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- 0:00Yeah, the news delivery from Gamescom has been a massive
- 0:05casserole of nonsense. It's been so scattered and
- 0:08difficult to track things down. There's live footage like
- 0:12fireside chats on stage that just don't exist anymore.
- 0:16They were live streamed and the Vods are gone and you can't find
- 0:19them. It's just wild.
- 0:21I don't understand. Maybe.
- 0:24Anyway, I was going to say something snarky about layoffs.
- 0:27I'm not going to do that. It's just been very difficult to
- 0:29get news from games.com For Lauderon.
- 0:32For the Karen tour. For Pandaria.
- 0:39For calendar to. The burning region for Gilnaeus,
- 0:44but has not died for the Lich King, for the Cindori.
- 0:52For the Alliance for. The Horn for Azeroth.
- 0:58Hello and welcome back to another episode of For Azeroth.
- 1:02I am one of your hosts, Manny, AKA the true villain.
- 1:05Manny and I am joined by both Lex and Sean.
- 1:09Hello Lex, how are you and how's the World of Warcraft been
- 1:12treating you this week? It has been treating me well.
- 1:16So we are diving into heroic with my raid team tomorrow.
- 1:19So I'm very, very excited and I'm doing some keys, pretty low
- 1:23level keys, but I am getting kind of my feet wet back in
- 1:25tanking. And I'm realizing that I have a
- 1:27lot more fun when I take things very slowly and I stay kind of
- 1:30low and mostly focus on having a good time and not stressing out
- 1:33too much. So I'm having a great time And
- 1:35also, you know, I get the the new sport of trying to read fast
- 1:41enough that I can get all of the midnight information.
- 1:45Oh yeah, yeah, it has been a pretty crazy week in terms of
- 1:49like not only the amount of info but all the different places it
- 1:52has been coming from. So we are going to be giving you
- 1:56a recap of some of the stuff. But even still, we can't do it
- 2:00justice if we try and cover it all in this one episode.
- 2:04So bringing in from the expert analysis of race World First, we
- 2:12have Sean. Hello Sean, and welcome back to
- 2:15Regular Life. Hey Manny, did you know that
- 2:19there's a world outside of my office?
- 2:22Yeah, you want to get it first, that's what the race.
- 2:24Yeah, whole. World out there, Yeah, it's good
- 2:27to be back. Race the world first 12 days.
- 2:31I had the second most casting hours, I think for Team Method
- 2:34in that 12 days. It was a lot, lot of talking
- 2:38about Warcraft and the same bosses over and over again.
- 2:41But we had fun and the race is over now.
- 2:44Probably the most exciting race I've ever seen.
- 2:47And the ending was like storybook ending.
- 2:52It was crazy. Disney hasn't been couldn't
- 2:54write a movie this good. Yeah, they honestly, let's talk
- 2:58about that because that was basically a photo finished.
- 3:01John, tell us what in the world happened with the last day of
- 3:06race, the world first? Yeah, so it was Saturday in
- 3:10North America and EU and Liquid was on the last boss, Echo was
- 3:18on the last boss, and Method was on the last boss.
- 3:21Liquid and Echo had both had sub 20% best, Method had a sub 35%
- 3:27best bowl. Echo woke up that morning first
- 3:31because you get to get up first and they started blasting and
- 3:34they very quickly had a sub 5% wipe.
- 3:38And then it was like everybody across the globe was like, this
- 3:41boss is dying today. And it was basically known Echo
- 3:44can't go to bed until his boss attack is going to bed as
- 3:46conceding defeat. Echo woke up, Sorry, Liquid woke
- 3:49up, started doing the same thing.
- 3:51They're blasting. And method was also making
- 3:53really good progress on Saturday.
- 3:55But they were far enough behind. They were just outside of the
- 3:57other two teams that we we didn't expect that they were
- 4:00really competing for first, but that they might be competing for
- 4:02second. So the day is going on and it's
- 4:07it's like literally pull for pull new best for Echo, new best
- 4:09for Liquid, new bad. Like watching the, the the top
- 4:12spot flip back and forth between them and then Liquid hits a bad
- 4:17stretch. So it's around.
- 4:19It would have been around like midnight in the EU.
- 4:23And method goes to bed. Method says, listen, we're not
- 4:26killing this boss tonight. We're going to get up in the
- 4:27morning and maybe try and snake out a pull out a world second
- 4:32kill. Echo says we're not, we can't,
- 4:34we can't go to bed. So liquid hits this bad stretch
- 4:36where they were wiping really really badly not not getting
- 4:39good pulls. In P3 Echo has a sub 1% wipe,
- 4:44.58% wipe, Then the very next poll they have a .31% wipe and
- 4:51they had had one player who was dead for long enough that it
- 4:54would have been the kill liquid. When that finishes, Liquid has
- 5:00back-to-back wipes in P1. It's now like 2:00 AM and EU
- 5:06Echo is still pulling liquid. Like I said, Liquid has
- 5:09back-to-back P1 wipes and then they go on a lunch break and
- 5:13people are like, you're going on a lunch break method and Echo is
- 5:15so close. This is crazy.
- 5:17I can't believe you're going to lunch break.
- 5:18They come back from the lunch break.
- 5:21Sorry, I had that wrong. They won in the lunch break,
- 5:22came back from the lunch break, had the 2 back-to-back P1 wipes,
- 5:26and then after that, the very next pull, they killed the boss.
- 5:31It's like it's like 2:00 AM, just about 2:00 AM in in in in
- 5:34Europe, Echo suddenly just drained.
- 5:37They had been fighting so hard to the end.
- 5:40Liquid pulls with the wind, but it's not just a win, it's a 3
- 5:43peat. So it's back-to-back to back in
- 5:46Warcraft that hasn't been done in a very long time and it's the
- 5:48first ever full sweep of an expansion.
- 5:51Liquid took world first in all three of the raid tears is
- 5:54expansion the only so an asterisk on that in mist of
- 5:58Pandaria that paragon did take world first for all of the 10
- 6:03man raids. So that was technically the
- 6:05first sweep, but those those weren't widely considered The
- 6:10the, the, you know that the top. Is 25 was the higher, yeah.
- 6:15So anyway, super exciting. Echo stayed up to try and get
- 6:18the kill afterwards for about another hour.
- 6:20They couldn't. They went to bed, they woke up
- 6:22the next morning and when they woke up, Method was getting sub
- 6:2510% pulls. So now was a race for 2nd place.
- 6:28Echo did secure the 2nd place finish a couple of hours after
- 6:31they woke up on Sunday and then Method just a couple of hours
- 6:34later from them. So it's very exciting stuff that
- 6:37all three guilds killed it within 24 hours of each other,
- 6:40like within 12 hours of each other.
- 6:42And what I find really interesting is that time frame
- 6:46is about the time that North America had from the head start,
- 6:51from starting a day early. Now, if you ask Skype or Max or
- 6:57SCO or any of the people that are in in the actual race at the
- 7:01top, any of the Raiders, they're going to tell you the North
- 7:04America early start doesn't affect the race.
- 7:07If a boss takes some more poles, if it's a longer boss, if it's
- 7:10tougher, that stuff balances out.
- 7:12The the the head start isn't a big impact, but I don't know any
- 7:21competition on the planet we're having a head start doesn't have
- 7:26an impact. So I don't know, I desperately
- 7:30want to see a global release for the race to roll first because I
- 7:33just feel like these teams are all so incredibly close and the
- 7:38EU teams are perpetually having to play from behind.
- 7:42What do you think, Lex? What do I think?
- 7:45I have never actually watched. No, for like a a global release,
- 7:49like would you think that a global release would would be a
- 7:53difference maker or are you like saying well, it's go, it's go
- 7:56and the head guys say it then? I so my OK, again, I've not
- 8:03watched the race world first, so I am parroting what other people
- 8:05say to me. What I've heard a lot is that
- 8:09the flip side of that is that the people who run the bosses
- 8:12first have to spend all of this time learning it versus if you
- 8:15come in for 24 hours early, the early ones you can just kind of
- 8:18wipe out, right? Because you're like, Oh yeah,
- 8:21whatever, sick. We know this.
- 8:22We learned the Strat because we saw what the other teams were
- 8:25doing. Easy peasy lemon squeezy.
- 8:26We're moving forward. We're going through it and I
- 8:29say, I mean like also, I, I guess my again, my understanding
- 8:34is that like things like sleep schedules do kind of make it go
- 8:36back together. That said, I think we should
- 8:39have a global release. I don't know that it would
- 8:42change anything. I literally and again, I want to
- 8:45I want to asterisk because as you're going into the discord
- 8:47and you're typing blacks, you idiot or Sean, you're idiot.
- 8:50I'm pro global release. I think that it's it's silly
- 8:53that they don't release at the same time.
- 8:54I do think it's we were talking, I think it was last episode
- 8:57about how that puts a huge disadvantage on the China.
- 9:04China, yeah, I was trying to remember if that was what the
- 9:09region was called. But so I, I I think that it
- 9:16should be a global release. I really don't understand why
- 9:18it's not other than like, so you only release like you put one
- 9:22day. I think that's silly.
- 9:25I think you it's it's a server. You flip a switch, have all of
- 9:30your teams globally flip a switch at the same time.
- 9:32That doesn't seem hard to me because I also know coding and I
- 9:35understand how servers work. All of these are things that I
- 9:38really deeply understand. So yeah, it's it's easy.
- 9:41Just whoop, you're done. They have them for classic.
- 9:45Classic Wow has global releases of the right, so.
- 9:48Yeah, I I mean. Technology doesn't exist.
- 9:51Yeah, yeah, I, I, I think it should be global.
- 9:52I think it's silly. And The thing is that if it
- 9:54doesn't make a difference, then like people will stop
- 9:58complaining about it. No offense shot.
- 10:03So I am not an engineer, but having a having the servers of
- 10:12classic go live at the same time, which is a which is
- 10:17predominantly code that has been around for a significant period
- 10:20of time and has had way longer to work through issues is
- 10:24different than pushing pushing the latest codes that they do
- 10:28for untested bosses and so forth on to on to live servers.
- 10:34That said, I think the closest analog would be Final Fantasy,
- 10:38which we brought up the last time and we have since learned
- 10:41that Final Fantasy goes down for a couple of days when they move
- 10:44into different patches. So if you guys are fine with
- 10:48that so that they make sure that everything is far more stable,
- 10:51have the time to test it before things go live.
