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Jessy Muller on Taking the Slow Road and Living Full-Time in Her Vintage Commander · The Overland Journal Podcast

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Speaker 1: So Jesse, thank you so much for being on the
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Speaker 1: podcast with me today. I actually came across you in
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Speaker 1: one of the Instagram recommended reels and you had me
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Speaker 1: laughing right off the bat. So that was the one
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Speaker 1: thing that I noticed from the very beginning is it's
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Speaker 1: very clear to me that you love what you do
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Speaker 1: and that you love sharing that enthusiasm with others. So
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Speaker 1: thank you for your sense of humor. At the same time, oh.
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Speaker 2: Well, thank you and thanks for having me.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're so welcome. So you're known as slow Roamer
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Speaker 1: on Instagram, So those that are listening you should go
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Speaker 1: out and do a follow because between the cat videos
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Speaker 1: and the Commander videos and you getting stuck and unstuck
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Speaker 1: and everything else, you are more of an over You
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Speaker 1: are more of an Overlander than most of the people
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Speaker 1: who think they're pretty hardcore.
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Speaker 2: So well, I take.
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Speaker 1: That absolutely, you know, and it was it was really
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Speaker 1: thoughtful of you because we had that conversation early when
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Speaker 1: I contacted you. You said, well, I'm not really an Overlander,
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Speaker 1: and I think that that's important for people to remember
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Speaker 1: that you don't have to be an Overlander to see
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Speaker 1: the world. I think the goal is to explore in
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Speaker 1: the ways that you want, and a special thanks to
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Speaker 1: Joshua Tree. I use the difficulty rating and the elevation
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Speaker 1: to determine which trails are best suited to the vehicle
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Speaker 1: and the weather. Thanks again on X for your support
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Speaker 1: of the Overland Journal podcast. Let's start off with the
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Speaker 1: first question for you, which is you talk a lot
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Speaker 1: about slow travel and what does slow travel mean to you?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is actually super important to me. It's actually
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Speaker 2: the main reason I hit the road. I had been
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Speaker 2: doing a lot of travel within the US and then
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Speaker 2: also international, and one of my biggest takeaways from that
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Speaker 2: was the feeling that I was always trying to pack
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Speaker 2: so much in in such a short amount of time,
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Speaker 2: and a lot of that didn't allow me to be
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Speaker 2: as present as I wanted to be on these travels.
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Speaker 2: So I was just rushing to the next thing and
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Speaker 2: always taking photos, and I couldn't really like sit down
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Speaker 2: inside of these experiences as much as I'd like to.
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Speaker 2: And I also wanted to just kind of escape the
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Speaker 2: hustle and bustle of everyday life. And so my goal
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Speaker 2: when I was planning to live on the road was
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Speaker 2: to slow way down and create time for me to
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Speaker 2: just be and to be present and to be in
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Speaker 2: nature and to be more intentional and to really live
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Speaker 2: in these places that I was traveling to instead of
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Speaker 2: just stopping by. I wanted to allow for more time
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Speaker 2: to just really like be able to sink my teeth
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Speaker 2: in and appreciate the bigger feeling that you get from
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Speaker 2: somewhere when you spend more time there.
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Speaker 1: And what's so interesting to me is that in your
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Speaker 1: mind it's doing it's this counterculture step, but I think
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Speaker 1: it's actually how we should be living.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think so. And I think a lot
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Speaker 2: of people they want to do van life or r
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Speaker 2: V life or live on the road, and they kind
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Speaker 2: of have a tendency to take the sort of programming
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Speaker 2: that we have in our conventional life, which is like,
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Speaker 2: you know, hustle, hustle, hustle, always be busy. They kind
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Speaker 2: of take it into this lifestyle and they start rushing
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Speaker 2: from one thing to the next, and then they burn
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Speaker 2: out really fast. And I think that's partially why I've
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Speaker 2: been able to stay down the road for so long,
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Speaker 2: is because of how slow I move, because I have
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Speaker 2: experienced traveling a bit faster in the years that I've
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Speaker 2: been on the road, and I did burn out pretty quick,
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Speaker 2: and it actually got me to a point where I
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Speaker 2: was like, maybe I'm over living on the road, maybe
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Speaker 2: this isn't for me anymore. And then sure enough, once
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Speaker 2: I slowed down again, I was able to enjoy it.
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Speaker 2: And and yeah, it just it just makes you appreciate
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Speaker 2: life a lot more when you have time to appreciate it.
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Speaker 2: It seems silly to say, but we don't normally have
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Speaker 2: time to appreciate it when we're living a conventional life.
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Speaker 2: So unless you're crafting that time or you change the
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Speaker 2: way you're living, it's you know, it's the way to
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Speaker 2: do it for me anyway.
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Speaker 1: Well, and I think that it's like any other or
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Speaker 1: new lesson in life, is that you have to take
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Speaker 1: the time to learn it. That we like. I think
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Speaker 1: you use the word programming, and I like that perspective
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Speaker 1: because I think we are taught from a very young
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Speaker 1: age to be productive to achieve these milestone milestones of civilization.
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Speaker 1: Where as you don't actually have to do that. We
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Speaker 1: get to make choices. We've made. You've made choices in
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Speaker 1: your life that have allowed you to now experience more deeply.
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Speaker 1: So you talk a little bit about about being present.
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Speaker 1: What do you think you've learned about yourself by being
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Speaker 1: more present, by having that space and time.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's only made me realize even more
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Speaker 2: how introverted I am. Maybe it's even fed into that
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Speaker 2: a bit. I appreciate the peace and the quiet and
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Speaker 2: stillness and slowness, and maybe I've even been come like
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Speaker 2: less sensitized to the noise of everyday life in a
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Speaker 2: conventional way of living anyway, But I think I don't
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Speaker 2: know if it's like taught me anything about myself other
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Speaker 2: than it's just affirmed that I am happier this way.
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Speaker 2: You know, before I made this big choice, it was
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Speaker 2: kind of going on a gut feeling. I was like,
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Speaker 2: I think that I would like this, and I think
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Speaker 2: that I would want this, but I didn't know for
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Speaker 2: sure because I'd never lived this way. And so now
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Speaker 2: I know for sure that it suits me quite well.
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Speaker 1: Well. And we're used to I mean, you think about
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Speaker 1: humanity over the time, and it's only been so recent
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Speaker 1: that we haven't been in a village. You know. Now
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Speaker 1: we're in these huge cities and we have lots of
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Speaker 1: acquaintances and very few friends. We have lots of interaction,
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Speaker 1: but very few connections. So I think the way that
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Speaker 1: you're living is more consistent with how people have lived,
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Speaker 1: which is this more time, more time to think, more
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Speaker 1: time to connect, spend time with your cat.
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Speaker 2: Yes, quality time with the cat is always appreciated. And
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Speaker 2: you know, when I first hit the road, I thought,
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Speaker 2: first hit the road, I thought that this was going
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Speaker 2: to be a very solo adventure, and then I was like,
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Speaker 2: I'm just going to be alone. I'm going to be
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Speaker 2: doing my own thing, and it's actually been more about
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Speaker 2: community than I could have ever imagined. I have met
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Speaker 2: more people and I'm more social now than I ever
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Speaker 2: was before, and I think a lot of that has
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Speaker 2: to do with just meeting more like minded people for
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Speaker 2: the first time in my life. And yeah, I just
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Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, having that sort of community
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Speaker 2: feels it feels almost less lonely, even though I know
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Speaker 2: that's like a big concern for people that are looking
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Speaker 2: to get into this lifestyle is and some people I
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Speaker 2: think still do feel lonely. Because it all depends on
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Speaker 2: how much socializing you require as an introvert. I don't
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Speaker 2: actually require that much, but but I'm getting more than enough.
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Speaker 2: You know, I see people I make friends with my
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Speaker 2: neighbor I will, you know, because of like just Instagram
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Speaker 2: chatting with people like, oh you're in that area, like
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Speaker 2: let's meet up. And so I feel like I connect
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Speaker 2: with people quite often.
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Speaker 1: And we talked a little bit about the fact that
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Speaker 1: you had met up with Matt and Amanda, who had
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Speaker 1: a similar RV to yours before they started doing some
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Speaker 1: work with us, And I mean, when I think about
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Speaker 1: the quality of those two people, like spending time with
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Speaker 1: people like that, like Matt Spirts, I mean, it's just
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Speaker 1: there really are another level of human being in my mind.
