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The proof for God: it’s easier than you think · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  Good day.
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  Welcome to the Midday Report on the America Out Loud Used Talk Radio Network, the countermomentum of spin.
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  I'm your host, Dr.
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  Franco Musio.
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  To our friends listening in the United States and around the world.
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  We've been we've been jumping back and forth from the frying pan uh in terms of hot and heavy topics around the world, uh very complex topics, uh, to other uh, if you will, human interest topics, like uh emotion, emotions, envy, uh, we talked about uh all kinds of things of that nature, judgment and such.
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  So we're gonna go into something a little different.
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  I'm going solo again.
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  Bear with me, but this particular uh topic is uh I named it the proof for God.
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  It's easier than you think.
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  The proof for God, it's easier than you think, especially in this holiday season, Christmas Hanukkah, uh, and um, you know, uh we reflect, I've been reflecting a lot more, I would say, over the last several years, um, viewing colleagues and parents uh losing their lives, deaths, and such.
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  And so the question in my mind, and actually philosophers for millennia millennia and scientists for millennia and millennia um is how can we prove God?
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  Can we prove God?
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  I'm gonna make an argument I think in my mind is pretty strong.
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  Let's see what you all think about this, that God exists, and it's very simple actually, in terms of um proving it.
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  Now, faith is an incredible component of all of this with Jesus Christ and with the Old Testament prior to his birth, um, his resurrection and ascension into heaven.
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  But um let me go at it a different angle and see if this resonates with uh with many of you.
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  So I've been in the business, and it is a business of treating patients from a medical standpoint for many years.
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  And in my opinion, that there are many obligatory responsibilities embedded in this particular job.
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  Uh I I take it as a vocation, uh, somewhat uh different than of course priests or rabbis or uh brothers or clergy, but uh in a different way.
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  And and there are theological and religious implications uh in terms of what the health profession does.
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  It's a privilege, actually, uh to care for many patients, especially with complex medical problems, and often it includes the emotional and psychological aspects of their disease processes.
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  If it doesn't, that's a problem.
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  In other words, uh if you have physicians who could care less about the psychological and emotional, well, go find someone else.
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  Uh unless you're dealing with a surgeon that you you need to have X and technical expertise.
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  But but no, you even the surgeons I've found many have um yeah, have embraced emotional and psychological aspects of disease.
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  So a high percentage of patients do articulate their spiritual beliefs, particularly, particularly uh in the setting of face-to-face when they're face to face with their own mortality in many cases.
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  They're um often when they're very ill, they reach out to their physicians with whom they've developed a strong and trusting relationship.
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  Hopefully that's the case.
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  They clearly want to see comfort and corroboration, if you will, of their own spiritual and religious beliefs, their tenets.
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  I'm not a theologian.
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  I'm not, as I said, hardly, hardly, not a member of the clergy, hardly.
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  I don't know if they would they would like me in there, but I do have very close rapport with a number of individuals investing their life's work in these venerable ministries.
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  So, in other words, other clergy or other uh students of religion, and you're you're a student of religion, uh and all of these questions for the rest of your life.
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  So the ultimate questions we all ponder as to the existence of God, uh, our purpose on this earth.
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  So I guess this is a hot and heavy topic.
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  I said before it's not, it is.
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  Um, and what happens after we die, etc.
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  All of these are firmly rooted and addressed in our system, usually in our systems of religious beliefs, and commonly based upon millennia writings and practices per the Judeo-Christian traditions.
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  And and I would bet the majority of the readership and of the listenership of America Out Loud News.
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  So if you look at near and far eastern Indian Chinese precepts based on Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, even Confucianism in China, they all have intricate creeds devoted to these questions, although they're greatly intermixed with philosophical precepts.
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  I'm I'm gonna blow your minds with something even just simpler, simpler in a little while.
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  So even the agnostic and atheist sectors of society, um, they comment on these questions and often they change their tune many times later when faced with significant and life-altering events.
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  Many do.
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  So the objective here in my talking and in this uh radio show and podcast is to encapsulate the proofs, in my opinion.
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  My opinion that I personally gleaned uh from years of practice for the immutable existence and ongoing presence of God among mankind.
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  So the there are other quandaries.
