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The Cadaver Dog Eagle and Sandra Anderson · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: There are all sorts of roles in the world of
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  Speaker 1: criminal investigation, everything from detectives to crime scene photographers and
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  Speaker 1: forensic lab technicians. But today we are giving special focus
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  Speaker 1: to the unsung heroes of the force, the canine units
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  Speaker 1: and the cadaver dogs. Today we talk about one of
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  Speaker 1: the best cadaver dogs in the business, one who helped
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  Speaker 1: solve countless cases and even was on the scene combing
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  Speaker 1: through the rubble of nine to eleven searching for those
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  Speaker 1: who lost their lives that fateful day. This cadaver dog
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  Speaker 1: was the best in the business. That is, until one day,
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  Speaker 1: a bizarre discovery explained exactly why Eagle the cadaver dog
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  Speaker 1: was so good at what he did. My name's Ben.
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  Speaker 2: Cool and you're listening to Wicked.
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  Speaker 1: And Grim true crime podcast. The following material for a
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  Speaker 1: mature audience listener discretion. Did I hook you with that intro?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? You've forgotten this involved a dog.
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  Speaker 1: You did, and I'm quite excited It's this was a
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  Speaker 1: weird research one because there's not that much out on
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  Speaker 1: there on this And shout out to uh Ray William
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  Speaker 1: Johnson for the the TikTok he put out there that
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  Speaker 1: hooked me. Onto this case. So yeah, shout out to him. Also, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: just throwing that out there too.
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  Speaker 2: You need that today, I really do. I really really
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  Speaker 2: need that this week, this month. You know, it hasn't
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  Speaker 2: been the best over here, but we're hanging in there.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, we're hanging in there. We're doing our thing, you
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  Speaker 1: know what. As Dory from Finding Nemo once said, just
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  Speaker 1: keep swimming a right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. I feel that world, the universe, whatever,
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  Speaker 2: just has interesting ways of getting you where you need
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  Speaker 2: to be. Sometimes that's true, and I guess you just
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  Speaker 2: have to trust the process.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, trust the process one beer ad a time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, which I mean is hard to do sometimes though
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  Speaker 2: it is.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, not every day can be the perfect day.
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  Speaker 1: Not every week can be the best week. So shout
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  Speaker 1: out to everyone who's going through the not so good times.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, Hang in there, keep going, We're right
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  Speaker 1: there with you. You got this.
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  Speaker 2: I know we need to normalize that life is not
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  Speaker 2: always perfect. That some days, some months, some years even
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  Speaker 2: are going to be a bit shitty, but that doesn't
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  Speaker 2: mean your whole life is going to be shitty exactly so,
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  Speaker 2: And people don't talk about they don't talk about that
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  Speaker 2: do you know what.
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  Speaker 1: We should do to make ourselves feel better? Though? Talk
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  Speaker 1: about dogs?
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  Speaker 2: I know you actually perfect.
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  Speaker 1: I really do pump. So have you heard anything about
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  Speaker 1: this this case? Hell no, hell no, you haven't seen
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  Speaker 1: Ray William Johnson's post on this.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not on TikTok.
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  Speaker 1: Well, Ray William Johnson's also on Facebook on YouTube. He's
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  Speaker 1: like an old school content creator who, like since TikTok,
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  Speaker 1: he like went through rebranding and like came back with
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  Speaker 1: a force.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I honestly have to say, I'm not like a
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  Speaker 2: huge consumer of social media of content.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, fair enough, just the true crime variety.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe, Yeah, well I'm dog I guess dog stuff too.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Dogs is your husky stuff? You feel good husky stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's true. We send that to each other lots.
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  Speaker 1: But you at least consume a true crime podcast episode
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  Speaker 1: twice a week. I do you do?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I get to sit back and relax and listen
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  Speaker 2: to YouTube.
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  Speaker 1: You get to be a part of it. You get
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  Speaker 1: to co host it. I get to co host it
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  Speaker 1: with you. It's great.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, if only your co host did more working.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, maybe you should write a case once in
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  Speaker 1: a while.
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, it's on the list, but I'm drowning in my
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  Speaker 2: photography work.
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  Speaker 1: Fair enough, you've got your own business, so I totally
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  Speaker 1: can't blame you. But let's get into this, shall we.