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Speaker 1: They're very thoughtful, and they not only care about connections,
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Speaker 1: but they care about how they're interacting with the planet,
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Speaker 1: and they care about how the interact with other travelers
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Speaker 1: because like it or not, because of your following, you've
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Speaker 1: become an ambassador for travel in many ways. So the
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Speaker 1: way that you model how you live, I think really
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Speaker 1: helps give people a sense of maybe a standard of
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Speaker 1: how they should interact with others.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I try and set a good example
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Speaker 2: and I and I hope that I'm doing okay with
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Speaker 2: that because it is a responsibility. Like when you're sharing
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Speaker 2: your life online and you're sharing this lifestyle and getting
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Speaker 2: other people into it, that you demonstrate you know, the
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Speaker 2: proper ways to be boondocking and you know how to
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Speaker 2: practice leave no trace and all of these things, because
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Speaker 2: there's you know, people come out here and they don't
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Speaker 2: always know. And I try and tell myself that a
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Speaker 2: lot of what I see that you know is disrespectful
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Speaker 2: or not super great etiquette is just from a lack
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Speaker 2: of education. So it is nice to be able to
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Speaker 2: have a platform to be able to educate and talk
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Speaker 2: about that stuff sometimes without hopefully being too preachy.
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Speaker 1: Well, you've done a good job of that. I think
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Speaker 1: just some of the images that you've shown of trash
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Speaker 1: or things that were burned or abandoned vehicles or uh,
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Speaker 1: tire tracks off into pristine desert. Those those are things
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Speaker 1: that you again you're modeling like that, this is not
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Speaker 1: the right behavior. Yeah, And if you look, if you
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Speaker 1: look at tread lightly or if you look at leave
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Speaker 1: no trace. That's one of the core tenets of both
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Speaker 1: is to become educated about things like cryptobiotic soil. We
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Speaker 1: were just talking about some neat Utah before we started recording,
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Speaker 1: and that those little microbes, those little living beings that
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Speaker 1: are that are creating that that that cryptobiotic soil that
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Speaker 1: helps to keep the whole desert from getting blown away.
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Speaker 1: So they're really it's really important. So I suspect, yeah, exactly,
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Speaker 1: go bust the crust. I mean, I remember when I
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Speaker 1: first started going there, I didn't know, and I would
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Speaker 1: like be walking through it. I had no idea what
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Speaker 1: I was doing was so destructive and there's plenty of trails.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't We're not at all suggesting that people shouldn't
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Speaker 1: go out and explore, but just stay on the trail.
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Speaker 1: Or if you come to a campsite and you have
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Speaker 1: four vehicles in your group and there's really only room
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Speaker 1: for one or two, go on down to the next campsite.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's common sense. But yeah, I think
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Speaker 2: a lot of it does have to do with just
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Speaker 2: education and making some making making them aware of it,
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Speaker 2: because I know, I when you know better, you do better. Basically.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think I think, I think in a
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Speaker 1: lot of cases that's true. But coming back to the
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Speaker 1: fact that you started in twenty seventeen, you had to
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Speaker 1: have seen, especially with COVID, an absolute explosion of other
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Speaker 1: campers out in the back country. I mean I just
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Speaker 1: was at I just went through Value of the Gods
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Speaker 1: last week, and it was shocking to me. There was
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Speaker 1: actually a fifth wheel getting towed through that trail, which
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Speaker 1: it had no place to be. And when I first
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Speaker 1: started going there, you know, fifteen plus years ago, almost
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Speaker 1: twenty years ago, you could find any of the campsites open.
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Speaker 1: There was no one there, and now they're So what
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Speaker 1: are some ways that you because you have a vehicle
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Speaker 1: with a limited amount of capability So how do you
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Speaker 1: find sites without giving away any of your secret spots.
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Speaker 1: What are some of the things that you do in
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Speaker 1: order to find a great spot to boondock for a
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Speaker 1: week or two.
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Speaker 2: Well, I would say probably my number one thing is
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Speaker 2: I go to places that people don't like very much.
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Speaker 2: That's not always true, you know, like some I'm in
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Speaker 2: a really beautiful spot right now, but I think a
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Speaker 2: lot of the boon docking that I see that is
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Speaker 2: really really popular is usually around some sort of a feature,
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Speaker 2: you know, like a national Yeah, yeah, a dona, like
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Speaker 2: a bow ab you know, like these places that have
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Speaker 2: a draw and they already have tourism. So I kind
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Speaker 2: of avoid those places. And there's plenty of other public
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Speaker 2: land and beautiful spots to go that aren't centered around
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Speaker 2: a touristy area. And because I'm not interested in like
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Speaker 2: some of the things that draws people to those places,
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Speaker 2: like mountain biking or I'm trying all the restaurants or
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Speaker 2: you know, the stuff that people do in those places,
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Speaker 2: I kind of, you know, I kind of just want
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Speaker 2: to hang and be by myself and you know, do
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Speaker 2: my work and look at nature and go for walks
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Speaker 2: and whatnot, and so that suits me just fine. But yeah,
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Speaker 2: I primarily use I overlander. I think that's kind of
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Speaker 2: the go too for everybody. And I tend to focus
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Speaker 2: on photos and then descriptions of the road in because
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Speaker 2: my rig is bigger and older and so, I mean,
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Speaker 2: I've made her do plenty of stuff she has no
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Speaker 2: business doing. But I like to try and get a
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Speaker 2: little preview of what I might be getting myself into.
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Speaker 2: And then obviously I have to make sure that there's
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Speaker 2: cell service so I could be working. But yeah, I
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Speaker 2: think just staying away from those like really popular destinations,
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Speaker 2: there's still plenty of spot spots where they're not totally
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Speaker 2: saturated with campers.
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Speaker 1: And you seem to be spending a lot of time
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Speaker 1: in Arizona, which has so much public land. Yeah, and
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Speaker 1: it is very easy to get away from the big
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Speaker 1: crowds I find, and there is already you can really
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Speaker 1: find those special camp spots.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think after this many years on the road,
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Speaker 2: my go tos are Idaho, Arizona, Nevada. Yeah, that's usually
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Speaker 2: about it. They're kind of like in my journey north
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Speaker 2: for the summer and then my journey south for the winter,
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Speaker 2: traveling with the weather and I've kind of just concentrated
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Speaker 2: to those states at this point. Nevada is a surprisingly
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Speaker 2: great place for me to be. They don't have it
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Speaker 2: doesn't have like a ton of features other than some
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Speaker 2: hot springs sprinkled around, But I just love driving there.
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Speaker 2: Is so stress free, and it's just not a very
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Speaker 2: populated state from what I've experienced, and there's just so
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Speaker 2: many wide open spaces, and so Nevada has actually been
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Speaker 2: a surprising little treat that I really enjoyed going through.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, like Highway fifty, I mean that is they call
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Speaker 1: it the loneliest Highway. There is nothing nobody if you
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Speaker 1: go to east West, if you go to ee Nevada,
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Speaker 1: you're up in the pine trees and nobody knows about
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Speaker 1: that place.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean there's there's a lot of little
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Speaker 2: hidden gems in Nevada. And I feel like when you
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Speaker 2: think of Nevada is kind of just like flat desert, featureless,
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Speaker 2: but there is pockets of like oasis or hot springs
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Speaker 2: or fresh water and then like life is just springing
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Speaker 2: out of nowhere and makes it feel even more special.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And Idaho is that way too. I mean, even
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Speaker 1: though Idaho has become more popular, It isn't overly populated,
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Speaker 1: so you can get away in Idaho for sure.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. A lot of beautiful national forests in Idaho.
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yeah absolutely. Oh yeah, yeah, I'll have
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Speaker 1: to send you. I lived in Idaho for a while
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Speaker 1: and I have to send you some of the spots
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Speaker 1: that I liked. But I mean, it's surprising. It's surprising
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Speaker 1: how remote and sparsely populated that state is.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's really pretty there.
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Speaker 1: So you tend to follow the weather. What are some
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Speaker 1: tricks that you have found to keep yourself comfortable? Like
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Speaker 1: do you tend to focus on it being as cool
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Speaker 1: as possible and then use heaters or do you do
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Speaker 1: you have an air conditioning in your vehicle.
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Speaker 2: I don't have an air conditioning. I don't have one
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Speaker 2: in the dash, and I don't have one in the house.
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Speaker 2: I actually did have an air conditioning in the house,
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Speaker 2: but it I had to run my generator use it,
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Speaker 2: and it was so loud. You know, it's like forty
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Speaker 2: plus years old, and I'm like, I'm not going to
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Speaker 2: use this. This is ridiculous. So I took it out
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Speaker 2: and I put in a fan instead, and I use
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Speaker 2: that all the time.
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Speaker 1: You have like a thermostat controlled fan, because those really well, no.
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Speaker 2: It's just like I think it's a fantastic fan.
