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JLo, Julia Roberts, Real Housewives Black Balled with Author Thea de Sousa · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: Heather MacDonald has got the Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 2: When you're on the road, when you're on the go,
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  Speaker 2: Juicy Scoop is the show to know. She talks Hollywood
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  Speaker 2: tales for real life.
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  Speaker 1: Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Saving Serial Data and Serial Sisters.
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  Speaker 3: You'll be addicted and addicted fast to the number one
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  Speaker 3: tabloid real life podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Listen in, listen up. Woo, woo. Heather MacDonald. Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Well, we had a
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  Speaker 2: wonderful weekend, Chris Frangiolla and I, doing shows for my
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  Speaker 2: Juicy Scoopers in Sacramento and San Francisco. And it was
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  Speaker 2: a really fun show. It combined stand-up with the hot topics.
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  Speaker 2: And at the end of the show in Sacramento and
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  Speaker 2: San Francisco, I ended with talking about Britney Spears, which
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  Speaker 2: I'll get to in a minute. But I just have
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  Speaker 2: to tell you the juiciest scoop that happened in San Francisco.
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  Speaker 2: So just as we're at the last topic, I hear
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  Speaker 2: these people screaming in the first couple rows and moving
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  Speaker 2: up and jumping around. And I'm like, oh my God,
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  Speaker 2: what's wrong? I don't know if there is somebody that's
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  Speaker 2: coming to attack them, if someone's getting in a physical fight.
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  Speaker 2: It was very scary. And they said, there's a rat.
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  Speaker 2: There's a rat running around. And I was like, oh, okay, well,
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  Speaker 2: do we know where it is? And I'm like asking.
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  Speaker 2: the security, the people that work there. And I guess
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  Speaker 2: I've never really dealt with like a rat. And so
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  Speaker 2: it's not like a bug that you could just squash
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  Speaker 2: or whatever and then be done with it. And so
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  Speaker 2: they kind of settled down, but then it moved to
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  Speaker 2: like another row. So then I continued to try to
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  Speaker 2: talk about Britney Spears and it moved to another row.
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  Speaker 2: And at this point, I've already, we've already done a
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  Speaker 2: show for an hour and a half. So I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 2: thank God at least this rat who was not on
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  Speaker 2: my Patreon VIP list. He or she did not have
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  Speaker 2: a lanyard. So I just was like, I think we
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  Speaker 2: just need to end the show. I don't know who
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  Speaker 2: sent the rat. I don't know what was going on
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  Speaker 2: with the rat. So we ended the show early. Not
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  Speaker 2: a little early, but anyway, we got to it. But
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  Speaker 2: it was so funny because it was really interesting hearing
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  Speaker 2: all the different accounts because then when I did my
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  Speaker 2: meet and greet, I saw the one girl that originally
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  Speaker 2: was scared about the rat and she's like, it was huge.
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  Speaker 2: It was disgusting. When I talked to the first girl
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  Speaker 2: who coincidentally Chris made a joke about because she had
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  Speaker 2: her hair, a very pretty girl, brown hair with like
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  Speaker 2: a low bun and she had like a bodysuit on
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  Speaker 2: and a tan sweater. And when she got up, cause
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  Speaker 2: she was the most freaked out by the rat, Chris
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  Speaker 2: was like, wait, weren't you the girl on the plane
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  Speaker 2: that saw the, it the person who was a shapeshifter alien.
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  Speaker 4: And it really did look like her.
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  Speaker 2: So that was kind of funny. But anyway, she said
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  Speaker 2: that the rat was a big black rat. These other
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  Speaker 2: three girls said, no, it was actually really cute. It
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  Speaker 2: was gray and little and it seemed scared.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, I have heard from some juicy scoopers that they
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  Speaker 2: were aware that the theater handled it very humanely. They
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  Speaker 2: did capture the mouse. They're going to call it a
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  Speaker 2: mouse because we don't know how it identifies. Took the
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  Speaker 2: mouse and then put it outside, which this theater was
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  Speaker 2: beautiful and there was wildlife and like a little pond
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  Speaker 2: and released it into the wild. So just so you know.
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  Speaker 2: But that was the first time that's ever happened to me.
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  Speaker 2: And the people that worked at the Palace of Fine
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  Speaker 2: Arts Theater said they've been there for 12 years. That's
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  Speaker 2: never happened. So leave it to me to have them
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  Speaker 2: break history. But Chris and I had a great time.
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  Speaker 2: I loved my outfit. And that's all that matters. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so getting back to Britney Spears. So Britney Spears, you know,
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  Speaker 2: danced with the knives, okay? Which I also did. That
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  Speaker 2: was the finale. I had Brandon go out and buy
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  Speaker 2: me some fake knives before I left on the plane
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  Speaker 2: to go to Sacramento.
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  Speaker 4: And I would dance as Britney with the knives.
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  Speaker 2: So I still got to do that, even though the
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  Speaker 2: rat and the rat got to see that for free. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: or the mouse. So... Britney Spears posts this photo of
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  Speaker 2: a ballerina on knives, like her toes on knives. And
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  Speaker 2: she writes this. Is it a joke in the news
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  Speaker 2: again with a welfare check? So I guess they sent
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  Speaker 2: over the sheriff's department for a welfare check. They did
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  Speaker 2: not see her, but they talked to people that were
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  Speaker 2: there and they were assured that she is fine.
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  Speaker 4: Come on, America. We're cooler than that, right?
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  Speaker 2: The officers came to my home and said they would
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  Speaker 2: not leave until they spoke to me as people do.
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  Speaker 4: Four minute performances with them. Don't understand that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm getting an apology. I've been bullied in my house
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  Speaker 2: for so long now.
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  Speaker 4: It's enough.
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  Speaker 2: Don't talk about it. Come on, let's do as my
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  Speaker 2: mom does the silent treatment when paps ask her questions
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  Speaker 2: about her own daughter as if I'm in the wrong. Nope,
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  Speaker 2: it's an old game. People need to be responsible for
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  Speaker 2: their actions. It's about power for cops. This was a
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  Speaker 2: very hard message to understand. Couple questions. So does she
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  Speaker 2: want her mom to talk to the paparazzi? Or it
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  Speaker 2: sounds like she's mad that she doesn't talk to the
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  Speaker 2: paparazzi when it's about her own daughter. You know, you
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  Speaker 2: could stop the welfare checks by not doing weird shit
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  Speaker 2: for your 42 million followers.
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  Speaker 4: Like, it was scary.
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  Speaker 2: After you had these knives that sounded like real knives,
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  Speaker 2: you did have cuts on your body afterwards.
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  Speaker 4: She did have.
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  Speaker 2: Something on her, a bandage on her arm and a
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  Speaker 2: cut on her leg. And But I guess they were fake.
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  Speaker 2: They were bought at some propped house, like a prop house,
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  Speaker 2: and they've sold out. The knives I bought from the
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  Speaker 2: spirit stores that Brandon got me were plastic. So there
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  Speaker 2: you go.
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  Speaker 4: So I don't know who these four.
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  Speaker 2: People are because I heard that the gardener that she
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  Speaker 2: was living with who moved in his ex-wife and children
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  Speaker 2: at her house for a few weeks, he is out
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  Speaker 2: of the picture. So I don't know who the four
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  Speaker 2: other people are. And she did have a ghostwriter apparently
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  Speaker 2: help her with the book. So that is coming out
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  Speaker 2: in October. I loved Taylor Swift's outfit. She wore these
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  Speaker 2: really cute jeans that have already sold out. They're jean shorts.
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  Speaker 4: With similar boots to what I had on.
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  Speaker 2: So gotcha, girl. And she went with Blake Lively and
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  Speaker 2: her husband. I can't think of her husband's name.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway, they're good friends.
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  Speaker 2: I think that... At least, I don't know if they
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  Speaker 2: went to the game, but Sophie Turner, who is the
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  Speaker 2: ex-wife-to-be of the Jonas brother, that whole divorce has been
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  Speaker 2: going on. She has now proven to the judge that
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  Speaker 2: as a couple, they had agreed that their main home
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  Speaker 2: would be in England. And she proved that because he
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  Speaker 2: wrote a letter to an owner of a house that
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  Speaker 2: he wanted to buy saying, We love your home. We
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  Speaker 2: want to buy it. This is where we plan to
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  Speaker 2: have our children be raised and where they go to school.
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  Speaker 2: So right now they're fighting over where the main home
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  Speaker 2: would be, like New York or the States or England.
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  Speaker 2: She wants England. And she said that was always the plan.
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  Speaker 2: So she presented that with the court. So that was
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  Speaker 2: kind of interesting.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I think they won. I don't know if they won
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  Speaker 2: the game or not. But anyway, she was there looking cute.
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  Speaker 2: Hugging the mom again in the box. Oh, and Hugh
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  Speaker 2: Jackman went. New single Hugh Jackman. You know, he's getting
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  Speaker 2: forced out for 27 years. And so it looked like
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  Speaker 2: a fun group of people. They had the good seats. Also,
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  Speaker 2: the U2 concert went on in Las Vegas at the
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  Speaker 2: Incredible Sphere. Look it up.
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  Speaker 4: It looks incredible, the concert.
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  Speaker 2: And Oprah was there and Jeff Bezos and his girlfriend,
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  Speaker 2: fiancee Lauren Sanchez. All the stars were there, and it
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  Speaker 2: looked really cool. So all these things were happening this weekend.
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  Speaker 2: Also happening this weekend, Bethany interviewed NeNe. It was a
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  Speaker 2: two-parter on her podcast. It didn't really get the kind
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  Speaker 2: of buzz that I kind of thought it would be,
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  Speaker 2: and I think it's because NeNe has revealed a lot
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  Speaker 2: of that already on Carlos King's podcast. And it was
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  Speaker 2: kind of interesting because they're both talking, and you know
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  Speaker 2: how Bethany always likes to do all the analogies where
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  Speaker 2: she's like, I didn't burn down the house. I lit
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  Speaker 2: a fire in the fireplace. I plan on coming back
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  Speaker 2: for a hot chocolate. I don't know when that would be,
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  Speaker 2: but I was willing to throw the ball and have
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  Speaker 2: somebody else catch it outside in the backyard near a pool.
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  Speaker 2: That's how we play the game. Like her analogies are
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  Speaker 2: just insane. But anyway, so they're talking about housewives and
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  Speaker 2: they get in this one moment where they're really kind
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  Speaker 2: of bragging about who was the more popular podcast host.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, who is a more popular housewife and who
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  Speaker 2: made more? And Bethany's like, well, we're a little bit
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  Speaker 2: different because I left. They begged for me to come back.
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  Speaker 2: I left.
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  Speaker 4: They begged for me to come back. And that's why
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  Speaker 4: they offered me so much money.