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  Speaker 1: So we're gonna start off with a woman by the
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  Speaker 1: name of Sandra Anderson. Now. Sandra Anderson was a self
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  Speaker 1: taught dog handler from Michigan who gained some notoriety in
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  Speaker 1: the late nineteen nineties and early two thousands for her
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  Speaker 1: work with a very particular dog. And this dog's name
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  Speaker 1: was Eagle. So Eagle was a Doberman pincer dog who
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  Speaker 1: had been trained by Sandra. Now he was a special
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  Speaker 1: kind of dog, known specifically as a cadaver dog. Now
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  Speaker 1: cadaver dogs are trained to detect and scent or sorry,
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  Speaker 1: to detect the scent of human remains. So under Sandra's guidance,
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  Speaker 1: Eagle became began his training in nineteen ninety four when
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  Speaker 1: he was rescued from the pound. So he was a
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  Speaker 1: pound rescue.
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  Speaker 2: Gosh, I love that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I also I love the name Eagle for a dog.
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  Speaker 1: I know, it's kind of a cool name, it is,
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  Speaker 1: I honestly want someone to name like a super tiny
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  Speaker 1: little lap dog Eagle, because it's just like this like
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  Speaker 1: big brooding bird with all this like you know, like
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  Speaker 1: oomph behind it and then just this like little tiny,
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  Speaker 1: small lap dog. Again.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. Sometimes I feel like little tiny
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  Speaker 2: lap dogs think that they're they're a big eagle, right,
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  Speaker 2: like they do. They have that like kind of attitude.
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  Speaker 2: They they'll go up against like a bigger dog and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the second that that bigger dog turns around,
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  Speaker 1: they're usually tailed between their legs. Yeah, but yeah, anyways,
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  Speaker 1: we digress. Within five years though, from that day of
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  Speaker 1: being rescued from the pound, both Sandra and Eagle would
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  Speaker 1: participate in numerous searches across the United States, often being
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  Speaker 1: called in to assist on very high profile cases, and
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  Speaker 1: Eagle was referred to as one of the best in
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  Speaker 1: the business or even as a prodigy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah that's like a cool job.
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  Speaker 1: So Eagle had an amazing talent of locating human bones.
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  Speaker 1: He human human remains, murder weapons, and other clues that
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  Speaker 1: I mean, archaeologue are called the archaeologists. I can't say
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  Speaker 1: the word archaeologically, but it's the person who does those
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  Speaker 1: people who dig on crime scenes that how I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: refer to him because apparently I can't say the word
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  Speaker 1: right now archaeologists there, I just it just came to me.
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  Speaker 1: Archaeologists and detectives could not do so, Like they're digging
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  Speaker 1: up for these things, they could not locate them, they
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  Speaker 1: could not find them. Eagle would come in and be like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: here it is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm on it.
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  Speaker 1: So his apparent ability to find remains where I mean,
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  Speaker 1: any search effort failed. It earned both Sandra and Eagle
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  Speaker 1: a very high reputation as being the best in their field.
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  Speaker 1: So for reference, though, cadaver's dog's sense of smell, I
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  Speaker 1: mean a dog sense of smell really has been estimated
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  Speaker 1: to be up to two hundred times more powerful than
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  Speaker 1: any human. So cadaver dogs just really know how to
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  Speaker 1: zone in in how to utilize this sense.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: This, I mean quite literally gives them superhuman abilities because
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  Speaker 1: it supersedes our abilities by two hundred thousand times.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's crazy. Well, I know you always are thinking,
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  Speaker 2: like we see our dog sniff in the air, right,
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  Speaker 2: and you're I always wonder what they're I know, smelling,
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  Speaker 2: because I don't smell anything, but they're really onto something.
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  Speaker 1: Well, there's times where it's like I let it a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of fart and you don't notice. My God,
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  Speaker 1: you don't notice, you don't smell it. But I guarantee
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  Speaker 1: the dogs do.
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  Speaker 2: You're going there.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure it's happened vice versa as well. Okay, see no, yeah, liar. Anyways,
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  Speaker 1: Sandra claimed that her dog, Eagle is even more special
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  Speaker 1: than that, though she preferred she preferred to call him
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  Speaker 1: a quote death investigation dog. She thinks that his gifts
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  Speaker 1: far transcend the bonds the bounds of science. Now, in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen ninety nine, Sandra Anderson and her highly trained cadaver dog, Eagle,
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  Speaker 1: were conducting a search along the banks of Mill Creek
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  Speaker 1: in LaPier County and this resides within Michigan. There they
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  Speaker 1: were looking for the remains of a missing man by
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  Speaker 1: the name of Sam Conya. Now, Sam was a businessman
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  Speaker 1: who had gone missing in the area, with no remains
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  Speaker 1: of him to have ever have been found. As they
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  Speaker 1: worked the area hopeful to find his remains to kind
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  Speaker 1: of bring some some rest to his case, Eagle suddenly
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  Speaker 1: stopped and he became alert near the edge of the water.