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Speaker 1: Those are great.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it gets air flowing, and mander
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Speaker 2: is like made of windows, so I can open everything
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Speaker 2: up and air is always like circulating in here. Last
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Speaker 2: year I got this little thing called an Eva Polar,
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Speaker 2: which is like a it's like really small. It's like
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Speaker 2: a mini swamp cooler. So you put water in the
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Speaker 2: in behind it and then it doesn't cool the whole
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Speaker 2: space down. But if you're sitting in front of it
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Speaker 2: and it's like one hundred degrees and it's blowing on you,
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Speaker 2: it makes all difference.
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Speaker 1: It's tolerable.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes it a lot more comfortable. And then
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Speaker 2: for my kitty, I keep these like they're like ice
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Speaker 2: packs for coolers, but they're flat, kind of like a blanket,
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Speaker 2: like a quilted blanket or something, and so I keep
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Speaker 2: those in the freezer for her, And if it gets
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Speaker 2: real hot, I put that on the ground with a
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Speaker 2: towel and she goes in length on it. But we
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Speaker 2: try not to do Yeah, she knows exactly what to do,
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Speaker 2: but yeah, we try and do like I can't do
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Speaker 2: like a ton of elevation in my rig because she
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Speaker 2: does not like mountain passes. And I think between the
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Speaker 2: carburetor and then me being incredibly anxious trying to drive
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Speaker 2: a mountain pass in a forty five year old RB,
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Speaker 2: we just don't mess with it that much. But we
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Speaker 2: can get up to like eight thousand feet in the summer,
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Speaker 2: so it it stays pretty cool. And then in the winter,
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Speaker 2: you know, I just go to like southern Arizona and yeah,
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Speaker 2: run the heater at night. But it's doable. It's like
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Speaker 2: it's like glorified tent camping basically in here.
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Speaker 1: But you do have a kitchen. Do you tend to
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Speaker 1: cook most own food? Yes, that way you can find
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Speaker 1: that's a way to stay healthier on the road.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I just am never really going into
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Speaker 2: cities that much. I go into cities to restock and
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Speaker 2: then I leave, so I just don't have a lot
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Speaker 2: of opportunity to go out to eat anyway. But yeah,
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Speaker 2: I'm not much of.
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Speaker 1: Those what's up and it's expensive to go eat out
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Speaker 1: all the time.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely can add up. But yeah, I have
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Speaker 2: a pretty decent sized fridge and freezer and I have
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Speaker 2: a four burner and an oven, but I, yeah, I
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Speaker 2: could really be cooking it up in here, but I
19:43
Speaker 2: actually am not much of a foodie and I don't
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Speaker 2: love cooking, and so I have an electric burner that
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Speaker 2: I'm able to run off my solar and I do
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Speaker 2: almost everything on that. And yeah, I just keep it
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Speaker 2: real simple, like smoothies and salads and you know, just
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Speaker 2: just very simple. I can make the pizzas on nonbred.
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Speaker 1: Perfect.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what you really need, right, pizza needs some salad.
20:10
Speaker 1: That's totally perfect. So your your vehicle is it's a
20:15
Speaker 1: Command or what year is it's.
20:17
Speaker 2: A nineteen seventy eight Dodge Commander?
20:20
Speaker 1: Wow? So when did you? Did you buy that in
20:23
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen when you first started or did you kind
20:25
Speaker 1: of go from one vehicle into that?
20:28
Speaker 2: So I bought her in twenty sixteen, okay, And I
20:32
Speaker 2: spent like a year and three months restoring and rebuilding
20:36
Speaker 2: and remodeling, and then yeah, I hit the road in
20:38
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen and I've been in her the entire time,
20:43
Speaker 2: except for there was like an eleven month eleven month
20:46
Speaker 2: period of time where me and my boyfriend at the
20:49
Speaker 2: time were actually traveling in a GXV, which were you
20:54
Speaker 2: following me at that point? Did you see that?
20:57
Speaker 1: No?
20:58
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, So we had when he got it was
21:00
Speaker 2: like kind of his dream vehicle, and and so I
21:03
Speaker 2: was like, all right, let's do it, and I put
21:05
Speaker 2: my rig in storage and we traveled around in that.
21:08
Speaker 2: We did. We spent three months in Baja doing the
21:10
Speaker 2: whole peninsula. That was probably the most legitimate overlanding experience
21:19
Speaker 2: for people that want to be real strict about what
21:21
Speaker 2: overlanding means.
21:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it mean whenever you want. Yeah.
21:26
Speaker 2: Yeah. But we had some adventures in that, and then
21:28
Speaker 2: he decided that that was just way too much vehicle
21:31
Speaker 2: for him, and so he sold it, went back to
21:33
Speaker 2: a sprinter van, and I came back to my beloved RV.
21:37
Speaker 1: Yeah. The gxvs are nice. I've traveled with them a
21:40
Speaker 1: little bit. It's just it's such a commitment of resources
21:46
Speaker 1: to do one of those, and because I like to
21:49
Speaker 1: travel internationally. Some of the they call it a carne
21:54
Speaker 1: but it's the bond that you have to have against
21:56
Speaker 1: the vehicle when you're traveling around the world. It's sometimes
21:59
Speaker 1: two or three times the value of the vehicle. You
22:01
Speaker 1: have to post bond. So I've just never seen I've
22:04
Speaker 1: never seen the incentive to have, you know, a million
22:09
Speaker 1: dollars sitting in the bank someone could take from you
22:11
Speaker 1: at any moment if they decided to.
22:13
Speaker 2: So boh, yeah I didn't. We didn't even consider taking
22:16
Speaker 2: it overseas. I think he was just kind of getting
22:19
Speaker 2: his feet wet. And we did. We did baha, and
22:22
Speaker 2: and he, you know, came from traveling in a sprinter van,
22:25
Speaker 2: so he had never really driven a big rig and
22:27
Speaker 2: he was really kind of overwhelmed with that experience and
22:32
Speaker 2: decided that a smaller vehicle was better. Yeah.
22:35
Speaker 1: They almost always, They almost always are better. You can
22:38
Speaker 1: get into more places, you can, you can ship them,
22:41
Speaker 1: less expensive, they don't have as any complexities. You're not
22:46
Speaker 1: maintaining quite as much stuff. And it seems like you
22:49
Speaker 1: do a lot of the work on your own vehicle.
22:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, pretty much, ninety nine percent of it. There's
22:55
Speaker 2: only been a couple of times.
22:57
Speaker 1: I have Huh, how cool is that that you get
23:00
Speaker 1: to like work on your own machine.
23:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty cool. I mean I wanted to learn
23:05
Speaker 2: how to be self sufficient, and I definitely have, and
23:08
Speaker 2: some of it has been out of necessity, and some
23:12
Speaker 2: of it has been out of stubbornness. And yeah, it's
23:16
Speaker 2: really you know, I don't always enjoy having to fix things,
23:19
Speaker 2: but I'm always really proud of myself after I do.
23:22
Speaker 2: And so yeah, it's satisfying to know my vehicle so
23:26
Speaker 2: well and know how to fix everything well.
23:30
Speaker 1: And it keeps it keeps the cost down, and it
23:32
Speaker 1: allows you to use that vehicle for longer because you're
23:36
Speaker 1: able to meet But it does seem as if in
23:40
Speaker 1: your travels that it is your your little home away
23:44
Speaker 1: from home, and you've made it, You've made it your
23:47
Speaker 1: own and it's become something that's comfortable for you to
23:50
Speaker 1: spend time in.
23:51
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's my home. Is not even my home
23:55
Speaker 2: away from home, it's my home.
23:58
Speaker 1: Home on wheels. Yeah, so let's talk let's talk a
24:01
Speaker 1: little bit now that we've talked at home, let's talk
24:03
Speaker 1: a little bit about work. So a lot of times
24:07
Speaker 1: people that they want to understand a little bit about
24:10
Speaker 1: what it means to live and work on the road.
24:14
Speaker 1: So maybe give the listener a little bit of an
24:16
Speaker 1: overview of the things that you do for work that
24:19
Speaker 1: allow you to stay on the road.
24:22
Speaker 2: So, as of right now, I am a full time
24:24
Speaker 2: content creator. I also do one on one consulting with
24:27
Speaker 2: anybody that is interested in living on this road and
24:30
Speaker 2: they have questions, or people that have started living on
24:34
Speaker 2: the road and they're not doing so well and they
24:38
Speaker 2: need help. And then I also wrote a guide and
24:42
Speaker 2: I'm in the process of revamping that so that will
24:45
Speaker 2: be re released soon. But yeah, that's what I'm.