- 10:54I think that yeah, like as long as people don't start going like
- 10:58Blizzard, the servers have been down for more than a day.
- 11:00Give me a month free. I think that that would be OK.
- 11:05I've obviously the issue for it would be like, what time does it
- 11:10go live? Are we doing it in the middle of
- 11:14the work day for EU or NA or what time does that work out to
- 11:20Australia or if they do it in the the Chinese, Chinese servers
- 11:27as well, Chinese servers being completely separate from like
- 11:30Korean servers and Southeast Asian the servers which is a
- 11:33different region of the of itself.
- 11:36All of those are are things that it could be done.
- 11:40I just think that it is a matter of like how officially they're
- 11:44supporting the race to world first, because there's always
- 11:48going to be the question of advantage.
- 11:51There's always going to be where Lex, you were saying like, oh,
- 11:55these earlier bosses, they're often like cripping off each
- 11:58other's notes. And it's not until they go dark
- 12:00that like really it is like their, their, their progress.
- 12:06There's also the fact that like some of the teams that get to
- 12:09bosses first are doing the quote UN quote NA testing where
- 12:15there's a question of like, when do you push the hot fix?
- 12:19Are you waiting for echo to conclude it's rate day method to
- 12:23conclude it's rate day liquid to conclude their array day or go
- 12:27on lunch break to then push these hot fixes?
- 12:30Because that's the next hurdle there as well.
- 12:34So when exactly the the servers go live, when exactly the raid
- 12:41opens up or, or different questions as well as these hot
- 12:45fixes as well as all the different systems that people
- 12:49use the farm gear to go into these things.
- 12:52Because like let's say the servers go live independently of
- 12:56the raid going live. Both of those are now a factor
- 12:59as well, so it's definitely a more complicated question.
- 13:04Even if you don't take the technical ability of putting a
- 13:07server worldwide. Servers live synchronous at the
- 13:11synchronous times, with the same bug fixing of the team that
- 13:15first takes down any servers, then works on EU servers, then
- 13:19we're then it's a different team for Chinese service as far as
- 13:21I'm aware. One thing I will say with the
- 13:23Final Fantasy, first of all, I, I do think would actually kind
- 13:26of cool if servers were down for a couple days before release.
- 13:29Like you had like kind of this blackout and then all of a
- 13:32sudden it goes live and you all go live together and everyone's
- 13:34excited and social media is blowing up and it's the coolest
- 13:36thing that's ever happened. I think that be cool.
- 13:38That said, as somebody who doesn't play Final Fantasy a
- 13:40ton, the one thing that I've learned very, very deeply in my
- 13:44time of playing Final Fantasy is that the Final Fantasy team does
- 13:48not care about player experience.
- 13:50By which I mean like all of the little quality of life things.
- 13:53The fact that the Blizzard store is easy to navigate if you've
- 13:56never navigated the Final Fantasy Mughal store.
- 14:00Every time I've had to buy something there, I've wanted to
- 14:04throw my computer out the window.
- 14:07And then once when I was getting an expansion, literally like it
- 14:11wasn't, I didn't remember that I purchased on Steam instead of
- 14:14purchase directly through Final Fantasy.
- 14:16And so I bought the wrong code, which is insane.
- 14:19And I emailed their team and I was like hey I bought the wrong
- 14:21code can you guys just like refund it so I can buy the other
- 14:25one? It's unused.
- 14:26And they were like no buy 2 little things like that.
- 14:32I just, I'm not surprised. The Final Fantasy's team is
- 14:36like, oh, it would be much easier for us if we just shut
- 14:38down servers for a couple days. So we're going to shut down
- 14:40servers for a couple days, which is like, good for them.
- 14:42They deserve a good time. That's my little Final Fantasy
- 14:44right now. OK.
- 14:50I get. I think I'll give Sean the last
- 14:52word on this and then maybe we'll talk a little bit more
- 14:54about midnight stuff. Yeah.
- 14:56I mean, I don't really have a last word.
- 14:58I don't I don't buy that it's a logistical issue.
- 15:01They do expansion launches globally even though the code is
- 15:06older for a classic. Like of those rains still going
- 15:08live at the same time. Seasonal discovery rains went
- 15:11live at the same time. They're not old, they're new.
- 15:14Yeah, it's a choice they make. It's not it's not due to
- 15:17limitations, I don't think. Yeah, all of that stuff goes
- 15:22live at the same time. And the only if and they don't
- 15:24have to worry about China because Blizzard doesn't
- 15:27actually do the China stuff. It's all net ease.
- 15:29And there's actually some talk of China after this race moving
- 15:32their reset day ahead of day to Wednesday, which would be
- 15:37Tuesday here, so that they are on the same schedule so that
- 15:40they have a more fair shot because right now they currently
- 15:43reset on Thursday. I was going to say, that's super
- 15:46funny because isn't Nettie's the one that's running the whole
- 15:48bounty? And like, they could just be
- 15:49like, Oh yeah, the bounty's getting so big, you guys.
- 15:53It's so sad that. You just can't.
- 15:56Compete. Oh, shoot, yeah, it's pretty
- 16:00funny stuff. We'll see though.
- 16:01What happens. I mean, like I said, the the
- 16:03people actually doing the race, you know, every sound bite you
- 16:06get of them is them saying it doesn't matter.
- 16:08But if I just lost a race, I wouldn't want to sound like a
- 16:11bad loser. And if I just want to race
- 16:12because of head start, I also wouldn't want to sound like I
- 16:14won the race because of head start.
- 16:16So I would also probably say it doesn't matter.
- 16:20OK, but it's a head start no matter how you look at.
- 16:23But like the EU teams that have won in the past, we have seen
- 16:27multiple wins from Echo, which is the newest team method.
- 16:30Back in their day, we're getting getting wins that even when they
- 16:34won there weren't like, hey, we did it Despite that, like 16
- 16:37hours head start, yada yada. Yeah, well, no, they just played
- 16:41so much better than the North American teams.
- 16:44Your European players, your Europe has a larger player base
- 16:48and just therefore, because of that, they have a larger pool of
- 16:53skilled players to pull from. So that's why and North America
- 16:57just didn't have any competition until liquid really came along.
- 17:03I guess death and taxes was pretty good back in like, oh, if
- 17:05you go back way way. But since we're I'm I'm talking
- 17:08like in the modern day of the race, since it was started,
- 17:10started being streamed in in old year and I'm certain there's a
- 17:13BDGG fan listening who will come in and type BDGG, but they never
- 17:17really had a chance to compete against method at what time.
- 17:20Day is like pieces. Or does that kill a part of it?
- 17:24Yeah, pieces would be in there and they pieces won a world
- 17:27first on who not so they got on, but they're a European as well.
- 17:30And yeah, I mean for being honest, like 40% of Team Liquid
- 17:33played from the Netherlands because they're all European
- 17:35also. So I'm not I'm not standing
- 17:37North American players. I'm just saying there is a large
- 17:42pool of exceptionally skilled European players and they're all
- 17:45time zones are closer, so it's easier for them to sync up.
- 17:48Whereas North American players, you're on East Coast, you're in
- 17:50Central, you're on West Coast. It's harder to amalgamate those
- 17:53great, great players in A1 Guild.
- 17:55Liquid has done a really good job of recruiting and putting
- 17:57your team together. They absolutely deserve the win.
- 17:59I'm not trying to take that away from them, but I think even they
- 18:02would want to see, you know, a race happen at the same time.
- 18:05And just to address the, you know, the Oh well, they copy
- 18:08strats. Every one of those guilds
- 18:10already has their strats from the PTR.
- 18:12I interviewed Mary's a couple of months ago, maybe a year ago
- 18:15now. And I asked him flat out like,
- 18:17how much do you copy? And he said, we already have our
- 18:19strats for these bosses before you pull them.
- 18:21We will see what the other teams do.
- 18:23And if something like is exceptionally good, they'll
- 18:25they'll lift it. And that happened.
- 18:28This race method went on on forge.
- 18:30Weaver method had a a Strat that used rooting of the.
- 18:33They would root one set of the small ads and both the other
- 18:36team and they got there later and when the other team saw what
- 18:38they were doing afterwards, they started copying it.
- 18:42Mary said like he was like, it's we're not It's like, you know,
- 18:46some of the fans are like, oh, they don't even know.
- 18:48They wait till liquid tells them what to do is we're not going in
- 18:49there with no plan to take notes on liquid.
- 18:52They already and these early bosses, they already they've
- 18:54already killed them on PTR. So they already have strats that
- 18:57work. It's the later bosses and then
- 18:59there's not usually an advantage because whoever gets their first
- 19:01goes dark, who like every whatever team gets their first
- 19:03goes dark. So yeah, I don't think I was.
- 19:06Saying mostly it's like it's breakthroughs.
- 19:08It's like, Oh my goodness, they did this switch and suddenly
- 19:11like they're getting to phase three-way later.
- 19:13And then the other teams are like, OK, like we adopt that.
- 19:16I don't think that, yeah, any of these teams are going in blind
- 19:19or, or saying like, guys don't look at the Dojo, like we're not
- 19:22going to look at the dungeon journal to do it.
- 19:24So there, there's that. But.
- 19:26I have a hard time talking to North Americans about it because
- 19:29I find I just have a hard time talking to North Americans
- 19:34sometimes. It's just a different cultural
- 19:37mentality on this side of the Atlantic than there is in
- 19:40Europe. I find Lex is either frozen or
- 19:47or abhorred that I Oh Billy, it looks like she's.
- 19:52Tired of your North American smack?
- 19:53And she decided. And I'm North American, proudly
- 19:57Canadian. I just.
- 19:58I don't know. Yeah, you're so Far East coast
- 20:01you might get adopted by. Is that an option?
- 20:04Could I get an EU membership by being Will?
- 20:09Allow people to to vote on that in the Discord.
- 20:13But while we're waiting for Lex, let's dive into some of this
- 20:18midnight stuff. We again have a lot of
- 20:23information go coming out. So we're going to only cover
- 20:26some of the details this week. We will follow up and do and
- 20:31talk about some of the some of the other things.
- 20:33One of the the things that got fleshed out a lot more after
- 20:37last episode. We're actually like how you can
- 20:41play the new races and the new combinations and of course the
- 20:45new class. So let's talk about that.
- 20:48One of the big things, of course, is the hair in our race.
