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Patriots Unfiltered 6/9: Patriots Minicamp Preview, Players/Position to Watch, Coach Vrabel Presser · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here at Jillette Stadium,
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  Speaker 1: but more importantly, it's the first day of mandatory mini camp.
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  Speaker 1: So we're going to talk about what we're going to
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  Speaker 1: be looking at later today, and then after practice, you
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  Speaker 1: guys are going to have a wrap up, a little
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  Speaker 1: short video wrap up of what you saw. So it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of like a h Patriots Unfiltered plus today after dark. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: pre practice ship.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a little sandwich, yeah right, I know,
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  Speaker 3: this is the bread.
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  Speaker 4: And then Yeah, the only real question is how are
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  Speaker 4: we going to get from this room right here out
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  Speaker 4: to the stadium or out to the field, which is
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  Speaker 4: about fifty feet that way.
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  Speaker 1: But we're gonna have to go through a gauntlet. Well cages, no,
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  Speaker 1: but dogs on the contes on level one? Do they
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  Speaker 1: open the gate so you can just walk through there?
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  Speaker 1: It was last week.
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  Speaker 2: That's the we're in the different fields.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we're on the lower fields.
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  Speaker 8: Lower.
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  Speaker 1: Once you're on that field, you can just walk down,
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  Speaker 1: hopefing we can just walk out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm hoping that it's this is not blocked.
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  Speaker 1: Though it's blocked. You can't walk to the over there anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we're going to figure it out. Helicopter it out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe maybe we just have friend come with us,
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  Speaker 2: and Fred says, do you know who I am is?
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  Speaker 1: Anyway?
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  Speaker 3: Awesome? Thank you so much for doing this.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, it's Evan, it's Paul, it's Deuce, it's me,
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  Speaker 1: it's Matt and the booth and uh so what are
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  Speaker 1: we going to be looking at with practice today? Who's there? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: start with that.
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  Speaker 4: Mike Reese had a report, Mike GeSe had report. Maybe
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  Speaker 4: we might see Gabe as perhaps like to see that.
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  Speaker 4: Morgan Moses last saw him last week leaving practice, So
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  Speaker 4: you know, Kayshan Boodi, those are probably the big three.
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  Speaker 1: A report kind of yeah, Reese reported that they're expected
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  Speaker 1: to be there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, according to Rochi, So what's it?
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  Speaker 1: What's it look like? You know kind of the usage.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, those are the things you start getting into
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  Speaker 4: the minutia, like well what order are they going through
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  Speaker 4: the lines?
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  Speaker 1: And and you know, is Booty right back in there?
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  Speaker 4: And and getting reps when they do some little scrimmagey stuff.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, there'll be there'll be some things to watch,
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  Speaker 4: But I think it all starts with.
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  Speaker 1: Just the attendants. That's the biggest piece.
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  Speaker 4: Is everybody here, you know, get a status check on
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  Speaker 4: on some of the health guys.
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  Speaker 1: How are they doing?
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  Speaker 4: But I mean they've had pretty good attendants so far.
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  Speaker 4: I mean most of the issues have not really been injury.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think they've been more tract or that kind
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  Speaker 4: of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So is the only real one. I should say that
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  Speaker 1: Lomu signed his contract yesterday.
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  Speaker 6: It's a difference between who's here and who's participating. You know,
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  Speaker 6: Gonzales might be here, but is he doing anything? Is
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  Speaker 6: he holding in, you know that that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 6: So I think that would be interesting for him and
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  Speaker 6: Kishon Booty as well as Okay, they might physically be
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  Speaker 6: in uniform and out on the field, but when the
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  Speaker 6: real stuff starts, are they actually participating or are they
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  Speaker 6: on their own program? So we've seen I would say
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  Speaker 6: more of that in the NFL than true holdouts at
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  Speaker 6: this point.
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  Speaker 3: Is the soft holdout or the hold in?
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  Speaker 1: And you know the difference between these practices and what
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  Speaker 1: we've had so far, as those are voluntary, this is mandatory.
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  Speaker 1: So if you're not here, theoretically you're supposed to be fine,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't know if that ever happens, but you
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  Speaker 1: are required to be here if you're on the team.
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  Speaker 1: That's paulsing of that.
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  Speaker 4: There isn't this huge difference between mini camp and OTAs,
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  Speaker 4: which we've seen OTAs, But I would be curious to
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  Speaker 4: know when you are expected to have the full team
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  Speaker 4: here from a coaching perspective, what might be different in
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  Speaker 4: terms of.
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  Speaker 1: What you know.
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  Speaker 4: This is a period where everyone's supposed to be here,
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  Speaker 4: So do we take specific strides during the mini camp
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  Speaker 4: to install important things? You know, like what what is
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  Speaker 4: the from the coaching point of view, this is mandatory.
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  Speaker 4: I know on the field that looks similar to us.
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  Speaker 4: They're not playing real football there, but you know, doing
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  Speaker 4: some scrimmaging that stuff. But what is different about it
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  Speaker 4: on the inside that we don't really get to see
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  Speaker 4: you know, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think anything.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you're saying, like, do they go backwards and kind
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  Speaker 6: of start why why have it?
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  Speaker 1: Why have it wait to do certain things until this day?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a good question. I think that they have it.
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  Speaker 6: They could do that to have check ins with the
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  Speaker 6: players and make sure everybody's here and everybody's healthy and
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  Speaker 6: everybody's you know, count.
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  Speaker 2: It's one time that it's mandatory that your whole team
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  Speaker 2: meets in the season.
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  Speaker 6: For us, I just like it because it's three straight
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  Speaker 6: days of practice that we get to watch. So we're
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  Speaker 6: not just like parachuting in on a Tuesday and it's
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  Speaker 6: like then we go a week without seeing anything and
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  Speaker 6: who knows what happens between then and you know point
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  Speaker 6: so having the consecutive days of practice kind of like
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  Speaker 6: training camp. There's you see the build of like, Okay,
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  Speaker 6: this guy really is making a push up the depth chart.
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  Speaker 6: This guy is you know, doing this or whatever, and
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  Speaker 6: you kind of start to see it as was that
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  Speaker 6: just a one offer? Was that actually what we're building
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  Speaker 6: up towards here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the offensive line stuff we talked about
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  Speaker 2: last week. You might see, like the one day of OTAs,
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  Speaker 2: that someone is that left guard, but then when you
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  Speaker 2: see three days in a row, you see, oh, well
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  Speaker 2: he was at right guard that day, center that day.
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  Speaker 2: But I do like Freddy's theory of you know, maybe
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  Speaker 2: they do wait till the mini camp to do something
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  Speaker 2: specific in terms of installation, knowing that everybody's going to
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  Speaker 2: be there, but the guys that are missing OTAs are
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  Speaker 2: generally veterans that don't need to be there for the installation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair. I just you know, interesting. I just
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  Speaker 1: wonder what their perspective on.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, still, as we're watching it, it's not easy
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  Speaker 4: to see that many differences. But I like the point
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  Speaker 4: about some days where somebody might just not be there
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  Speaker 4: and someone else is getting some filling rats versus.
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  Speaker 2: But like Ben Brown, I think Evan brought up last week.
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  Speaker 2: We saw him on the first ota at center, we
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  Speaker 2: saw him, and the second ota that we got to
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  Speaker 2: see he was at left guard. So that might just
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  Speaker 2: be what he you know, depending on we saw a
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  Speaker 2: Monday practice or a Tuesday practice, or a Tuesday practice
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  Speaker 2: as opposed to a Wednesday. Now you get to see
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  Speaker 2: three days in a row, so yeah, probably see these
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  Speaker 2: guys cycle through in different spots, rotation, you know, changes up.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, we're also you know, I don't know how much
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  Speaker 6: he's done. But the first time we saw aj Brown
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  Speaker 6: was his very first Patriots practice, so he didn't do much.
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  Speaker 6: So now once we get into these next couple of days,
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  Speaker 6: does his participation ramp up at all?
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  Speaker 3: And you know what's out look like?
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  Speaker 6: I think he did four reps of team the entire
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  Speaker 6: first practice and kind of was just running routes sooner
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  Speaker 6: just to get his feet wet. So hopefully there's some build.
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  Speaker 6: But that's what I like the most about Mini camp
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  Speaker 6: and training camp too, is that you just you see
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  Speaker 6: every day so you can kind of see what's happening
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  Speaker 6: in succession and that way, there there's no well, why
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  Speaker 6: is Ben Brown at left guard today?
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  Speaker 3: What does that mean?
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 3: That sort of thing.
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  Speaker 1: The other thing we should note is Vrabel will be
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  Speaker 1: live around twelve forty five. So the way we'll end
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  Speaker 1: this show is when he goes live, we'll say goodbye
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  Speaker 1: and the show will go to him live and that's
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  Speaker 1: that's you know, we'll sign off with his live press conference.
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  Speaker 1: That'll be the last thing you see.
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  Speaker 4: And on training camp practices are been released this morning
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  Speaker 4: as well dates.
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  Speaker 1: I want to get on down here for some joint practices.
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  Speaker 1: We've got thirteen open practice dates and do we have them?
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  Speaker 1: Do we want to read them out?
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  Speaker 6: How the first day of school is the twenty fourth,
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  Speaker 6: so that's a veteran report day.
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  Speaker 1: But that's not an open practice day.
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  Speaker 6: That is not an open practice day. The twenty fifth,
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  Speaker 6: that Saturday, is the first open.
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  Speaker 1: Practice, right, so, unlike you know a long time, open
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  Speaker 1: practice started starts on a Saturday. This year, usually it's
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  Speaker 1: a Thursday or Friday. It's a Saturday, which is different.
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  Speaker 1: But the twenty fifth of July is the first open
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  Speaker 1: practice that fans can go to. And then there's thirteen total,
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  Speaker 1: including two joint practices with the Colts. Well I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 1: one joint practice with the Colts and two joint practices
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  Speaker 1: with the Eagles.
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  Speaker 4: August eleventh for the Colts and the nineteenth and twentieth
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  Speaker 4: with the Eagles.
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  Speaker 2: Which will be the represent the last day that fans
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  Speaker 2: are welcome a practice.
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  Speaker 6: But the best, I think the best thing that fans
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  Speaker 6: can have access to, Like it's free, you can come down.
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  Speaker 6: You see two really good teams in the case of
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  Speaker 6: the Patriots and the Eagles. Maybe we'll see about the Colts.
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  Speaker 1: And they were good last year until they lost their quarterback.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, and you see them go toe to toe. It's
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  Speaker 6: pretty cool. It's a great atmosphere.
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  Speaker 1: It's a great take, great take.
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  Speaker 4: Still working on trying to get some cover for the
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  Speaker 4: stands over there. That's my my organizational goal is to get.
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  Speaker 2: You're working on them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my my goal, to get you made the
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  Speaker 1: people well you know the metal that Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're dabbling a little bit. We have had some incidents.
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  Speaker 4: I mean we have incident every single year where someone
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  Speaker 4: passes out from heat exhaustion.
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  Speaker 2: It is right under the sun.
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  Speaker 4: So you know, I think that's something that the organization considers.
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  Speaker 4: Cover up those stands because.
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  Speaker 1: You mean the fans stands, the size yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: just get some cover for them. People are dying.
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  Speaker 4: Like sometimes we look down on those fans and I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: it's a great take. But I always tell people go
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  Speaker 4: on the hill, find some shade. That's where it's cool.
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  Speaker 1: There's not much shade on the hill anymore. It's it's
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  Speaker 1: not I think, you know, all those big trees are gone.
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  Speaker 4: I've seen enough times where you see the Foxboro Fire
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  Speaker 4: Department we let somebody out, like, let's not. I mean
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  Speaker 4: they have cooling stations and water, of course, but I
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  Speaker 4: think they need to catch there like anything else.
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  Speaker 2: You need to be smart.
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  Speaker 1: People get excited, they hydrated, they forget to drink water.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it gets hot, there's no doubt about it. Yeah
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  Speaker 6: it's ninety plus.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks. Today is a beautiful day. Gorgeous, gorgeous. Yeah, to
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  Speaker 1: be be fun. I like these little check ins.
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  Speaker 4: I mean this is like the last like it feels
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  Speaker 4: like the breakup party before summer vacation. So you get
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  Speaker 4: a last like look at everything and then you know,
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  Speaker 4: gear up for training camp and then it's full go
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  Speaker 4: but excited.
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  Speaker 1: You know, no travel. Last year went to Minnesota. It
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  Speaker 1: was fun.
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  Speaker 4: But two sets of joint practices here, I'm not sure
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  Speaker 4: I remember. I think that happened maybe once before in
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  Speaker 4: my time here. But those are to me the best days.
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  Speaker 4: And you know you learned so much and to get
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  Speaker 4: to see Colts they got some good players and the Eagles,
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  Speaker 4: of course, it'll be it'll.
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  Speaker 1: Be interesting when the Eagles are in town, you know,
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  Speaker 1: with the whole A J. Brown thing, and you know
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  Speaker 1: what that dynamic will be like, I'm sure all cameras
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  Speaker 1: will be on him and Jalen Hurts. Yeah, you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: really cool, really cool.
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  Speaker 6: Es offishally, I like the road joint practices, but that's
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  Speaker 6: just a me thing to enjoy those.
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  Speaker 1: That was fun. Last year a football Minnesota. It's just
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  Speaker 1: it's you like being on the on the road that
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  Speaker 1: long for that culminating in a game that doesn't count.
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  Speaker 1: The best last year the worst.
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  Speaker 6: Playing the role of Paul like last year in Minnesota
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  Speaker 6: and the hotel is like what literally like a stone's
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  Speaker 6: throw from the practice feels you could nearly walk right
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  Speaker 6: back and forth.
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  Speaker 1: That was nice. But the one that ended in in
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  Speaker 1: Uh with the Raiders. Yeah, like by the time that
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  Speaker 1: was over, like players were dying. It was just like
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  Speaker 1: the land, can we just get out of here? It's
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  Speaker 1: too long. It's tough though. That was hot.
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  Speaker 4: I mean Minnesota was beautiful. I mean everyone was so
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  Speaker 4: nice there. It was a good, really good setting. Tennessee
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  Speaker 4: a few years ago was awesome. I do enjoy getting
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  Speaker 4: to see It's my only chance to get to see
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  Speaker 4: other places, so I do enjoy them.
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  Speaker 1: But there's something nice too about just being like, we're
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  Speaker 1: not gonna have to go anywhere this summer.
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  Speaker 4: You know, the team will be here, we'll get a
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  Speaker 4: look at two different sets of joint practices.