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  There, there's oh my god, there's tons good of good and evil, tragedies from national disasters, for example, criminality, terrorism, dictatorships resulting in mass killings, wars, starvation, so many more examples of an unjust world, and and often lead, often, if not, oh my goodness, more than often to skepticism and questioning one's faith.
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  Uh it's very common to question one's faith, uh, even among the most faithful uh in the uh omnipotence, uh omnipotence of a loving God.
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  So volumes have been written about these inconsistencies, how we interpret them as inconsistencies, challenges and uh challenges and critiques, and they've been pondered again by philosophers, theologians, and and the ordinary populists, secular populace throughout the ages.
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  And we're not gonna tackle that part.
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  That's a whole nother many, many, many discussions, the topic of good and evil.
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  How can God exist with all the crime, the injustice, the disease, the uh, you know, uh my goodness, children being killed, dying from starvation, adults dying from starvation.
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  How can you reconcile that?
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  Uh well, I've come to grips with this that it's not for us to figure out.
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  Uh I mean, that's very simple uh and trite.
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  I don't want it to be that way.
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  Uh, but God has his purposes, and um we'll we'll go to something, we'll we'll stick with proving his existence for now.
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  Um, but I just wanted to, that's kind of a tangent that that kind of is an offshoot of people think uh when they're thinking of the existence of God.
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  So the word apologetics, so apologize.
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  Uh the word apologize, well, I'm sorry, I'm sorry for this, and I'm sorry for that.
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  And the word apologetics in in the context of theology is a little different.
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  It's recognized as rational, a rational and comprehensive defense of one's religious faith by systemic arguments uh and supporting evidence against misrepresentations and criticisms for the existence of God and and all of religious faith, if you will.
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  So the Greek word apology signifies the verb speaking in defense, or the noun verbal defense, uh in that form, uh, which the English word from which the English word apologetics is derived.
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  So early Christian writers, the quote-unquote Christian apologists defended their faith against critics and um leading to present-day, present-day scholarly writings, analogous to lung uh tomes, tomes, tomes of uh legal documents and uh analogous to that uh from the discord uh like for example, discourses of many courtroom scenarios.
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  No, I'm I'm gonna make it easier.
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  Um I'll try to make it much, much easier.
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  So the argument I'm gonna lay out, I'm gonna lay out the plethora of intricacies of the human body is evidence for a divine creator.
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  That's simple.
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  The human body is so complex that uh, and and people have thought about this for ages, but I'm gonna I'm gonna show you, or at least try to explain to you my thoughts that it clearly does, especially consciousness, argues strongly for God.
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  So I'll present it as a personal interpretation based on my experiences throughout the years.
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  Uh it's often referred to as a teleological approach.
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  I learned that in philosophy years ago.
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  What it implies is that the immense complexities of the human body could not have arisen from chance and natural selection, but rather a higher power.
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  The higher power being God.
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  So teleology, teleology is based upon another Greek word, telos, which means and aim, goal, and logos, which means explosion, expression, uh, explanation, reason as a branch of what?
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  Causality.
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  So it it's uh have I lost everyone from philosophy.
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  This is all from philosophy, in which the explanation for an individual or phenomenon is a function of its end, its purpose or goal, as opposed to a function of its cause.
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  So Reverend James Wood is a late 19th-century Scottish scholar and free church minister.
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  He eloquently captured, eloquently captured the meaning of this word teleology, teleology.
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  Um you've heard the word teleological.
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  I get tongue tie, teleological, or the noun teleology, in his Not all encyclopedia.
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  It's first published in London in 1900.
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  I'm gonna quote: He said the doctrine of final causes, particularly the argument for the being and character of God from the being and character of his works.
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  The end reveals his purpose from the beginning.
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  The end being regarded as the thought of God at the beginning, or the universe viewed as the realization of him and his eternal purpose.
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  So that's kind of you know, really, really scholarly, ethorial kind of up there, but let me break it down.
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  Professor Thomas O'Keefe, my undergraduate human physiology instructor uh at Professor Georgetown, often concluded, God, my goodness, his spectacular lectures with this sentence.
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  He ended with this strongly argues for a creator.
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  So in fact, those words have resonated with me throughout my career, uh, treating patients uh of all levels, all levels, simplicity and complexity.