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  Speaker 2: And I made several thousands of dollars, several thousands, several
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  Speaker 2: millions of dollars. That's what I made. I made several
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  Speaker 2: millions of dollars. And then Nene's like, you made several millions?
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  Speaker 2: And she's like, yeah, didn't you make the same as me?
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  Speaker 2: And she's like, not millions. I mean... I made a million,
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  Speaker 2: but you made more than one million, right? I mean, I, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but did you make several? Well, no, I didn't make several.
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  Speaker 2: I made like more than one though. Wouldn't you agree
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  Speaker 2: that you did that too? I mean, it was, and
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  Speaker 2: it was really not being that well-received because a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people just heard two of the most successful, you know,
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  Speaker 2: wealthiest housewives kind of boohooing about where their careers are
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  Speaker 2: now and how Bravo has screwed them over. Some of
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  Speaker 2: the things, I thought were interesting is things nobody thought
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  Speaker 2: of when their show started 15 years ago is, of course,
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  Speaker 2: that there'd be all these streaming services, Peacock, Hey You,
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  Speaker 2: and other countries where their shows would be played and
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  Speaker 2: they would not get it done. but also the merchandise
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  Speaker 2: and the memes and their image, like, you know, on
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  Speaker 2: stickers and things like that, that they don't get any
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  Speaker 2: money for. And NeNe really does have the most iconic
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  Speaker 2: memes and lines and her voice is used on TikToks
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  Speaker 2: and stuff, but a lot of people's songs and voices
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  Speaker 2: are used on TikToks and nobody gets money for that.
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  Speaker 2: So it is kind of a hard thing to figure
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  Speaker 2: out today, but that was interesting. And then she said
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  Speaker 2: she and Andy, she realized now we're not very good
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  Speaker 2: friends that looking back, the only time they ever talked
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  Speaker 2: was about housewives and whether she was coming back or not.
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  Speaker 2: She only went to one party at his house 10
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  Speaker 2: years ago, like a holiday party. And she was invited
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  Speaker 2: to his baby shower through Kyle Richards, but she thought
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  Speaker 2: it would be, you know, every, every housewife trying to
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  Speaker 2: show up each other and who is the more popular person.
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  Speaker 4: And she didn't even want, she just passed on it.
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  Speaker 2: Even though she was in LA at the time and
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  Speaker 2: was free that afternoon, She said, no, I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to be around this housewife circus. And I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 2: if you were a real friend, wouldn't you have just
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  Speaker 2: gone to the baby shower to support your friend who's
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  Speaker 2: becoming a parent?
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: But then NeNe keeps saying, I've been blackballed. I used
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  Speaker 2: to have all these opportunities to host shows, to have
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  Speaker 2: TV shows, to have radio shows and podcasts.
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  Speaker 4: And they've all dried up.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it's basically I've been blackballed because Bravo's
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  Speaker 2: mad at me because I have complained saying, I haven't
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  Speaker 2: gotten fair treatment, but mostly the women of color on
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  Speaker 2: our cast didn't get the same treatment as the white
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  Speaker 2: woman on the cast and all of that.
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  Speaker 4: And so I was like, what?
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  Speaker 2: She never really says what, where, what specifically did she
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  Speaker 2: think she was getting blackballed on? Because she had a
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  Speaker 2: pilot to do a talk show with Wendy Williams production company.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't her production company, but the same production company
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  Speaker 2: that did her show was going to do a a
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  Speaker 2: talk show pilot with she and Tom Arnold, which I
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  Speaker 2: think is a really strange combination. And it didn't go,
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  Speaker 2: the pilot didn't go and it didn't get picked up. Well,
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  Speaker 2: that happens all the time. Maybe it wasn't a great idea, whatever,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you pick, they pick up a bunch of ideas.
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  Speaker 2: Then they only issue money to do a handful of pilots.
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  Speaker 2: And then from there, only a few go. So I
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  Speaker 2: was like, listen, girl, All these opportunities came maybe 2014, 2015,
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  Speaker 2: those years that you were really, really popular. And there
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  Speaker 2: were times when I came off of my TV show,
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  Speaker 2: I had more opportunities and they dried up. And so
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: I built Juicy Scoop. Like that happens. Even Reese Witherspoon said,
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  Speaker 2: I stopped getting the movie roles. That's why I now
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  Speaker 2: have this huge production company and give other women, you know,
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  Speaker 2: opportunities to direct and act in things. It doesn't always
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  Speaker 2: continue and it doesn't necessarily mean that a group of
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  Speaker 2: 10 people got together in Hollywood and was like, let's
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  Speaker 2: never hire Nene. I just think that's stupid. But one
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  Speaker 2: thing I do think is interesting that I heard from
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  Speaker 2: a very good source is apparently one thing she hasn't said,
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  Speaker 2: this is alleged, is that she did have a deal
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  Speaker 2: in which she was talking and was very close to
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  Speaker 2: closing a deal with doing a show on Sirius. And
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  Speaker 2: what this person told me, allegedly, is that she had
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  Speaker 2: a conversation with Andy about how she was going to
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  Speaker 2: get a show on Sirius too. And he was a
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  Speaker 2: little bit like, really? Wow. Oh, okay. They're, they're giving
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  Speaker 2: you a radio show. All right. Kind of surprised by it.
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  Speaker 2: And then within a week, the deal dried up and
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  Speaker 2: they were no longer interested. So I think that is
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  Speaker 2: suspect that people talk.
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  Speaker 4: It only takes one person.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Um, And now big deals aren't being
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  Speaker 2: done like that anyway. So even if she was to
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  Speaker 2: start a show, it wouldn't be what she could have
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  Speaker 2: gotten three or four years ago or even two years
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  Speaker 2: ago in the field of podcasting and radio.
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  Speaker 4: So I don't know what she's going to do.
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  Speaker 2: But one thing that Bethany said is she's like, I
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  Speaker 2: had a great idea for a TV show for you
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  Speaker 2: and I to do together.
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  Speaker 4: It was going to be called Ebony and Ivory.
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  Speaker 2: And you and I were going to go in an
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  Speaker 2: RV and I was going to take you to places
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  Speaker 2: that you know, people of color aren't used to going
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  Speaker 2: to like Nantucket.
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  Speaker 4: And you were going to take me to like places
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  Speaker 4: in the South.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that moment was pretty cringe. A, that that
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  Speaker 2: was the title. B, like, it doesn't even make sense
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  Speaker 2: because I'm like, you're two women and you have a
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  Speaker 2: lot in common. You should have focused on, okay, let's
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  Speaker 2: do something because we're two women who have a lot
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  Speaker 2: in common. We're wealthy. We're run on housewives. We're witty.
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  Speaker 2: We say funny lines. I think the least interesting thing
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  Speaker 2: about the two of you is the fact that you
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  Speaker 2: are different ethnicities. And why would you want to highlight
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  Speaker 2: on that? No wonder they didn't pick up that show.
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  Speaker 2: That is not because the industry hates you. That is
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  Speaker 2: just an awful idea. So those are my two cents.
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  Speaker 4: Meanwhile, Kyle.
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  Speaker 2: So Mauricio was approached coming out of Dancing with the Stars.
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  Speaker 2: He is still on the show. They got rid of
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  Speaker 2: this actor from Veep. He's the first to be cut,
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  Speaker 2: but he didn't do great on his score, but he's around.
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  Speaker 2: And he said, look, I want to know who leaked
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  Speaker 2: the story that Kyle and I were separated because we
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  Speaker 2: had not announced that. Nobody knew that, but very few
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  Speaker 2: people in our inner circle that we were separated and
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  Speaker 2: working on our marriage.
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  Speaker 4: No one has filed for.
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  Speaker 2: Divorce, but we are in fact separated. But I want
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  Speaker 2: to know who gave that story to People Magazine because
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  Speaker 2: if that is somebody in our inner circle or our employee,
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  Speaker 2: I want to know who it is because I want
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  Speaker 2: to fire them. That was very interesting. And then they
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  Speaker 2: stopped Kyle at an airport and asked her about it.
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  Speaker 2: And she's like, please, it's not interesting. Yes, we are separated.
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  Speaker 2: We are separated. We have been separated. Very upset. But
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  Speaker 2: one thing Mauricio did say is, There is no doubt
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  Speaker 2: in my mind that Kyle has not slept with or
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  Speaker 2: cheated with Morgan Wade. They are just really great friends.
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  Speaker 2: They are filming stuff together. They are doing things together.
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  Speaker 2: They are not in a relationship. Well, we saw the
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  Speaker 2: music video. I'm gonna make you love me. And they said, oh,
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  Speaker 2: we just played. We did this video and Kyle was
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  Speaker 2: in it. And it was about A lesbian moves into
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  Speaker 2: the neighborhood and is flirting with a housewife and they
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  Speaker 2: get real close and they feed each other food. And
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  Speaker 2: it's very, you know, in their bathtub together and all
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  Speaker 2: this stuff. And so I'm like, so is it what
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  Speaker 2: or or was this like I said, she dropped the crumbs.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: She got us talking that she and Morgan had something
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: going on. and that her marriage wasn't going that great
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: to get us interested in Morgan's music in which now
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: she is doing a documentary about Morgan and her life
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: and her music and everything. Nobody I know had heard
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: of Morgan Wade before she was seen with Kyle working
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: out and sitting on her lap on a private jet. So,
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: but here she is in page six saying that they
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: found her. She was comforted by some friends while they
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: were on a hike. or something.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: So it, that seems a little suspicious too, that they
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: found her there, but maybe what they.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: Followed her off the airport.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: This is sad. You guys, everyone loved this couple.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: Jody Turner Smith has filed for divorce from Joshua Jackson
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: on Monday after nearly four years of marriage.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: And I believe they have a child.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: We don't know why all the reports are just, you know,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: pulling up interviews in which they declared their love for
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: each other. Everyone loved them. They were a gorgeous couple and,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Just sad. Meanwhile, Kim and Corey, Kim tried to get
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: the divorce thrown out.
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: She's like, he filed for divorce.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: She asked the judge, throw it out.
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: Why?
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Because we're still living under the same roof and we're boning.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: We're boning all the time. The judge said, no, I'm
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: allowing the divorce to go forward because of hardship.
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: You guys can live in the same house.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: However, he gets the master bed with the with a
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: good mattress because he has, I assume because he has
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: like some NFL injury, she has to go down to
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: the basement in the maid's quarters and live. They'll share
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: the kitchen. She and Brielle have to share a Range Rover.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know what their other cars are. He only
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: gets $ 4, 500 a month from his pension. She only declared $ 5, 000
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: a month from some like Instagram clickbait type of a thing.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: And She did do Surreal Life. I don't know what
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: they get from that show. I'm guessing not more than $ 100, 000,
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: if that. So I don't know if she gets to
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: keep that for herself. The house is upside down and
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: in foreclosure. And it also was revealed in the court
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: that she has borrowed even more money from her personal friend.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: She's gambled hundreds of thousands of dollars away, which she
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: can prove over the last couple of years, which he
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: claims is why they're in this financial strait.