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  Speaker 1: It'll be it'll be good. I agree. Okay, I do
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  Speaker 1: love it though. All right, Well back to today. Back
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  Speaker 1: to today, So attendance is high up on the list
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  Speaker 1: for sure. I would imagine configuration of the offensive line
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  Speaker 1: is pretty high up there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Vera Tucker probably still working in I mean I think,
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  Speaker 4: give me, in the walkthrough portions, you'll see him getting
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  Speaker 4: in there at left guard, and then I think we've
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  Speaker 4: seen him beginning some drills. But then as the practice
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  Speaker 4: wears on, it seems like you see less and less
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  Speaker 4: of him. So, you know, we saw a lot of
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  Speaker 4: guys getting managed last year. I mean, I remember that
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  Speaker 4: was one of the most striking things to me about
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  Speaker 4: the transition kind of to the Mike Rabel regime of
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  Speaker 4: just you know, guys would come out miss warm ups
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  Speaker 4: and they would just kind of come out and go
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  Speaker 4: right into practice or there you know, will be certain
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  Speaker 4: days where you just didn't see guys, which I don't
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  Speaker 4: know how foreign that was for Bill. I think there
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  Speaker 4: were probably veteran days off and things like that, but
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  Speaker 4: to me it seemed a little bit more pronounced last
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  Speaker 4: year with you know, guys like Moses.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll we'll see how they managed it this.
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  Speaker 2: I would say the difference. I think you made a
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  Speaker 2: good point, Like some of those like you know, half
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  Speaker 2: hour forty five minutes into practice, a guy would come
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  Speaker 2: up the stairs and jump right into the drills. I
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  Speaker 2: don't really remember that very often. Yeah, Now, definitely the
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  Speaker 2: veteran days off is not you know, I think Pete
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  Speaker 2: Carroll did it. I think Bill died it. You know,
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  Speaker 2: so I think most coaches probably do some of that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: But it was like you'd see like Deramandre Stevenson in
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  Speaker 2: a random the middle of the training camp come up
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  Speaker 2: the stairs, you know, well into practice, yeah, and then
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  Speaker 2: just jump right in.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that that was unique, and it's interesting. I think
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  Speaker 6: he was asked about if Rabel was at some point
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  Speaker 6: last year and just talked about you know, they literally
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  Speaker 6: track the sports science people track like how many steps
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  Speaker 6: and how many like you know, exertions you're doing in
• 14:41
  Speaker 6: terms of running and sprinting and all this different type
• 14:43
  Speaker 6: of stuff. So when they get into positional drills, if
• 14:46
  Speaker 6: they can eliminate that, which is probably the not important
• 14:49
  Speaker 6: as important as them participating in team and that's what
• 14:52
  Speaker 6: they do. And they kind of get stretched out down
• 14:55
  Speaker 6: on the lower field and then they walk up and
• 14:57
  Speaker 6: they go right into it. But he just mentioned that
• 14:59
  Speaker 6: they kind of almost like reps. They count these things
• 15:02
  Speaker 6: of like how often are you going full speed? How
• 15:05
  Speaker 6: often are you doing this or doing that? And so
• 15:07
  Speaker 6: they they decided that it's sometimes better to take them
• 15:11
  Speaker 6: out of the beginning part of practice so that they
• 15:13
  Speaker 6: can do the team stuff.
• 15:14
  Speaker 4: I like that exertions, how many exertions they did. I'm
• 15:16
  Speaker 4: going to use that like on the weekend, like exertions
• 15:19
  Speaker 4: I've done.
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: Too many the last time you had an exertion those
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: I had an exertion last night. So I have to
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: I have to redo the I have to redo the
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: joints on my on my walkway, you know, because the
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: company that did it did a terrible job. So I
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: took it all out and I got this stuff from
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: Germany called romex Easy, and all you do is wet
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: everything down and you sweep it in, smooth it out,
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: and it comes out perfect. So yesterday was my window
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: because you really need to dry days afterwards, and it's
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: not you know, from last night. It's not going to
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: rain again till maybe Wednesday afternoon. So that was my window.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: So I got home last night and I got that
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: all done. Did your exertion? Did my exertion?
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: Sorry, he's exerted.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: Didn't realize that word. But it's going to be such
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: a buzzin.
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: No.
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: I love to like just like qualify. I've done a
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: bunch of exertions today already, honey, I don't.
• 16:16
  Speaker 6: Well, you can wear you can wear sports bra too
• 16:19
  Speaker 6: like they do, and they can track all your but
• 16:22
  Speaker 6: it's kind of crazy like they it's preemptive, Like they
• 16:24
  Speaker 6: can literally predict like this guy has put too much
• 16:28
  Speaker 6: on his body and if we keep pushing him then
• 16:30
  Speaker 6: like he's more susceptible to an injury somewhere you know,
• 16:34
  Speaker 6: along the way, and they can they can manage those
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: types of things.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: It's kind of crazy. It's cool.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Cool. So the other thing I'll be looking at and
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: it might mean something or it might mean nothing. And
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: that's the order in which the wide receivers do their
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: unit drills, like just you know, catching balls. And in
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: the past, usually the number one receiver goes first and
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: it's followed down the line. Now we know in the
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: O T. A. A. J. Said I don't want to
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: be first. I haven't earned that yet. So will he
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: be the first in line to do these things or not?
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: And if he isn't, then everything just is just you know,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: thrown out of thrown out the windows. So now you
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: don't know who is. But let's let's see if they
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: follow history and the number one receiver goes first in
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: all these drills.
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: You want to set a tone in all serious I
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: think you should like you should like like Diggs used
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: to do that.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: You know, Diggs would be at the heart of the
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: line and people getting up first.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he would.
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: He would do the drill and you four time pro bowler,
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: that's the way it's supposed to be done, and you know,
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: followed by everybody else. But I thought that that was
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: the one thing that Diggs, you know, not the most
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: important thing, but one thing that he did bring to
• 17:44
  Speaker 6: the table was that sort of intensity like even to
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: practice where you know, he was setting a bar and
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: he was setting a tone of this is how we
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: practice and we're not going to take reps off and
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: this sort of thing. And from what I've heard, AJ
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: Brown is a similar kind of cat, So maybe he
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: does the same way.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: He kind of knows what he's doing a little bit more.
• 18:04
  Speaker 9: Now.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Yes, I'll be looking at it doing that. I'll be
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: looking at that.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I can still see Mac Collins just jumping up
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: there first though, feeling like I did.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: That would be my pick, just to clarify. Like AJ
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Brown talked last week when he when he did speak
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: to us, they asked him to sort of go out
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: front and lead the stretching, which I don't know if
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: you've noticed, but they have four or five players are
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: facing the team, you know, de facto captains, and Robert
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Splaine has been one of them, I think in both
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: of the practices that we watch, but there's been different guys,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: and I based on the way A. J. Brown said it,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: that's what I think he was talking. Oh Okay, they
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: asked him to do that and he said, no, I haven't.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: I haven't earned that yet, you know, whatever. But in
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: terms of the lines, I think it's been like Douglas
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: has been that guy who's been around the longest. You know,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Booty and Douglas I think are the longest tenured receivers,
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: right yep. And Booty wasn't there, So I think it's
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: been Douglas for the most part. I wouldn't be surprised
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: to see Matt Collins and I you know, it wouldn't
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: surprise me at all, Fred if you get your your
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: wish and aj Brown is doing what Diggs did last year.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, But isn't that usually the way it is?
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: It's it's that's it's the order of the depth chart.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: A lot of the time, Yeah, a lot of the time.
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: It depends on I think.
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: So sometimes it gets a little loose, you know, and
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: they just kind of all just go through it the
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: way they go through it. But for the most part,
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: I would say it's more so with the receivers and
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: other positions.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: Running backs sometimes yeah.
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: Like corners, I don't really you don't always see like
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: Gonzo and Carlton Davis at the front of the line,
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: like sometimes they just kind of go through it.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: But for the most part, I think for me, I'm
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: interested a little bit in the cornerbacks today.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: That's something I want to watch. Just you know, they've
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: been stacking these.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: Guys undrafted Day three picks. They've got a bunch of them. Now,
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: you know, you added you know, the front tee, the
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: latest one. But now, can any of these guys play,
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: or any of these guys below the top three? And
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, I know Charles Woods and Ville have played,
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: so they're veterans. I mean they can fill in for you.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: But any of these other young guys did any potential there?
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, I.
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: Think, you know, I think offensive line and sometimes defensive
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: backs are where maybe you get a surprise more common
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: than some of the other positions. I just think it'd
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: be a great boost for this team if one of
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: these young guys that they've spent a Day three pick on,
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: you know, not high expectations, but you know, there's just
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: such a volume of players. Could someone emerge, Could someone
• 20:28
  Speaker 4: do something unexpected from that group? You know, be it
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: Prunty or minor or you know, Dial still rehabbing the
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: injury from last year. You know, Crossley's been around a
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: little bit. They got a couple undrafted guys too. There's
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: just a bunch of guys. I don't know if Gonzalez
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: is going to be playing. I don't know if Davis
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: is going to be playing out there, maybe even Marcus,
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: So they're all going to have some opportunities to play.
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: Does that translate into some kind of I.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Really hope you know those two are because I want
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: to get back to the days where practice was really
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: really competitive defense VUSA offense, you know, and that starts
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: with Drake May and probably Gonzales, you know, making it
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: that way, yeah, you know, and every rep is important
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: and you want to win every rep, and there's back
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: and forth, and there's trash talking and maybe once in
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: a while a scuffle, but like because you know, iron
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: sharpens iron, right, and you want to make those practices
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: in such a way that when you come to the
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: game it's fun.
• 21:28
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean just to set it up today, I mean,
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: if that's what the secondary looks like. And now you
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: have Drake May, third year, second year in the system.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: AJ Brown's in the house. Now, maybe Booty's going to
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: be playing a little bit. I don't know, but you
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: know he has the pieces around him that and you
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: guys can probably tell me better that you know, when
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: Tom Brady all of a sudden went into a practice
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: and the defense is shorthanded and they're without their top
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: three corners, I would hope that he's going to unleash
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: something upon them that they're not able to handle.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: Do we see that kind of precision and coordination from
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: the offense at this stage in the game. Maybe not,
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: but I'd be encouraged to see them go out there
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: and be like, all right, you got Channing Canada out
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: there going, you know, trying to cover a J.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Brown, Like light them up right, let's see let's see
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: some positive strides from the offense a little bit.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's that, Paul, I'm sorry? Is he on the Patriots?
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Yes? Undrafted? Yeah, okay.
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: I think the depth that you pointed out, though, do
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: so across the defense is probably one of the question
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: marks with the team moving forward really at all three levels.
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: You know, Like we've talked about edge multiple times at
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: this point and what's going to happen there. But even
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: like off ball linebacker, like yes, splain, you have Elis
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: and then maybe kJ Britt is like sort of in
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: his own category, and then you have everybody else. The
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: Chad Mumas and the Obizors and those guys like these,
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: they need to build some depth out in the on defense.
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: You know, if they lose some of those frontline players
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: for a period of time, then you don't know right
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: now who's who's going to be the Jack Gibbons of
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: the linebacker group.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: And it's a great point.
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: Like I've been writing the you know, we're doing our
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: training camp previews positionally, and I do the defensive side,
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: and that feels like what I'm writing every single time
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: is if the top guys are okay, they're good, but
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: really across the defense, to Evans's point, as soon as
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: you pull this little string out, now you're going down
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: into the unknown territories.
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: Even I like at safety, like we know Bayern and
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: Wotzon are going to be the primary safeties. Is it
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: del Pettis, is it Mike Brown? Like who's the third guy?
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: You know, where's the depth there on that position? I
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: think all over the defense you could you could point
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: that out. I actually feel better about their depth on offense,
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: even though like Julian Hill obviously getting hurt hurts that
• 23:41
  Speaker 6: a little bit, but I kind of feel like offensively
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: they have pretty good depth. It's defensively that you like
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: the the top eleven guys, but then once you start
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: to get down the depth charger.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: That's what it is.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: Because I feel like we said the same thing last year,
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: was like, you know, they've got some good players, they
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: just don't have a lot of depth. They haven't been
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: able to put their full team in place. And I
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: feel like fields maybe in the offense they do have
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: some of that, but it still feels like there's a
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: lot of questions on the defensive side of it. I mean,
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: and it takes time, Like I don't know if they
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: were going to be able to do the whole thing,
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: but you know, in two years, but it still feels
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: like they got a waste to go on the defense.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Offense. I'll be looking at some of that the areas
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: that I think depth in might may or may not
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: be a concern. But like we talked about tight end
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: a lot, you know with rare it and maybe you know,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: going to get a bigger opportunity. But I also look
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: at that whole group of running backs, full backs, how
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: you characterize you know, all these different So we know
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: it's Stevenson and Henderson, but beyond those two are you,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: is there like a traditional third down running back, you know,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: is he like like last year at Antonio Gibson, you know,
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: with those to make those three is do you have
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Lan Larrison, do you have one of the you know,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: you know, one of the one of the rookies and Miller?
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: And does Jack Westover? Does he continue to play fullback?
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Is he now more of an option at tight end?
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: That sort of full back tight ends that's a very
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: similar position. Those guys are tied. So that's one thing
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: I think you can start to see three days in
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: a row, where does this guy fit in and when
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: is he getting his reps? And then you can get
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: an idea of oh, okay, brock Lampy maybe not with
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Reggie Gilliam here, but Lan Lanison maybe he is getting
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: an opportunity, you know. And then Westover might with Julian
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Hillout be more of just a back to a regular
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: tight end. Those kinds of things I think you can
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: start to figure out in a mini camp.
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and do you carry three pure tight ends and
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: you'llium so then you're really carrying four guys in that
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: room or do you save that roster spot?
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: By CJ.
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: Dupree Taylor Arkin, like those guys maybe can be practice
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: squad players and elevated if they need to be during
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: the season, like that kind of fifty three man roster
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: stuff where you might be saving a roster spot by
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: carrying only Henry Rared and Gilliam, but you might have
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: some guys stash on the practice squad, Like how does
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: that that all work out? Because you need three running backs?
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: Like you're going to carry three running backs on the
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: active roster, I would think, but that that full back
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: position is now that you know Gilliam's on the team,
• 26:17
  Speaker 6: so that that becomes kind of a numbers crunch there
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: of how many pure tight ends do they keep up
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: behind Gilliam?
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: All right, so those are some of the things we'll
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: be looking at. What are the some of the things
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• 26:41
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• 26:51
  Speaker 1: to practice. So that's around twelve forty five. So let's
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: get to the phones. Christian, what's on your mind?
• 26:58
  Speaker 10: Hey you guys, guys, tell you guys, how you doing today?
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: Okay? Good?
• 27:04
  Speaker 10: So hey, as you head into mini campings then you know,
• 27:08
  Speaker 10: a training camp. Two things sort of dawned on me
• 27:11
  Speaker 10: questions that I had. One is yes, So from year
• 27:15
  Speaker 10: one to year two, a player, let's say Will Campbell,
• 27:19
  Speaker 10: will study tape, will try to refine himself and be better.
