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"From Chaos Comes Clarity" with Jerad Downs - Lincoln Brazillian JiuJitsu · Caught on the Mike...

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  SPEAKER_00: One of the fastest, if not the fastest growing martial art in the United States today.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: Rising to prominence at the top of the UFC to finding famous enthusiasts, the likes of Demi Lovato and Jonah Hill.
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  SPEAKER_00: It has become popular not only because of its physical benefits, but also because of the increased mental acuity that it brings its students.
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  SPEAKER_00: Today on the podcast, I'm joined by my friend Jared Downs, one of the owner operators of Lincoln Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu in Lincoln, Nebraska.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is gonna be a good one.
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  SPEAKER_00: Ladies and gentlemen, this is caught on the mic.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_00: Jared, how you doing, my friend?
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  SPEAKER_00: Doing good?
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  SPEAKER_00: Good, good.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for uh thanks for doing this.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_00: Looks like you've had a uh a fun afternoon putting the work in.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean that's part of my job now.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_01: Gotta stay healthy, gotta make sure I don't get injured so I can keep teaching.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_00: Why don't you take a couple of minutes and tell our listeners a little bit about yourself?
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Started doing martial arts as a kid.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um I actually started in Millard, Nebraska.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh Steve Jenham, who you might know from UFC, like early, early on, I think it was number three.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh he was my first uh teacher.
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  SPEAKER_01: We did something called Taijutsu, which was basically early MMA.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um so depending on whoever whatever instructor we had there for that day, we did whatever style they wanted to do.
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  SPEAKER_01: So sometimes we did some judo, sometimes we did ground fighting, sometimes we did straight karate, you know, just depended on who we got that day.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um so I did that for a long time.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then I started uh fencing in high school, uh, did that for three or four years, and then went to college and didn't do hardly anything.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_01: Wanted to get back in shape, started going to the gym, realized I hated going to a gym.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um but I thought, hey, I like to do sports, I could do sports all day.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um maybe I'll get back into martial arts.
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  SPEAKER_01: So started doing uh jujitsu at Shore Shobakan here in Lincoln.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh I believe that was 2013.
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  SPEAKER_01: Started there.
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  SPEAKER_01: My coach was or my teacher was Conan Schaeffer.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh eventually we uh left.
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  SPEAKER_01: Me and Conan and Greg, the three partners at Lincoln Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Center, left there.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_01: Started our own place in 2013.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_01: And oh, I guess I started 2007 was when I started at Shoei Shobacon.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then uh 2013 we started our own place up on 40th and O Street.
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  SPEAKER_01: And last year we moved into this beautiful new building here at uh 40th and Prescott.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, fantastic! And this is a very, very impressive facility.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, if you follow us on our Facebook page, I will be posting a few pictures uh to go along with this episode of the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: How long is have you been running this establishment then?
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  SPEAKER_01: Um I've been full-time here since November uh 2019.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um I started, I was a partner uh from the very beginning, so early 2013.
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  SPEAKER_01: Been a partner, not not full-time, but teaching a couple classes um and then involved in the kind of business end of it.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um for most of that time I was working at Walgreens.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was a store manager.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I started yeah, right about that time I became a store manager when we when we started the uh the school.
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  SPEAKER_01: Maybe a year after that I became a store manager.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I was doing that full time and then doing a little teaching on the side and training a lot, and yeah, got to make the big leap last year to do this full-time and couldn't be happier.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_00: Fantastic.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's say somebody's listening to this, they have no idea what jiu jitsu is or Brazilian jujitsu is.
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  SPEAKER_01: Give us a little bit of backstory on jujitsu and kind of its roots and so jujitsu, Brazilian jujitsu is called Brazilian Jiu Jitsu because um there's this guy, Count Maeda, from Japan, was like a judo uh judoka, came to Japan and showed, uh, I believe Ilio and Carlos Gracie um judo.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: And he was a bigger guy and a stronger guy, and that's great.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was a really good system, but it didn't really work for the smaller, weaker guy.
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  SPEAKER_01: So Ilio and Carlos took the the concepts and they refined it over time to make their own style, which was instead of judo, where it's you know mostly about the throws and the trips and taking people down.
