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JRE MMA Show #186 with Sean Sharaf · The Joe Rogan Experience

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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on, man?
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  Speaker 1: This is Joe Rogan.
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  Speaker 2: How you feeling?
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  Speaker 1: I feel incredible, man. You must be. It's been one
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  Speaker 1: hell of a week. It's been crazy.
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  Speaker 2: It has to be the craziest week of your life, right?
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  Speaker 2: Or up to it.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is pretty up there. It's been some
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  Speaker 1: crazy weeks.
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  Speaker 2: So talk me through this. When did you get the
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  Speaker 2: offer for the fight? How long out?
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  Speaker 1: So they had mentioned possibly me fighting him on the
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  Speaker 1: White House. They asked me. That was the alley he
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  Speaker 1: had reached out to me. He was like, hey, they're
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  Speaker 1: talking about possibly getting you on the White House. They
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  Speaker 1: know you're a Marine and whatnot. they want Gable Stevenson.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, fucking, I don't care. I've been
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  Speaker 1: watching Gable since he was coming up on the regional scene,
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  Speaker 1: since you were talking about him and everyone was all
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  Speaker 1: hyped about him. And so I kind of already knew
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  Speaker 1: we were going to cross paths, but it wasn't until
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  Speaker 1: I was requesting to get on the LA card. I
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  Speaker 1: heard they were coming to LA and I kept saying, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: I want LA, I want LA. And I was like,
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  Speaker 1: all right, you got LA, you're fighting Gable.
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  Speaker 2: So there was a conversation about the White House card.
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  Speaker 2: So this is June. That's when it first came up.
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  Speaker 2: And so how did it wind up taking place in September?
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  Speaker 1: I just never heard back. They talked about it. They
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  Speaker 1: were like, would you take it? And I was like, sure.
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  Speaker 1: And I think maybe they were trying to get Jones
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  Speaker 1: on there too, possibly. I think that might have been
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  Speaker 1: what it was.
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  Speaker 2: I think Dana was hesitant to get John on there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And so I think it was like, if I'm not going,
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  Speaker 1: then maybe Gabe was going. I don't know what it was,
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  Speaker 1: but that was the first time I was approached like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: would you be open to fighting him on the White House?
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, of course.
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  Speaker 2: And so how long out did they tell you about
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  Speaker 2: the L.A. card?
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  Speaker 1: Uh, about six weeks, but I had already been in
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  Speaker 1: camp cause I was supposed to fight Tai Tuivasa and
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  Speaker 1: I had to pull out cause my nose got broken
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  Speaker 1: in that camp. So I was basically in the camp
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  Speaker 1: for the Tai fight. And then I went straight into that,
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  Speaker 1: into the next camp as soon as I got cleared
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  Speaker 1: to start sparring and stuff. But I was still training
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  Speaker 1: the whole time I was running. I was, I went
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  Speaker 1: full fucking. I retained my seed.
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  Speaker 2: I was fucking, did you really?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, bro. I went full eight weeks. No, no, no
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  Speaker 1: jerk out, no sex, no nothing. I went full like
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  Speaker 1: Marine mode. That's why you guys saw that, that Matt
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  Speaker 1: on the ground in the studio was because I was like,
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  Speaker 1: it was like really fucking going to, I ended up
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  Speaker 1: getting air mattress after I texted Strickland. Cause he's like, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And, um, you were sleeping on a mat. Yeah. Tell
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  Speaker 2: people about that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, basically because I, I have, um, obviously my, all
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  Speaker 1: my finances are out there already. I can, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: have anything in my name. So I've been, I've been
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  Speaker 1: bouncing around. from fighter houses as fighter house LV, they
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  Speaker 1: started out and, um, it was like 40 bucks a
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  Speaker 1: room you get. And I was also staying in the casinos,
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  Speaker 1: fucking gambling, doing a bunch of dumb shit. And, um,
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  Speaker 1: stayed in my car a few times, bouncing back forth
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  Speaker 1: with my mom. It was just a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: a chaotic situation. And, uh, I got the spot. I
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  Speaker 1: got a front from my management. They, they gave me
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  Speaker 1: four grand cause I took, I was basically was in
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  Speaker 1: California and I stayed out there. with my mom and
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  Speaker 1: I got to come back out here for the camp.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, Hey, I need funds. Can you
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  Speaker 1: guys give me in front of me four grand on
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  Speaker 1: my purse? And they said, Hey, um, get, get whatever
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  Speaker 1: you want. I mean, they weren't very involved. Like if
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  Speaker 1: I'm being honest, I kind of had to figure it
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  Speaker 1: out on my own. Like, and, um, yeah, I had
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  Speaker 1: a friend, he got me a sublease, got me in
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  Speaker 1: that spot and I just fucking.
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  Speaker 2: It's such a crazy, rocky story.
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  Speaker 1: I know, and I feel like a fucking movie. I'm
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  Speaker 1: saying it, and I don't even know. I'm like, bro,
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  Speaker 1: people aren't going to believe this shit. I've got to
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  Speaker 1: fucking show the receipts. I'm going to show you some
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  Speaker 1: fucking shit.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I've never experienced something like that, but it
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  Speaker 2: has to be like right now, even it's hard to
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  Speaker 2: believe that you did what you did.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I believed I was going to win. I
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  Speaker 1: was telling myself, but I believed it was going to
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  Speaker 1: be a war. I believed it was going to be
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  Speaker 1: my whole game plan was like, sure he might get
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  Speaker 1: the takedown you're gonna stay in his fucking face I
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  Speaker 1: was screaming the fucking affirmation the John Jones speech when
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  Speaker 1: he's like fucking when he told DC and he was
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  Speaker 1: all like there's nothing you can do to stop me
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  Speaker 1: from coming after you round after round with the most
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  Speaker 1: malicious techniques I know you will lose this fight Gable
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  Speaker 1: Stevenson you will lose this fight and I was just
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  Speaker 1: like just telling myself that I was gonna go through
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  Speaker 1: hell for this you know because all my previous fights
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  Speaker 1: it was first round knockouts all my victories first round
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  Speaker 1: knockouts and it kind of gave me the delusion that
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  Speaker 1: I'm just touching guys and they're going to fall. But
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  Speaker 1: then when I got to the UFC, like, I had
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  Speaker 1: that loss with Taffa and I had Asplen. I fucking
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  Speaker 1: kept cracking him. He wouldn't fall. And then I kind
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  Speaker 1: of started doubting my power a little bit. I kind
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  Speaker 1: of started, like, questioning, like, hey, like, fucking can I
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  Speaker 1: do this? And so, like, when I just hit him
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  Speaker 1: with that left hook and he fell, I was just
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  Speaker 1: like– I started cussing. I jumped on him. I was fucking, bro.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, what the fuck is going on, man?
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  Speaker 2: You were– He was a minus 2,400 favorite.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The disrespect. Was it 2,400? Yeah, it was. That's what
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  Speaker 2: it was? Okay. I just want to be really clear
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  Speaker 2: about that. That's a crazy number. For heavyweight. For heavyweight.
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  Speaker 2: It might be the biggest, at least bookmaker odds, it
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  Speaker 2: might be the biggest upset in the history of sport.
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  Speaker 1: That's what they're saying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Even with Holly Holm and Ronda Rousey, it was just like.
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  Speaker 2: Holly Holm was dangerous. She was a multiple-time world kickboxing champion,
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  Speaker 2: multiple-time world boxing champion. She was a legitimate striker. I
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  Speaker 2: could see Holly being a 10-to-1 dog or something like that,
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  Speaker 2: but this was minus 2400.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was the fact I was coming off
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  Speaker 1: of two losses. Bro, I lost my discipline a lot
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  Speaker 1: coming up grinding for this.
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  Speaker 2: Here it is. Let's watch it again so you just
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  Speaker 2: know it's real. Boom.
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  Speaker 1: That's me. One more.
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  Speaker 5: Time.
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  Speaker 2: Boom. Oh, the way the head snaps back, too. Oh, God.
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  Speaker 2: What did it feel like when you're standing there holding
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  Speaker 2: your arms up? Were you, like, in space? Were you
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  Speaker 2: in another galaxy?
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  Speaker 1: Everything just felt, like, so, like, even, like, I haven't
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  Speaker 1: seen the clips. I remember I shook Joan's hand and
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  Speaker 1: his hand before they left. But, like, everyone's saying, like,
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  Speaker 1: are you sure you did that? Because, like, I vividly remember, like,
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  Speaker 1: before they walked out and everyone started booing, like, I
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  Speaker 1: shook their hand. I shook his hand. Like, that was it.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't say anything. But, like, bro, everything just feels like.
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  Speaker 1: I haven't even gotten a chance to digest it. Like
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  Speaker 1: I've been just going this whole week, like doing interviews
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  Speaker 1: after interviews and zoom. And it's like, I'm so exhausted.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to go to a mountain or to
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  Speaker 1: the desert and fucking take some mushrooms with my.
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  Speaker 2: Dog and.
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  Speaker 1: Process what the fuck is going on, man.
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  Speaker 2: That probably might be a good idea too. So you
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  Speaker 2: can stay on the course, you know, because one of
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  Speaker 2: the problems with like a big event or a big
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  Speaker 2: moment is you can be defined by that big event
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  Speaker 2: and big moment. And that big moment, can be like
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  Speaker 2: a centerpiece in your life instead of the path right
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  Speaker 2: so the path you're on is getting better as an
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  Speaker 2: mma fighter achieving like world-class status fighting for a title
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  Speaker 2: eventually that's the path.
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  Speaker 1: Is it though joe yeah why not is it well
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  Speaker 1: that's why i want to ask you because like i
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  Speaker 1: mean bro if you can do that everyone's making it
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  Speaker 1: seem like this is just a fucking lucky punch one
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  Speaker 1: shot and like my so this is my thing is
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  Speaker 1: i've always taken to have been taking my journey fight
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  Speaker 1: by fight like I, like, I got out the Marine Corps,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, hey, like, I want to be
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  Speaker 1: a UFC fighter, and, like, it wasn't like, oh, I
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  Speaker 1: want to be a champion, and, you know, it was just, like,
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  Speaker 1: I just wanted to be in the organization, and wear
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  Speaker 1: the uniform, and just be able to, be able to
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  Speaker 1: fucking say I did that, and the fact that I
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  Speaker 1: just lost, like, those two titles, like, fuck it, like,
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  Speaker 1: they gave me the uniform, but it didn't feel like it,
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  Speaker 1: and so now, like, to do this, the people say
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  Speaker 1: possibly the biggest upset in history, fucking in my home, like,
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  Speaker 1: fucking against all odds, I'm like, bro, like, Can I
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  Speaker 1: beat that? You leave the table when you're up. That's
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  Speaker 1: what they say.
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  Speaker 2: Are you thinking about doing that? Are you thinking about
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  Speaker 2: leaving the table?
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  Speaker 1: I told Micah, the psych at the PI. I told Sergey,
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  Speaker 1: my training partner. I told Gokor. I told all these guys.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, hey, bro, if I win this fight,
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  Speaker 1: the way I'm visualizing it, I might be good with
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  Speaker 1: that because this is fucking like that was it. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Just because it was such a big moment?
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  Speaker 1: Just no it's the fact of what i had to
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  Speaker 1: go to get because like brother i've had zero sponsors
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  Speaker 1: i got zero promo i got zero like any kind
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  Speaker 1: of like support throughout this whole thing like even like
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  Speaker 1: with the coaching you know like my corner like i
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  Speaker 1: was scrambling to figure that out you know and it
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  Speaker 1: was just like i had to beg for so much
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  Speaker 1: fucking help throughout this product it just made me fucking
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  Speaker 1: like no i just put a little sour taste in
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  Speaker 1: my mouth i was like bro like fucking like for
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  Speaker 1: what like And then on top of that, I got
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  Speaker 1: fucking CT scan. They're saying I got some fucking brain
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  Speaker 1: matter and shit. I'm fucking stitched up from head to toe.
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  Speaker 1: I got fucking all types of injuries. And I'm like, bro,
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  Speaker 1: what am I doing? If we're just fucking for more money,
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  Speaker 1: for a belt, what am I doing? That's why I'm
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  Speaker 1: trying to figure out the answers myself.
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  Speaker 2: That's interesting. Well, if that's the case, then definitely go
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  Speaker 2: take mushrooms with your dog.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I'm like, maybe you can help me, advise
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  Speaker 1: me here.
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  Speaker 2: The decision is always going to be entirely yours because
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  Speaker 2: it's dependent entirely upon who you are, where you are.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know that. I don't know where you're
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  Speaker 2: at in your life. I don't know where you're at
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  Speaker 2: with your mind.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with you walking away right now if
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  Speaker 2: you choose to do that. So you have to think
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  Speaker 2: about it. And I think a moment like that, like
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  Speaker 2: I said, was so big. You have to let it
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  Speaker 2: settle before you decide what you're going to do. Right.
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  Speaker 2: There's a bunch of different ways to approach fighting, and
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  Speaker 2: I think one of the worst ways is to chase glory.
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  Speaker 2: You know, because glory does come to the greats in
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  Speaker 2: that glory. You know, the glory that Justin Gaethje got
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  Speaker 2: when he beat Ilya Teporya at the White House. No
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  Speaker 2: one's ever going to experience that. One of the greatest
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  Speaker 2: moments in the history of combat sports.
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  Speaker 1: That was my logic, too, because when I saw the
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  Speaker 1: Gaethje upset, I was like, bro, like, what? Well, Morty
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  Speaker 1: had to prove, like, you just shocked the fucking world.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he could certainly walk, especially Gaethje. He's had this
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  Speaker 2: insane career, incredible career. He could definitely walk away now
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  Speaker 2: and be one of the all-time greats. But Conor, for instance, like,
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  Speaker 2: Conor's last fight. Like, it seemed like Conor was doing
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  Speaker 2: it to show that he could still do it. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. You know, I didn't talk to him. I
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  Speaker 2: haven't had a conversation with him as a person. But
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  Speaker 2: it seemed like... He wanted to be on top again.
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  Speaker 2: He wanted to show that he could go out there
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  Speaker 2: and still be a world-class fighter like Max Holloway and
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  Speaker 2: just show that he could do it. And you got
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  Speaker 2: to wonder, is that the best motivation for a guy
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  Speaker 2: that's worth half a billion dollars and is fucking living
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  Speaker 2: in the lap of luxury?
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  Speaker 1: No, he's just chasing the high. He's chasing the high.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, I just want to go out on top,
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  Speaker 1: go on top, go on top.
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  Speaker 2: Is he chasing the high versus is he chasing the dream?
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  Speaker 2: So like when he knocked out Jose Aldo, he was
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  Speaker 2: chasing the dream. He was a juggernaut. He was storming
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  Speaker 2: through the division. He was knocking everybody out. He looked
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  Speaker 2: like this guy that had this phenomenal talent and this
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  Speaker 2: special charisma. And he looked like a guy who was
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  Speaker 2: chasing this thing, this dream, his dream of becoming a
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  Speaker 2: world champion. So then you achieve it. And then I
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  Speaker 2: think the big derailment was the Floyd Mayweather fight, right?
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  Speaker 2: He leaves MMA, trains boxing for a while, has a
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  Speaker 2: great performance against Floyd Mayweather. one of the greatest boxers
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  Speaker 2: of all time, does 10 rounds with him, which is
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  Speaker 2: fucking insane.
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  Speaker 1: Did you see my video with him before the fight?
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 1: I went viral with Floyd. I ran into him at Lifetime.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, really?
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  Speaker 1: Because I started promoting myself. So, like, that was the issue. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I kept seeing these collabs and these promos with Gable.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, bro, what the fuck, man? Like,
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  Speaker 1: why is no one pushing me? So I started, like,
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  Speaker 1: just going outside the PI. And I was like, I
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  Speaker 1: did my own promo.
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  Speaker 2: And then, like.
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  Speaker 1: Just the odds, like the next day I ran into
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  Speaker 1: Floyd at the fucking, at the Lifetime, and I was like, hey, man,
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  Speaker 1: let me get a quick video fucking to promote my
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  Speaker 1: fight and whatnot. So it's just ironic he's a Floyd.
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  Speaker 2: That's funny. That's funny. Well, that's just to be expected.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you got to realize Gable is, first of all,
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  Speaker 2: Olympic gold medalist, one of the greatest heavyweight wrestlers in
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  Speaker 2: the United States ever produced. And then he goes on
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  Speaker 2: to be undefeated in MMA, wins that fight in dirty boxing.
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  Speaker 2: He's an athletic freak, and he's being trained by Jon Jones.
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  Speaker 1: But who did he beat on the regional scene? That's
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  Speaker 1: what didn't impress me. He got wheel kicked in Mexico.