• 27:24
  Speaker 10: It's also the case build that defenses will study his
• 27:27
  Speaker 10: tape from last year, figure out his his you know, shortcomings,
• 27:31
  Speaker 10: and how to expose him. So the question one is
• 27:36
  Speaker 10: is it usual that the guy you know, like the
• 27:40
  Speaker 10: player will get better in year two? What are the
• 27:45
  Speaker 10: metrics that he outpaces the amount of uh, you know,
• 27:50
  Speaker 10: knowledge that the defense gains about him and begins expose
• 27:54
  Speaker 10: him in year two. The piggybacks on my second question.
• 27:58
  Speaker 10: So my second question is the definite.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I just want to say I think it
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: gets to a point like you're right, it's a cat
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: and mouse game, but it gets to a point like
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: talent wins. So if the guy's talented, then the adjustments
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: that the defense are making, he can overcome because he's
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: got the talent.
• 28:18
  Speaker 10: Right, Okay, And so that that's my first question about
• 28:21
  Speaker 10: Will Campbell. Who But how do you guys see that
• 28:23
  Speaker 10: metric lining up with some of the better guys that
• 28:26
  Speaker 10: we played last year that kind of exposed him outside
• 28:29
  Speaker 10: of the injury, that is. And then the second question is,
• 28:32
  Speaker 10: with that said, what would it take outside of an
• 28:35
  Speaker 10: injury to see someone like a Caleb Lomo have to
• 28:38
  Speaker 10: get on the outside and maybe push Will Campbell to
• 28:41
  Speaker 10: the inside. Thank you guys, I'll take it all.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Right, thanks.
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so far we've only seen other than rookie Minni camp,
• 28:47
  Speaker 6: we've only seen Lomu at right tackle. So maybe that
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: changes at some point in training camp if Will Campbell
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: isn't making that push that year two leap or whatever
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: you want to call it. But as of right now,
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: what we've seen Lomo has been on the which air
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: to Morgan Moses.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Would you say there's a much better chance that he
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: beats out Morgan Moses for right tackle then takes over
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: at left tackle.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: Maybe yeah.
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: I mean it's hard to say now because we haven't
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: really seen them in pads or anything like that, but
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: maybe I think right now that's The plan as it
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: stands today is that Lomo's here to be a successor
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: to Morgan Moses, and whenever that happens, I you know,
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: we'll see when that happens. Maybe it happens organically and
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: there's an injury and he goes in.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: For an injury.
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: But I think to the first question about Campbell, to me,
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: the best thing that you know, listening to a lot
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: of the offensive line people talk about him too after
• 29:45
  Speaker 6: the Super Bowl is coming up with more variety of
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: past sets and how he's attacking pass rushers because last year,
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: especially in the playoffs, and I don't know if this
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: was related to the injury or what, but he was
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: vertical setting a lot. So he's just coming out of
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: his stance and going straight backwards into the backfield and
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: it was creating those runways for bull rushers to just
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: get downhill on them and push him back into the quarterback.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: So you know, there's different sets.
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: There's jump sets, there's forty fives, there's verticals, So like,
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: maybe there's more variety, and it might not be all
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: of one thing. It might be you know, I'm gonna
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: this time, I'm going to set out of forty five
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: and then next time I'm going to a vertical set,
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: and you just change up pitches and same with your hands,
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: Like sometimes you punch with two hands, sometimes you punch
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: with the outside, some pint you punch with the inside.
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: Sometimes you hook underneath, and like you do all these
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: different sort of like chess match things and moves to
• 30:36
  Speaker 6: keep pass rushers off balance. But younger guys, I don't
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: think have that toolbox yet. They haven't developed all those
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: different tricks. So a guy like well Campbell, you hope
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: that he's able to add more of that to his
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: more variety to his game so that they can't just
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: sit on one thing like those Seahawks pass rushers just
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: they knew that they were going to just be able
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: to go right through them. So like you have to
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: be able to change pitches and turn different ways and
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: things like that to kind of combat that so happens
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: with a lot of young guys that they get predictable,
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: Like people know what they're they're gonna see every single
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: time they drop back. So maybe Campbell, that that would
• 31:15
  Speaker 6: be to me where Campbell could improve the most other
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: than like physically, you know, putting on weights and stuff.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: You know, we saw that as early as training camp
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: where he was just his drop was just too deep
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: and by the time he gets set, he's almost touching
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: the quarterback. That's not good.
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, because you know, I think the biggest problem
• 31:31
  Speaker 6: is is like you start getting into the arm length thing,
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: and so like when you give that runway allows somebody
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: to kind of come down yell at him, and then
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: his arm is this and Campbell's arms aren't long enough.
• 31:41
  Speaker 6: So the first contact is established by the defender. So
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: now when you get into that anchor, like the anchor
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: is tardy because he's getting pushed back into the quarterback
• 31:50
  Speaker 6: and then dropping anchor. So that I think he needs
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: to be more aggressive. And I've listened to a lot
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: of other people say the same thing, where you know,
• 31:58
  Speaker 6: cause he has the length efficiency, if he's more aggressive
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: and he closes down that space instead of creating more
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: of it, then maybe he can go get guys.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: And he's gonna have to rely on his athleticism in
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: his feet, you know, getting in position quicker and be
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: ready to and and he has that that is a strength,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: that's the strength of his so use the strength. Yeah, yeah,
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: he's got he's got good feet.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: I mean I think it's you know, Evan laid it out, well,
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: it's just hard to the nuance of that offensive line position.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: So I'll just block the guy.
• 32:25
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: There's a lot that goes into it mentally too, so
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: you know, the strength is something Brabel talked about a
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: lot too.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: That I mean, Will said it himself. Strength strength. Yeah,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: he's wrong. Strength.
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: Start to get that man strength. And he's two years old.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: You know he's got to start to get you know,
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: have a kid, he get some dads strength, you know,
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: start to really really bet herms in DC?
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: What's up? Herm?
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: Hey, what's going on?
• 32:46
  Speaker 8: Gentlemen?
• 32:49
  Speaker 11: Real quick, quick, coming in a question and in advance.
• 32:54
  Speaker 11: I've been travel a little, haven't had a chance of listen.
• 32:57
  Speaker 11: Uh So if you I mean, if I'm beat a
• 33:00
  Speaker 11: dead horse, positive events.
• 33:02
  Speaker 9: But uh first commentist obviously about the Agrian Brown conversation.
• 33:08
  Speaker 9: I mean, I mean, the reality is there are no
• 33:11
  Speaker 9: discounts on Ferraris and Bugatti's right, So I mean that's
• 33:15
  Speaker 9: what it takes to get it still done. I mean,
• 33:17
  Speaker 9: you have to cough up a first rounder, so that
• 33:19
  Speaker 9: I mean, it is what it is.
• 33:22
  Speaker 11: But my question, my second question is this, I know
• 33:28
  Speaker 11: Paul had made fun of me before about that. But
• 33:33
  Speaker 11: I'm starting to coming.
• 33:34
  Speaker 9: Around a little bit too, the notion that is the
• 33:38
  Speaker 9: cap in the crap, right, and I'm I'm looking at
• 33:44
  Speaker 9: the rams an example, because the quarterback is getting paid.
• 33:48
  Speaker 9: I looked up at the left tackles getting paid. I
• 33:51
  Speaker 9: have to try to put the trade for Miles Garrett trade.
• 33:54
  Speaker 8: For another corner.
• 33:55
  Speaker 9: I think it's getting paid pretty well. And I'm bringing
• 33:58
  Speaker 9: this up in the context of Drake May obviously events
• 34:02
  Speaker 9: again a huge deal, right, so for Rosco's touching purposes
• 34:09
  Speaker 9: because in my mind, if he's taking me, what's my question? Well,
• 34:14
  Speaker 9: so my question is.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: That I didn't really lost the move.
• 34:21
  Speaker 8: I didn't.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: I didn't do it all right, all right, So yeah,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: but we're not there yet, but we're gonna be there
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: where we're gonna have a lot of big tickets to pay.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: It's about money.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Gonzo's coming up. May's coming up. You know, Milton
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Williams is already on the books.
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: A J.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Brown costs a lot of money, right, So it's it's
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: about money. And I'm not making fun of anyone. I didn't.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Certainly I apologize for him if I made fun of you.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: In the past, I just would say, don't talk about
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: the cap number because the cap can always be managed.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: But not everybody and I understand this. Everybody has a budget,
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: so the actual dollars matter, and not every team is
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: able to just say, well, he gets a thirty million
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: dollar signing boys, and he gets a forty million dollar
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: signing bonus and he's going to get guaranteed one hundred
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: and ten million. Not every team can just do that
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: or is willing to do that willy nilly. But in
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: terms of the cap, that's that's the only thing. So
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: I think herm was going down the road of you know,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: now you got aj Brown and you already had Milton Williams,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: and then here comes Christian Gonzales and then next year
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: it's going to be Drake May. Yeah. No, I don't
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: think it's a foregone conclusion that everybody gets some I
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: think that's a perfect world for Patriots fans and that
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: I think that's what we're all expecting and hoping. But
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's a guarantee.
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, you still have an Elliot Wolf was
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: on the record talking about this that everything has to
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: be done through the prism of eventually Drake May is
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: going to be paid and they have to all their moves.
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: But you know, they Drake May has one more year left, no,
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: well really two more years left on his rookie contract.
• 35:58
  Speaker 6: Then they have the fifth year of option, and then
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: they have an extension, so they really have like a
• 36:03
  Speaker 6: window of two seasons I would say before he's expensive.
• 36:06
  Speaker 6: Now the fifth year option would be expensive, but not
• 36:09
  Speaker 6: sixty five million dollars a year or whatever. So they
• 36:12
  Speaker 6: really have two years. And in theory, like a guy
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: like aj Brown might be a two year window. Like
• 36:18
  Speaker 6: that might be a player that is here for two years.
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: So by the time they're paying Mey Gonzalez top of
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: the market salaries at the same time, that might not
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: be until another two or three years down the road.
• 36:31
  Speaker 6: So right now they have this kind of window to
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: go all in on the talent around them on the roster.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: And by the way, if Campbell doesn't prove and is
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: our left tackle of the feet, you're gonna have to
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: pay him too. And left tackles aren't cheap, so there's
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: some big tickets down the road. You're gonna have to
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: get ready for that.
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: Once they hit the point where Drake May's extension kicks in,
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: They're gonna be kind of in the same position Kansas
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: City is in, where there's gonna have to be probably
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: other things that will go. You know, Tyreek Kill gets created,
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: Trent McDuffie gets traded, you know, those types of things
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: that that's on the table. Because he's going to be
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: seventy million dollars a year at the quarterback.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: You might have to lose the vending machine.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: He might at well that we already paid for him.
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: It's easy to get caught up in this at this
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: time and then we got to sign him, and then
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: this guy's like the team's all signed for this year.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: I don't like playing. It takes the fun out of it.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I don't want to worry about let them worry about.
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: Well, that's why I brought up the window, because like
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: we're really worrying about something that's like two to three
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: years down the road, so like we don't they don't
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: really now. If they signed Drake made to his extension
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: next offseason, then that usually rips up the fifth year option,
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: so like you're talking about paying him big money in
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: his fifth year instead of his sixth year technically speaking,
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: And I wouldn't do this because it's bad for the
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: player and bad for everybody. But they could pick up
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: his fifth year option and kick the can down the
• 37:51
  Speaker 6: road another offseason and not pay him until between four and.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Five, franchise him too after that, but that never works out.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: It usually doesn't.
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: But that those are the types of leverages that the
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: teams have that you know, well, this is ahead of time, right,
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: this is ahead of schedule. Christian Gonzales that we're giving
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: you the money this offseason.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: We really don't have to get.
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: Those are the things that work out because whatever you
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: pay him a couple of years later, it's not that much,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: you know, Max and Santa Barbara writes in podcast at
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Patriots dot com. My question is why are so many
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: of you he has in parentheses Evan so ready to
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: run Booty out of town. You complain that they don't
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: develop receivers, yet you're fine with sending Booty off. Not
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: every receiver is Moss, justin Jefferson, Puka Nakua. He's a
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: reliable receiver, and in today's NFL that seems to work.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: I get the feeling of future offensive coordinator. Evan would
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: have run Givens and Branch out of town. Fred and
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Paul straightened these younguns out love the show at fred
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: dry humor and Paul's snarkiness. Well, I don't think Evan
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: wants to run him out of town.
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: He just.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: Belichick ran Gibbons and Branch out of town. Neither one
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: of them got agnixed.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: That that's true. That's true.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Just you know, for the records, Fred and Paul would
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: have liked to have kept Branch and Givens. They didn't
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: didn't really hurt anything.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: I don't really, not about Givens, but Branch for sure. Yeah,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: I mean, you don't know.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: They let Givens go too, But.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know. If I was on the saying I would,
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: I would have.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Resigned both of those guys. Now, Givevens ended up going
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: to Tennessee and got hurt. He badly hurt his knee
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: and was never the same. Branch had productive years he
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: came back.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, I know, I know I wouldn't. Yeah, listen, Jacoby Myers,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: we wanted to keep. You know, I totally get the point.
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: It's just like, look at what the player really is
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: and the lofty goals now of you know, is is
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: Booty ever going to be that game changing number one.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: I think he is what he is. He's a solid player,
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: but right now we're looking for more when we're trying
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: to put a J. Brown on Listen, I've I've been
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I've been very public with my my love of Booty.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: You know, so I I really like him. I think
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: I think the best is yet to come for him.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: I don't even think we've seen the best out of him.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: But for on this team. I get what Evan is saying.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: It's a fit thing, it's a redundancy thing. You just
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: signed AJ Brown. There's a lot of redundancy there. Can
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: you afford to have Booty on your team as a backup?
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: And will Booty want that? It's clear that he doesn't.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: If Booty wanted it and fully embraced the role, I
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: would do the same. Like it's not the same as
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: the Digs thing because it's so different roles those three guys.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: But I would keep Booty and say, never know, I
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: might need he might need a bigger role because someone
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: might get hurt and I'd like to have a guy
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: that is already produced in that role.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: There no chance, is there no chance he's on the
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: team this year?
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: A chance there's always a chance until he's not on
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: the team. I mean, he doesn't want to be on
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: the team.
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: Just like reading Tea leaves if I think if they
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: got an offer that they liked, then he would already
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: be gone. Like this has been two off seasons in
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: a row that he's his name has been floated in
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: trade rumors and this one especially, and I just don't
• 40:54
  Speaker 6: think that the offer has been great that they've been
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: blown away to be like yeah, like let's do it.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: But it's just a redundancy thing.
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: I mean he was talking to Dan Roach at some
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: charity event and he said, well, I'm an ex receiver.
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: AJ Brown's an nex receiver, so you can only play one, like,
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: you know, is.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: That true though? Can you play two x'es?
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: I mean you could in theory, but like, I just
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: don't think that that's what's best, Like I don't think
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: it's what's best for the team. So I just I
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: look at it more of like Kayshon Boody's in the
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: fourth year of his contract as a rookie contract that's
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: expiring at the end of this year. He's trying to
• 41:29
  Speaker 6: set himself up for a second contract and if he's
• 41:32
  Speaker 6: backing up AJ Brown?