24:49
Speaker 1: Find How do people find the guidebook?
24:51
Speaker 2: Well, the guide isn't for sale yet because I'm I'm
24:53
Speaker 2: redoing it, so I took it. I took it off
24:56
Speaker 2: my website, but my one on one consulting is linked
24:59
Speaker 2: through any of my pages, but my Instagram page. You
25:04
Speaker 2: could probably find it the easiest, just a link in.
25:07
Speaker 1: Bio, and that's how someone could reach out to you
25:11
Speaker 1: and then pay you for consulting and support on you know,
25:15
Speaker 1: how to earn a living, how to be a content creator.
25:19
Speaker 1: Influencers at the kind of services that you're providing.
25:22
Speaker 2: So I don't find that people are typically reaching out
25:26
Speaker 2: to me for those reasons. They're more about how do
25:31
Speaker 2: I find camping? What am I going to do about
25:35
Speaker 2: like cell service? How do I feel safe? How can
25:37
Speaker 2: I make it more comfortable traveling? With my pets. It's
25:40
Speaker 2: more about like fears and concerns about living on the road.
25:44
Speaker 2: I actually just had a consult today and she was
25:47
Speaker 2: just feeling really stuck and not sure where to start.
25:49
Speaker 2: She had gotten an RV and she just didn't really
25:51
Speaker 2: know what her next step should be. And she's feeling
25:54
Speaker 2: kind of overwhelmed. And we talked about driving anxiety, and
25:59
Speaker 2: she's a little nervous to triboon docking. So I recommended
26:02
Speaker 2: to her some of these other camping options that that
26:05
Speaker 2: she could have that weren't going to like RB parks,
26:08
Speaker 2: and so just kind of like basically giving people the
26:12
Speaker 2: resources and answers to a lot of questions that they have.
26:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, that you've learned over a lot of travel, I mean,
26:21
Speaker 1: what an incredible what an incredible resource. Well, let's talk
26:26
Speaker 1: a little bit about the anxiety of traveling solo. What
26:30
Speaker 1: are maybe your top two, three, four or five things
26:34
Speaker 1: that you would share with someone that is feeling anxiety
26:38
Speaker 1: around driving a larger vehicle or finding a campsite. What
26:41
Speaker 1: are some of the things that you would you would
26:44
Speaker 1: give them general advice. Of course they can get more
26:47
Speaker 1: detail from you with a consult, but what are some
26:50
Speaker 1: of the higher level items.
26:51
Speaker 2: So my driving anxiety is actually not so much around
26:56
Speaker 2: like having a bigger vehicle as far as like my
27:00
Speaker 2: ability to pilot it. It's more about the fact that I,
27:06
Speaker 2: over the years, have had lots of different breakdowns and
27:09
Speaker 2: scenarios that have happened. That has really taught me that
27:13
Speaker 2: when I sit in that driver's seat, anything can happen.
27:18
Speaker 2: So I'm like yeah, and I'm like, all right, please
27:21
Speaker 2: just let me get to my destination without any trauma.
27:24
Speaker 2: And so that's a lot of what my anxiety is about.
27:27
Speaker 2: But I always I think a really good, like blanket
27:30
Speaker 2: thing to tell people is that when you see people
27:34
Speaker 2: living on the road or people that are sharing their
27:36
Speaker 2: lives online, you're not seeing a lot of the stress
27:43
Speaker 2: and the fear. And you know, people show their accomplishments
27:47
Speaker 2: and show what they're doing, but they're not always including
27:50
Speaker 2: that like, yes, they were brave and courageous, but they
27:53
Speaker 2: also were really scared while they were being brave and courageous.
27:57
Speaker 2: And so I think people should always remember that, like
28:04
Speaker 2: to do something that feels big or feels like a
28:08
Speaker 2: big change is out of your comfort zone, you're gonna
28:11
Speaker 2: be afraid. It's gonna be nerve wracking. There's just no
28:13
Speaker 2: way around that. So you have to be able to
28:16
Speaker 2: just push yourself through that fear and show yourself that
28:19
Speaker 2: you're capable and get on the other side of it.
28:22
Speaker 2: And then that's really where the confidence is built, by
28:24
Speaker 2: doing that over and over and over again, and eventually
28:27
Speaker 2: you can look back and you go, oh, look at
28:29
Speaker 2: all this stuff that I got through, I can get
28:32
Speaker 2: through this too.
28:34
Speaker 1: That's such wise advice. And we don't gain confidence until
28:39
Speaker 1: we gain experience, Yes, exactly. Anyone anyone that is confident
28:45
Speaker 1: without experience, that's just bravado, isn't it. It's not actually confident.
28:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, and usually they get a dosa reality. But yeah,
28:55
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like six and a half years
28:57
Speaker 2: I've been on the road and I'm still scared. I'm
28:59
Speaker 2: still getting myself into situations where I'm like, oh my god,
29:02
Speaker 2: what am I going to do? But I, you know,
29:05
Speaker 2: know that I can get on the other side of it,
29:08
Speaker 2: and so I think, I guess that's like my biggest
29:11
Speaker 2: advice is that just like be afraid and do it anyway.
29:15
Speaker 2: If you really want it, just do it afraid. Like
29:18
Speaker 2: that's really there's no other way around it.
29:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you've got to You've got to do it
29:23
Speaker 1: in order to work through those anxieties and fears. And
29:27
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more in my own travels, the mistakes
29:31
Speaker 1: that I've made, the times I've gotten stuck or really
29:34
Speaker 1: screwed something up, or or was afraid of what was
29:39
Speaker 1: going to happen, or if I was going to even
29:40
Speaker 1: make it to a destination, or if I was going
29:43
Speaker 1: to need to get rescued, or any number of things.
29:45
Speaker 1: And that's very much a part of it. And you're right,
29:48
Speaker 1: maybe maybe I can even do a better job of
29:51
Speaker 1: making sure people know that I feel that way often.
29:55
Speaker 2: So yeah, Yeah, And there's only so much preparing you
29:58
Speaker 2: can do, and people get stuck and the like, I
30:02
Speaker 2: want to plan for everything. I want to prepare. I
30:04
Speaker 2: want to know all the information before I do the
30:08
Speaker 2: thing that you're going to do. But you know, there's
30:11
Speaker 2: only so much of that that you can do before
30:13
Speaker 2: you're actually hindering yourself. And it's just kind of turning
30:15
Speaker 2: into excuses or reasons that you're holding yourself back and
30:19
Speaker 2: not actually pulling the trigger.
30:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes you just have to go and figure it
30:24
Speaker 1: out along the way a little bit with with the
30:26
Speaker 1: dose of a dose of preparation and maybe a conversation
30:30
Speaker 1: with someone like yourself that has so much experience for sure.
30:34
Speaker 1: So one of the other things that I wanted to
30:37
Speaker 1: talk to you about is that, like, what are some
30:40
Speaker 1: of your daily practices or things that you've done in
30:43
Speaker 1: the commander that does help you feel like you are
30:47
Speaker 1: in a sense of place in your home.
30:49
Speaker 2: I have made it very cozy in here. It is
30:53
Speaker 2: like I didn't shy away from having house plants. It
30:56
Speaker 2: is just the question that you mean, like, how did
30:58
Speaker 2: I make it feel like a home? Oh?
31:00
Speaker 1: Okay, exactly exactly.
31:01
Speaker 2: It's fun to make sure I was on the right
31:02
Speaker 2: track before I start launching into all my decor No,
31:07
Speaker 2: let's yeah, just like making making it feel cozy like
31:12
Speaker 2: you would a home, you know, like throw blankets and plants,
31:15
Speaker 2: and I have a full size queen in the back
31:18
Speaker 2: with a real mattress, and just using like warm tones
31:22
Speaker 2: and having fun with it. I think a lot of
31:24
Speaker 2: rbs come really kind of sterile, and and people are
31:29
Speaker 2: I don't know, they don't really like think you can
31:31
Speaker 2: hang things on the wall or and you totally can.
31:34
Speaker 2: I don't even really have to do that much. Before
31:36
Speaker 2: I'm ready to drive, I take down my hanging plants.
31:39
Speaker 2: But museum putty is a real trick. Have you heard
31:43
Speaker 2: a museum putty?
31:45
Speaker 1: Yes, that's awesome. Yeah.
31:47
Speaker 2: So things that are like out and on my counter
31:50
Speaker 2: or something, I just stick museum putty underneath it, and
31:53
Speaker 2: it and it rides and it doesn't go anywhere.
31:57
Speaker 1: That's such great, that's such great advice. And then it
32:00
Speaker 1: also you probably collect these little mementos and things from
32:05
Speaker 1: your memories along the way, and now you get to
32:07
Speaker 1: share them in your home.