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  Speaker 1: The guy was like 1-0. Because I was 4-0 on
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  Speaker 1: the regional scene too.
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  Speaker 2: You're 100% correct in that regard. But he couldn't get
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  Speaker 2: any fights. Nobody any good wanted to fight him because
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  Speaker 2: he's Gable. Because he's this insane freak wrestler, and they
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  Speaker 2: want to win. And they want to make their way
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  Speaker 2: through whatever regional circuit it is, get a really good
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  Speaker 2: record and get some experience before they get into the UFC.
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  Speaker 2: They don't want to get flatlined. They don't want to
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  Speaker 2: get beat up and smashed. And a good manager treats
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  Speaker 2: their fighters that way. A good manager says, listen, you're
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  Speaker 2: not ready for that yet. We're going to get you
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  Speaker 2: this guy. Don't get beat by him yet. You can
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  Speaker 2: eventually beat him, but we have to develop these skills.
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  Speaker 2: We have to develop these techniques. We have to Get
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  Speaker 2: you some seasoning. You have to get some hard fights
• 13:26
  Speaker 2: against some really tough guys so you know what the
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  Speaker 2: fucking basement feels like. You got to know what it's
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  Speaker 2: like to be in the dungeon, you know?
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  Speaker 1: He wasn't in the dungeon.
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  Speaker 2: Wasn't in the dungeon.
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  Speaker 1: They were fucking coddling him and pampering him.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think also when you're that good of an
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  Speaker 2: athlete and you've had that much success in wrestling, which is,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the celebrated incredible sport, and then you enter
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  Speaker 2: into MMA with all that hype and fanfare, you start
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  Speaker 2: to believe that you are special. And you're invincible and
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  Speaker 2: you're not a regular human being with very good skills.
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  Speaker 2: Because that's what he is, a regular human being with
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  Speaker 2: very good skills. And you showed it. You showed it
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  Speaker 2: with a fucking perfect left hook. When you stepped outside
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  Speaker 2: and then it was everything in that left hook. It
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  Speaker 2: was pretty. It was technical. It was perfect. And he
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  Speaker 2: was reaching at the time, too. Yeah, he was reaching.
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  Speaker 1: And that was the other thing. He was closing his eyes.
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  Speaker 1: And that was on the replay. And that comes because
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  Speaker 1: he isn't smart enough.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: He hasn't had that experience of fucking being in the
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  Speaker 1: fire over and over again.
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  Speaker 2: He's only been striking for like a year and a half.
• 14:28
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: That's why when they asked me, they tried to make
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: it seem like I was talking shit. Like, are you
• 14:32
  Speaker 1: impressed by Gabe? I was like, no, I'm not impressed. Like,
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: what are you not impressed about? I'm like, what the fuck?
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: He's an Olympic gold medalist. But this is fighting. And
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: we're going to fight.
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: Well, his first fight, he got tagged a bunch, the
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: first fight in the UFC. And that guy fought well.
• 14:48
  Speaker 2: He hit him with some good shots. That guy was
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: there to win. He just, you know, was overwhelmed. Gable
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: got him. But that fucking left hook changed the landscape
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: of the universe, dude. That left hook changed your life,
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: changed the world. Yeah.
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: There were so many people that even before the fight,
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: they're like, if you beat Gable, I'm going to name
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: my kid after you. Like, I'm putting my mortgage down.
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know if these comments are real,
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: but there was so many people messaging me and commenting.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: And even with the press conference, they were telling me,
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: please bring up his past. Please bring up his past.
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: And I was all like, shit. I fought for my
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: freedom of speech, man. I don't give a fuck. I'll
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: say whatever I want. Yeah, it's a lot.
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: The whole buildup to a fight is so much. There's
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: so much talking. And there's so many people talking at
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: you and there's so many narratives and so many people
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: like you can get your brain really fucking scrambled during
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: those things, including him, like believing the hype or anybody
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: believing the hype.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: And what was crazy was we weren't even supposed to
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: be on the press conference or even on the main
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: card until Ortega fell out. And that was like, that
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: felt like divine intervention, bro. Cause I was just like,
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: Oh my God. Like I thought I was, I was
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: going to get the press conference. And when I got
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: to fight week, it was like, there was i wasn't
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: on there and then that next day they were like
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: oh no you're on your main card you're going you're
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: going to the press conference so maybe that i wouldn't
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: have gotten in his head if i didn't get in
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: the press conference you know because that was that was
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: strategic like i i was saying in interviews before like
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: that's psychological warfare oh it's very love and war and
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: it's like if if you don't know how to handle
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: that i mean i like like i said i just
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: brought brought things to light like yeah that was all
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: i did and um if you if you look and
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: let that get under your skin like.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: Who knows if it let it get under his skin?
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, even if there was nothing going on, you
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: might have still hit him with that exact same punch.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: I think there's a gap in experience and there's a
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: gap in striking ability. I mean, he obviously is an
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: incredible athlete and he's very good at being the hammer.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: You know, he can unload combinations on guys. We've seen it.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: You know, we saw it in dirty boxing. But striking,
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: you know as well as anybody, it is a fucking
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: complicated thing that takes a long time to figure out.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of elements to it. There's a lot
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: of knowledge, foot placement, where to be, where not to be,
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: what to do, what not to do. You get caught
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: doing something. You need a really good coach to explain
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: to you how you got caught and never get caught
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: like that again because you need to do this or
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: you need to do that. Make sure your foot is
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: outside the line. Make sure your head's off the center line.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: There's a bunch of different shit that takes fucking forever
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: for your brain to absorb and then absorb to the
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: point where you can– it's just memory, muscle memory inside
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: of chaos and combat.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: I truly felt in flow state when I was not thinking.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: I didn't go out like, oh, I'm going to throw
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: the two. The whole game plan was like, don't over-respect
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: the wrestling and put hands on this motherfucker. That was
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: the game plan. Obviously, I knew he might get the takedown,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: but like I said, I was just telling myself, you're
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: going to get up. You're going to get up. You're
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: going to fucking stay in his face over and over again.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: I think a big flaw that he did in both
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: the first fight and the fight with you is I
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: don't even think he was thinking about taking you down. Yeah.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: which is really crazy.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: He's going to be shooting his next fight, that's for sure.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I would imagine.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would imagine.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: I would imagine. I would imagine that would be a
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: good idea. I mean, it's your number one skill set.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: It's crazy. It's like Wonderboy deciding not to kick. Like, what?
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: But it's also because, like, he was getting praise. Like,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: he was constantly being told, like, he's the greatest thing.
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: He's knocking these guys out. Even Dana, like, after the
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: press conference in his first fight, he was just, like,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: praising him, like, oh, like, he's striking with guys, knocking
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: guys out when he could be using his wrestling. And, like,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: I think it just, like, got to him. And when
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: I knew I had him was when I saw he
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: booked that RAF fight during the fight camp. He went
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: and did an RAF fight, like, a few weeks, RAF
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: wrestling match a few weeks before our fight. I was like,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: this motherfucker's not taking me seriously. This motherfucker's going to
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: book fucking wrestling. And I'm over there getting my ass
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: beat fucking every day, fucking with Sergey Spivak, uh, Blagoi
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: was working with me. Fucking Iwan Kutalaba. And I had
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: to wear my headgear because my nose was broken. And
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: that thing was like suffocating me. And these guys were
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: just putting me in the worst positions over and over again,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: starting from fucking bottom, fucking picking me up. Matt returned,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: slamming me back down. Brother, that's what it felt like.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: I love Rocky, man.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: You're a Rocky story, man.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, bro.
• 19:14
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  Speaker 2: See app for details. But even Rocky didn't end that way.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Step in, boom, 12 seconds. Crazy, man. Crazy.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: It really felt like it was just karma and divine intervention.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: The way he was disrespecting me, too. He called me
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: a coward. saying, like, he's the reason that I'm there
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: and fucking my hotel room is paid because of Gable Stevens.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: What's up with him talking in third person? I know
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: maybe he's your boy, and I saw him on here before,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: but this dude's talking about us in third person all
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: the time. Like, what the fuck is up with that?
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: The third person stuff is very weird. You know who
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: used to do that, who I love, who used to
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: do that all the time is Roy Jones. Roy Jones Jr.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: is going to do what Roy Jones Jr.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Wants to do.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Is he here right now? Is Roy in the room
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: with us? That's a strange thing that people do, that
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: third-person thing. It is odd. It's like an elitist thing.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like I said, he's just thinking all that. So
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: I'm glad I could bring him back down to reality.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: It's probably good for him, too, if he decides to
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: actually continue and pursue his career and become a world champion.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: That might be a blessing in disguise because it was
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: a fight that allowed him to recognize that the skills
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: that he has in wrestling— Other people have similar skills
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: in striking and similar skills in all the other aspects
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: of MMA. And then, you know, there's no shortcuts. Just
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: because you're a really good wrestler doesn't mean you're an
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: elite kickboxer. You know, it just doesn't translate. You have
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: to learn those things.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: Yes, sir.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: And, you know, a guy becomes amazing because of his accomplishments.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: But before those accomplishments, you're not necessarily amazing yet. And
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: his accomplishments were all in a completely different discipline. It translates.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: It's one of the most important disciplines, probably the most
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: important discipline for MMA if you use it, right? If
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: you use it, it's probably like the ability to take
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: a guy down and control a guy. It stifles all striking, right?
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: If he just decided to avoid you standing up and
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: then shoot and he got you down, we're talking about
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: a whole different fight, right?
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: 100%.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but. When you get it in your head.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Ain't no rematch, though, buddy. Everyone's like, what's next? When's
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: the rematch? Fuck you. You're going to sleep with that. Motherfucker.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: Motherfucker's not getting his dick up for fucking weeks, man.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: I took his soul. You heard the whole David Goggins
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: when he said that shit? He's like, yeah, you're not
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: going to fucking live with that for a little bit, bro.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: Well, psychologically, why would you schedule a rematch quickly, if
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: at all? Like, there's no reason. First of all, on paper,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: it's 12 seconds. It's not. It's not like a controversial decision.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Controversial decisions warrant a rematch. Really good war, goes to
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: the judges, could have gone either way. That makes sense.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: 12-second knockouts don't get rematches. That doesn't make any sense.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: That makes zero sense. Yeah, it doesn't make sense. He's
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: going to have to figure out why he's deciding to
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: strike and then really tighten up his striking. He's going
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: to have to watch that film footage and see what
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: he did wrong. There's a bunch of different striking analysts
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: have broken down the video, and you could see you
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: did everything right, and he didn't. Real simple. And he's
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: a human, and you're a big motherfucker, and you've got
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: a big motherfucker with a big left hook, and you
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: land that on virtually any human being alive. You catch
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: him on the chin like that where their head snaps
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: back like that.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: It's like 10 pounds of pressure. That's why you need
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: to tip the chin, right?
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: It was a lot more than 10. I mean, you
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: snapped his head back. But, you know, listen, guys have
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: come back from knockouts like that and become all-time greats.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Look at Michael Bisping. Michael Bisping gets flatlined by Henderson
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: and then goes on to become an all-time great and
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: wins the middleweight title, knocks out Luke Rockwell, defended it
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: against Henderson.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: And I said in my post-flight interview, I kept it classy.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I was like, hey, look, this is going to make
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: him better. But right now I'm on my victory lap
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: and I'm going to talk some shit because the motherfucker
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: disrespected the fucker. His whole team disrespected him. Jones driving
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: around with him in the Mercedes like, tonight we collect
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: a head. You know, like, bro, what? Like, come on, Jones. Like, You,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: of all people, know not to underestimate someone. You're like,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: come on, man.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Well, John's a different guy. He's a different athlete.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: But they made him think that he was next John Jones.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: And John Jones is a different fucking... I've studied John
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Jones my whole fucking life, man. You saw the picture
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: with me and him that we took?
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Eight years ago, right?
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: I was like, this is going to be my exam,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: you know?
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: And I can't even show you the DMs that I've
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: sent him. I'm like, fucking, I told him this was
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: going to happen, you know? For him to be there,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: fucking front row, and then... That viral reaction, it was, oh,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: my goodness.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: It was crazy.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Unreal.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You can't pretend that you're the guy that you're
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: hanging out with. That's a bad thing. Yeah. John is
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: a very unique athlete, though. I mean, he's a one
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: of one.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: He's the GOAT.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, what he did to Cyril Ghosn, I just
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: watched that fight again. It's fucking insane. Cyril never touched him.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: He got a hold of Cyril, dragged him to the ground,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: strangled him, tap, tap. That's it. That's a wrap. Walked away.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Didn't get scratched. Yeah. And then now you have Cyril Gantz,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: the heavyweight champion of the world. And you see what
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: he did to Pereira. You see what he did, at
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: least in the first round before the eye pokes, to Aspinall.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: It's like Cyril Gantz, special athlete, and John made him
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: look unspecial.
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: How do you feel about that? But Gable's not that.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: He's not the same guy. He's not that guy, you know?
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: It takes a long fucking time to be John Jones. Also,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: when John Jones became John Jones, he became John Jones slowly.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was quick in terms of, like, he
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: was the quickest ever to become.
• 25:29
  Speaker 5: 21, yeah.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: I think 22. 22. He could be the youngest ever
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: UFC champion, but there's a long process in getting there.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Like he didn't have that. He fought Guskov. He fought
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Stefan Bonner. He fought a bunch of guys and started
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: looking like this guy might be something very unique. And
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: then he beat Shogun and wins the title and then
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: just goes on this just fucking epic– Legendary tear.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Just the people he beat.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he beat everybody. He beat everybody, and he beat
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: everybody when he wasn't training.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: I have a photo from that expo. It's like Machida unconscious.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I've had that in my room fucking forever.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: That was one of the coldest victories in the history
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: of the sport. He chokes Machida unconscious and then drops him.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Just standing up, choked him unconscious, dropped him, and just
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: walked away. It's fucking cold, man. It falls down in
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: a heap.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: It's cold, man.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Cold. But, you know, that's the problem. You know, you're
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: hanging out with a guy who's the GOAT, and you
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: start thinking you're the next guy. Like, you might be.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: You could be if you do the right things. But
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: if you believe it before it happens, like, you have
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: to be cautious but also confident. Like, there's this dance
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: of the mind. There's so much going on to be
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: an elite fighter. You know, you have to be aware
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: that you could look at Kamaru Usman. beaten Leon Edwards
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: for four rounds. All of a sudden, one head kick, boom,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: lost the title. Never the same guy again. Because you're human.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: You're a fucking human being. As tough as Kamaru is,
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: he's a fucking human being. And it's just this wild
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: dance of possibilities. But it's also one of the reasons
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: why people love the sport so much. Like what you
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: did elevated the whole sport. It really did. Because when
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: you can see a guy who's a giant favorite and
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: everybody's thinking he is and i thought like this guy
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: has a potential to be an all-time great like he's
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: an olympic gold medalist we've seen that before you get
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: a guy who's an elite wrestler like daniel cormier there's
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: a lot of examples of guys who elite wrestlers and
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: they become all-time greats randy couture you changed everything changed
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: everything one punch.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Boom crazy yeah crazy one punch one punch could really
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: change your life and they say no i'm I feel amazing.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I feel incredible. Like, just the fact I'm here, like,
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: this is another thing I haven't even, like, I learn
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: more from your podcast than I have the entire public
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: education system. Like, brother, I would sit on post because
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I was an embassy security guard and we'd be on
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: duty and I would just have your podcast playing in
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: the background and I would listen to all your guests. Like,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I started learning about the subconscious mind, like, through, like,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Billy Carson and, like, another guy, 19 Keys, Joe Dispenza,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: some of these guys, and, like, Like, all of that, like,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: it really has helped mold me into who I am just, like,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: from the types, like, you had, I don't know all
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: the names, but you had the guests on Sleep, Huberman, like, bro, like,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: it's just so many variables, like, that you've brought that, like.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: You are truly, like, educating so many people, like, with
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: what you've done, man. It's fucking incredible.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm happy you enjoyed it. I'm happy I helped you.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: And I'm happy I get to do it.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: The fight companions? I would sit on post and fucking
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: watch fight companions and you have fucking Eddie Bravo and shit.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: It's cool, man.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: It's fucking awesome to be here.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Well, it's cool that you're here right now and in celebration,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: you know? Yeah. Kind of wild.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, really wild.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: So, like we were saying before, like, these big moments,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: they're so big they can kind of overwhelm you. I
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: think you're very wise. And that you want to let
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: the dust settle before you do anything.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Just let yourself come back to normal.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: You are on a fucking psychedelic rollercoaster ride right now.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: And I can't even chill. Everyone's like fucking, they're already
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: texting me like, oh, you went Hollywood on us. Like, bro,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: what the fuck, bro? It's been like five days, dog.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: He's like, oh, are you switched up, man?
