Latest / The Breakfast Club / INTERVIEW: Kirk Franklin On Kevin Hart Jokes, Representing Faith, Being Imperfect, New Podcast + More
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. Breakfast Club Morning.
- 0:04Speaker 1: Everybody is the DJ Envy just hilarious. Charlamagne the guy.
- 0:08Speaker 1: We are the Breakfast Club. Law La Rosa is here
- 0:11Speaker 1: and we got a special guest in the building.
- 0:12Speaker 2: Yes we do, Kirk Franklin. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome.
- 0:15Speaker 3: I feel like I live here.
- 0:17Speaker 2: That's a good thing.
- 0:18Speaker 3: I feel like I live here. What is this? What
- 0:20Speaker 3: is it like the twenty thousand time. I'm good with it.
- 0:24Speaker 3: I'm just humbled. I'm glad you. Yeah.
- 0:26Speaker 1: Well, first of all, welcome and congratulations for being honored
- 0:30Speaker 1: at the BET Awards this year.
- 0:32Speaker 2: How is that feeling?
- 0:33Speaker 3: Oh? Nervous? Had bubble guts?
- 0:36Speaker 4: Really?
- 0:38Speaker 5: What you are the performer of.
- 0:42Speaker 3: Bro I am always nervous.
- 0:45Speaker 6: Then we talk about that too, Yeah, I candn't believe
- 0:46Speaker 6: it even when he said it's we talked about at
- 0:49Speaker 6: the media room.
- 0:50Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm always nervous. And I go speak.
- 0:52Speaker 7: If I go to a nursing home and perform, I'm nervous.
- 0:54Speaker 7: If I go speak to kids, I always have.
- 0:57Speaker 3: Yeah, really, what's.
- 0:59Speaker 5: About it makes you nervous? It's like, what is it?
- 1:00Speaker 5: What are you thinking about?
- 1:01Speaker 7: It's I think that you know there's always First of all,
- 1:06Speaker 7: I think that it has served me well.
- 1:08Speaker 3: It's because it's never normal. I'm never comfortable.
- 1:13Speaker 7: I'm always wanting to do my best. I'm always you know,
- 1:18Speaker 7: like I'm always concerned about every moment, you know, will
- 1:21Speaker 7: it be good enough, will it be accepted, will it
- 1:24Speaker 7: be will it be light? And so there's never a
- 1:27Speaker 7: moment where I'm ever dialing anything in, you know, like
- 1:31Speaker 7: everything for me is my first. Every project, every album,
- 1:35Speaker 7: every song, every moment, it's my first. Like I'm a
- 1:38Speaker 7: new artist, I'm a new I'm a I'm a I'm
- 1:41Speaker 7: a I'm a struggling artist every time. And I think
- 1:44Speaker 7: a lot of it. And you know, y'all probably just
- 1:47Speaker 7: even test just all the the the guests that you've
- 1:50Speaker 7: had that have come from traumatic backgrounds, you know, childhood, abandonment,
- 1:54Speaker 7: adoption and all that is that I think that you
- 1:56Speaker 7: are always chasing thos, chasing goes. You're always looking for
- 2:02Speaker 7: that good job baby, that mama didn't give you, that
- 2:05Speaker 7: you didn't that you're having those formative years. So yeah,
- 2:10Speaker 7: every moment is it is nerves and new and so
- 2:13Speaker 7: at the B yeah, B two wards, I'm I'm about
- 2:16Speaker 7: to lose it next you're about to pass.
- 2:18Speaker 3: I'm like why. And then I didn't know I.
- 2:20Speaker 7: Was going to last until like a week before. Remember
- 2:23Speaker 7: we talked about that too, So I didn't know I
- 2:24Speaker 7: was going to last.
- 2:25Speaker 5: Yeah, I was mad you went last. I was mad.
- 2:28Speaker 8: I said, you put somebody that like that in the
- 2:31Speaker 8: front or the middle because it was so late.
- 2:34Speaker 3: Well yeah, but that but both stayed up.
- 2:36Speaker 5: I know we did stay up.
- 2:37Speaker 3: Wow, that's kind of y'all.
- 2:38Speaker 7: But what I'm saying, though, is that you feel even
- 2:40Speaker 7: more pressure.
- 2:41Speaker 3: It's like, I'm not going to last.
- 2:43Speaker 5: It's like, you know, because you Kirk Franklin though.
- 2:46Speaker 7: But I'm the gospel guy, and so you don't think
- 2:50Speaker 7: of your genre having a space like that. You don't,
- 2:55Speaker 7: you know, and you don't even expect it, like you know, Yeah,
- 2:58Speaker 7: it's it's it's almost like it's it's an honor for
- 3:01Speaker 7: even the genre to be acknowledged and even part of
- 3:05Speaker 7: the the ecosystem.
- 3:07Speaker 3: Right.
- 3:07Speaker 7: But when when I found out that I was going last,
- 3:11Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, brother, you didn't want to be sitting
- 3:13Speaker 7: by me.
- 3:13Speaker 4: Pressure was on.
- 3:15Speaker 3: I was letting him go to you.
- 3:17Speaker 5: On the tailor, Aaron Pierre was smelling the little and
- 3:19Speaker 5: I lied.
- 3:20Speaker 3: I was like, oh man, who did that.
- 3:24Speaker 4: Way? Because did you have gas when you were sitting
- 3:28Speaker 4: next to me? I ain't smell nothing.
- 3:29Speaker 3: Well, I wasn't nervous talking to you.
- 3:30Speaker 6: Okay, right, because you I'm gonna I've been telling people
- 3:34Speaker 6: since I mentioned it's my first time meaning you.
- 3:36Speaker 3: It threw me.
- 3:37Speaker 4: I didn't know you were so like just normal cool
- 3:39Speaker 4: and yeah, like.
- 3:42Speaker 2: I said, you real, he's a real Yeah.
- 3:47Speaker 7: Why do you think people like, what are people expecting
- 3:49Speaker 7: for me to come in floating on clouds?
- 3:51Speaker 4: Yes, a little bit, that's what people.
- 3:53Speaker 7: And I think that's unfortunate, and I think that we
- 3:55Speaker 7: got to find ways to still deconstruct that. I just
- 3:58Speaker 7: think that it stands in the way of people feeling
- 4:01Speaker 7: like that they can be a part of the family too,
- 4:04Speaker 7: you know what I'm saying, Like like like everybody can
- 4:06Speaker 7: pull me and be part.