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  Uh, nothing is simple, by the way.
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  I don't think so.
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  Uh, the following uh I'm gonna give you very limited examples of the infinite beauty, and it is beauty and majestic majesty of the human body as a function of its end.
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  Reflecting God's purpose from the beginning.
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  And it would take many volumes to be comprehensive about this, but an important consideration, I think, is that we are still in our toddler phase in regard to grasping the breath of medical science.
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  It's really up to future generations to continue to add to our fund of knowledge in this field.
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  But looking at microscopic under a microscope, macroscopic, looking, you know, right at it, the fundamentals of human biology begin with what?
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  Begin with the combination of atoms, molecules, compounds, forming building block chemical structures, such as proteins, lipids, carbohydrates, nucleic acids, the substance within uh the nucleus.
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  So the proportions follow me.
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  The proportions and the multitude of variations of these structures form the cell with its subcellular organelle.
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  So you can only see with an electron microscope or under microscope.
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  So the command center of the cell, what is that?
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  It's found within the nucleus, or in some cases, multiple nucleus, uh nuclei, plural, plural of nucleus, um, which harbors the DNA, which is requisite for the specialization of that specific cell.
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  Uh, in concerts with other similar cells, uh, and uh, or those with other variances to to make organs.
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  So, the ultimate end is the formation of cyst organ systems, the heart, the brain, the lung, kidneys, liver, pancreas, go on and on, reproductive organs, hematologic and vascular system, GI tract.
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  So, all supported by a skeletal system, our bones, joints, cartilage, ligaments, tendons, and protected by an outer skin and other elements, the integument system.
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  So, every single cell in our body harbors the genetic machinery.
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  It's really mind-blowing, but it does, to not only divide and form the requisite number and variations of cells, which uh is intended and required for that limited portion or function of the body, like you know, the uh an organ, but also to amazingly produce clones of ourselves.
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  So the bottom line is every cell in our body, every cell has the genetic makeup to produce a clone of ourselves.
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  It's true.
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  So the supreme question remains to be the underlying force or catalyst directing the nuclear DNA in the cells of our bodies to their ultimate purpose and end.
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  So, for example, a car, car has a motor, has an engine.
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  That engine is responsible for, once it's turned on, uh uh for directing the function of the car, that is movement, but also all the other functions of the car, the radio, the in tandem with the the transmission and the casings and oil and balance of water and such, it's all a delicate system, the car, to for the purpose of transportation.
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  So, um, what's our purposes?
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  Well, to eat and walk and think and such, and to live and to to love each other.
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  Uh we can go on and on, but then um what happens, so all of this requires an expansion to an overwhelmingly large number of coordinated chemical cascades, both within the cell and outside of the cell.
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  So uh among another overwhelmingly large number of segments, ultimately resulting in our biological selves.
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  Okay.
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  So who we are in terms of matter, matter, not spiritual, but matter.
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  So there could be no other conductor, directingly, this infinitely complex orchestra, in my opinion, of infinitely complex matrices than God the Father.
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  And along with God the Father, of course, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, the uh Trinity, it would be logically impossible for the chemical structures with the microscopic and macroscopic components of our bodies amidst an almost infinite sea of biochemical reactions uh and processes to settle into place by mere random occurrences and not be guided and navigated, in my opinion, by a supernatural being in the form of God.
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  So we're gonna take a commercial break, and much more to come.
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  When I come back, we'll we'll expand on this for my uh at least my argument for the uh proof for God is easier than you.
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  And I'm going to continue to delve into my theory and hopefully this is shared by many, many other people.
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  You know how it came to me.
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  It came to me through many discussions while performing or while training in martial arts, not performance, but training in martial arts.
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  And my uh my instructor, bless his heart, is very religious as well.
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  And we talk about these things.
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  We talk about these uh issues all the time.
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  And I try to stump him, and he stumps me too.
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  So let me go back before we talk about really what I want to consciousness as a manifestation of God.
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  So we're talking about cloning.
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  And there's a lot of religious import in this and bioethical uh bioethical topics emanate from this uh about cloning.
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  So the the nuclear manipulation, it was actually accomplished for the first time through the birth of the sheep.
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  Remember, named Dolly.