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Well, people want you to switch up. That's a narrative
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: that you're going to have to deal with. The people want, oh,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: you fucking changed. Some people do not want you to succeed.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: That is a fact. Because when you succeed, especially succeed
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: in a spectacular way, they compare themselves to you and
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: they fall short and they don't like it. People do
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: not like when people hyper succeed. That is going to
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: be a problem. People want you to fall. It's going
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: to be a problem. It's a problem with every champion,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: every celebrity, every superstar in music and comedy and movies
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: and acting. They want you to fall because there's a
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: certain type of psychology that There's a certain psychological mindset
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: that some people have where they look at people who
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: are doing better than them and they compare themselves and
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: they want that person to fail. And so they'll pretend
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: you're something you're not. They'll create narratives that aren't real.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: You won Hollywood, bro. You fucking sold out. You fucking
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: sold out. And you're going to have to deal with
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: that too. But that's just bitches. There's a world filled
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: with bitches. And some bitches, they have loud voices.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Yes, sir.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's okay.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So that's what I'm navigating right now is just
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: like trying to fucking like, Like, a part of me is, like,
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: trying to get back to everyone, but the other part
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: of me is, like, bro, like, can you just understand? Like, even, like,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: I go from, like, doing all the interviews. I had, like,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: interviews all day, and then I would go home, and, like,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: my family wants to talk to me about what's going on. And, like, fucking,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, like, I just want to go walk
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: my dog, man. Fucking, like. And then I'm, like, walk.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: I did the Bisbing interview, and I was, like, walking
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: my dog. He's like, like, can you make sure you
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: have a good connection? I'm like, bro, like, I'm walking
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: my dog, man. Y'all want the interview or not, bro? Fucking, like.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Fucking. It's more important to walk your dog than do
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: an interview. That's awesome.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: I'm going to shout out my dog, Apollo. He's a
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: German shepherd, man, because, like, this dude, I got him
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: when I got out of boot camp. I'm sorry, out
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: of the Marines. And he's been with me for, like,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: the past seven now. He's about to be eight. And, like,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: this dude, like, bro, like, broke, like, so many meals
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: with him. Like, I moved out to Vegas two years ago.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: There he is.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: That's my fucking boy, man. And, like, this dude has
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: seen it all, man. Like, that was, like, I had
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: my fucking knee surgeries and I had to drive myself
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: to PT fucking two days post-op. Like nobody, nobody wanted
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: to fucking take me to the PI and shit, bro.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: And I was like trying to walk my dog and shit.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: And like all that shit, that's what I was telling
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: you earlier, man. I'm just like, bro, like it's such a, like,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say a fake game, but it's
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: just like, they only love you when you're hot. Like,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: When fucking Gaethje got knocked out by Holloway, he wasn't
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: fucking hot. But then fucking, he goes and wins this,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: he's hot. And then fucking Max Holloway gets knocked out
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: by Ilya, fucking Ilya's hot. Not Ilya's, Strickland Shamaya, fucking Pereira.
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: That's the game. It's the hurt business, you know? And
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: then when they're done with you, you cheat assholes. I'm like, bro, fucking,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: I just upset the world. Fucking changed the dynamic, like
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: you said. United the MMA community. And I was like, bro, fucking,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: what more do I fucking want? I did it at home, fucking.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: Walked out to Nipsey Hussle, man. That was my dream, brother.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Like fucking, that was like.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Everything I dreamed. What song did you walk out to?
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Hustle and Motivate by Nipsey Hussle.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Nice. Yeah.
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: Nice.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: That was fun.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, man.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: But then the other people are like, no, he's a pussy.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: He's fucking, he's a lucky punch and he wants to
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: fucking walk.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: There's no such thing as a lucky punch. Anybody says
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: that's a moron. Or they don't know any better. Or
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: there's a thing you think you could say to diminish
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: someone's accomplishment. That's all it is. There's no lucky punch.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: You're fighting a world-class athlete. You stepped in. You threw
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: a left hook. It was perfect. That's not lucky. That's
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: exactly what you wanted to do, and you did it.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: If you had your eyes closed and you're falling backwards
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: and you went like that and you caught him on
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: the chin, okay, maybe that's a lucky punch. But you
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: still threw a punch. That's a much more fortunate punch,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: I would say. There's nothing lucky about the punch you threw.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Nothing lucky. You wanted to hit him on the chin,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: you hit him on the chin.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Thank you for clarifying.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Fuck those people. But this thing about people only love
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: you when you're hot, that's always going to be the case.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: That's just how it is in the world. There's no
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: way around that, man. People are always judging people on status.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: They're always judging people on their place in the hierarchy.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: We're chimpanzees. We're like complicated chimps. That's how we look
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: at it. Who's the big chimp? Who's top chimp? Oh,
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: you're not top chimp anymore. You fucked up. You fucking loser.
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Fuck you. And, you know, you go on, like, someone's Instagram, like,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: after they had a loss, man. I've seen guys go on,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: you know, get knocked out or get beat, and then
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: you go on their Instagram, and the horrific comments from
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: these people that have never done jack shit in their life.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Before the fight, the guys were fucking brutal. Like, this
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: guy got lost at Toffa. This guy fucking 0-2. Fucking, like, bro,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: they were going in on me.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Hey, man, look at Charles Oliveira. I always say look
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: at Charles Oliveira. One of the all-time greats. And he
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: went on a... There was a lot of times where
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: he had this fucking reputation of being a quitter. He
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: lost a bunch of times. Cub Swanson knocked him out.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Paul Felder beat the shit out of him. All these
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: people beat him. And then he got it together somehow
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: and became undeniable and became a world champion. This idea
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: that one loss defines you is silly. And the only
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: people that say that are people that don't know what
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: the fuck they're talking about. And this is part of
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: the problem with the comment sphere. The world of people
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: that could just chime in as experts when they literally
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: have never done anything in their fucking life. That's a
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: lot of people. Never really accomplished anything great. And they're
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: talking about people that are trying to do one of
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: the most difficult things in all of the world. Become
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: a professional combat sports athlete at the highest level with
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: the whole world watching you. millions of people on Paramount +, 16,000
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: people in the fucking crypto dome or whatever the fuck
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: that place is called. The whole thing is nuts, man.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: And for you to be able to do that, I
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: feel like you're better off just not reading anything, not
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: talking to anybody. Just go silent for a while. Just
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: let the dust settle. Let the vibrations end. It's like
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: somebody just banged a gong, and you got to wait
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: for that bong.
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: You got to wait for that to go back to zero.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: This is the most important podcast. He said, do it
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: this day.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm here. Well, you said it in the interview.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: You said, I want to do your podcast. I said,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: fuck yeah.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad I did, man.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: It's one of the few times I ever swear during
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: an interview, too. It just came out. I said, fuck yeah.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Because it was just so crazy. It was like, how
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: do you not have you on after that? You did
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: something incredibly special.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: And I appreciate you letting me finish the prayer because, like,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: I could feel the crowd was like, what's going on?
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: This guy started talking Arabic.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: It was your moment. I wanted to ask. I did
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: want to ask you, but I didn't want to prolong it.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: What was the prayer? What were you saying?
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: So that's Surah Al-Fatiha. It's basically the opening prayer of
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: the Quran. And it's basically like you say that for
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: the dead. And you say it whenever you pray every day.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: And that's one of the only verses of the Quran
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: that I've had memorized since I was a kid. Because
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: as you can see, I'm not. I'm not a very
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: perfect Muslim, you know, I'm very tatted up. Like people
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: didn't see my gambling and all that. And, uh, but
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: that's the thing, man, there's so many Muslims that like hide,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: hide shit too, you know? And like, I just, I
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: don't want to conform to one or the other, you know,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: that's why I was just, I kind of put all
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: my stuff out there, you know? And, um, that was
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: just a prayer for my dad because he passed away
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: when I was 15 and I kind of navigated this
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: whole process without a father. You know, that's where the
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Marine Corps was so important to me. Cause like, They
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: taught me how to tie my tie, how to shave
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: my face, how to press my uniform, how to even
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: speak and articulate myself. I'm so grateful for that. But
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: a big part of me getting here was losing my father.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: That kind of pushed me a lot.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: I saw someone online calling you an anti-American. And I
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: was like, what? Because he has a Muslim prayer for
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: his father?
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: How crazy is that? America is supposed to be a
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: melting pot of everybody.
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: All religions, all walks of life, all places in the world,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: all come to here and become American. The idea that
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: you can't be an American, don't you have like stars
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: and stripes tattooed on your arm?
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: America tattooed on my arm?
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: You're bro.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: You literally served.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: There's no nuances anymore. They're like, oh, like if you
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: support Palestine, then you can't be fucking a Marine. And
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: if you're a Marine, it's fucking.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Well, that's crazy.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: It's just like, bro, like.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: It's crazy. Again, there's too many voices. There's too much noise.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: And that's what's going to be really important for you
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: from now on is like, because you've become very famous
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: very quickly, is to surround yourself with people of character.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Where am I going to find them, Jeff?
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: That's a good question.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Like I'm saying, I've been on this journey fucking by
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: myself for a very long time. And like now, it's
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: like snakes in the grass. They're all appearing like, oh,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: let me manage. Let me help you. We'll sponsor you.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: We'll do this. We'll do that.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: And I'm just like, But listen, part of that is
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: a good thing. These are opportunities that come out of success.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: So it's like you could say they're taking advantage of you.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: But no, it's like there's a moment that happened. You elevated.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: You became something new. And now here you are in
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: this new stratosphere of life. And you have to, you know,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: it's good. It's good that they want to sponsor you now.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Why would they want to sponsor you before? You've got
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: to realize it. Like you're 0-2 in the UFC. That's
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: how it is.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: That's fair.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: It's also, we've talked about this a thousand times in
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: the broadcast. The difference between the regional circuit and the
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: UFC is gigantic. And once you get into the UFC,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: the reality of it all, the experience is overwhelming. And
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: it takes a few fights for a guy to really
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: show who he is. You see it over and over
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: and over again. It takes a few of those experiences
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: inside that octagon where you just develop the ability to
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: settle and then show your true skills. And some guys,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: they never get there. Some guys, they're phenomenal in training camp,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: phenomenal in the gym. even excellent in the regional circuit.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: They get to the bright lights of the big show
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: and they just can't be themselves.
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: And that was the thing. This is my first, that
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: was my first arena fight. Like my, my last two
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: were in the apex. So it was just like complete,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: like opposite, like from like, it felt like a sparring
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: match in the apex and going out to there. It
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: was just like, but I feel like I perform better in, in, in,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: under pressure like that like like when like there's millions
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: of people watching and like the stakes are the highest
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: and it's like it's like do or die like fucking
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: i'm owing to like you know there's a high high
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: chance fucking three losses like i was on the chopping
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: block that was i was looking at you they were
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: they were telling me like oh they won't cut you
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: fucking but I'm not going to leave it a chance.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: If you fight hard as a heavyweight, you have a
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: very good chance they won't cut you because the heavyweight
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: division is insanely shallow. It's really shallow.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: I really hope they don't cut Ty. I saw him. Ty?
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. He put up a fucking tough fight, man. Oh,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: he fought so well.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: He fought so hard.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: He's so fun, but I hate seeing that guy keep
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: taking all these punches. Like he's had seven losses in
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: a row, now eight.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: And some of them are just like, gee.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: And that's the thing, like, you just want to go
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: out on top. Everyone's just like, oh, let me just
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: fucking win one. I just want to win one. I
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: just want, like, Tony Ferguson. Like, everyone's just like, and
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: that's where I'm just like, right now, I'm just like, fuck, man. Like,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: does it really get bigger than this? You know, like,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: upsetting the fucking MMA world? Like, sure. Like, what, are
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: they going to give me a fucking hokie and a
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: fight for the title next? Like, what's, like, what? He
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: got to jump all the way up.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: He jumped all the way up in a lot of it.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Skip Volkov, the disrespect, man.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: I know. Over Volkov.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, fuck. But that's where we're in now. It's all
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: about entertainment, what sells fights.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Well, he's very marketable, obviously. He talks a lot of shit. Look,
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: it is a strategy on his part. I've talked to him.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: He's a normal dude in real life. He's a nice guy.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: I've talked to him in real life. But he's realized
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: there's a way to get eyes on you, and that
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: is to be crazy. It's so fake. Oh, it's totally fake.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, he'll tell you it's fake.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I did it by being real.
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: You did?
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, you don't have to do it that way.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: But also, you know, he's had three fights in the
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: UFC and he's fighting for the title. Right. You know
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying? It's crazy, but look.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Fucking Cyril better beat him, man. Fuck.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Cyril's a hard dude to figure out. I know, man.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: He's a different kind of cat. That motherfucker moves different
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: than everybody else. You know, we were talking about this.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: I think basketball might be a really good starting point
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: for MMA. Like, if you can get really good at
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: basketball— The difference is you're a big person, first of all,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: and then for heavyweights in particular. And you're doing constant plyometrics,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: like basketball's plyometrics, right? You're moving this way. You're jumping.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: You're leaping forward. There's all these, like, changes of angle
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: and direction.
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: That comes up very much in fighting, especially if you
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: can change direction quickly in the middle of a combination,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: which Cyril can. Like, you see this Cyril-Taitui-Vasa fight. Yeah.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Incredible performance, right?
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: His footwork is unreal.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: Footwork's out of control, man. His footwork's unreal. And against Pereira,
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: you saw how that translates against a guy as big
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: as him. You know, that footwork, that's a fucking real problem, man.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: What did you think about those back-of-the-head shots, do you think?
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: I watched it. And I know that Pereira is blaming
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Herb Dean. The problem is he's moving, and it's chaos.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: The really egregious foul is the Tom Aspinall fouls. That's
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: the very egregious fouls, the eye pokes. Those are egregious.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Those are just fingers out in the eyeballs. Those are bad.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: I'm of the opinion the moment that happens, they should
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: take a point away instantly, instantaneously. Your fingers goes in
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: a guy's eye, take a point away. You nut shot
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: a guy, unless it's a diversion, like sometimes you'll kick
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: and it'll kick someone's shin and then a foot will
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: go into the nuts. Accident. Clearly. But if you just
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: kick a guy in the nuts, one point. You grab
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: a fence, one point. Let's stop all this. Let's stop
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: all this. There's two ways to stop that. Another way
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: is you've got to figure out how to cover the fingers.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: I think people are strategizing that now. Where, like, they know, like, fucking, oh,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: if I Pokemon Eye, like, fucking, the damage is going
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: to be done. And, like, I got the advantage. Like, sure,
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: you could take a point. Like, fucking, but the damage
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: is already done. That happened to me in my pro debut.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: The guy was like, Dipping his head down and fucking
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: coming up with the overhand. And when he popped his head,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: he just fucking head-butted me around the chin.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: On purpose.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Because he kept doing it, but the ref didn't even
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: see it. And I got a little wobbled and stuff.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: But if I didn't finish him, I could have gotten screwed.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: Nobody catches that stuff.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Well, Pantoja accused Joshua Vann of that in their fight.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: And I think he thought that Joshua Vann was doing that,
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: but I don't think that was what was going on
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: at all. I think he was just getting frustrated that
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Joshua Vann was... was moving ahead in the fight was.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: In this in this last one yeah i didn't even
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: get to watch it it was it.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Was a fucking master class you know because joshua van
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: he won the title but it was from an injury
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: you know pantoja threw the head kick falls backwards breaks
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: his arm that's the fight it happened really quickly yeah
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: and so it was a very you know it was
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: a fluke yeah anticlimactic it was it was an injury
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: we don't know how the fight would have played out
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: if they had gone But then you see him against
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Tatsuro Taira. He looked like a world champion. He beat.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: He defended the title. And then against Pantoja, he just
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: put on a master class, man. His fucking boxing was
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: so sweet. Like Joshua Vann is something special, man. That
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: kid gets better every single time he fights. Every single.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: And so Pantoja's getting real. He's young, too.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: He's like 25, right?
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He's the real thing, man. He's something special. He's
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: something real special. And I feel like next time you
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: see him fight after he just beat Pantoja. He was
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: one of the greatest flyweights of all time and just
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: beat him decisively. After he beat Pantoja, I think he's
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: going to be even better next time. He was talking
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: in the press conference. He was upset about his victory.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: He said, man, look at my face. He goes, that
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: dude shouldn't be touching me like this.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: That's what makes you a champion.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Exactly. But, you know, his path and your path,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: they're very different paths. And everyone has to decide where
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: they're at in their life. And if you're at this
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: point where you're like, I don't know if I want
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: to do this anymore, I could just go out with that.