- 20:51That is something that ever since The War Within began,
- 20:55there has been a lot of people saying like, Oh yeah, next
- 20:59playable. This is the playable race, why
- 21:01don't we have it already? And Blizzard has now delivered.
- 21:05So these are going to be much like our Earthen friends where
- 21:10we will play through the campaign and that will unlock
- 21:13them because they were going to their homeland and we have to
- 21:20convince them to join the war. And of course, once you get to
- 21:22do that, hey, they're willing to sign up with our faction.
- 21:25So there it is. As we said last week, they are
- 21:29able to be warriors, shamans, hunters, monks, rogues, druids,
- 21:35priests, warlocks, and mages. That means that the only classes
- 21:39that they are missing, of course, are death Knights,
- 21:42paladins, evokers and demon hunters, which all sort of makes
- 21:48sense. I actually, I know monks, one of
- 21:50those Evergreen classes that everybody gets, but I think they
- 21:54could have skipped monk and it would have been a thing.
- 21:56Like. I think that would have been
- 21:57like a That's cool. Yeah.
- 22:00Because Heronar and this entire world saga is being built out, a
- 22:07lot of the customizations are actually in the files for the
- 22:11war within and some community sites have like dug into that to
- 22:16show customizations to show what could be heritage armour and all
- 22:20of that. This is a these are pretty cool
- 22:23customizations. They are of course, the what are
- 22:27we calling them? The missing link between trolls
- 22:30and and else. Yeah, I guess so.
- 22:34They're not quite troll, not quite elf.
- 22:38They can have tusks, but they also wear shoes.
- 22:42But I think they have the option to not wear shoes as well.
- 22:45So yeah, they're like, yeah, a hybrid.
- 22:50Yeah, they can be just like the Urban Horde or Alliance.
- 22:54So you can. So regardless of your faction,
- 22:56you'll be able to play these. That's something that's going to
- 23:00be good before we get here in our before we even get into
- 23:03midnight Void Elf Demon hunters are going to be available.
- 23:08Supposedly with patch 11 point 2.7 you'll be able to unlock
- 23:14them now. It said that it's available
- 23:17there, but we also saw an interview that said that it is
- 23:20during the pre patch, which would be the 12 point O.
- 23:23I'm more likely to believe pre patch but if they get it to us
- 23:26sooner I'd be happier for that. Me as well, I just want to go
- 23:29back to Heron here for a second. We because we got confirmation
- 23:32on what their ratios are. There was only one person in an
- 23:36interview that asked all of the interviews they had with the
- 23:38developers. A single person asked what the
- 23:41ratios were. They have one that is an active
- 23:43ability that will either root enemies or it will heal allies.
- 23:48So it's a root or heel. And then they also get a fast
- 23:51travel using the world tree roots.
- 23:54So very similar to the mole machines from dark iron dwarves.
- 23:58So those are two of their their ratios that are coming which the
- 24:02rooting and like the the extra root and the heel could be
- 24:06really nice, especially since they can be druids.
- 24:08I'm not super keen on the fast travel because those tend to be
- 24:12gimmicky things that they add on one expansion for a couple of
- 24:16zones and then get fallen off to the wayside.
- 24:18Much like mole machines, which in my opinion should have had
- 24:21some spots in Undermine or Beeps or anywhere underground, you
- 24:26know. But yeah, I think I want to know
- 24:30land. There is a mole machine in Ole
- 24:32land. I don't know how that works
- 24:34contextually. But OK.
- 24:37Yeah, exactly. The wonderful thing is those
- 24:41mole machines. I just wanted to go make sure we
- 24:44covered that off on Arity. Yeah, no, I'm glad I I missed
- 24:47that. And again, there's a lot of
- 24:50information that is out there. I, I always don't think that the
- 24:56healing racials will ever be that good because they always
- 25:01water them down so that they're never good.
- 25:04The change that they did with the Drni healing, just in my
- 25:11mind, that was a nail in the coffin.
- 25:12Just give me like a little bit of damage.
- 25:15I guess the utility of the roots is it might be something, but
- 25:18how often does that matter in a raid?
- 25:21So I'm basically looking at that for Mythic Plus.
- 25:26Yeah, OK. But as you said, going back to
- 25:30demon Demon Hunter, the void elf that's going to be available as
- 25:36a short storyline that you'll be able to do so that will allow
- 25:42you access to demon hunters as a void elf.
- 25:44The new spec are devourer spec that's going to be available
- 25:50without a storyline. If you are a Demon Hunter
- 25:54already, you don't have to suddenly be like, OK, now I've
- 25:56got to learn this new thing. And that is looking pretty,
- 26:01pretty cool. Like have you seen the little
- 26:05video where they did a short showing is showing these
- 26:08abilities? Yeah, yeah, I have.
- 26:14I think it'll be neat. I guess it's a new spec, so it's
- 26:17going to be broken and overpowered.
- 26:21Will it be fun? Well, everybody likes when their
- 26:23damage numbers are high. Just ask the right paladins.
- 26:25So yeah, I don't know. It doesn't speak to me.
- 26:30I'm I'm intermediate ranged spellcaster doesn't really speak
- 26:36to me. I I'm interested because again,
- 26:43this is something that we had speculated oh, what happens when
- 26:46they add in a new spec? Now we know they have broken
- 26:53apart the hero talents so we have Vengeance which will no
- 27:00longer have access to Felsgard. Felsgard is now actually shared
- 27:04between Havoc and the the new spec Devourer and has been
- 27:09renamed Scarred because Devourers don't use Fel.
- 27:13So now it is Scarred and then Devourer will share a new talent
- 27:19hero talentry called Annihilator with vengeance Demon Hunter and
- 27:25vengeance Demon Hunter and devourer.
- 27:29This new annihilator speck is themed around bringing down
- 27:33meteors or comments on a down onto your enemies.
- 27:37And that I think seems really cool for vengeance and I and I
- 27:43guess for devourer, I get I'm kind of with you that this
- 27:46devour spec isn't really speaking to me, but like I do
- 27:51love vengeance and I do think that vengeance bringing down
- 27:55like an entire meteor down upon like a bunch of people seems
- 27:59really cool to me. So I'm happy about that.
- 28:03But for people asking, like in chat multi is asking the horde.
- 28:10The Horde is not getting another race that will have access to
- 28:15Demon Hunter. Right now it is just Void Elves
- 28:19that are getting access to it. But they did say something
- 28:23interesting and I, Lex, I'm going to let you jump in and
- 28:25talk about this. I'm back just for this.
- 28:28Yeah. So in the interview they said
- 28:30something like, now I know it feels like the Horde is off
- 28:32balance here, but it's not the end of the trilogy.
- 28:36Don't worry you guys, there's more world soul.
- 28:39We'll be equalling it out. So it does seem like there's
- 28:41something exciting in the pipeline.
- 28:44Yeah, I don't actually, I heard that quote.
- 28:46I don't think that means they're getting another race for Demon
- 28:50Hunters. I think it means that they're
- 28:51getting another race class combo other than, you know, troll
- 28:57Demon Hunters. So that's yeah, yeah, I don't
- 29:01know, because people, a lot of people were pointing at night
- 29:03born, like, oh, just give them Night born.
- 29:05That makes sense. They're just like night dolls.
- 29:06I was like, well, no. Yeah, yeah, I definitely agree
- 29:13with that. I do think it's strange because
- 29:17a lot of the most restrictive classes they've opened up, like
- 29:21Death Knights are basically every class except for the
- 29:26latest 2 that they've added, right?
- 29:30Shamans have been opened up pretty well because every time
- 29:32they add in a new race, they're allowed to be a shaman.
- 29:36Does this mean we're looking at like or paladins or something
- 29:40along those lines, which would be strange, but like I'm, I'm
- 29:45thinking about like what are the more restrictive classes that
- 29:50have the least amount of races that can do it?
- 29:54And I I honestly think that it is something along the lines of
- 29:59Paladin at this point. Yeah, it's got to be I think.
- 30:03I think it has to be Paladin. Seen undead paladins as an
- 30:06option. I think that would be cool.
- 30:09I feel like especially after watching the trailer and seeing
- 30:12what we're being told is the army of the light that has fully
- 30:18expunged itself of all non human members, non human male members.
- 30:28OK, yeah. I feel like that we're heading
- 30:30towards, you know. We're going to be getting a
- 30:32place. The Army, the lights.
- 30:34Go to a dark place. It makes me so angry, like, oh,
- 30:37it's there. It's clearly they're on the end
- 30:39of the light. Like what?
- 30:42Not a single hoof. Not a single hoof in this group.
- 30:47Yeah, it was disturbing, and it's something that maybe we
- 30:51could talk about more in a lore episode.
- 30:54But like, I do think that there are reasons for it.
- 30:58I don't think it was just like they're like, yeah, or you're
- 31:01like we'll just do a bunch of armor clad men and let's leave
- 31:05it at that. We but we will come back to that
- 31:08because I do think that it is odd that there was like not much
- 31:11of a female presence. Anywho, there's of course a lot
- 31:18coming for different races and stuff that isn't like
- 31:20headlining. They talked about trolls getting
- 31:23new hairstyles and stuff because they're putting that stuff into
- 31:26the Amani. They didn't say if that is just
- 31:30the dark spare OG trolls or if that also includes the
- 31:33Zandalari. Those kind of customizations do
- 31:37come in quite quickly. We just saw new elves and like
- 31:40some customizations going to I believe not just OG humans but
- 31:45also the I was sorry they. Called Kieran with the point of
- 31:50years. Yeah, yeah.
- 31:52Right. So they can do some stuff like
- 31:54that. Maybe they like adjust elf eyes
- 31:57to to like be closer to the cinematic.
- 32:00But you know, I don't want to cause a fight out here.
- 32:05That's his eyes glowing more. I'm so sorry, I'm sorry.
- 32:09Why is your hand line so high as to the person anyway?
- 32:14Yeah, I just, I just want to strong draw a line, that's all.
- 32:18Let's go over to the talents so. I hate men anyway.
- 32:28We need a. Social We need a social
- 32:31commentary podcast along with this podcast.
- 32:34But for now, let's talk about strength of these talents
- 32:38because as you're going up to level 90, we're getting another
- 32:4210 talents. But that's not all being put
- 32:45into one place. These talents are going to be
- 32:47split between your class tree, your specialization, and your
- 32:52hero talents as well. As you level up, it'll
- 32:56alternate, You'll get 3 that go into your class tree by the time
- 33:00you hit level 90, another three that will be put into your hero
- 33:04tree as you get up to level 90, and another four that will go
- 33:09into your specialization for the class tree.