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  Dolly, this was in um, and it was published in a scientific journal Nature on the 22nd of February 1997.
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  It gained world attention.
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  Um Dolly was codenamed 6L2.
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  What a great name for the sheep, but Dolly 6LL2.
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  And I never knew why the name Dolly, where that came from, I'll tell you in a minute.
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  So this is meddling with God's design, I think, and it became apparent when uh a secret project at the Rosalind Institute, this is at the University of Edinburgh, Scotland, utilized uh the technique of somatic cell nuclear transfer.
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  So that's when you remove or the scientists remove a nucleus from a cell and transfer it, uh, transfer that nucleus to another cell, an enucleated cell, another cell without a nucleus, but then you put that particular nucleus that you're transferring into that cell.
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  So it was actually a nucleus from uh, well, more than one nucleus, but uh nuclei from the cells of a mammary gland, mammary gland of an adult sheep, hence the word dolly for dolly pardon.
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  The mammary gland of a did you know that the memory gland of an adult sheep was placed within the cell, um uh an unfertilized egg cell that had its own nucleus removed.
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  So you have a sheep uh enucleated, unfertilized egg with a new nucleus from another sheep, but it was a mammary cell, and uh it was a breast breast cell.
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  So the egg was stimulated to develop into an embryo, and this was implanted into the uterus of a surrogate mother sheep, leading to a birth to the birth of a baby sheep named Dolly.
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  So think about that.
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  That's absolutely amazing.
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  And then additional sheep were subsequently born utilizing the same techniques years later.
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  So these are bioethical red flags.
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  They were raised as to the extrapolation to the manipulation of human cells.
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  It opened a huge Pandora box of potential implications.
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  And in fact, in Japan, there was a Japanese scientist who ended up going to jail.
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  The the experiment uh for this, uh, but it wasn't as um overt as with Dali.
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  But what the scientist did, actually, he was credited for a lot of benevolent work, is that he manipulated cells in order to become more sensitive to HIV medications.
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  So he basically transferred the nucleus of human cells to enucleated human cells with the manipulation, and he manipulated the DNA as well, in addition to this, very, very complex, but in order to make that cell, and ultimately um he he did not clone it, did not clone it.
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  He cloned it to more cells, but not a human being, but to more cells that became more resilien uh more sensitive to HIV medication.
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  So it was just it was really the first step of cloning a human being.
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  But in fact, in fact, he was put in jail for that because of the bioethical uh implications.
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  So kind of a tangent there, but so I've I've cared for a bunch of patients, many, many, a sizable number of patients, demonstrating extraordinary turn of events from proverbially uh death store step, followed by full recoveries through rapid advancement.
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  I it appears rapid advancement in medical knowledge, procedures, and medication regimens.
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  In fact, a number of these cases, this is another tangent, but they were also associated with prayers coming from all angles.
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  So this opens another show, which I will do about the power of prayer.
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  But the dilemma remains as to the suffering of other patients with similar diseases just years earlier, okay, years earlier, who did not benefit from the subsequent medical science.
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  So would it be that these advancements were and continue to be simply up to chance as opposed to the presence of a benevolent God, leading to their discoveries and uh implementations?
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  I don't think so.
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  I don't think it was chance.
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  I think uh the development, the evolution of science, medical science, and all the sciences are ultimately ultimately if utilized correctly and appropriately would be to the for the betterment of humanity.
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  But anyway, no, I I I in my opinion, how could all of this be random uh uh without a benevolent God?
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  So the presence and active involvement of clergy, for example, within our hospital systems, they also play a vital role in my opinion.
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  Uh both my experience and literature, as I mentioned before, I touched on the um objective benefit, the objective benefit uh of prayer and spiritual growth during severe illnesses, uh, corroborate God's intervention in many cases.
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  So corroborate, I don't know that we could say prove, but I'm gonna dig into the proof here, but but they corroborate extremely um passionately and strongly for the presence of God.
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  So there remains so much of the uh secular and particularly non-secular world that remains enigmatic.
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  I would argue the majority, if not all, and unintelligible to our human senses, our emotions, our cognition.
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  Uh I have never been a witness to a spontaneous cure, quote unquote cure of cancer, although other colleagues have described these occurrences.