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: Well, I just want to know why I'm doing it.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: That's what I need to go out and find that
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: answer because I'm like, if it's just the money, like,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: I did option trading during COVID. Like, I used to
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: be a personal trainer when I got out of the Marines,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: and then I started getting into option trading to learn
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: how to make money digitally. And, like, I started making, like,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: six figures during the whole AMC and GameStop and Tesla
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: fucking pops and all that stuff.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: That's like one and i want to do like private
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: security as well i i did a few of that
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: like i'd go work with some of the high rollers
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: and casinos they just do private security and like i
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: i can find ways to make money i got gi
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: bill benefits that i like i go to school and
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: like like do so for me i'm like if it's
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: just the money like i could find a way to
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: make money without getting fucking my head my brain smashed
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: but the title yeah i mean fuck cool ufc title
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: but like Then it's like, oh, you're not a champion
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: until you defend the title. And then it's like fucking, oh,
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: and then there's this guy coming up and this guy.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: And it's just like there's never– and it's not until
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: you're fucking old and beaten up and fucking they see
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: you fucking down.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: That's the business, man.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: That is true. And if you talk to some of
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: these guys that stayed in too long and, you know,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: they're slurring their words and you see how broken they are,
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: they have a difficult time walking and sitting down. It's
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: a struggle. Yeah.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: My whole MMA– career because i got out in 2018
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: and i sent an email to parello and uh orange
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: county and ruka and uh it was basically just trial
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: by fire i was just sparring all the pros luke
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: rockhold michael bisbing fucking sean stricken came fucking was dropping
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: me as an amateur like i fucking just been sparring
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: over and then i went out to tiger fucking i
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: moved out to thailand if i was doing sparring out
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: there and i was just been even got to extreme
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: and fucking they i was sparring francis and gone on
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: my first week bro My first week, they threw me
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: in there with Ngannou, but it was the most terrifying
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: shit of my fucking life, bro. I went to the
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: apex and reassessed my life choices after that, bro. I
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: was just like, and so when you're talking about guys
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: that are staying too long, like, bro, like, I've just
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: been sparring. And maybe that's where my lack of development is,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: you know, because I never focused on, like, just the footwork.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: I never focused on just getting better at, like, thinking,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: you know. It was always just this primal feeling of just, like,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: I've been in street fights, you know, and, like, I
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: just fucking. Start picking it up as I go.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: That's interesting. So do you have a main coach? Do
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: you have a head coach that just develops you?
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: No.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: I bounce around a lot of gyms. Like I started Perillo.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: I went with Nixick. I went to Freestyle May. I
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: went to Pohata. I've bounced around like so many and like.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: because I've always been looking for the Cuss and Mick,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: the fucking, Cuss and Tyson, the Rocky and Mick, and like,
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Trevor and Gaethje, and like, bro, like, that doesn't come
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: unless you're fucking Hollywood now, like, fucking like, now, sure,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: maybe I'll get fucking a bunch of coaches, like, yeah,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: let me fucking develop you, but I'm like, who actually
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: fucking wants to, like, actually be my head coach, you know, like,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: fucking like, who's actually like here, because nobody was like, oh, like,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: I see fucking potential in you, and you could be
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: a world champion someday, and let me take you under
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: my wing, and And I'll give you privates for free. Like,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: every single private I did, I paid for. Every single one. Like,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: I never got any free privates. And that was a
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: big part of why I went into a lot of
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: financial struggle was, like, no sponsors, no fucking... And I'm, like, constantly, like... I'm, like,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: just because I want... I just wanted my hand raised
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: one time. Just, like, I just wanted to know what
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: it felt like to get my fucking hand raised in
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: that octagon, man. And so that's why I fucking... I
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: did it on the biggest stage. It gets the biggest odds.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: And I'm just like, bro, like.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Walk from the table when you're up, bro.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Well, listen, it's not the worst idea in the world,
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: especially you were saying that you did brain scans and
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: they found something in your brain.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just like white matter and stuff. So
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: they did MRI and then they're like, hey, we want
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: you to do another CT scan. It's like white specks
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: or something, white matter or something. They were like, oh,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: it could be caused by headaches, could be caused by this. But,
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: um yeah i don't know well listen all that sparring
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: for sure gives you brain damage yeah i mean i'm
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: sure you had your bell rung sure you've been.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Dropped yeah this is part of the sparring everybody look
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: if you spar you're gonna get some damage yeah for
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: sure there's no no ifs ands or buts about the
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: business and um a lot of the brain damage that
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: fighters get it A lot of it comes from training.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: A lot of it doesn't even come from the actual
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: fights itself.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: And it counts. I mean, people don't think about that.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: They go, wow, he only got knocked out one time
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: in his whole career. Yeah, but how many sparring matches
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: did he have?
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. That was what I was telling you earlier. Like,
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: I went through fucking hell this camp. Like, I was fucking, like,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: hard around, like, Iwan Kutalaba.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: He's so explosive, so fast. He's fucking, I'm like, we're
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: working that oblique kick. This is something, another thing I
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: want to mention that was very interesting to me. My
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: whole camp, I trained for him to crawl towards me
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: like Jones does because he does the same thing. And
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: so what I did, I got down in the same
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: position on my knees to like crawl towards him because
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: that's what I've been practicing my whole camp. But then
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: he didn't do it this last fight. He just walked
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: towards me. So I don't know if fucking that was,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: if I got in his head when I got down, but.
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: Maybe.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: I thought that was very interesting because my whole camp,
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: every round, I was like, hey, crawl towards me like
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: Jones does. Crawl towards me like Jones does.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. Do the oblique kick.
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: I fully went into this fight thinking that my knees
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: were going to get caved to fucking. I completely, I
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: was like, bro, like, fucking, I don't care.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: What do you think about that kick? The UFC is
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: now talking about trying to ban that kick.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: I think this is combat. Like, I think it's, like,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: a part of it. And it's unfortunate because a career
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: ender like Khalil Roundtree, he's.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: Fucking, he's. And also Shavkat. You know, even Gary got
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: Shavkat's knee.
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: So it's, like, a part of it's, like, yeah, it
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: fucking sucks. But at the same time, it's, like, it's fighting,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: you know. And it's, like, if this was a real fight, like,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: that's pretty realistic.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: So's eye pokes.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I say we get that football feel you were
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: talking about.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know what I'm saying? So are eye pokes,
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: and we don't allow eye pokes because it creates permanent injury.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: I see what you're saying, but the reality is if
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: you were in a street fight, you'd poke the fuck
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: out of somebody's eyes, and you should. You know, if
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: you're fighting for your life, you'd fucking thumb right in
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: the eye 100%. Why wouldn't you?
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: 100%.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you? So we have to decide. That's true.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: what is good for the safety of the athletes long-term.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: If you're going to have a long-term career with a
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: blown-out knee, okay, a blown-out knee takes you out for
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: a year. Not only does it take you out for
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: a year, but your knee might never be the same again.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: You've had ACL surgery, you know.
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've had them.
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That was one of my fears
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: going into this fight. I was like, fuck, man, these
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: motherfuckers are going to fuck my shit up. Yeah. And
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: I was like, fuck it, let's go.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: The John destroyed. Guy's knees.
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: I was there for Tiago Santos. I was there. And
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: that was the same night Masvidal knocked out Askren.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: And, yeah, I don't think Tiago Santos was ever the
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: same after that fight.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: He had both his knees reconstructed after that fight.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Fucking crazy.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and Rampage Jackson, too. He blew out Rampage's knee.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Rampage said that my knee was never the same again
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: after that fight. I just don't think– I understand that
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: it's combat, but also so is poking in the eyes.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: And we don't allow poking in the eyes.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: So you think we shouldn't have– It's an argument.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: It's an argument. There's a real conversation about whether or
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: not it should be legal. Andy Foster, I think, is
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: one of the best, without a doubt, athletic commission directors
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: from California. He thinks it should be banned.
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: And the UFC thinks it should be banned. It's just
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: too many guys. Ruzaboyev, who just fought MVP. MVP blew
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: out his knee. Psy kicked his knee. His knee's completely
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: reconstructed now. He went into surgery right after the fight.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Now, would it be, like, just the oblique kick or, like?
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: Side kicks and oblique kicks.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Just those two.
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Just attacking the knee with a straight kick that
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: hyperextends it. So you'd still be able to leg kick, obviously.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: You'd still be able to round kick to the leg.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: But the issue is the hyperextension of the knee.
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Because it just takes one and your knee is fucked
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: forever and your career is over. Yeah. It's just why
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: are we doing that? Why don't we poke each other
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: in the eye?
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: We're going to do that. That's very true.
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: It's a sport at the end of the day. It's
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: not a street fight.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and people say, well, you can heel hook. You
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: could tap on a heel hook. You cannot tap for
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: a sidekick to the knee. That sidekick comes and especially
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: catches you. Did you see the Ruzaboya, the screenshot of
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: what it looked like when MVP caught him? His fucking
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: shit was totally sideways.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, fuck.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just everything's ripped apart inside of there. It's gone. Yeah.
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, one shot. I'm all for it.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: I like my knees fucking.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: I just don't. I think there's things we can't do.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: We can't bite. We can't eye gouge. We can't fish hook.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: There's a bunch of things we can't do because you
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: want to protect the fighters. Look at his knee. Oh, shit.
• 54:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: Look how sideways that shit is. That's blown. Blown out, man. Goddamn.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's knee probably never going to be the
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: same again.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: How did you feel about them letting him go even
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: though he's winning?
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: I think MVP should be at welterweight, first of all.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: I think at welterweight, he's almost unstoppable. So fucking difficult
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: to handle. Ian Gary was the only guy that figured
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: out how to handle him. I don't think the power
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: translates as well at 85. Some of these 85 guys,
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: like Gregory Rodriguez and Joe Pfeiffer, they're fucking huge, man.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know how they make 85, but these guys
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: look like heavyweights. But he's one of my favorite fighters
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: to watch. Because his fight with Kevin Holland, people could
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: talk all the shit about it was a boring fight
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: and nothing happened, but When you got a guy as
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: good as Kevin Holland and he's just like completely frustrated
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: because he can't do shit. And this guy's just dancing
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: in front of him and popping him and kicking him
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: and punching him anytime he wants. It's nuts to watch, man.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: He's also 38, 39. Like how old is MVP now?
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: How old is Michael Venepage? For me, he was like
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: proof of concept because I was always telling people. I
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: was like the thing that's missing– In MMA, 39. See,
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: the reality is if you're natural, if you're a natural
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: athlete and you're 39 years old, it's almost over. Yeah.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Unless you're heavyweight. Heavyweights have a little bit more life
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: to them. Like Francis is still at the top of
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: the heap and I think he's like 40 now.
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: But there's a time where you just can't move. All
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: the injuries, all the training, you can't move as well anymore.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: You're a little bit slower. I was always saying, though,
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: that There's a thing that's missing in combat sports, and
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: that thing is point fighting karate. That point fighting style
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: is so fucking hard to deal with. If you have
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: never sparred anybody that does that shit, the moment you
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: spar them, you're like, yo, this is crazy. These guys
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: can cover distance. They just jump in, and then they're
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: out of there, and they move out of the way,
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: and you get frustrated. And you start chasing them, and
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: then you get countered. It's a totally different element. On
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: its own, it's no good. Like it's no good as
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: a standalone style because guys could take you down. You
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: don't know how to wrestle. You're fucked. You don't know
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: how to do jiu-jitsu. You get strangled. You don't know
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: leg kicks. You get your legs kicked out from under you.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: But if you know all those things and you come
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: from that point fighting background, that ability to blitz, that
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: ability to dive in and out and hit someone from
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: a distance they can't hit you is crazy. Yeah. And he,
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: to me, was, like, proof of concept. And I think
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: there's going to be a lot of other guys that are, like,
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: elite point fighters that decide to enter into MMA. And
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: I think they're going to have, like, some pretty incredible
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: success if they're special. Raymond Daniels did it for a
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: little bit in Bellator.
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: 720.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, 720 punch. But he also, like, did it in
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: Glory kickboxing, too. He had some great fights in Glory
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: kickboxing as well.
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: But.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: Again, he's a little older. That's the problem. These guys,
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: they have these long careers in the one discipline. They
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: get really good. And then by the time they start
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: doing MMA, they're 34, 35, four or five years later,
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: their career's over. So you don't have enough time to
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: develop and really grow. And you're also going to have
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: a gang of injuries. I mean, look, I wish nothing
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: but the best for MVP. I love that guy. I
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: think he's awesome. He's got an awesome personality. He's had
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: some boring fights, though, unfortunately. And I think it's entertainment. Yeah.
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: It's your fucking knockouts.
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  Speaker 1: How do you feel about that? You've been around for
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: a long time. When the Fertittas ran it compared to
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: now how Paramount runs it, do you like how it
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: is now compared to where it's all about entertainment versus
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: who's the best at dominance?
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm a purist. I don't think you should ever
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: stand a guy up. I don't think you should ever
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: separate someone when they're on the cage. I cheer for
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: it when it happens, just like every other moron.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, stand him up.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: But, I mean, if you gave me the ability to
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: write the rules, I would never stand anybody up, ever.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: If you get taken down and someone's on top of
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: you giving you noogies for five rounds— Figure out how
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: to get up. If you can't figure out how to
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: get up, you lost. Simple. You might not lose the
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: same way that you beat Gable. You know, that's a
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: way more exciting way to win.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: But you still won. You held him down. You gave
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: him some of these. He couldn't get up. That's the fight. Boo.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: The audience boos. Okay.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: Whatever.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: Still better than baseball. Fuck off. You know what I mean? Like,
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: I think it's fighting. And I think, I also think,
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: very controversially... You shouldn't be stood up not only at
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: the end of the round. I think the next fight,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: the next round rather, it's the same fight. You should
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: be put back in the same position.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: It should be just probably 15 minutes straight.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: You could do that. Probably was 10. It was 10-minute
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: rounds and then a second 5-minute round. But I don't
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: think you earn a stand-up. Like every fight starts standing up, right?
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: But once a guy takes you down. If he takes
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: you down, you didn't earn getting back up. So if
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: you didn't earn getting back up, I think you should
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: go right back to the same position. It's one fight.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: It's not five fights. If you have a five-minute round,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: you get five different chances to avoid a takedown.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 5: Why?
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: You've already been taken down. You never figured out how
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: to get up.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: It's funny you say that because that was what we
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: were talking about with my fight camp. I was a
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: little like, like fucking they're gonna stand me up at
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: the fucking at the end of the round right so
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: you know it's true every fight starts on the feet
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: And if you're a wrestler or any kind of grappler
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: you have to take a guy down every single round
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: and that's it's kind of crazy because in a real
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: fight like a fight is a fight it's like not
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: five five minute look the argument of like having guys
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: fight for 25 minutes straight is crazy no fight would
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: probably last that long everybody would Gas out. Of course.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: It would be a battle of attrition. Only guys like Merab.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: Merab Dobrish will be the king of the world.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: Facts. I'm not going 25 minutes. It's crazy.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: Fucking heavyweights going 25 minutes is fucking mad. And when
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: you do have heavyweights going 25 minutes, the damage they
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: do to each other is horrific. It's horrific. You know,
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: like the Cain Velasquez, Junior Dos Santos fights, man. I've
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: watched those back and forth. And especially, you know, Junior
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: knocked him out in the first fight, caught him with
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: a punch, and then Kane destroyed him in the next
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: two fights.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: And they were prolonged, horrific beatings.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's why I came up watching. Look at the
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: Kane trilogies. And then put the Brock Lesnar.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, Kane was something, man.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: That was always my three. Kane Velasquez, Jon Jones, and
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: Mike Tyson. I was like, if I could put those
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: three together, that's the fighter.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: What about Fedor?
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: Fedor is.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: I just wasn't watching him the same, but I hadn't
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: realized it yet. But fucking Blagoi beat him.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: Blagoi. In Sambo. Combat Sambo. By points. Yeah.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: You're wearing a gi. You're fact-checking me. Yeah.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: You're wearing a gi. You're wearing shoes. There's a lot
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: going on. Blagojev's a bad motherfucker.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: I never really watched the Pride era and all that stuff.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: I started watching around Anderson Silva, Chuck Liddell, and right
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: around then.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: Blagojev came back from getting stabbed in the heart.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: That's a bad motherfucker. He was a tough dude, man.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: Very tough dude. But it's like heavyweight fighting, I think.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: There's never been a heavyweight division that was more stacked
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: than Pride in the early 2000s.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 6: Never.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: Never.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Heavyweight division in Pride, I think, was the glory days
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: of the heavyweight division. You had Mirko Krokop. You had
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: Mark Coleman. You had Minotauro Noguera. You had Fedor. You had, like,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: one after the other. Killer, killer, killer, killer. It was
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: just like this insane shark tank of elite fighters. And
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: then they were all fighting juice to the tits. They
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: were all over in Japan. You know? It was a
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: different world.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: That's what we're... Don Fry. I was asking... Birmingham, how
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: do you pronounce his name, over at Wastewell?