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: How is that? How is that keeping everybody happy?
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: Are they all going to play nice in the sandbox
• 41:39
  Speaker 6: when his role and his snaps and his targets are
• 41:43
  Speaker 6: reduced to nothing because unless AJ Brown gets hurt, he's
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: not playing, and so it's not anything to do with
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: Kaishan Booty or his ability. The only thing I pushed
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: back on with Kaishan Booty is the guy caught forty
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: passes for five hundred and fifty yards and we do
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: act sometimes like he's Randy Monks. Yeah, that's the only
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: difference that I kind of push back on is like technically,
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: like in theory, guys like Kaishon Booty are replacement level players,
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: like you should be able to find another Kaishon Booty.
• 42:10
  Speaker 6: I don't think you can just find another Aj Brown,
• 42:13
  Speaker 6: which is why they traded a first round.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Pick for him.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Dylan says, we're back, baby. I love this time of
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: the year because it guarantees the same things from everyone
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: every year. Deuce will gawk over a big guy and
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: latch onto a random defensive player that he knows in
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: his heart probably won't make the team or get any
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: playing time, but falls in love with anyway, Fred will
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: be overly optimistic about an offensive player, most likely a receiver,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: fully open to committing to someone having a six year
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: breakout season. Paul is there to play what he considers
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: to be the Devil's advocate, which is really just a
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: pessimistic rebuttal to Fred's optimism, which is just him laughing
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: and saying I don't know. And finally, Evan. Evan will
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: explain how he will not be taking the cheese this season,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: fully explaining past years. Insert Taekwon Thornton's story that he
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: has done this, and he will use that to transition
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: into a story of him fully taking the cheese of
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: a speedy receiver, looking good before the pads come on.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: Never change boys. What a fun season coming up, especially
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: when we get the Thibodeau.
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: Nope, not this year, not this year, not taking the cheese.
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: This good spring for Pop Douglas and I'm not I'm
• 43:20
  Speaker 6: not doing it.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: I'm not doing it.
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: No Island, Nope, different positions, So we let that one.
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: He opens the door from Pop Douglas. I hope that
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: you know every spring, even training camp. Last year Pop
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: had a great training camp and I know people were
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: building it up, not doing it. I hope it happens,
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: but I'm not. I'm not doing it until will you be.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: Keeping an eye on the Taekwon Thornton hype in Kansas
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: City though.
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: That's it's funny because this is what happens. And I
• 43:51
  Speaker 6: feel bad a little bit for Chiefs Kingdom because, like
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: you you, Taekwon Thornton does this every spring because he's
• 43:57
  Speaker 6: the fastest guy on the field and when it's just
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: a track meet, like he's gonna look like he's, you know,
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: a superstar. And then he start, you know, playing the
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: real games and he's Taekwon Thornton. And I feel bad
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: because I've been there. So I've been there.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: I know you're you're gonna defend yourself against taking the cheese,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: but I'm trying. If there was the trap that you
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: would fall into, who would it be for?
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: I can't quit pop. I liked him when they drafted him.
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: I liked him when we saw him at the Shrine
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: Bowl all years ago. I still love the skill set. Uh,
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: you know, it's just in games. It's been okay, but
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: it hasn't. He hasn't taken that next step, you know,
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: he hasn't. He hasn't taken that consistent next step to
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: being a top three receiver. But I just love the
• 44:45
  Speaker 6: idea of it because I think he's a little bit
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: more down the field than like your traditional Eft and
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: Chisholm slot receiver.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Paul.
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: What cheese would you nibble at for this year, Mozzarella?
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Probably the Raritan. I think there's a skill set there
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: on paper that quite frankly hasn't really manifested itself on
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: the field at Notre Dame. So I think if I'm
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: guilty of taking the cheese, it would be on him.
• 45:14
  Speaker 8: Rareted.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Part of that would be because I, you know, I
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: tend to gravitate to the guys that I do the
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: profiles onto.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Sure, So yeah, I'm gonna still stick with Akis. Yeah,
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: I'm with you on him. I just I think they
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: need him. That's a position.
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: I mean again, going back to the profiles, it is like,
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: you know, the second round with Landry.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: You know, it's just I think he It all starts
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: with him. What is he this year?
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: Is he or a juvenated player who had surgery and
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: kind of gets back to that level we saw the
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: first few weeks last year, Or is he you know,
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: player who's going to continue to kind of slowly slide down.
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: I think he's still got something to give, but the
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: juice that Accus potentially provides, I think it's just a
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: critical element for this.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: You feel a lot of your media brethren are tempted
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: to take the cheese on Kyle Williams.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: Yep, it's a it's a good one. It's a good one.
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: I think that we've seen a little bit of inconsistency
• 46:05
  Speaker 6: and the practices that we've watched already with him, So
• 46:08
  Speaker 6: I think that that's maybe.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: A good one for it.
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: Poured some cold water on it just a little bit.
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: And then Rabel had this story that a ball apparently
• 46:16
  Speaker 6: went off his hands and right to the to the
• 46:18
  Speaker 6: defense and practiced a couple of weeks ago.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: So skeptical of him, Yeah, I just you know, it's
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: just like you know, you take the cheese, you're not.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Taking the cheese. And there's just something about.
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: Him that it's the consistency for me, And that's what
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: I think you need to look for in his second
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: year at camp is day in, day out, being where
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: he's supposed to be catching what's thrown his way and
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: what's what's catchable, you.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Know, He's got a great personality.
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: He's very funny, and you know, I love any chance
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: I've had to be around him. He's, you know, got
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: this gravitational kind of pull to him. But at the
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: same time, sometimes I notice, like the guys who are
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: great in the NFL, there's a certain focus and edge
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: to them, and you know, attention to detail, and that's
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: the great one ones. And you might expect him to
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: be a good player, and that could be fine, but
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: for him to be a real impact player and for
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: them to say, you know, hey, I mean, in a
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: perfect groold to me, you're looking at we got dobbson Brown.
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: We just need that one guy who can bring some
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: speed down the field.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: And I don't see why it can't be Kyle Williams.
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: I mean those touchdowns he caught last year, you know,
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: great hands, doing what Booty essentially did, just not quite
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: at the same rate, but but not too far behind him.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: So I have high houses for him.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: I like the guy.
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: I liked the skill set, but I just think the consistency,
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: to me, is what needs.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: He had a couple I mean, most notably that Tampa
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Bay game, that wow moment where he just caught it
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: he was gone. But there's not enough of those, oh,
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: I mean just I mean the downfield catches too. I mean,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: I you know, I caught a couple.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: I don't know, it was probably on Twitter or something,
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: some of his highlights, but you know, it's.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Just he had a big one at Baltimore. That was
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: That was the one that stands out to me. The
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: other one who is kind of opened, but that one
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: was tough, tough catch right by the pylon, kind of
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: outside show. That wasn't it. That was a big time player.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: Started come back. I mean, it's a big time to
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: spark there.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Four quarter comeback the yeah, I mean it would you
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: know we need Kyle Williams.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: To Yeah, No, I'm like I said, I'm you know,
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: you start to see personality types, and you know, especially
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: in professional sports, and you're like, you know, the the loosey,
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: goosey fun guys. Like sometimes it works and it works
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: really well, and everybody loves that story. But you know,
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: I would always err more towards the side of the
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: goofy guys. Got to prove a little bit more to
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: me than you know, the guys who are the guys, the.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Serious football guys.
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: You know, I mean, talk about those guys too all
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: the time, where you know, the key on Whites of
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: the world doesn't guarantee that they're great, but you know,
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: it's just certain vibes.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: You know, it's a good job presenting both sides of
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: that argument. Like you know, you know, I like the
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: serious guy. Well, it doesn't always work that way either.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: On White was serious football dude, right question.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know he can play like.
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: The goofy guys that have succeeded. I'm trying to think
• 48:55
  Speaker 6: of it. I guess Gronk, Yeah, that's a good one.
• 48:58
  Speaker 6: You know, that's a good one.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: If you get the talent. It doesn't matter who.
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's hard to say. And you know, the
• 49:03
  Speaker 6: Patriots locker room usually it's more of the serious football guys.
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: Sure.
• 49:06
  Speaker 6: I mean I remember last year when Robert Splain was
• 49:08
  Speaker 6: coming back from that injury, and like, my goodness, looked
• 49:11
  Speaker 6: like one run through a brick wall lead them.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I was like, yeah, you know, it looked
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: like he.
• 49:17
  Speaker 6: Was still saying Gladiator going into the coliseum. But yeah,
• 49:23
  Speaker 6: there's not Gronk's a good one, but there's not very
• 49:25
  Speaker 6: many at all.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: And Gronk is Gronk you know.
• 49:28
  Speaker 4: Chad Chadko, you know, like, but yeah, again the guy
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: that you know, and then when it started to go
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: bad for him, it's not so fun anymore when he's
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: here in twenty eleven and not doing anything.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: And yeah, like you know you.
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: Think of like the mccordy's and Slater and you know,
• 49:42
  Speaker 6: High Tower and like those those types of guys that
• 49:45
  Speaker 6: were just intense.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: You know, right, Joe's in Pennsylvania. What's up, Joe?
• 49:52
  Speaker 8: Hey, guys?
• 49:52
  Speaker 12: Uh, just two questions, like comments, just frea gets your
• 49:56
  Speaker 12: opinions on. But first thing, one storyline I don't want
• 49:59
  Speaker 12: to hear this year is Remandre and his fumbles, Like
• 50:03
  Speaker 12: I just feel as though it's like like from my perspective,
• 50:05
  Speaker 12: he gets a clean slate because I really feel like
• 50:07
  Speaker 12: that affected the whole running back room, especially even Henderson.
• 50:11
  Speaker 12: And then second thing I saw on a promo for
• 50:14
  Speaker 12: the Colts, just a picture and it was showing Alex Pearson.
• 50:17
  Speaker 12: It just made me think like, oh, what could have
• 50:19
  Speaker 12: like the different scenarios that could have happened. But I'm
• 50:22
  Speaker 12: just happy that we ended up with aj Brown and
• 50:24
  Speaker 12: where we're at. But just just your comments on of those.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: Things, Okay, thanks. Well, we all talked about it.
• 50:28
  Speaker 6: If he doesn't fumble, the second one is good, Like
• 50:32
  Speaker 6: would you rather AJ Brown but trading the first round
• 50:37
  Speaker 6: pick for him or have just signed Alec Pearson free
• 50:39
  Speaker 6: agency and not having because I think A J.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: Brown is a better player, but.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Much better player I don't know right now, but much
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: better player career wise. Yeah, AJ Brown.
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: There is some intrigue to me. I think I'd probably
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: lean towards a J. Brown, But there is intrigue. And
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: we talked about at the time with Alec Pearce and
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: the skill set that Drake May has and that seems
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: like a pretty good matt But you know, even Alex
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: Pierce talked about I'm going to get this paycheck, I
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: have to do more, you know. So you'd be paying
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: him and you wouldn't have given the first round pick,
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: and you'd feel good about the baseline skill set of
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: getting down the field and throwing the ball to him.
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: But can he in a Josh McDaniels offense? Can he
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: be multiple? Can he open up doors for other people too?
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah? And that would be no question. If you gave
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: Pierce the contract that he signed to stay in Indy,
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: he would need to do more, and that the risk
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: would be that he kinda is a one dra pony
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: he's not capable of more, to which case I would
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: say that would be a bad signing. You've cast yourself
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: some money. If AJ Brown is on the decline. I
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: know he told us, you know, wait and see or
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: whatever how he finished that press conference. But if he
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: ends up just sort of being average run of the mill,
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: then you've wasted money like you would have with Pierce,
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: and you lost a first round pick. So there's risk
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: both ways. I mean, I don't think there's any comparison
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: of careers though, I mean AJ Brown is light years
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: better than.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: I think Aja.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: He's still a Yeah.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: He probably probably is. Yeah, probably is. Like I don't,
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: I think it's a projection. With Pierce, you're trying to
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: say that, like, yeah, he can go from fifty catches
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: to eighty catches and still you know, average sixteen plus
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: a catch or something like that. That's a projection. He's
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: never really done that.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Alexander in Toronto haven't been able to listen for a bit,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: being busy finishing up teachers College, But I was wondering,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: do you think the experience from last year with how
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: thin the running back room got down the stretch will
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: lead the team to carry an extra running back this season,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: possibly opening a path for Larison or the other UDFA
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: backups to make the roster.
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's Miles Montgomery, maybe the other ones.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know.
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: I just I mean, like in theory, it sounds great,
• 52:50
  Speaker 4: but I just don't know if these guys can play,
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: you know, like I don't know if Lann Larison is
• 52:53
  Speaker 4: an NFL player yet.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know if jam Miller is ready to come.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: Whoever, the best one of those guys is will probably
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: make it as the third running back. But do you
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: need more than three on the actor.
• 53:03
  Speaker 6: Now with the way the practice squad is set up now, Like, because.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Back in the day, you could get away with.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Four or fives to carry people used to run.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, I.
• 53:13
  Speaker 6: Remember those years when there's like you know, White Birkhead
• 53:17
  Speaker 6: early down back. Yeah, they had you know, guys like that.
• 53:21
  Speaker 6: They had sometimes they had four. So I think the
• 53:23
  Speaker 6: one year they might have carried five.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: I remember that. And so how they're going to use
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: them all? And people got hurt and they used every
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: one of them.
• 53:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, the Stephen Jackson goes on Bill. But the
• 53:33
  Speaker 6: the now with the way you can bring guys up
• 53:37
  Speaker 6: so easily back and forth from the practice squad. Usually
• 53:40
  Speaker 6: the fourth running back will we'll sign to your practice
• 53:43
  Speaker 6: squad and you keep them there.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: Uh, Max in Montana, I'd like a stat prediction receptions, yards,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: touchdowns from each of you for AJ Brown this season.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: The last time I was this excited about a player
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: we traded for was seven when Randy came to town
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: and ps, Paul, how is your pillow doing? It's actually
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: me he wants to talk. How is your pillow doing?
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: Since it's been a few months now. I like it.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: It's a good pillow. Yeah, it's a good pillows forming nicely.
• 54:10
  Speaker 8: Yep.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Prediction AJ Brown prediction stats.
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna do ninety catches for eleven hundred.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: Yards, touchdowns six six? Okay?
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: Are you happy with for one thousand and seven eighty?
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: About what he did last year?
• 54:32
  Speaker 8: Right?
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: I think so.
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: Somewhere in those ballparks names right.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Now, yeah, I like.
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: I like it's going to be the pure volume guy,
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: So I don't really see like one hundred plus catches.