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  SPEAKER_01: They focused more on the actual ground fighting aspect of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's kind of where it came from.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's meant to be it's set up so technique can overcome strength.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um a little guy has a good shot against a bigger guy as long as they've got you know better technique.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's why it's really effective for you know self-defense type stuff, is because it's all built on like using leverage and using timing and and that sort of thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: If I had to describe it to somebody from Nebraska who doesn't know anything about it, I would say it's wrestling with a traditional martial arts uniform, but I'm not trying to pin you, I'm trying to break your arm or choke you.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's a that's a good way to describe it.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's uh jujitsu itself, Brazilian jujitsu, is still relatively young in the United States.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it really didn't I I think most of the the early, early people doing it, the black belts that moved to the United States, didn't really come here till like the early 90s.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So in terms of martial arts here in the US, it's one of the younger ones for sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it a lot of it got integrated once uh, you know, organizations like the UFC and such started taking off, and the Gracie family made themselves very prominent in that organization.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I like the the very early UFCs where Hoyce Gracie was even wearing the ghee.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, it was basically set up to be a big infomercial for Brazil and jujitsu.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh you know, they they they didn't pick, at least I've heard stories that they didn't pick the the best, most most athletic brother.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, they picked Hoyce, who was kind of like a skinny guy, didn't look very imposing, you know, going up against all these like bodybuilders and Olympic wrestlers and stuff, and you know, he was beating them with technique.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was really cool to watch.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's I've I've read that uh multiple times that if any of the Gracies were gonna be the prime example, it would have been Hickson, right?
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: So what do you think your mission is as an instructor and as a business owner?
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, as an instructor, I want all my students to be really good at jujitsu.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_01: I I find a lot of benefit from it from working out, so that makes me feel good.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um, knowing how to move my body, if I would ever come into you know a self-defense uh issue, I would know how to handle myself, which I mean by the way, mostly leave is how you handle yourself in a self-defense uh situation.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, if anyone put hands on me, I'd know what to do.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_01: So that's that's good.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's it's a brotherhood, you know.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_01: You make a lot of friends here, you're you know, struggling with them, and you make a lot of connections.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_01: So a lot of the people that have been coming, I mean, I've known them for a decade now, and I'd consider them all friends.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um from a business aspect, I want to you know make this place as as popular as as it can be, um, so we can keep doing more interesting things.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we we started an MMA program a couple years ago, and we can only do that because we have the ability to you know buy the equipment and bring in the coaches, and I'd like to do more of that, more equipment, more coaches, um, more full-time people.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I want to make a place where where all my friends can basically come and teach jujitsu and we can share it with everyone.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's that's something that seems to be uh very prevalent in uh the jujitsu circles is kind of the family-like nature of basically uh I had somebody describe it to me one time as your white belt year is a year of you getting choked out by your best friends.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: Is that true?
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it totally it totally is.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so we had a a gathering at my house many years ago.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um one of the very first jujitsu like professional jujitsu tournaments that they put on a pay-per-view.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was called Metamorus.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was God, I don't even know, seven, eight years ago, something like that, before before a lot of the professional jujitsu was really popular.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so I had a bunch of people over to my house, a bunch of people from the school, we ordered the pay-per-view, had a big potluck, whatever.
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  SPEAKER_01: And my wife was just stunned.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, every single person in here is so nice.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like none of your friends are a-holes.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, yeah, because if you have that kind of ego, you can't stand to get choked out by a hundred and thirty-pound guy, right?
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_01: You wash out.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_01: So the people that stick around are the people who can swallow their pride, have that small ego, and keep going at it.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_01: And those are usually pretty good people.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_00: So, what would you say the ratio is of people that stick it out versus those that just throw in the towel almost immediately?
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: Is it generally based on ego?
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't know.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_01: Because we get a lot of people who try it out.
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_01: We do a free week trial.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_01: We get a lot of people who try it out and just, you know, it's not for them.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_01: They don't come back.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, and and I don't usually hear from them why they don't come back.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_01: The people who come in and they try it and they like it, it is almost instantly obvious that they're like, they're hooked.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: You know, um, they see something about it, and there's something about the type of personality that likes it.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_01: So you kind of have to be not too concerned with like touching people, right?
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: Because we're grappling.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, somebody being sweaty while trying to like, you know, choke you out.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_01: That has to not bother you.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_01: So you have to get over that hurdle first.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: So that that weeds out a certain amount of the population.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: And then the people who it's like people who like puzzle games, people who like a challenge that they can see like, oh, okay, so if I learn all this stuff, then I can do more and I can see more of how this all works.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_01: And they kind of they know that it's really hard, but they see a path.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: Those are the people that their eyes light up when they come in and they're like, yeah, I need to, this is what I want to do.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_00: What is the what would you say is the common catalyst that inspires people to make the leap into trying Brazilian Jiu Jitsu?