- 4:08Speaker 3: Of this God love wagon. You know what I'm saying.
- 4:10Speaker 7: It's like and and so it's always challenging for me
- 4:14Speaker 7: when when there's this work where there's this ideal of
- 4:18Speaker 7: what being a person that loves Jesus looks like, and
- 4:22Speaker 7: so I want to be the lowliest, the most humble,
- 4:27Speaker 7: the most realist person, so that you can see, man,
- 4:31Speaker 7: that everybody's supposed to be on this bus, and we
- 4:33Speaker 7: also will be riding together.
- 4:34Speaker 3: Man, we don't always know where we're going.
- 4:37Speaker 1: But now, during the BET Awards, they kept.
- 4:41Speaker 2: Showing you when Kevin Hart was doing comedy.
- 4:44Speaker 1: And then the whole twist was Kirk Franklin was upset
- 4:47Speaker 1: with all the Kevin Hart jokes.
- 4:48Speaker 2: And I'm like, they must not know Kirk.
- 4:50Speaker 3: So oh I was. It was so good. He's good.
- 4:56Speaker 7: But then I'll also give you this side and you know,
- 4:59Speaker 7: and I and and I want him cap right. It's
- 5:02Speaker 7: I think that the biggest thing is for me is
- 5:05Speaker 7: that I always have to be careful because I know
- 5:07Speaker 7: that there's a community of the super religious that if
- 5:11Speaker 7: I enjoy something too much, then it comes across.
- 5:16Speaker 3: Like, well, why he not? Why he not praying for him?
- 5:20Speaker 3: He needed to walk out?
- 5:22Speaker 7: And and so there's this there's this dichotomy that that
- 5:26Speaker 7: you live in when you say that you represent faith, that.
- 5:31Speaker 3: It's like I love Jesus, but I'm not Jesus. I'm
- 5:35Speaker 3: not him.
- 5:36Speaker 7: I love God, I live in a body that ain't
- 5:39Speaker 7: his yet until he cracks the sky and make me
- 5:44Speaker 7: more like him. Until then, I live in this broken house,
- 5:48Speaker 7: and I live in a world where things are gonna
- 5:50Speaker 7: be funny. I'm gonna stub my toe and I'm not
- 5:52Speaker 7: gonna speak a tongue in the middle of the night.
- 5:54Speaker 3: I'm gonna us.
- 5:55Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying. You push me too hard,
- 5:56Speaker 7: it's gonna be hands you know. I mean, I'm you
- 5:59Speaker 7: know I I I am not a perfect person. And
- 6:04Speaker 7: so when something's funny and it's good and funny, I
- 6:07Speaker 7: want to laugh.
- 6:08Speaker 1: How do you stop yourself from laughing? Because he kept
- 6:09Speaker 1: going and you know, Kevin, Kevin's gonna keep going to get.
- 6:12Speaker 3: You that laughing.
- 6:14Speaker 8: I feel like you and wife you are, but you
- 6:17Speaker 8: still was trying to keep that sense of like all right,
- 6:19Speaker 8: like you was like cracking, but you were like still
- 6:23Speaker 8: containing yourself.
- 6:25Speaker 7: Because it was funny. It was it's funny, he's funny,
- 6:29Speaker 7: he's good. And so you get to see them perfect Kirk.
- 6:32Speaker 8: But I think also what people don't understand is God
- 6:35Speaker 8: don't want us to be perfect anyway, and either like
- 6:38Speaker 8: I just you know, Jesus, they were not supposed to
- 6:41Speaker 8: be perfect. That's why he made us in his image.
- 6:43Speaker 5: But it's like if he if he put us here and.
- 6:48Speaker 8: He knew, he know everything we're gonna do before we
- 6:51Speaker 8: do it, like he already knows. It's like we are
- 6:53Speaker 8: not him, We're of him, you know it. We're not
- 6:57Speaker 8: meant to be perfect. We're just meant to follow him.
- 7:00Speaker 7: And in that we always should be pursuing to be
- 7:03Speaker 7: better matter. We want to be more like him, we
- 7:06Speaker 7: want to be able to be changed in ways. There
- 7:08Speaker 7: are things that I see in myself that I want
- 7:10Speaker 7: to grow and look more like him.
- 7:12Speaker 3: But I'm not on your watch.
- 7:15Speaker 7: I'm not on your calendar, and how I get there,
- 7:18Speaker 7: I am on his. And so I think that if we,
- 7:23Speaker 7: like I said something on this this new digital series
- 7:26Speaker 7: I have on called Dane of Kings, is that we
- 7:29Speaker 7: have to understand man, that that that that we are patients,
- 7:35Speaker 7: We're not doctors. And Christianity is supposed to be a
- 7:39Speaker 7: place that's a hospital. It's a hospital. If that's to
- 7:42Speaker 7: be a country club, it's will be a place where
- 7:45Speaker 7: people that don't have it together could come and everybody
- 7:48Speaker 7: can feel comfortable that they know that they don't have
- 7:50Speaker 7: it together. But when people come to us in our
- 7:53Speaker 7: community and they feel like that. We are more concerned
- 7:56Speaker 7: about their their their habits and their ways been changed
- 8:00Speaker 7: before our eyes, and you're not being changed yet you
- 8:02Speaker 7: know doing it.
- 8:02Speaker 3: It's like that that then.
- 8:04Speaker 7: People create performance anxiety. That's where the mask comes is
- 8:08Speaker 7: because if I don't look the way that you think
- 8:10Speaker 7: I should look soon, then now I gotta fake it
- 8:13Speaker 7: till I make it, and then you never and then
- 8:15Speaker 7: what happens then you become a human doing and never
- 8:18Speaker 7: human being.
- 8:19Speaker 1: They also, I'm sorry, I was gonna say back to
- 8:21Speaker 1: the BT Awards, they were mad at one of your
- 8:24Speaker 1: outfits that you were.
- 8:25Speaker 6: They were mad at every I was about to say that,
- 8:27Speaker 6: like the office had them this year.