32:08
Speaker 2: Yeah. I try not to do too much of that though,
32:11
Speaker 2: because I don't want to have too much clutter. It
32:14
Speaker 2: is a small space. So I feel like the more stuff,
32:18
Speaker 2: the more like suffocated I feel. So I try to
32:20
Speaker 2: try to be very picky and choosy with what I
32:24
Speaker 2: take in.
32:25
Speaker 1: You don't have like six hundred pounds of all the
32:28
Speaker 1: different rocks underneath somewhere in At.
32:31
Speaker 2: One point in time, I did have a little rock collection.
32:34
Speaker 2: And then I was like, I gotta, I gotta get
32:35
Speaker 2: rid of this. This is ridiculous.
32:37
Speaker 1: It's the rock collection. It's the same for me. It's like,
32:40
Speaker 1: and then I don't. I had to start taking a
32:42
Speaker 1: magic marker to like put some initials of where I
32:45
Speaker 1: found it. So I'm like, I don't remember where I
32:47
Speaker 1: even bought this thing.
32:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, it's real. It's a real nice practice
32:51
Speaker 2: to look at something and appreciate it and go, Okay,
32:53
Speaker 2: I'm gonna leave it here for somebody else to appreciate.
32:56
Speaker 2: And I think I don't know even to just get
32:59
Speaker 2: into this space, it says, I've always been kind of
33:01
Speaker 2: a collect like a collector and an appreciator of beautiful things,
33:06
Speaker 2: and so I kind of had to adapt that mentality
33:10
Speaker 2: to even fit into this rig to be like, Okay,
33:12
Speaker 2: I'm gonna like give it to somebody else to appreciate it.
33:15
Speaker 2: I appreciate it, and now I'm gonna let it go,
33:17
Speaker 2: And so that's carried on, that's carried with me into
33:19
Speaker 2: into here as well.
33:20
Speaker 1: It almost it almost seems like you've now transported yourself
33:25
Speaker 1: to these beautiful places and you're just collecting memories as
33:28
Speaker 1: opposed to things.
33:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, pictures, those always work. Yeah, to have a memory
33:35
Speaker 2: without a thing.
33:37
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Now you travel with your cat, people
33:41
Speaker 1: do travel a lot with dogs, Like is it a
33:44
Speaker 1: is it a like a super special kind of cat?
33:47
Speaker 1: Where it can. Like, I've not met many cats that
33:50
Speaker 1: are going to be okay with like cruising around the desert.
33:54
Speaker 2: So I actually started with two cats. My other cat
33:57
Speaker 2: was pretty old when we hit the road, and he
34:00
Speaker 2: passed away a few years ago. So now I just
34:02
Speaker 2: have the one kitty and they both acclimated pretty well.
34:07
Speaker 2: And I yeah, she's pretty special. She's a little bit
34:10
Speaker 2: like a dog. We go on walks together and she
34:13
Speaker 2: follows me around, and yeah, I keep a tracker on
34:16
Speaker 2: her collar, so I give her some freedom to wander,
34:19
Speaker 2: but if she's gone for more than like twenty minutes,
34:21
Speaker 2: I'm tracking her down because I'm a bit of a
34:23
Speaker 2: helicopter mom. But yeah, she's very happy kitty. She still
34:28
Speaker 2: doesn't love the driving part she probably never will, but
34:32
Speaker 2: she doesn't get sick and she doesn't really cry or complain.
34:35
Speaker 2: She I just made her a panic room, so when
34:37
Speaker 2: it's a drive day, she just goes into her panic
34:39
Speaker 2: room and waits there until it's over. But there's actually
34:44
Speaker 2: quite a few people on the road that have cats.
34:49
Speaker 1: Yeah that's cool. I mean, I mean you think of
34:52
Speaker 1: like a cat like a man coon or whatever. I
34:54
Speaker 1: guess they're a little more kind of tolerant of unusual
34:58
Speaker 1: situations and stuff. It sounds like the cat and the
35:01
Speaker 1: mom doesn't really like the drive days.
35:03
Speaker 2: So right, Yes, she is twelve percent me and coon,
35:07
Speaker 2: so maybe that's part of why she's so great. But yeah,
35:10
Speaker 2: I follow a lot of people on Instagram that travel
35:14
Speaker 2: with cats, and some people's cats seem even more chill
35:17
Speaker 2: than mine, where they'll like ride on the dash. I
35:19
Speaker 2: think a lot of truck drivers, like long distance, like
35:22
Speaker 2: semi truck drivers, have cats as well.
35:26
Speaker 1: I think this is a whole new set of research
35:28
Speaker 1: I need to do. I was not aware. Yeah, I
35:33
Speaker 1: was not aware. It just seems like that would be
35:35
Speaker 1: really complicated. But maybe that's been my experience with cats.
35:38
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I think with any animal, you have
35:41
Speaker 2: to be patient and you have to train them. And
35:44
Speaker 2: I certainly didn't force her into situations that were uncomfortable
35:48
Speaker 2: with her right away. We moved into my rig and
35:52
Speaker 2: stayed in here for two weeks before we even started driving,
35:55
Speaker 2: just so she could get used to it as her
35:56
Speaker 2: new house. Yeah. And then and then we keep driving
36:00
Speaker 2: down to a minimum, because, like you said, neither one
36:02
Speaker 2: of us like that part. And yeah, other than that,
36:05
Speaker 2: she she didn't. She wasn't super interested in going outside
36:08
Speaker 2: at first, but that's something that has done a complete
36:10
Speaker 2: one eighty and now she can't wait to get outside
36:13
Speaker 2: every morning, and it's climbing trees and sometimes she goes
36:18
Speaker 2: Paddy outside, which is nice. Yeah, but yeah, she has
36:24
Speaker 2: her own little old chair for my patio. I put
36:27
Speaker 2: the chair out for her and she hops in her
36:28
Speaker 2: chair and takes a nap in the sun, and she's
36:31
Speaker 2: living life.
36:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, living her best cat life. So she is now.
36:36
Speaker 1: You talk a little bit on your channel about traveling solo.
36:40
Speaker 1: What are some tips that you would give to other
36:44
Speaker 1: solo travelers to help them feel more comfortable about going
36:49
Speaker 1: out there and exploring alone.
36:52
Speaker 2: I think if you're concerned about it, because we all
36:56
Speaker 2: have our different backgrounds, right, and different experiences. And something
36:59
Speaker 2: I hear from people a lot is that they're more
37:03
Speaker 2: nervous to be boondocking than to be staying in campgrounds
37:06
Speaker 2: and stuff. And I've actually found it to be the
37:08
Speaker 2: opposite for me. When I'm in parking lots or when
37:11
Speaker 2: I'm around a lot of people, I feel like my
37:14
Speaker 2: guard is up more and I'm like, what are they doing?
37:17
Speaker 2: What's going on? So I have found that when I'm
37:20
Speaker 2: out in nature and there's just like a few peeper
37:22
Speaker 2: people peppered around out there, and I don't you know,
37:25
Speaker 2: I am not worrying as much because it's it's people
37:29
Speaker 2: typically that people have to worry about. Yeah, so if
37:34
Speaker 2: you go places where there's less people, you have less worries. Right,
37:37
Speaker 2: But I also have I share my location with my mom,
37:42
Speaker 2: so having a location sharing app is always good, and
37:45
Speaker 2: you can just do that right through Google Apps. You
37:47
Speaker 2: don't even have to have anything special having check ins
37:50
Speaker 2: with people. I don't typically spend a ton of time
37:54
Speaker 2: outside once it's gotten dark. When I'm inside my rig,
37:57
Speaker 2: I usually lock the door. I always have two chairs
38:01
Speaker 2: out instead of one. I have a motion light right.
38:04
Speaker 1: At my front. I was going to ask about that.
38:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, so somebody came up to my rig, I have
38:10
Speaker 2: a motion light. I would never tell anybody what kind
38:13
Speaker 2: of self defense weapons they should or should not have,
38:16
Speaker 2: but it's a good idea to think about having accessible
38:19
Speaker 2: outside of your rig as well. So you know, we
38:23
Speaker 2: have them inside in a spot where you can access them.
38:26
Speaker 2: But when you're outside, if somebody approaches you, like with
38:29
Speaker 2: your head in the trunk or in a storage compartment
38:31
Speaker 2: or you know, somewhere. It's nice to have something within
38:34
Speaker 2: reach there as well. But overall, I feel like this
38:41
Speaker 2: my experience is that it's not as scary as the
38:45
Speaker 2: news would like you to think. Most people are pretty
38:48
Speaker 2: nice and I haven't had very many encounters. In my
38:54
Speaker 2: six and a half years. I've had three situations that
38:57
Speaker 2: I have felt unsafe in and two of them were
38:59
Speaker 2: in cities, So.