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_01: Right now, honestly, uh like podcasts with Jocko and and Joe Rogan, I mean, they they send us more referrals than than anyone.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_01: You know, um, I mean, the the most common way I get people in the door is their friend tells them you should try it.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_01: But second to that, it's all I heard about it on Jocko.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_01: I heard about it on Rogan.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they're talking about it all the time.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_01: I need to try it.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I mean, you know, he's talking about Jocko Willink and Joe Rogan, and uh they both practice the art of jujitsu.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and Jocko even has a school now.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think I I think he does.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but other celebrities that are getting into it.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_00: Ed O'Neill, like Al Bundy himself, has a black belt in Brazilian.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, he's been around.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it's funny because if you get on YouTube and you go down that black hole and you watch some videos, he's not bad either.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like he's he's pretty lethal himself.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Demi Lovato, she used as it as a way to help her sobriety.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I think I even saw something on Instagram last week where she's kind of teasing that she might get into some amateur fights.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: I hope so.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: I do too.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_00: I do too.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: I would love to see it.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Jim Carrey's doing it now.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I didn't know that.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and he's actually, and I forgot which one of the Gracies is teaching him, but he's it's one of the Gracies that is teaching him.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: And then uh, of course, uh superhero actors like Henry Cavill and Margot Robbie are both doing it right now, too.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_01: So Aston Kutcher speakable.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I saw that too.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_00: I saw that.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's uh Jonah Hill, also he used Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu to help slim down.
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  SPEAKER_00: So um one of the more popular, I think, aspects, or one of the more popular people to speak out about Brazilian jujitsu recently was Andrew Yang, who was at one point in the uh Democratic primaries, and his exact quote was it would make us all safer if police officers were Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu purple belts.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: What's your take on that?
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, I think if uh cops have more tools in the toolbox besides a gun, then they've got more opportunities to use non-lethal force to control somebody, you know.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um that horrible was the the guy who got I think it was Jacob Blake who got shot in the back seven times or something.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I saw the video of that, and the cop was following him right behind him as he went around the car, got into the car, you know, and the cop ended up shooting him in the back because the guy wasn't listening.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_01: And if he had had the skill set to grab him by the shoulder and you know, kick him in the back of the knee and take him down, all that could have been avoided.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and having that, it's not even not even the ability, it's it's like the ability plus the confidence and knowing that how to do that and doing it often.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think you can avoid a lot of situations like that, you know, and you have various ways to hold people without hurting them and control them without you know having to resort to I don't know what they call them, like distractionary blows where they're like kneeing people in the head.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, well, you know, if you just bend their arm this way, then they can't move their shoulder, right?
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: Trying to work right now, um, have we've got I don't know, maybe 10 law enforcement officers who train with us.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I and the funny thing is I ask them, I go, how come, how come everyone on the police force isn't in here?
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: And they all look at me like I have no idea.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't know, I don't get it.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_01: We should we should all be doing it.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_01: The the ones who do it are like, yeah, this is necessary.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know, this is like it's it's a core part of their you know job skills that they need to know.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, they'd like to not put hands on people, but if they got to, then they need to know how to how to do it.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'm trying to work with uh at least one of the officers right now into figuring out how to how we can integrate our training into their their training with their their new recruits at the academy.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, fantastic.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_01: So we've been we've been working with them.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um still in the early stages.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know exactly how it's gonna look or how it's gonna shake out, but we're I mean we're having that conversation with them, and we really want to make sure that you know law enforcement has more tools.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_00: You know, not just law enforcement, just more tools in the fitness toolbox too.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I'm a I'm a 4:30 a.m.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_00: guy.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_00: I go to the gym every morning before I go to work, I get my cardio in, I get my lift on.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_00: And I it's a million times that this is like, man, if I could work something like this into that routine, just and this is kind of what's gonna lead to my next question for you is just the additional mental self-awareness that I would have, you know, just that additional control over my body.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, which is what leads to that question is why is a foundation rooted in martial arts so important to a person's self-development?