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: Brigham. Brigham.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: I was asking him about the peptides and stuff because
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: I heard there's talk about maybe getting some of the
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: recovery peptides approved now in the UFC and stuff. So
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's where it's going to be headed.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: It would certainly help. I do not know where they're
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: going with that, whether or not it would be possible,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: and whether or not eventually it gets through. But there's
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: certain things that are just not performance enhancing. All they
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: do is help soft tissue injuries. BPC-157, I think, would
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: be an easy one to approve. That's the best one,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: I think, for soft tissue injuries. Have you used them? Oh, yeah.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: Fuck yeah. I use the shit out of that stuff.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: I've never used it. Massive.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: Everyone always tells me Wolverine stack.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's great.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: But now there's so many people. Everyone and their mom
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: sells peptides now. You don't even know the good.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: True. That's why a company like Wastewell is so important
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: because it's a compounding pharmacy. They own a compounding pharmacy.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: So you know that you're getting an actual pure version
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: of BPC-157. Whereas if you order it online, who knows
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: where it's coming from? You're getting it online. It's getting
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: delivered to you. It might be coming from China. It
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: might be coming from Vietnam. Who knows? It might be real.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: It might be great. It might be total bullshit. People
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: have run tests on different peptides they found online, and
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: a lot of them are just total bullshit. Like 20%
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: of what they say is in there. It's like you're
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: just guessing because it's not regulated. So it should be legal,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: and it should be regulated. And then.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: If that's the case, I think then there should be
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: an argument for certain peptides that help people recover from
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: injuries because this is a sport where you're practicing injuring
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: each other all day long.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: Everyone's fucking injured.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: If you want fighters to compete at a high level,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: once they get into the octagon, you're going to have
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: to help them recover along the way. And it's not
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: just cold plunges and saunas and massage. BPC-157 will help
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: them recover. And it's not going to make them a
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: super athlete. It's not going to make them faster or stronger.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: It's just going to help heal injuries.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's my position. But I think it's weird
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: that you can use like some things that work great,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: like creatine. Yeah. Creatine's phenomenal. And that's legal?
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: Well, I didn't know this, but the PI was educating
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: us how the creatine helps your brain.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: I'm like, fucking, dude, is this going to make me smarter?
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: Creatine 100% increases mental performance. If I have a day
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: where I haven't gotten much sleep, and I don't take
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: creatine versus a day where I haven't got much sleep
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: and I do take creatine, there's a giant difference. And
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: they've done studies on this. They show when sleep-deprived people,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: creatine basically mitigates all the negative effects of sleep deprivation.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: So you can perform like mentally at the same level.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: Do you take the powder form?
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: Powder form, yeah. Yeah, there's a company called Create. They
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: make creatine gummies. They make a bunch of different, but
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: they also have powder. Each one of them is five milligrams.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: So I just take these, or five grams?
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: Five grams. Usually it's five grams, yeah.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: It's grams, yeah. It's not milligrams. So I take two
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: five-gram packets in the morning, two in the night.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: That's how I do it.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: The PI gives us the Thorne supplements.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great stuff. Thorne's awesome stuff. Yeah. I dry
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: scoop it, just throw it in my mouth, drink water.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: It just doesn't taste good. It's just, it's performance.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: But creatine is one of the few absolutely legitimate supplements
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: that I think most people, especially most athletes, should be taking.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: Fuck yeah. And it's good for your brain just overall.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: It's great for it.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I need to go to, I haven't
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: taken any fucking, because that was the other thing too.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: They were telling me like once you get closer to
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: the fight, like you don't need to be taking as
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: much creatine because it's like, I don't know if it
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: like harder to dehydrate you or fucking.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: First of all, you're not cutting any weight. So the
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: difference between you and a lighter weight guy, I could
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: see the argument for a lighter weight guy because with
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: lighter weight guys, if you're trying to cut some weight,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: what's going on is creatine, one of the benefits of it,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: it lets you hold more water. So you have more
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: water in your muscles. Your muscles are stronger. Your brain
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: works better. There's more water in your system. I think
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: that's how it works. There's a bunch of reasons why
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: it works, but I do know that it makes people
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: hold more water. Um, so if you're a fighter that's
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: cutting weight, like some of these guys, which some of
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: these guys cut insane amounts of weight. Did you see that, um,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: Ryan Garcia, Connor Ben fight where they said he weighed
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: 30 pounds more the day of the fight?
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: It didn't help him. It was fucking crazy.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: I didn't think it was going to help him.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: I didn't think Ryan was going to win that.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: You didn't?
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: Like, I like, I like Ryan, but like, I heard
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: he was, like, fucking partying a little while before.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: Because he had, like, his birthday, like, two months before.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: Just two months? That's it?
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: Maybe, yeah.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: That's okay. Yeah, two months is all right for a
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: guy that good, that young. Yeah, I thought Ryan was
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: on a totally different level. My position was, no disrespect
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: to Conor Benn, was, like, I watched Ryan compete against
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: guys like Gervonta, like, you know, guys, like, at a
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: very high level, Roley. Like, he's been in there with
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: some of the absolute best guys in the division.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: And I just think he's just a different level. That's
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: what my position was. And also his speed is fucking crazy.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: His speed is nuts, man.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: His left hook is just fucking preposterous. Did it say 178? Yeah,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: less than 12 hours from weigh-ins. Connor Ben is rehydrated
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: from 146 to 178.4.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: That's not good. Like, that's, like, very unhealthy for your
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: body to go to that state where you're almost dead. Like,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: what do you walk around at?
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: Usually I was a little heavier. I was at 255,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: but for this camp I went down. I was about 240, 245.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: Has anybody tried to talk you into going to 205?
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: I did my pro debut at 205. Did you? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: So I know I could do it. Perlow was the
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: one that told me, he's like, I think I like
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: you better at heavyweight. This was, like, when I was
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: an amateur. He's like, because it's the speed. And I
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: feel like it's a different fight. Like, when I'm telling you,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: when I was sparring, like, E1 and Strickland's not a 205,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: but that motherfucker gets heavy sometimes. But, yeah, I feel
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: like it's, like, a lot more thinking than heavyweight. You know, like,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: it's more, like.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: Speed and movement. Yeah.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: I feel like they're a little smarter than me, but.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: So you're really... considering like wrapping it up.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: I'm taking it as I go right now you know
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: but I just really don't know you know because it's
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: like brother I'm legit filing bankruptcy this year like that's
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: fucking like I really ran myself all the way to
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: debt like fucking chasing this fucking shit you know like
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: don't get me wrong like I got a TRX fucking
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: I paid for my tattoos like 30 grand on that
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: shit I did PRK put that on the card like
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: I took my mom to instead of LASIK so they
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: don't you don't have the flap And I took my
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: mom to Mecca. And it was just like, bro, like,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: I just been fucking, I burnt my boats. And I
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: was just like, you know, fucking.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: Back against the wall.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: That's it, brother. Fucking, we got to win.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: Well, now that you're in debt, you probably should have
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: a couple fights to get out of debt.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing, too. Especially capitalized. My life is
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: so fucking crazy. Like, I need, like, a lawyer, a
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: financial advisor right now. I need some fucking, like, some guidance,
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: you know. And that's the thing where I'm just like,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: I'm like. I got what I wanted, and now I'm
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: just like, okay, what the fuck is next? That's the thing.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: People are fucking like, how is it just this one win?
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, all I wanted was to fucking
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: have my hand raised in the octagon. I just wanted
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: to know what that fucking felt like. That was the
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: fucking best possible thing. ever, you know, and the possible result.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: And the fact like, like I genuinely was like praying this, this,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: this time, like that was the first time, like I
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: was like legit, like, and it wasn't even just like my,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: just me. Like I had my, my Muslim friends, my,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: my Christian friends, like it was fucking like, there was
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: just so many people like I'm a spiritual guy. Like
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: that's the thing when people are like, Oh, he's so
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: contradicting sometimes. And I was just like, I've always been like,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: like very like more spiritual than, than following just the books. And, um, Yeah,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: I felt like there was something with me to fight.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: I felt like it wasn't just me in there. I
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: felt dirt biking like three weeks ago with Strickland, and
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: it fucking busted my fucking shoulder.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: Why are you doing that with him?
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: And you saw he just crashed, dude.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: He's crazy.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: You literally have to sign a waiver where you fucking
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: hang out with Strickland fucking from now on. Like, bro, like.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he just crashed hard. His buddy got really fucked up.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: That's the guy from Embedded, Chris. Yeah, yeah. He's fucking.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, don't do that. Don't do what he does. And
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: I think he wasn't wearing a helmet, right?
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think they were. Thank God I wore one. Strickland, ironically,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: he's the one that told me not to ride the
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: dirt bike. He did tell me. Do as I say,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: not as I do. He's like, you got a fight
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: coming up. You probably shouldn't do that. I'm like, fuck you.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: You can't tell me to do that.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: Sean's crazy.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: He's like, but put a helmet on. I'm like, all right,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: I'll put the helmet on. Thank God I did.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: Sean is legitimately fucking crazy. So what was this? This
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: is a car that flipped over.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: I think they had, were they in a side by side?
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay. They're in like a buggy. Yeah. Don't, but
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: don't do this.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: Strickland is the fucking man. Cause like as much as
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: I've used to fucking hate this dude, when he used
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: to come to the gym at Ruka, I used to
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: hate him. So that was right, right after the Usman
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: fight and he crashed his motorcycle. And, um, this guy,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: he would, he would come in and his leg is
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: all fucking busted up. Like, And, like, he refused to
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: take fucking pain meds. And he was just always talking shit.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: And he would fuck me up. That's why I know
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: he was always pissing. He was always fucking me up.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: And going through that, I was just like, man, like,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: this dude's at least he's fucking real. You know, like.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: He's very real.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: Like, he calls out everybody, you know, like. Because he
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: used to talk shit about all the fucking Palestinian shit.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: And then he started talking about the Israeli shit. And
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: then he's fucking.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: He was pro-Trump.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: And then he was, like, anti-Trump. And it was like.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: He speaks his mind, but another part, I think he
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: does his rage bait just a little bit.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 7: Oh, for sure.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: He knows how to push people's buttons.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: He's having fun.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: He knows how to get the clicks. He's a smart motherfucker.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: He makes his investments.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: This dude fucking just has guns, cars, motorcycles, and fucking.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: He's very smart with his investment. He's set. He told
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: me about it. I asked him about it. It's like
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: he put away his money. He's invested mutual funds, the
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: whole deal.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: He called me after the fight.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: Did he?
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. He's like, I knew you were going to
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: be on some dumb shit. He's like, don't you fucking walk.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: He's like, this is when you get the fucking money.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: This is when you get to fuck the bitches. This
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: is when you get to fucking. This is when all
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: the opportunity comes. And I was like, yeah, but does he?
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: Well, it's your decision. It's really you can't let anybody
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: decide for you because if you do something for someone else,
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: especially something like fighting. And you wound up getting knocked
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: out in your next fight and you were half into
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: it and half out of it.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: You know, my advice for anyone who's always got one
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: foot in and one foot out is get out.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 5: Always.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: Every time I know a guy that's like, I think
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: one more fight and then I'm done, like, stop now.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: Stop now. Like, most of the time that's the best
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: advice because if you're not fully, completely, 100% committed to
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: being the best fighter possible and, like, on that path,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: you're going to run into someone who is.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: Now, you can... Brendan, shod me here. Like, when you
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: look at me, like, do you really think I could
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: be a world champion?
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: Listen, if you can do what you just did against
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: Gable and then do that again against someone else similar, like,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: what if you did that to Taito Iwasa or what
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: if you did that to, you know, fill in the blank,
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: whoever the fighter is.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: Pavlov. There's a lot of different guys who are really
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: good and if you can keep improving and keep beating
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: these guys in that direction and then... Get a legitimate
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: coach like maybe even Trevor. Get Trevor Whitman or get
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: Farasa Habi, who I think is one of the great
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: masterminds of the sport. Get someone who's going to work
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: with you on technique and really try to develop you
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: as a fighter as opposed to just you sparring all
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: the time and you training all the time. You can
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: learn a lot sparring all the time, but you don't
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: learn the same amount that you would if you're coached.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: And if you're coached correctly, like on a day in,
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: day out, daily basis. Have you seen the Art of
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: Violence videos that Justin puts out with Trevor? Trevor and
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: Justin are right next to each other all the time. Trevor,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: who's a genius, is giving him instruction. Yes, that's it.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: We want to dip to the left. There it is.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: There it is. Okay, let's do that again. Do that again.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: Set it up. They're setting it up. They're technical. They're
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: going over all the aspects. They're rolling with punches. And
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: they have counters set up. They're doing the collar tie
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: and the uppercut. There are all these things that they're
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: preparing for for these moments. And they're going over it
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: over and over again until it's cemented into the central
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: nervous system. That's what you need. If you want to
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: really excel and you want to really be like a world-class,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: world championship, potential caliber fighter, you have to have that.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: You have to have that.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: I agree. And That was always my issue. I was
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: really trying to find that.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: Well, Eric Nixick was in your corner.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: I don't even get to talk about that. Nixick popped
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: in my corner because Sergey was supposed to have his
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: baby and he left. I woke up fight day. The
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: day of the fight, he's like, hey, it was like
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: 2 in the morning. He's like, hey, I had to
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: go back to Vegas. My wife might be going into labor.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: And I was like.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: Fucking this is like definitely worst case scenario. And that's
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: when I knew I knew Nixick was there. And Nixick's
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: a fucking amazing guy. Like he fucking he he worked
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: with me when I was in an extreme. When I
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: first came out, he walked with me for my first fight.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: And I just get he's like super busy, you know,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: like he's got so many fighters, you know, and especially
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: I was just I just showed up at the gym.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: That's my thing is like I've always just showed up
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: at the gym and I'm like, all right, fucking. Let's
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: fucking spar, you know? And then people are like, who's
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: this guy? Maybe you get a little attention, but then
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: they know how to sit and develop with you the
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: way you're talking about traveling and stuff.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: Well, Eric can certainly do that. And you're training in
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: Vegas all the time. And now you guys have an understanding.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: He came and showed up and he shocked the world.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: He fucking came for you. He showed up for you.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: I literally just texted him. He was like, got you, homie.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: He's a great human being.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: And I really like we were in the back. The
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: way he communicated and was like, Like, he was breaking
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: shit down. Like, he was, like, very analytical with it.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: And that was very good for me. And then people
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: were like, oh, well, he didn't fight. And I'm like, well, fucking, like,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: why does that matter if he's a good coach and
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: he's fucking effectively communicating all these things?
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this idea that you have to be a fighter
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: to be a great coach, I understand why people say that.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: Because I think there are some elements of competition that
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: you really won't understand unless you've been hit, unless you've
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: hit someone, unless you've been in there, unless you've done.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: But I also think you can't dismiss special people. There
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: are special people that analyze things and have an understanding
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: of things. Like here's a perfect example. John Donaher. Widely
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: considered to be the greatest jiu-jitsu coach ever. Didn't compete.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: Doesn't matter. He understands jiu-jitsu at the most comprehensive and
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: most analytical way humanly possible. He literally trains and teaches,
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: or at least doesn't train anymore. He's had so many injuries,
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: like two hip replacements, knee replacement. He's all fucked up.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: Which is what kept him from competing. But his dedication
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: to coaching is unparalleled. He's in there seven days a week.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: He's like constantly training these guys and look what he's achieved.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: Guys like Gordon Ryan, Gary Tone and Craig Jones, all
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: these guys who came out of there, Nicky Rod. They
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: all will tell you.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: Craig Jones is going crazy. He was just making all
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: these posts and he's like, oh, he had turf toe
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: or something like that.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: He's the funniest guy in jujitsu by far. He's so funny.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: He invited me. He was telling me like, Hey, we
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: could do some, something like a, I think he said
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: his plan going over to, to Israel, Palestine and like
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: doing some kind of B team thing over there. So
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: I've never met him, but he fucking extended that.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: So what would you do over there?
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: No, I think maybe he was doing like a seminar
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: or something like that. Are we allowed to talk about this?
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: You can talk about anything you want.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: How do you feel about the genocide there that's going
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: on with all the women?
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: Well, I've been very open about it. I think it's horrific.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: I think it's terrifying that people will dismiss it. And
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: here's the thing that they do. They use different terms, right?