39:03
Speaker 1: That makes sense. So that's the first lesson, is to
39:06
Speaker 1: spend less time in cities.
39:08
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and two of them actually I was inside
39:11
Speaker 2: my rig and luckily had my door locked because both
39:15
Speaker 2: of them was a scenario when somebody tried to open
39:17
Speaker 2: my door and come in. So that's why I say
39:20
Speaker 2: lock your door when you're inside.
39:22
Speaker 1: And that's it's interesting for whatever reason when like because
39:27
Speaker 1: I traveled quite a bit in a scout camper on
39:29
Speaker 1: top of a pickup, and it's shocking how many times
39:33
Speaker 1: people think that they are at like an RV show
39:36
Speaker 1: and they're going to just check your want to I
39:40
Speaker 1: just want to see your camper, And it's like most
39:42
Speaker 1: of the time when they're trying to open the doors
39:45
Speaker 1: because they want to like look and see what it
39:47
Speaker 1: looks like and I'm like, hello, what are you doing?
39:50
Speaker 1: What are you doing?
39:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was not my scenario. Both times were unfriendly
39:57
Speaker 2: scenarios where I was One time, they, like I said,
40:00
Speaker 2: started having an exchange with somebody that was outside and
40:02
Speaker 2: he was yelling things at me about he was saying
40:06
Speaker 2: creepy stuff and so that was definitely a creepy situation.
40:09
Speaker 2: And then the other time was in Baja when we
40:12
Speaker 2: were parked in a city and somebody just opened the rig.
40:15
Speaker 2: I'm sure they wanted to rifle through stuff or whatever.
40:17
Speaker 2: But but yeah, both times were in the in the
40:21
Speaker 2: evening and at night when I was inside and luckily
40:24
Speaker 2: had the door locked. But yeah, I think, just you know,
40:29
Speaker 2: be responsible, don't get all messed up, like get super
40:34
Speaker 2: drunk and go stumbling around and watch your back. And
40:40
Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean, I think I think my overall
40:44
Speaker 2: experience has been most people are really really nice and
40:48
Speaker 2: really kind. I guess the last thing that I would
40:50
Speaker 2: say is always arrived to where you're gonna camp early
40:55
Speaker 2: enough in the day that you can leave if it
40:58
Speaker 2: feels sketchy and you don't feel like you know, it's
41:01
Speaker 2: too late and it's dark and you don't want to
41:02
Speaker 2: navigate out and you're like stuck staying somewhere you don't
41:04
Speaker 2: feel comfortable, and always go with a plan B Like
41:09
Speaker 2: I usually will pick a spot that I'm going and
41:11
Speaker 2: then I pick a secondary spot if the first spot
41:13
Speaker 2: doesn't work out. That way, I'm not feeling like overwhelmed
41:18
Speaker 2: or rushed trying to make decisions in the in the moment.
41:23
Speaker 1: And it does seem like that your vehicle would be
41:25
Speaker 1: if you were uncomfortable, you could get to the driver's
41:29
Speaker 1: seat without ever having to unlock the car. It seems
41:32
Speaker 1: like that's true. You can you can get right into
41:34
Speaker 1: the driver's seat and if you I mean you might
41:37
Speaker 1: lose your two chairs, but other than that you could
41:39
Speaker 1: get going. Yeah.
41:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is actually a point too. Is like if
41:43
Speaker 2: you cannot have things attached to your rig or have
41:47
Speaker 2: anything too close to where like worst case scenario, you
41:50
Speaker 2: need to make a quack escape. You're not like dragging
41:52
Speaker 2: your propane tank or running over your stuff in order
41:56
Speaker 2: to leave. So keeping like a tidy camp is also
42:00
Speaker 2: a good safety PRECAUSI.
42:03
Speaker 1: That just brought up a question. Do you do you
42:06
Speaker 1: use a composting toilet?
42:07
Speaker 2: I do?
42:10
Speaker 1: I think those are the best, Like, yeah, I did.
42:12
Speaker 1: I was not really aware of that until I got
42:15
Speaker 1: my Scout camper, and now I'm like, I would never
42:18
Speaker 1: have anything but that. In an rbcase, you can go
42:20
Speaker 1: weeks happen to worry about where am I gonna dump this?
42:24
Speaker 1: That way you could stay in the back country for
42:25
Speaker 1: so much longer.
42:27
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, so I've had the nature's head for the
42:29
Speaker 2: whole time that I've been on the road.
42:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was using. It was so it
42:34
Speaker 1: was perfect. It was just amazing, and you basically are
42:37
Speaker 1: making composts.
42:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that much for our audience.
42:44
Speaker 1: But it's like it I think. I think maybe it's like,
42:46
Speaker 1: once you've experienced one, you're like, I want to tell
42:48
Speaker 1: the whole world about how cool this toilet.
42:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, are you really like living on the
42:53
Speaker 2: road or camping if you're not talking about your bathroom habits?
42:57
Speaker 1: I don't know.
42:58
Speaker 2: It comes with the territory.
43:00
Speaker 1: It's like such a it's such a hack. It's such
43:02
Speaker 1: a hack. Though it feels like such a wind at
43:04
Speaker 1: those things.
43:05
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I've never had to deal with a black
43:07
Speaker 2: water tank, which is really great, and I think it
43:10
Speaker 2: also makes me right. My fresh water lasts so much longer.
43:13
Speaker 2: I can get my fifty gallons of fresh water to
43:16
Speaker 2: last a month.
43:19
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's a big deal. Yeah, that's a big deal.
43:24
Speaker 1: So then you do you typically use like a sponge
43:28
Speaker 1: to clean yourself up or do you do you have
43:30
Speaker 1: a shower or because I thought the spot like a
43:32
Speaker 1: sponger or a wet wipe is pretty nice.
43:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I do have a shower. But my hot
43:38
Speaker 2: water heater has been out a commission for a while,
43:40
Speaker 2: and honestly, when it was working, I didn't use it
43:43
Speaker 2: that much because I just don't like using my resources
43:46
Speaker 2: and that uses propane and then it uses more water,
43:48
Speaker 2: and I felt like I could be like, I could
43:51
Speaker 2: conserve my water better if I wasn't using my shower.
43:55
Speaker 2: So I use my shower stall actually frequently. I just
43:59
Speaker 2: don't use my whole showers set up a lot. I
44:02
Speaker 2: have like a little a little motorized pump that drops
44:06
Speaker 2: into this five gallon bucket of water, and I just
44:08
Speaker 2: set the five gallon bucket of water out in the sun.
44:11
Speaker 1: And oh what eats it up?
44:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, let it warm up so it's not super freezing cold,
44:16
Speaker 2: and then hopefully this is not too grow dusque. But
44:21
Speaker 2: pit's tits and slits, you know.
44:27
Speaker 1: And there's that new there's that new one too that's
44:29
Speaker 1: like called geyser or something like that. And it it
44:32
Speaker 1: just uses a and it does heat up the water
44:35
Speaker 1: a little bit. And it's amazing how just being able
44:38
Speaker 1: to clean up a little bit. It just it does
44:41
Speaker 1: allow you to sit in the back country for especially
44:43
Speaker 1: if you like to be active, which I like to
44:46
Speaker 1: be active when I'm out in the back country. I
44:47
Speaker 1: like to hike and all the other stuff. And you
44:51
Speaker 1: clean up at the end of the day a little bit.
44:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's amazing just washing. Yeah, and just washing
44:57
Speaker 2: your hair and the sink makes you feel like a
44:59
Speaker 2: new person.
45:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have that.
45:02
Speaker 2: Oh you know the problem. So do you conserve even
45:06
Speaker 2: more water?
45:08
Speaker 1: That's right, yeah, exactly exactly. Oh well that those are
45:11
Speaker 1: all like it's so funny when you talk about that
45:13
Speaker 1: stuff because it is also the reality of travel exactly,
45:18
Speaker 1: Like how do you solve the bathroom problem? Then you
45:21
Speaker 1: figure out like, oh, it's really the compost toilet that
45:23
Speaker 1: makes it work, and then you figure like how do
45:26
Speaker 1: you conserve water? And things like a sponge bath is like, yes,
45:30
Speaker 1: I mean, I bet you humans had to have been
45:32
Speaker 1: doing some version of a sponge bath forever because that's
45:35
Speaker 1: how you can serve water.