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  Speaker 1: After signaling to Sandra, he began barking and all this
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  Speaker 1: sort of stuff, right, indicating that he'd found something. Sandra
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  Speaker 1: knelt down and realized that he had discovered a bone fragment. Oh.
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  Speaker 1: This unexpected find led to more detailed investigation of the area,
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  Speaker 1: which was led by the LaPier County Sheriff's Department. Over
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  Speaker 1: the following two days, Eagle, along with the investigative team,
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  Speaker 1: unearthed a total of eight additional bone fragments. All of
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  Speaker 1: the remains belonged to an unidentified adult male, presumably sam Conya.
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  Speaker 1: Who were exactly what the person they were searching for now.
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  Speaker 1: The story of this mysterious discovery regained further attention when
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  Speaker 1: the television show Unsolved Mysteries arrived on the scene to
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  Speaker 1: document Eagle's continued search efforts. Astonishingly, Eagle was able to
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  Speaker 1: detect these nine little bone fragments. Get this bury beneath
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  Speaker 1: layers of sediments submerged in the creek water total of
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  Speaker 1: two feet down. Seriously, two feet deep under dirt and everything.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like the water's two feet deep. This is
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  Speaker 1: like under the mud and ship.
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  Speaker 2: Holy and what are we talking like? You're saying.
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  Speaker 1: Fragments the size of a tic tac. Seriously, yeah, because
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  Speaker 1: they were like in some of the stuff I watched,
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  Speaker 1: they're showing one of them and it's like in the
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  Speaker 1: palm of their hand, it's like the size of a
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  Speaker 1: freaking TikTok.
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  Speaker 2: That is impressive.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, yeah, investigators theorize at the size and condition of
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  Speaker 1: the fragments indicated foul play very much so with the
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  Speaker 1: possibility that the body had actually been dismembered and perhaps
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  Speaker 1: even processed through a wood chipper.
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  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
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  Speaker 1: So to find something that's been going through a wood
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  Speaker 1: chipper in a creek under this mud, on this scene
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  Speaker 1: out in the bush like that, that is nothing short
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  Speaker 1: of incredible.
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  Speaker 2: And it had been there a while too, write definitely
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  Speaker 2: like it wasn't fresh or anything.
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  Speaker 1: Nope.
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  Speaker 2: Huh.
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  Speaker 1: So what made what made eagles achievements even more remarkable
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  Speaker 1: was the environment which he was working as well, because
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  Speaker 1: a creek was also a well known area for dumping
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  Speaker 1: of poachers and the ground was littered with animal bones,
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  Speaker 1: particularly from deer. So despite the overwhelming prince presence of
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  Speaker 1: non human remains, Eagles still successfully distinguished the human remains
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  Speaker 1: amongst the surrounding wildlife debris.
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  Speaker 2: H I don't even know how. I don't even I
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  Speaker 2: don't even comprehend how this saw can be doing that.
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  Speaker 1: I know, it's extraordinary. Yeah, absolutely extraordinary.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, okay, just think about it. Though. There are
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  Speaker 2: extraordinary people, right like people that are like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: have super high IQs or something.
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  Speaker 1: It's not me.
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  Speaker 2: Well it makes I wasn't see you. It makes sense
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  Speaker 2: that there could be you know, extraordinary dogs and stuff too,
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  Speaker 2: right Like, it just does for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's gonna be people who are smarter than others,
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  Speaker 1: and there's gonna be dogs with better scent than others.
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  Speaker 1: And that's exactly what Sandra's saying. Like Eagle's ability transcends
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  Speaker 1: like any other dog and like science and everything, and.
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  Speaker 2: Here this dog was just in the pound.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, that says a lot about the human race.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, I guess it does.