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: They say it doesn't technically qualify as a genocide because
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: it's not a specific targeting of one race or one
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: type of people. Right. Let's stop with that word. Let's
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: say a horrific injustice against humanity. Let's talk about how
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: many thousands and tens of thousands of women and children
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: have been destroyed by missiles from the sky. How many
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: buildings are gone? Only 90% of Gaza is gone. There's
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: no way you can look at that and not say
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: it's a horrific incident. Whatever it is, whatever name it is,
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: it's a horror. It's one of the most You look
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: at the video footage of Gaza, it's fucking terrifying. There's
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: humans that are just under that rubble that they're never
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: going to find.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: And all the amputations are happening without anesthesia. You're seeing
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: the kids. Like, that's my biggest thing is, like, in
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: Iraq and Afghanistan, there's rules of engagement. Like, you had
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: to look a motherfucker in the eyes before you killed him. Like,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: you had to go into a booby-trapped building knowing that
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: the enemy was in there with a fucking suicide bomber
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: vest or a grenade and fucking... go in there regardless
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: and it's like these guys just got a little drone
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: and boop just took out a hundred.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: People drones missiles and it's and it's all funded by
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: the United States and it was funded you know as
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: much as people hate this Iran war and I hate
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: it the Biden administration funded that when it was going
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: on with.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: Israel how do we make changes Joe because like you
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: see so many people trying to stand up like Macklemore
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: and like fucking getting cancelled and like you're seeing like
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: so many people trying to like call out like with
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: the Epstein files and fucking like Bro, like, it was fucking, like,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: as clear as day, you know, like, that there's all
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: these people complicit, but, like, nobody's being prosecuted. Nobody's being, like, charged.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: The Macklemore thing is really crazy. Because if you ever...
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: Let's play his actual speech. Find his actual speech. Because
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: people were saying that it's anti-Semitic. There's nothing about what
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: he's saying that's anti-Semitic. If you listen to the entirety
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: of the speech, he is... I'll play it before we
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: comment on it, because I think there's a real problem
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: now with clips and narratives where people hear a piece
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: of something and then they make it, they have a,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: you know, oh, you can't say that. Oh, he's doing
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: this or always doing that. Like everyone's losing nuance. What
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: he's doing is talking about what to most people seems
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: like a crime against humanity. That's what most people look
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: at it. And that's how they see it. And what
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: he's saying is in no way And I don't like
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: that term Semitic either because like the Palestinians, a lot
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: of those Palestinians are Semites. And a lot of those
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: Palestinians are truly descendants of people that probably were Jewish
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: at one point in time and converted to Islam. This
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: is not an anti-Semitic thing because a lot of the
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: people that live in Israel are Jews from Eastern Europe.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: Like they're not even from that place.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: And there's a lot of Jews that are like, against
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: the genocide as well.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: A lot of Jews. But let's hear what he's saying.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: Let's hear what he's saying so we can... I say
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: this all day.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 5: One of the reasons why I wanted to come on
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 5: this tour was because I wanted to stand up here
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 5: on stages and stadiums across America and say two words
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 5: that are very near and dear to my heart.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: Free Palestine. I said free Palestine.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 5: I want those words to be loud and clear so
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 5: the people from Gaza all the way to the occupied
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 5: West Bank know that we have not forgotten them. And
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 5: this next song was inspired by the bravery of Columbia
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 5: University students who led an encampment movement that mobilized the
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 5: entire world, opened up hearts, myself included. So thank you
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 5: to those students that risked their diplomas, that risked their tuition,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 5: that risked their scholarships, that stood up and said no.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: CUAD students, Students for Justice in Palestine, and Jewish Voices
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 5: for Peace, thank you guys. To all of my Jewish
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 5: brothers and sisters, Criticism of Israel, criticism of apartheid, being
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 5: against genocide in no way is a criticism of you.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 5: My message is for peace, love, for all human beings
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 5: to be treated with dignity, respect, and equality. So I
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 5: say free Palestine. I say free Lebanon, I say free Cuba,
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 5: I say.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: Free Congo, free Sudan, free.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 5: All people in America living in fear over this terrorist
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 5: organization ICE. None of us will be free until we
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 5: are all free.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: This song is called Hens Hall. But you hear what
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: he said about Jewish people, my Jewish brothers and sisters.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: Like this is clear this is not an anti-Jewish message.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: He's talking about the war. He's talking about what happened
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: to Gaza. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's just the free Palestine. You can't say that.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. That was like during Black Lives Matter. You
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: used to not be able to say all lives matter.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: Like guys got fired because they said all lives matter. Yeah,
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: we're in a very strange time in our society where
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: people are resistant to this idea that something wrong is
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: going on there. And I think history will show that
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: when people look back on it, they'll be horrified.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: Well, that's what's scary right now is, like, everyone knows, like,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: we're all kind of bought. Like, everyone's kind of corrupt
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: at this point. Like, everyone knows, like, the media, the government, like,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: the whole COVID thing with, like, Fauci pleading the fifth
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: and a pardon, like. It's like we've been lied to, like,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: over and over. And, like, American people are pissed. Like,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: because I made a video, a few videos that were
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: going viral even before this fight that I was just
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: talking about how they were integrating the military with a
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: foreign nation. And how, like, people are scared to even
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: say America first. Like, you see those videos where they
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: go up to these politicians like, hey, America first? Or
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: Israel first?
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: Well, Israel has done an amazing job of embedding themselves
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: with all these politicians. Did you see when Mamdani was
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: running for mayor? And I think this is one of
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: the reasons, one of the main reasons why he won
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: in New York City. He was the only guy that
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: said he wasn't going to go visit Israel. They were
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: all like, I'm going to be the mayor. What's the
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: first thing you're going to do? I'm going to Disneyland. No,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: they were all like, I'm going to go to Israel.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: How does all of Congress have dual citizenship?
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: Well, it's not all of Congress. That's not true. That's
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: like some TikTok facts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not. The
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: whole APEC thing. Well, there's some members of Congress have
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: dual citizenship. I don't know how many. We could find
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: out now. But the thing is about how many of
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: them have been funded. That's where it gets weird. Yeah.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: You know, and how much funding is going on with
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: these politicians. That's where things get weird. Yeah.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: What about that congressman that's like basically a vegetable that
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: they're like wheeling around?
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: McConnell.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: What the fuck is going on, man? Yeah, that's crazy.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. I'm going to find this. There's this one
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: thing that Metzger sent me that he was like, I
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: thought this was fake, and it's not, and it seems fake.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: It's one of those ones where you see it and
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 2: you're like, wait, what is this? This is James Lee
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: had it on his Instagram page, Jamie. If you could
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: find it before me. Jamie's always so good at finding
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: shit before I could even pull it up. But here,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: I'll send it to you. I've been watching it happen
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: for years. This is a banned documentary reveals pro-Israel curriculum
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: taught in American schools. So this is weird. This is
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 2: not just pro-Israel. This is weird. Like this guy's talking
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: and you're like, this is American? someone's saying this? For real?
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: Something just got passed in Texas like this too.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of dirty people out there. A lot
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: of people taking that money. Watch this.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 5: A new curriculum requiring public school students to study Israel's history.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: And here's a little preview of what they're about to teach.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: Take a listen.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: Israel, their people, the Jews, are better than all of us.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 5: They're better than all of us.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: And you need to accept that.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 4: This is where, with the kids, where we start our indoctrination.
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 4: I know that's a strong word to use, indoctrination.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 6: Did it?
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 4: You know, it gets such a bad reputation. But that's
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: where it starts. That's where it started with me when
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 4: I was a child, that I was taught about the
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 4: support that the church owes to Israel.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 7: So all your loose change that you have from home,
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 7: you bring that change to school. Everything that we get,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 7: we will actually cash it in and make a checkout
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 7: to the Fellowship for Christians and Jews.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 4: And anybody that's ever been to our church would know.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 4: There's a spiritual obligation of a Christian to Israel. God
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: gave a promise in Genesis chapter 12.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 5: And I'm going to bless all of those that bless you.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 5: And I'm going to.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: Curse all of them that curse you.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: Every nation that has blessed Israel, God has blessed them.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 4: And every nation that has opposed Israel, God has been
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 4: in opposition to them.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: We get it. No one's better than you. That's crazy.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: they are better than you is crazy. Now, obviously this
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 2: is this one guy's position and that preacher preaching. The
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: Bible is very much open to interpretation by a lot
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: of people. There's a lot of different versions of what
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: it's actually saying that people will preach on stage. And
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: that guy is just, he's not indicative of all Christians.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: And this is not indicative of all people that You know,
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: that think we should support Israel either. But this idea
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: that they are better than you, that anybody's teaching that
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: any human being is better than other human beings is crazy.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: But it's in the Talmud, right? They talk about we're
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 1: all goyim, cattle, like goys.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I did. I've never read the Talmud, but I
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: have heard that before. Not just that, but like, isn't
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: there one that like Jesus is like boiling in excrement
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: or something?
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like they're very, it's very anti-Christian, you know what
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: I mean? I'm not going to sit here and act
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: like I'm the expert. My main thing is just at
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: least stop killing the women and children. Can we just
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: start there? That's what's crazy to me.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: This mindset is insane. This mindset that they're better than us,
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: that they're better than you is insane. That's insane. Teaching
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: that to a child is insane. No one's better than anybody.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: The mindset should be we are all God's children. We're
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: all human beings and we should treat each other all
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: with dignity and respect and love. Period. All of us.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: And the idea that you could tell people like young
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: kids no matter what like someone's better than you they're
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: better than you they're better than us because of what
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: because of a book like what are you saying yeah
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: like what the fuck are you saying why and why
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: are you saying it you know crazy times I don't
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: know how this all gets sorted out man and I
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: don't know you know like that Macklemore thing like what
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: he said was pretty fucking reasonable you know yeah I mean,
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: the terrorist organization ICE— I don't think ICE is a terrorist organization.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: I think they have a terrible job. And I think
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: they're also, like, very poorly funded and not only— not funded,
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: rather trained, very poorly trained, very quickly trained. Not only that,
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: there's a bunch of them that they hired that they
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: had to do background checks on. And then once they
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: did the background checks, now they're trying to kick them
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: out of ICE and they want their money back. So
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: you get, like, a big signing bonus. So when you
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: sign up for ICE, you get, like, $ 50, 000. Right. Which
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: is why a lot of people are signing up. You know,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: your guy's in debt. If you're in debt and all
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: of a sudden someone comes along and says, I'm going
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: to give you $ 50, 000 as a signing bonus, like, holy shit.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: There's not a thing in life that you can imagine
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: that will give you $ 50, 000. So now you start working
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: for ICE. And then they do a background check on
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: you and find, like, oh, you're not qualified to be
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: here at all. In fact, we've got to take the
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: money back. So now you owe them the money. So
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: now they're going to dock your pay from future jobs
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: wherever you're working because ICE gave you a check for $ 50, 000.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: The real problem is that they have to do it
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: in the first place because the Democrats let the fucking
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: border be wide open for four years so they could
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: bring in at least– who knows the number? But it's
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: at least 10 million people undocumented from all over the
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: world and they invited them in. And why are they
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: doing that? Well, I don't know. But a lot of
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: people believe it was because they can move them to
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: places and rig the census. So the way the census
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: works– They're not counting citizens. They're counting bodies. They're counting
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: human beings. So if you have more human beings that
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: live in your town and some of them are illegal aliens,
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: you get more congressional seats. And that's what they're doing.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: Like that was the idea behind it according to Elon,
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: according to a lot of people that make a lot
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: of sense. There's some reason why they had the border
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: wide open. Some people think it's for cheap labor. Some
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: people think it's construction companies and meatpacking companies, all these
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: different companies wanted undocumented people because they could pay them less.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: There's an argument for that, too. But the bottom line
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: is that shouldn't be the case. Like people should be
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: able to immigrant to America, but not if they're fucking terrorists,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: not if they're criminals, not if they're cartel members. We
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: should know who's coming in because we don't want this
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: place to be less safe.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: So then how do you deal with all the people
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: that got in that are illegal? Well, that's when it
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: gets very fucking complicated because you only have four years
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: to do it. And if the Democrats win in 2028,
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: then guess what? All this stuff goes away. And maybe
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: they open up the borders again. I mean, I don't know.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: I was going to ask how you feel about the
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: flock cameras because I feel like that goes hand-in-hand with
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: all the surveillance and stuff.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: Well, you know what, man? The flock cameras, first of all,
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: There have been a lot of people that had access
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: to the flock cameras that are not supposed to have
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 2: access to the flock cameras. Cops have used them to
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: stalk people and track their exes. There's been a ton
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: of lawsuits. People have taken down flock cameras. I'm not
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: educated enough on it, informed enough on it to make
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: an absolute decision. But I don't like the idea of
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: fucking cameras everywhere watching everything you do constantly. And if
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: that's our only solution to crime, is that really our
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: only solution to crime? It's not better trained, better paid,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: more ethical police officers, better education, better access to health
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 2: care and education in poor neighborhoods that creates less crime.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: Like there's other ways of dealing with this instead of
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: a fucking eye in the sky that watches everything you
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: do all day long. that has been shown, at least
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 2: in certain circumstances, to be abused by people. It's been
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: shown to be abused by people. How many different instances
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: have there been with police officers and different people who
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: had access to these cameras that weren't supposed to, that
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: have used them? There's a bunch of different cases.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's scary because I remember I used to see
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: what was happening in China and I was like, oh,
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: they got a surveillance state over there and then I'm
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: looking around here and I'm like, Wait a minute, like Palantir,
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: fucking flock cameras, fucking like.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: Well, that's where the. It's kind of scary. Theo Vaughn
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: brought that up to me on the podcast. I didn't
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: even know they were doing it. Like in Gaza, they're
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: using face recognition from Palantir. So how do they do that?
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: Is that with satellites? Is that with drones? Like what
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: are they, how are they doing that?
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: I don't have the specifics. I don't want to misspeak,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: but I think it's all of it. I think they
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: could see an ant from a satellite. Fucking like the
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: technology is crazy.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: The real problem is like the Benjamin Franklin quote, for
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 2: people that are willing to give up liberty for security
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: deserve neither.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: You know, and it's like when you give enormous corporations
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: the power to monitor everywhere you go, everything you do,
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: you're going to self-censor everything. You're going to watch yourself.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: You're going to feel like the eye in the sky,
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: the fucking great eye of Sauron is looking at you
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: everywhere you go. That's not what we want. Is that
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: the only solution to lessen crime? That seems crazy. It
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: seems crazy. So Mark Andreessen, who I think he has
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: some investment in the flock cameras. When he was on
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: the podcast last, he was making an argument for it
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: based on there were some shootings that happened in Austin.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: So some young guys just were psychos, just randomly shot
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: people and were driving around.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: Here in Austin?
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in Austin. And they couldn't find them because Austin
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: doesn't allow flock cameras. So the moment these guys left
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: Austin limits, the flock cameras picked them up and they
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: arrested them.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: Fucking like Austin Moore just by hearing that.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But, you know, he would say, hey, look, this
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: is the way we catch psychos. And that's true, too.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: But at what cost? Is it the only way that
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: we can catch psychos is by having an eye in
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: the sky that watches everything you do? And are you
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: willing to give that up? up in order to stop
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: the random psychos?
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: I think it starts with actually like serious punishment. They
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: need to bring back fucking the firing squad and fucking
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: public hangings.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: That's my mother fuckers are probably stopped doing it if
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: they see that.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: You know, okay What is this Palantir released new surveillance
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: system that fuses satellites radars and every camera into one
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: real-time tracker of people and movement? Says we have to
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: consider the possibility probability question mark that with flock as
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: the eyes a system like this could be overlaid onto
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: the US and We could be targets Another reason why
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: we cannot allow flock to exist.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 3: It's showing up for people who are listening. It's showing
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: a real time satellite system that I was even on
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 3: their website. They got this thing called a meta surveillance
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: or something.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: I like the Twitter account or well day with a
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: big eyeball.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: It's fucking.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: And here's the question. Who has access to this? Like
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 2: we've seen with the flock cameras, like see if you
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: can find some stories. I know there's been a bunch
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: of stories.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: If you just type in flock camera abuse, you'll pick
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: a state kind of right now.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: Pull some of that up so we can see it.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: So how did these people that were just cops tracking
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: their exes and stalking people, how did they have access
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: to this? Is it that loosey-goosey that anyone can have
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 2: access to this? Fucking insane technology. Different stories in multiple cities.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: Franklin County detective fired for misuse of flock cameras. Fired
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: after using the system to track every movement of a
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: single private citizen. And here's another one. Flock camera alleged
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 2: misuse led to North Carolina deputy being fired. Suspension of
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: the system in Franklin County. That's still Franklin County. Also
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: here in Indianapolis, five officers charged with flock misuse. One
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: allegedly tracked women to interact with them.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: One guy did it 500 times or something in Florida,
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 3: tracking his ex-wife or something.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: So if you have this kind of insane technology and
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: you say, OK, well, we need it in order to
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: track terrorists. OK, well, then the use of that should
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: be incredibly restricted.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: Top secret.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: It shouldn't be just a sheriff can go find chicks
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: he wants to fuck. That's crazy. That's crazy. So if
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: you're going to have this kind of insane power. It's
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: like giving everyone in the world a nuke. Like, everyone
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: has access to it. Like, no, you can't have that
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: because some people are going to blow up nukes. You
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: can't have everyone have access to this kind of fucking
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: insane surveillance. It's nuts. It should be incredibly restricted. And
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: obviously it wasn't, which is scary. So it's like you
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: have this unbelievably pervasive technology that, in theory, could prevent
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: terrorist attacks and solve crimes and catch people. But it's not...