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  So what is the spontaneous cure?
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  It's when someone is dying of cancer, dying of cancer, metastatic, meaning spread to other organ systems and other parts of the body, and about to start chemotherapy, and uh now we have immunotherapy, other therapies, and lo and behold, within a day or two it's gone.
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  So, yeah, they've been ascribed to miracles.
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  Uh so God's intervention is such reversals.
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  So uh and there's other parallels, for example, recovery from multi-trauma injuries.
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  Uh, I've seen that a number of that I've seen many times.
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  So it's it's uncommon, it's exceedingly uncommon, but more and more cases of spontaneous remission and uh cures are being documented from a scientific perspective, scientific perspective, the underlying reasons for these phenomenon, they're theorized as an upregulation of the patient's immune system in rapidly defeating the the cancer, the malignancy, uh, or its own mechanisms, the the cancer's own mechanisms of cell death, it's called apoptosis, that that healthy cells or even uh malignant cell, cells which are active, both healthy, benign, uh healthy and malignant, will die, uh, will die through the course of um uh evolution of that particular cell and being replaced by other cells.
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  That's what happens in our bodies, but uh it can happen rather spontaneously with cancers, very rare, but it does.
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  So my analysis of these events heavily, heavily leans on the side of divine intervention.
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  Uh because this and
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  Others, there remains no cogent, at least in my mind, plausible explanation.
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  Otherwise, yes.
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  Yes.
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  Um, there is apoptosis, I was mentioning.
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  Yes, there are these extremely rare cases of cures.
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  But uh but the religious component is you have to argue, I have to argue is overwhelming.
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  Now, let's go into consciousness, because this is ultimately what my whole show here is uh my thesis is going into consciousness as a manifestation of God.
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  Um so throughout the millennium, well-known thinkers, they've written extensively in regards to human consciousness.
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  So, in fact, the first principle, quote unquote first principle of the French philosopher, mathematician, and scientist Rene Descartes, was the well-known phrase uh in in uh Latin, cognito erosum.
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  That is, I think, therefore I am in his discourse on method.
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  It was uh uh an essay, very comprehensive essay entitled Discourse on Method, published in 1637.
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  So, I think therefore I am.
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  So the the most recent modern-day articulation of human consciousness as proof for the existence of God is often credited to philosopher and Christian apologists, and I use the word apologist.
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  Remember, we we talked about that in the beginning.
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  JP Morlin in his book Consciousness and the Evidence of God, it was published in 2008.
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  And my lay interpretation parallels previous elaborations on this topic.
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  Um by the way, when I was thinking of this and it came up in my mind, I had not read these uh books and these uh essays and these uh articles.
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  But um, nonetheless, my lay interpretation parallels these elaborations, although with spiritual caveats, that the empirical scientific world does not dare approach.
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  Okay, empirical scientific world does not dare approach the uh uh religious implications of all of this.
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  Why?
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  Because uh science, empirical science needs to be devoid of religion, devoid of the supernatural, devoid of the spiritual, which uh honestly I disagree with this.
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  And in fact, the majority of scientists are actually um very spiritual.
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  They're not going to tell you this, but but the majority are actually.
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  So here it goes.
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  Here it goes my nutshell, my nutshell argument.
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  As biological specimens, our human bodies, and I mentioned this before, consists of an extraordinary composite of organic matter, functioning and inorganic too, functioning as discrete organ systems, intricately, intricately intricately gifted with incomparable neural activity, directed where from the brain, but directed and coordinating their activity.
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  So the brain is the uh computer, if you will, computer center.
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  Uh really directing the show is the conductor directing the orchestra.
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  But the orchestra is also innervated, as is nerve tissue and activity.
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  Uh it has to, without without which it wouldn't function.
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  So this neuroelectrical wiring is also the foundation for the ability to perceive, to act, to react, to initiate motion and activities, either through the capacities of our own bodies and or consciousness.
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  So think about that consciousness, and how do you, how do we, how do we describe consciousness, and how does consciousness argue for the presence of God?
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  It does.
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  So the study of consciousness is now a well-established field of empirical cognitive sci uh research, which is rife with with quite diverse proposed quote unquote theories.
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  Several examples include, again, this is the study of consciousness, which is kind of wild, but it is.