- 8:29Speaker 1: Yeah, they said that you apologized for it was you
- 8:31Speaker 1: wore like a take topic.
- 8:32Speaker 4: That we talked about that to the media room.
- 8:36Speaker 2: But what they bad at the I mean, it wasn't
- 8:38Speaker 2: pom pom shorts. You didn't have it.
- 8:41Speaker 6: So they try to say, bro sorry. They tried to
- 8:44Speaker 6: say Korry.
- 8:50Speaker 4: Sorry.
- 8:54Speaker 6: You just feel like it's so crazy, how like naturally
- 8:56Speaker 6: you just feel like the homie and I'm like, it's
- 8:59Speaker 6: Kirk Franklin.
- 8:59Speaker 3: When I note.
- 9:04Speaker 4: He kind of like watching you.
- 9:05Speaker 6: At the BET Awards and seeing it.
- 9:10Speaker 4: See God didn't want me to call you bro.
- 9:12Speaker 5: That's that's what happened when said, don't you call him bro.
- 9:16Speaker 8: But see that's the thing though, even when Kirk met
- 9:18Speaker 8: my son, it was it was crazy right because I'm
- 9:21Speaker 8: until you might come back on. I was saying, like
- 9:24Speaker 8: we we were on the same festival in Miami for
- 9:27Speaker 8: Miami Gardens, and my son was so starstruck and Kirk
- 9:32Speaker 8: made him feel.
- 9:33Speaker 5: Like he was cool.
- 9:34Speaker 8: So he goes back to my mother, his grandmother, and like,
- 9:37Speaker 8: I met Kirk Franklin and he was cool, he said,
- 9:40Speaker 8: you know, and and he said Bro, My like Bro
- 9:42Speaker 8: was cool. And my mother here she goes because you know,
- 9:45Speaker 8: she a deacon in the church and you don't refer
- 9:47Speaker 8: to know Kirk Franklins. I said, my no, like Kirk
- 9:50Speaker 8: is really cool, like relax and chill. When I just
- 9:52Speaker 8: set outside my son like he.
- 9:55Speaker 6: Bro, I felt like my grandmother came in this room,
- 9:58Speaker 6: she probably gonna call me after the.
- 10:03Speaker 4: Better not.
- 10:03Speaker 7: But see, that's too much, that's too much pressure. That's
- 10:07Speaker 7: a lot, and I'm gonna tell you I can be candid.
- 10:10Speaker 7: I don't think we're ever going to deconstruct a lot
- 10:13Speaker 7: of that it's because for a lot of people, they
- 10:17Speaker 7: need that to be able to be connected to their faith.
- 10:20Speaker 7: They need the stained glass windows, they need the pastor
- 10:24Speaker 7: to look at somewhere, they need the church service to
- 10:26Speaker 7: make them feel that this is my connection, this is
- 10:29Speaker 7: what holy and righteous looks like for me, and I
- 10:32Speaker 7: need that to hold on.
- 10:34Speaker 3: I don't need none of it. All I need is Jesus.
- 10:36Speaker 7: Gag game, That's all I All I need is Jesus.
- 10:39Speaker 7: And I'm you know, and again I ain't talking about
- 10:41Speaker 7: the European version with the blue eyes. I'm talking about
- 10:43Speaker 7: you know, that Jesus that dies. Everybody sins in any moment.
- 10:47Speaker 7: Everybody can come to the table. Everybody's at the foot
- 10:49Speaker 7: of the cross because we all stink in.
- 10:52Speaker 3: That's what I need.
- 10:54Speaker 6: I was gonna say talking about the Awards show, though,
- 10:57Speaker 6: there were a couple of things. So first, people were
- 10:58Speaker 6: upset at the performance in a like they felt like, yeah,
- 11:01Speaker 6: I mean, I thought it was a great performance. But
- 11:03Speaker 6: I think people, uh, I think it just goes to
- 11:06Speaker 6: like the people that you bring onto stage and how
- 11:08Speaker 6: you uh. I have a quote here, I think it
- 11:11Speaker 6: was Didrikdam was upset about Gloorilla won in the award,
- 11:13Speaker 6: but they also called He also mentioned like things being
- 11:16Speaker 6: like a mockery of worship and like things of that nature.
- 11:19Speaker 6: Do you get tired of that conversation at this point
- 11:21Speaker 6: or at this point are you so used to it?
- 11:22Speaker 4: It's whatever, be real, bro.
- 11:33Speaker 3: Own everything. I love. It is what it is.
- 11:37Speaker 5: Yeah, it.
- 11:40Speaker 3: Is what this. God blessed him, and God blessed him.
- 11:43Speaker 2: How did you feel about that?
- 11:44Speaker 1: Because some people were mad that in the gospel category
- 11:47Speaker 1: it was Glorilla in yourself, it was little Baby in yourself.
- 11:50Speaker 1: It was rhapsody, not your quote unquote typical gospel songs.
- 11:56Speaker 1: What did you think about that that Glorilla won her
- 11:58Speaker 1: first BT award was a gospel record?
- 12:01Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that? Primarily gospel artists.
- 12:04Speaker 7: I'm trying to keep my eyes on the prize, trying
- 12:06Speaker 7: to things that really matter. I'm trying to tell the
- 12:11Speaker 7: world about Jesus, trying to tell the world that for God,
- 12:13Speaker 7: soul of the world, that he gave his only son,
- 12:16Speaker 7: whoever believes in him should not perish, that ever last
- 12:18Speaker 7: in life.
- 12:19Speaker 3: That's one man. That's one man. Everything else is just noise.
- 12:23Speaker 3: That's one man.
- 12:24Speaker 8: I feel like you meet people where they are. You've
- 12:27Speaker 8: been doing that since I since I was a little girl.
- 12:29Speaker 8: Like you know, I I feel like there has been
- 12:34Speaker 8: like when you when you say you meet people where
- 12:38Speaker 8: you are, it's always been saying you meet people where
- 12:41Speaker 8: they are. Right, Christ and Christianity and Church don't look
- 12:49Speaker 8: the same for everybody.
- 12:50Speaker 5: So if like a glorrilla can.