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you have to have you know self-control.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: So like if I were to go out and get wasted and then try to come in the next morning, like I'm gonna have a terrible time if I even make it.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: And something about doing jujitsu, like if you're the type of person who likes to do jujitsu, you get addicted to it, like like everyone.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: And it makes you change other aspects of your life just to be better at it.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, you know, I can't eat like a fat slob because I'm gonna feel terrible and I'm gonna train worse.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I can't go out and get get drunk because I'm gonna have a hangover and I'm gonna train worse.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_01: You know, every every day that I get to come in here, I want to be the best that I can.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: So I end up rearranging other parts of my life to be better.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: And the other part of that is, you know, the ego shrinking that that I've heard about on, you know, basically anyone who talks about doing jujitsu for a long time talks about you know that your ego gets really small for most people.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: You know, there's the kind of like people who come from other disciplines that are already have a really good base and they show up to a beginner class and they're beaten up on a bunch of white belts that don't have any any idea what they're doing.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they're a 16-year college wrestler and they're like, oh, this is easy.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, your ego's not gonna get any smaller that way because you're just beaten up on people.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: But for most people, you spend the first year or two in here, you know, getting choked, getting your arm hyperextended, and it takes a certain type of person or a certain type of attitude to come back after that happens, you know, and you can't be so up in your head and think that you're the best and then have it constantly prove to you that you're not, right, and to stick with it.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: So having kind of it's almost like you're having the ego beat out of you.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_01: I don't don't want to discourage anyone from coming.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: Right, but right, but that's really what it is, it's it's hard.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you get used to it, right?
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: But it's hard at first.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_00: But so do you think maybe like you were just talking about how why there's not more police in here.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: Do you think sometimes um there's a little bit of intimidation with maybe, maybe some of these guys, maybe some of these guys don't want to have their egos checked, or maybe they're intimidated by the idea of being choked out for such a long period of time, or you know, I don't know.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe, I don't know.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because I I've got a I've got an 11-year-old son, and he he does taekwondo, and we go on runs, he's addicted to Fortnite, like most kids his age.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_00: And uh so whenever he's with me on the weekends, he's with me.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: We go out on a run, we'll go lift it a little bit.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: And we've run by here a couple of times.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I said I've said to him, I said, maybe you should give this a try.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_00: And man, he's scared.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the hardest part is getting in the door.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_01: Once you're in here, you realize how much fun it is.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: Because we really do have a lot of fun.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it it's hard work, right?
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's one of those things where while you're in it, it's really hard.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: And once you're done, you're so glad you came.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and it it's like that with a with almost anything that's physical.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like you don't want to do it.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: You wake up in the morning, you don't want to do it.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: And then after you leave, you're like, oh, I'm so glad I did it.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: And I I think uh there's an adage that says uh what doesn't challenge you doesn't change you.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: So what is what is Jared's daily routine like?
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh man.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's it's different depending on the day because uh I pretty much handle all of the you know day-to-day business things with the school and I also instruct quite a bit.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: So uh usually I mean I I'll be honest, I got a dream job.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm uh I don't want to brag, but but you know, it's it's great.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: I I wake up in the morning when my son wakes up.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: He's uh 14 months old now, and I wake up when he wakes up.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: I you know take care of him all morning.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: Usually get to the school around 11 or 11:30, teach my first class.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: Then I've got some time in between classes usually.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: I uh you know do a little bit of working out or do some yoga, do business stuff, checking bank accounts, sending emails, changing the website, thinking about you know, merchandise we're gonna order, you know, email, email, email, email, talking to the bank, whatever it is, and then you know, teach a teach a youth class in the evening and then back home.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: A couple of episodes ago, I talked about my time playing music.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: And it was one of those things where your um your passion, you you're like a sponge for the things you like to do, and time just is a construct that doesn't exist anymore.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: I I can relate to kind of doing the business side of things where I would get home from my day job and I would be sitting on a computer and four hours has gone by because I was designing merchandise, doing all the the booking and all of that along those lines.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: So I can I can definitely relate to that.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_00: So, what are some of the other hobbies you have?
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't really have that many other hobbies right now.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um kids keeping me pretty busy.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um I ride my motorcycle every once in a while.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: I fix things around the house.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, really, it's mostly it's mostly jujitsu and and home life.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: You said 14 months old?
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: So when does he get started?
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, probably about three and a half.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_00: Excellent, excellent.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: So you said you've integrated an MMA component here to the gym.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_00: Talk to us a little bit about that.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: So we had a uh black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu named Nick Hanstein move here a couple years ago.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: And he is a very accomplished professional MMA fighter.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: You know, never never made it to the UFC, but you know, lots of uh regional and and international promotions and won a bunch of belts.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: And had at the same time we had some people here locally who wanted to get into fighting, and so we started with one MMA class.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: We've eventually brought in uh an instructor named Nick Norris, who is also a professional MMA fighter, uh moved to Lincoln from Columbus, Nebraska, and he teaches a couple times a week.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_01: So we've got four MMA classes now uh that we run every week.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um still very um Brazilian jujitsu focused.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: But integrating, um, you know, stand-up sparring.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Nick Hanstein is his style uh aside from Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, is he was a wrestler and does Muay Thai.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_01: And then Nick Norris is more of a traditional kickboxer.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um but yeah, having them in the gym is is really good.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: We we have people fighting in local uh dynasty promotions.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: Almost every time they have one, we'll have at least one fighter on there, and then you know it seems like once or twice a year we'll have a card with five or six fighters on there.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: So that's really fun.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: Really fun to do um to have them and go watch them, you know, show their skills off.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: Have you ever had it happen where uh a couple of the students here are in the same weight class and get paired against each other at one of those dynasty events?