45:37
Speaker 2: Yeah. I've definitely talked about how infrequently I have real
45:41
Speaker 2: showers on the internet and people are either like totally
45:45
Speaker 2: horrified or they're like, yeah, there's nothing wrong with that.
45:49
Speaker 2: Like we we're like overly clean. We've been kind of
45:53
Speaker 2: taught that we have to be showering every day and
45:54
Speaker 2: that's actually not good for your skin biome and like,
45:58
Speaker 2: but I think it takes them getting used to. For
46:00
Speaker 2: people that, you know, if they're used to showering every day,
46:03
Speaker 2: their knee jerk reaction is like, oh, it's gross. But
46:06
Speaker 2: nobody's ever told me that I smell and I definitely
46:11
Speaker 2: stay clean, and then when I have my real, proper shower,
46:16
Speaker 2: it feels like a spot day. So I love it.
46:20
Speaker 1: That's perfect.
46:21
Speaker 2: It makes you enjoy the simple things in.
46:23
Speaker 1: Life, right, It is funny how that works. Or I mean,
46:29
Speaker 1: do you have like a daily ritual? Is coffee part
46:31
Speaker 1: of your ritual each day or tea or something like that.
46:35
Speaker 2: I do have tea every morning. I quit coffee last summer,
46:38
Speaker 2: which is wow. Yeah, so I'm a full I mean
46:42
Speaker 2: it was it was actually in an effort to try
46:47
Speaker 2: and tamper down the anxiety, because since I'm more of
46:51
Speaker 2: an anxious person, I would drink coffee in the morning
46:53
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I feel like this ramps up my
46:54
Speaker 2: anxiety every day, and so I but you know, like
46:58
Speaker 2: most people, I was addicted to it, and it was
47:00
Speaker 2: a ritual, and so I started switching to just doing
47:03
Speaker 2: like half dey calf and then eventually I started sebbing
47:06
Speaker 2: in green tea and now I just drink green tea
47:09
Speaker 2: in the morning and that amount of caffeine feels really
47:11
Speaker 2: nice and I don't feel like I'm tired.
47:14
Speaker 1: It's still a ritual, which is nice.
47:17
Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, I make coffee every morning and then
47:20
Speaker 2: me and the kiddy. Lately the routine has been tea
47:24
Speaker 2: and then Memu go outside and I swing in my
47:27
Speaker 2: hammock while she eats grass and that's that's it.
47:33
Speaker 1: And like, but isn't that incredible though, Is that by
47:37
Speaker 1: making those changes in your life and choosing to buy
47:42
Speaker 1: a vehicle you can afford and that you can maintain yourself,
47:46
Speaker 1: you now get to basically be on the equivalent of
47:48
Speaker 1: what everybody tries to do for vacation. Yeah, like every day.
47:53
Speaker 2: It's a life hack. I think a lot of people
47:58
Speaker 2: envy it and would like to live. But I also
48:01
Speaker 2: think there's a lot of people that, like you said,
48:04
Speaker 2: it can't really hack it because it isn't an easy life.
48:08
Speaker 2: It takes a lot of work, It is a lot
48:11
Speaker 2: more involved, and you have to really want it. You know,
48:15
Speaker 2: that kind of freedom isn't just like given to you.
48:18
Speaker 2: You have to you have to go out there and
48:21
Speaker 2: get it and then and then you just you can't
48:23
Speaker 2: have a shower every morning. So if you're willing to
48:27
Speaker 2: sacrifice that.
48:29
Speaker 1: That's so true. And I think one of the things
48:32
Speaker 1: that because I do interact a lot with influencers or
48:36
Speaker 1: influencers want to partner with our organization. And the one
48:40
Speaker 1: thing that I look for and that I noticed in
48:43
Speaker 1: your in your channel is that authenticity that you have.
48:47
Speaker 1: And if I can give people any advice when it
48:51
Speaker 1: comes to trying to make a living as a content
48:54
Speaker 1: creator or as an influencer, it's like, be true to
48:57
Speaker 1: who you are and you will find a tribe, a
49:00
Speaker 1: tribe that wants to hear your story. It's the people
49:03
Speaker 1: that are making it all up or or trying to
49:07
Speaker 1: make it look glamorous. I don't think it's sustainable. I
49:10
Speaker 1: think a lot of them burn out. They either spend
49:12
Speaker 1: all their money, they mask the credit cards out, or
49:14
Speaker 1: or they lose that one nucrative sponsorship and they're done.
49:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, those glamorous, insta worthy moments are absolutely in there,
49:24
Speaker 2: but they are in between a whole lot of real life.
49:28
Speaker 2: This is real life like any other life, and there's
49:30
Speaker 2: ups and downs and this this lifestyle is not nearly
49:34
Speaker 2: as convenient as most people's lifestyles. So you're dealing with
49:39
Speaker 2: like making a lot of decisions. A lot of people
49:42
Speaker 2: get decision making fatigue. You know, you figure out where
49:44
Speaker 2: I throw my trash, where do I get fresh water?
49:46
Speaker 2: Where can I go grab that shower? Where am I
49:48
Speaker 2: gonna camp next? What's that look like? You know? Just
49:52
Speaker 2: where are groceries? Where's the laundromat in the town. You know,
49:54
Speaker 2: you're just constantly I think people, you know, you get
49:58
Speaker 2: that sort of experience when you're travel just like on
50:01
Speaker 2: a normal vacation. But so if you imagine that like sustained,
50:06
Speaker 2: it can be quite tiring, which is another reason why
50:10
Speaker 2: I choose to do this slowly. So those decisions are
50:13
Speaker 2: more spread out, and I don't feel that fatigue as often,
50:17
Speaker 2: and I could.
50:17
Speaker 1: The content that you create, I mean, for those that
50:22
Speaker 1: go and look at your channel, there's an enormous amount
50:25
Speaker 1: of work that goes into that, and I don't think
50:28
Speaker 1: people ever really realize because you have these little, you know,
50:32
Speaker 1: call them a minute or ninety second stories that you're sharing,
50:37
Speaker 1: they have to take you, they have to take you
50:39
Speaker 1: days to produce because they're they're really good. They're really
50:42
Speaker 1: good pikes.
50:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, content creation is very time consuming, and yeah, like
50:49
Speaker 2: with anything, you don't really know what goes into it
50:50
Speaker 2: until you start doing it. But it does always look
50:54
Speaker 2: very easy when on the consumer end you're like, oh,
50:57
Speaker 2: that was just like a minute, Like how long could
50:59
Speaker 2: that actually somebody to make? But yeah, if you factor
51:02
Speaker 2: in all the time that you're actually recording the footage
51:06
Speaker 2: and then all of the editing that goes in and
51:07
Speaker 2: then slu song selection and caption writing and all of
51:11
Speaker 2: that stuff is it's very time consuming. But for me,
51:15
Speaker 2: it's been so amazing that I've been able to turn
51:18
Speaker 2: that into my full time job because it aligns with
51:22
Speaker 2: me very well. I've always been a creative person. I've
51:25
Speaker 2: always Initially I was loving photography and writing, and now
51:29
Speaker 2: that's kind of transformed more into videography. I still love
51:32
Speaker 2: the writing portion, although people are reading captions less and less,
51:36
Speaker 2: but I do feel like it's a nice way that
51:39
Speaker 2: I can express myself creatively. And then the fact that
51:43
Speaker 2: I can turn that into being able to partner with
51:48
Speaker 2: companies that align with me and to tell people about
51:52
Speaker 2: products that I believe in. It's just it's amazing. I
51:54
Speaker 2: really I can't complains.
51:57
Speaker 1: What's one of the partnerships that you're most proud of
52:00
Speaker 1: you've been working with recently?
52:03
Speaker 2: Well, there's a few. So I've been partnered with Jackrie
52:06
Speaker 2: for probably like a year and three months, maybe a
52:11
Speaker 2: year and a half at this point, and I mean
52:14
Speaker 2: that's just a partnership that aligns so perfectly. I use
52:17
Speaker 2: my Jaquerrie all the time. I think it's such an
52:20
Speaker 2: amazing solution for people that want to get solar and
52:23
Speaker 2: they're really like overwhelmed by all the different products or
52:27
Speaker 2: bits and pieces that you have to pick out to
52:29
Speaker 2: make solar work. Yeah, you get Jackerine. It's taken care
52:35
Speaker 2: of and it's all like good quality stuff. So I
52:37
Speaker 2: think it's a really good solution for people in this lifestyle.