- 12:54Speaker 8: Speak to us the youth, you know, and you stamp
- 13:00Speaker 8: it and were like, oh, we know, kurk Frank, this
- 13:03Speaker 8: is all of our mothers and grandmothers and aunts played
- 13:06Speaker 8: and growing up. And and and she because she she
- 13:11Speaker 8: is the bridge, you know what I mean, Like she
- 13:13Speaker 8: would be the bridge for it. And God uses everybody
- 13:15Speaker 8: like you can use anybody, can use a bum on
- 13:17Speaker 8: the street, and can use a homeless person.
- 13:19Speaker 5: He can use you know, anybody to.
- 13:23Speaker 8: Lead, you know, to so you can pay attention to
- 13:25Speaker 8: bring you to you know, to God and Jesus.
- 13:28Speaker 5: I feel like it's not, it's not Why is that
- 13:31Speaker 5: frowned upon?
- 13:32Speaker 3: You know what I mean? There's a text.
- 13:35Speaker 7: In Scripture there's this moment where the disciples were talking
- 13:40Speaker 7: to Jesus about people that were not part of their
- 13:42Speaker 7: crew that was also using his name and trying to
- 13:46Speaker 7: do things in his name, and they were upset about
- 13:48Speaker 7: it because they were not part of the crew. And
- 13:51Speaker 7: so they came to Jesus. They pulled up like, yo, man,
- 13:53Speaker 7: you need to go pull up on a boy. And
- 13:54Speaker 7: then they over there saying your name and trying to
- 13:56Speaker 7: do in your name, and we need to we really
- 13:58Speaker 7: need to squash that. And and that Jesus was like, Yo,
- 14:02Speaker 7: if they over there and they are still trying to
- 14:04Speaker 7: do good things in my name even though they're not
- 14:06Speaker 7: part of our crew, I'm not gonna squash that. It's
- 14:09Speaker 7: because they are still telling people my name. Yeah, And
- 14:12Speaker 7: so I feel that it is the same that today
- 14:15Speaker 7: that Christianity has for so long been a country club,
- 14:18Speaker 7: and you've had to have a membership, you've had to
- 14:20Speaker 7: look a certain way, like like like like, let me
- 14:23Speaker 7: tell one thing that's funny to me is that people
- 14:24Speaker 7: always say to me and even tell me sometimes it's like,
- 14:27Speaker 7: you know, like y'all look younger now, other y'all did
- 14:29Speaker 7: when y'all first started. Let me tell what a lot
- 14:31Speaker 7: of that was. We were assimilating to what the church.
- 14:34Speaker 7: If you were young in church, you had to look
- 14:36Speaker 7: old to be thought of as serious, like they didn't
- 14:39Speaker 7: take you serious if you did not look a certain way.
- 14:42Speaker 3: So you dressed though.
- 14:43Speaker 7: You had the long you know, you had the long jackets,
- 14:46Speaker 7: you know, the squat toe gators, you know, had the
- 14:49Speaker 7: big lamp. First time I took it to Coja convention.
- 14:54Speaker 7: We were twenty five years old. And now you know,
- 14:56Speaker 7: God blessed Church got in Christ, Love Church got in Christ.
- 14:59Speaker 3: You know.
- 14:59Speaker 7: But there's a certain aesthetic that sometimes you have on
- 15:02Speaker 7: twenty five years old, got a big old had on
- 15:05Speaker 7: gloves and she said, she said, I felt like trick
- 15:08Speaker 7: or treat, you know, because we were trying to assimilate.
- 15:12Speaker 7: You're trying to do all the things to be accepted
- 15:15Speaker 7: as a young person. And so now I mean, we're
- 15:17Speaker 7: just comfortable being who we are. And I just think
- 15:20Speaker 7: that it is really really important to just put people
- 15:23Speaker 7: back on the focus of what matters.
- 15:25Speaker 1: He's what matters, that's right now. What was the concept
- 15:28Speaker 1: of den of Kings?
- 15:30Speaker 2: How what inspired that?
- 15:31Speaker 3: Bro? First of all?
- 15:34Speaker 7: Bro, First of all, I am bro Bro Bro drag
- 15:38Speaker 7: me for see. That's the motif of the show right now,
- 15:41Speaker 7: bro Bro. And it's a beautiful thing, beautiful thing. But
- 15:45Speaker 7: one thing that I'm very excited about is that I
- 15:47Speaker 7: just had this idea that I've always been told that
- 15:50Speaker 7: people enjoy the way I hold court during dinner, Like
- 15:53Speaker 7: when you go to dinner with me, we're gonna chop,
- 15:55Speaker 7: you know. So we're gonna chop about politics, you know,
- 15:57Speaker 7: we want talking to talk about religions. We're gonna talk
- 16:00Speaker 7: about whatever and get it in. And so during my birthday,
- 16:04Speaker 7: I came to Atlanta. Well, I went to Lanta, had
- 16:06Speaker 7: dinner with some of my good guy friends and they
- 16:07Speaker 7: were like, yo, bro, you need to turn this in so,
- 16:10Speaker 7: you know, because I've had really great conversations. So with that,
- 16:15Speaker 7: I just thought about having dinner with black men and
- 16:19Speaker 7: what that could look like in that conversation. And so
- 16:21Speaker 7: the first episode shot in Atlanta, great food, chef, beautiful house.
- 16:28Speaker 3: You know.
- 16:28Speaker 7: You had Country Wayne, you had Uh Lou, you had Uh,
- 16:33Speaker 7: you had Daval, you had d C. And it was
- 16:36Speaker 7: an incredible moment. And the response has been I've been.
- 16:40Speaker 4: Telling everybody I know to watch it.
- 16:42Speaker 7: It's been amazing, as like, were you shocked at the response?
- 16:45Speaker 5: Yes, especially with DC and how he gets deep and
- 16:47Speaker 5: high yacht man. I love that because that's my brother
- 16:50Speaker 5: I know you know what I mean, you love you.
- 16:52Speaker 8: Yes, yes, yes, and you know even Country Wayne, you know,
- 16:55Speaker 8: like just you gave them that safe space, that vulnerable
- 16:59Speaker 8: place where they and they can talk about things that
- 17:01Speaker 8: they don't usually talk about, and they talk about but
- 17:04Speaker 8: they don't go in depth with it, you know what
- 17:06Speaker 8: I mean, Like you provide that and I love to
- 17:09Speaker 8: see that.
