What if we
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Speaker 1: could take since we have one too many starters, we
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Speaker 1: can split the workload cover nine innings. What an advantage
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Speaker 1: that might give us if we could give our bullpen
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Speaker 1: a night off every other turn through every turn through
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Speaker 1: the rotation. That's part of the strategy that is being
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Speaker 1: implemented right now. Okay. And so I mean for people
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Speaker 1: to be carrying on, what a disaster and I never
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Speaker 1: want to see it again. And everything else again, Ashley
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Speaker 1: and I don't like it. I think the better solution
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Speaker 1: would have been to go to Luis Castillo and said,
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. We got to go with our best five
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Speaker 1: guys and you just haven't been one of them. This year.
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Speaker 1: We're going to put you in the bullpen, and we
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Speaker 1: think you could be dynamite in that role, and we'll
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Speaker 1: start as long relief, but we'll eventually work you into
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Speaker 1: short relief, maybe into some really high leverage situations. Hell,
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Speaker 1: we think you might be able to be John Smoltz
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Speaker 1: at the end of his career and be an All
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Speaker 1: Star closer next season. Potentially. Sure, that's the direction that
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Speaker 1: we're going to head. And if we have an injury
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Speaker 1: and you're not too far removed from pitching length with length,
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Speaker 1: we'll slide you back into the starting rotation first thing.
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Speaker 1: That's a no brainer for us. So that's what I
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Speaker 1: would have done if I were the Mariners, but they
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Speaker 1: decided to go with this piggyback idea. It's an experiment.
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Speaker 1: The first experiment went well and then it blew up
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Speaker 1: at the end, so we make adjustments. We had make
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Speaker 1: adjustments to the formula, to the hypothesis, to the equation
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Speaker 1: so that the next time we run it it goes smoother. Well,
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Speaker 1: it certainly went smoother. Now that was buoyed by the
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Speaker 1: fact that you'd scored six runs in the third inning
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Speaker 1: and it made it easy. But that was ideal four
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Speaker 1: and five. The only mess, misstep and the entire thing
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Speaker 1: was Luis Castillo didn't get his win because he thought
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Speaker 1: he should have at least been able to pitch the fifth.
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Speaker 1: That would have been the only thing I would have
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Speaker 1: done differently last night than what the Mariners did, and
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Speaker 1: it was successful. So I don't know everybody wants to
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Speaker 1: heck like this thing has been a disaster. Two point
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Speaker 1: one two era out of the two guys that seemed
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Speaker 1: to be unhappy about it, and we won one game
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Speaker 1: and saved our entire bullpen last night for the rest
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Speaker 1: of the week, and should have won the other game
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Speaker 1: had we just fought ahead to hey one run games.
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Speaker 1: We changed the rules on the piggyback plan one run game.
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Speaker 1: We need to count on our closer who's used to
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Speaker 1: closing out one run games and not giving him traffic
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Speaker 1: to inherit. And then he's got to work out of
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Speaker 1: a jam when he typically works into a jam before
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Speaker 1: he works out on a.
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Speaker 2: Jam right himself, and none jam right.
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Speaker 1: If he jams himself, he'll unjam himself, but he might
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Speaker 1: not be able to unjam your.
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Speaker 2: Jam right, Okay, yeah, I can't get too jammy.
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Speaker 1: So I don't know. I mean, it just seems like
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Speaker 1: outrage again last night throughout Mariner World. And I don't
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Speaker 1: know why, because last night is how the piggyback theory works,
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Speaker 1: and it worked last night.
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Speaker 2: It worked exactly how you would plan it out. And yes,
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Speaker 2: the only things that we there's a theme, right you
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Speaker 2: take away the ninth Inning and Piggyback one, there is
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Speaker 2: a theme. Bryce Miller shouldn't have come out as early
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Speaker 2: as he did. Luis Castillo shouldn't have come out as
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Speaker 2: early as he did.
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Speaker 5: That's it. And then yeah, and that's it.
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Speaker 1: And well also Munios I think should have started the night.
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Speaker 2: Right, yes, by saying take out the ninth inning, because
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Speaker 2: that's where all the problems happening get Piggyback one, but
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Speaker 2: I think, you know, using Ferrara as the bridge in
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Speaker 2: game one worked, right, it worked, And so there's that.
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Speaker 1: Even Munios did not pitch badly. I mean it all
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Speaker 1: kind of worked.
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Speaker 5: Hydro A, yeah, it's the offense.
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Speaker 2: We didn't put up any numbers and then that, yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 5: And then yesterday.
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Speaker 2: You look, I have no problem with Castillo going back
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Speaker 2: out in the fifth. He was playing very well. He's
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Speaker 2: got a nice cushion. If some massive blow up happens, okay,
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Speaker 2: you bring for Errand because he could pitch again today.
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Speaker 2: But is a blow Do we think Castillo was going
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Speaker 2: to go in and give up seven runs in the
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Speaker 2: fifth inning. I do not think he was going to.
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Speaker 2: And so I just think we're being a little too conservative,
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Speaker 2: trying to follow some plan.
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Speaker 5: Agreed, and if we could just adjust that.