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  Several examples include the global neuronal workshop, or workspace, sorry, global neuronal workshape uh workspace theory.
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  Um there's also another one, integrated information theory and higher order thought theory.
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  And AI is adding a whole new dimension to this as well.
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  So the conversely, there have been no scientific theory, no matter how complex and fascinating uh our brains are, truly able to decipher and explain consciousness.
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  I'm going to repeat that.
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  There have been no scientific theories, no matter how complex and fascinating, or non-compo uh simple, that are able or is able to decipher and explain consciousness.
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  So the subfields of neuroscience, they've dramatically grown, uh, although over modern-day uh uh advanced science and technology cannot make that leap of explanation for the organic matter constituting the brain to overt and even covert consciousness.
• 36:05
  So I'm gonna repeat that one too, because this is key.
• 36:08
  The subfields of neuroscience have dramatically grown, although all the modern-day advanced science and technology cannot make that leap of explanation from the organic matter constituting the brain, comprising the brain, to overt and covert consciousness.
• 36:28
  So the covert meaning, you know, subliminal thoughts, subconscious, and so forth.
• 36:33
  So we'll get into you know Sigmund Freud and such.
• 36:36
  He'll explain all that.
• 36:37
  So in fact, or did, in fact, this will never happen.
• 36:42
  This chain of events as a chemical chain of reactions invokes and argues for it very, very strongly, the presence of God.
• 36:52
  So think about that again.
• 36:54
  How can consciousness be reduced to a series of chemical reactions and organic matter?
• 37:06
  How can it?
• 37:08
  Um, in the field of pathology and during autopsies and such, when human beings die, and autopsies are performed of the brain.
• 37:19
  That brain is organic matter.
• 37:22
  It is, it's organic matter.
• 37:25
  So how again, how can our thinking processes, our ability to think, be based on matter?
• 37:36
  Okay, organic matter.
• 37:38
  It's an exceedingly complex uh not mishmash, but uh ordered ordered uh activity and ordered cells and ordered neurons, but how can that how can those incredibly ordered systems which are matter translate into consciousness without the presence of God?
• 38:03
  All righty.
• 38:04
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• 40:55
  Welcome back.
• 40:56
  Welcome back.
• 40:57
  Thank you for sticking it out in terms of my explanation, my hypothesis, my theories in a simple way, in terms of the uh explaining the existence of God.
• 41:14
  So it's not as complex as we would think.
• 41:18
  It isn't.
• 41:19
  So let me go back a little bit.
• 41:22
  I was talking about the neural mechanisms and neurobiology and now the establishing neuroscientific fields of studying consciousness.
• 41:36
  You know, it's interesting because you can do this.
• 41:40
  They've done fabulous MRI studies, fabulous CAT scan, and and the uh very complex now uh machines, basically machines that are able to study our brains and determine where in our brains certain uh thought processes uh uh are born.
• 42:06
  So where in our brains is emotion connected with where where is there the combination between emotion and regulating that emotion and and that's that's being studied and mapped out very, very, very nicely.
• 42:24
  But what I said at the end of the second segment, to me, I keep repeating it to my own self is that how can essence matter and matter, meaning um matter is you go outside and you dig a hole and you see the dirt.
• 42:42
  Well, yeah, that's that's organic matter.
• 42:45
  Uh organic means just combinations of of um carbon atoms in many different intricate fashions, but organic or proteins, organic or building blocks of our bodies, organic uh carbohydrates and fats and such that the building blocks of our bodies, actually, proteins though, more than the others.
• 43:06
  Um but then you get into very, very, very intricate, sophisticated organic material comprising our brains, and and you go from that, and especially when we see these, I see these specimens from autos, autopsy studies and autopsies themselves, and then you translate that, extrapolate that into consciousness.
• 43:34
  In my my brain, it just doesn't my conscious brain right now.
• 43:40
  I I can't see that connection if it were not for the presence of God.
• 43:47
  Okay, the presence of a dimension which we're not even aware of, the conscious dimension, but we're not aware of how that works at all.
• 43:59
  But God is providing the uh energy and the actual substrata for that to happen.