- 33:13Those points are just free to use things that would have been
- 33:17harder for you to get before. You might have had to given up
- 33:20other talents just to path into it or things that like just
- 33:23generally were like I, I can't spend the point because I've got
- 33:26too many points that are just locked in.
- 33:29You're with these just extra points, you're going to have
- 33:31less of that. You're going to be more free to
- 33:32get more utility and such in that class tree.
- 33:35So that's great in the in the hero talents, by the time you
- 33:41hit the lady, you had already filled up that talent tree.
- 33:45So what's happening now is that they're adding another lane AKA
- 33:48column onto that and those three points are going to go right
- 33:52there and you're going to have a fully specced out here tree with
- 33:56just that much more power. Finally, in that spec tree,
- 34:01you're getting 4 points, and those can go pretty much
- 34:05anywhere you'd like. But they've added Apex talents,
- 34:09and these Apex talents are one per specialization with four
- 34:14points that you can put into that into that talent point.
- 34:22The first point that you put into there is going to do
- 34:26something massive, and the last point that you put into there is
- 34:29going to do something impactful. The two points in between from
- 34:33the examples that we've been given are something passive, but
- 34:36still something strong. So the example of the new
- 34:42Devourer, Devourer Demon Hunter, they have a talent called
- 34:47midnight as their apex talent. And the first point, it turns
- 34:51your finisher collapsing, collapsing star to always
- 34:55critical hit. So you'll be guaranteed the
- 34:58critical hit, and then the next two points, which are the
- 35:02passive stuff, increases your damaged school.
- 35:05In the case of Devourers, it's cosmic damage by a percentage
- 35:10that increases right as well as causing you to increase your
- 35:17crit damage based on your crit percentage.
- 35:20So now while you that crit might have been worthless to this
- 35:25ability, now it's going to further increase your damage.
- 35:28This is similar to I believe warlocks and their chaos fault
- 35:31where you're we're at one point the crit, the crit actually just
- 35:36increase the damage of your chaos fault.
- 35:39And then the final one, when you put all four points in there is
- 35:44that when you pop your void meta, you will immediately get
- 35:48enough resources to do your Collapsing Star.
- 35:52And this is really good because one, you've been putting all
- 35:55these points into making Collapsing Star that much
- 35:57better. But two, Collapsing Star is an
- 36:00ability that the more you do it, the stronger it gets.
- 36:04And it's only available in your Demon Hunter form.
- 36:07So being able to start that chain immediately is actually
- 36:10quite strong for this spec. And so that's what they want.
- 36:14They want these talents to be very alluring stuff that you
- 36:18really want to put in. And it's unlikely, though it's
- 36:24not impossible, that you're going to want to put your points
- 36:27anywhere else you. Can though they did make it
- 36:30clear that you are allowed to do that.
- 36:32You don't have to do the Apex talent and you don't have to put
- 36:35more than one point into it. And I'm a little curious how the
- 36:38tuning's going to work, if it is going to be so overpoweredly
- 36:40strong that everyone's going to put an Apex or if they are going
- 36:44to make that a little bit on the table.
- 36:45Like, yeah, this one like it's, it's good.
- 36:47But you could probably also just get, you know, more things at
- 36:49your bottom row and and also get some, I think God.
- 36:53I think it's going to be definitely one of those things
- 36:56that it is spec by spec. There might be ones where it's
- 37:00just like, yeah, it doesn't matter whatever whatever content
- 37:02you're doing, this is worth it. There might be ones where it's
- 37:05based on the content you're doing.
- 37:06It might not be that good in like single target versus AOE
- 37:10versus PvP and that sort of stuff.
- 37:12And I think that's that's something that you can do for
- 37:17whatever specs, like if the collapsing star is purely single
- 37:22target ability, which I don't believe it is right, you may not
- 37:26want to dump all those points into it for mythic plus, instead
- 37:29favoring something that that does better for AOE.
- 37:35Kind of looking way further ahead than I should.
- 37:39I would love that if in future expansions they just add other
- 37:43apex talents where you're like, oh, do I want this one or do I
- 37:46want this one? It's kind of become something
- 37:50that could conflict with hero talents, but like I I think that
- 37:58that's a balancing issue for them.
- 37:59Yeah, it's something to be said for the fact that they're
- 38:03putting in all these Evergreen features, but there's a risk
- 38:06they're going to run into the reason that they weren't always
- 38:08putting in Evergreen features, which is that if every expansion
- 38:11you put in an every Evergreen power feature, all of a sudden
- 38:16you have a lot of power feature. So I'm curious.
- 38:21I'm also curious how they're going to balance that overall.
- 38:24I wouldn't mind mutual exclusive Apex talents and stuff like
- 38:28that, just like give us more options, allow us to go wider
- 38:31instead of constantly making it longer and more more you're
- 38:35putting in. But yeah, that that is future
- 38:38developers problems. Not my issue.
- 38:42John, what do you think? I don't know, we're probably 3
- 38:47patches away from saying, hey, listen, we heard you.
- 38:49We tried the talents, but they're just sort of too deep
- 38:51and too varied and too complex. And we're going to simplify it
- 38:54down into just specific items that you get at each level.
- 38:57And then we'll be looking at like the Legion BFA era class
- 39:02leveling as Ji don't know. I, I'm going to, I don't really
- 39:05think it will tell us too much. I'm going to go onto a website,
- 39:07export the build and import the build and that's going to be it.
- 39:10You know what I mean? So it's not like it.
- 39:12None of it really matters to me. I don't agonizingly read through
- 39:16every single ability and then test them out myself and try
- 39:19which ones to see which I install the one that I'm told to
- 39:23install. And that's what I play.
- 39:24I'll read those talents to make sure that I know I'm playing it
- 39:27correctly, but I don't. Yeah, it's, and this will be the
- 39:31same. I'm going to play whether my
- 39:32Apex talent is good or not means nothing to me.
- 39:34I'm going to play what I'm told to play, OK?
- 39:37I have very little exploration in me at this point.
- 39:42I I mean, I'd love PTR because that's when I can do this most
- 39:46where I can be like, oh, let me try this and let me try that.
- 39:49I Sean, you've been on the PTR with me when they did the shaman
- 39:52re vamp, but I was like, oh, let me try this and let me try this
- 39:56with that. I think the class tree allows
- 40:00for the most exploration because of.
- 40:04The ability, it's like utility and stuff.
- 40:06It's like I'm not going to be performing subpar damage because
- 40:11I switched around my utility. And so it's funny that just
- 40:16having three points in there kind of makes that less of a
- 40:20thing because it's more likely I'll be able to grab all of
- 40:22them. I won't be making that
- 40:23decisions. So I do like that in the
- 40:26classroom. I do like that in the classroom
- 40:28that you can like, OK, maybe I don't want to take one minute
- 40:31sack and instead I want to take double freedom.
- 40:33Those things when when the impact isn't going to be will my
- 40:37damage and tanking be affected? And it's just will my quality of
- 40:41life feel better? Will I feel like I can
- 40:42contribute more, do something I wouldn't normally able to do?
- 40:45Sometimes I'll even just take a passive so I don't have to take
- 40:47an active ability. The debt, my class tree.
- 40:49You're supposed to run Soul Reaper and it is damage
- 40:51increase, but it's one extra key bind and it's just like, I just
- 40:55don't want to. I'm not playing this guy at a
- 40:58competitive level. I just don't want to have an
- 41:00extra button I have to press and track.
- 41:02So I'm just going to take icy talents.
- 41:04Leave me alone. Yeah, I do kind of think that
- 41:09World of Warcraft has a little bit of a complexity issue.
- 41:13I was saying this when we were talking about single button
- 41:15rotation. That kind of my take away from
- 41:17that is that I think the rotations are just a little too
- 41:19complicated and we probably could parse them down pretty
- 41:23significantly. And I absolutely feel that way
- 41:25about talents. I look at the like, I open up
- 41:27the talent trees and I am like, oh, maybe today I'll be creative
- 41:30and I'll try to figure out how to do something.
- 41:31And within like 2 clicks I'm overwhelmed and I've broke my
- 41:33entire tree and I'm having like a mental breakdown and I'm like
- 41:36This is why they give me important strings.
- 41:39I have not touched a talent tree since we got the import strings.
- 41:42It is. It is far too much.
- 41:45It's funny. That'd be creative.
- 41:48Actually, no, I'm. Like I'll just pull from this
- 41:51place over here and then all of a sudden none of my bottom
- 41:54talents are accessible and I'm like, OK.
- 41:56Yeah. My bad.
- 41:57I'm just picturing Monty Python. Let's go to Camelot.
- 42:01It's a silly place. Let's not go oh wow, that is
- 42:07perfect. Oh, OK, all right, I, I do
- 42:12really love what you can shift around your talents.
- 42:15It is different for different classes for sure.
- 42:18Some some classes they're like bottom row is or like parts of
- 42:24the bottom row. It's just oddly not viable and
- 42:28Shaman, enhancement shaman is not like that and has not been
- 42:31like that for like pretty much all of Dragonflight.
- 42:35And I'm really happy about that. I know elemental is really
- 42:38loathing part of it. So it is different from spec to
- 42:42spec, but being able to like shift those talents and then how
- 42:46you play based on like raid council and so forth, I think is
- 42:51one of the strengths of Wow. Even if you are just using
- 42:55import strings to be like, I'm going to flex this way.
- 42:58Being able to be like, oh, no, because I remember before we had
- 43:02talents like this level of talents and it would be like,
- 43:07oh, we're doing the single fight.
- 43:09I need to change specs because this this spec cannot do single
- 43:13talent or this spec cannot do AOE, and having the ability to
- 43:17flex that at least a little bit to be viable in those situations
- 43:23I think is a just like the reason talents are are so good
- 43:28right now. That's fair, and I do also feel
- 43:30like before this, when I think about it, genuinely, it did feel
- 43:34like a lot of patches and expansion, especially there was
- 43:37at least one person in the Guild who is like, well, I guess I'm
- 43:40rerolling because everything that I love about my spec was
- 43:43just taken for me. And I feel like I've heard that
- 43:46a lot less now that there is that flexibility in talents.
- 43:49So, and I, I guess that is potentially the other argument
- 43:52that if the, the, the ideal is that World of Warcraft has the
- 43:56ability for complexity and also the ability to be simple, right?