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Speaker 2: I get.
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Speaker 5: I don't think this is a permanent thing.
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Speaker 2: I don't want it to be a permanent thing, but
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Speaker 2: I want it to work while we're doing it, and
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Speaker 2: I think it is. I mean, we tried the six
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Speaker 2: man rotation one time through clearly they did not like that,
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Speaker 2: or they would have tried it again, right, and then
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Speaker 2: they went to this. They saw some of the merits
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Speaker 2: from Game one, minus the ninth inning and the offense.
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Speaker 2: They go to Game two and it worked. Okay, So
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Speaker 2: let's just take it for what it is. Stop trying
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Speaker 2: to will it away because you don't like it.
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Speaker 5: It's not permanent.
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Speaker 2: Just be patient.
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Speaker 1: Oh it's not certainly not been disastrous and actually it
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Speaker 1: might have been for the most part effective. If we
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Speaker 1: can just adjust how we approach certain things, that's it.
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Speaker 1: How not have a set idea of how long the
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Speaker 1: starter should go one and two? If it's a tight game,
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Speaker 1: let's count on the guys that deal with that tight game.
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Speaker 5: Yes, late, come, let them do their job.
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Speaker 1: That's it. Otherwise it's worked well. Both pitchers have pitched
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Speaker 1: really well. Why they're angry, I don't know. I don't
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Speaker 1: know if they've been communicated with well enough. They both
19:46
Speaker 1: seem to be caught off guard by being taken out
19:49
Speaker 1: of the game.
19:50
Speaker 5: How And I understand it's uncomfortable.
19:52
Speaker 1: We knew what you were going to do. How did
19:54
Speaker 1: Bryce and Luise not know what you were going to do?
19:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they thought if I'm pitching, well, they'll
19:59
Speaker 2: keep me in longer. And it is uncomfortable. I understand
20:01
Speaker 2: it's uncomfortable. It's uncomfortable for us to watch. Right, It's
20:04
Speaker 2: not a comfortable thing. But just take it for what
20:06
Speaker 2: it is in this moment and let the process play out.
20:11
Speaker 1: Well, we are two of the exceptions. Most people just
20:14
Speaker 1: cannot take it. They can't handle it. Even the a's
20:18
Speaker 1: color analyst last night, Dallas Braden was up at arms
20:23
Speaker 1: about why the Mariners are piggybacking but.
20:27
Speaker 3: Bryce Miller continuing to warm up, and whether or not
20:30
Speaker 3: he is warming up knowing he's coming into the game or.
20:36
Speaker 1: Warming up knowing, hey, I'm going to have some time.
20:38
Speaker 3: But you see him with every pitch start to look
20:40
Speaker 3: in and he's tracking the advat and the fact that
20:49
Speaker 3: Frere has sat down completely. They tell you I'm not
20:53
Speaker 3: sure I and yeah, and you just see Dan Wilson
20:56
Speaker 3: say I understand. Yeah that right there, I'm gonna tell
20:58
Speaker 3: you right now is a conversation where Luis Castile not
21:01
Speaker 3: happy at all about the.
21:02
Speaker 2: Decisions, happy about that decision three up, three down with
21:07
Speaker 2: a couple of strikeouts for Jack Perkins.
21:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, well he had seen that. He'd also gone as
21:13
Speaker 1: far Dallas Braden and his commentary saying that this has
21:18
Speaker 1: to be about winning. And I'm like, yes, and that's
21:22
Speaker 1: all it needs to be about. And so if that's
21:25
Speaker 1: the case, then why should we Even if if you're
21:29
Speaker 1: going to make that statement, you're going to make it
21:31
Speaker 1: bold and you're going to criticize the Mariners because they're
21:34
Speaker 1: not making it about winning, then why are we worried
21:38
Speaker 1: about Luis Castillo's feelings. Why does he need a win?
21:43
Speaker 1: Why does he need the win? And this is about winning.
21:46
Speaker 5: This is about team team winning, right, not individual wins.
21:49
Speaker 1: Why does he need a win in a category that
21:51
Speaker 1: really doesn't have much value anymore to most of the
21:55
Speaker 1: baseball world. Why why is it so insulting to be
22:03
Speaker 1: taken out of the game when you know what was
22:06
Speaker 1: going to happen before the game even started. So look, fine,
22:12
Speaker 1: it's about winning, then everybody needs to be on board
22:14
Speaker 1: with that. The Mariners aren't doing this for any other
22:18
Speaker 1: reason than long term success. They don't want Luis Castillo
22:25
Speaker 1: to get short. I think you just go ahead and
22:28
Speaker 1: rip the band aid off of that and make him
22:30
Speaker 1: a reliever, because I think he looks better in short
22:33
Speaker 1: spurts than he does over long hauls. But obviously they're
22:37
Speaker 1: worried about how he's going to handle it based off
22:40
Speaker 1: of what we saw last night. They have every reason
22:42
Speaker 1: to be worried about how he's going to handle it.
22:44
Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, seems like that's a big concern.
22:46
Speaker 1: I think Bryce is one of our three best starting pitchers.