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: No, um one of our one of our purple belts works with Dynasty um very closely.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um I don't know exactly what his uh title is there, but he does a lot of work for him.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_01: And uh so he helps us out with getting getting people on the card and finding fights and you know making sure we have uh basically the right fights for our people.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um so he's he's a really good conduit uh into that.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: We are in this uh almost semi-apocalyptic year known as 2020.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: How did the pandemic affect your training schedule as somebody that practices Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and somebody that does it for their own fitness and well-being?
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, basically when we shut down, I didn't train for a couple of months.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: And it was terrible.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't like it at all.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: I uh gained about 10 pounds, you know, when I came back, felt really winded and tired and weak and couldn't remember how to move right.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_01: Since then I've gotten it, gotten it back to where it should be.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, it was it was rough being off for that long.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_01: At the beginning, it was like, okay, well, this is just what we're doing now, and you know, oh, I get some time off, so I get some stuff done around the house, and that's all good.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: And then a couple months in, it's like, all right, well, when are we gonna when are we gonna get back to it?
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like, when are we gonna do this?
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: If I'm not paying for something, I have a hard time holding myself accountable, if I will.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm not a guy that just gets up in the morning and does a run around the neighborhood or lifts weights.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_00: I have to go to a gym, I have to have that certain structure.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: So when the gyms and such shut down, it's like my whole mindset shut down with it.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: And it was it was tough.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like I was running probably a seven and a half, eight minute mile before COVID.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: And then after about two months, because that was about my layover time too.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: Man, I'm still struggling to get back down to that.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and we we when we did come back, we came back very carefully and we had socially distanced classes, we had, you know, we bought a bunch of grappling dummies.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and you know, at the very first when we were talking about it, I was not not on board with the idea.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I thought if we're just gonna do solo drills, we're gonna do dummy drills, we can do it from home.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: You know, as it got more clear how long we were gonna have to be closed and how long it would take us to get back to anything resembling normal, you know, there's there's a part of jujitsu that's very social.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_01: And there's a lot of people who most of their friends are here, and you know, they miss their friends, they want to come in.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: So even though we couldn't really do jujitsu, we could do something that was close to jujitsu, and you could still see your friends.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_01: And so it was, you know, almost more of a social aspect than a technical aspect why we came back with the dummies at first.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I mean it it uh it it's really, really important that social part of it as well.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's uh and I gotta commend you guys because I I've been following you on Facebook for quite some time, and I I even spent the past couple of days trying to look for it.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: But the initial statement that you put forth when you did start slowly reopening was so socially responsible.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: And like, look look, I mean, before we started recording and before we started talking about this, I I said that I exist in very social, socio-political gray area.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I just I couldn't commend you guys enough for how you handled it and uh coming back into business.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, there's there's uh a public health angle to it where you know we do have to be very careful and and to be honest, that jujitsu is one of the worst things you can do during a pandemic, right?
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_01: And you're like breathing in your partner's face for an hour, but there's also you know the optics of it as well.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: So we have to not only be responsible but appear responsible to people who would be looking at us from the outside.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_01: So we've got an obligation to our members to be be as safe as we can.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but you know, at the end of the day, a lot of most of our students are adults, you know, and they can make their own decisions on what they're gonna do and the their own risk tolerance.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, and we we've taken a lot of steps to ensure that you know we can be as safe as we can be.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_00: Going back to personal fitness routines, what's more challenging for you?
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: The diet or the exercise?
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: Diet for sure.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_00: Me too.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_00: I uh I I often say, man, if I could just get my uh get my food under control, I'd be in phenomenal shape.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: Where uh where do you see yourself a year from now in the business?
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: God, I hope just back to normal.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_01: I hope we're back with um, you know, one of the things that we didn't bring back is open mat.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: So open mat is a time, it's probably anyone who's done jujitsu for more than maybe a year, overmat's almost always their favorite class because they just come in, you know, it's a couple hours, you roll with a bunch of people, uh, you have a lot of fun, you're exhausted when you leave.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but because of how many partners you interact with during that two-hour time, you know, it's it's something that's very risky right now.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um even though we temp check everyone when they come in, they all sign a waiver.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_01: You know, if you're having you know 14 partners during that two hours, right?