- 43:59If you want to play around with your talents and figure out
- 44:01exactly how you feel, you do that.
- 44:03If not, you go to row head. If you want to figure out your
- 44:08entire rotation, get a perfect, you do that.
- 44:10If not, you do the single button rotation.
- 44:12Like there is that ability to play both.
- 44:16Yeah. So I think that there is a funny
- 44:22thing about the single button rotation.
- 44:26The more you understand the limitations of the single button
- 44:29rotation and your talents, the better you can spec your your
- 44:35talents to take advantage of the single button rotation and not
- 44:41get hit as hard by that penalty. Like if you do a lot more stuff
- 44:45that's hard casting, if you do a lot more stuff that avoids that,
- 44:48like GCD Incursion, you might actually get better performance
- 44:54than somebody who this follows the guide and then does single
- 44:58button rotation right. If you're like, I actually, I'm
- 45:03going to stop at this haste break point because that's now
- 45:05going to start clipping into this or and I'm going to get
- 45:08this other stat, you actually would perform better.
- 45:11It's a very funny thing when I was talking with a a theory
- 45:17crafter, that's like, actually we might start doing a single
- 45:22button rotation gearing strategy, which is not something
- 45:28I'd ever considered when we were talking about the single button
- 45:31rotation. Wait until those builds start
- 45:34out performing the non single button rotation builds.
- 45:38It's going to be a nightmare. Wait.
- 45:44OK, so I'm going to pass this over to you, Lex.
- 45:49This is I think something that you have been loving.
- 45:52So go ahead. It is outdoor content season,
- 45:56babes. We are getting so much exciting
- 45:58new stuff, so we are seeing a lot of different ways the the
- 46:03goal of the game right now, the philosophy that they're saying
- 46:05is they want to provide a lot of different activities for
- 46:07different players. The one that I am the most
- 46:10excited about, obviously, because I've been talking about
- 46:12it very excitedly since we learned about it.
- 46:14The last episode is Prey, so we got a little bit more clarity on
- 46:18how the Prey system is going to work in general.
- 46:20So you go to Murder Row, you talk to the guy who likes to
- 46:23torture Naru, whose name I've already forgotten, and he gives
- 46:27you a target. They.
- 46:31And then the target is in the the different zones, right?
- 46:34It's supposed to be unpredictable.
- 46:40I I'm going to make a confession and maybe one of you 2 can save
- 46:44me. Or maybe this is simply how it
- 46:45is. I'm kind of still confused about
- 46:49how exactly this is going to work.
- 46:50I still don't feel like we've gotten harsh clarity like they
- 46:54they're talking about like you're getting ambushed by your
- 46:56guy, but then also like you're finding tracks and it seems like
- 47:01there's multiple encounters. And I, I personally, when I was
- 47:05listening to the interview, I felt like it was remaining a
- 47:08little fuzzy. I still honestly, for example, I
- 47:11know it's a weekly set. I don't know that I know for
- 47:14sure how long it will take. So I go ahead, John.
- 47:19The the way that I heard it described from someone who was
- 47:22at games.com is similar to the mall.
- 47:26When the assassins in the mall would randomly attack you,
- 47:30you'll be doing your other daily activities, herbing, fishing,
- 47:36world quests, whatever. And then you're going to get
- 47:39jumped and it could happen multiple times or will happen
- 47:42multiple times. And then the final time is when
- 47:44you you get the kill or whatever.
- 47:47That's how they described it was that that I don't remember if
- 47:50that had a name from the MA, but with the jailer's eye, like this
- 47:53was season 1 of of shadow lands. The jailer's eye would like
- 47:57randomly send assassins after you to try and take you out if
- 48:00your thing was too high. So that's what I think you're
- 48:03going to sign up for this thing and you're going to randomly get
- 48:06it's going to be like getting PvP ganked, but by an NPC.
- 48:11You're out in the world. OK, I think that's one system
- 48:14that I didn't really play with a ton, so I think I didn't even
- 48:17realize there was that like connection.
- 48:19OK, so that actually makes more sense.
- 48:20And that makes me feel better that they're not pulling this
- 48:21entirely out of thin air. And this is based in.
- 48:25Yeah, oh, that was awful in the mall so.
- 48:28Yay. Like, yeah, like they, like, it
- 48:32could have been really bad if you were, if you were early in
- 48:35your gearing experience, if you were already just like surviving
- 48:39whatever you were dealing with, and then the assassin jumped to
- 48:42you. And I think that's supposed to
- 48:44be the tension that they're giving you, especially on the
- 48:45higher difficulties. It's like, you better be
- 48:48prepared. This is when you pop your
- 48:50cooldowns and try and survive and that sort of thing.
- 48:53But part of it is that the number of encounters, like how
- 48:59exactly these things are going to operate is supposed to be
- 49:03something that you don't know immediately.
- 49:06At least until like one of these community sites throws out the
- 49:09guide and says when you take this one, they will they will
- 49:12jump you on a cooldown of X and they will have this.
- 49:17So like it is supposed to be something that adds a little bit
- 49:20of suspense to your otherwise like general outdoor activities.
- 49:28They did say that these enemies can jump you anywhere.
- 49:34Remember when we were talking last week?
- 49:36I was saying, Oh yeah. Like, so that means that when I
- 49:38want to actually do fishing or something, I'll just stay out of
- 49:41the area that this guy will jump me in.
- 49:43And apparently it that doesn't matter.
- 49:46You could be in like the void Storm and suddenly this Almani
- 49:49trolls like I've travelled across the Galaxy to get you and
- 49:53yeah, you'll just have to reconcile with that.
- 49:56It is from what I saw. It is like what Sean said where
- 50:00like you'll randomly get this, like, oh, you're, you're dealing
- 50:04with me now. And then you'll get them to a
- 50:07certain point and they'll run away.
- 50:08Think like the Nemesis when you're in a Delve where suddenly
- 50:11they'll pop up, they'll fight you for a little bit and then
- 50:13they'll they'll run away. So it has been used now
- 50:16repeatedly in in World of Warcraft.
- 50:19And I think that should be OK. I just don't know what the fail
- 50:29state is. Is it like when same thing with
- 50:33those where like oh you'll get jumped by the nemesis and
- 50:35whether you beat them or or lose you'll still move on to move on
- 50:40or is it that like oh you've lost so Nope you got to wait for
- 50:44them to ambush them again. You have to beat them X amount
- 50:46of times before you can do the final encounter.
- 50:49Or do you become the hunter for somebody else?
- 50:52When you lose, you get trapped into this contract with Bourne
- 50:56Zombie, and now you have to track down somebody else who's
- 50:59just doing their fishing. That would be so cool.
- 51:01That would have made it for PvP. And for PvP.
- 51:04Oh yeah, I don't like PvP. You're right, man.
- 51:05Put it in. PvP mode.
- 51:08Imagine the person who's your prey just like doesn't log on
- 51:11for the week and you're like where did they go?
- 51:13From where where did they? Go here, you just stuck in
- 51:15purgatory with Bourne Zombie, which wouldn't be so bad.
- 51:18I love Bourne Zombie, but you love it.
- 51:21OK, yeah, so that's very helpful.
- 51:23That makes me feel a lot better that because because it felt
- 51:25very nebulous. I was like, is this done?
- 51:28Like, do you guys actually know what we're doing?
- 51:31But maybe it's just nebulous. Maybe sometimes things are just
- 51:33kind of weird. They have told us a lot more
- 51:36about the difficulty levels. There's normal, heart and
- 51:38Nightmare to answer a question we had in the last episode.
- 51:41Normal is public you still it's your prey, so you don't have to
- 51:45worry about like other people killing it for like for you
- 51:48before you can target it, but other people can help you, they
- 51:53can see it and they can assist you on hard a nightmare.
- 51:57It's going to be a 1V1 and it also is going to have torments.
- 52:00So things that are going to make it more complicated and more
- 52:02difficult. And presumably they'll either
- 52:04stack or they'll be more difficult a nightmare than in
- 52:06hard. So we we got our levels.
- 52:10We have. So in the interview they said
- 52:12that during games com so we're really getting flash moments.
- 52:18They determined that they were going to make prey contribute to
- 52:23the world tier row. Yeah, the world tier row of your
- 52:26great Vault and it could get you up to heroic.
- 52:29So you will be getting gear. My understanding is only through
- 52:33vault the way that it was that I understood that interview.
- 52:36You're not going to like get gear dropping when you're
- 52:39killing the guys, but you you will get gear at the end of the
- 52:43week. So there is a power reward, but
- 52:46it is primarily cosmetic that you were doing this for.
- 52:50And Nightmare is supposed to be like a little bit below the
- 52:55final, like the the big final boss delve of every season.
- 53:00But it's still supposed to be hard.
- 53:02It's supposed to be at like getting close to those levels.
- 53:05So it's actually going to be complicated.
- 53:06It's going to be fun. It's going to be this harder
- 53:09open world content, but you get to choose it as you people don't
- 53:11get to complain that it's too difficult because then just
- 53:13choose easier. And I'm sure people will find
- 53:17things to be unhappy about, but that's OK.
- 53:19We're going to have a good time. We're going to pray and we're
- 53:20going to kill things. How are you guys feeling about
- 53:24this? How is anyone else excited for
- 53:25praying? I'm conflicted about the the
- 53:30loot. It's just too heroic.
- 53:35So like we had a discussion in the discord about how quickly
- 53:39we're outgrowing certain rows in the vault, so it's just too
- 53:44heroic. So I don't think this will
- 53:46bother me past like week two of a of a season as an alternative
- 53:52to doing delves. I think that like, you know,
- 53:56more variety is always good for people who who want to do that.
- 54:00I just question if this is a weekly and like, let's say you
- 54:05want to fill out that row, can I do like 3 hunts to fill up the
- 54:09three rows? Is it going to be that I have to
- 54:11do X amount of hunts? How quickly can I conclude
- 54:14hunts? There's there's a lot of
- 54:15questions now about like how much of the vault and how
- 54:20quickly I can fill up that that vault row with the hunts are.
- 54:24And because of the random nature, if it's Monday and I
- 54:28pick up a hunt, am I like actually going to be able to do
- 54:32it in time? So there's a lot of questions
- 54:35when it stops, when it ceases being cosmetic, when it gets
- 54:38tied to these sort of schedules that pop up from this.
- 54:41And so as soon as they they did this, I was just like, and
- 54:44here's the next 20 questions. So yeah, I don't know.