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  Speaker 1: So. While the identity of the man and the circumstances
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  Speaker 1: of his death still remain unknown, it is clear that
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  Speaker 1: without Eagle's keen sense of smell, these remains would likely
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  Speaker 1: have never been discovered. The case remains open, with investigators
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  Speaker 1: still hoping one day maybe they will uncover the truth
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  Speaker 1: about these fragments found at this Mill Creek site. Now
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  Speaker 1: another notable case involving Eagle and Sandra Anderson, revolves around
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  Speaker 1: the disappearance of thirty seven year old Tracy Islam and
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  Speaker 1: her husband and now her husband's name was is Azul.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry Now. This happened in December of nineteen ninety nine,
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  Speaker 1: and at the time the couple's marriage was crumbling, and
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  Speaker 1: Tracy had just returned from a solo trip from Europe,
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  Speaker 1: where she reportedly found new confidence and independence, which I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you go girl, getting there exactly. So on December twentieth,
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  Speaker 1: a Zizul, A Zizul. I think it's how you say
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  Speaker 1: his name. I'm probably gonna stumble a couple more times.
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  Speaker 1: A Zezul is what I'm gonna stick to. Azizuel told
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  Speaker 1: their children that Tracy had gone back to England, but
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  Speaker 1: just two days later, severed human arms and legs were
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  Speaker 1: found in a dumpster outside a restaurant in Dearborn, Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: A week after that, a torso belonging to a heavy
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  Speaker 1: set woman was described sorry discovered discarded in a nearby field.
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  Speaker 1: When Tracy's sister reported her missing, police quickly suspected that
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  Speaker 1: the remains were hers and that Azizul might be involved. However,
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  Speaker 1: without clear proof of her death. Authorities had no legal
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  Speaker 1: basis to treat the case as a homicide because I mean, hey,
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  Speaker 1: she's in England, right, yeah, not even remissing persons at
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  Speaker 1: this point.
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  Speaker 2: It's got a good cover story.
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  Speaker 1: So detectives needed more concrete evidence to justify a search warrant,
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  Speaker 1: but as Yezuel's behavior only deepened with and only deepened
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  Speaker 1: their suspicion. Surprisingly, when approached by investigators, Zezuel allowed them
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  Speaker 1: into his home and even led them to their basement,
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  Speaker 1: or to his basement. The detectives immediately noticed the floor
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  Speaker 1: had been hastily painted in an irregular fashion, but has
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  Speaker 1: Zzel explain that he was merely preparing the house for sale.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Now, authorities were convinced that Tracy had been murdered and
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  Speaker 1: dismembered in this basement, and detectives believes that the freshly
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  Speaker 1: painted floor was part of a cover up to conceal
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  Speaker 1: the evidence of her blood being down there. Yet without
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  Speaker 1: any solid proof, they remained unable to conduct any more
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  Speaker 1: of a thorough search. Still unable to get a search warrant,
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  Speaker 1: a Zizuel, seemingly confident, even agreed to let them bring
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  Speaker 1: eagle into his home to inspect the area.
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  Speaker 2: That's a mistake.
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  Speaker 1: So under the law cadaver dogs, this is a little
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  Speaker 1: bit more reference for you. Cadaver dogs are considered a
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  Speaker 1: reliable and reliable enough to warrant further investigation if they
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  Speaker 1: detect evidence, which means you can get a search warrant
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  Speaker 1: based on the dog's response. Okay, Now, as soon as
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  Speaker 1: Sandra and Eagle entered the basement, Sandra said that there
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  Speaker 1: was a heavy odor of bleach, which raised concerns about
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  Speaker 1: whether they might find or it might affect Eagle's ability
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  Speaker 1: to work. Right, Okay, Yeah, However, Eagles soon began circling
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  Speaker 1: the room and after a short time, he laid down
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  Speaker 1: beside a paint tray, barking, you know, signaling that he
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  Speaker 1: found something. And as was visibly tense with Eagle's behavior
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  Speaker 1: in what was going on. The dog then led them
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  Speaker 1: to several other areas, pointing to the floor, a rug,
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  Speaker 1: and even the wall consistently indicating the presence of a
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  Speaker 1: significant amount of blood. Thanks to Eagle's findings, the police
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  Speaker 1: were able to secure a search warrant, and when they
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  Speaker 1: peeled back the concrete in the basement, they found traces
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  Speaker 1: of Tracy's blood beneath the paint and bleach. Subsequent DNA
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  Speaker 1: testing confirmed that the remains found in the dumpster and
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  Speaker 1: in the field belonged to Tracy.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, this dog, I am in love with this dog.