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: I think, you know, it will be a little bit
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: more big play, but I think he's uh. I think
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: he'ld be productive. I think they'll find, you know, consistent
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: ways to get on the ball. But I think he's
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: going to fit in well as a COG. And I
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: think Dobbs should should have some volume.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: See if he catches eighty right, which would be a
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: down year for him, but the offense is top five
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: and other receivers are, you know, upping their game from
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: previous years. And I'm good with that. Brown, I think
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: he had eighty last that he had eighty, Okay, yeah, well.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Like I'm not sure I'm good with that. I'm saying
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: he maintains his consistency.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, as long as the offense as
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: a whole is more consistent against the better teams, then
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: I'm good with that signing. It's well worth the first
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: round pick.
• 55:31
  Speaker 6: I wonder, you know, the touchdowns. Maybe we're a little
• 55:33
  Speaker 6: low on that. Like red zone wise, he's definitely more
• 55:36
  Speaker 6: of a threat than what they've had, Like definitely more
• 55:39
  Speaker 6: of a red zone weapon than Digs. So I do
• 55:42
  Speaker 6: wonder if maybe he maybe it's only you know, a thousand,
• 55:47
  Speaker 6: eleven hundred yards, but does he have ten touchdowns?
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: You know? I think they need to be better down there.
• 55:53
  Speaker 6: First of all, just you know, they weren't very good
• 55:55
  Speaker 6: in the red zone all year last year offensively, so
• 55:58
  Speaker 6: hopefully having a guy like Bej Brown helps you there.
• 56:01
  Speaker 6: So maybe the touchdowns are closer to like the eight
• 56:04
  Speaker 6: to ten for me, but the yards I think are
• 56:06
  Speaker 6: about the same as what the guys said.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Canadian Mike in Not So Smelly Florida Big Head used
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: to always say that Florida stinks. It's a smelly state,
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: especially Florida. It's been a while since I emailed and
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: or called, been listening since the hot Dogs and Sausages years.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: Totally stoked about the team in the new era of
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: the gravel Patriots. I think he means favorable. But anyway, uh,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: as for aj and having an alpha dog wide receiver,
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: it's great that he wanted to earn his respect on
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: the team. However, is it better to have a Digs
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: type that just plays the alpha role or a guy
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: who's humble but talented. I only asked because wide receiver
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: is the one position, or a slightly conceded guy tends
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: to be more productive, if that makes any sense.
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: I just think it's day one and he didn't want
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: to hok. I think he'll be I think he'll be fine.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: And it's like the.
• 57:03
  Speaker 6: Tone that Digs brought, Like, I thought there was an
• 57:06
  Speaker 6: intensity and a purpose and an energy that he would
• 57:09
  Speaker 6: bring to just every day, like just being around the team.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: Totally agree, And I think it was exactly what that
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: team needed. Yeah, you know, they had come off bad years.
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: There was no direction, especially in that room. I think
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: that room was really immature the previous year under Girod
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: Mayo the wide receivers yep. And I thought he was
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: exactly what the doctor ordered. You will not have any
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: issues with AJ Brown and confidence and swagger and all
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: that stuff. This is a guy who felt comfortable enough
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: while his team was going to a couple of Super
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: Bowls and still contending for them to question what was
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: going on. He was comfortable enough to you know, be
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: talking about the shortcomings of others and trying to fix
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: fix what he felt was wrong, right, wrong or indifferent.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: I'm not defending AJ Brown and I'm not criticizing him
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: for it, but I'm just trying to say this is
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: not like a shrinking Violet. This is a guy who's
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: very self assured and self confident.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Yep, all right, We're going to take a break. When
• 58:10
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• 58:13
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• 58:15
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  Speaker 16: It's kind of hard to you know, pinpoint one specific thing. Obviously,
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  Speaker 16: you know, the length of the season is something that
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  Speaker 16: rookies have to get used to and navigating through injury
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  Speaker 16: and things like that. But you know, you learn something
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  Speaker 16: new each week based on who you're playing, and you know,
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  Speaker 16: schematically and things like that.
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  Speaker 17: You aj is kind of the final piece of the
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  Speaker 17: off season puzzle. And what do you see him doing
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  Speaker 17: for the offensive totality?
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  Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean I think you know, whenever you can
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  Speaker 16: bring a player like that and you know, it obviously
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  Speaker 16: elevates everybody around him, and like I said, I think
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  Speaker 16: it's only going to help us.
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  Speaker 8: I think Caleb said that you reached out to him
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  Speaker 8: as soon as.
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  Speaker 5: He was drafted. What was that exchange, Lake, And what
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  Speaker 5: do you think of them so far? It's been awesome.
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  Speaker 16: I'm super excited to have him here and I you know,
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  Speaker 16: continue to get to know him.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 16: But you know, last year or the year before, whenever
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  Speaker 16: I got drafted, you know, Morgan reached out to me,
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  Speaker 16: and you know it's obviously you know, feels good whenever
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  Speaker 16: guys on the team reach out so I wanted to
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  Speaker 16: you know, reciprocate that, you know, plan on me and
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  Speaker 16: him being here for a while together. So starting a
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  Speaker 16: relationship as soon as possible was something that I wanted
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  Speaker 16: to do. And yeah, and I'm super excited for the
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  Speaker 16: future with him.
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  Speaker 17: Drink said something along the lines if you have any
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  Speaker 17: chip on your shoulder this offseason, where where does that
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  Speaker 17: come from?
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  Speaker 18: And what do you hope to prove?
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  Speaker 5: I'm just trying to do my job for the team. Uh,
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  Speaker 5: you know, Yeah, what was like for you.
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  Speaker 1: After the Super Bowl? Coming down and thinking back and
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  Speaker 1: looking back onto here and basically out what was your
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  Speaker 1: time like and now getting to where you want to
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  Speaker 1: be out going forward?
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  Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean after the season, my my number one
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  Speaker 16: goal was just you know, obviously, you know, take a
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  Speaker 16: couple of days away and you know, just kind of
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  Speaker 16: assess everything with you know, the coaches and things like that,
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  Speaker 16: you know, pinpointing down what we feel like I do
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  Speaker 16: really well and then things that I need to get
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  Speaker 16: better at, and uh, you know, getting back healthy. And
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  Speaker 16: I did PT five days a week the entire off
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  Speaker 16: season until we got back, basically just trying to you know,
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  Speaker 16: rebuild you know, the strength of my need to get
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  Speaker 16: it back to where it was previously. Uh, and I
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  Speaker 16: feel like I did a good job with that. And
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  Speaker 16: uh yeah, just just working training, uh, you know, trying
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  Speaker 16: to put myself in the best position possible to come
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  Speaker 16: back in the best shape I can h and things
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  Speaker 16: like that.
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  Speaker 5: Much you think you can help killed since your rookie
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  Speaker 5: season so fresh.
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  Speaker 16: In your mind, Yeah, I think you know, not only me,
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  Speaker 16: but there's a lot of guys in the room that
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  Speaker 16: can help them.
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  Speaker 5: I mean me Morgan obviously. You know.
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  Speaker 16: It's it's nice whenever you have a guy and it's
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  Speaker 16: gonna sound as old as Morgan, uh, but you know,
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  Speaker 16: he's so he has so much knowledge and you know
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  Speaker 16: he wants to share it with everybody. And you know
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  Speaker 16: that's what part of him, you know, making him such
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  Speaker 16: a good teammate, as he wants to help everybody around him.
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  Speaker 16: So I think it's awesome, you know, for me to
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  Speaker 16: be able to, you know, tell Caleb some things and
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  Speaker 16: you know Morgan no telling more because Morgan's seen it all.
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  Speaker 17: There was ways that you're looking to doing a job
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  Speaker 17: in your two be in the area for improvement. What
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  Speaker 17: are some of the biggest areas where you look at
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  Speaker 17: specifically and see that you have growth potential.
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  Speaker 5: You're saying, like, what that's doing my job? Me?
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  Speaker 17: In your Yeah, I like, what are the areas you
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  Speaker 17: feel like you can where you can get better everywhere?
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  Speaker 16: I mean, nobody is a finished product. It's not you know,
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  Speaker 16: one specific thing that I'm gonna you know, nail that.
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  Speaker 16: I work at everything every day.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 16: You know, like I said before, say, I'm twenty two,
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  Speaker 16: so I'm a long way from where I'm gonna be,
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  Speaker 16: you know, in the future. So it's not like I'm
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  Speaker 16: great at everything and here's one little thing. I'm building
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  Speaker 16: everything every day and trying to make everything as a
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  Speaker 16: whole better. And by doing my job is doing what
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  Speaker 16: the coaches teach and what they're asking us to do.
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  Speaker 5: On the specific play at.
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  Speaker 16: I mean, I think I got the worst of the
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  Speaker 16: pitching and the home run derby. Uh, and I think
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  Speaker 16: it might've been a little different story, but yeah, it
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  Speaker 16: was fun.
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  Speaker 5: I'm uh.
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  Speaker 16: I was a little sore after It's been a minute
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  Speaker 16: since I swung a baseball bat. But yeah, it was fun.
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  Speaker 16: I was super excited to be out there. It was
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  Speaker 16: great turnout. Uh, I think everybody had a good time.
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  Speaker 8: What were you go?
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  Speaker 17: Oh, I went through the injury last season and you
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  Speaker 17: have the fool off season to recover healthy.
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  Speaker 12: Wise, I do feel like you're one hundred percent back.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel good. I feel good.
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  Speaker 1: Twice this week. I'm mad at my I'm mad at myself.
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  Speaker 7: Ever today today I was like, you know what, it's
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  Speaker 2: It's supposed to be one of the busiest traffic happened,
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  Speaker 2: you know in recent man so Eric said, So I said,
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  Speaker 2: only there's traffic, but.
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  Speaker 7: Today at rush hour there's usually traffic. So I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 7: it's it's quarter of eleven in the morning. What could
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  Speaker 7: there and.
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  Speaker 2: The newest reader Jackknife on the Santa Anna.
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  Speaker 7: His his car is like stuck in trees in the
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  Speaker 7: meeting not an awful mess, And there's like I'm stuck
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  Speaker 7: in traffic and there are literally people like trying to
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  Speaker 7: get through on the breakdown lanes to try to get by,
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  Speaker 7: and all of a sudden, your hand, all the sirens
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  Speaker 7: are coming. There's cop after cop and then firetruck after
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  Speaker 7: fire truck, rescue squad. By the time we got up
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  Speaker 7: to the accident, there were a half dozen fire trucks
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  Speaker 7: blocking the passing lane because the sky literally there's like
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  Speaker 7: you know how some of the medians have like they
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  Speaker 7: dip down, but there's like vegetation and trees and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: This guy drove his car into the trees about five
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  Speaker 1: minutes later.
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  Speaker 7: And then earlier this week we had that thing down
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  Speaker 7: in Route one.
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  Speaker 1: Our web master gets stuck in it too.
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  Speaker 1: mini camp today, tomorrow and Thursday, we're gonna have access
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  Speaker 1: to all three. Can't wait, so again vrabel at twelve
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  Speaker 1: what three, four, five o'clock, you'll have a wrap up
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  Speaker 1: of what you guys saw at practice.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna, i think, try to shoot that by
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  Speaker 1: So hopefully it's up by five o'clock. So okay, get
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  Speaker 1: our full observations. Sounds good, yeah, Jacket and above right, Sin,
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  Speaker 1: What players are on the roster bubble between making the
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  Speaker 1: team and being cut? Who has stood out most during
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  Speaker 1: OTAs Who has been the biggest surprise? Well, this is
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: what player will be the biggest surprise by making the team.
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  Speaker 1: He's got all this stuff. It's it's too early for that.
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  Speaker 1: Too early.
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  Speaker 2: We're not August fifteenth.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's too early for bubbles like bubble. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: hate to burst your bubble, but we're not gonna put bubbles.
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  Speaker 4: There's opportunities, you know, the backup guards, the backup interior
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  Speaker 4: line behind Ben Brown.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there's probably a role there right now.
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  Speaker 4: I mentioned the cornerbacks, there's you know, some opportunity there
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  Speaker 4: for you know, fourth fifth defensive back. I think Brown,
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  Speaker 4: that sounds like I probably pretty I probably have him
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  Speaker 4: as a lean into a roster lock. But I think
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: we've talked about a little bit of it kind of
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: leans into you know, I think you said you want
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: the Patriots maybe to consider playing more dime this year.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: Is you know, where does that dime player come from?
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: Is it an extra safety, is it an extra linebacker,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: is it an extra cornerback.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: You don't really know who that.
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  Speaker 4: Depth is as you get into more of the sub packages,
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  Speaker 4: so you know, and it's more to me than just
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: like can a guy make the team. It's like any
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 4: of these guys have something special, you know, like that's
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: you know, not I know special.
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  Speaker 1: Makes it unique. But there's a bunch of different players
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  Speaker 1: that I think will have opportunities.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it's great in theory to say, oh,
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  Speaker 6: just play six defensive backs. But the teams that lead
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 6: the league and usage of six defensive backs are the
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  Speaker 6: Chargers with Derwin James and the Ravens with Kyle Hamilton
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  Speaker 6: and the Seahawks with Nick Ammon. Worry they do it
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  Speaker 6: because they have an elite player that plays that real
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  Speaker 6: hybrid role. I don't know if the Patriots really have that.
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  Speaker 6: You know, the guy that they have moved around those
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 6: is Mike Brown, who's played a little bit in the
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 6: back end, a little bit over the slot so far
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 6: this spring, and he's got a little bit more size
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 6: to him, I would say than like Adel Pettis, So
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 6: maybe you know, that allows him to play a little
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  Speaker 6: bit closer to the line of scrimmage more effectively. So
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  Speaker 6: I think in theory it would be great to do that,
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  Speaker 6: but you know, you have to have the horses to
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  Speaker 6: be able to be good at it.
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  Speaker 3: If you want to do it.
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  Speaker 4: Actually, I've read an interesting article I've subscribed to Match
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  Speaker 4: Quarters this week. I was like, you know, I'm gonna
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: do a little football research here to the offseason, and
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  Speaker 4: he had a really interesting breakdown just.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: About the safety position for the Patriots last year and.
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  Speaker 4: How really Hawkins and Woodson became such balanced players that
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  Speaker 4: in the playoffs, they're blitzing them, they're dropping them.
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  Speaker 1: They're kind of interchangeable, you know, guys.
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  Speaker 4: And what he surmises is, you know what happens with
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  Speaker 4: Bayer Buyer more of like the traditional middle of the
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  Speaker 4: field safety kind of type. Does that mean more opportunity
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  Speaker 4: for Woodson maybe to focus on more of a traditional
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: you know, roll closer to the box.
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  Speaker 1: Where he's gonna be able to make more plays.
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  Speaker 4: So I just, you know, I think there's some interesting
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  Speaker 4: evolution that could possibly happen to along those lines. But
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  Speaker 4: I think those three safeties are probably pretty much penciled in, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Dan write sind he doesn't say where he's from.
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  Speaker 1: Eric wouldn't like that.
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  Speaker 9: Now.