- 54:47I don't know. Yeah, my my guess is so first of
- 54:50all, just to to again restate, they kind of pulled this
- 54:53respectfully out of their butt, right?
- 54:55This was something that they even themselves admitted they
- 54:58altered course on during games com.
- 55:01So they, I think don't know how exactly they're going to put it
- 55:04in. I think this was just kind of a
- 55:05like conversation. They were like, oh, that's
- 55:07actually a really good point. I guess I could contribute to
- 55:09the vault. My guess is it's going to be 1
- 55:12tick. You get 1 possible chance.
- 55:15So you will get one box filled in your great vault.
- 55:20If you want more than that one box, you go do delves.
- 55:23Because I again, I don't think they really want this to be a
- 55:26gearing thing. I think that that's why they're
- 55:29choosing not to have gear dropped and it could be wrong.
- 55:31I'm not coding it. I don't know anything, but I I
- 55:35don't get the vibe that they want this to be a thing where
- 55:37you are like this is your weekly gearing.
- 55:40I think they want more of oh cute one Victoria.
- 55:44I got a QP salute. That's not how I'm going to gear
- 55:46for the week, but I feel good about it.
- 55:50Can I put you in a hot seat for a second?
- 55:52Yeah, totally. OK so if this contributes to
- 55:55your vault but you can only do 1, does that then make it the
- 55:59equivalent to doing 4 dels for the last slot, or only the first
- 56:03slot? And now I have to do 7 dels to
- 56:05get to the last slot. I think it's the seven dels.
- 56:08I think. I think they want this.
- 56:09I could be wrong again, I first of all, I'm confused as we have
- 56:13determined. I'm confused about all this
- 56:15news. I'm especially confused about
- 56:16the prey. So I I am not saying this with
- 56:19any sort of like strong confidence.
- 56:22My vibe is that this is meant to be like like really minimal like
- 56:32I think this is going to count as one delve right?
- 56:35This will and I think, OK, I'm going to feel really, really
- 56:37stupid the first slot of. The.
- 56:41Vault. You only need to do one thing to
- 56:44get it right. Yes.
- 56:46Yeah, I know what my fault looks like.
- 56:50This. Is the first slot.
- 56:52First slot is 2 delves in the world content.
- 56:57OK, yeah, so and the first raid slot is 2 raid bosses as well.
- 57:01Yeah. So, so if they just make it
- 57:03count as a Delve, then it's just do one of these, do a Delph, it
- 57:07could just count as a Delph, right?
- 57:09Yeah, then that's what they do with most world content.
- 57:10Like for example, if you do like the theatre troupe right now, it
- 57:15counts as one delve. So like it will pop up like
- 57:19it'll it'll get you somewhere, but it's not you're not going to
- 57:21like clear a row just with that. So we're getting a little gear.
- 57:28If you are like, I'm an open world gamer and that sucks.
- 57:31I don't like pray this is stupid.
- 57:32That's OK. You got more things.
- 57:34We're doing great. So you also have the Silver Moon
- 57:37Court, which is meant to be reminiscent of the like Aldores
- 57:40Grier sort of thing where you're doing Rep balancing.
- 57:44There's four different factions in Eversong Woods and you'd,
- 57:48you're all, they each have their own track.
- 57:50Their tracks have cosmetic rewards.
- 57:52My I, I was not really, I was a child during Burning Crusade.
- 57:56So I only know about the outdoors Grier from like memes
- 57:59and stuff. But my understanding is that you
- 58:01kind of have to pick a side, right?
- 58:03Like you can't, You couldn't be full.
- 58:04Yeah, sick. But like, I'm going to, I'm
- 58:06going to push back against it because I think that they made
- 58:09the wrong analogy. I'm going to say that this is
- 58:12more like the severed threads where you can choose the
- 58:17general, the the the vizier or the Weaver.
- 58:21And each of those had their own separate track, but they all
- 58:24lead towards the the main track. And I say that because with the
- 58:30advent of war bans and with the advent of everything being done
- 58:36on your account level, I would hate for the inability to switch
- 58:41between these. So each week you're probably
- 58:43going to switch between these just like the silk, the severed
- 58:47threads or more recently undermine where you would choose
- 58:50your cartel. I think that that's sorry, I
- 58:55think that that's more likely in a in a in a war bound thing
- 58:59because with the Stryers and the Alder I won, they had
- 59:04professional stuff. So I would always have to pick
- 59:06based on my profession. But 2 I had alts that I would
- 59:11have one work on another one and one work on the other.
- 59:14Batchy. Back then I didn't do alts.
- 59:17And they were mutually exclusive.
- 59:19When you wanted to do something with the alders.
- 59:24Congratulations, you are now hostile with the Scrys.
- 59:26They're not hostile. Yeah, hostile is is correct.
- 59:28They weren't at war with you, but they were hostile.
- 59:30They'd be like, get out of my my neck of the woods and they'd
- 59:33kick you out of the area of the city.
- 59:35So you had to choose one faction at the expense of another
- 59:38faction. Since Shadow Lands, Blizzard's
- 59:42kind of gun shy about that. So I don't, I don't actually
- 59:45think that it's outdoor scryers, I think that it is severed
- 59:48threads or undermine cartels. Well, see, but I feel like it
- 59:52can't be because those are such easier references to make.
- 59:56I feel like the fact that they chose outdoor Squire was a very
- 59:58and also the fact that they are saying the word balance.
- 1:00:01They didn't say build your reputations.
- 1:00:02They very explicitly said to balance your reputations between
- 1:00:05the four different factions. I I, I don't know how it'll
- 1:00:09work. It's possible they won't make it
- 1:00:10war bound, which I think would probably be the easiest option
- 1:00:13is just be like this one is character specific.
- 1:00:15Oh, apparently that's not that's not popular with the group.
- 1:00:20But I like I, I can't imagine that they would pick the words
- 1:00:25they picked and they pick the examples they gave.
- 1:00:28If it I, I, I think I mean like based on the way the game tends
- 1:00:32to go, I think you're probably like, I, I can see where you're
- 1:00:36coming from. And that does seem to fit the
- 1:00:39most of how World of Warcraft has been making decisions where
- 1:00:42they do kind of give you a like or you can grind it all, have
- 1:00:44fun, enjoy yourself. But I would be, I would just be
- 1:00:48very surprised based on the words they picked.
- 1:00:50But to be fair, I was also like, there have been a few times,
- 1:00:53including with the to do a quick little call back single button
- 1:00:56rotation that I've been like, no, you guys listen to what
- 1:00:58Blizzard saying. They're being very, very clear
- 1:01:00about what they want this to be. And I've been very wrong.
- 1:01:03So maybe I don't know what Blizzard say.
- 1:01:06Yeah, I it's a question. You're right.
- 1:01:11They did use the term balance. They, they were very specific
- 1:01:15about words like balances and something that that you just
- 1:01:18sort of throw out there. I'm I'm interested in seeing
- 1:01:22where this goes, but what else do we have for the people who
- 1:01:25maybe are not wanting to deal with the court?
- 1:01:28We also have the Loa of Abundance.
- 1:01:30So this is a gathering sort of adventure where you're going to
- 1:01:32go into these caves, It's going to be a fast-paced treasure room
- 1:01:35event. You're going to be running
- 1:01:36around gathering different things.
- 1:01:37You do not have to be a gatherer to do it, but you will get cute
- 1:01:40little bonuses. And also it's tied to Zuluman
- 1:01:43because again, you're gathering for the Loa of Abundance, but
- 1:01:45you can do it anywhere or the the events will occur anywhere,
- 1:01:48I should say. So you're able to go in and,
- 1:01:51and, and do your adventures and have your good times with
- 1:01:53whatever vibe you're doing, which is very exciting.
- 1:01:57I don't know, I guess I say that and I don't, I'm not really a
- 1:02:00collector and I'm probably not going to do this a lot, but I'm
- 1:02:02excited for the people who are happy.
- 1:02:04There's the legends of the Harnier where there's gonna be
- 1:02:07magical paintings which will uncover bite size, lore, focus,
- 1:02:10objective. So you can quickly if you want
- 1:02:14to, but they said you can slow down, read tidbits, get deep
- 1:02:19into the into the information and and learn a lot through
- 1:02:22these events. And then there's the Stormarian
- 1:02:26assault. This is going to be a wave
- 1:02:27defense and it's going to be a group event similar to like the
- 1:02:31soup was the example they gave you will be scored and you will
- 1:02:36be scored by yourself and the fighting that you do and also
- 1:02:39the way that you're setting up defenses, which I am cautiously
- 1:02:43excited about this one. I, I'm really curious how
- 1:02:47they're going to pull it off because usually in these sorts
- 1:02:51of group events, again, it is a very like you're done within 5
- 1:02:57minutes. Like they, they, they've made it
- 1:02:58in such a way that you can score the Max and you almost certainly
- 1:03:03will, unless you're like playing at 2:00 in the morning.
- 1:03:06So I'm curious they they the way that they said it made it sound
- 1:03:09like they were going to make it difficult and make it actually
- 1:03:13more of a scoring system. I have never seen them do that
- 1:03:16for open world content. So we'll see.
- 1:03:19Yeah, I mean, with this one in particular, I think you're
- 1:03:23right. There's going to be the guy
- 1:03:25who's streaming and and AFK and proudly AFK while he's chatting
- 1:03:30and everybody else is doing stuff around them.
- 1:03:32There's going to be stop laughing.
- 1:03:35It could be anybody. I'm in this, I'm in this tweet
- 1:03:39and I don't like it. There, there's going to be a
- 1:03:44bunch of people who are just running off doing their own sort
- 1:03:46of thing. And so like, I don't think you
- 1:03:48can really tune it that that high into difficulty.
- 1:03:52Like I'm looking at Nightfall and how you, you had to do your
- 1:03:57own particular stuff to like actually earn those rewards.
- 1:04:01And so like they are doing different things to evolve this
- 1:04:05formula a little bit and we'll see.
- 1:04:09If you're killing mobs for myself like a sucker.
- 1:04:15Like, since the advent of Dragonflight, they have had
- 1:04:20these public events, and these last four definitely seem like
- 1:04:26public events. Oh, there's a cave up.
- 1:04:29Oh, it's the top of the hour. Let's do this.
- 1:04:30The Stormarian assault, right? Oh, the lore event is available
- 1:04:39for the for the next hour. Let me go, go do that.
- 1:04:44I think they're cute, but this is this.