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's a lot of contact.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_01: So um I hope to get back to that.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: The other thing that we haven't brought back yet is our little little kids.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: So we normally do a class that starts at four years old all the way up to seven.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: We have not brought them back at all because basically what we have done with our older kids is we're doing socially distanced dummy classes.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: Now, if you ask a four-year-old to socially distance, it's impossible.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: So we have not brought them back yet.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: I I really hope that we can get the kids back to having classes, the little kids and the bigger kids having normal classes.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because that was really fun.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: We were really uh we'd really kind of figured out how to teach those little kids and what we were gonna teach them all the time.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: And that class went from being kind of a nightmare to super fun in the last year or so.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_01: We really kind of hit our stride with it.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_01: And then we had a lot of kids that had been doing it for a while, which kind of served as leaders in the class and could kind of direct some of those newer kids.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um and so yeah, I just want to get back to open mat and and having the little kids back.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: So, what are the what are the full range of classes that you offer here?
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um so we do like traditional Brazilian jujitsu with a gi.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_01: We do no giu jitsu, which is uh submission grappling.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: A little bit different rule set, but but roughly the same.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_01: A little bit closer to wrestling than uh traditional martial art.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: Gotcha.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um we do judo, uh, which is you know throwing mostly, takedowns.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: Uh we do MMA, um, and we do uh some of our MMA classes are more wrestling, like takedown focused, so nogi takedowns.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: Uh some of them are more striking focused.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: And then we also have classes that are um specifically, we've got one class on Saturday, no Sunday, uh for women only.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_01: And then we have an another class on Sunday that's for uh 35 and up.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: So older.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_01: So you don't have to you don't have to go with those uh 21-year-olds in college, you know, making you feel slow and old.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right, right.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um I'm intrigued by the the women's, it's a women's jujitsu class, right?
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_00: I'm intrigued by that.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_00: How many how many women take jujitsu here?
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I mean it's definitely largely male.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like by a long way.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_00: That's and that's why I'm uh it piqued my curiosity.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um but we've done we've done some uh seminars over the over the time that we've been open, and we'll get you know 12 to 15 women to come do a a self-defense seminar, you know, and it's kind of like, well, I'm not gonna really be able to I'm not gonna show you how to defend yourself from an attacker in two hours.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's just not gonna happen.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm gonna start showing you jujitsu, and if you keep coming, then you're gonna have a lot better idea about how to defend yourself.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_01: So before the pandemic, I mean we were getting, you know, maybe eight to ten women in that class.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um we probably maybe had 20 total in the school.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_01: So still a pretty small uh part of the school, but but it was up there.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_01: Uh since then, it's been uh a lot less.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um it seems like that uh women's class that we do on Sundays has been a little bit slower to come back compared to some of the other classes, um, you know, and it might just be related to people's, you know, like I said, risk risk tolerance to come back.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um and I'm hoping once we're you know into 2021 and we're gonna keep having the class, you know, for a long time.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't have a women's only class because we thought, well, we need enough women to run it.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: And it it turns out we were kind of backwards on that.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_01: And we should have started it with, you know, two women and built it from there because that a lot of people have uh the barrier to come in as they don't want a big sweaty guy, you know, all over them for an hour.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_01: So having that women's jujitsu class is more of a a friendly entryway into the the world of Brazilian jujitsu.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: And once we once we launched it, we kind of figured out like, oh yeah, this is this is what we should have been doing all along.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: We should have had this.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and and w word of mouth advertising is uh it is fantastic too.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: You just start small and kind of they'll start telling their friends.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_01: I mean more effective than more effective than anything, any any advertising that we could do, more effective than you know, people looking us up on Google or finding our website.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, word of mouth is is the way.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: Who are some of your personal heroes and why?
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_00: Who inspires you?