- 17:10Speaker 7: And it has been I mean, the response has been overwhelmed,
- 17:14Speaker 7: like it has been so so you know, We've got
- 17:17Speaker 7: another one on deck coming up soon, you know, and
- 17:19Speaker 7: it's just you know, dinner conversations with men with Black men.
- 17:24Speaker 7: And I'm humble and I want to thank everybody that's
- 17:27Speaker 7: been tuning in and watching it and it's just been
- 17:30Speaker 7: it's just been an amazing moment.
- 17:32Speaker 5: And it's like men's therapy. It's like watching a men's
- 17:34Speaker 5: therapy session.
- 17:35Speaker 3: It's crazy.
- 17:35Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy.
- 17:37Speaker 4: Each episode about fatherhood, there is going to be different
- 17:39Speaker 4: things that.
- 17:40Speaker 7: Different different conversations. Next one is by being a boss,
- 17:43Speaker 7: and uh, you know, we we are going to have
- 17:46Speaker 7: so many conversations that are just really just kind of
- 17:49Speaker 7: peeling back and just having a really, really, really great conversation.
- 17:53Speaker 3: You're gonna pull up on one, of course, don't play.
- 17:55Speaker 6: I think I know, I think v and Charlotte, I
- 17:57Speaker 6: think y'all be so amazing, and to sit down it
- 18:00Speaker 6: be fire because it's like a real conversation, non judgmental
- 18:03Speaker 6: as well.
- 18:04Speaker 7: Non judgmental, non judgmental. And I want everybody to feel safe,
- 18:07Speaker 7: and I try to lead with vulnerability and transparency myself.
- 18:10Speaker 7: So I try to create the environment that makes you
- 18:13Speaker 7: feel safe and comfortable.
- 18:14Speaker 8: Will there ever be a episode with you and your
- 18:18Speaker 8: baby boy, your son?
- 18:25Speaker 3: Hmm, it's not that I haven't thought about it.
- 18:28Speaker 7: It's it's it's it's it's because it's still a work
- 18:32Speaker 7: in progress. I would want there to be real healing
- 18:37Speaker 7: in his life, or there is anything that that that
- 18:43Speaker 7: that that puts a spotlight.
- 18:45Speaker 3: That could even be more damage. It got it to
- 18:47Speaker 3: his process.
- 18:48Speaker 7: You know, I want him whole. I don't give a
- 18:52Speaker 7: heck about writings. You know, I was gonna say someone else,
- 18:56Speaker 7: but I just want him hold and so whatever is
- 19:00Speaker 7: going to be for his best healing. And a lot
- 19:03Speaker 7: of times that that happens when the cameras.
- 19:04Speaker 2: Are what's what's your relationship now with them?
- 19:11Speaker 7: It's it's still work. It's it's it's still work now.
- 19:15Speaker 7: The beautiful thing that has happened is, you know, I
- 19:19Speaker 7: ran into my biological father these years and his what's
- 19:24Speaker 7: the most incredible thing about God? Everything that my oldest
- 19:28Speaker 7: son needs, that's.
- 19:30Speaker 8: His profession, your day's profession, biological father's profession.
- 19:37Speaker 7: And I think you can impact that, right, right, everything
- 19:40Speaker 7: that my oldest needs. So my biological has come in because.
- 19:45Speaker 3: That's his grandson. So he has a personal interest in
- 19:49Speaker 3: and in and in him being whole.
- 19:52Speaker 7: And it's been amazing, it's been well, it's been amazing
- 19:55Speaker 7: to watch, but it's still a process. And how was
- 20:00Speaker 7: that relationship with your biological First, let me say that
- 20:04Speaker 7: he's an amazing man. He's an amazing I love that
- 20:07Speaker 7: you can say that, Oh, he's.
- 20:08Speaker 3: An amazing man.
- 20:11Speaker 7: But it is more me. It's because I wasn't looking
- 20:15Speaker 7: for a father. He wasn't looking for a son. I mean,
- 20:17Speaker 7: you know, I mean we weren't looking. Remember, I thought
- 20:21Speaker 7: I knew who my father was, and he died of
- 20:24Speaker 7: cancer back in seventeen.
- 20:26Speaker 3: So now it's me.
- 20:30Speaker 7: Like, when you live your life so long on your own,
- 20:33Speaker 7: it's almost like a it's almost like a woman who
- 20:36Speaker 7: has been single for a long time. And if the
- 20:39Speaker 7: guy said, don't get that door, and you're kind of like,
- 20:41Speaker 7: what you know, you know.
- 20:42Speaker 3: You've got to kind of process. Okay, I ain't got
- 20:45Speaker 3: to give my door no more. What does that look?
- 20:48Speaker 3: You know? It's like, oh, what does that look? No?
- 20:50Speaker 5: I do understand what he said.
- 20:52Speaker 6: She don't have a man, but a single night, I
- 20:57Speaker 6: was talking more about your dad and you not feeling
- 20:59Speaker 6: like you were missing out on anything. Kind of sort
- 21:01Speaker 6: of I'm skipping past.
- 21:07Speaker 3: A liar. It's so good. How you did that.
- 21:09Speaker 8: Yeah, y'all loved the truth, and I'm letting you. She
- 21:12Speaker 8: don't have a man. She don't have the best relationship
- 21:14Speaker 8: with her dad, so she loved me.
- 21:16Speaker 2: That's another thing.
- 21:18Speaker 7: Would you like men or dad?
- 21:23Speaker 3: I'm thirty three, Okay, I'm fifty.
- 21:25Speaker 7: Five, so I'm so a man or dad. If I
- 21:27Speaker 7: find anyone, it may be a zad.
- 21:28Speaker 5: I might need a sad.
- 21:31Speaker 1: But she doesn't have necessarily the best relationship with her
- 21:34Speaker 1: father as well. So how did you get to the
- 21:36Speaker 1: point where you can have that relationship? I mean, she day,
- 21:40Speaker 1: but she doesn't have that relationship.
- 21:42Speaker 4: That's not true.
- 21:43Speaker 6: Me and my dad have built a relationship. But I
- 21:46Speaker 6: met him at fourteen. But to your point, because I
- 21:49Speaker 6: was so full with what I had, I had my stepdad,
- 21:51Speaker 6: my mom, my grandmother, I didn't know and like still now,
- 21:55Speaker 6: I don't, like I'll be forgetting his Father's Day.