- 1:04:49This part of it doesn't seem like anything revolutionary.
- 1:04:53It just seems like the next wave of the same things we've been
- 1:04:56doing for the last, what, four or five years?
- 1:05:03I, I get a little anxious about these now because every single
- 1:05:07time they put in some rare recipe or some something that
- 1:05:13people need to get from these things.
- 1:05:16So people are farming it like every hour on the hour for the
- 1:05:20first like X amount of weeks. And then the next patch comes
- 1:05:25out, everybody moves on to that and there are a bunch of people
- 1:05:28who didn't get the recipe or came in late that are now stuck
- 1:05:32trying to do it with the same really low drop chance.
- 1:05:36And it just becomes frustrating for them.
- 1:05:39I'm hoping they do something to make these a little bit more
- 1:05:44Evergreen. They kind of did a little bit of
- 1:05:47that in Dragonflight where like they upped what you the quality
- 1:05:54you would get out of them at least.
- 1:05:56But I haven't really seen that in the war within.
- 1:06:01Like, I mean like they did up the quality, but they also made
- 1:06:04things so obsolete with the speed of stuff coming out in in
- 1:06:09in the war within that. I when was the last time either
- 1:06:13of you did like the like protecting the light in hollow
- 1:06:18fall? Season 1 when I got Max Rep,
- 1:06:28that was the last time. So I mean one way that they did
- 1:06:32kind of keep some of these world events relevant in War Within is
- 1:06:37they gave them delve keys and then they suddenly switched them
- 1:06:40to shards and didn't tell me. And now I have 50 shards I don't
- 1:06:42know what to do with in my bag because I didn't realize the
- 1:06:45theater troopers shards and I would have done it if I do that.
- 1:06:47I knew it was stupid and lazy. But anyway, not that I'm mad
- 1:06:49about that. So that is one thing that
- 1:06:53they've been doing a lot of. Like that's also, you know, the
- 1:06:55only reason I awaken the machine is because I get the weekly
- 1:06:57quest and it gives me a delve key and I'm like, OK, sick.
- 1:07:00I'll blow 5 minutes on that. So I can see that being the way
- 1:07:04that they go about this. And I'm curious to see some of
- 1:07:11these like, for example, not to out myself as like a bad World
- 1:07:15of Warcraft player, the legends of the Harnier does not speak to
- 1:07:19me at all. Like to the point where that is
- 1:07:22the one that I did not take any notes on when I was watching the
- 1:07:24video. I was like, oh, and then there's
- 1:07:26the lore one, which we love the lore ones.
- 1:07:27I read the books, but I am and and so I can see some of these
- 1:07:34getting tedious as well. And I'm curious how they're
- 1:07:39going to do the rewards. I am also curious how they're
- 1:07:41going to keep it Evergreen, if it is going to be, you know,
- 1:07:43fun, cute little cosmetics, which seems to be what they're
- 1:07:46doing with a lot of these. Whether it is going to be things
- 1:07:47like dove keys and and potential benefits, whether it's a mix of
- 1:07:51them, who knows. And I am curious, especially for
- 1:07:56the ones like the Assault, which is a Group One, how much there
- 1:07:59will be like how much I actually will have to care about my
- 1:08:01fellow players. Yeah.
- 1:08:06So we will have to see. I'm glad that they are putting
- 1:08:09some attention into the open world stuff.
- 1:08:13All of these things you could be doing and then suddenly your
- 1:08:16prey can come across you. So there is that.
- 1:08:20We will see how Legion Remix goes because I would love to see
- 1:08:26the world tier difficulties be something that is fun.
- 1:08:30And then maybe after that, adopted.
- 1:08:34And yeah, before we go any further though, Sean, we happen
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- 1:09:15us. OK, with that said.
- 1:09:20Right. I mean a little bit, a little
- 1:09:23bit. With that said, I do want to
- 1:09:25talk about quickly the revamped levelling process because they
- 1:09:29did cover this off and go and went through it.
- 1:09:33Assuming that if you're listening to this show, you're
- 1:09:35actively playing and this won't be of much value to you, but you
- 1:09:40can get some friends to come back.
- 1:09:42You can entice a new player and this is sort of what they're
- 1:09:45going to be going through. So they still have the Exiles
- 1:09:49reach process. You'll go through that as a new
- 1:09:52player, or if you just want to, on one of your alts.
- 1:09:55That will get you to level 10. From there, you're going into
- 1:09:58Dragonflight just like you would today, except that they've
- 1:10:01revised the Dragonflight levelling experience.
- 1:10:05You'll go through the 1st 4 zones just as you normally
- 1:10:07would, but that won't get you all the way to 70.
- 1:10:10Instead, you'll complete those 4 zones and then start going
- 1:10:14through some of the expansions later patch content, which means
- 1:10:19that you're going to fight in the Vault of the Incarnate as
- 1:10:23part of a story mode raid. You'll then go into the Zerlak
- 1:10:26Caverns again, there will be another story mode raid, go off
- 1:10:31into the Emerald Dream and Ameritracil and go up against
- 1:10:35Fire Rack as part of the final part of the of the story, the
- 1:10:41expansion, and that will get you to level 70.
- 1:10:45From level 70 to 80, there is going to be an abridged version
- 1:10:50of The War Within. I think I've said it a couple of
- 1:10:54times that I feel like the story for The War Within has sort of
- 1:10:59wavered and gone all over the place.
- 1:11:01Is that time? Well, now they've got the Cold
- 1:11:03Notes version of it, taking something that they said would
- 1:11:07have taken dozens of hours and compacting that into something a
- 1:11:13lot more streamlined, getting you to level 80, which is when
- 1:11:17you will step in to midnight with everybody else.
- 1:11:21These revamped stuff are coming before we start midnight.
- 1:11:26So if you want to do this revamped version of the war
- 1:11:31within as a refresher that they said they're allowing players to
- 1:11:35do that, I think that's that's pretty cool that they're doing
- 1:11:38this abridged version. They had said that like dragon
- 1:11:41fight was going to be their jumping off point for new
- 1:11:44players. And this definitely makes it
- 1:11:47feel like the new era. Hey, let's get you up to up to
- 1:11:51date. If you are a returning player,
- 1:11:55they have something else for you.
- 1:11:57They have this scenario where you are going to have your quest
- 1:12:02log hidden away. Don't deal with the stuff in
- 1:12:05your inventory and all of those items.
- 1:12:07Instead, you'll have this scenario where you'll be with
- 1:12:10Thrall and Jana and it'll reintroduce you to to the game.
- 1:12:14That includes a tutorial that will make sure that you're
- 1:12:18learning about like what you should know at this time,
- 1:12:21including an interrupt tutorial. Oh, that is so good.
- 1:12:26There are so many people in pugs that I want to be like vote into
- 1:12:31the scenario, but they, they have that.
- 1:12:36I think this will become the new pug slur.
- 1:12:38Have you done this and have you done the interrupt tutorial?
- 1:12:46But if you feel that you already have the handle on things and
- 1:12:50you're like, OK, you know what? I'm I'm caught back up to speed.
- 1:12:53You can drop out of this scenario at any time and then
- 1:12:56jump back into the into the game.
- 1:12:58And that at that point it restores all the stuff, gives
- 1:13:01you appropriate gear for whatever level you're at when
- 1:13:04you drop out of scenario. So that's a lot of stuff that's
- 1:13:07good to get people back into the game or get new players up to
- 1:13:11speed and playing along with us. And I really do like that.
- 1:13:16I hope they let excuse me sorry, I hope it's late.
- 1:13:21I hope they let non returning players opt into these like
- 1:13:24short and story modes because I think they will be neat to get
- 1:13:28Blaster the story of Dragonflight or Blaster the the
- 1:13:31abridged story of the war within where I don't have to do this
- 1:13:37eco Dome be quest that makes me want to throw my computer out a
- 1:13:42window. Dude, don't do that.
- 1:13:45You can ship the computer over to me.
- 1:13:46My computer's a little a little rusty.
- 1:13:51That said. Yeah, will my prey attack me in
- 1:13:54the interrupt tutorial? That actually is the interrupt
- 1:13:58tutorial. Yeah, it's it's just like, oh,
- 1:14:00actually we're going to throw one of the hardest world bots in
- 1:14:02the game at you alone. It's on Nightmare.
- 1:14:05You're you're, you're doing this thing.
- 1:14:06They're like interrupt. You don't interrupt and then
- 1:14:08your, your praise says you idiot and then start stabbing at you.
- 1:14:11That's the the failed case, but that's that's all for new
- 1:14:17players and returning players, which is which is going to get
- 1:14:19you caught up for midnight. We did also get a lot of
- 1:14:25clarification about the raids because we were talking about
- 1:14:27that last episode and looks like we just need to wait a couple of
- 1:14:31days for them to actually tell us what the hell is going on.
- 1:14:34Sean, I'm going to give this one to you.
- 1:14:36Yeah, the news delivery from games.com has been a massive
- 1:14:41casserole of nonsense. It's been so scattered and
- 1:14:44difficult to track things down. There's live footage like
- 1:14:48fireside chats on stage that just don't exist anymore.
- 1:14:52They were live streamed and the Vods are gone and you can't find
- 1:14:55them. It's just wild.
- 1:14:57I don't understand. Maybe.
- 1:15:00Anyway, I was going to say something snarky about layoffs.
- 1:15:03I'm not going to do that. It's just been very difficult to
- 1:15:05get news from games.com, but we got some news on the raids.
- 1:15:09So as we mentioned, there are three raids that are coming at
- 1:15:11the start of the tier. 2 of them are launching at the same time.
- 1:15:14So the Void Spire, which is the 6th boss raid and the dream rift
- 1:15:19which is the one boss raid. Those are both launching at the
- 1:15:22same time. Now let me walk you through the
- 1:15:23launch pattern. So expansion goes live on
- 1:15:26February 9th. That date is not confirmed.
- 1:15:29That is a Sean prediction. Lock in February 9th raid goes,
- 1:15:35the expansion goes live. 16th the latest February 9th
- 1:15:39expansion goes live. We have one week of doing our
- 1:15:43quests, vibe and chilling. I guess technically the 9th -3
- 1:15:48days for early access or the 6th.
- 1:15:49February 6th, early access starts February 9th.
- 1:15:53Everybody doesn't have early access, gets to play.
- 1:15:55You're vibe and you're chilling. A week goes by, you're doing the
- 1:15:58campaign, you're getting all your blood off transmog, you're
- 1:16:01faction changing, you're cursing.