• 44:05
  It's almost like um I was talking about a car and the engine of a car being uh being kind of the brain of the car, or you can think of any power source, any source of power, a battery, and very sophisticated types of batteries, uh, or um, you know, you look at charging plants, electricity, coal, um, wind power, but more, you know, um gas, gasoline, oil, providing power.
• 44:40
  So all of these sources are human sources of energy.
• 44:45
  They they translate into activation and of whatever it is, our cars, our boats, our uh, you know, trucks, our uh our light bulbs, our light, anything that governs governs modern day living.
• 45:06
  But uh then you go into the subcellular or cellular energy supply.
• 45:14
  So our our cells have little tiny little motors, if you will, inside of them, subcellular organelles from which their energy to function the way they should in being like liver cells or being heart cells or being kidney cells, uh in which they do, where energy is provided.
• 45:37
  And it's called ATP, adenosine triphosphate, and um, and that is that is converted chemically into uh smaller products, but it's just the conversion of that which provides the source of energy for the function of the cell.
• 45:59
  So how can that be?
• 46:03
  And and who's directing that?
• 46:05
  How can that be without uh without a creator, as my old professor Thomas O'Keefe said?
• 46:13
  How can this be?
• 46:14
  It argues very strongly, not only strongly, uh I think it's just proof there that you have a creator which is governing the power source of our cells, which compose our organ systems and our body.
• 46:33
  Now, you go to the brain, and you know, a liver doesn't have a conscious, the heart doesn't have the heart, the organ, this beating doesn't have a conscious, it doesn't think.
• 46:47
  You know, what should I do tomorrow?
• 46:49
  I don't want to hurt this person, or I do want to help this person, or I do want to hurt this person.
• 46:54
  No, it doesn't think, doesn't think.
• 46:56
  Our pancreases do not think.
• 46:59
  They act, they act in a very, very delicate network of um I I describe them as uh like an electrical network, an electrical grid.
• 47:11
  All of the components of the grid need to function with each other in order for the whole grid to work, meaning our bodies, but you start adding, you add the neurologic aspects, and then you add consciousness, which is what I was talking about.
• 47:31
  You add consciousness to all this, the equation, and what happens?
• 47:37
  What happens?
• 47:38
  You add feelings, you add um my goodness, rationality, irrationality, morality, immorality, self-motivation, spirituality.
• 47:55
  We've been talking about love, hate, etc., etc., etc.
• 48:01
  Uh those emotions which compose our thought processes, our consciousness.
• 48:08
  Um they again are characterized by activity of neural pathways in certain parts of the brain.
• 48:15
  Remember, mentioning that now very, very sophisticated imaging techniques and studies, machines, uh much higher than CAT scans, um, can trace where these thoughts come from.
• 48:33
  But how do you how do you make sense of thoughts?
• 48:38
  They elude empirical scientific explanations.
• 48:43
  So why or how science can explain, excuse me?
• 48:50
  Uh physics and uh God bless him, Albert Einstein and his associates coming up with uh relativity.
• 48:59
  By the way, the theory of relativity equals MC squared.
• 49:02
  Um I was just blessed to be at Oxford University uh with my son and my uh my wife a couple summers ago, and uh one of the libraries there, one of the uh museums has Albert Einstein's original chalk equations, and they were able to, even in the 1930s, to place uh uh glass plates over that and preserve it.
• 49:31
  So I was looking at it, just dumbfounded at looking at his original written uh with chalk during his lectures, explaining relativity.
• 49:41
  Well, relativity is not just E equals MC squared, it's actually the hundreds of equations that just would blow anybody's mind, but he was able to reduce that and distill it into Equals MC squared.
• 49:55
  So that that's scientific.
• 49:57
  And in fact, it's been proven relativity does.
• 50:01
  Exist.
• 50:02
  The faster an object travels, approaching the speed of light, the time that is associated with that object, let's say it's a spacecraft.
• 50:14
  Will the faster that spacecraft goes approaching the speed of light, the let's see, how does it go?
• 50:22
  The faster the time goes outside of that spacecraft.
• 50:27
  So in other words, let's say the spacecraft is gone for a year, it comes back.
• 50:32
  It's not going to be a year here on Earth.
• 50:36
  It's going to be hundreds of years.
• 50:38
  So anyway, uh, you know, wrap your brain around that one.