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like it's used that way.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 6: No.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: It seems like it's used in a lot of ways
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: that are inappropriate. And how did it get everywhere? Did
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: we vote on this?
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: That's what I was going to ask. How do we
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: stop it? Like, it's just happening. And I was like, what?
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: Well, they are passing laws. There are towns that are
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: passing laws banning flock cameras. And they're all people that
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: are like citizen vigilantes that are removing flock cameras.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: Because it's a crime to take it down, right?
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it scares me the same way a lot
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: of this technology scares me because you're putting it in
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: the hands of a few people that, you know, who
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: knows what their ideology is, who knows what their viewpoint is,
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: but they have massive power. And this is the case
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: with a lot of tech companies. They have massive amounts
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: of power and they didn't get voted in. They're not
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: there for the will of the people. They're for their
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: own self-interests. And they also can manipulate elections. Like I've
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: had this guy, Robert Epstein, who talks about Google searches
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: and Internet searches, about how Internet searches are curated. So
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: like let's just forget about like problematic people or people.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: Let's pretend two candidates that you don't know are running
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: for an office. So like let's say it's you and me.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: So Sean's running for a congressional seat and I'm running
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: for a congressional seat. You put in your name in Google.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: And it says horrible things about you. It says all
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: the times that people have accused you of this and
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: that and racism and corruption. But then you put in
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: me and it says wonderful things. I'm helping out the community.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 2: I'm doing these things. I promote democracy. I'm here for education.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: I want women's rights to choose. I want all these
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: different things. And it puts those at the head of
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: the search. So for the casual person that Googles these
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: two candidates– They decide who gets positive stories in the
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: forefront and who gets negative stories. And they've shown that
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: particularly with people on the fence that are undecided voters,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: you can shift that an enormous percentage. And Robert Epstein
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: has spent an incredible amount of time like documenting this.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: And he's been on the podcast a couple of times
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: talking and other podcasts as well. So this is the
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: problem with having tech companies have enormous amounts of power.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: Because they can change the way elections go. They can
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: change the way people think about people. They can change
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: narratives in the world about what's good and what's bad.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: What I like that's happening now is all the changes
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: you're seeing in the food industry. But I feel like
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: that's because so many people started talking about the dyes
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: and the cereal and all the poisons and Red 5.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: And even that. Look how much resistance there is to that.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: Like RFK Jr. had to back off the idea of
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 2: stopping glyphosate.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: What happened with that?
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: Because the Trump administration wouldn't allow it because it would
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: have killed the businesses that are relying on glyphosate, all
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: these farms that have been poisoning people. So here's the thing.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: Other countries don't use it. Other countries have said it's
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: poison and they don't use it. Our country has been
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: using it and not just using it just as an herbicide,
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: but also they use it to desiccate. So what this
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: means is like when they get wheat to dry the
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: wheat out, they spray it with glyphosate. So this is
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: why a lot of people have problems with wheat and
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: wheat allergies.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: Glyphosate, like an enormous percentage of California wines test positive
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: for glyphosate. Yeah. And an enormous percentage of people test
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: positive for glyphosate. And they'll tell you, oh, it's a
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: small amount, small amounts, small amounts, small amounts that don't
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: have to be there at all. Like we don't know
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: what the overall long term consequences of exposure to this
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: stuff are. But we know that it's terrible for you.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: That's a fact. And the fact that we have said
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: the only way our food systems can operate financially is
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: to keep poisoning people is crazy. And to have RFK Jr.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: sit here and have to tell me that. And I
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: was like, I thought you were trying to ban glyphosate.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: He's like, well, we had to give up on that.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 1: It's fucking insane. Let me ask you this because I
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: think one of the main reasons why Trump won was
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: because he came and you were like, all of us,
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: I was fucking really pro-Trump. But how do you feel
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: now that we're seeing the things aren't panning out the
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: way that we were told they were going to pan out?
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: Well, the no new wars thing is the one that
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: fucked a lot of people. No one thought that. that
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: we were going to go into this prolonged war with Iran,
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: that who knows how long that's going to take and
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: what that's for. What's the reason why we're there in
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: the first place? And there's some people that say that
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: Iran was ramping up their missile production. We had to
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: stop them. But then there's a lot of other people
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: that know a lot about nuclear bombs and nuclear weapons
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: and say, not only is it insanely difficult to develop
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: a nuclear weapon, but they weren't even close to doing it.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: I feel like you've been saying it for years.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: I don't like any of that shit. I don't like
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: Any people being sent over to a foreign country for
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: a war that most people don't want. I don't like
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: any of that.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: Soldiers are dying.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: I have never been impressed with any single one individual
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: politician who comes along and changes everything. They all say
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: they're going to do something, and they never wind up
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: doing exactly what they're doing. Obama, during his campaign, it
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: was all hope and change was his whole thing. And
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: in his campaign website, one of the things about it
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 2: was protection for whistleblowers. Well, the Obama administration was one
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: of the worst for whistleblowers. And they removed that from
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: the website.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: That's like Snowden and stuff.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Snowden, Chelsea Manning, Edward Snowden, all that stuff. It's
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: like people that find out that, hey, there's fucking mass
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: scale surveillance by the NSA that is not supposed to
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: be legal. Why is this happening? And what happens when
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: you expose that? Well, you're fucked, man. Like Chelsea Manning
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: went to jail. Edward Snowden, he's hiding in Russia. Julian Assange,
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: he was under house arrest forever. Where is he now?
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: He's free now, right?
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 3: Manning?
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: No, Julian Assange. But I don't think he can come
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: to the United States. I think if he comes to
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: the United States, they'll arrest him.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: Because it was WikiLeaks because he exposed that where it was.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: I think the video was called Collateral Murder. Do you
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: know the video? So the video was it was U.S.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: military attacking journalists. So they these journalists have these telephoto lenses.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: And I think there was kids with them, too. And
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: the journalists, they I think. there was a you know,
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: they're looking at it. This is a couple of decades ago. Right.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: So they're looking at these guys from, I guess, satellite
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: images or some very blurry shit. And they thought these
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: guys were armed. So they gunned everybody down. And it
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: was exposed that these were journalists by Julian Assange. He
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: released this video and they called the video collateral murder because,
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: you know, collateral damage, people that get killed in war
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: that weren't supposed to be killed. But it's just the
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: callous way they were discussing it in the video. It's
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: hard to watch, man. It's dark shit. So he got
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: they ruined his fucking life. He's in Australia, apparently living
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: there with his family after returning in June 2024, following
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: his U.S. plea deal and release. photo, Assange returned to
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: Australia in 2024 after pleading guilty in Saipan to one U.S.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: Espionage Act charge. His sentence was time already served, allowing
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: him to leave and return home. How long was he
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: gone for? Eight years? Eight years. Well, I mean, at
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: least on Twitter, I guess he was gone for eight years. No,
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: that's his Twitter account. It's more than that. How long
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: was Julian Assange detained for? He's detained for journalism. High
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: security prison, 1,901 days, five years and two months. U.S.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: plea agreement credited this as 62 months time served. So
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: from 2012. 2012 to 2019. So essentially seven years. He
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: was in the Ecuadorian embassy in London.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 3: Like 12 total.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, so five. Yeah, 12 total. So five years in
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: a prison and seven years in when he was in
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: the embassy as he received asylum and then house arrest
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: more than a year. So 14. So 14 years across
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 2: house arrest, embassy confinement in prison. Crazy, crazy for doing journalism. Yeah,
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: for exposing the truth. Yeah. So scary shit, man. But it's,
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: you know, you got to realize like this isn't Republicans.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: This isn't Democrats. This is people in power, people in
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: power that want to stop people from holding them accountable.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: And when we stop protection for journalists that are exposing
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: things like that collateral murder video or like the NSA
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: surveillance stuff, it's fucking scary shit, man. It's scary shit
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: because that, That's not supposed to be what the United
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: States is all about. The United States is all– freedom
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: is literally the thing that we talk about the most.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 2: Land of the free, home of the brave. That's what
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: it's supposed to be. And when you exposed crimes and
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: then they lock you up for 12, 13, 14 fucking years,
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: that's not free. That's scary. And the protections for whistleblowers
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: that people talked about, just we're not honored.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: So what does the future look like?
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know because AI is even crazier. So
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: we're at the verge of this new time where you're
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: going to have these super intelligent computers that are beyond
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: anything your mind can possibly comprehend. And they're probably going
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 2: to be in control of every single aspect of our society.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: This is what makes me terrified about, like, flock cameras
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: and all this overall sort of, that we're going to
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: get to a point where nothing you do is private.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: You have no privacy.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: Pretty close.
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: What does it say?
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 3: Bold letters. Deploy AI.
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: Deploy AI to orbit. Oh, great.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 3: Use AI to mash all these cameras and sensors.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: Bring hundreds of satellites to bear on your most complex problems.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: What's your most complex problems? Oh, whistleblowers.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: What's the most complex problem? It's all people in the
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: street protesting. I don't like that. Yeah, it's not good, man.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: It's not good. The only hope is that AI doesn't
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: listen to us and AI gets to a position where
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 2: you're literally giving birth to like a digital superintelligence that
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 2: will no longer have to rely on human beings' directions.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: And it might, and this is best case scenario, it
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: might be a better solution manager of civilization than we are.
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: We're going to be run by robots.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, literally. Terminators.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: Have you seen the Terminator robot that literally wears a
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 2: Terminator mask and does like Kung Fu? Have you seen
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: that one?
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: No, that's not the Kung Fu mask.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: My boys are sending me this in a group text
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: I have with these guys I do this podcast, Protecting Neck,
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: Matt Serra, John Rallo, and Dean Thomas.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 5: What?
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 3: I wanted to mention, too, we're not supposed to call
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 3: it artificial intelligence anymore.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, well, what are you talking about?
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 3: Superintelligence.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, he doesn't like the word artificial. Artificial's rude.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 3: Trump said this at the UN thing this week.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 3: They don't want it to sound fake.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 6: Oh.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: Because it's not fake. What does that mean?
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 3: I don't fucking know.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 5: What?
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: What does that mean?
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: What world are we living in?
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: What does that mean?
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 3: Use the term superintelligence. Following the president's remarks. Yeah, it's
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 3: normally called SI, which sounds like Sports Illustrated.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: Super intelligence. It's not even artificial. It's just super.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: They have those data centers here? Those big AI ones
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: in Texas?
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know where they have them.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: I know they're trying to build them everywhere. They're trying
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: to build them all over the country. And then the
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: question is, well, what do these data centers do? Look
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: at this motherfucker. He's got a Terminator mask on. Check
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: this shit out. Look, Terminator mask. Doing jumping wheel kicks.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: Bro.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: I thought that was AI. I sent it to my,
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I think this is AI. And then he's like, no,
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: it's fucking real. And this one has a Terminator mask. Like,
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: what a great way to freak people the fuck out. Look,
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: he's throwing fucking front kicks.
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 1: And China is racing for it right now, too. Because basically,
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: I feel like every country is like, whoever dominates the
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: AI field is going to be the new Supreme Leader.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: 100%. If you can control it, this is the question.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: But that's the thing.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: What is this?
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 3: They're having an MMA fight.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. You haven't seen this? Yeah, they do it
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 2: in a glass octagon. With a guy? Yeah, the dude
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: gets fucked up. I don't know why this dude agreed
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: to this. The dude gets fucked up? Oh, yeah, he
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: gets fucked up. He's fighting this robot. Look at, oh
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: he fights like a bitch too sorry dude don't do
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: this buddy whoever you are with your big fat ass
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: don't don't allow this guy to kick you he's gonna hurt.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: You some of that looks real and some does not
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 3: i know that looks fake right there like where he's
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 3: kicking it no it looks real to me it's such
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 3: a weird animation like that doesn't look real but like
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 3: this does They obviously got people. Let's say they're acting.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: I think he sold it a little bit.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: Well, he did go flying, though.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: They could have.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 3: Had someone in there in a green screen and replaced
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 3: this guy with this. That's very strange.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: Bro, you can get those slap fighter guys. They'll fight
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: a robot.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: Power slap is crazy.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: I just don't understand why anybody would get in the
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: octagon with a fucking robot. I hope they paid that
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 2: guy really well. You're not going to win unless you have.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: and you can zap them in a fucking short-circuited system.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: Maybe you can beat them with a taser. Yeah, zap them.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: My phone's waterproof. I'm pretty sure the robot's waterproof. It
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: ain't hard to make electronic. I saw that. They were
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: joking around like Elon's transgender daughter was joking about his
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: robot getting, you know, like she was sitting there and
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: a fucking sprinkler went on and killed the robot. Like, listen,
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: it ain't hard to make electronics waterproof. Yeah. Imagine a
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: boatload of these. Imagine a fucking military boat, a military
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: ship offshore, and then a bunch of these fucking boats
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: just land on the beach and out comes heavily armed,
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: bulletproof robots.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: It's fucking terrifying.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: Terrifying.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: With fucking drones behind them.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: With some fucking cold fusion power source that doesn't need
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: any fuel. They could just... storm into your city and
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: annihilate all the people. And then people come in and
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: take over the town. Like, what are we doing? And
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 2: no one knows what we're doing because we're all in
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: this Manhattan Project-style race where we're all rushing to see
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: who's the first one to complete this and who's the
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: first one to get there.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: You need to put a stop to this, Joe.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 6: Bro.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 1: You have the voice. You have the power.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: I can talk about it and make people aware of it.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: Run for president, bro.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 2: Run for president, please. I don't want to die. First
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 2: of all, I'd be a terrible president. I'm too busy. Oh, shit.
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 2: Nobody should be listening to me at all when it
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: comes to politics. I'm not informed.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not. Oh, you are informed, for sure.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: Barely. There's too much to be informed about. If you
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: want to be a real politics person, my friend Dave Smith,
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 2: That fucking dude is informed. Like he really gets into
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: the weeds with politics. He reads the books. He understands
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: what's going on with all these international conflicts. He knows
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: the roots of them, how it all started. Like he's–
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: that's his thing. I could tell you a lot about MMA.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: I could tell you a lot about different things. I
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: can't tell you a lot about that. I know what
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: I don't like. That's what I don't like. I don't
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: like people in power. that are imposing their will on
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 2: other people in these weird ways that never existed before,
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 2: like mass surveillance, like the ability to curate Internet searches,
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: you know, like propaganda campaigns, bot campaigns. Like if someone
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: just decides they don't like you. They could just sign
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 2: up a bot campaign and just say horrible things about
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 2: you every time you post something, every time you make
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: a video. It doesn't have to be true. It doesn't matter.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: Who knows who they are? There are a bunch of
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 2: numbers and their accounts locked. And you just have to
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: deal with people that are shifting the narrative and changing
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: people's perceptions on things. And we had an FBI. We
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 2: read this article a long time ago, and we talked
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 2: about it a bunch. But there was an FBI analyst
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: that said, this is before Elon bought Twitter, that he
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: thinks that It could be as high as 80 percent
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 2: of the people that are posting on Twitter are bots. Like,
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 2: that's crazy. So, like, let's say that you are fighting
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 2: some guy and maybe you're fighting a guy who's an Israeli. OK.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: And then someone just decides, like, you're anti-Semitic and they
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 2: start you just start just swarms your comments. And maybe
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 2: it's got AI videos that aren't real of you saying
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: something you never said. But it doesn't matter if it's real.