22:49
Speaker 1: He should not be involved in this piggyback thing. That's
22:53
Speaker 1: my personal one.
22:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see that.
22:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, So again, the idea is to keep them both
23:00
Speaker 1: long in case you need one of them to be
23:02
Speaker 1: a starting pitcher down the road. And yeah, you could
23:06
Speaker 1: go to a six man rotation, but nobody seemed to
23:08
Speaker 1: be happy with that either. And now we're worried about
23:12
Speaker 1: Luis Castillo's feelings. Apparently that's the thing from last night.
23:16
Speaker 1: Should have given him the win, And I agree, should
23:18
Speaker 1: have given him the win, right, you know, got to
23:22
Speaker 1: respect your veteran more than that. Should have let him
23:25
Speaker 1: pitch the fifth. Yeah, I'm with you, but I'm not
23:28
Speaker 1: going to defend the tantrum that he threw in the dugout.
23:31
Speaker 1: And I'm not even going to defend Bryce two games
23:35
Speaker 1: in a row pissing in the cheerios after the game
23:39
Speaker 1: is over with, because because it actually did kind of
23:45
Speaker 1: accomplish what you set out to accomplish, with the exception
23:48
Speaker 1: of blowing the ninth inning game. And so if this
23:52
Speaker 1: is about the long term success of this team, then
23:57
Speaker 1: why then are we using as a defense It's not
23:59
Speaker 1: fair to this They deserve better than that.
24:02
Speaker 2: Well, and if we were saying don't do it because
24:04
Speaker 2: it'll hurt their feelings. Everybody else would be up in
24:07
Speaker 2: arms saying, why do we care about their feelings? We
24:09
Speaker 2: need to win to it if it's the best option.
24:12
Speaker 2: So it's it's a lose lose situation. Honestly, it seems
24:15
Speaker 2: like as far as but not getting people angry.
24:18
Speaker 1: But I'm going to go back to the beginning. Did
24:20
Speaker 1: we not have four weeks of conversation about the coming
24:23
Speaker 1: of this day?
24:24
Speaker 4: Did?
24:24
Speaker 1: And this? There's not an easy solution to it, and
24:27
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what they're going to do with it.
24:30
Speaker 1: You know, we can give our opinions on what they
24:32
Speaker 1: think that they should do, and we can say that's
24:35
Speaker 1: not the right decision. I'm saying it's not the right decision.
24:39
Speaker 1: I think that I would have just put Castillo in
24:41
Speaker 1: the bullpen and started his career as a relief pitcher.
24:45
Speaker 1: I think that's what I would have done. That would
24:46
Speaker 1: have been that would have been my solution to all
24:49
Speaker 1: of this. And yet obviously that wasn't going to be
24:53
Speaker 1: easy either, because if he didn't like getting taken out
24:57
Speaker 1: after four shutout innings last night, when he was told
24:59
Speaker 1: what what's going to happen before the game started, How
25:02
Speaker 1: do you think he's going to react to being made
25:03
Speaker 1: a bullpen guy at twenty three million dollars per year
25:06
Speaker 1: for the next year and a half of his career. Yeah,
25:09
Speaker 1: so we knew there was no easy solution to this.
25:12
Speaker 1: Even though it's a good problem to have. This has
25:15
Speaker 1: not been the disaster that people are making it out
25:17
Speaker 1: to be. It sure just hasn't been.
25:19
Speaker 2: It sure seems like we're looking for a bigger problem.
25:21
Speaker 2: Like you can be angry that it's kind of a
25:23
Speaker 2: non decision, right they because they haven't decided to put
25:26
Speaker 2: one player in the bullpen.
25:27
Speaker 5: So it's in that case a non decision.
25:28
Speaker 2: You're keeping them both, using them both, and you know,
25:32
Speaker 2: kind of keeping all your cards close while you wait
25:35
Speaker 2: to see how it all plays out. So in that sense, yes,
25:38
Speaker 2: it is a non decision, but it's also allowing them
25:41
Speaker 2: some time to figure out the best option and make
25:44
Speaker 2: sure that if something happens to somebody else, we're not
25:46
Speaker 2: now having to backtrack to find someone to come in
25:48
Speaker 2: as the fifth starter, which.
25:50
Speaker 1: Would be Kat Anderson.
25:51
Speaker 2: Yeah.
25:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, in that case, all right, Well, coming up next,
25:55
Speaker 1: it's a new feature. We tested it out a couple
25:58
Speaker 1: of weeks ago. I think we're committing to for good
26:00
Speaker 1: going forward. It is the Baseball Brunch, and I have
26:04
Speaker 1: a hunch you'll love the Baseball Brunch. Sports Radio ninety
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Speaker 1: three point three KJRFM. Yeah, I've been toying around with
26:10
Speaker 1: an idea of you know what, we do Mariners Morning
26:12
Speaker 1: After at six thirty every day after a Mariner's game,
26:17
Speaker 1: but not everybody gets up and here's that and a
26:20
Speaker 1: lot of people just kind of want to know what
26:21
Speaker 1: happened with the Mariners game when they do wake up,
26:23
Speaker 1: whether that's at eight, eight thirty, whatever the case may be. Well,
26:26
Speaker 1: we obviously can't do a recap every segment all show long,
26:30
Speaker 1: but I have been thinking a lot about do we
26:32
Speaker 1: do a second one during the course of the show,
26:35
Speaker 1: And I've arrived at yes, I think that we should
26:38
Speaker 1: do a second one during the course of our summer shows. Anyway,
26:42
Speaker 1: during summer season, I like it. Outside of football season.
26:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got a little time.
26:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also have a little bit of a different format. Well,
26:51
Speaker 1: there are different fun Mariner's Morning After For those that
26:54
Speaker 1: don't know, it's a highlight, a SoundBite, and a preview
26:57
Speaker 1: of what's to night. It's a postgame show, is what
27:00
Speaker 1: it is. We just do it the morning after at
27:03
Speaker 1: six thirty, where the baseball brunch can be a recap
27:06
Speaker 1: of last night's game. And yeah, we can just lean
27:10
Speaker 1: on all of the wisdom that Johnny Bench and Tommy
27:13
Speaker 1: Lasorda taught us years ago.
27:14
Speaker 2: It's about time we put it to good use.
27:17
Speaker 1: So welcome into the baseball Brunch. We got a hunch
27:20
Speaker 1: you'll love the baseball brunch. Last night, the Mariners were
27:23
Speaker 1: taken on the A's in Sacramento. It was the Piggyback
27:26
Speaker 1: Game Piggyback two electric Bugaloo now available at theaters, and
27:31
Speaker 1: it was Luis Castillo now Bryce Miller getting the start.
27:34
Speaker 1: This time Bryce Miller would pitch the back end. But boy,
27:38
Speaker 1: some offense would help to make this thing go a
27:41
Speaker 1: lot smoother. And that happened. In the third inning, double
27:46
Speaker 1: play routine was botched by the A's. It would have
27:50
Speaker 1: gotten them out of the inning, and instead the Mariners
27:53
Speaker 1: just started piling on, taking advantage of the mistake. They
27:57
Speaker 1: went from possibly being good segged for the inning to
28:01
Speaker 1: scoring six times. Randy rose Arena had a double, Luke
28:06
Speaker 1: Rayley had a home run, dom Canzone had a home run.
28:09
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just a a fest offensive feast
28:14
Speaker 1: for the Mariners, who jumped out to a six to
28:16
Speaker 1: nothing lead and then rode their two pitchers to a
28:20
Speaker 1: nine to two win. But on the offensive side of
28:22
Speaker 1: the thing, Randy Rose Arena is just on fire.
28:27
Speaker 2: Come up with an appropriate trophy.
28:31
Speaker 1: This is really punched back and deep pain Randy a
28:36
Speaker 1: home run? What a night for the Mariners. That's a
28:42
Speaker 1: Mariners TV with the highlight. He got a hold of
28:44
Speaker 1: that one. Randy Rose Arena is just he's playing real well.
28:49
Speaker 1: I mean he's he's playing his worst defense and that
28:53
Speaker 1: is not a high bar, no, but he is definitely
28:56
Speaker 1: having his best offensive season of his career at this point.
29:00
Speaker 1: He has been exceptional for this baseball team so far
29:04
Speaker 1: this season. He had three more hits last night, including
29:07
Speaker 1: a home run. I'd argue, I mean, we haven't even
29:10
Speaker 1: started voting for the All Star Game yet, but I'd
29:13
Speaker 1: argue that he's one of your three favorites to start. Now,
29:17
Speaker 1: you know he won't be a favorite to start. He's
29:22
Speaker 1: not going to get named to the starting lineup. Julio
29:24
Speaker 1: has a better chance than Randy, just.
29:26
Speaker 2: More main celebrity.
29:29
Speaker 1: But I'm talking about in terms of who you should
29:31
Speaker 1: vote for I mean you probably should vote for Judge
29:37
Speaker 1: Trout and Randy. That's probably your three best players so
29:43
Speaker 1: far this season in the American League playing the outfield.
29:47
Speaker 1: Right now, he's been that good.
29:49
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it's the opposite of what we talked
29:50
Speaker 2: about with JP earlier. Right, Yes, defense isn't great, but
29:53
Speaker 2: his offense is you know, you you can't not have
29:56
Speaker 2: that in your lineup. It make more than makes up
29:59
Speaker 2: for his sometimes crappy defense, whereas with JP, you're getting
30:03
Speaker 2: bad defense and not a lot of offense. So that's
30:05
Speaker 2: where the struggle comes. At least with Randy, he's like, Okay,
30:08
Speaker 2: I understand the defense. Probably my weakness here. You go
30:11
Speaker 2: all out a couple hits per game.
30:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I would like to see. I think
30:14
Speaker 1: you could do both. I think you could focus while
30:16
Speaker 1: you're playing defense. And because his focus offensively has been
30:21
Speaker 1: just something to marvel locked in, he has changed his
30:24
Speaker 1: entire approach this offseason. He is committed to hitting the
30:28
Speaker 1: other way and then beat one. Now that he's proven
30:33
Speaker 1: you can't get me out pitching me away anymore, now
30:37
Speaker 1: pitchers are going to try to sneak something in like
30:39
Speaker 1: you saw last night and He's like, oh, now you're
30:42
Speaker 1: throwing to my strength, right. I set you up because
30:46
Speaker 1: I learned to hit the other way for a high
30:48
Speaker 1: average and on base, but my power still resides on
30:53
Speaker 1: the inside of the plate. So if you want to
30:55
Speaker 1: come and try to beat me, go ahead. I've been
30:58
Speaker 1: wanting you to do that my whole day.
31:00
Speaker 2: It's like baseball version, the baseball version of Sicilian trickery.
31:03
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, he knows what you're going.
31:06
Speaker 1: I switched the Glafith. You didn't flee me twitch the Glasshith,
31:09
Speaker 1: but I twitched the Glassith.
31:10
Speaker 2: That's what Randy's doing.
31:11
Speaker 1: Uh to ninety nine batting average, three to ninety on
31:15
Speaker 1: base eight sixty seven ops, two and a half war
31:19
Speaker 1: so far this season. He's been fantastic for this team.
31:23
Speaker 1: So the Baseball Brunch Today starring Randy a Rose Arena
31:27
Speaker 1: but featuring Brad Adam from Mariner's TV and Bryce Miller,
31:32
Speaker 1: one of the pitchers in the piggy Back last night,
31:35
Speaker 1: and Brad never gets to interview starting pitchers. They're all
31:40
Speaker 1: already showered and like on their way home, So he
31:44
Speaker 1: never has a starting pitcher walk off the mound and
31:47
Speaker 1: then get caught in his you know in his trance. Uh,
31:50
Speaker 1: but he got the opportunity last night because of the
31:53
Speaker 1: picky back. And so here is Brad Adam with Bryce
31:57
Speaker 1: Miller after the game.
31:58
Speaker 4: All right, here, this is something great when the pigaback
32:02
Speaker 4: situation works. We get to talk to the second starting pitcher.
32:04
Speaker 4: We don't often get to talk to a starter. You
32:06
Speaker 4: don't often get to dance with the infielders after the game.
32:09
Speaker 4: How was that and how would you kind of rate
32:11
Speaker 4: your performance out there?
32:13
Speaker 1: I did pretty good.
32:13
Speaker 6: I think I messed up one of the steps, but
32:16
Speaker 6: we got some practice last year. The whole team did
32:19
Speaker 6: it and when we went to the postseason. So I
32:22
Speaker 6: done it once. Now I've done it twice, so maybe
32:24
Speaker 6: next time I'll be ready to go.
32:26
Speaker 4: You've also done this piggaback situation twice, As Julio says, hello,
32:29
Speaker 4: my friend Casio going the first four, you going to
32:33
Speaker 4: the second five. It was just kind of the best
32:35
Speaker 4: case scenario, the two of you carrying and covering this
32:38
Speaker 4: whole game.
32:39
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think if we're gonna do it, ideally, we
32:42
Speaker 6: don't touch the bullpen. We give them a day off,
32:45
Speaker 6: and it helps you know when we score what nine runs?
32:49
Speaker 1: So not bad.
32:50
Speaker 6: Anytime we scored nine runs, we got a good chance.
32:53
Speaker 1: It's uh.
32:56
Speaker 6: When the wins howling out, I mean, we can get
32:59
Speaker 6: the ball in there.
33:00
Speaker 1: So uh, that definitely helped. For home runs certainly helped
33:02
Speaker 1: as well. My friend.
33:03
Speaker 4: What was it like for you in the communication, Like
33:05
Speaker 4: for you warming up coming out of the pen for
33:07
Speaker 4: the first time in the regular season.
33:10
Speaker 6: Uh, I had a feeling i'd have the fifth inning,
33:13
Speaker 6: so I was inside, came out and threw.
33:15
Speaker 1: It's kind of weird.
33:16
Speaker 6: Uh, definitely not my my normal routine. But you gotta
33:22
Speaker 6: gotta deal the deal the card you're dealt, and I
33:25
Speaker 6: came out and uh just let it writ whenever they
33:28
Speaker 6: told me to, and I got got safe.
33:30
Speaker 1: So that's cool.
33:32
Speaker 4: Maybe the win as well because we was going for
33:34
Speaker 4: So you've done the starter first, now the second guy
33:37
Speaker 4: the second time. So is it getting more I guess
33:40
Speaker 4: comfortable now that you've done both situations.
33:46
Speaker 6: This this setup's not not very comfortable. But like I said,
33:51
Speaker 6: I mean, at the end of the day, I get
33:53
Speaker 6: to come out and pitch in the big leagues and
33:55
Speaker 6: something that that I've dreamed about my whole life. So
34:00
Speaker 6: would I rather start the game. Yeah, But anytime I
34:04
Speaker 6: can be on the mountain the big leagues, I'll be
34:06
Speaker 6: grateful for it.
34:07
Speaker 4: So and helped the team win and get to dance
34:10
Speaker 4: and get to talk to us a postgame walk off interview.