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: That's a better way of phrasing it.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, just the people I'm around, you know, seeing what they do.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_01: You know, all the other instructors here.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, like I said, I've known them for almost 15 years, most of them.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: Right, you know, and they push me to be better and I try to push them to be better.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I watch a lot of different things online and listen to a lot of um, you know, audiobooks and that sort of thing.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm really kind of into psychology.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_01: I I have a minor in psychology from UNL, and so I like to read and listen to a lot of that sort of thing as far as like you know, personal development and growth that way, but I don't I don't think I have a person really in mind that that I really focus on.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_01: I try to listen to a lot of different people, but you know, I've kind of read a couple books uh uh during the pandemic was really good.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_01: I I uh listened to a bunch of books on uh Audible.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_01: Coddling of the American Mind was great.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_01: I like I like Jonathan Haidt, I think he's uh very interesting.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um Grit, Angela Duckworth, uh did that book really good, talks about doing hard things.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I really that kind of really resonated with me.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_00: My wife for Christmas a couple of years ago got me an Audible membership, and like I think that's what I listened to was self-development books for a good like six months.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_00: And and you know, I I ran the gamut from people from Michael Strahan to David Goggins to uh Jesse Eitzer's book.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_00: Aubrey Marcus has a fantastic book.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_00: He was a former CEO of Onit, had a fantastic book that I listened to at the beginning of this year, and very self-development based.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_00: And it's kind of it's kind of what inspired uh me doing this podcast was you know finding my own personal mission statement through um through my own development and seeing how I can help other people along the way.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_00: So what's one thing you've seen out of a student that surprised you that you didn't expect?
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_01: There's a couple people that come to mind immediately that were so uncoordinated that they could barely walk down the hallway without you know tripping over their feet.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_01: You know, stiff as a stiff as a board, you know, can't touch can't touch their toes, can't even get can't even barely touch their knees, you know, and over the course of a couple of years turn into some pretty good jujitsu athletes and not not athletic, not not super strong suddenly or super flexible or even super fast, but really technical.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, getting the opportunity to roll with some of those people, you know, almost makes me laugh.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm in the middle of a role and I'm just laughing because I'm like, oh, that was so good.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like, who are you?
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_01: This is awesome.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_01: It makes me so happy.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's gotta be pretty rewarding.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_00: Let's say I'm John Doe walking in off the street.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_00: I'm deciding that I would want to take classes at Lincoln Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_00: What's some of the first things I can expect as a student?
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_01: One of the first things to expect is that when we start doing our warm-up drills, we just we just do some body movement stuff up and down the mat.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_01: It looks really easy when you do it, when you see it.
• 38:15
  unknown: Right.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: And then you get down there and you're like, oh, I don't I don't know how to do this.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how to make my body move this way.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_01: And it can be a little bit like frustrating at first, but then what you'll find is that either the instructor or whatever student is closest to you will lay down on the floor with you and help you do it.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_01: And that's just moving up and down the mat.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_01: And then you we finish with our warm-up, you know, everyone gets up, grabs a drink, whatever, they all look fine, and you're completely winded, and you're like, what how are they like that?
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like this.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: And then we start doing the technique, and you're trying too hard and you're fighting yourself, and everyone else looks like they're just doing it nice and smooth.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's just, you know, and then we get to the last part of class and we go to put those techniques into some live roles, and you completely forget where to put your hand every time, and you do it wrong, and you're backwards, and you're confused, and then you leave and you you think about it, and you're like, man, that was that was really hard.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: That was really fun.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: I think I'm gonna try it again.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_01: And and the people who do that, you know, once I see them the second time, it's like, all right, you're in, you understand.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's gotta be rewarding.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_00: Um, just recently you held a seminar here um with somebody that we've mentioned earlier in the pod.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_00: You want to tell us a little bit about that?
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we uh we got hooked up with Hoyce Gracie.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um he came and did a seminar here.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_01: We did it as as cheaply as we could do it for the benefit of our members.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um we basically paid Hoyce the entire fee that we charged anyone who came.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: And it was just um, you know, a real break in the the mundane, like everything is crappy, we can't do jujitsu, it's a pandemic, right, you know, constantly hearing bad news.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um you know, you can't listen to to all the stuff you hear on the news because you just get depressed about it.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_01: It was like, no, this is a fun thing that we're gonna do.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna we're gonna you know bring in this celebrity.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_01: You know, even my wife has heard heard of Hoyce Gracie, and she doesn't know anything about MMA or jujitsu, really.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like, even she knows, she's like, Oh, that's that's a big deal.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, yeah, it is a big deal, and it was really fun.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um God, I think we packed about 40 people into this room.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's fantastic.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_01: And uh yeah, he gave a two-hour seminar, and it was it was a lot of fun.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_01: Did you get to roll with him?
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_01: No, he didn't he didn't roll with anyone, he mostly showed techniques, then people worked him with the partner.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, cool.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_00: Very, very, very cool.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: Very cool.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_00: You just mentioned the uh, and I think it's probably the second or third time we've brought it up in the pod today, is uh is just dealing with the blahs of 2020.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um how do we get out of this?
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_00: Are you an optimist or are you a pessimist?