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: But they were.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Getting it on. And I just think that's amazing when
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: a couple breaks up and they're getting a divorce, but
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: they're still sleeping together. To me, I'm like, you should
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: try to make this work. Anyway, people were shocked. This
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: is from the good, the bad, and the fake. Because
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: he has a beard, Croy, and his hair is dark now.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: Like, it definitely looks like he dyed it.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: And he looks good but he just looks unrecognizable so
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: that was kind of interesting the car is beautiful where
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: did you end up going for it.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: This exclusive place that dad has connections with they have
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: You have to put me in touch what's it called it's.
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Dune ADL where Doonay DL? There's an accent on the E.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: Do you mean.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, I got it on Dundale Cars.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: Lift?
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Please. You're going past Kimmage. Oh, Kimmage.
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: No.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Dundale Cars. You couldn't possibly go anywhere else.
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: have faced tremendous setbacks and yet somehow have found a
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: I'm heading to the Emmys and I have police complaints
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: filed against me.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: what would you do if it was given back?
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: Where did that need come from where you thought that
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: He said, I have a work dad.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: I need a home dad. What happens next?
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: When I came in, he started crying.
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: happens next.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: I decided to risk it all. I realized how valuable
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: every day was. You're worth the work. Listen, Dara, I'm
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: not going to pull punches. You can use your voice
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: even if it's shaped.
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Also on The Real Housewives of Potomac, Mia and Gordon,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: she filed for divorce. She's only 37. He's 71. They
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: have two kids together. And, you know, in the upcoming season,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: she's like, yeah, maybe I did marry him for his money.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: I can't remember what their story was, but I mean,
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: it's not a shock. They are such a huge age difference.
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: And they were having money trouble. They had all these
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: the joint chiropractic places and something happened with one of
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: their relatives getting involved or she not being able to
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: run it. So that doesn't help. And then she's on
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: the show and feeling her oats. And so, hey, it's,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: I can't even, I would need someone to count up
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: how many divorces have happened in the Real Housewives franchise.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Last I checked, it was almost at 30. So I'm
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: not sure. Meanwhile, Kourtney, the show is on, the Hulu
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: show of Keeping Up With The Kardashians And there is
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: this fight that is so awful.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: And they're on the phone.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: And they fought about Kourtney feeling that Kim stole her
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: wedding look with her Dolce & Gabbana lingerie look of
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: her wedding. And Kim was like, I'm not. They asked
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: me to do it. And that was the look I wanted.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: And so they are back. And they're on the phone.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: And Kourtney's like, you weren't happy for me at my wedding.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: You complained the whole time in Italy. You just are
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: not happy for you. And she's like, why would you
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: think so little of me, Courtney, that I'm not happy
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: for you? She goes, you're the one who's not happy.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: And all your friends think it. We have a side
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: group chat called Not Courtney where we all talk about
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: you and how unhappy you seem and how much you
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: have changed. Well, that was a real trigger for me
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: to think that people that you think are your close
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: friends are talking behind your back. So once this episode aired,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: some of Courtney's close friends Simon Huck being one of
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: them started getting DMS from people like, are you part
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: of this, this text group going and talking shit about Courtney?
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: So she has now confirmed Courtney. No, I don't believe
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: any of my friends are part of it. Who's part
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: of it are my sisters. The only people that are
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: part of it are Kendall, Kylie, Chloe, and Kim. So
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: she has kind of protected her friends, but I thought
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: that was awful. And even if it was true, I'm like,
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: what's she supposed to do with that now? Now realize
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: she has no friends either. She already has to deal
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: with you. Anyway, she had her old fashioned Disneyland baby
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: shower and Kim posted a bunch of photos and she
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: wrote like, oh, thank you.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: It was such a beautiful shower.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: Thank you. So, of course, they're back together. But this
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: gets people watching. And it was honestly kind of a
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: really interesting thing to talk about because. To remind you,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: her now husband, Travis Barker, did date Kim Kardashian and
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: wrote about it in his book. And it didn't totally
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: say that they boned in the book, but Audrey O'Day
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: had said it.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: Other people have said it.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: His wife thought there was more going on, Shanna Moakler,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: when he was hanging out with Kim. But they were
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: dating supposedly on a time that they had a break.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: So some people feel like it's a real resentment. between
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: the two girls because they both have dated the same guy.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: And one ended up marrying him.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Does Courtney have a chip on her shoulder about the
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: fact that he was infatuated with Kim years ago and
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: wrote about her? Or is Kim a little jealous of
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: the mad devotion that Travis has for his sister when
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: she is single and not currently in love? But they
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: do say that she's hanging out with Tom Brady, so
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: that's pretty good. Real Housewives of New York City. This
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: is what they wore for the reunion. Some people think
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: it's great that Jenna Lyons, who is by far the
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: favorite of this new cast, wore jeans, wore jeans and,
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: you know, just a blazer with just like a tie
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: and some tits hanging out. But this show was the
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: only thing interesting about this show last night was this girl, Jessel,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: who hasn't had sex with her husband in a year
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: and a half, was talking about like, let's have sex.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: And he still was not really interested. And she wore
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: this lingerie and he was like, OK, we have to
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: do this now. And then she said, oh, yeah, he's
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: going away. She tells Sai, he's going away. He's going
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: to Vietnam. He always goes to Vietnam a couple times
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: a year. And she goes, oh, what kind of businesses
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: he has in Vietnam? That's kind of weird. She goes, oh, no,
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: he just goes for miles. He just gets on a
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: plane from New York and goes to Vietnam to collect
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: miles so that we can go.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: On other trips.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: So the guy that you're never having sex with, who's
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: your husband, happens to go to Vietnam and a couple
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: times a year to up his status on United. So, um,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: so I thought that was weird. And also Cy and
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: she are still competing with who had the saddest childhood.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: All these people, this whole season is about who had
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: a sadder, more depressing childhood. And they're going toe for
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: toe about it. Um, real houses of Salt Lake city
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: was fantastic. It was great. It's everything I wanted. And, um,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys know, but Meredith has
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: a caviar line. That's right. I have a caviar line.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Seth and I love caviar. And I have a pearl
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: spoon that you could buy with it. She really hasn't
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: pushed it yet. So I predict there'll be a party
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: celebrating this caviar.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: And I don't know.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: When I think of caviar and the people that really
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: know caviar, I wouldn't think that it would be someone
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: in Utah wearing a Brooks Merck sweatsuit while she separates
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: the um the eggs from the fish i i don't
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: know but i did see her eating it at the
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: tricksy motel and i do feel like caviar is the
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: new thing that housewives are pushing it used to be
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: pinot grigio and wines and alcoholic drinks now it's all
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: about caviar and you really can't make it at a
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: cheap level though like even this is a small thing
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: that's like 400 so who knows But they did not
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: want to get ready in the Trixie Mattel makeup and hair.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: Only a few of them did. And Meredith is like,
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: I have a splitting headache.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: How dare you, Whitney, weaponize a small child's illness because
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to wear drag makeup. And then.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: And then Lisa Barlow was like, I don't want to.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: I don't like that for me. I don't want to
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: wear the makeup. I don't. I brought my own makeup artist,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: and she could do like a bright lip, but I don't.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: I don't. And then they show Meredith getting her makeup
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: done from the girl that she brought, and the editors
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: did a photo, like the light coming in, and it
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: was so not flattering to beautiful Lisa, and I definitely
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: think they were doing her dirty. They think that they're
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: not happy with her this season. Maybe they felt... They
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: really wanted her to wear the Trixie Mattel makeup, and
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: they're like, oh, we got you, girl. Oh, no, it's fine.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: It's fine. Have your makeup girl do your own pretty makeup,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: and you don't participate. Can we just film you while
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: you do it? Not nice. And then Mary, of course,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: didn't participate in anything, and she was like, well, I'll
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: tell you something, little girl. I don't want to do
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: the makeup either.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: She didn't do the makeup either.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: So there you go. Now, you guys, I'm excited. I'm
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: going to get right to it. Let's enjoy our guest.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: This is such a fun book that I'm going to
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: tell you all about. It's the Real Housewives Ultimate Trivia book,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: but so much juice I'm going to get from my
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: next guest about Hollywood and back in the day when
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: she worked for J-Lo and Julie Roberts. So here is
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: a real fun interview with my friend Thea. Hello and
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have a fun one for you.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: I have the book that you're going to want to
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: buy for yourself, for your friends, for everybody.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: I have Thea De.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: Say your last name.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Thea de Souza.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: She runs a really great Instagram account that I've talked
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: about called Your Moms Are Watching. But she came up
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: with this book, The Real Housewives, the ultimate trivia book.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: I already started to do it. The first chapter is
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Orange County. I've gotten 100%.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: This is so fun.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: How are you?
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: Welcome to Juicy Scoop.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: I'm great.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: to be here.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: So give me a little bit of a background of.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Your Hollywood background, how you got into The Housewives, and
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: the thought about this book.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: Which is a hit, which is going to be a
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: huge hit.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: So I was a development girl in Hollywood. So that
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: means you find projects for producers to act and direct, whatever.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, actors to produce, whatever. So I worked for
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Julia Roberts and Jennifer Lopez.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: Now, what years were this?
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: This is all leading up to 2001. So I started
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: in Hollywood in 1998 as Mike Myers and Keanu Reeves' assistant.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: And then I went to I did talent for a year,
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: so I worked at Three Arts.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: They represent... Oh, God, Three Arts was such a hot spot.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: So I was Erwin Stoff's assistant. So he's the president
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: of the company. And so I worked very hard for
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: those actors. And I was, like, basically their assistant, you know,
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: going to get Keanu a can opener, you know, all
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: that stuff.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Is Keanu... Still, in your opinion, the nicest guy in Hollywood.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: My friend Jeanette has worked for him for 25 years.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: So I know all about him and he couldn't be nicer.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: He could not.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: So I just sent a TikTok to my husband because
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: I just thought it was so funny. And someone did
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: a TikTok on all the photos that he's taken throughout
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: the years where he won't touch the women's backs. Oh,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: I've seen that TikTok.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: So it's like a little bit.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: He's too respectful to even put his hand.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: And he's too smart.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: He's too smart because even just doing that, someone could
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: then do a TikTok about, so here's my picture with
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Keanu and like look at his hand. And they're taking
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: pictures so fast and oftentimes these guys don't mean to
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: grab a side tit, but it happens.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: When I worked for him, he had just done The
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: Devil's Advocate and he was about to do The Matrix.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: And I literally, Heather, he called me up one day.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: This is Keanu to a T. I don't do impressions
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: like you do, but.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: He's like, Thea. is it me, Keanu?