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  Speaker 1: As I was watching Will Campbell's press conference during the break,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: I couldn't help but come away even more confident in him.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: Sometimes I forgot how young he still is. I'm expecting
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: a big bounce back season from him, and I think
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: the offensive line as a whole is going to take
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: a major step forward. I feel like Campbell has gotten
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: a bit of a bad rap. Last season. He battled
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: through an injury and played more games than he had
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: ever had before, which isn't always easy for a young player.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: Despite the criticism, I'm still a true believer in Will
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: Campbell and what he can become. I think he's going
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: to prove a lot of people wrong this year. I'm
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: with you, Dan, team Campbell. It's an easy player to
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: roof for.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I still like hit his performance in the
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 4: locker room after the Super Bowl when we were back
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: here and he kind of, you know, talked to the media.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 4: It took some time out, but you know, he's been
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  Speaker 4: a very st stand up guy. You know, the performances
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: are what they are, but it's easy to root for
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: somebody like that, who just you know.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: I like that he's measured and how he talks. He doesn't.
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  Speaker 4: You know, some guys when they first get here, I
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: feel like rookies in front of the camera, they'd say
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 4: they keep talking and talking, just stop talking, you know,
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  Speaker 4: don't say too much. And Campbell seems to understand that
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  Speaker 4: pretty much.
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  Speaker 6: I just wonder if if he plays the way he
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 6: did before the knee injury the first thirteen to fourteen
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 6: weeks of the season, Like, how do we feel about that?
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: Is that is that a good that good enough?
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 6: You know, I think it's it was probably middle of
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 6: the road, like average left tackle play.
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  Speaker 3: You know, that's just what he is.
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  Speaker 6: You know, Is that good enough to commit to that being,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 6: you know, the left tackle for the next five to
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 6: ten years or do you need better at that position?
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 6: I think is the question because I kind of give
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 6: him the benefit of the doubt about the playoffs too,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 6: and the knee and you know, the gaumblet of pass
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 6: rushers he faced. But the the first fourteen games, if
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 6: we're giving them a kind of an out for the
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 6: playoffs because of the injury, do we feel like that's
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 6: that's good, that's good enough to win with I don't know.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 6: I do, but I'm some other people might not.
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  Speaker 1: Sam's in North Carolina. What's up? Sam?
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  Speaker 8: Hey?
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  Speaker 1: What's hey? Sam?
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  Speaker 19: I know my brain was coming up. And that's what
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 19: the critical that with Harry. So I love the spot
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 19: that we're in, Like, like, it's not going to be
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 19: fourteen wins this year. I want everybody to understand that.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 19: But we've upgraded literally almost every position, and the fact
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 19: that ESPN and M is putting us at fourteenth like
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  Speaker 19: that gives us something to prove, and that's what you
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 19: want I'm so glad they're not glossing us and like, oh,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 19: the Patriots is great, they're going to be there. I'm
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 19: glad it's not that this off season. It gives us
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 19: something to prove and something to fight for. It Like
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 19: Brabel's got his situation, everybody's got a situation. I just
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 19: I love the fact that they're not gloss in us
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 19: this year. And how do y'all feel about that? And
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 19: I'll take it off there.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I really don't care that much about it.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: But if it works, it works. If they can use it, fine,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: But I don't think that one list really matters that much.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: It was based on an algorithm that they put into
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: a no, it's all numbers, a number number.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: But I think the bigger thing, and I've heard this
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: from some of the players that we've heard from early,
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: is the schedule. I think that they're they want to
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: prove that they weren't a product of the schedule, and
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: I think they're they're using they're trying to use that.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: I think it's a rallying point.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 6: That's a good one because because that's really a lot
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 6: of guys out of Jacksonville are like saying similar things.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 6: About not being a one hit wonder and proving that
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 6: it has staying power and sustainability. But they're building. I
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 6: think both teams are in similar spots.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: But you know, they're you know, the coach, first year coach,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: he's got to prove that it wasn't a flash in
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: the pan. So they yeah, they those are real things. Yeah,
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: you know, that schedule thing was a real thing. It was,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: in fact, one of the easiest schedules in the last
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: thirty forty years whatever on paper. So that's a fact.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: It is a fact that this year the schedule on
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: paper is tougher. So if you do really well this year,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: that goes a long way to saying this team really
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: is good.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: They didn't you know, Yeah, it could be the first
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: making of kind of and whatever. And I talked about
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: they had a special personality last year. They kind of
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: developed all these unique kind of off the field characteristics.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: This might be the beginning of, you know, something that
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 4: they try to latch onto and use as a coaching staff.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: The old nobody respects us. Nobody was bringing Rodney the
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: NFL season. Let him give them the pep talk. You know,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: no one believes in us. Everyone's against us, even though
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: we're favorite in every game. But that's all right, it works.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: Deuce is onto something about serious football guys. In the NFL,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: Dominican Sue, the All Pro defensive tackle for the Lions,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: gave his teammates the impression that he was unfriendly. One
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: teammate told the story of going to Sue on the
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: bench after Sue had recorded a sack to force a punt.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: Sue brushed him off. He didn't want to be bothered
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: with congratulations. After the game, the teammate confronted Sue in
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: the locker room. Sue reportedly said that when he got
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: to the bench after the sack, he immediately began visualizing
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: his next great play, and being congratulated was getting in
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: the way.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: So that's is that the focus you're talking about? Well, well,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 4: I mean that's that's intense. I mean, that's the that's
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: the extreme end. But that's a lot of guys, right,
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's you can keep Yeah, that's I know,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 4: he was he was a special guy, but you know,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: generally speaking, yeah, I mean, and there's just you know,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: there's not a lot of goofy guys, and.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: So I think those things are funny. Donik Cansou was
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: a really good player, right, I mean he was overshadowed,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: that was overshadowed by his sturdy play. But he was
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: a really good player. Maybe could he have been better
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: if maybe he or was he as good as he
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: was just because of that, Like, I think you can
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: make arguments both both sides of that. I'm not suggesting
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: that he should be like this happy, go lucky gronk
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: type and not care about football, but maybe if he
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: was a little bit better of a teammate, might that
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: have made him a better player? You know, because that
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: doesn't sound like he was very much fun to play
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: with if he were on his team and he was
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: brushing you aside because he was visualizing his next great play,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: like caldn't it be a little like well.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: You know, going back to the Patriots, I remember John Hannah.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: You know the stories were like before a game, you
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: don't go talk to John Hannah. He had he wants
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: nothing to do with you because he is like focused
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: like on the game and getting ready, and you don't
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: talk to John Hanna.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: Now could you talk to John Hannah after he like
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: blew out a hole so Sam Cunningham could run? I
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: don't know, my guess is you probably could. Yeah, you know,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: cause I think a lot of guys before a game
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: is not the time to, you know, like ask how
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: the wife and family are.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: But I just know that Hannah was tough on his teammates.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: He was tough on it.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 6: And then there's Michael Jordan who was like, you know,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 6: this apex of being tough on your teammates. Tony Kukach
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 6: worked for him. I mean just you just put him in,
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 6: stuff him in a locker, you know.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: And Larry Bird was tough on his teammates. Yeah.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 6: I think a lot of those guys are are just
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 6: like that, like, yeah, intense.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's right. Maybe that's maybe that worked
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: for Sue as well. He was a really good player.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: I think he could have been better.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 6: You know, Jordan was more just like he would just
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 6: rip your heart out in practice and like just like
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 6: show it to you.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: It wasn't Tom Brady tough on his especially the receivers.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean getting in the circle of trust was
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 6: the thing we talked about all the time.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, yeah, yeah, I mean I think that'd be
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: another one. I would but I would argue the suicide
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: of Brady like he was. He was ridiculously hot on receivers.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: Maybe if he was a little bit relented. Now you
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: could make an argument, then he wouldn't have won all
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: those I would argue that maybe he might have gotten
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: a contribution or two out of someone else that didn't
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: really contribute, and maybe they would have won more.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it is just interesting.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: Like Gronk.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 6: You guys pointed out Gronk, But at the top of
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 6: my head, I can't think of a ton of matt Light,
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 6: happy go lucky kind of guys.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: Maybe some linemen.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the common denominator. Like, nobody worked harder than Gronk.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: No one was more serious about football than Gronk when
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: he needed to be serious about football. But he had
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: that switch like when when we're just doing whatever I
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 2: can be, you know, Yosoi Fiesta.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: But make no mistake, Gronk was an extremely dedicated, smart
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: for ball player. He knew what he was doing. Randy Moss,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: you know, Bill Belichick used to call one of the
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: smartest players he was ever around. You know, so you
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: don't necessarily play football the way your persona is. You know,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: in those cases, they might have come across as not
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: really caring, but they really, you know, they were very
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: serious about their craft as they as they say.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 4: Rich Orenberger was another like goofy, funny guy offense.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 6: I mean, there's a lot of guys like that defensive line,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 6: but I don't know if they were they were like great.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 6: You know, like there's a lot of guys in the
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 6: offensive line that we've covered that have been good players,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 6: that were really nice guys or happy, go lucky kind
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 6: of guys, but they're not Hall of famers.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: Got a lot of busts in the Hall of Fame
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: with big smiles. It's all yeah, you know. I mean
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: another Sam in North Carolina. He says, I hate listening
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: to people that have no idea about player development. They
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: talk like the player or players that were drafted or
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: a finished product. I think Will Campbell will make a
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: huge leap this year. He will never get extensions in
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: the elbow, but his athletic and he's smart enough to
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: learn and execute a technique to stop the rushers from
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: beating him outside in that counter move. Wilson is a center,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: but got a full year of experience and now uh
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: slots back into the position. I think the line will
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: be just fine. If we can only get Joe Thomas,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: Joe Toney, Jason Kelsey, Zach Martin, and Lane Johnson, we'd
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: be all set.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: Who's he talking about?
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: I think he's talking about people who look at a
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: player in their first year and say that's who he is.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: Seems a little straw man to me.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: So they didn't have a great draft last year then,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: because there wasn't that the consensus, like all those guys started,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: you know, Wilson Campbell, Woodson, Woodson, I mean the kicker.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 2: I mean they had a good draft. I mean Traveon.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: Henderson's Julian Ashby didn't hear his name.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: Never once, Travon Henderson Like, So were they not as
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: good as everybody gave them credit for a share of
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: the draft?
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: I just hope they're better.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: They're going to be even better better you will, probably, right, Fred,
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: That's probably what he was getting at, Fred, right, that
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: you have a knack of being.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: Able to watch the line. I'm crazy fans just like
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: they are, so I think crazy. Jean Luke from Tennessee
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: originally Rhode Island, I am shocked, shocked. He says that
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: no one has brought up when it comes to the A. J.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: Brown trade. The last time the Pages traded a first
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: round pick for a wide receiver, it was twenty seventeen
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: for Brandon Cooks. I'm expecting at least a Josh Gordon
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: twenty eighteen impact without the off field problems from Brown.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: I hope it's a lot more than that.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: I hope it's closer to the Cooks right.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: I think the Cooks one's hard because they flipped them.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: Back for another first right.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: Right, yeah, Isaiah win huh yeah, exactly as.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: Fred called him when Isaiah Windard.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 6: But because they traded it Isaiah, when they had two picks,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 6: they could take Sony Michelle, but also another great one.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah. This might be more of a question for Barth,
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: but Matthew and Cally has one for Evan. He says,
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: are there any guys in the UFL that you think
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: would be good to bring in as depth for the
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: Patriots catch tomorrow? The UFL?
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I watched a little of the playoffs more than quality, No,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: I think I think.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: The kind of schemes we got going on.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 6: A lot of it's NFL stuff because they're trying to
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 6: get those players looks for the NFL so it's their
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 6: pro style systems. It's not like anything gimmicky. Maybe it
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 6: would be if it was gimmicky, it might actually be
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 6: like more fun to watch. But they're trying to use
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 6: it as like a developmental league.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, call me whatever, elitist, you know what, I
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: have absolutely no interest in watching anything less than Division one,
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: COLL or NFL when it comes to football, nothing I have.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: I have so many other things I'd rather be doing.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, every once in a while, there's a guy that
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 6: you know does get signed by an NFL team.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: In stick, there's a lot of NFL like names. I'm
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: not telling you their NFL players because there is a difference.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, but he actually played.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, Jeremiah Farms is one of them.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: Handler was on it. You know, he was in camp
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: a couple of years ago, wasn't he. kJ Hamler im
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: If you, if you like, put on a game and
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: you listen to say five plays, you will hear five
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: names that are familiar to you. Now, I'm not telling
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: you their NFL players because in a lot of cases
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: they went to camp, they didn't make it, and they're
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: trying to, you know, get another another sniff. But there
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: are names that you you've heard of, you know, like
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: a Keem Butler, you know Eldred's old friend who never
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: really made it in the league, you know, Ben Ben Denucci. Yeah, like,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: there's not there's not a ton of talent, but there
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: are guys that are names like to your point for
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: and I get like, I'm with you. I don't watch
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: I don't watch these games either, but it's more so
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: because of the time that they were Like, you know,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: it's nice out, I don't want to be sitting around
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: watching a football game. But they're all guys that played
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 2: Division one college football. Oh yeah, So it's not like
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: they don't have any talent, you know, it's just a
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: little ragged.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 6: I just I just I still think back under the
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 6: roster players in the NFL should be able to play
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 6: in the spring leaks.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 3: That's that's yeah.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: I wonder how the team, like if you ask Mike
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: Rabel in his you know, in the you know, Elliott
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: Wolf and those guys, could you get the back half
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: of those roster guys more prepared to play by playing
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: right now in the UFL, or by being part of
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: your offseason program, and then if they played a ten
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: game season in the UFL. Now you're asking them what
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: you know, take take a month off, and then we'll
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: see you, you know, mid July.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: Are there like eight? I think like if UFL teams
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: were truly farm teams for the pro, so Josh McDaniels say,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: this is what I want you to run. These are
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: the things I want you to work on with this guy,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: it would have more value. But like it does like
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: you can't do what you're talking about because you can't like,
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know what they're running. I don't know what
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: kind of system it. You know, it doesn't really prepare
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: you for my team.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 6: But I think that there's ways around that because you
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 6: can it's not gonna be Josh McDaniels running it, but
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 6: you can have coaches that there's only certain like a
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 6: handful of buckets of offenses that are run, you know,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 6: they're like so it's not like there's you know, all
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 6: thirty two teams are running thirty two different offenses. So
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 6: in theory, you could have you know, a couple of
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 6: teams are running you know, West Coast Shanahan style stuff,
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 6: a couple teams are running McDaniel's EP kind of stuff.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 6: A couple of teams are running more spread college kind
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 6: of offenses like Washington does or whatever, and you could
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 6: kind of put your players on the different systems. I
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 6: just think, especially for I'm in in particular, the stuff
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 6: they're doing now, they might be learning more in terms
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 6: of the mental side of it, but physically there's no
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 6: development because they're not in pads and they're not hitting anybody.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 6: So like, in just a in theory, like could a
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 6: Marcus Bryant get more out of actually getting live reps
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 6: against other guys that could be on a ninety man
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 6: roster in the NFL this time of year versus you know,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 6: the pajama party that we're about to see in an
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 6: hour where they're you know, in a basketball stance just
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 6: trying to slide and say there might be I like,
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 6: that was the one time I thought Dan Campbell had
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 6: had a good line.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: So I hope, so what's going on and he's just
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: stop talking?