- 21:56Speaker 4: And it's no shade to him.
- 21:57Speaker 6: It's just I've always been then full to the point
- 22:00Speaker 6: where I wasn't looking for So when he got introduced
- 22:02Speaker 6: into my life, I was like, oh, okay, so this
- 22:05Speaker 6: is my dad. I got to call him, I got
- 22:06Speaker 6: to talk to him. I got to And it don't
- 22:08Speaker 6: always be that all the time. It's not a natural
- 22:09Speaker 6: thing for me to do. So you're the first person
- 22:11Speaker 6: I ever heard explain it where it made sense to
- 22:13Speaker 6: me of like you just weren't looking for it because
- 22:15Speaker 6: you didn't know you needed it.
- 22:16Speaker 3: And Mom wasn't that I was full. Mom was that
- 22:18Speaker 3: I was numb.
- 22:19Speaker 4: Oh maybe I was numb.
- 22:20Speaker 7: Maybe, So you know, And I don't know, like I'm
- 22:23Speaker 7: not a professional, but but I do know that sometimes
- 22:26Speaker 7: you do learn how to live with limps.
- 22:28Speaker 5: Yeah, you learn.
- 22:29Speaker 7: How to live with limps to the point that you
- 22:31Speaker 7: forget is broken, you know. And I think that because
- 22:34Speaker 7: of where we come Frost people of color. We've had
- 22:37Speaker 7: to live so much of our lives as people with
- 22:40Speaker 7: with with limps, as people just because of just just
- 22:44Speaker 7: just the deconstruction of our homes and families and backgrounds
- 22:48Speaker 7: that a lot of times we don't even know often
- 22:50Speaker 7: what healthy is. Yeah, it's because we've had to just live.
- 22:53Speaker 3: Okay, We've never really lived, well, we just live, Okay.
- 22:57Speaker 6: Have you had those woments with your biological dad where
- 22:59Speaker 6: like y'all are talking and y'all going to miss of
- 23:01Speaker 6: something and you're like, oh, man, like I feel it,
- 23:03Speaker 6: this is what this is what was missing at some
- 23:05Speaker 6: point or I could have used this at some point.
- 23:07Speaker 7: Have you No, I have lived so much with deficiencies
- 23:12Speaker 7: that I'm still just trying to figure out so so
- 23:15Speaker 7: a lot of times if I'm around him, I'm just
- 23:18Speaker 7: trying to figure out how to be. Sometimes sometimes I'm
- 23:21Speaker 7: even sitting there having to just breathe just to keep
- 23:24Speaker 7: my anxiety. But you know, because it's so far, so far,
- 23:28Speaker 7: and I'm not.
- 23:29Speaker 3: You know, I'm not proud of these things.
- 23:32Speaker 7: But I'm not going to get up here and cap
- 23:34Speaker 7: with y'all, like you know, and give y'all the the
- 23:37Speaker 7: you know, the little House on the per fairy tale.
- 23:39Speaker 7: Oh man, God has blessed us and we're all together now.
- 23:43Speaker 7: It's like, my God, I'm still trying to figure life out,
- 23:46Speaker 7: Like it's a new addition that I'm still trying to figure.
- 23:50Speaker 3: Out the space for it.
- 23:51Speaker 1: Do you do you regret what you've done in gospel
- 23:55Speaker 1: music because it took so much time away from your family.
- 23:58Speaker 3: That's an incredible question.
- 24:00Speaker 7: It's I think that any man, in my humble opinion,
- 24:04Speaker 7: that is ambitious and driven will always look back and
- 24:07Speaker 7: have regrets on how the people around them have had
- 24:11Speaker 7: to suffer because.
- 24:13Speaker 1: Of that because you, Yeah, your family suffered, but you
- 24:16Speaker 1: brought joy to people. You probably saved a million in
- 24:19Speaker 1: more lives with your music and your dance and the word,
- 24:22Speaker 1: but you might have hurt a couple in the family
- 24:25Speaker 1: because you weren't there. So how does that balance out?
- 24:27Speaker 1: And and you know, as a father that works a lot,
- 24:32Speaker 1: I feel that sometimes it's like, damn, should I be
- 24:34Speaker 1: home learning this time?
- 24:35Speaker 3: But I gotta.
- 24:36Speaker 4: Devils Because y'all talked about this on the show.
- 24:39Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh boy.
- 24:44Speaker 3: You know you you you have many regrets. Yeah, you
- 24:49Speaker 3: have many.
- 24:49Speaker 7: Regrets, and you have confusion. It's because it's it's it's
- 24:53Speaker 7: almost like if you were not driven, if you were
- 24:57Speaker 7: not a dog, if you didn't have that attitude, then
- 25:01Speaker 7: you wouldn't have been what you are. But you also
- 25:04Speaker 7: know that many around you, whether it's your wife or
- 25:06Speaker 7: your kids, that they've suffered a lot, that they've gone
- 25:09Speaker 7: through a lot because it comes with a heavy price.
- 25:12Speaker 7: And I think that for me, mine also has another
- 25:15Speaker 7: level of of of kind of dichotomy is because you
- 25:20Speaker 7: also don't want to you don't want their kids faith
- 25:23Speaker 7: to be I don't want having to do with Jesus
- 25:25Speaker 7: because Jesus was the dude.
- 25:26Speaker 3: That kept my daddy away.
- 25:29Speaker 7: So I'm trying, you know, you've also tried to have
- 25:31Speaker 7: that now on space in that too. Now the beauty
- 25:34Speaker 7: of my children, it's their mother. My My my children
- 25:41Speaker 7: are are are.
- 25:42Speaker 3: Are great because of their mama. Tammy.
- 25:47Speaker 7: Tammy has Tammy is like she just that Midas touched,
- 25:52Speaker 7: you know she. But then how mama was dad, Tammy's
- 25:55Speaker 7: Mama's dad. Tammy's Mama's like that with me, you know,
- 25:58Speaker 7: just that mightas touch and I didn't have Obama, so
- 26:01Speaker 7: it's bam, I'm just a minus touched. But yeah, you
- 26:04Speaker 7: live with a lot of regret. You live with a
- 26:06Speaker 7: lot of guilt, You live with a lot of questions.