52:40
Speaker 2: And yeah, they've just been really great to partner with. Recently,
52:46
Speaker 2: I partnered with Todeing Co. Which is like a sustainable
52:49
Speaker 2: clothing company, and I've been wearing those clothes their clothes
52:53
Speaker 2: for a few years and was already a fan, but
52:56
Speaker 2: getting to partner with them was really exciting because I
52:59
Speaker 2: learned more of about just like the initiatives that they have.
53:02
Speaker 2: They do the one percent back for the planet, and
53:06
Speaker 2: right now they just release some T shirts that are
53:08
Speaker 2: like giving twenty percent back to outdoor featured nonprofits and
53:14
Speaker 2: trying to establish equity and the outdoors and so just
53:18
Speaker 2: companies like you know that get me really excited that
53:20
Speaker 2: that align with my values, and yeah, it's really cool.
53:23
Speaker 2: I'm very picky with who I who I work with
53:27
Speaker 2: because I don't want to ever be just like trying
53:31
Speaker 2: to push products or you know. I feel like my
53:34
Speaker 2: audience trusts me, and I never want to take that
53:36
Speaker 2: for granted and I respect our relationship, so I try
53:40
Speaker 2: to just the company way to do it.
53:43
Speaker 1: The easiest way to do it is to work with
53:44
Speaker 1: high quality brands and then you're not have to make
53:47
Speaker 1: excuses for something that isn't working for people, right, No,
53:51
Speaker 1: that's such And another question, what about your life or
53:58
Speaker 1: your channels and everything else like that? Do you wish
54:01
Speaker 1: that people knew that they understood about you and about
54:05
Speaker 1: what you have to? Like? What are the challenges that
54:07
Speaker 1: you wish people understood? And maybe it's like being gentle
54:10
Speaker 1: in the comments, maybe it's other things like that, But
54:13
Speaker 1: what what do you wish people knew a little bit
54:15
Speaker 1: more about? As consumers of content? How do you wish
54:18
Speaker 1: that people would be more open?
54:21
Speaker 2: I think you already touched on it on how time
54:24
Speaker 2: consuming it actually is. For for a long time, I
54:28
Speaker 2: think the climate has kind of changed, but being an
54:31
Speaker 2: influencer or content creator was really kind of, i don't know,
54:38
Speaker 2: made fun of or like, oh, that's not a real job,
54:41
Speaker 2: and oh it must be so hard. You just post
54:43
Speaker 2: pictures of yourself on the internet and then you make
54:45
Speaker 2: a ton of money, you know, like just kind of
54:47
Speaker 2: downplayed and disregarded. And I think it's changing a bit,
54:52
Speaker 2: but I think it's it's nice. It would be nice
54:57
Speaker 2: if people understood how much effort and time time I
55:01
Speaker 2: put into what I am giving them, and that I'm
55:06
Speaker 2: just one person and I do my best to try
55:09
Speaker 2: to apply to as many comments and as many dms
55:13
Speaker 2: as I can, but I don't I don't have enough
55:16
Speaker 2: time in the day. And yeah, I mean, I'm hoping
55:21
Speaker 2: to try and get to a point where I am
55:25
Speaker 2: earning enough money that I could hire somebody to do
55:27
Speaker 2: some take some things off my plate and so I
55:29
Speaker 2: could have more time for other things. But yeah, I
55:33
Speaker 2: think I think just understanding that that it is very,
55:39
Speaker 2: very time consuming. It is a lot of work. This
55:41
Speaker 2: is the hardest job and the hardest I've ever worked
55:45
Speaker 2: in my whole life. There's like a whole business side
55:49
Speaker 2: of being a content creator that people don't see. There's like,
55:53
Speaker 2: you know, all the emailing and the negotiating and the
55:56
Speaker 2: reading the contracts and pitching myself.
56:01
Speaker 1: What's that and hopefully getting paid getting paid.
56:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And so there's just it's it is. It
56:08
Speaker 2: is a real job, and it is and it is
56:11
Speaker 2: a business. And yeah, so I guess just just understanding
56:15
Speaker 2: it and more as like the understanding the big picture
56:18
Speaker 2: of what I do. But I feel like most of
56:21
Speaker 2: my followers are really appreciative and understanding and are are
56:26
Speaker 2: really great and supportive. And I have a really amazing
56:29
Speaker 2: community online, so I really don't have not many complaints.
56:33
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57:37
Speaker 1: like that your followers come to your aid if someone's
57:40
Speaker 1: being snarky in the comments or whatever.
57:43
Speaker 2: Totally, but I would like to amend what I just
57:45
Speaker 2: said with I think part of that could be because
57:48
Speaker 2: on Instagram, in particular, I have a feature setup that
57:52
Speaker 2: only lets people that follow me comment, and so I
57:55
Speaker 2: think I avoid a lot of the trolling because of that.
57:59
Speaker 2: Because on Facebook it's like a whole different beast. I
58:02
Speaker 2: don't have that control feature on Facebook, and if something
58:06
Speaker 2: does well and kind of gets spit out to a
58:09
Speaker 2: bigger audience, oh boy, is it a nasty place to be?
58:13
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sorry, Yeah, it's challenging how that happens. Yeah,
58:18
Speaker 1: I've kind of done a little bit more of the
58:20
Speaker 1: post and ghosts so that way you just don't interact
58:24
Speaker 1: so much with the negative comments. It can be pretty
58:28
Speaker 1: challenging for sure.
58:29
Speaker 2: Yeah.
58:29
Speaker 1: So the last question that I've got for you is
58:33
Speaker 1: if if you were to give some advice to yourself
58:36
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, if you could go back in time,
58:41
Speaker 1: what would be or if someone's getting new to this,
58:44
Speaker 1: what's a couple key pieces of advice that you would
58:46
Speaker 1: give to someone who is getting ready to go out
58:48
Speaker 1: and have a life on the road.
58:50
Speaker 2: Okay, so first off, you can't tell me nothing. So
58:53
Speaker 2: if I was trying to give I was trying to
58:56
Speaker 2: give twenty sixteen me advice unless I was asking for it,
59:00
Speaker 2: not be listening.
59:01
Speaker 1: But that's the challenge.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So if twenty sixteen was actually me, was actually
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Speaker 2: open to listening to the advice, I would tell her,
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Speaker 2: maybe you should spend a little time getting the mechanics
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Speaker 2: sorted before you hit the road. That would that would
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Speaker 2: save you a lot of stress, because I feel like
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Speaker 2: I definitely should have done that. I should have spent
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Speaker 2: some time. I mean, I didn't do anything. I did
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Speaker 2: an oil change and I replaced the distributor cap and rotor.
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Speaker 2: I don't know why I did that, and not like
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Speaker 2: I didn't do spark plugs. I didn't like wash the radiator.
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Speaker 2: I didn't check the transmission fluid. I just like I
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Speaker 2: hit the road without really doing anything. I blew a tire.
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Speaker 2: I was on like ten year old tires in the
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Speaker 2: back of one when I was just like, I think
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Speaker 2: I was not even a weekend. I blew a tire,
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Speaker 2: and so I I think I should have probably spent
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Speaker 2: a little more time checking out the mechanics before I
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Speaker 2: just launched myself.
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Speaker 1: That's great advice. That's great advice. Well, Jesse, thank you
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Speaker 1: so much for being an inspiration to say, it's been
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Speaker 1: great to see your progress in your story, and it's
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Speaker 1: wonderful to see how your community interacts with you. I
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Speaker 1: have no doubt that you've inspired so many people to
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Speaker 1: take off and do their own solo adventure. So how
1:00:31
Speaker 1: do people find out about you? Obviously slow Roamer on Instagram?
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Speaker 1: But is it give us all the handles? How do
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Speaker 1: people follow what you're doing?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so slow Roamer on Instagram that is where I
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Speaker 2: am most active by far. I am slow underscore Roamer
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Speaker 2: on TikTok and then on Facebook. I believe it's slow
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Speaker 2: Roamer just playing slow Roamer there too, But yeah, I
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Speaker 2: spend most of the time on Instagram, so that will
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Speaker 2: be where you'll find me the most.
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Speaker 1: You have a YouTube channel as well, or is that
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Speaker 1: something yet?
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Speaker 2: It's in here, it's working its way out, but I
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Speaker 2: got Yeah, I gotta figure out how to have the
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Speaker 2: time to invest in yet another platform.
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Speaker 1: So it's so difficult, it really is. To have the
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Speaker 1: conversation with you. Good luck with all of your adventures,
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Speaker 1: good luck with your commander and your kitty, and maybe
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Speaker 1: we'll check back in with you in a few years
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Speaker 1: when you are traveling down the length of the Americas.
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Speaker 2: Oh, thanks Scott. Thanks for having me on the podcast.
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Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
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Speaker 1: You're so welcome.