• 50:43
  But but that is science.
• 50:47
  God is different.
• 50:48
  Spirituality is extremely different.
• 50:52
  So if you uh translate uh translate these neural pathways and activity of the neural pathways, and the um thought processes and emotions and consciousness that come from that activity to me again, it still eludes empirical scientific explanations.
• 51:20
  The only explanation I can think of logically is the existence of God.
• 51:26
  Now, that's different from faith and spirituality.
• 51:30
  I am trying to reduce this to a, if you will, pseudoscientific explanation, the presence of God.
• 51:38
  If I mean clearly, faith, faith, uh, back and background in religion is the substrata for faith, and faith, uh, faith is a journey, and it develops and such.
• 51:51
  And faith eludes also scientific input.
• 51:56
  It does.
• 51:57
  But but hence, hence, what I'm trying to show and explain to myself and others, is that you cannot have consciousness without the presence of God, because it is God who actually creates that consciousness.
• 52:16
  Um that that that is my that is my thought.
• 52:21
  The consciousness does not, is not based on, so for example, uh, we have these equations now for actually even more uh specialized for the heart and heart in terms of different pressures in different parts of the heart, explaining different functions of the lungs and the association between the lungs and the heart.
• 52:44
  Um, yeah, that makes perfect sense when you're looking structurally and scientifically uh uh in terms of medical science at the functions and disease processes, but um it's very different when you're looking at consciousness because again, heart, lungs, organs do not have conscious, do not have a conscious our brain does, I mean our body does um driven by our brain, but the energy for that, if you will, the energy, the foundation, the underpinning of that consciousness cannot be explained by atoms, atoms creating uh compounds, creating neurons, creating synapses, creating the neuro, uh, the neural endocrine system, neurohormones within our brains, and and all that functioning going into conscious creating consciousness.
• 53:45
  No, no, this whole chain of events invokes the presence of God.
• 53:50
  So let's make a metaphorical leap, which I'm kind of repeating myself, but uh I'm looking, trying to look at it in different angles, cannot be described nor explained by science, therefore requires and is also spectacular, spectacular evidence for the existence of God, that this is what the leap is.
• 54:15
  This is what the explanation, the quote unquote scientific explanation, but again, it's not scientific.
• 54:23
  So, as remarkable as our human intellect is within our human domain, it is infinitely, infinitely dwarfed by dimensions unfathomable to us, uh except the understanding that they clearly exist.
• 54:41
  So I'm going out of my realm as a human being here to say that we don't understand almost anything when it turns when it goes into the other dimensions that are there.
• 54:58
  So, you know, you look in the sky at night and you look at the infinite number of stars, and the stars are suns, and of course, of course they have planets revolving around them.
• 55:11
  But what we're looking at is hundreds, sometimes hundreds of millions of years old.
• 55:15
  That's what we're looking at, because it takes that length of time for light to travel to our eyes.
• 55:24
  So you you go up there and you look at these stars, you're looking at way, way, way, way, way in the past.
• 55:32
  You're looking at sometimes, as I said, hundreds of millions of years ago in the past.
• 55:36
  So isn't that a mind blower when you when you go and look at the sky?
• 55:41
  And that's because of the speed of light, uh uh needing to travel through the universe to get to our eyes, but that also invokes the dimension of time.
• 55:58
  So, so uh God doesn't have time, God is uh God Jesus uh uh Jesus the Father, the Holy Spirit and the Father, God the Father, God Jesus Christ, God Holy Spirit, um, as as a Trinity, do not live in a time encapsulated period, or um, they don't.
• 56:26
  They and and that we can't understand.
• 56:29
  So we are limited by the dimension of time, we're encapsulated by the dimension of time, whereas uh uh God and spirituality is not.
• 56:39
  So, anyway, and and that's where the scientific and non-scientific comes in.
• 56:44
  I I would argue that uh the non-scientific is actually where we where we are, and what I'm talking about, and I'm trying to kind of hover between scientific and of course non-scientific ways we can understand, I can understand the existence of God.
• 57:05
  So to further uh this, all of this kind of rambling I'm doing, uh, it invites us to further consider the binary nature of mankind, what I'm talking about here, material, which is organic matter, and spirit.
• 57:22
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• 57:24
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