- 26:09Speaker 7: You live with that internal war of of of missing
- 26:14Speaker 7: things and and wondering what it would what it would
- 26:17Speaker 7: have been more like for you to be at home.
- 26:19Speaker 7: But then at the same time, you also that dude
- 26:21Speaker 7: that wakes up in the middle of the night with
- 26:23Speaker 7: dreams and ideas and ambitions and songs. You know, like
- 26:27Speaker 7: I wake up in the midlight with songs and and
- 26:29Speaker 7: you know, I'm at a basketball game and I got
- 26:31Speaker 7: to step outside to put something in my phone because
- 26:33Speaker 7: a song. Because if that song don't work, then I
- 26:36Speaker 7: can't pay for that school, and I can't pay for
- 26:38Speaker 7: that college. I can't pay for that your new car
- 26:40Speaker 7: you want after you graduated. It's like, you know, there's
- 26:43Speaker 7: that tension. It's because people are blessed by your sacrifice,
- 26:46Speaker 7: but then they're also hurt.
- 26:47Speaker 3: By your sacrifice. Yeah, and I don't know all the answers.
- 26:51Speaker 3: I just try to show up and be honest.
- 26:55Speaker 4: What's your mentorship to other people look like? These days?
- 26:58Speaker 6: Because I know Dinny Kings, I felt like when I
- 26:59Speaker 6: was watching it, it was that like you were mentoring
- 27:01Speaker 6: these men, but they just came together randomly. Do you
- 27:03Speaker 6: have like a set group of people that you're mentoring
- 27:05Speaker 6: and do you take the time to do that.
- 27:07Speaker 7: Maybe mentoring right now and these days and times does
- 27:10Speaker 7: look more like that. Maybe it doesn't look as traditional.
- 27:13Speaker 7: You know, it's I don't know's I just tried when
- 27:16Speaker 7: whenever I try to show up wherever I am, I'm
- 27:18Speaker 7: always trying to be the book that people need to read.
- 27:21Speaker 7: And so whatever that looks like, I'm always available to
- 27:24Speaker 7: do it. It may not always look in the traditional form.
- 27:27Speaker 7: It's because sometimes in traditional forms, like I remember doing
- 27:31Speaker 7: a youth camp's I did a youth music camp for
- 27:35Speaker 7: the Hood back a few years ago, and it just
- 27:38Speaker 7: didn't go well. And the reason why is because what
- 27:40Speaker 7: I notice is that if Steph Curry does a camp,
- 27:43Speaker 7: if Steph Curry does a basketball camp, and you can
- 27:46Speaker 7: figure it, you probably can do this. Envy kids that
- 27:49Speaker 7: come to a basketball camp, they're not looking for Steph
- 27:52Speaker 7: Curry to get them in the NBA because they know
- 27:55Speaker 7: that it's still a process. They know a coach and
- 27:58Speaker 7: a team so so so. So Curry can do a
- 28:01Speaker 7: basketball camp and you know, show love, give out some treats, whatever,
- 28:06Speaker 7: but a daddy is not pulling them to the side,
- 28:08Speaker 7: going yo, man, you think you could talk to the
- 28:10Speaker 7: team from a boy where when I do a music camp,
- 28:14Speaker 7: demo tapes and everybody, you know, it's it's like they
- 28:17Speaker 7: see my world more accessible. So I'm not getting a
- 28:20Speaker 7: chance to really mentor I got a whole bunch of
- 28:22Speaker 7: people just kind of.
- 28:23Speaker 3: Want to be put on right right, and and so
- 28:26Speaker 3: that didn't go well for me that that.
- 28:28Speaker 7: You know, I want to be able to plant seas
- 28:30Speaker 7: and help you, but I'm not here trying to put
- 28:33Speaker 7: you on.
- 28:34Speaker 3: Yeah, And so what I love.
- 28:36Speaker 8: I love that you said social media is not evil.
- 28:40Speaker 8: You know, it's broken people. They use it as a
- 28:42Speaker 8: tool of evil.
- 28:43Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 28:44Speaker 8: Right, So does commentary on social media affect you at all?
- 28:48Speaker 3: Yeah? I can't.
- 28:50Speaker 7: Yeah, And I think anybody be aligned with this. And
- 28:53Speaker 7: I think that we all try to do our social
- 28:55Speaker 7: media fast and we try to pull back, you know,
- 28:58Speaker 7: Like after the Beach Awards, I was like, I'm not
- 29:00Speaker 7: reading nothing.
- 29:00Speaker 3: I don't want to read nothing.
- 29:01Speaker 7: I don't want nothing, you know, And then you know
- 29:04Speaker 7: a few days of Lady by yourself.
- 29:06Speaker 5: I'm looking.
- 29:10Speaker 3: Man, please about Jesus.
- 29:12Speaker 7: You know, so you know, yeah, you you you, You
- 29:15Speaker 7: find that attention and you try to do the best.
- 29:17Speaker 7: I really believe y'all, and I know y'all gotta wrap
- 29:20Speaker 7: me up real soon, man, I gotta believe. I believe
- 29:24Speaker 7: that everything that we discussed can be summarized in these
- 29:27Speaker 7: major points of humans have to be more kind to
- 29:32Speaker 7: humans that we we Here's.
- 29:37Speaker 3: The illustration before I go.
- 29:38Speaker 7: Right, if you are on an island and the island
- 29:41Speaker 7: is now slowly sinking into the water, and the only
- 29:44Speaker 7: way off that island to the other piece of bigger
- 29:47Speaker 7: land is this rope, this type rope, and everybody has
- 29:50Speaker 7: to walk across that type rope.
- 29:51Speaker 3: Now, mind you, they're walking over water.
- 29:54Speaker 7: That is shark infested, right, so if you fall off
- 29:57Speaker 7: that type rope, but that's the only way to get
- 30:01Speaker 7: off this island is.
- 30:02Speaker 3: This type rope.
- 30:03Speaker 7: Everybody that is getting on that type rope, if you're
- 30:05Speaker 7: sitting there, standing there watching them because you know your
- 30:08Speaker 7: turn is coming up next, you're not going to be
- 30:10Speaker 7: sitting there criticizing how they're getting off on that type
- 30:12Speaker 7: You're not gonna be going look at a leap, look
- 30:15Speaker 7: at shit.