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_01: I am an optimist.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um the more I read about it, the more I uh listen to stuff, you know, like I said, psychology related, the more I realize that like being an optimist with um an internal locust of control is a blessing.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_01: And not everyone has that.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_01: And it's hard for me to you know get into somebody else's shoes that doesn't have that.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_01: But for me, yeah, I'm an optimist.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm always thinking like what can I do to make it better, you know, and the biggest thing that I see, because you know, I spend a decent amount of time on social media, I'm I'm doing stuff with the business, but also just you know messing around, right?
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_01: Uh killing time.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_01: And the thing I see is there's all these people that I know like are not leaving their house, they're getting into fights with people online, and they just need to get out, they just need to go act like something is normal.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, acting as if is a really good strategy for a lot of people.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_01: Act as if you want to go work out, right?
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_01: Right, and when you're done, you're gonna feel great.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_01: But you have to get over that mental hump.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_01: And so for a lot of people, I know I know a couple people specifically I'm thinking about that used to train here, you know, haven't trained here for, in some cases, years.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I just see them on these downward spirals where they're just, you know, they're kind of hopeless.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like you're living your life online.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_01: Everything sucks online.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like you gotta come, you gotta come into the real world with some people who like you, right?
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_01: Spend an hour around them, you know, get a workout, get your endorphins up, right?
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_01: And everything's gonna feel better at the end of that.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what that's what really needs to happen for a lot of people.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_01: You know, whether it's jujitsu or whether it's something else that you used to do outside of the house, you know, obviously like be safe about it, as safe as you can be, follow the restrictions that that you have to, but like leave the house.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta do something, do something that is what would have been normal, you know, six months ago.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's almost I often wonder whenever I look at it and I, you know, think about it myself.
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_00: I often wonder if there's not a segment of the population that's going to kind of emerge from this almost with that uh that military sense of development where they've just been broken down to be built back up.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_01: I hope so.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I do too.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_00: I do too.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's where my optimism sits.
• 43:47
  SPEAKER_00: And I think there's a lot of um personal accountability that people have to kind of take on in order to be able to do that.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they have to make that decision on their own at some point that you know, enough's enough.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's time to log off the Facebook, it's time to log off the Instagram, and let's start living in the real world again.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, you just need to get you need to get outside of it.
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_01: You need to know that there's more out there than just what you see.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, absolutely.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody's trapped in their their little thought bubbles with people that are either diametrically opposed or thinking the same way as them.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_00: And reality is is you know, you're you and I could have completely opposing viewpoints, but we could still be friends at the end of the day.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and you know, what I see online is people just picking fights with people.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, well, you're bored.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_01: You need to go do something.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_01: You need to not fight with a stranger on the internet.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_00: And it's I I I think that also is because the endorphin rush from it is the same as somebody paying them a compliment.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's like when somebody gives you a like, you get the same endorphin rush from that as you did if somebody engages you in a fight.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_00: It just depends on how you're wired.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_00: But uh no, I'm optimistic too.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_00: I I think uh I think we're all gonna come out of this a lot better than maybe we went into it to some degree.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_00: I hope so.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: So uh any uh any final thoughts you want to leave our listeners with, or maybe plug the school a little bit and yeah, I mean uh jujitsu's awesome, everyone knows it.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_01: And uh you should come try it.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_01: We do a free-week trial.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_01: So even if you don't like it, there's no commitments, but you just basically pick a class, pick a class you want to do.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_01: We got it all up on our website.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_01: Look at our schedule, you can see all of our procedures as far as how we're handling things during the pandemic, all of our cleaning protocols, um, all of the safeguards that we have in place.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_01: And basically, you pick a class, you come in and try it.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_01: If you like it, you know, you'll be here for a while.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_00: Jared, it's been a pleasure.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, it's very nice to meet you finally.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_00: I've been following you guys online for a long time, and thanks for doing the podcast.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_00: I really appreciate it.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_01: I expect you in here next week.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_00: All right, sounds good.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_00: I want to give a big thanks to Jared for having me at Lincoln Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Center this afternoon.
• 46:08
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• 46:13
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• 46:19
  SPEAKER_00: They are good people.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_00: So, just a little production note if you've noticed this episode was a little bit more echoey than normal, it's because we were recording in the gym, which was a really cool environment to do that in and to talk about the subject matter in.
• 46:35
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• 46:45
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• 46:48
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• 46:53
  SPEAKER_00: And one last thing we have five more episodes in the pipeline for the next month, so we will have plenty of content for you to follow up on.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_00: This has been Caught on the Mic with Michael Clark.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_00: Until next time.
• 47:08
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