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: I was walking down the street and this guy comes
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: up to me and he's like, Keanu, that acting in
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: The Devil's Advocate was amazing. I mean, I never really
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: thought of you as an actor. And then he's like
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: crying to me. He goes, what does that mean? You
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: didn't think of me as an actor. And I was like, well,
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: Keanu was complimenting you. He was, yeah, but he said,
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: this was the first time I've ever seen you act.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: And I was trying to explain to him how that's
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: a compliment because you're just yourself and your movies and
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: He was practically crying.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: It's amazing. The backhanded compliments that come in this business from, honestly,
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: real fans. They just don't realize it. I just had
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: someone tell me who is definitely well-known that he said,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: you know, this guy thinks he's being a friend, but
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: I heard him on his podcast, and.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: He's like, this person, his name, is the funniest person ever.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: That is not known. And he's like, I think I
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: am a little bit known. Like I, Yeah, it's always
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: that kind of thing. I'm not a nobody. Right, yeah,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: that is really funny. Yeah, he's very sweet.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: So he's very sweet, and he was at the time,
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: his girlfriend had just died. His sister had leukemia, and
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: he was taking care of her. He was living in
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: the Chateau Marmont, but we moved him into a house
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: so he could take care of his sister.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, who are you? He was just the.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Sweetest, for sure. So everyone always asks me, who's the
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: nicest person you've ever worked for?
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: And he's like, beyond. I think I also saw like
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: a funny, like, fake news report, like funny meme that
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: was like, and in, you know, in shocking news or
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: something like Keanu Reeves still continues to be the nicest
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: person in Hollywood, like in unshocking news or something.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: Like the way that he acts is not a celebrity
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: because even the nicest celebrities still have to put walls
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: up and, you know, just for the protection. Like Julia
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: is a nice person, but she's so protected and so
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: scared of getting screwed over that you might think she
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: wasn't nice. But Keanu doesn't care. He's got no walls
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: and he's just the sweetest.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: With Julia Roberts, were you with her during the breakup
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: with Kiefer Sutherland?
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: Benjamin.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: So she was breaking up with Benjamin.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: She'd won the Oscar?
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: I started the day after she won her Oscar. So
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: she won the Oscar on a Sunday night and I
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: started working for her on Monday.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: Do you think she regrets wearing that weird 1960s hairpiece
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: to win her Oscars? No, she never regrets anything. I
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: regret it for her because I feel like that, you know,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: she's so known for her hair. Right. To this day. Right.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: And whether she straightens it out or wears it curly
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: or whether it's more blonde or more red, she just
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: has that hair.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: And I feel like at those monumental moments in your life,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: That's just not the time, like your wedding day, to
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: like try a weird look. Same with Kate Hudson. Remember
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: when she was nominated? Did she win? I don't know,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: but she wore this like weird, you know, and the
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: hair was like a weird curly that she didn't do.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: And she wore like this weird outfit. And I'm like,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: you just should have worn, you know, like your flowy
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: blonde hair and like a sexy, like slinky dress.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Well, Heather, you know how it is. They are not
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: making these decisions. Her team is making all the decisions.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Julia actually, of all the people I've ever worked with,
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: cares the least about her appearance of anyone. I will
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: never forget walking down Fifth Avenue with her. Two days
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: after she won her Oscar, she had like a banana
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: clip in her hair and a jean jacket. And not
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: one person even blinked. And because she doesn't do nothing,
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: she's very, guys, girl, I don't need that stuff. So
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: I bet you a million dollars she didn't have any
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: input and didn't care.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: I know it sounds crazy. How could you not care
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: what you look like? But she doesn't.
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: I have a theory that the biggest stars from the nineties, she,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Pamela Anderson, it's because they had such great lips, teeth,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: and smile, which back then couldn't be recreated. So you
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: come across someone like a Pamela Anderson, perfect teeth, smile,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: or her. And you're like, that's a star because it's
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: because you didn't see it on everybody. So now speaking
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: of the housewives, you know, everybody has the big giant
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: pearly whites and they look, I think they look good
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: on people. I mean, I know some people think people
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: go too far, but when you look at the previous
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: teeth and you look at the post-housewife teeth, I'm sorry
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: it looks better.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: I feel like women carry it off better than men. Men,
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: sometimes when the glaring veneers come out and I'm like, whoa,
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: what the? That kind of shocks me a little bit.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: Just the fact they went through that kind of trouble
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: and then they just don't blend as well as with
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: the women. Women, I feel like they are doing other
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: stuff and it's all getting blended. And men just walk
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: out and you're like, whoa, new teeth.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: Getting back to Julia, I do have some questions.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: So were you working with her when she started to
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: date her now husband, who was married to the makeup
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: artist Vera, or Veena? What was her name? Vera. Vera.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Can you give us any scoop on that? I mean,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: now listen, it obviously worked out. They've been together 21 years.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: They have two kids. But it was a scandal, and
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: it's all... You can look it up in the tabloids.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: I'm not bringing up anything that... Right. And she wore, like,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: a shirt that said, Hello, Vera.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: And she was a makeup artist that actually... lived very
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: close to where we are right now. Right. And I
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: knew this is kind of juicy. So I knew a
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: mom back when our kids were little who was a writer.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Then she was just a mom and she wanted to
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: get back in writing and she knew her and she
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: wrote a fictional book from like a fictional story about
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: this from, from her opinion of what is it like
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: when you're, kind of below the line, which is what
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: we call people in the industry that are the prop master,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: the stunt man, the assistant, the camera. And her guy
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: was a cameraman, not a director, a cameraman, like a
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: worker that gets trained. A lot of them are grandfathered in. Literally,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: their grandfather was part of the union, whatever. And she
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: was a makeup artist, and they had a nice life
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: living in a middle-class, nice home in Woodland Hills. And
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: then they he met her on the set, I guess,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: and they fell in love. And they didn't have any kids.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Not that that, you know, makes it any less devastating.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: I don't want to be like Bethany Frankel who said
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: that Ariana shouldn't be so sad because she didn't have
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: a kid with Tom Sandoval. But, so she wrote this
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: fictional book that was published and stuff.
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: I don't really know that it made it, but it
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: was kind.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: Of a juicy, did people know that that's what it
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: was about?
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: I think she just, like, I was on Chelsea Lately
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: at the time and she and I remember okay speaking
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: of this okay I remember like I was like oh
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: my god you finished your book and I'm on Chelsea
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: Lately and she's like a mom at the school right
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: I'm like you finished your book that is so great
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: you know let me know if you want me to
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: post about it this is before Instagram but there was
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: definitely Twitter we were like hot on all of us
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: were hot on Twitter and we'd like post about on
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Twitter all the time the Chelsea Lately people and she goes.
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: Okay, this is how you can buy it.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: You gotta buy this Lincoln, which is fine. But I
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: was kind of like, why wouldn't you have dropped one
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: off at my fucking doorstep? Like I live down the
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: street from you. I know she wanted to buy a
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: sale and I'm not being like cheap about it. I'm
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: just saying like, if you want somebody to promote your thing,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: make it really easy for them.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: Send it to them, hand it to them.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: You know, I know you maybe, it's not about the $ 8.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: It's just about me being like, okay, wait a minute.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Now I've got to get my purse, get my credit
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: card out. go get the thing.
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: And I honestly say I think I maybe never read it.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Now I'm kind of curious.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: Well, here's my experience. I remember I was at her office.
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: I'd only been there a month or two. And I
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: was given a camera, the old cameras, the disposable, remember
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: those days? And I had to bring it to the
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: photo place. The one-hour photo. I had to pull it
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: off the machine myself. Nobody else was allowed to because
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: they didn't want anyone to see the pictures of her
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: and Danny doing the tequila body shots off each other.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: I pulled the pictures off. They said, no one can
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: look at these. And I was like in a cab
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: with these pictures in my hand.
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: But she just wanted them for her memories.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: Right, yeah.
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: And I was like shaking because I was like, at
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: this point, the speculation was everywhere. Like, who is Julia
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: going to date next? Like, her and Benjamin are over.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Who's the next guy? So we had people calling our office. Oh,
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: I want to set Julia up on a date with
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: this person and that person. And here I am with
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: these photos that she was already dating someone, but no
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: one knew yet. And I was, because she had just broken.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Up with Benjamin. So it was clear there was an overlapping.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: And I would just never forget that and thinking like
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: how many millions, like a million.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: I could have made a million.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: Let's be honest.
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: A million?
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: Probably.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Back in those days when it was like a hard
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: photo that the tabloids would pay for.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Right, right. I might have gotten a million.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: And he's married. And they're doing tequila body shots. And
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: her and Benjamin had just broken up and the pictures
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: were not from, they were from a little before.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: I was like, this is major.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: But I never gave them to anyone.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: I had someone just call me and be like, oh,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: I've got some, you know, I've got a major story
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: and a major celebrity, whatever. And I'm like, okay, well,
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: you know, do you want to tell me now? And
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: I can evaluate, like, if I want you to come
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: on the show or not. And if you say I
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: can't share it, then I won't share it, whatever. And
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: he's like, well, I'd like to get paid for this.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: I'll be honest. I want to make some monetary money
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: from it. I go, well, I don't pay for stories.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Out of curiosity, I'm like, so you should go to
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: like TMZ or something.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: Out of curiosity, what are you thinking of making?
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: Because you're going to make $ 250.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: He said a million. No, stop. And I go, definitely not.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: He goes, what about $ 750?
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: I'm like, no.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Not even close.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: What about like a couple hundred?
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: I'm like, no. And also your scoop isn't. And then
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: when I found out what the scoop was later, because
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: we still talked. It wasn't anything like definitive. I'm like,
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: we already think this person might be doing drugs. And
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: you're saying they are. Right. Great.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: That's 500.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: I would give them 500.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: It's not like you have like a person in office
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: or something that's like doing lines of cocaine off like,
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: you know, whatever. And then you're like, here's the photo
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: and here's the scoop. And we brought in three young boys.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I mean, something that would be scandalous about somebody.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: I'm like. Yeah, not a scandal.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: These are not the days where you're making a million,
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: but back then, for a picture, because.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: It was a digital.
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: Because that was the only way to get the scoop. Right,
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: and there was no paparazzi, whatever, like it is now.
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: This is obviously 2001.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: It would have been.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: A big deal.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: That's why they had me pull them off.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: There's a reason they didn't want the Photoshop person to
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: see them.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: And I just brought them back to the office, and
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: I was like, well, there goes my million-dollar chance. I'll
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: just take my $ 35, 000- a- year paycheck from you, Julia, and move on.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So then how did that job, what did you
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: do after that? So you were just there for a
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: couple of years?
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was there.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Were you there when they got married?
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: No.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: I was only there for a year because 9-11 happened
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: and we all spent that together. I worked on Made
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: in Manhattan.
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: So where were you in 9-11?
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: Elaine Goldsmith Thomas' apartment.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: You were in New York?