- 30:15Speaker 3: I didn't walking on it, right, look a look at that.
- 30:17Speaker 7: You're not doing it because you know why you're not
- 30:19Speaker 7: doing that, because you know you next, So you sent
- 30:22Speaker 7: it going.
- 30:22Speaker 3: Please man, oh God, please let them make it. Please
- 30:26Speaker 3: she made it. She made because I give you hope
- 30:27Speaker 3: that you can make it. That's what life is.
- 30:32Speaker 7: It's sinking and we're trying to get off, and there's
- 30:34Speaker 7: only way, there's only one way. And but we're criticizing
- 30:38Speaker 7: each other while we're trying to get on.
- 30:40Speaker 3: That's the only way. There's no boat, there's nothing.
- 30:42Speaker 7: The only way off the sinking island is this damn
- 30:46Speaker 7: difficult way. We should be praying people make it instead
- 30:49Speaker 7: of complaining how they.
- 30:50Speaker 3: Walking because you next?
- 30:54Speaker 8: And the church said, amen, dang well, dang I was
- 30:59Speaker 8: let me, how did you listen? You got some of
- 31:03Speaker 8: the strongest pipes coming up out of your choirs, like
- 31:05Speaker 8: I'm talking about like everybody was like a lead singer,
- 31:08Speaker 8: like everybody, How did you find these people?
- 31:11Speaker 3: That's how I do it, That's how you do it.
- 31:13Speaker 3: I do it.
- 31:14Speaker 5: I look for lead singer individuals.
- 31:16Speaker 3: It's I go after artists.
- 31:18Speaker 7: Ye's I look at people that I see an artist
- 31:21Speaker 7: in them. Come rock with m and that's what I
- 31:25Speaker 7: do and that's why they're so amazing.
- 31:27Speaker 3: Yeah. So, but that's dope that you caught that.
- 31:30Speaker 8: Since I was little, I'm like, yo ho, everybody can
- 31:33Speaker 8: not just sing, but say everybody can sing like he
- 31:35Speaker 8: could have had, like everybody do their own solo.
- 31:38Speaker 5: Yeah crazy man.
- 31:41Speaker 8: But I want to say I love you so much.
- 31:44Speaker 8: I've been inspired since I was like just so.
- 31:47Speaker 5: Young, just those long mornings my.
- 31:50Speaker 8: Mother pop your CDs and for every CD we had.
- 31:54Speaker 8: You know, I grew up on you and I love
- 31:58Speaker 8: you and I'm so happy that I got to meet you.
- 32:01Speaker 2: You know, this is so crazy. This is the first
- 32:02Speaker 2: time you met him, because he.
- 32:03Speaker 4: S second time.
- 32:06Speaker 8: Always I met him before he but it is kind
- 32:11Speaker 8: of crazy, mean, Kirk Franklin, because you men are in
- 32:13Speaker 8: our household are literally and I know my heart for word,
- 32:17Speaker 8: I know that like everything my whole life.
- 32:20Speaker 4: So meeting you was just like so I'm mad.
- 32:22Speaker 5: It was Kirk Franklin like okay, and it is your presence.
- 32:26Speaker 8: So I thank you so much just for all of
- 32:28Speaker 8: your work and everything that you that you've done, You've
- 32:31Speaker 8: contributed to just to my household and to gospel, the
- 32:35Speaker 8: Word of God.
- 32:36Speaker 5: Everything thank you.
- 32:37Speaker 1: That's kind of yeah, thank you well, Dinner Kings. You
- 32:40Speaker 1: can check it out on YouTube. New single Dude again.
- 32:42Speaker 1: We're about to play that again and we have to
- 32:46Speaker 1: leave with a prayer.
- 32:46Speaker 3: What's wrong with you know?
- 32:48Speaker 7: I was.
- 32:50Speaker 4: First of all? He prayed for me at the media
- 32:51Speaker 4: room as well too. Okay, I'm always covering in prayer.
- 32:54Speaker 3: Always coming too, but that.
- 32:57Speaker 8: You see, Shay you I need you to pray in
- 33:00Speaker 8: exactly exactly because they talked about them, so.
- 33:04Speaker 5: Many of them talked them right off.
- 33:06Speaker 3: Are we including praying for a zaddy or are.
- 33:08Speaker 4: We please you allowed to say that to God? Go here?
- 33:12Speaker 4: I can't.
- 33:16Speaker 7: Man, man, Father, wow, man, thank you so much that
- 33:19Speaker 7: you are just the most kindest, the most patient, creative
- 33:22Speaker 7: of them all. Thank you Lord, that you constantly just
- 33:25Speaker 7: forgive us when we mess up, and that you are
- 33:28Speaker 7: always warning us to win because when we win it
- 33:30Speaker 7: makes you look great.
- 33:32Speaker 3: Father.
- 33:32Speaker 7: We know that the world is crazy, and Father, I
- 33:34Speaker 7: want to thank you for these three soldiers, for the
- 33:36Speaker 7: four soldiers, and how they are doing their best to
- 33:39Speaker 7: try to plant seeds of goodness in the earth. Just
- 33:42Speaker 7: watch over the families, watch over their lives. If we've
- 33:44Speaker 7: ever needed you before. We need you in the world. Now,
- 33:47Speaker 7: please break down the walls of religion so that we
- 33:49Speaker 7: can be able to see the light of your son.
- 33:52Speaker 7: And I'm talking about your son as oh end and father.
- 33:55Speaker 7: We want him to be glorified in our lives. We
- 33:58Speaker 7: are far from perfect, messed up, and we love the
- 34:01Speaker 7: fact that you take the lemons and make lemonade in
- 34:04Speaker 7: our lives every day. Thank you for not giving up
- 34:07Speaker 7: on us. We want to make you proud, we want
- 34:09Speaker 7: to make you happy. And your name Jesus, Amen.
- 34:11Speaker 3: Amen.
- 34:12Speaker 1: All right, well there you have it. It's Kirk Franklin.
- 34:15Speaker 1: It's the Breakfast Club.
- 34:16Speaker 2: Good morning.
- 34:17Speaker 3: Wake that ass up in the morning.
- 34:19Speaker 2: The Breakfast Club