34:13
Speaker 1: First time. You like it? Yeah, it's cool, it's cool
34:16
Speaker 1: at Yeah, sure h Bryce, we appreciate the time. Thank
34:19
Speaker 1: you about the real Brad Adam last night.
34:23
Speaker 2: Not an impostor that's right.
34:26
Speaker 1: I hate that was impost Brad Adams everywhere.
34:29
Speaker 2: You gotta watch out.
34:30
Speaker 5: They will trick you me up.
34:33
Speaker 1: Well, that was on Mariner's TV last night, so we
34:36
Speaker 1: played the entire thing for you. Ian Fanessa called that
34:39
Speaker 1: elite postgame interview work last night and a tweet, and
34:44
Speaker 1: I agree that was exceptional by our friend Bradley because
34:49
Speaker 1: number one, I think the Bryce being able to do
34:52
Speaker 1: the little dance. And Bryce is such a great guy.
34:55
Speaker 1: I know I've said that he's been a little pissy
34:58
Speaker 1: about this thing, but he's awesome. I mean, what a
35:01
Speaker 1: great dude. Yes that Bryce is, but part of him
35:06
Speaker 1: being a great dude is that he's going to answer
35:09
Speaker 1: questions honestly and hasn't been given time to think about it.
35:12
Speaker 1: You know, That's what the on field reporter is for
35:16
Speaker 1: you want to catch them in their rawest of emotions
35:19
Speaker 1: coming off of the field, so they couldn't have gotten
35:21
Speaker 1: with a PR person right or had time to think
35:24
Speaker 1: about what they wanted to say when they met with
35:27
Speaker 1: the media during the press conference, and he got three
35:31
Speaker 1: genuine answers out of him about this piggyback thing, which
35:35
Speaker 1: has obviously been a huge talking point, and I thought
35:40
Speaker 1: that he got I mean, obviously Bryce does not like it,
35:43
Speaker 1: but also Bryce has performed in it, performed really well,
35:49
Speaker 1: and you can tell he's going to do what's best
35:51
Speaker 1: for the team even if he doesn't like it. And
35:54
Speaker 1: so I agree with Ian. I thought that was excellent
35:57
Speaker 1: by Brad last night. And I love the Ian on
36:00
Speaker 1: his tweet where he's like, there was no how you're
36:02
Speaker 1: feeling or talk about the seth. I it's so sick
36:07
Speaker 1: of you know, on field reporters asking questions that way
36:11
Speaker 1: and not just direct questions with a smile on your face.
36:15
Speaker 1: Doesn't have to be harsh, doesn't have to be cruel,
36:17
Speaker 1: you don't have to be nasty. Brad got the answers
36:20
Speaker 1: we wanted from Bryce last night, and all he was
36:23
Speaker 1: was direct, YEP, and positive.
36:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Bryce wasn't you know, angry in his answers.
36:29
Speaker 2: He was just matter of fact and gave his honest
36:31
Speaker 2: thoughts on it. And I think we all appreciate that.
36:34
Speaker 1: All right. Well, the Baseball Brunch it always we always
36:38
Speaker 1: have stars on it, and we always have featured guests
36:40
Speaker 1: on it. So we had Randy Rose Arena highlight and
36:44
Speaker 1: Brad Adam and Bryce Miller our featured guests, good.
36:47
Speaker 2: Supporting cast here today, and.
36:49
Speaker 1: Then we always close it out with what did we
36:51
Speaker 1: learn today?
36:51
Speaker 4: Kids?
36:52
Speaker 1: During the Baseball Brunch, I would say we learned that
36:55
Speaker 1: the piggyback hasn't been as disastrous as what a lot
36:59
Speaker 1: of you were carrying on about.
37:01
Speaker 5: Yeah, what a lot of you seem to either think
37:04
Speaker 5: or want it to be.
37:05
Speaker 1: Number Two, we learned that Randy A. Rose Arena, despite
37:09
Speaker 1: struggling defensively, as having the best offensive season of his career.
37:14
Speaker 1: And number three, we also learned that when you score runs,
37:19
Speaker 1: it's easier to win.
37:21
Speaker 2: That's the most important lesson, kids.
37:26
Speaker 1: So I hope you've enjoyed your time today on the
37:29
Speaker 1: Baseball Brunch and our thanks to special guest features Randy A.
37:34
Speaker 1: Rose Arena, Bryce Miller, and Brad Adam. What a day,
37:37
Speaker 1: What a day? What a day we had? Oh kids?
37:40
Speaker 1: All right, coming up next, don't forget Ryan Healley's going
37:43
Speaker 1: to join us at nine o'clock, but we'll talk some
37:46
Speaker 1: Western and Eastern Conference finals of the NBA.
37:48
Speaker 3: Next.
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Speaker 1: Heally's gonna join us at nine o'clock. Can't wait to
38:07
Speaker 1: hear what he has to say about all of this.
38:12
Speaker 1: I'm very intrigued about what Ryan's got to say coming
38:16
Speaker 1: up here at nine o'clock. We have him on once
38:18
Speaker 1: per week. I'm also just kind of confused about something.