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  Speaker 1: Eagle was also able to find what they believe was
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  Speaker 1: a saw used in the dismemberment with blood still on it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and here this guy is just so freaking confident
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  Speaker 2: that he covered up his mass. Yep, and Nope, no
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  Speaker 2: he didn't.
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  Speaker 1: Forensic analysis also linked paint ships found in her body
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  Speaker 1: to the paint used in the basement, further concreting this
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  Speaker 1: connection between the scene and the murder. Now as Ezul
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  Speaker 1: was arrested and charged with first degree murder, with investigators
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  Speaker 1: believing he killed Tracy after overhearing a conversation between her
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  Speaker 1: and a new lover or boyfriend. The case resulted in conviction,
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  Speaker 1: and Eagle's exceptional detection abilities were credited as playing a
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  Speaker 1: very key role in solving this entire crime. Without Eagle.
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  Speaker 1: Without this dog's work, police doubted they would ever have
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  Speaker 1: been able to gather enough evidence they needed to crack
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  Speaker 1: this case. He was a hero, no kidding, so needless
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  Speaker 1: to say, Eagle is a miracle dog. He was considered
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  Speaker 1: consistently able to find remains when it seemed like authorities
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  Speaker 1: were at a dead end. He was able to find blood.
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  Speaker 1: He was able to find so many different things, and
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  Speaker 1: in the crime world he had become a sensation. There
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  Speaker 1: were articles written about Eagle, left, right, and center. They
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  Speaker 1: were talked about creating a postage stamp with Eagles faced
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  Speaker 1: on it, even a feature film and much more revolving
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  Speaker 1: around Eagle.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well, yeah, I feel like Eagle does need a
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  Speaker 2: film and all the shit.
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  Speaker 1: To be honest, I agree, I agree, And it's like
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  Speaker 1: nine times out of ten Eagle was. When Eagle was
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  Speaker 1: called to a scene, he would find something each and
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  Speaker 1: every time, Like not every time, but nine times out
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  Speaker 1: of ten it was like boom, like on it within minutes.
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  Speaker 1: It was incredible.
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  Speaker 2: Well maybe that one time out of ten though there
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  Speaker 2: wasn't anything to even be found, right, like, who's.
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  Speaker 1: True enough Now. Most recently, Eagle was on a hot
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  Speaker 1: street and for finding bone fragments in particular, much like
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  Speaker 1: the case I mentioned earlier, when Eagle was able to
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  Speaker 1: find even the smallest bone fragment under the water, under
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  Speaker 1: the dirt, it was like two feet down right. Sandra
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  Speaker 1: was even heard telling stories about two officers about how
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  Speaker 1: she knew other police dogs and like canine units and
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  Speaker 1: stuff like that. Within the state didn't really like her
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  Speaker 1: a Egle very much because of how successful they were.
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  Speaker 2: Oh geez, that is just like a fucked up sentence.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly kind of is It's like, oh my god, they
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: don't like us because we're yourself fucking good.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like this dog is literally out there being a badass, like,
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: you know, solving cases and who the hell wouldn't like
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: this dog exactly?
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: But she's just like, yeah, they're jealous of us.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah they are. That's what it's stemming from for sure.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: And I mean whether it's it is the publicity, the
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: success that was all going to her head or not,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it was. But regardless, Eagle was
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: on hot streak and no one could deny it. So
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: just because they were doing a damn good job together
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: doesn't mean that there weren't any issues though. Back to
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: the case where we talked about in the creek bed
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: where bones were uncovered underwater. The bones were assumed to
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: be that of the missing man by the name of
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Sam Conya.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Remember.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: However, once the DNA analysis was completed on these bone fragments,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: it was shown that they were not a match to Sam.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: In fact, they were the remains of a completely unknown person,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: a missing person authorities didn't even know was missing. Oh wow,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: they accredited Eagle to finding a missing person they didn't
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: know they were looking for.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, Eagle had successfully found these bones, but they didn't
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: know who they belonged to. Now. Also, in the other
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: case of the wife being murdered and the paint, yeah,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: basement floor being painted over. The saw that they found
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: with some blood on it, the DNA came back on
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: that saw. The blood on that saw did not match
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: the blood of the wife or anyone else of the
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: crime for that matter either. So it also was some
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: DNA that didn't seem right.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's like odd.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Unless there was another victim no one knew about, right.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Regardless of they moved on to the next case. It's
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: October twenty fourth, in the year two thousand. Eagle had
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: been brought to the scene where authorities are trying to
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: locate the body of a man by the name of
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Stephen Clark. They believed he is buried somewhere near within
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: a thirty three acre plot, but not sure exactly where.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: And that's where Eagle comes in. With the super cadaver
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: dog on the scene. They soon made a discovery three