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was in New York at the office when
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: it happened. Julia lived two blocks away. She's doing.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: with like headphones on. Aerobics, that's a word. To her TV.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: And we're all just like, we got to get Julia
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: out of Manhattan. So we bought her an Escalade. We
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: filled it with supplies. We got her out. Tim Robbins
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: worked with us and he came up with like gas masks.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: He's like, the bridges are going to blow.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: And we're all like putting gas masks. It was like
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: a whole thing. And the whole day was about getting
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: Julia out of Manhattan because they're targeting these celebrities and
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: the bridges are wired and these crazy conspiracies. So I
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: spent the morning getting her out of town. And then
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: I walked up to Elaine's apartment. Our boss, Elaine Goldsmith Thomas,
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: who now produces with Jennifer Lopez. She was our, you know,
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: the head of Revolution Studios East. And we walked to
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: her apartment 80 blocks. Me and like the interns and
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: the staff and her assistants.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, I remember that Revolution Studios. Right. Revolution East.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: I worked with Rachel Horvitz, who is Adam Horvitz's sister.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: She's a producer.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: She's amazing.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Because I went out for, I was up. For the
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: talk show that Jennifer was producing that her sister was
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: going to be. It was going to be like the
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: younger view. Right. Or the hipper view. Oh, right. Before
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: the talk, the view had been out. The talk had
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: not come out. They were going to do this show
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: and it was going to be Jennifer's sister.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: What is her name?
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: Jennifer Lopez's sister.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you remember? I don't remember. Anyway.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: Starts with a C, right?
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: It was Jennifer Lopez's sister. And then like three, you know,
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: there'd be three or four of us.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: And I... I tested and I got the offer. And
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: it was like, you know, you get the offer before
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: you test.
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: So then it's like, if you get it, this is
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: what you'll make.
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: And anyway.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: And it never even happened.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: I think they did the pilot, but they didn't pick me,
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: which is usually what happens. And but I remember thinking
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: that was like, you know, kind of I thought it
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: was a good idea. And I liked the sister.
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: I thought she was cool.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: And I think that's when Jennifer was trying to produce
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: things and stuff. Right.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: Then Elaine went on to become her producing partner from Julia.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: So Elaine was Julia's agent. She discovered Julia in the
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: bowling alley with the boyfriend, the Sleeping with the Enemy guy, Patrick.
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: What's his name? Sleeping with the Enemy. Remember Julia's first boyfriend?
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: Patrick something.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Wait, wait, hold on.
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Jason Patrick.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Wait, she discovered Julia? So Julia hadn't even done the
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Mystic Pizza yet?
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: Nothing. She got her Mystic Pizza. Julia wanted to act.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: She had a boyfriend named Jason Patrick who did movies.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: Julia had never done anything.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: But her mom ran an acting school in Georgia. Right,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: but a school. That's not.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: Jason brought Julia to Bowl with his childhood friend, Elaine.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: In L.A.? No, New York. Brooklyn, whatever.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: They were all in Brooklyn. And Elaine said, who is
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: this girl? I swear in my life. And then Elaine,
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: she was working at William Morris. Elaine was an agent.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Brought her in.
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: Elaine completely discovered her.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: Got her Mystic Pizza.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: Like, completely discovered her in this bowling alley as Jason
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: Patrick's girlfriend.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: That's the story.
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: And then she was her agent for 25 years at
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: William Morris. And then she went on to be her
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: producing partner. And then left and went with J-Lo. Because
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: we did Made in Manhattan with J-Lo. So I worked
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: with Jen, like, all day, every day for three months.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: It was amazing.
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: Isn't it so interesting, like, how.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: It really can just be, you know, like you just
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: really can sometimes, back in those days, kind of be discovered.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: And you didn't go through the Yale acting school. And
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: you didn't then get commercials and then was on a
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: soap and then got a sitcom.
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: And then got the movies. I kind of feel like.
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: What's interesting is like, you know, especially being a young person, you.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Either get right into like the movie world, the A,
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: the top of the pyramid.
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: Otherwise, it's very hard to jump.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: No, you're just spinning your wheels. It's very hard to jump,
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: but everybody says, well, start with a commercial agent. You know,
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: this is back in our days. Start with a commercial
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: agent first. No, it's like you've got to get right
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: in there.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: And then hope you get lucky that someone says, oh,
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: you have something.
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's where nepotism... and who.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: You date and who you know really is true.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: And so, you know, it.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: Really, it really does help. The trust thing, as you know,
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: is big now, even now.
• 47:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: Because if you know someone already, then you can be,
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: you're in the circle.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: So dating or coworker or someone that used to work,
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: you wish to work with, like they're the circle of
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: people you trust and that's what you're going to use.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: And so she was in the circle from being his,
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: girlfriend so it wasn't some rando that you can't count
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: on you just right right even now it's the same
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: I as all the celebrities I know they just stay
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: with the same people because it's all about trust we're
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: not going to hire some new person that just you
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: know sent me the resume on the internet like if
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: it's your brother or your cousin or whoever I'm going
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: to hire them because you know them and because.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: And I think it's the same thing with every industry
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: I say that too like when people talk about nepotism
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: and everything I'm like yeah and if you're you know,
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: and if your dad and your grandpa were plumbers and
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: they have a really successful plumbing business, like you're going to,
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: you probably are going to want to be a plumber.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: And then like, and you're probably going to hire your
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: high school friend to work at the plumbing place. Like, like,
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, it does happen in other industries where it
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: is about knowing people and it isn't just finding someone blindly.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: And even you, Heather, you use a lot of the
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: people on here that you've worked with before because you
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: know them and you know they're solid and they're going
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: to give a good show. And I mean, you took
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: a chance on me today, but. And so people could say, oh,
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: you know, it's just the same people. But it's because
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: you trust them. You know what they're going to give you.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: And that's important.
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: When you're creating content, you don't want some firecracker. It's
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: going to come on and blow up your show. No,
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Okay. So then you worked with J-Lo. Were you with
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: J-Lo during any of the Ben Affleck season one term?
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Chris and her were married and he was with her every.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: Chris the dancer.
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: Every second of the day. Husband number one.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: Yes, he was with her every second. All the meetings
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: we had, Chris would be like with his big sneakers
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: up on the thing, like stretch out, giving us, you know,
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: just not speaking, but like Jennifer, me, Elaine, Julia, whoever.
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: And he would just be there. And he was very,
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: very good to look at. Like his skin glowed. But
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: he wasn't the, wait, she had a husband before that.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: Right. She had the waiter. Right.
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: Then she had Chris the dancer.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: This is Chris the dancer that she was with during
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Meet in Manhattan.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: And he was very lovely to look at. He never
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: spoke but he was so just like sitting there and
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: we were all just like look at him once in
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: a while.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: So I think that might have been the role he
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: played in her life. Just hang out, look great.
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: Right. But he came everywhere. It was hilarious.
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: Like anything we did he was there. Just not talking.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: And then who was and then and did you enjoy
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: working with her? Oh yeah.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: I loved She's the kind of person that would come,
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: Jen we call her, would come to the office and
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: give you stuff that people had sent her and be like, oh,
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: would you like this box of Prada clothes? I'm not
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: going to use them.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: And you're like, what? Yes, I would like that. She
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: invited us. But do you think that's better than the
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: way Bethany does it, goes to TJ Maxx and films
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: the person and it's already been used? I mean, Bethany is.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, J-Lo wouldn't. No, it was never used.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: It was never open to see what color it was
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: or whatever the reason those things were already. I don't
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: even get why those things were used. Like if someone
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: sends you product and you don't want them, you give them.
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: But the weird thing about that whole story was how
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: she said, I just open it for a second to
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: look at it.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: That was strange. Why are you opening it if you're
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: not going to use it? No, she did say she
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: used it, but she didn't use a lot of it.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: OK, but if you're putting something on your lips, you
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: don't give that to a person. There's bacteria, there's germs.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: In this post-pandemic world, what are we giving people something
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: you've used?
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: That's unsanitary.
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: But she would do that, which is nice, which is great.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Jennifer would never. I do that, too.
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: I'm always like, do you guys want this?
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Right. Jen would never use the stuff. Well, she didn't
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: need to.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: You know, unlike Bethany, she did not need to be
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: using things and buying things herself ever. Nobody bought anything.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: Jennifer and J-Lo never bought it. I mean, Julie and
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: Jennifer never bought anything for themselves, like ever. You know,
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: we bought it.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: Your favorite perfume, this. Like, we got it. They're not
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: at the stores.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not shopping at the stores. However, I saw
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: J-Lo at Saks in Beverly Hills. Amazing. Just in the
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: last five years. And we'd met before, and she was lovely.
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: With, like, a couple people.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: I really, I mean, I think she was maybe stopped
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: there by to get something after or whatever. just wanted
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: to go. I mean, it's a beautiful store.
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'm sure they shop. I'm just saying they're
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: not at Target, like giving makeup to people.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's stunning.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: It's another level. We'll put Bethany here on the level,
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: and then, you know, Jen's not going to Target.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: So you weren't there during the Ben Affleck years? No,
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: not at all.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: I was not there, but obviously Elaine has worked with
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: her closely all these years, and I'm close with Elaine,
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: so I get a lot of the scoop with Ben.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: I heard the Ben.
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: This is my favorite quote from someone in the inner
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: circle about Ben and Jen. They said the first week
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: that they were back together, they had more sex than
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: Jen had with A-Rod in the entire marriage, or entire engagement. Like,
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: since she knew A-Rod, I think they dated for three years,
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: she had more sex with Ben that week, and I
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: was like, enough said.
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: I totally believe that.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: Also, because when they got back together, I'm like, I
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: think this is, like, awesome, because only J-Lo could hook
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: up with a guy that she dated 20 years ago
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: and be like, I'm more gorgeous now than I was
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: 20 years ago. And I'm, you know, and I've, I've
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: always been very attracted to Ben Affleck. So I, I
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: They're very tall.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Have you met him in person?
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: He's very tall.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: I went, I went to a premiere that he was doing. Um,
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: so I did get to see him like standing there. No,
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: it's the height.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: Cause I've met him. I met with him and I
• 52:36
  Speaker 3: was an executive for Fox for, for Harold Ramis. They
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: came in to pitch me a movie and they pulled
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: up in this blue convertible antique car. How like on brand,
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: the two of them, they jump out there right in
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: front of my window, my bungalow, they jump out of
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: the car, they're the convertible and they come in and
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: we had this amazing meeting and they were so animated,
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: but I was very swoony over Ben because he was
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: just like, tall and i don't know like he looks
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: like he could just like wrap his arms around you
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: yeah i was very into him not matt but i
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: was into him.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: They just did some like exclusive photos and it's just
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: them in a car i think she might be driving
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: i don't know um oh no no he'd be driving
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: and she's just there and she's looking straight ahead and
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: he's like and you know they're snapping it they're like
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: oh my god what is this about it must they
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: must be arguing and You have to get a lip reader.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: The lip reader. I love the lip readers. Well, it
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: was just, I don't even think it was video. It
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: was just like a snap. And they must be arguing
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: because he's been co-parenting so well with Jennifer Garner.