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: Well, I just I think it's a question too though,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: just because we have a caller to talk about development
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 4: of players, Like, you know, do the NFL coaches feel
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 4: like they're unable to develop players? You know, like a
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 4: guy like Jeremiah Farms, who is through three regimes now
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 4: held on at the bottom of the roster, and he's
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: from time to time been called up and.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: Filled in and you know, even been signed to the
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: active roster.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: But would his like, would his career trajectory be any
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: different if he.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: Was playing in games in the spring or you.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 4: Know, I just I think the question for me is,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: do the coaches feel like there's a lack of development
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 4: and we can't impact these players, that they're not playing
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: a guy like Marcus Bryant, we don't have enough to
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: give them.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 6: I think offensive line wise, yes, I mean that's just
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 6: what the narrative is around it. But I think it's
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 6: less about like, okay, Marcus Brian would all of a
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 6: sudden turn into like, you know, prime Joe Thomas, and
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 6: more about like, okay, Marcus Bryant might be a quality backup,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 6: you know, with more live reps, and that just increases
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 6: the level of play around the league because these guys
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 6: are just the backups are getting better.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 2: I do think there's a way. I don't know exactly,
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: I don't have all the answers, but I do think
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: there would be a way to do what Evan's talking about,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: maybe moving up a little bit, so by the beginning
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: of June. Like right now we're in the beginning of
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: June and they're in the playoffs. Maybe you move it
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: up a week or two so it's done by now.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: You give the players that play in that league a
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: little time to rest and recuperate and still be able
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: to realistically get into training camp not all beaten up.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: You know, there's got to be a way to do it.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: And maybe it's as simple as what Evan's talking about.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: You get, you know, all the offensive all the teams
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: get together and say what, okay, what kind of system
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: would you like your offensive players to run in? And
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: you put all those guys on a team that's going
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: to run, you know, some version of the McVeigh offense.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: You know, if that's what you want, and you know,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: eight ten teams, you could probably figure it out and
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: get players the personnel, divide it up properly.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 4: Le's got to be a way up, like wrap it
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 4: up before the draft though, you know, like start it
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 4: right in February, like after the Super Bowl, and you've
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 4: got a guy like Marcus Bryan who's barely played and
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 4: you know it is in shape, and can you plug
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 4: him right into another league. It's not going to affect
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 4: the offseason here, you know. Granted he doesn't get a vacation,
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: he doesn't get any.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: Off of play in March, in April, and then and
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: then you're done. You get on the roster and all
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, you know, May, you're finishing up the
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: regular season. You get a couple of weeks of playoffs,
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: then you're done, and then again you get some time
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: to rest before you have to get back here at
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: the end of July for camp.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: You mentioned Marcus Bryant, who's huge. I met the German
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: guy Lorez met. My god, he's a mountain. Is he
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: any good?
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: He's big, he's big, He's German.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he speaks German.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: He came in late last year and a practice.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: Squat late last he walked through the locker.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: My god, is he huge.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: When we were over at the new facility, the new
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: balanced building, and we had that like walk through that
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: they gave us the little Dime tour and we had lunch,
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: he was in there, and it's just like everything just
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: stops when you see a guy that size. Yeah, like
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: just how much bigger? I didn't I said, I had,
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: I said I have a little instrud you know, he
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: is the Rinds.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but like it would be great if he was
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: really good.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 4: I know, Well, it seems like they got a type
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 4: of tackle I mean Crown over Bryant.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Matt, I mean.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 6: The Campbell's ands Like Campbell and were very very similar builds.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 6: So it's it's they go one way or the other.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 6: They either go for those types of guys.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: On the left mountains on the Paul in the colony.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: If it happens, or it happened, what would hard Landry
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: be a surprise cut?
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 4: Yes, I mean injuries notwithstanding or impacting that, you know,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 4: is it just in that regard, I would say more
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 4: of a retirement than like we're just gonna cut him.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he's not a part
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: of the team this year. But I think Mike just
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: illustrated it perfectly.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 4: That would be the way, maybe the biggest X factor
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 4: for me on on the team right now.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: Just what where's he at? I mean maybe he's out there.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 4: I don't know what extent of his surgery he had.
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 4: I mean sometimes people have clean up surgeries in a
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 4: couple of months they're back in so maybe he's good
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 4: to go.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: So you have no idea what his status is, but
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: yet you say it would be a surprise cut if
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: they cut him.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like I'm telling like, I wouldn't be
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: an overly surprising development if he's not on the team.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: But I just think that he would be like, you
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: know what, my knee's not responding.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: Okay, one of the first picks they went and signed
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 4: when they got here. You know, the relationship between him
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 4: and Rabel they've talked about off the field incredibly close.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 4: He was a captain last year. He had He has
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 4: a skill set at a position that's not the thickest
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 4: or you know, deepest or most proven position. So I
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: would be surprised. And I just there's a range though
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 4: of like come back and he's still really solid player,
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 4: or this is somebody who.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: We're going to need to replace sooner than later.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah, unfortunately it has The thought has crossed my mind
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 6: of is he one of those guys? Remember James White,
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 6: you know, tried to give it a go. Two weeks
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 6: into train in camp. He was like, it's just not
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 6: it's not happening. The body's not bouncing back, and I
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 6: hope that doesn't happen with him, but it was something
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 6: that I thought about with Landry is it could go
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 6: that direction if you know, the knee just is chronic
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 6: and is just not going to get better.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: And because we.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 4: Don't even really know that last year was even a
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 4: mystery and that I mean, it looked like when it happened,
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 4: what was Saints.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: Oh like, it looked like that's it.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 4: That was his aco or mcl at least, and then
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 4: it was like an ankle on the injury report. Then
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 4: was back to knee and you know, it was just bizarre.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 4: They were still playing him at the end, but he
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 4: wasn't really anything like the player he was the first
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 4: four or five weeks of the season.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: Uh, let's see who's Noah in Toronto. I've heard a
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: lot of Patriots media members saying that the Bills roster
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: got worse this offseason. Alex Barth did it. Actually, they
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: didn't have any major personnel losses besides the guard David Edwards,
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: but add DJ Moore, Bradley Chubb, a lot of secondary
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: players plush theirs more specifically the coach McDermott for Brady
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: unknown skill positions, Reggie Gilliam, DJ Moore upgrade, O line,
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: David ed David Edwards, Austin Corbett downgrade, D line added,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: Bradley Chubb, t J. Parker upgrade and secondary Taron Johnson,
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: cam Lewis, go to d Alford, CJ. Gardner, Johnson, GINO Stone,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah. He thinks that's an upgrade.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 6: So I think that that the biggest question is those names.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 6: He said at the end. Defensively, they're turning the roster over.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 6: Was the lot of those guys Milano, Uh, Tron Johnson,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 6: who was a terrific player for them at the Nickel
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 6: for many years, their safeties like all these guys that
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 6: were the twenty twenty to the twenty twenty three, twenty
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 6: twenty four Buffalo bills. That for a wagon, those guys
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 6: are all aging out and they're they're turning that part
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 6: of the roster over. So is the email correct that
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 6: d Alford and these other guys are better than better fits?
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, by the question there you know our t J.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: Parker is t J Parker hit.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 6: Bradley Chubb is one of the worst free agent contracts
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 6: anybody handed out all off seasons.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: So that one.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: I don't necessarily agree.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 6: But but you know these other moves that they've made
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 6: or to replace guys that were kind of like, you know,
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 6: big deals there that they were. They were pretty you know,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 6: well known, like high commodity players for them for years
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 6: and and they've aged out. So you know, Milata is
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 6: still a free agent. You know, he's he's still available.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 6: But those guys are getting replaced, and are they right?
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: Are they?
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 6: Do they hit on the replacements? Is gonna gonna be
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 6: the big question with them?
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: Darius and Louisville rights in. I want to say, love
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: the football season. And in the past I hated off
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: season because it took forever. But you guys make the
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: off season fast and fun, always good laughs and good debates.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: Keep up the work. One question, would you rather have
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: Brown and Dobbs each have one hundred and twenty or
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: more targets? Or have one you get one hundred and
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: fifty and the other seventy five.
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: I don't care if.
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: They're both gonna get that, if you're gonna get a
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: total of that much production.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no targets, he said, targets.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'd say spread it around.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 4: I just I mean to speak to the schedule, better teams,
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 4: better defenses. I think you gotta beat those teams by
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 4: a number of different ways. I don't think you're gonna
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 4: beat a lot of these teams because it's going to.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: Be the May and Brown show.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 4: I mean, maybe there'll be a game or two like that,
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 4: but I think these defense are going to challenge Drake
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 4: mate to spread the ball around. There's gonna be probably
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 4: plans to take Brown out of the equation, so you
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 4: know they're going to need some of the other lower
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 4: level receivers to step up too.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: Jadarius writes in I was thinking about which player could
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: become the number three safety. Any chance second year John
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: Saunders Junior comes out of nowhere and grabs the spot.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: Around, though we had a little bit out of the loop.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 4: We haven't seen any Brown. Mike Brown was in there.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 4: I am curious to see that. The tryout guy though
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 4: that they signed.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: Why.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 4: I mean, he's just got crazy. I mean he's got
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 4: the hair flowing. He looks like Troy Polamalam out there.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 4: He you know, hits like a bunch of bricks. I
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 4: don't know if he if he can play at this level,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 4: but he plays with good energy.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: So one guy interested to see.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Saunder's been around. He was here last year for
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 6: a while and it's never.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: Really heard anything.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: Other than a rookie last year.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 6: He's got good athletic profile. Big dude can run Colton Shreveport.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: We are officially getting into the summer down south, so
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: a little speculation time. While it's not a high value position,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: the big question I have on offense is what happens
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: post and when you For example, we draft low Moved
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: to potentially be replacing Morgan Moses. Do you think Big
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: Mike gets extended? Is the replacement currently on the roster
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: like Ben Brown? Or are we investing a top one
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: hundred pick next year. I don't know. He had a
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: little restructuring. He had a restructuring going, no new money
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: or anything for him.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: This will likely be his last year. The female is right.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: Feel I think that this go in a lot of
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: different ways. I think you could, I mean you could
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: definitely look to the draft to replace him. I think
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: that's a spot you can go to free agency and
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: get sort of a solid guy, or you can you know, ideally,
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: he drafted a lot of offensive lineman, someone that you
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: are learning about emerges as a potential guy. Now, is
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: that Ben Brown? I don't know, but I think there's
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: a lot of different ways they can go. I would
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: agree that when you's probably not going to be here
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: next year.
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 6: Even just based off of the type of player he is,
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 6: and the guys that are targeting are all athletes and
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 6: you know, smaller but athletic, and he just doesn't fit
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 6: the mold of what they're going after with Campbell and
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 6: Lomu and Wilson and even Verak Tucker, Like, I think
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 6: they want to get a lot more athletic on the
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 6: offensive line, and that just doesn't fit Big Mike. You know,
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 6: he's kind of the one guy that stands out to
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 6: me that you know, if you count him as part
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 6: of the future and you assume Lomu's you know, at
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 6: right tackle instead of Moses in the future, it's like, okay,
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 6: so you're gonna have four really super athletic, you know,
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 6: maybe giving up a little bit of play strength, but
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 6: super athletic offensive lineman and then one three and forty
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 6: pound guard just sitting in the middle. It just doesn't
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 6: it doesn't jive with the rest of the group. So
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 6: I for that reason, I would think that this is
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 6: probably his last year.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: No, John Darius Morgan, is there anything there?
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 4: I mean undrafted guy, but I mean you kind of
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 4: know the rest of the I mean, Makai Butler's been
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 4: around a little bit, Roughs, it's just been the one
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 4: who's been in there.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: Kiden Wallace has been here for a couple of years.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 4: There's just not a lot of guys that you know,
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 4: the guys that have been around unknown, so there's not
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: a lot.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: Of Hoimen Wallace would be the guy that I would say,
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: in a perfect world, someone like that would develop enough
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: to be in the mix. Now it doesn't look like
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: he has, you know, through two years. But you know,
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know't wouldn't that be a better That would
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: be a better path to me a guy that you
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: took in the third round two years ago to replace
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: a big money left right guard, then going on the
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: free agent market and having to put big money into
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: a right guy again. Like, I just think that that's
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: a position that you should be world. You should be
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: able to save some money at right guard. And you know,
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: and no fault of his own, he's played well. He
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: earned that contract that he got.
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: Just want to remind everyone. I don't know, maybe five
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: minutes or so, Rabel will be live. So at that
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: time we'll say goodbye, We'll feed you of Rabel's live
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: press conference in full. We'll head out to practice, and
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: then these guys will be back after practice at some
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: point with a recorded It won't be live, but a
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: recorded recap of everything they saw today. So full day
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: here at Patriots Unfiltered with Mini Camp. Matt writes in
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: I'm really excited to see Henderson break out this season.
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are going to be
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: surprised with how much more effective he is given the
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: new talent we have at wide receiver and the old
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: line and the full back. What would the full.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: Back is the biggest piece for him potentially if it
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: works out that way.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: What would be a break out season for Henderson? Looked
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: like to you? Break out?
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 6: I don't know, I mean he had nine hundred yards,
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 6: twelve yards, twelve hundred yards, yeah, you know, yeah?
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: Or I mean maybe rather than just focusing on the numbers,
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: just say like Rabel talked about the consistency, So maybe
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: he doesn't have four touchdowns of fifty yards or more,
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: but he just yeah, routinely covers you up for six
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: and seven at a time. Yeah, pass blocking and past
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: blocking crood. That's good. That's a good one.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Ralph is in Haiti? What's up? Ralph?
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 8: Hey, what's going on?
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 5: Fellas?
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 20: I haven't called in a while, and I'm super super
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 20: excited about this year.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 19: You have no idea.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 20: I got the Haysion fan Club. We're about to get
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 20: it crazy and we're coming to jill As Stadium. This
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 20: this for the Scott game?
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: For which game?
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: Scott Gott? Yeah, Scotland.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, all right, the whole what is hey? These
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: chances in that game?
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 8: Are you?
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: Are you gonna win?
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 20: Of course we're gonna win. What are you talking about?
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: Who's the best?