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: bone fragments. Eagle did his thing, sniffed around, alerted, and
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: lo and behold they made the discovery. But when the
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: DNA was tested, they found two different DNA profiles from
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: these bones. That means, between these three bone fragments, they
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: held the remains of two different people, and again they
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: did not belong to the person they were looking. Four,
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: Eagle found the bones of a completely two completely unrelated
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: and unidentified victims on this scene.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, okay, I feel like Eagle is amazing, but
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: it's like almost opening a can of worms because you're
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: looking for one thing and then you find like two
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: more things and now you have to to like investigate
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: this and you have no information. You're just like cool, oh, exactly.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: And there's another instance of another case he worked. Because
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: there's so many cases, like I can't pit here and
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: name them all, but there was another one. It was
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: at a national park. They brought them on for one thing,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: and I believe that they they had found earrings, with
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: like some some fur that was on it was like
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: mink fur, like there's strands, and they discovered it be
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: from like a mink coat. Right. Yeah, Now the person
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: they were looking for did not have earrings or wear
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: this mink coat. But they discovered, like ten year, ten
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: or twenty years ago, can't remember what it was, there's
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: another missing person in this park who was wearing mink
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: when they went missing. And then all of a sudden
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: it went from this one missing person's thing to now
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: we have and I think there was more like other
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: bone fragments or clothing or something that was found. Okay,
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: and there were several other missing people from like back
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: in like the last ten twenty thirty years that are
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden getting brought forward to and they're like,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: holy shit, now we have all this evidence from not
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: just this one case, but multiple at the same time.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Huh. Well, I mean yeah, you could probably almost walk
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: this dog anywhere and I be you would find things,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: which is very alarming.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: It seemed like that was the case, and it began
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: to be a pattern in all honesty. When whatever case
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: that Eagle and Sandra were involved in, they searched for
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: a missing person they find a bone fragment of sorts,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: and the DNA shows it doesn't belong to the victim
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: they're actually looking for. They're finding someone else almost every time.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: In another case, the investigators had a body, but they
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: were in search for the bullet that killed the victim.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: They combed the wooded area trying to find it. Forensics
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: were able to point to an estimated area where they
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: believe the bullet would be. They searched the trees, all
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: this sort of stuff, and they believed it to be
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: in the ground over here, with how the arc would
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: be or the landscape. I'm not exactly sure, but they're like,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: over here, somewhere here in the ground, the bullet should
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: be here. Forensics they went over the area. They combed
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: it on their knees, searching by hand magnifying glasses. They
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: went over it with metal detectors, not once, but twice,
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: inch by inch and found nothing. Eagle was brought to
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: the scene. Didn't take long. That bullet was found right
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: in the spot they thought it would be right where
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: they were looking. But oddly enough, there was no blood
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: to be found on the bullet. It was clean. The
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: bullet was spent just like it should be, and it
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: was right where it should be, but there was no
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: blood on it. And investigators looked over that area multiple
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: times but didn't find it, but Eagle did. For whatever reason,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: the story of this prodigy cadaver dog was turning into
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a mystery on itself. This brings
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: us to Proud Lake, Michigan. Police are working hard on
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: a Robert case when one of the robbers turns into
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: a bit of an informant. He leads officers out to
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: where a cast registers were dumped from the robbery, and
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: he also tells police, I'm an accomplice that he had
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: by the name of Robert Pickering. Apparently, he was told
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: by Robert that previously he had actually killed someone and
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: buried their body out in this same area. Now he
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: wasn't sure exactly where Robert buried them, but he informed
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: police that someone is buried out here. After a bit
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: of searching the area with no luck, Sandra and Eagle
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: were brought to the scene together. On their first pass
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: the area, Eagle found bones. They would return to the
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: scene again for another search later for a second time around,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: and again they found bones. However, when asked to come
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: back for a third time, they were unable to do so,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: whether it was booking up or they weren't able to
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: quite yet right. So in lieu of the state canine
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: unit were brought to the scene other cadaver dogs right right,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: and after hours and hours of searching the same area,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: they found nothing.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Nothing.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Nothing.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well I'm confused as shit. I'm getting confused here. Now.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Why are you getting confused?