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh my God.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Like anybody cares. And then you read the whole thing.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: They're like, seen driving around in LA on Friday. I'm like,
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: Friday LA traffic? That's why they're not smiling. Like it
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: has nothing to do with jealousy or whatever. But we
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: do enjoy talking about that. Of course. I love it.
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: And I think they, I don't think she necessarily minds it.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: Like sometimes I think, in my opinion, she, and Jennifer
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Garner too, go out and engage with paparazzi where they weren't,
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: you know, shocked to see them on the corner is
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Of course. Of course. Yeah.
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: The tender moments. Because then we see them, you know,
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: on the red carpet and they're definitely arguing. And then
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: immediately you'll see the tender moment a few days later.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Right, at the Dunkin' Donuts. Yeah, like, oh, how
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: did we just happen to know that? Well, tell us
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: a little bit about how you decided to do this
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: book and explain it a little bit to us because
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: it's so fun.
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: There's all this great art. It's all different quizzes.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: So you can really play with your friends or play
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: by yourself with the answers on the bottom.
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: So tell me a little bit about.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: How you came about it.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: So this book actually ties into Julia Roberts because when
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: I went to work for Julia, I was her story editor.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: And the gentleman who was the story editor that I
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: was replacing, I met him briefly.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: The story editor for what? Julia Roberts' True Lace Productions. Oh,
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: so you'd read scripts that came in and stuff? Okay.
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: I was her story editor. So I was replacing a
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: guy named Mark. I'd never met him before. And I,
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: at the time, was writing this big gossip column for
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: Warren Zide, who produced American Pie. So he had a
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: website for American Pie, and my blog was on there.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: And it was a big blog. It had like 500,000 subscribers.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: And it was anonymous.
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: And I would just talk about Hollywood and our, like,
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: you know, development.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Now, I have to say, now, while you have this job,
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: did they not know that you had this blog?
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: No, they love my blog. Julia bought my blog to
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: make into a TV show with Darren Star. They love
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: my blog.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: What was it called?
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: It was called D Girl Diary.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: They did a huge.
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: Wait, I remember this.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: Everybody knows D Girl Diary.
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: So what happened with the show?
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: Well, 9-11 happened. Darren Star took me to the. season
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: the finale of Sex and the City at Lincoln Center
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: because I was his new like Candace Bushnell because of
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: my blog it was amazing and I had a book
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: deal with Harper Collins and they were going to make
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: it a TV show and I was like on the
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: development slate at my company it was so great So
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: I wrote this blog in Hollywood and it was anonymous
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: at first and then for Warren. And then they Anna
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: David did a big spread on me in Premiere magazine.
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: I had pictures of me to out me. And it
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: was funny. It was just like, this is the girl, everybody.
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: Like all the guesses that you've all had is not right.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: This is her. I'm pretty sure you don't know who
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: you know her. But I would write all the inside,
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: not most, not like trashing celebrities. It was really like
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: the us, the development people who sold the drugs, who
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: did that. You know, I just use different names. And
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: then I would talk about like Jennifer Aniston's birthday party
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: that we all snuck in the back window and the Sundance,
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: you know, the, we all like, you know, went through
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: the garage, like how we would get into all these
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: crazy parties.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: You're saying like, you know, we don't know. Oh, how
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: did you do it?
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: Because my best friend and I had a saying, if
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: we know the address of a party, we're going. So
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: the whole guest list and all that, whatever you would
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: go half the time, as long as you know that
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: it's going on, they'll let you in because you know,
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: you're there, you're in the hills, you're at the house.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: And if we didn't like, For Jennifer Aniston, it was
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: at some bar on Sunset, and we went up to
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: the front, and they had closed the party because it
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: was over capacity. You know, the fire marshal gets out there,
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: and my friend gives the fire marshal $ 100, so he
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: lets us in. And then in Sundance, there was a
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: big party for, it was like Blues Traveler was singing, blah, blah, blah,
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: you know, the 90s. And we literally went through the back,
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: a window through the garage. My friend and I snuck
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: through the window to get into the party.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: Everybody was there.
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: It was like Cameron Diaz, but still everybody was there.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: And then you'd write about that. Right, in my blog.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: So how do you feel about the du moi? Now,
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: du moi supposedly has all these deals and stuff for
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: TV shows and stuff, and nobody knows who she is.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: I've been on her show, so I have talked to
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: her on the phone. I believe she had the weird
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: voice thing when I did it. Yeah.
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: And what is your opinion of how she does it?
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, all my followers say that I'm like the
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: 90s du moi.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: So I've got all the tea. It's just from the 90s.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: So if you care about the 90s, come to me.
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: I call it Juicy Scoop History.
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: Juicy Scoop History.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: And eventually I plan, I've been manifesting that I will
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: be teaching a class one day at USC. I will
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: be a salaried professor. Right. Love it. Doing either Real
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: Housewives History, Juicy Scoop History.
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: It'll be a combo class.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: Well, she, I definitely... I feel like I bring the
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: history to my followers. So I do like Dumois. She's
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: reposted me a bunch of times, so we have a rapport.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: She gave me her book, autographed book for a giveaway
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: I was doing. So she's nice. It's two, I think,
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: aren't they? I think it's two. Two girls.
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: Oh, is that the secret? Is that why it's called Dumois?
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: It's two girls. I don't know if they're still doing
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: it together, but it's for sure two girls. I can
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: see the picture of their faces in my head, who
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: they really are. I would never say their name because
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: I actually don't remember. But people in Hollywood, inside Hollywood,
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: know who they are.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: So they do get real scoop from real people.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: But a lot of it is just sharing an anonymous
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: DM on their stories, which I sort of have a
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: little bit of a moral issue with. That's why I
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: don't really cover it. I think it's kind of interesting
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: when somebody sends it to me. They're like, what do
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: you think about that? I'm like, that's interesting. It informs you,
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: but you're not going to post it. Right, and I'm
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: not going to report on it because I'm like, Literally
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: someone could write a DM and they're like, I saw
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Heather making out with Thea. at HQ right after it
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: was this day, which they, I know they just recorded
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: their show. So they went over there, they had three
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: margaritas and they were making out.
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: Anonymous, please.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: And it's just not true. Like, it's not true. It
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: could be true.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: The day is young.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: Right. But I'm saying it could be true. And there's
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: enough facts that you're like, oh, and then it gets
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: in your head.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: And then I'm like, and now forever, when two people
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: see us together, they're going to be like, I always
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: remember that rumor.
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: You know, like the gerbil up Richard Gere's butt.
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: Well, the way Bravo and Cocktails does it, and I
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: don't know if Dumont does it the same way, but
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: I assume probably partially, is she knows the source, and
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: it's usually a big one, like a housewife, and then
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: turns it into a blind because it's based on real info,
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: and Bravo and Cocktails wants to get that info out there.
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: But she can't say like, oh, you know, Teresa gave
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: me this.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: So it's like, I have a friend who went to
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: the party.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: No, there's not a friend.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: So a lot of them are fake, but they're real.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's good. So that's why a lot of hers
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: do turn out to be true.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like Bravo cocktails too. Yeah, because they turn
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: out to be true because she got it from a
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: real person. She just can't say that. And they want
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: to disguise the fact that it came from them. So
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: they'll pretend like it's someone else. But that's a lot
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: of them. And that's why her info is good. And
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: I've done that too. I have gotten tea from, I
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: know exactly who I'm getting it from, but I will.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: I will try to change it so it doesn't look
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: like it's coming from them. I'll be like, oh, I
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: got this random tip. I don't know who this person is.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: It must be a Finsta, but it's not. It's that person,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: so I know it's true. So I don't do blinds
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: a lot either because I don't trust them, and I've
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: been burned before. A blog, a Bravo page sent me
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: false tea, so I'd post it to make me look
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: bad once, and I'll never forget it.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: Wait, wait, what did you do?
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: A Bravo page that doesn't like me sent me tea
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: and was like, oh, my God, you should post this.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: It's amazing.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: And I did, and she did it on purpose. It
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: was not true. It's fine. I don't care. Oh, my gosh.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: And ever since then, I was like, nope, I'm not
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: taking tea unless I know who you are. I'm not
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: just going to post whatever.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: So now I have to know who it is and
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: then I'll disguise it for them so no one would
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: ever know where it came from.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: And so that way I can really rely on what
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: I'm posting. Like my followers know 90% of what I
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: post is 100% true because I'm talking to this person
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: on the phone who is on The Real Housewives.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: So it's true.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: I just can't say it came from them.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: So I say it. I just word it.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: And I feel like I know Bravo and Cocktails does that.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: And if Dumas is smart, they do that, too.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: You think they will... Well, I kind of go with
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: this is my theory and this is my opinion. Oh, right.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: And.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: you know, and I do have those as well based
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: on what I've gotten, but also my knowledge and putting
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: two and two together, right. Being in this business. Then I,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: and so I am probably giving you what is true,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: you know, what the scoop is, but it isn't so much,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: you know, um, or this person. And I never like
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: to do anything about someone being fired on the housewives.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I never say I want someone fired and
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: I never want to like predict someone being fired because
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: I think that's like shitty.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: Well, because, you know, it's about we're all trying to
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: make a living.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: So I want to cut someone's living off. I know.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: So when people you have also noticed, too, with the
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: way these group these people work, too, is they'll like
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: they'll be on a podcast or something and they'll talk
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: about me and they'll say I.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: Threaten them in a DM or something.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, what? And someone will send that to me,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: the little clip. And I go and I listen and
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: I go, I can't believe this. I never had a
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: beef with this person. And I go and I go
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: back on our DMs and there's nothing, nothing like that.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, they want me to then clear it
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: up on this show, which is a much bigger audience.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: So they get the views. To say, hey, I had
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: no problem with Joe Schmo.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: Why are they saying this? What an asshole. And then
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: they could go back and be like, ooh.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: Okay sorry you know and we can get you know
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: and they love that for the.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: Views yeah so now I'm just like no you.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: Don't engage no no no I'm not giving you free
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: publicity based on a lot and I'm never threatening anybody
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: or you know like it's so dumb I'm like.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: Isn't your husband a lawyer no He's not a lawyer.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: My sister and brother-in-law are a lawyer. Okay, so you
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: have lawyers?