38:23
Speaker 1: And I know we've been talking about this a lot,
38:25
Speaker 1: and I said I was going to talk some NBA here,
38:27
Speaker 1: which I'll get to in a moment, but just kind
38:29
Speaker 1: of what I'm confused about it is like last night's
38:32
Speaker 1: execution of it was I'm not gonna say perfectly handled,
38:36
Speaker 1: because I would have gone five with Castile, go ahead
38:38
Speaker 1: and get him the win he was pitching that well,
38:40
Speaker 1: and then let Bryce go the last four. But other
38:44
Speaker 1: than that, it's exactly what you want out of it.
38:47
Speaker 1: You've got nine innings out of two guys, saved your
38:49
Speaker 1: bullpen the entire time. Obviously, neither Luis or Bryce are
38:55
Speaker 1: sold on this. That's what I'll go through two of
38:59
Speaker 1: these rotations with the piggyback, Okay, And so the suggestion is,
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Speaker 1: I mean this morning and overnight, how can we do
39:10
Speaker 1: this to Luis Castillo? This is embarrassing. I mean, he's
39:14
Speaker 1: he deserves more and I guess that's over one inning
39:20
Speaker 1: or you're just talking about like the piggyback and taking
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Speaker 1: him out of the game. Because how do you think
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Speaker 1: he's going to react if we do what you think
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Speaker 1: that they should do, and that's put him in the
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Speaker 1: bullpen full time.
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't think it's going to go great.
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Speaker 5: No, not after yesterday.
39:33
Speaker 1: I mean, if he can go out there and pitch
39:35
Speaker 1: his best two games in a row, he's pitched his
39:39
Speaker 1: best all season long, and last night he got four
39:44
Speaker 1: shut He got the start and he got four shutout
39:46
Speaker 1: innings and then was taken out of a game where
39:47
Speaker 1: he knew he was going to be taken out of
39:49
Speaker 1: the game, yep, and he got angry. And if he's
39:53
Speaker 1: going to be that angry over that, then how do
39:56
Speaker 1: you think he's going to be react? Going to react
39:58
Speaker 1: as if he feels like I've gotten my act together
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Speaker 1: and now you're going to send me to the bullpen?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so what do I have to do?
40:04
Speaker 1: So what is the solution all of the outraged out
40:08
Speaker 1: there that think the Mariners are embarrassing themselves over this
40:11
Speaker 1: experiment that they're doing. Yeah, if you're going to defend
40:15
Speaker 1: Luis Castillo's feelings and emotions and you think that it's
40:19
Speaker 1: laughable that he was involved in a piggyback at all,
40:24
Speaker 1: you think it's going to be better when they put
40:26
Speaker 1: him in the bullpen? Or do you think the six
40:29
Speaker 1: man rotation was the right idea? Because pretty much nobody.
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Speaker 2: In baseball thinks that doesn't seem like it.
40:35
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I don't know. All right, we'll
40:38
Speaker 1: get into it with Ryan Heay coming up here at
40:41
Speaker 1: nine o'clock. Obviously, the New York Knicks are ready for
40:44
Speaker 1: the conference excuse me, the NBA Finals, But we got
40:48
Speaker 1: to figure out something about the Western Conference Finals. The
40:51
Speaker 1: Thunder and the Spurs have been putting on a show
40:55
Speaker 1: and it's gone a little bit back and forth. They
40:57
Speaker 1: will play game number five here too night. Obviously in
41:01
Speaker 1: Seattle everyone is a Spurs fan and will be a
41:04
Speaker 1: Spurs fan all the way through to the end. I
41:07
Speaker 1: get that, but I mean what a I mean, where
41:10
Speaker 1: would we be without this series because there were a
41:14
Speaker 1: couple of upsets we didn't see coming in round number one,
41:17
Speaker 1: and then round number two was a bit lopsided across
41:22
Speaker 1: the board. And now we've got the Knicks like beating
41:26
Speaker 1: the Cavaliers mercilessly.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, boring series, it just ran away with it.
41:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this might be it like what the Spurs
41:34
Speaker 1: and Thunder seemed to be involved in quite the battle.
41:37
Speaker 1: And then I would suspect that because of the way
41:41
Speaker 1: the Knicks are playing, we're going to end up with
41:42
Speaker 1: a great conference finals because they're not going to go
41:45
Speaker 1: sweeping either of these two teams in the conference finals.
41:48
Speaker 1: But they're also not going to get swept. I don't
41:50
Speaker 1: care what people thought about the Knicks when the playoffs began,
41:54
Speaker 1: or West versus East when the playoffs began. Whatever the
41:58
Speaker 1: Knicks have found it is magic. They are out playing
42:01
Speaker 1: everyone in the league. They are out playing every professional
42:04
Speaker 1: team in professional sports, regardless of the sport. No one's
42:08
Speaker 1: playing better at their sport than what the Knicks are
42:10
Speaker 1: right now. Now, matchups will dictate a little bit of
42:13
Speaker 1: a change. There's no way they're going to steamroll either
42:16
Speaker 1: the Spurs or Thunder. But in my opinion, you better
42:18
Speaker 1: believe that the Knicks have a shot now. They could
42:22
Speaker 1: hit a wall. Maybe this play that they're on right
42:25
Speaker 1: now is unsustainable. Anybody that's ever played sports at any
42:28
Speaker 1: level knows that you can play your absolute best for
42:31
Speaker 1: only a certain period of time, and then sometimes it
42:35
Speaker 1: comes crashing down around you. You don't even know why.