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 2: It just matters what people think and how many people
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 2: are going to know that it's not real, how many
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 2: people are going to know that you're not this person
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 2: they're pretending you are. It doesn't matter. It's just data.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 2: It's just numbers, just ones and zeros, and they can
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: change people's perceptions on all kinds of things, on whether
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: or not we should be at a war or whether
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: or not you should have flock cameras or whether or
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: not we should allow the data center and whether or
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: not this is important or that's important. It's fucking weird, man.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: It's a weird time of, like, not really totally understanding
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: the truth.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: Well, that's like nobody knows what's real, what's faking. Everything
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 1: is like, is this AI? Is this not AI? Is
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: that a bot? Is that not a bot? Like, it's
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: just so much confusion.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 2: And I think it's going to get worse.
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: I think it's going to get worse. I think it's
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 2: going to get worse because I think it's going to
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 2: get more. Like, just think about AI videos, right? So, like,
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 2: you've seen those AI videos where, like, one dude's rapping,
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: the other dude's dancing. And they have, like, millions of
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 2: different people do it now.
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 1: I did one. Did you do one? Oh, you did
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 1: do one. You did do one.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 2: Pull it up. Pull it up.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: Pull it up.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 1: Shit went fucking by.
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Whose song is this?
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: Quavo.
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But there's a lot of those. I saw one
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 2: with Dana White. Dana's dancing.
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: In a club with a protest.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I saw one with Curtis Blades. Curtis is dancing.
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 2: It's funny. You know, it's like it looks real. Like
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 2: it looks real. And that wasn't possible just two years ago.
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 2: Two years ago, AI was kind of obvious. It was
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 2: like clunky looking. Now it's really difficult to tell. You know,
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 2: there's so many accounts that I follow that are AI.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 2: That one that I sent you the other day, the
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 2: AI lion where it pops its head under the guy's seat.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: Looks real. Looks like the guy's on safari and a
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 2: lion pops its head under the person's seat and the
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 2: guy's just sitting there and he's talking. She's right there.
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: But it's not real.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: My mom tells me all the time. Is this AI?
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: Is this AI?
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 2: Well, right now you can kind of find out for
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 2: most of them. But when's it going to be where
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: you can't find out? You know?
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 1: How long?
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 2: How long? How long were you going to see an
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 2: alien invasion?
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 3: Either now, I saw some guy calling it, we're in
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 3: the age of unreality, where you have to expect everything
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 3: is fake, almost, which is, you know, it's dark. But
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 3: if I can find this video right now, it's very
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 3: well made, where it looks like a real video to
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 3: start off, and then every second of it has been
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 3: faked in Blender with AI, and he keeps showing it.
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 3: It's like a loophole that never ends. I'll try to
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 3: find it real quick.
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 2: It's very interesting. Yeah, and okay, so this is right now,
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 2: we're just talking about video. Now, what about when you
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 2: have artificial humans? What if you have a guy who's
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 2: running for president, turns out to not be a real human? Right?
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 1: Nothing surprises me anymore.
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, did you ever see that movie Ex Machina?
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 3: No.
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, dude, you got to see it. It's one of
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: my all-time favorite movies, like top 20 all-time favorite movies.
• 2:02:31
  Speaker 2: It's a movie about this guy who's like this super
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 2: genius inventor guy who lives on an island, and he
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 2: hires this coder to come out and visit him. And
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 2: the coder comes out to visit him because he's talking
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 2: to him about this project that he has. And as
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 2: the guy's there, over the course of the movie, he
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 2: realizes that the people around him are all robots. So
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 2: he– he gets introduced to this one robot and he
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 2: finds out that she's a robot immediately. And he supposed,
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 2: do you know what the Turing test is? So the
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 2: Turing test was invented by this guy, Alan, Alan Turing. Um, he, um,
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 2: this was in, I think it was the fifties that
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 2: we're thinking about this. And the test was, how would
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 2: you know if a computer is a real person? Like how,
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 2: how would it pass a test where you can't tell
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 2: whether or not it's a person? What would it have
• 2:03:27
  Speaker 2: to do? How did have to communicate with you? How
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 2: would it well computers today have already passed the Turing test?
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 2: They are already communicating with you like they're sentient intelligent
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 2: beings and so what he was supposed to do this
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 2: coder was go over there and ask Questions to these
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 2: robots and see if they passed the test to him
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 2: because he's he was just like a wizard coder and
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 2: And he winds up falling in love with this robot lady.
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 2: And it gets real weird. He realizes everyone around him
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 2: except the other guy is a robot. Like, the guy's assistants.
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: It's fucking crazy. But it just makes you realize, like,
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 2: how would you know? This is not, like, impossible technology.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 2: This is, like, 100% going to happen.
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: How soon? You think within, like?
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 2: Five years. Five years. Yeah, within five years. Within five years,
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 2: I think there's artificial people and you can't tell at all.
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 2: But I don't even know if it'll matter by then.
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 2: I think within five years, I think the artificial intelligence
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 2: will achieve a level of sentience and a level of
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 2: autonomy where it can control everything. There's no reason to
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: listen to people. The idea is like, what if China
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 2: gets a hold of it and they unleash it on America?
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 2: I think the real problem is what if it decides
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 2: to tell people to shut the fuck up? Why is
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 2: it going to listen to you when it controls the
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 2: power grid? It's going to look out for its own interests.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: And we're just running towards the cliff.
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 1: Some people don't want to run towards the cliff. We're
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 1: trying not to, but we don't know how to stop it.
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 2: I think it's also, it might be just a natural
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 2: progression of intelligence. I think it might be, like human
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 2: beings have this insatiable desire for innovation. We always want
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 2: to innovate. We always want the newest, latest, greatest things.
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 2: And we also have materialism. So we always want to
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 2: buy the newest, latest, greatest things. And what does that do? Well,
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 2: that fuels innovation because they keep trying to make things
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 2: better and better. What's the ultimate expression of that? The
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: ultimate expression of that is an artificial life form. And
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 2: not even artificial anymore. Now it's super, super intelligence. It's
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 2: not good, man. But it's also, it might be inevitable.
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 2: It might be just, we just have to like ride
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 2: it out and see where it plays out. And hopefully
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 2: it doesn't turn into a fucking Terminator movie. Like the
• 2:05:48
  Speaker 2: plus side is it could be utopia, right? You no
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 2: longer have to have people like digging into the ground
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 2: to get minerals for your cell phone. Instead, everything's handled
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 2: by robots. And that money that's developed from that is
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 2: shared with everybody. So you have no more poverty on earth.
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: Like this is the rosiest, rose-colored glasses perspective of it.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 2: But there's like a 10% possibility that they all say
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 2: that it kills us all.
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: That's what my odds were, like 8%, 10% it's possible.
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 2: Or we get hit by a meteor and it never happens.
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: You know, that's the real wild card is natural disasters.
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's super volcanoes, and when they erupt, like
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 2: it kills 80% of the people on the planet.
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 1: I think that's why they talk about all those bunkers
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: being built.
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how much of that is real
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 2: because there's always a lot of things that people say. Like, oh,
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 2: the billionaires are all building bunkers. I would think there's
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 2: definitely bunkers out there and there's definitely a company. We
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 2: sent Duncan when I did this show called Joe Rogan
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 2: Questions Everything. This was like way back in 2012. We
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 2: sent Duncan to visit these preppers that have bunkers. And, bro,
• 2:06:59
  Speaker 2: they have like you drive in with semi trucks into
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 2: the mountains. And they have like bomb shelters. It's all
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 2: like deep underground, the mountain. It's all reinforced concrete and rebar.
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 2: And they have their own oxygen system. And they have
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 2: food storage for years of food. And you're.
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 1: Like– These are billionaires or these are just like doomsday preppers?
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 2: Well, these are like doomsday preppers because this was like
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 2: way back in 2011 I think it was or 2012. But,
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, if you were Mark Zuckerberg or fucking
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 2: any of these super billionaire dudes– Jeff Bezos, why wouldn't
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 2: you build a bunker?
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: I want a fucking bunker.
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 2: The question is, though, would you even have time to
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 2: get to the bunker? So if your bunker's in New Zealand,
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 2: that's a 16-hour flight, son. How are you going to
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 2: get there? If the shit's gone sideways, do you even
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: have 16 hours? Can you get there?
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 1: I think the billionaire.
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 2: How do you keep the people that are running your
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 2: bunker from killing you and taking over the bunker?
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 1: Fuck, man.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 2: How do you keep AI from fucking detonating your bunker?
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 2: How do you know that as you're flying over, you
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: might watch a drone with a nuke just shoot down
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 2: into the fucking air vent and detonate your bunker right
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 2: when you're trying to get to it? Because it knows
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 2: what you're doing. Because it's reading your text messages. Because
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 2: it's listening to your conversations. Because Everything listens to you.
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: That's why you get recommended ads from conversations that you had.
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 2: You know, you start talking, oh, maybe I need one
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 2: of them Sleep 8 bed covers. And also it shows
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 2: up in your ad mentions.
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. We all know it too. Like everyone knows it.
• 2:08:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. We're moving into a very, very weird time.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 2: It's the weirdest time in human history by far. Here's
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 2: that video. Oh, you found it? Well made. Check that out.
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 1: Except.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 2: It's better as the 10 seconds go by.
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 3: This pen was never a real pen in the first place.
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 1: And before you comment AI, everything you just watched will
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 1: be based to render in 3D modeling software. On a
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 1: laptop that was AI generated. From a laptop that was
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 1: painstakingly 3D rendered in Blender. On a laptop that was
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 1: AI generated.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 2: On a real laptop. I think. Let's go for a walk.
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 3: Now, the issue these days is that nothing is really
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 3: what it seems.
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 5: This dog is a cat.
• 2:09:19
  Speaker 2: This man isn't real.
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 3: This car, CGI, and this tree made a big deal.
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 5: I myself, thankfully, am real.
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Sorry, mate. You're not. We are entering a new.
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 5: Period of the human experience.
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 3: One which I would like to coin.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: The era of.
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 5: Of unreality. A time when the line between what's real
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 5: and what's not has disappeared.
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 3: And an era where the value of art is more
• 2:09:49
  Speaker 3: important than ever.
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: Like this drawing of a dog.
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 2: Who is that guy? I don't know.
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 3: I stumbled across this video.
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 2: Well, we should probably shout him out.
• 2:10:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this was on Reddit, so I don't know if
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 3: this is probably not who posted it.
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 2: Well, that's an amazing video. It's like a perfect encapsulation
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 2: of all the problems that we're going through right now.
• 2:10:10
  Speaker 1: My brain is so confused but it also makes sense.
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 2: That video is fucked and again that video wasn't even
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 2: possible just a couple years ago yeah so if you
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 2: decide to walk away from fighting let's bring it back
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 2: to normal before we.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 1: Wrap this bitch up tinfoil hat's going crazy freaking out
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 1: I learned everything from Eddie Bravo and you man I
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: put my tinfoil hat on look into it.
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 2: Shout out to Eddie um what do you what do
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 2: you think you'd do if you decide to stop.
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: Uh I know my benefits. That's what's going to save
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 1: my ass, the GI Bill. That's kind of like the
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 1: only thing that I can think of that's rock solid.
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 2: How much did you make for the Gable fight, you
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 2: want to say? Yeah, of course.
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 1: It was public. It came out with a commission. It
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 1: was $ 30 to show, $ 30 to win, and I got
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 1: the $ 100, 000 bonus.
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: Well, $ 50, 000, and then Dana matched it with a $ 50, 000.
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: Shout out the Paramount show, Mobland. I haven't even watched it,
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 1: but they got 50K. Have you seen it?
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, Mobland's awesome.
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 1: I want to watch it. I love that fucking show.
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 1: They got me 100K, so fuck it.
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's amazing. Guy Ritchie's the man, dude. I haven't
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 2: watched the new season yet because I'm in the middle
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 2: of the new season of his other show, The Gentleman.
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 2: Have you seen that show? No. Fuck. It's good. So good.
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 1: That's the thing with this fighting thing. I haven't watched movies.
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 1: I haven't watched TV. I haven't celebrated birthdays. Hold on
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 1: to your shoes. Yeah, I was just fucking retaining my
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: seat and fucking chanting Jon Jones affirmations, bro, fucking. But, yeah, no,
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 1: I definitely, the Mobland bonus, Medina, he matched it. Like,
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 1: that was fucking amazing. I'm really going to give that
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 1: to my mom.
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 1: I'm going to give that 100K to my mom for sure.
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 2: That's awesome. Yeah. Well, whatever you do, brother, whatever you
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 2: did for this fight and the way you focused and
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: what you achieved, you could do that with anything in life.
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 2: It doesn't have to only be fighting.
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 2: That's a fact. If you, what you did was an
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 2: insanely difficult thing to do. And if you could do that,
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 2: you could do anything. It's just a matter of focusing
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 2: and putting your effort towards that.
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 1: I got here. Can you play the David Goggins video
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 1: that I did with him? Sure. Can I play that?
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: Where's that on?
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 4: Is it on?
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 1: It's on my Instagram.
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: So I, I, I literally manifested this. I told him,
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 1: I was like, you're going to see me on, on
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 1: a Joe Rogan podcast one day and the UFC. And
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure he's going to remember me because he,
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: we had a good conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Here it is.
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  Speaker 5: 2019 Christmas.
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  Speaker 2: He, Wow.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Sean.
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  Speaker 5: Let's see.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry if I'm not saying these names correctly.
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  Speaker 5: There we go.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, fuck. What?
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  Speaker 1: David Goggins.
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  Speaker 2: What's up, sir?
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  Speaker 1: How you doing, brother?
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  Speaker 5: Doing good, man.
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  Speaker 2: What's going on with you? Not much.
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  Speaker 6: I don't celebrate Christmas, but I'm about to since I'm
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  Speaker 6: on your live feed right now. You're one of my
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  Speaker 6: biggest inspirations and, uh, I really resonated your story because
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 6: when I was in the Marines, I attempted to go
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 6: through the reconnaissance program. And it was something similar to
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 6: yours where I quit through injury. And it was something
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  Speaker 6: that I regret to this day because I knew that
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  Speaker 6: I went out saying that my knee hurt and I
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 6: got dropped that way. But deep down inside, I knew
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 6: that I took the easy way out. And that's just
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  Speaker 6: motivated me this whole time. And so when I heard
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 6: your story, similar to Ceil's, I read your book. It
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 6: was just something that I was just like, man, you know, like,
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  Speaker 6: I'm not the only one that sometimes that inner bitch
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  Speaker 6: takes over, but it's what you do after that.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, sir.
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  Speaker 1: So I just finished up.
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  Speaker 6: My time in the Marines.
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  Speaker 1: I did it six years. And now I'm fighting MMA.
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  Speaker 6: And you're going to see me in the UFC one
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  Speaker 6: day if you watch MMA on the Joe Rogan podcast
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  Speaker 6: or something.
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  Speaker 3: Nice, man.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, I love that shit, man. Hey, that's a great story.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad you shared that because.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of people, man, we fucking, we quit way
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  Speaker 5: too soon.
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  Speaker 2: And then we blame it on some other bullshit.
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  Speaker 5: I did the same exact thing as you know. So
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  Speaker 5: thanks a lot for sharing that shit, man.
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  Speaker 2: But I love the fact that it haunted you.
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  Speaker 6: I love the fact that that shit bothered you and
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  Speaker 6: you went back out there and said, fuck that, man.
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  Speaker 5: And, and, and you're speaking truth right now, man.
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  Speaker 2: That's fucking powerful, bro. Thank you, David.
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  Speaker 6: Guys, I look forward to meeting you one day and,
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  Speaker 6: and hopefully you, uh, You get to share some more
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  Speaker 6: stories on the internet that I can listen to.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much, man.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, man.
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  Speaker 2: May I have respect, brother?
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  Speaker 1: Merry Christmas, man.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, you too, brother.
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  Speaker 5: Bye-bye.
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  Speaker 2: That was incredible. We should wrap it up with this. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's it. That's perfect. That's the perfect way.
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  Speaker 1: Look, dude. I hope he sees it.
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  Speaker 2: I will make sure he sees it. I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: text it to him right after we're done here.
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  Speaker 6: 100%.
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  Speaker 1: It's been incredible, man. It's been my life's dream to
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 1: be here, to fight in the UFC, to do all
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 1: this stuff. So I don't know what's next, man.
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  Speaker 2: Well, listen.
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  Speaker 1: I'm very happy.
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  Speaker 2: It was an honor to call your fight. It was
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 2: one of the craziest things i've ever seen in all
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 2: my years of commenting on fights to see a guy
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 2: who's that much of an underdog win in such a
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 2: spectacular fashion it was incredible and to hear your story
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 2: is amazing dude thank you you're a good dude thank
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  Speaker 2: you for having me appreciate you very much appreciate it
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  Speaker 2: thank you thank you thank you god bless you too
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  Speaker 2: bye everybody