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: But he is very, very good. Lawyers will tell you,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: don't ever put anything in writing.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: He could be a lawyer. Okay. He could pass the
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: baby bar way before Kim could. No, he is very
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: good at reading contracts. He's very good at understanding things.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: So I'll say, can you explain this thing to me sometimes? Oh, good.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: You know, whatever. I need to get a lawyer. Yeah,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: and then, like, give me the cliff note version. Okay, wait,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: I got off track. So the book.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: So this guy that I replaced at Julia Roberts' company, Mark,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: He went on to be book scout for all the
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: big studios, and he's the one that brought my book deal.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: He worked for Judith Regan, and he brought my book
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: to Judith Regan, who bought it.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: The one about the D-Girl stuff.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: I only had met him for a minute, but he
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: read my blog.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: So he was like, you write D-Girl Diary. I'm going
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: to get you a book deal.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: And they had just done the premiere, which outed me.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: So he got it to Judith. Judith signed me. Then
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: Judith got fired for the OJ book.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: Right, which was, to remind people, was she published the book.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: OJ wrote a book saying, if I did it, this
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: is how I would have done it. Which people, as
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: you can imagine, didn't really appreciate. Yeah, I don't think
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: Kim Goldman and her father appreciated that or the Brown family.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: That was my publisher, so that's why my book never
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: got published. But anyway, Mark went on to become a
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: book scout for all the big studios. He still does this.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: And he eventually married a girl who works for a publisher.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: And that's the girl who called me to say, I
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: love your page. I love your moms are watching. I
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: want you to do a trivia book for me.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: Oh, so it was kind of her idea.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: It was her idea. I didn't have any idea.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: And she said, I just feel like with your page.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: And I was telling her, I'm not really this encyclopedia.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: I've watched all the shows, but I'm not one of
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: those people where you can say like on season two,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: I'm like, huh, I don't know. I don't have that brain.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm creative.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: I'm not like, you know.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: So did you use anyone to help? Pre-med. No, I
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: used nobody.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: And you can tell when you go through it. But anyway,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: the point is. I did it for her because she
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: loves my page and she knew that I would have
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: like a lot of good insights. And so I wrote
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: it for her and now I'm doing a Vanderpump rules one.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: So I'm almost done with that one.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: Um, so basically the idea of it, I think this
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: is so fun and so great. And you know, I feel,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: and I don't feel like it was too easy. Even
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: some of them, even some of them, I was like,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that was Bali or if that was,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: see this trip. I see it in my head and
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: I'm like, Ooh, that was a, That was a good one. So, like,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: I think you could have a lot of fun with
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: your friends on your girl nights. Right. And see how
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: well people do. And there's different scoring. And it's all
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: the different cities. And it's a good size. It's a
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: good price. It's sparkly. I like it.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: This is what I think about it. I've always thought
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: of it this way. Is that there has never been
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: a book... that has everything in it. Like you can
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: go to Dubai, you can go to DC, you know?
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: And it goes from day one to the last day
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: when I wrote it. And so I feel like this
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: is like the definitive, like have this at your house
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: because now this is where it all is. Like all
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: the big memeable moments, all the things we've forgotten. And
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: then I was thinking it'd be a good thing for
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: BravoCon where you could get, I think we should make
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: these people sign it. Like make these housewives stop for
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: a second. How much, how annoyed would they be?
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: How annoyed would they be? Like, Kyle, because Kyle Richards
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: is on the front.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: Kyle, can you sign my book?
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: She's going to want to kill me.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: Kyle gave you a quote.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: Kyle, Melissa Gorg is on the back.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: A fun and witty trip down Housewives memory lane. Very nice.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: And then Melissa Gorg is on the back.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: And Kate Casey gave a great foreword. Kate Casey is
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: a good friend of mine. She's such a good writer
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: in kind of explaining Housewives. you know, in general.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: In a really smart way.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: And then we have Margaret Josephs, Maricel Patton, Joanna Krupa,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: of course, because she's in my family. Alexis Bellino.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: She's in your family. What do you mean?
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: Well, she dated my brother for two years and they're
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: still best friends.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: When? Pre-Romaine.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: Because if you ever looked up my brother, you would
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: see he looks exactly like Romaine. She dated my brother
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: and then a guy looked just... So they were back
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: in the day where they hung out with Slade Smiley.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: They hung out with Joe Francis. You know how that
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: all turned out.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: We know, yeah.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: And Cato Kalin is my brother's best friend.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: I know Kato, too.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: I told my brother I was coming on here and
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: he was like, oh, Kato's going to die because I
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: love Kato. Kato comes to like my family gatherings. That's
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: how close we all are with Kato. And Joanna is
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: the same. She's like a sister.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: So that was a whole.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: And so we dated for two years. Very serious. He
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: picked her up literally from the airport from Poland and
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: like got her her first like modeling gig for Piken,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: you know, Piken.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: He used to do these things.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: Robert Piken, he's a big real estate guy out here.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: He used to do this.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: I know Robert Paikin. Of course. The bald head. Right.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: So Paikin used to do these videos with girls. Oh, yeah.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 5: This is like.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: We probably were at the same parties at the same time.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: Blast from the past. Yeah.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: We went to the Playboy Mansion every Saturday night on
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: the little bus because Joanna was always at the Playboy Mansion.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I went on the bus.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: So Paikin had these little videos where he would put
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: girls on to sell his real estate. And he hired Joanna.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: Her first job was like $ 2, 000 to come on and
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 3: be like, you know, hi, I'm Joanna.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: Bye, Erica.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: And my brother started dating her immediately, like from the
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: airport hang. I don't know where my brother stocks these
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: girls out, but he finds them and he found her.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 3: And he's like, I got this girl.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: She's from Poland. I'm paying for her mom. I'm paying
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: for Marta. I'm paying for the whole family, the rent.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: It's amazing.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: And I meet her, Heather.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: He goes, you have to meet my girlfriend. She's amazing.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: And he goes, we're going to Sizzler. I'm like, hmm,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: interesting choice.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: I go to Sizzler.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: She's like, this is my favorite restaurant. She had like
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: a thick accent at the time. And she was wearing
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: head to toe leather pants. with just little straps right
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: over the nipple, like nothing else. It was like a bodysuit,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: but it was just like, boop, at Sizzler. She, of course,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: looked stunning. I couldn't even, I was mesmerized by her eyes.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's beautiful.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: She's like, this is my favorite restaurant. I'm like, who
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: the heck is this bimbo you've picked up? Because I
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: don't know her yet, how sweet she is. She's amazing.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: But at the time, I was like, what was this
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 3: girl that made you go to Sizzler and she's wearing
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: head-to-toe leather? I'm not into it.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: I just saw a TikTok of a beautiful girl saying,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: I love Cheesecake Factory. She's from Australia. And she goes,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: and when I came back to Australia, every Australian asked her,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: did you.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: Go to Cheesecake Factory? And they love it.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: And she's like, that brown bread and everything. I don't know.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: There's certain places that it's just unique to here, I.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: Guess, if you don't grow up here.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: I was fascinated, and that was my first impression. And
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: then ever since then, and she basically didn't talk. She
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: just pushed her lips and held on to my brother
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: the whole dinner. And I was just like, do you
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: speak English? And she's like, yes, of course. And I
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: was like, well, you could You know, we have a
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: big family of 10 people in my family, eight kids.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: We need to know who you are if you're going
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: to date my brother. And he was driving a Maserati
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: and living the life at the time.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: Where's the brother now?
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: My brother?
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: He's in the Dominican Republic, living in the Dominican Republic,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: selling like stem cells. Like you can go to him
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: to get cheap stem cells.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: What do you do with stem cells?
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: You can put them in your body to like help
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: you with things. Like if you have like a chronic problem,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: they insert them. He goes, I got a million STEMIs
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: right in my freezer. You got to come down here
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: for your MS. I'm going to put these STEMIs right
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: in you. I'm going to cure you right up. I'm like, Eric,
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: when did you become a doctor? Because he did. He
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: trained for Miss USA.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: You have MS? Yes.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: And how long have you had it for?
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 3: So I got diagnosed three weeks after 9-11 when I
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: worked for Julia. So Julia and Elaine got me my
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: doctor who was like the most famous MS doctor in
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: the world and like saved my life. Because I would
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: be in meetings with Julia, Jennifer Lopez, Elaine, and I
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: would be falling on the floor like my– armored fall
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: asleep all the way up to the side of my
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 3: face and I'd be laying down with the meeting.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: Like no no I got this I'm taking the notes and.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: They're like are you okay and they finally sent me
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: the hospital like you have to get this checked out
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: this is not normal and they diagnosed me and they
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: took care.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: Of me I just want to say like you look
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: great I would never know and for having it for
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: 23 years you should share Your knowledge.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: I do on my PA. And your moms are watching.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: I have so many MS people. Okay, good. I'm sure
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: you could direct people to some stuff.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: The medicines they have now.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 4: But it's not your brother's stem cell?
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: Why not? My brother wants me down there so bad.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: Why not?
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: Because you don't understand how many, I'm not going to
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: say scams, business endeavors my brother has pitched to my family.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: We are all so over it.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: He's like, listen, you guys. First he did the kids.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: Get your kid into the movie business. That was his business.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: Kids and teens.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: Oh, go to the thing.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: Don't you want to be on Disney? Right. And then
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: you pay all that money.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 3: He worked for the Brian Rotman. He did this whole thing.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: And then, right, bar one. They were always up bar one.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: So he had this thing where he pitched. He would
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 3: go to a, get a bunch of, we would scout
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: the kids out at the mall. Every kid was a star.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: And come to the seminar. And he would stand up there.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 3: And now my brother was.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: Can I just say one thing? And then we'll go back.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: Because I thought about this the other day. So my
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 4: mom and dad are realtors.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: And we did have agents as kids, and my sister
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: did have kids in the business. But my mom would
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: do that to ingratiate herself to get the listing. No
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: matter what the kid looked like, my mom would be like,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: get that kid an agent. And then they'd be like,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: all right, I think you can sell our house. Everybody
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: wants to hear that their kid can be a star.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: So you're at the mall scouting out the people. They
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: come in.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: This is what the scam that we were running was
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: that O'Brien Rotman, the O'Brien Rotman charged you $ 1, 500 for
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: the package.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: And what did the package include?
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: It was like pictures and, you know, headshots and training.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, BS, right?
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: You do get a manager, which is important, but the
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: manager has 400,000 clients because they all go to her.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: So my brother's pitch was, hi. So O'Brien Rotman, whoever
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: the guy is, Eric Rotman, he would send my brother
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: the people who rejected him. And then my brother would
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: have us call and say, hi, like I saw you
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: at this O'Brien-Rotman thing. I was just in the back,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: you know, looking. And I noticed like how amazing your
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: kid is. But like, what are they, crazy?
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: $ 1, 200?