42:38
Speaker 1: You don't know why you went eleven for thirteen in
42:40
Speaker 1: that weekend series and then went over your next thirty two.
42:44
Speaker 1: There's sometimes no explanation for how wacky sports can be.
42:49
Speaker 1: But what we watched from the Knicks, Spurs and Thunder
42:53
Speaker 1: aren't going to.
42:53
Speaker 2: Beat that, I wouldn't think.
42:55
Speaker 3: So.
42:56
Speaker 1: As good as the Spurs and the Thunder are, they're
42:58
Speaker 1: not going to be a team playing well. And yet
43:02
Speaker 1: I don't suspect that they're going to be able to
43:04
Speaker 1: continue that They're going to have another eight days off
43:08
Speaker 1: and then they're going to have to try to match
43:10
Speaker 1: that excellence against the team they don't match up as
43:13
Speaker 1: well against in the next round. I still think the
43:17
Speaker 1: West will prevail in all of this. But certainly the
43:20
Speaker 1: Knicks have made things more interesting for the finals.
43:23
Speaker 2: As you pointed out earlier, I mean, their matchups in
43:25
Speaker 2: the eastern half of the playoffs have been easier than expected.
43:29
Speaker 4: Right.
43:29
Speaker 2: We thought they'd end up playing Boston. They avoided Boston.
43:32
Speaker 2: We thought they'd end up playing Detroit. They avoided Detroit.
43:36
Speaker 2: So they have had an easier path I think than
43:39
Speaker 2: they would have expected going into it.
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Speaker 5: And perhaps that's part of it.
43:42
Speaker 2: But you can't deny that they're playing exceptional basketball.
43:46
Speaker 1: I mean they had what did I say on Friday
43:50
Speaker 1: when they were just at the nine straight wins, They
43:54
Speaker 1: had outscored their opponents during that stretch by two hundred
43:56
Speaker 1: and twelve points. Right, that's the large just gap point
44:01
Speaker 1: differential in a nine game stretch, not in the history
44:06
Speaker 1: of the NBA playoffs, in the history of the NBA.
44:09
Speaker 2: It's incredible.
44:10
Speaker 1: And they did it in the playoffs, where it's supposed
44:13
Speaker 1: to be.
44:13
Speaker 2: Tougher, right, Yeah, the hardest competition.
44:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, the further you get, the more difficult it becomes.
44:18
Speaker 1: I heard somebody say this morning that if they keep
44:22
Speaker 1: this up, the Atlanta Hawks can hang a banner. Because
44:25
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Hawks actually were ahead in the series against
44:28
Speaker 1: the Knicks at the beginning of the playoffs at one point,
44:32
Speaker 1: they're the only team that's even challenged them to this point.
44:35
Speaker 1: So I don't know where it came from. I didn't
44:38
Speaker 1: think they were capable of playing this well, and certainly
44:41
Speaker 1: they haven't faced the competition in the East that some
44:44
Speaker 1: of these Western teams have faced. But don't get it twisted.
44:48
Speaker 1: You just don't destroy professional basketball teams at this level
44:53
Speaker 1: of the playoffs as easily as they've destroyed teams here
44:57
Speaker 1: over the course of this eleven game winning streak. So
45:00
Speaker 1: they are playing great basketball. And even if they're not
45:04
Speaker 1: as good as the Spurs or Thunder, if they played
45:07
Speaker 1: that version of basketball that we've seen for the last
45:10
Speaker 1: two series, nobody's beating.
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Speaker 5: Them, no, And it's going to either way.
45:13
Speaker 2: It's going to be a much more exciting series in
45:15
Speaker 2: the NBA Finals than it would have been if it
45:17
Speaker 2: was the Cavaliers painting against the Spurs of the Thunder,
45:19
Speaker 2: because I think it would have been a sweet Isn't
45:21
Speaker 2: that crazy?
45:21
Speaker 1: Like the NBA does all of this and they want
45:25
Speaker 1: you just expect. The deeper it goes, the more intriguing
45:28
Speaker 1: and more competitive the series get and this seems to
45:32
Speaker 1: happen to them all the time. I getting a sweep
45:34
Speaker 1: in the Eastern Conference finals, for.
45:36
Speaker 2: That's probably their nightmare. They were like, really, come on.
45:38
Speaker 1: And right now they're just like so happy that the
45:41
Speaker 1: Knicks are playing this well that they're thinking, oh wow,
45:46
Speaker 1: this this might go seven games, this could be a war.
45:50
Speaker 1: And watch the Knicks just fall completely on their fast
45:53
Speaker 1: They're just exhausted and they hit the wall and then
45:57
Speaker 1: and then the thunder just or Spurs, just Spurs. The
46:00
Speaker 1: Spurs just boat raced them in the NBA finals.
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Speaker 5: I'd laugh, because the NBA sucks till we get a
46:08
Speaker 5: team back.
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