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know, because it's almost like Eagles, like, I
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: don't know, pulling this shit out of his ass, Like
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: where is this stuff coming from? Because you think a
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: whole unit would find something, right and like the bullet thing. Like,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: I'm just getting confused now, But I love Eagles, So
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna just keep listening it, okay and see where
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: it goes.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that's what you should do. Just keep
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: listening and we'll we'll get.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: There, okay, Okay.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: So Officer Rick Keeto, who was the one who led
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: the canine unit, was an absolute disbelief. How could they
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: come to the same grounds that Eagle was at and
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: they searched for hours and not find anything, Yet Eagle
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: finds something within minutes. Now, Rick had also worked on
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: a case before with Eagle. Well, not with Eagle, but
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: on the same case as Eagle. Right, he worked on
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: the same case where that bullet was found. He knew
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: something wasn't right, something's not going on. He knew something
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: wasn't there. He couldn't put his finger on it. He's
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: just like, I don't know if I can trust the situation.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Is Eagle's handle or doing something here?
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Well, Rick got in contact with Sergeant Nutt. Not going
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: to make a joke about that, but he got in
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: contact with Sergeant Nutt, who would soon be working with
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Sandra and Eagle on the scene again. Soon and Rick
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: told him keep a close eye on Sandra. Something's not right.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: So a few weeks later they were on the scene together.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: This is for Eagle and Sandra's third pass around this area.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Both times they found the bones that couldn't come back
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: to the canine the state they found yea, So now
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: they're back after the canine unit found nothing, and Sandra
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: was working with Eagle in the search remains the area
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: for this third time. Sergeant Nutt was there following her,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: watching her very closely out of the corner of his eye,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: being right by her side. Whatever he needed to do.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: He was watching her, and almost like clockwork, Eagle once
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: again gets a hit and finds a bone fragment. But
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: this time, Sergeant Nutt noticed something no one else had seen.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Sandra is bent down, showing how Eagle had alerted in
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: this spot. She's got a few people bent down with them,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: and with her left hand she's pointing off into the grass.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: And with her right hand, when everyone's watching her left hand,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: she brushes her ankle her pant leg. Now, Sergeant Nutt
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: wasn't watching her left hand like everyone else was. He
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: was watching her other hand, and he watched her drop
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: a bone fragment out from underneath her pent leg onto
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: the ground.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: What the shit?
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Seriously, she planted a bone fragment.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Well, okay, where the hell is she also getting these
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: bone fragments? Is she a freaking serial killer?
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: We'll get to that.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so disappointed. I'm so disappointed because, like Eagle
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: is a good dog.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and okay, wow, Sergeant nut saw this and he
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: kept as cool though he noticed no one else did
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: see it. It was almost like a misdirection thing like
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: a magician. He saw the secret trick and everyone else
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: was fooled by it. This was huge. He didn't want
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: to act so quickly or or brash, So after the
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: day was over, he conversed with a team during the debriefing,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: and no one else saw it. No one else really
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: believed him. It was a massive claim, and if anyone
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: was going to go against it, I mean, if you're
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: going to accuse someone actually that whole high profile who's
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: gone through all this and done so hard work and
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: all these things, if you're going to be wrong in
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: pointing a finger like that at this person, you're going
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: to lose your career. So no one really wanted to
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: jump on board. However, for Sergeant Nutt, though, it was different.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: He knew what he saw.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so he started digging into Sandra, looking into other
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: cases she worked, other evidence, other things she's found, which
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: is when it all came crashing down and led to
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: one final encounter because of Sergeant Nutt. There was a
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: massive report that was sent out to many different investigators.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Many people didn't believe, but it was kind of on
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: the radar and there was an investigation going on from
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Sergeant Nutt into her. Forensic scientist Jennifer Patchan got said
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: email regarding this investigation. She didn't really believe in it.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: She kind of brushed it off, thinking, oh, yeah, whatever,
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: just some more bullshit, deleted the email. Little did she
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: know that Jennifer Patchen would be working with Sandra and
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: Eagle on a missing person's case very soon, and that
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: was of Srida Thomas. In April of two thousand and two.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: While searching the scene with Sandra, Jennifer and her team
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: were on their hands and knees, diligently searching the ground
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: and I mean moving inch by inch, sifting the grass
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: through the dirt, ensuring every ounce of that ground was covered,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: looking for remains. Then, almost out of nowhere, in a