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: You shouldn't be paying more than $ 500 for this. Like
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: $ 500 max. Why don't you come meet my brother? He's
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: a casting director because, by the way, he casted the
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: extras for Biodome.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: I'm not kidding. Pauly Shore's movie, Biodome. So he's a
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: big casting director.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: Come meet Eric. And he's going to bring it to
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: your kid. And then the seminar my brother did, it
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: was so gold. He would stand up there and he'd
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: be like, listen, parents, I got to tell you right
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 3: off the bat. When I get your kid onto a sitcom,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but you're only going to get, because of
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 3: Gary Coleman, 10%. So if they're making $ 450, 000 a week,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: you're only going to make $ 45, 000. The rest goes into
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 3: a trust. And the parents are like, 45, what did
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: you say?
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: My son's going to be. And they're like, here, take
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: my money. That was the pitch. So they would sign
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: up for $ 500. And then they'd just never hear from
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: them again. So he did.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: I don't want to say that it wasn't completely legit.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: They did get a manager, but no. So he could
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: only do it in each city for like a year
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: because then he started getting the lawsuits.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: So he would move.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: This is my brother. This, by the way, is Joanna
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: Krupa's boyfriend. So don't take it up with me. And
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: then they went out for two years and then she
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: got the Playboy cover. And my brother went to a
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: party with her for the Playboy cover. And he met
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: Dean Cain.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: Right. Superman.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 3: And Dean Cain said to my brother, like, guess who
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: I banged last night? And it was Joanna.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: That's his girlfriend.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: And that was the end of the relationship. But they're
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: still best friends. We all laugh about the story now
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: in our family. Dean Cain, Superman.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: And is she and Brandi Glanville okay?
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: Is Brandi Glanville okay?
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: Well, you know that's what happened with them.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: No, the Oh, the vagina.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 3: My brother swears that Joanna Krupa's vagina smells like a
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 3: rose bed.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: He swears.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: But they are best friends to this day, so he
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 3: wouldn't say otherwise.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: Well, for people just to remind you what happened was,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: it was on the after show of Watch What Happens Live,
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: and Brandy just said, well, I was told by Mohammed,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: or Mohammed told Lisa Vanderbilt, who told me, that it
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: doesn't smell like a rose. And what I think the
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: problem was is that, and I've learned this now, but
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: it took a long time, is you shouldn't even try
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: to defend such nonsense.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: You should just.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: Don't give it any light. Right, just say it's not true.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: And she went hardcore and they went back and forth
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: for years and I think they finally settled, but she
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: was suing Brandy. Of course.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: That's personal.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: You don't tell anybody, Mike.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 4: And then they were all on the list.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: I brought it up because I thought, I felt bad
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: for everyone involved, but I did think it was just
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: like such kind of a funny, you know, so every
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: time like page six was right about it.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: And so then they would get on the, they'd be deposed.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: To go and, like, Andy was on the deposition, and
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: then I think Mark Consuelos was. We need those transcripts.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: Well, none of them ended up going.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: They got settled. But then they would be annoyed, like,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: with everyone involved because they're like, I don't want to
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: fly to L.A. and be, why are you deposing me? Like,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: Andy Cohen and Lisa Vanderpump and everything. And then and
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: then it was like, well, now we we need to
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: speak to the gynecologist. And finally, I think they just
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: then they agreed. And it's obviously a settlement that we
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: can't that we are not made aware of. But oh,
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: my God. Well, my brother is. I really think they
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: probably could have been great friends.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: My brother has posted on his little Facebook page. I mean,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: my brother's not a public figure, although he's like best
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: friends with Cato and Janice Dickinson and all those people.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: But he's not a public figure. But he has posted
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: on there. Here is my take on this. Her vagina
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: smells amazing. I've never smelled anything like it. It's like
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: you're down there. It's like, you know, she just smells
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: like flowers. And, I mean, he has gone in. He's
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: been like, I promise. And we've been broken up for years.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: And that's why they're still friends today. Of course.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 3: He's very big on the vagina smells lovely thing. And
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: I think Joanna really appreciates that because he has personal knowledge.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: Do you know if Joanna would ever want to come
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: back to Miami? No, 100%. Would she ever go on
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: anybody else's like a Beverly Hills or something?
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: I got a blurb for my book. And literally when
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 3: I approached her, like I said, I'm texting her like
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: we're family. She said she didn't even want to talk
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: to me about like this book is Housewives. I want nothing.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, OK.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: So she was like and then I begged her as
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: like I pulled the family card and my brother called
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: her and he was like, Joanna, you got to give
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: it to my sister. And we've hung out, me and Joanna.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: So she gave in, but she did not. So she will,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: not only does she never want to come back to Housewives,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: she doesn't want anything to do with any of it.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: She's like very anti.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 4: Because she's married and a mom now, right?
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: No, she's divorced again.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: Oh, but she is a mom. She's a single mom. Oh, okay.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: So she, yeah, she has her life. She's in Poland
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: a lot. She does modeling in Poland. She is just,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: I don't know what happened, what it is, but I
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: can tell you right now, she is never coming anywhere
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: near Bravo. You'll never see her again.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: She didn't even want to talk to me about it.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: You'll never see my face again. Yes, ever. I'm out
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: of here. Ready. Well, thank you so much. This is amazing.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: I'm really glad you came out. You guys should get
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: it now. Order it. Tell them where they can find it.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: You can find it on Amazon. It's at Barnes &
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: Noble and all those places. Books a million. But also,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: you guys, I'm going to try to sell some of
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: these at BravoCon.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: I'll be there.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: She wasn't going to.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: And I was like. Heather talked me into it. I go,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: come on, girl.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: No, I just was trying to figure out logistics of
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: how to carry books around because they don't let you
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 3: come into the conference with like a bag, a rolling suitcase.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: I think we're going to make a plan where maybe
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: it'll be able to be sold in and around the facility. facility.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: So you'll be seeing people selling this and then you
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: should buy it at BravoCon to get it.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: I would say just get it before BravoCon. Go get
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: it and bring it in your bag and have fun.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: And our plan, me and Heather, because you can blame
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: this on Heather McDonald, that we want you to really
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: annoy the housewives and make every one of them sign
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: when you do your little photo ops. They'll sign right there.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: They're going to love this. They're going to love the
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: extra two minutes it takes and the pen and all that.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: And then you could tell them Heather McDonald and Thea
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: D'Souza from Your Moms Are Watching told us to get
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: this autograph and they can't, what are they gonna say?
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: They're gonna have to do it and they're gonna want
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: to kill me and it's gonna be amazing. They're all
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: gonna block me and they're gonna be like, you're the
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: one that made that, you got the ink all over
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: my blouse and the girl with the fumbling pen and I'm.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: Like, listen. And the person who could work their phone. No, exactly.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, these little photo ops you wait two hours for,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: we need to get some ink on a book for that.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: You get the one snap photo, it comes out blurry,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: you put it on your page. This is for life,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: so let's do it. make all the housewives sign this
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: book at BravoCon.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: So fun. And then, um, I know there's a chance
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: you'll be coming to my show at the, the November
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: 4th on Saturday.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: That is going to be a live juice scoop.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: Um, I can't wait for that. Check it out. I'm
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: so excited.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: I love the Juicy Scoop idea because we were talking
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: earlier about how draining BravoCon is. And isn't it going
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: to be so nice on Saturday after we're done with
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: our whole day of panels and whatever to go sit
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: and just laugh at Juicy Scoop?
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: At the Venetian. I love that idea. At the Venetian,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: which is iconic. Look at the spear.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: Amazing.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: Go on the gondola.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: Have the yummy food.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: So I think I'm going to do that Saturday night.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: And then I'll be there. And I'm at Captain Lee's show.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: Captain Lee is doing a one-man show at the Westgate
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 3: owned by Queen of Versailles.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: You know that hotel.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, I know her.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 3: Jackie will be there.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, I just wrote her. I'm like, are you coming?
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: She's coming because the Captain Lee show.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: Maybe she can come to the Juicy Scoop show too.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: Let's get her there. So she'll be there. Yeah, I
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: love her. She's so sweet.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: We've invited a few other Bravo Labs to come to
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: Captain Lee's show. Like I know Carl's coming. So if
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: you want to get the scoop, just approach him.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: He won't mind.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: Make him sign the book. Tell him that Thea and
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: Heather McDonald said he needs to.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: Tell you everything about. And now he's single. Yeah. Oh,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: he is single. That's right.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: So come to Captain Lee's show at the Westgate on
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: Thursday night. And then there's a meet and greet. And
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: the show, I wrote it. It's amazing. He does games
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: with the audience. We're all about the games and the
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: calling out stuff. And he'll do like his one-liners to
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: you if you tell him something. I love the show.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: We put it on at the Hard Rock in Florida
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: and it came out amazing. People were just, it was great.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: It was sold out.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: So you got Captain Lee show, you got BravoCon, you're
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: making everybody sit down and sign this. I don't care
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: how long it takes.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: Approach them in the hallways. They love that.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: I approached Heather at BravoCon last year and she was like,
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: I'm going, I'm on my way somewhere. And I'm like,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: but it's Thea from Your Moms Are.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: You know what?
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: You're like down the hall. Okay, so here's the thing
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: that what made it hard is because when I was there,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: I really got to a place where I hadn't eaten
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: for like six hours. That's what I mean.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: And I and I have fainted on stage before.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: So I'm like I was like and I'm you know,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: I love that people recognize me. But I'm like the
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: stars that go in the golf cart behind and they're
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: they're protected and everything. And so they can have their
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: little bit of a down time. That's what Captain Lee does.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: And then but like people are asking for photos, which
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: I absolutely love. But then when you say no, then
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: people are like, she was rude. She was rude. And
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I was trying to go to, I
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: was trying to get to the next thing, just like
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: everybody else. So that's why I'm like, listen, I'm just
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: going to have my own thing in Las Vegas.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 4: Come to me.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: Take the pictures of me. But that's why this book
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: is getting signed. It's all good and then go to
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: the Bravo things and see your proper people at their
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: panels and all that other stuff.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: But that is why it's going to be so annoying
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: when they try to get people to... When Luann with
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: her crew is walking through and someone goes.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: Can you sign my... Darling, just come to the cabaret.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: They're going to love it. They're going to love it.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: But guess what? It'll be so good for me because
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: they'll see the book and they will hate the book.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: But then, you know, no publicity is bad publicity. I'm
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: into it.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: It's all good. Thank you for coming.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. I loved it.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: Get the book. It is fun. I can't wait. Thank you.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: Your camera's there, too. Sorry. No one told me.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 6: Christmas shopping has already started in our house. My daughter
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 6: is so organised, already planning Christmas gifts from Macaulay. Hair
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 6: care for her aunt and a fab fragrance for her bestie.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 6: But the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I'm
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 6: an early bird, buying one present a week from now
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 6: till Christmas, which makes budgeting less stressful. I can buy
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 6: in-store or online from Macaulay.ie for home delivery or free
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 6: click and collect.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: So easy.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 6: Gifts they'll cherish at prices you'll love.