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 20: Everybody? Everybody, Let's put it that way. I'm not setting
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 20: up no disappointments. Yeah yo, but listen, I got two points, man, Like,
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 20: it's real quick. I don't know how y'all feel about it. Uh,
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 20: line looks good. Just move Campbell to the inside and
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 20: start the rookie and then after that, if we don't
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 20: get digs, I say, let's get a draft pick for
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 20: for Booty and then line up five receivers. Sounds good
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 20: with me with Brown and Hoping and Williams in as
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 20: a speasters, they'll get crazy. But if we do get Digs,
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 20: I'm not mad at it because he gets open regardless
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 20: how whether he lost speed or not, he still gets
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 20: open on those intermediate routes. And we line up those
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 20: those three top dogs, it's gonna be a problem for
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 20: everybody else.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: That's all. I gotta would be something to say, Ralph,
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: have a good time at the game. Absolutely, good luck. Yeah,
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: that is awesome.
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  Speaker 8: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Scott and Irvine, Kentucky.
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  Speaker 2: Scotland's uh minus one and a half.
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  Speaker 1: So oh that's a huge one. Yeah right, yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: it's soccer and every.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: Every game is assumed to end in the school is tie,
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  Speaker 2: so minus one and a half is significant. That's like
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: being favored by like twenty eight boomer alert.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be rooting for Haiti. Why not. I got a
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  Speaker 1: root for Scott. You have to because.
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  Speaker 3: One team the US of A.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, the good that's it. No, they're not Johnny Patriot.
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  Speaker 3: When it comes to the sports team.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, they have like I think the tenth best odds
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  Speaker 6: to win the tournament, which is you're saying that interests
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  Speaker 6: and probably because it's home mostly.
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  Speaker 1: But it would be great for them to do a run.
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  Speaker 6: I just want to Can they win a knockout round game?
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  Speaker 6: That would make doubt.
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  Speaker 4: To me, sounds like from what I've gathered in my
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 4: limited research of this, that making the knockout round.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: That's like seen as if you do that, that's the
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: like ball.
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  Speaker 6: If they don't, if they get grouped, then we're then
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  Speaker 6: all of them can just walk home.
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  Speaker 1: But if they they.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 6: They should, they might have to should they should get
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 6: out of the group easily. But soccer, I would just
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 6: like them to win a knockout round game. I think
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  Speaker 6: that would be cool.
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  Speaker 4: That's like, what what's the best Evan non football is
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 4: like hockey? Evans basketball Evan or soccer? Evan basketball basketball?
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 4: Fred just so sneaky one. He sneaks up on you
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 4: with the soccer. All of a sudden he starts throwing
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 4: group stuff.
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  Speaker 5: Anyway, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: What that means. It means they laughed at me when
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: I said one of the Jays wouldn't be on the
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: team this year.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: They're both still only it hasn't happened.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: It's gonna happen. Uh, Scott writes in Your Discussions on
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: making a farm league seems unproductive. Let's talk about football UFL.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: We already have that in the college program. To expect
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: players to play in the offseason in preparation for the
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: NFL season. It's just oh, okay, we'll see you later.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: These guys, we're here at the practice. Here's Mike rabel program.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: And the workouts.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 5: Have you already seen some growth in Drake May and
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 5: if so.
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  Speaker 2: How so?
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
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  Speaker 21: I mean, I think we've seen growth in a lot
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 21: of players, and especially some of the younger ones, which
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 21: I would consider Drake going into his third year, one
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 21: of the those younger players.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 8: And I think that Josh and Ashton.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 21: Have given him uh some really positive things to work on,
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 21: some areas of focus, and you know, being able to,
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 21: you know, try to try to limit mistakes at the
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 21: line of scrimmage right, get us in the best play
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 21: and and not that you know we're going to be perfect,
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 21: but being able to use every resources that we have
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 21: to to get us UH into the right play and
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 21: be able to give us an option to to have
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 21: a positive play. And you know, whether they're pressuring or
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 21: they're in a look that you know is an advantageous
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 21: to the play, and you know, we don't want to
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 21: be tentative, you know, so there's a fine line of that,
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 21: but I think expanding some of that into the second year.
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  Speaker 8: The system has been good to see here in the spring, like.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: Anything wise, share attendance or anything like that. Is everybody
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: here that you need.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 21: Here, everybody under counteractor is here and account for so
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 21: as it relates to practice, you know, and everybody will
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 21: have different planet practice, and you know, some guys will
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 21: be full, some guys will be limited.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 8: You know, some guys will work on the lower field.
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  Speaker 21: But you know, it's been a good day and it's
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 21: much better than yesterday when when they weren't here.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 8: It's been a great day to have everybody.
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 21: Back and you know, coach and teach and and moving
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 21: into the red zone, which is which is so critical,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 21: which is somewhere where you know, we struggled defensively except
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 21: for the playoffs, which I think the big reason of
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 21: why we were able to get to where we got to. Offensively,
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 21: just too many negative plays and turnovers, so did a
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 21: lot of good things offensively, just pretty pretty average in
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 21: the red zone. Heaven has signed is key part of
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 21: that group that's here.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 8: He's not part of that group. That's year great question,
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 8: go ahead.
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  Speaker 21: Do you attribute his absence to last year we saw
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 21: rise in the second round picks pulled out until they
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 21: signed their contracts. Do you attribute it to that or
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 21: I don't attribute to anything other than you know, he's
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 21: not here and that.
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  Speaker 8: He's not under contract at this current time. So I
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 8: don't want to say that there's a reason for it
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 8: other than.
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  Speaker 21: That that's what it is right now.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 8: Any physical again he had and he's not under contract.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: I know he's in the practice field.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 9: Just bring how much, if at all, have you had
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 9: a chance to kind of work with him a little bit?
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 8: With Gabe, not at all.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 21: We've talked and communicated and met him numerous times before
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 21: the draft process, but.
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  Speaker 8: Not not on the grass. Has that been frustrating for
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 8: you that you know it hasn't, not one bit.
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  Speaker 21: I've been excited to work with the players here and
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 21: I have learned that there's only so many things that
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 21: you can control and excited about the development of the
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 21: guys in that room, the ones that have been here
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 21: that you know are going into their second year, or
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 21: the ones that we drafted or the ones that we
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 21: signed in the post draft or the ones.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 8: That we signed free agency.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I don't know, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 21: So I know that we were here for eight weeks
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  Speaker 21: and ten eleven, no tas or whatever that is. I
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 21: don't you know, I mean, I can't, I can't say,
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  Speaker 21: won't say. I don't think that's fair to anybody.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 8: Harold Landry was still doing some rehab or physically at
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 8: this point. Uh.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 21: Again, Harold's played a lot of football and uh and
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 21: so we just have to try to you know, this
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 21: is all part of everyone has a little different plan.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 21: I think you guys understand that haven't spent a year
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 21: with us and kind of how we operate. So he's
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 21: very involved, very heavily involved in the meetings and the
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 21: workouts and in.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 8: A leadership role.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 21: And for for him to take reps right now in
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 21: the spring, I feel like is unnecessary.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 8: And you know, we'll just keep working.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 21: To to make sure that he's ready to go when
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 21: when we need him.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 9: Some of the younger guys who have been here, specifically
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 9: about Brayden and Elijah, how they've done with the maybe
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 9: the added opportunities they've gotten over the court.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 21: Well, I think physically they they both have worked really
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 21: hard with Frank and his group, and the time that
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 21: they spend away from here, however long that was, that
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 21: was evident when they came back. I just think from
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 21: a maturity, you know, from getting stronger and being you know,
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 21: better conditioned, and those things really stood out. And I
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 21: think that through the course of the you know, eight
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 21: or nine weeks, that that's that's become evident on the
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 21: field as well.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 4: Who do you have conversations with guys who are not
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 4: at OTAs or do you just move on at this point?
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: Do you talk about why they were not here?
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 8: Do I have conversations with guys that aren't here or ye, so.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 4: Guys who missed OTAs, do you speak to them about
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 4: why they missed OTAs?
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: Or do you just move on at this point?
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 5: Now that you're in many No, those.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 21: Are voluntary, I mean I I mean I talked most
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 21: of the players all the time.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 8: There's communication, you know, whether they're here or or they're not.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 8: You know.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 21: So again, there's multiple reasons on our team and across
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 21: the league of why guys wouldn't be at a voluntary
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 21: workout and uh, just coaching when they get here.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 8: That's usually the best plan of attack.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: Have for Chington's alz back and just how gone with
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: him as he trust to negotiating from.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 21: Good conversations have been great and talked to him about
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 21: his event last week and talked to him about normal
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 21: things that we talk about. And then you know, but
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 21: it's good to have everybody back in here that that
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 21: either was here last week or that wasn't. It's just
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 21: good to have a you know, almost a complete football
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 21: team here and excited to keep working.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 8: So go ahead, so much louder with these vultures over here.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: When it comes back to this tackle you had Kisa
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: and that one last year.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: Cory dared and we supped with him last week and
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: he kind of said he anticipates filling that role in
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: moving into that spot. What have you seen from him?
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 4: This awesome?
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: He's a that and roll you into state him kind.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 21: Of feeling, well, I don't want to fill any role
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 21: right now. I think that that will be an opportunity
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 21: for Corey. And by saying that, I'm excited for Corey.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 21: I'm excited that we had a full off season with him,
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 21: uh that we'll have a full training camp with him.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 21: He came in and quickly earned the confidence of the
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 21: coaching staff and his teammates and had a great play demeanor.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 21: And so I'm happy for his ability to be able
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 21: to help us last year. But but again that has
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 21: to all be played out, you know, in training camp,
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 21: and there's other young guys and you know Lenny, Lenny
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 21: T and Josh Farmer and Gregory and and everybody else
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 21: that that those are all it's a good group and
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 21: I'm excited and I know the the defensive coaches are
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 21: excited about working with those guys too. So you know,
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 21: have just having him in the system another year and
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 21: being able to coach him in the off season and
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 21: coach him at training camp. Hopefully we will only help.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 21: But he he did a lot of good things for
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 21: us last year.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: Did you know that he was going to need a
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: procedure when you drafted him.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 21: Again, he just had to have a procedure And he's
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 21: not under contract. So you know, we're excited about the Gabe,
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 21: the person that he is, the play style, his production
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 21: in college and you know all that, And so when
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 21: that gets resolved, we'll have him in here and we'll
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 21: coach him and I'm sure we'll find a way for
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 21: him to help our football.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 6: Team stay with negotiations with Gonzales at this moment.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 21: I don't I'm not involved with the negotiations. I'm involved
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 21: with coaching this team like that. Nothing to have many
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 21: still owners, you know what I mean. I don't think
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 21: there's anything you know to report. I'll say that, all.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: Right, body has he been expecting to participate fully here,
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: and I.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 21: Don't know if he'll participate fully just because I don't
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 21: think that's fair to him to just say, hey, you know,
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 21: go go run you know, twenty reps. Again, I think
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 21: the part of this is about evaluating where guys are
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 21: getting them, you know, reacclimated to what the new stuff
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 21: is that we're putting it in the red zone, and
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 21: then based on on how he does and and looks.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 8: I think that that could that could certainly change.
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 21: But you know, again, we we want to be smart
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 21: with with everybody that we have, and you know, for
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 21: the guys that we haven't seen, I think it's only
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 21: right to you know, make sure that they're you know,
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 21: where everybody else is based on how.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 8: We practice limited Yeah, just like everybody else.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 21: Everybody has a plan and I got to make sure
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 21: that everybody's working and uh and getting what they need
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 21: to get.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 8: Has been here for a week. How's everything going? I
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 8: think good.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 21: I think the weekend probably served him well to be
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 21: able to take a deep breath and and get some rest.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 21: I'm sure sure it was a you know, been a
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 21: whirlwind for him, but you know, he's excited about learning
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 21: the system and you know, eventually moving around and doing
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 21: different things, and you know, but I you know, I
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 21: think it's it's been great just having them around and
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 21: you know, just continuing to integrate himself into our football team.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 4: Combine ask him the coaches to come up and free
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 4: some new ideas. When you guys reconvened, what have those
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 4: tried to achieve or unlocked defensively?
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: And are you pleased with the progress there?
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 5: Uh?
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 8: You mean from the defensive side of the ball? Ah?
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 21: Man, I think you're always just looking. You know, the
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 21: spring is a time where the touchdown the touchdowns don't
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 21: count and the sacks don't count, and so you know,
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 21: I think you try to figure out different blitzes and disguises,
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 21: and you know, I appreciate what everybody brought to the
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 21: table and the ideas that they had in all all
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 21: the phases of first and second down, and you know
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 21: the things that we try to add on third down,
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 21: and then really try to shore up the red zone.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 21: So the spring is a time where you evaluate the
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 21: stuff that you try to come up with and what
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 21: it may look like and what the issues are, and
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 21: then as you get closer to training, can some of
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 21: that may get paired down.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 18: Mentioned red zone efficiency in terms of the personnel that
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 18: you brought in in the off season, both on the
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 18: offensive the defensive side of the ball, how much of
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 18: a focus was how how good they are in the
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 18: red zone in terms of bring guys in.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 21: Well, it's a critical area. You know, it's a critical situation.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 21: You know, we were you know, fifth in red zone
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 21: drives offensively, but unfortunately we're middle of the pack and
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 21: you know, too many negative plays, too many, too many turnovers.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 8: Almost half of our turnovers were in the red zone.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 8: So that that that hurts you.
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 21: There, uh, you know, and then defensively, just you know,
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 21: they have to be on body, you have to be
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 21: a tight coverage, making sure teams don't run the football
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 21: in on you, and just understanding how critical every yard
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 21: is and being great tacklers and communicating all the motions
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 21: and the prestat motions and in different routes, the combinations
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 21: that they have.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 8: What are you looking for, team, Uh, you know that
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 8: you can rely on.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 21: I can tell you the foundation you will build last
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 21: year is sulid enough and real Well, I mean, I
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 21: think that that's probably not gonna I don't know if
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 21: that happens during the spring. I think we can still
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 21: focus on on the things that we think are important
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 21: for our identity and and and when and how we
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 21: want to win football games and how we want to prepare.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 21: But really a lot of that comes in training camp
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 21: and being able to to callus yourself.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 8: Through through some of the rigors of the season.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 21: So as we continue to build that foundation and how
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 21: we work and how we practice against each other, it's
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 21: going to be something that's critical and that's how you
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 21: improve uh in training camp that you know, some of
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 21: those battles that you have in training camp give you
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 21: a lot of confidence, you know going into the season.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 18: That's help position to evaluate this time of the year.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 1: But what have you've seen from land Larisen?
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 5: And Wow, he's grown from last year, especially overcoming.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 21: It worked really hard and just to work through the
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 21: injury and work through uh and just continue to get
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 21: stronger and give himself another opportunity going into training camp.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 8: So he mentally he's not a rookie.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 21: I think just the experience probably may seem somewhat new
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 21: to him again when we get to training camp.
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 8: But you know, as a player that's trying to find a.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 21: Role on special teams and and you're right, it is
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 21: hard to you know, have the paddle for the backs
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 21: is being identify where the pressure is coming from, what
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 21: their blitz pick up is, and then there's really not
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 21: much of a blitz pick.
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  Speaker 8: Up, but everybody kind of stops once they get there.
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  Speaker 21: You know, a lot of that will come with the
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