- 1:16:03You know how the launch was buggy or you're saying how the
- 1:16:05launch was great? We don't know, nobody knows.
- 1:16:08You can't believe you need a 9000 series X3D CPU now to run
- 1:16:13midnight. Anyway, that week goes by, then
- 1:16:16the raid launches. Once the raid launches we get
- 1:16:20Heroic week. So that's a week where Normal
- 1:16:22and Heroic are both open when Heroic week ends.
- 1:16:27So normal and heroic. And that will be Void Spire and
- 1:16:30Dream Rift when Heroic week ends.
- 1:16:33This is now the third week we will get Mythic Void Spire and
- 1:16:38Dream Rift. Now here's the issue.
- 1:16:42The information they gave us was that the March of Quo de Nos,
- 1:16:45which is has heavy lore implications will launch a few
- 1:16:51weeks. They said two to three weeks
- 1:16:52after Void Spire. Now is that we don't know if
- 1:16:56that's two to three weeks after heroic week or if that's two to
- 1:17:00three weeks after Mythic week. OK, sorry.
- 1:17:03We're not entirely sure that there will be a heroic week.
- 1:17:06I wish I had the exact no, no locked in.
- 1:17:09They did lock in. I from what I had heard from one
- 1:17:12again, somebody says something and then there's another
- 1:17:15interview. There was a question directly
- 1:17:17asked to them, will there be heroic week?
- 1:17:19And one of the interviews that I saw, they said we're not sure
- 1:17:24yet and he leaned towards no. And so if you're saying they
- 1:17:29locked in, then all right. Yeah, Ian locked it in, he said.
- 1:17:32You know, start of an expansion means we're bringing back Heroic
- 1:17:34Week because you don't have that power gained from the previous
- 1:17:37week. Yeah, Heroic Week definitely
- 1:17:39exists. That's 100%.
- 1:17:41Does it, does it exist for all of the rights then if we're
- 1:17:44going to do staggered raid releases?
- 1:17:47Well, only two of the raids will get Heroic Week Void Spire and
- 1:17:50Dream Rift because they're launching together.
- 1:17:54March of Kel de Nos Quel de Nos won't get a heroic week because
- 1:17:58it's launching mid season or not mid season, but after the season
- 1:18:01it started. So the question people have is,
- 1:18:03is it two weeks after heroic week?
- 1:18:05Is it two weeks after mythic unlocks?
- 1:18:07When? And they and really it's just
- 1:18:08like just give us a date. Please let us know and we will
- 1:18:14know. Like right now everybody's in a
- 1:18:15tizzy over it because nobody knows any dates.
- 1:18:17February 9th, right in the calendar.
- 1:18:19Nobody knows any dates, but it's February 9th and all, right.
- 1:18:23That's it. I'm gonna, I'm gonna put my lock
- 1:18:26in two weeks that you said the 16th, so 23rd Feb 20 third.
- 1:18:30There we go. Rob, you're way late.
- 1:18:32Sure. But you already said the the
- 1:18:3416th, so I had to take the next week out.
- 1:18:35Oh. That's right.
- 1:18:36That's right. Yes.
- 1:18:39We don't know what where that's gonna launch.
- 1:18:40We're gonna find out. But where this has big
- 1:18:42implications is the Race to Rule First, which we started the show
- 1:18:44with. And it's kind of nice to bookend
- 1:18:46the show with this because the Race to Rule First typically
- 1:18:48does on location events and they'll start with heroic week.
- 1:18:53Well, if if March of Quel de Nos doesn't come out until three
- 1:18:56weeks after heroic week, that means the Raiders are going to
- 1:19:00be on location for what, a month, which is a massive cost
- 1:19:04issue. And they're the Raiders are not
- 1:19:08military personnel. They're not used to being away
- 1:19:11from home for long periods of time while deployed.
- 1:19:13So it'll be really, really curious to see.
- 1:19:16I am expecting that we get more online only race to world 1st
- 1:19:21events next season, the start of the start of the race.
- 1:19:25Because logistically it'll just make more sense.
- 1:19:28And maybe it'll be the case of the first two raids are online
- 1:19:33only and then when March of Quel de Nos goes live then they do
- 1:19:36like a one week on location for those.
- 1:19:39And then the question is well what is the race to rule first?
- 1:19:41Is it whoever kills the last boss of Quel de Nos first?
- 1:19:45Is it whichever Guild kills more bosses first, like the last boss
- 1:19:51of Void Spire and the last boss of Cualdonas, but they lose the
- 1:19:53dream rift? It's going to be yeah, it's
- 1:19:57going to be wild. Can I all of that, though?
- 1:20:00Yeah. Now you don't care that it that
- 1:20:01it affects the race of work. You shouldn't because it's
- 1:20:03probably going to be really good for the player.
- 1:20:06No, I was. I was going to be a hitter, a
- 1:20:08Blizzard actually, and I was going to say my take away from
- 1:20:12this whole thing is they have lost way too much historic
- 1:20:18knowledge. This feels like people who have
- 1:20:20not been releasing expansions for years are just like, you
- 1:20:24know, we really cool guys. What if we like did the first
- 1:20:28cinematic in like this 2 hour long event?
- 1:20:31Like, hey guys, what if, what if we like released the raids and
- 1:20:35it would OK, Like at first they're like we're all going to
- 1:20:37release them together and then they started getting pushed back
- 1:20:39and they're like, no, we won't release them together.
- 1:20:40We're going to do 1. Like I, I don't know, like 2 to
- 1:20:43three weeks after like this feels the the fact that they
- 1:20:46changed how they were going to do gear in the middle of a
- 1:20:48convention like absurdity. What's that happening?
- 1:20:54It feels to me like they they brought back people who used to
- 1:20:58work on the game long ago and those people are saying, you
- 1:21:00know what was really cool? That we didn't Mop, we had three
- 1:21:03raids launched at once. It's going to be epic.
- 1:21:08Yeah, that's how it feels to me, is that people that are supposed
- 1:21:11to be coming back to be saviors are just trying to recreate the
- 1:21:14things that worked for them in The Burning Crusade or Wrath of
- 1:21:17the Lich King or miss a Pandaria before they handed the reins
- 1:21:20over and left the company and then came back to be our
- 1:21:22saviors. That's how it feels to me.
- 1:21:25But I don't know. I, I don't, I don't feel like
- 1:21:30Metson's making those calls. If Metson was like somebody that
- 1:21:35would the, the, the like vague sort of mold that you threw out
- 1:21:38there. I'm just saying I also.
- 1:21:42Was it a good Metson impression though?
- 1:21:43Was the impression good? It wasn't good enough to be
- 1:21:47legally inviting, I'll say that much.
- 1:21:51I do think, though, that a lot of people have been saying like,
- 1:21:56oh, I do miss when they had these, these raids, the layer of
- 1:22:00Malthurian or whatever, right? Like they, they were getting
- 1:22:04that feedback and they for a while they weren't doing that.
- 1:22:07They're like, you know what, fine, first rate of of of a
- 1:22:09tear. It doesn't matter as much.
- 1:22:11Let's let's do something like this.
- 1:22:15And you're right. What's going to count for the
- 1:22:18race the world first? You know what Blizzard has said
- 1:22:22that they don't design with the race the world first in mind and
- 1:22:26people keep saying oh they cater to this group, they cater to
- 1:22:28that group, they whatever. You're right, this is going to
- 1:22:31be a logistical nightmare for those race the world first
- 1:22:34teams. They are more likely going to
- 1:22:39have to do do part if not all of this remotely.
- 1:22:43And it will depend on like how quickly they can even clear
- 1:22:48through the 1st 7 bosses. Because if they are like taking
- 1:22:55let's say 12 days to clear through the 1st 7 bosses and
- 1:23:00then they've got to pick up and like get to location that like
- 1:23:07I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm saying that eats into their
- 1:23:10prep time. They want to be re farming this
- 1:23:13these raids and stuff getting ready.
- 1:23:15We have no idea if there's tear in this opening raids and if so,
- 1:23:21which bosses are dropping them. Like there's a lot of things
- 1:23:24that could like drastically change things.
- 1:23:27What does that mean for the Great Vault for those of us at
- 1:23:30home? If Tear doesn't show up in the
- 1:23:32raid until the March on Call donos opens up, can I still get
- 1:23:40charges in my catalyst before that opens up?
- 1:23:44Is it going to drop in the Great Vault before that opens up?
- 1:23:47There's a lot of things to even think about there.
- 1:23:52So like, I don't know, there's like it's going to be a lot of
- 1:23:59questions, a lot of logistical issues for those of us at home,
- 1:24:03for those of the people who are doing the race to World first,
- 1:24:07There are going to be a lot of questions even about like how
- 1:24:12they're doing the reward design in the boss drop tables.
- 1:24:16Like, am I going to suddenly have to create a new best in
- 1:24:23slot list two weeks later, because now these trinkets are
- 1:24:27available and to be ready for this, I should have done the
- 1:24:30best in slot trinkets from this raid.
- 1:24:32And now that this is opened, well, I've got to start farming
- 1:24:35this. I I think that yes, boohoo, race
- 1:24:40the world first, but we're all kind of sinking in this Titanic
- 1:24:44boat or just enjoying the chaos together.
- 1:24:47Not me. I'm on that door.
- 1:24:48I'm floating away to fellowship land.
- 1:24:55Well, I, I, I do hope that you enjoy Fellowship.
- 1:25:00I will complain about it's so little downtime between tears
- 1:25:03that I don't get to enjoy other games as much.
- 1:25:06I got to, I got to jump on and play peek.
- 1:25:08My friend bought that for me and I was like, oh, I really want to
- 1:25:11play it. Oh, I can't even raid tonight
- 1:25:14because my computer screwed up, but you know, such is life.
- 1:25:21That said, guys, we have links to the software download as well
- 1:25:27as another couple of interviews in our show notes.
- 1:25:30Those are available in the discord at bit dot LY slash fast
- 1:25:35discord when this show goes live, and we will be talking
- 1:25:39about all say as many of the other systems as we can in
- 1:25:43future episodes as well as because news is coming out so
- 1:25:46quickly, we're going to have some bonus episodes to try and
- 1:25:50get into other details about the upcoming expansion as well.
- 1:25:54So look out for for all of that coming towards you in the near
- 1:25:58future. And until next time, may all
- 1:26:01your hits be quits.