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: spot where she had just been searching with her team,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Sandra bent down with Eagle and says, oh, we found something,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: and there's two small bone fragments right where they were
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: just fucking.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Like you wouldn't be able to miss some kind of thing.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Jennifer and her team knew instantly there was nothing there.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: A moment ago, Jennifer's like, I did miss it, that
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: wasn't there, huh.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: And then this email's coming back to lateay, the one
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: that's this is Bolsheimer's.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: Dola pretty much pretty much yeah, it's exactly the case.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: So in the following day, on the same scene, with
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: suspicions now very high, and Jennifer now watching her with
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: a very close eye too. It was on April eighteenth,
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: in two thousand and two that's when it happened. Jennifer
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: saw Sandra reaching into her pant leg and pull out
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: a bone fragment to plant it on the ground, just
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: as Sergeant Nutt had seen before. This time, in the
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: heat of the moment, Jennifer pounced and grabbed the bone
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: before Sandra could actually plant it. The two wrestled over
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: the bone, with Jennifer outing Sandra on what she had
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: just witnessed, planting evidence at the scene.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: That's actually yeah, that's a big ass crime.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. As a result, Sandra would be arrested on the
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: same day for planting evidence and there was a bag
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: of bones found in her vehicle.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Wow. Oh why watch the book? Is the point of this?
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: As it turns out, Eagle is a great cadaver dog,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: just like any other one on the force, but no
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: different hm. But somehow along the line, Sandra wanted more.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Maybe it was fame, notoriety, I don't know, but she
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: began planting evidence at the scene for example, the saw
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: with DNA, for example, the other bones that did not
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: match DNA. The earring with mink was planted by her.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: It just so happened someone twenty years ago went missing
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: in the same area with mink.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Huh.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I don't think she meant to have mink on that earring.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: It was just here's an earring that she's right.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Now, she's just causing chaos though she is, and like
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: such a waste of resources too. Now everyone's like, oh fuck,
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: we want to deal with all.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: This other shit exactly, and it's complicating things, causing more
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: taxpayer dollars times. It just it fucks with the whole system. Now,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Sandra didn't kill anyone or obtain these remains in any
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: nefarious ways. So to train Kuldaver dogs, trainers are often
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: given human remains by authorities.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, that's.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: You know, they can train. Here's a scent of bone, orr.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: But go find it. Here's your training, here's your searching,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: go find it in the yard or whatever. Here's a
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: training course. I don't know exactly what they do, but
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: they use these remains in training the dogs to actually
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: locate them, and Sandra would use us to her advantage
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: and plant these said given remains at crime scenes to
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: make themselves look better.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, I mean it makes sense I guess that
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: she has these now to me, because I was like,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: holy shit, that's like quite a serial killer cover up,
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: but still brutal. Yeah, like just brutal. Now.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: The reason why I went unnoticed in so many cases, though,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: is that not every single little piece of bone fragment
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: gets tested for DNA. In many cases, they assumed it
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: belonged to the rest of the remains that were found. Right,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: So it's like, we've got half a skeleton over here,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: and she comes to the scene and finds a couple
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: more bone fragments over there. Oh, it's got to belong
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: to the skeleton.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you would probably just just you know,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: make that assumption for sure.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So there's many cases where that DNA isn't tested,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: But there were many cases where the DNA was tested.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: But who's going to think she's planting it? Oh?
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's another missing person, I.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Mean yeah, especially like at the beginning, you would just
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: never even fathom that exactly, so because just wait, her,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: she herself is like in the force, really, right, if
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: she has this cataver dog. I'm assuming she's also like.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: She's a dog trainer.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, well how do you get to be that? I
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: want to be this like, I'm thinking that.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: You shn't train her own dogs.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Well, we've a husky, so that's an excuse.
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I want to be tryed.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: I feel like I thought maybe like she also has
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: to be a police officer or something like. I have
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: no idea.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: No, I think she's just like a contractor. Basically, it's
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: no different as far as I'm aware to like police
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: officer bringing a psychic on the scene. You know. It's
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: just that eagle happens to be a certified cadaver dog
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: in I don't know how you get that certification for his.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: But well, I'm going to throw that in the name
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: of or the hat of should I want to be
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: when I grow up?
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Nichole's retirement job, Like how you added when you want
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: to or when you grow up? I know there a
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: few respectable So in two thousand and three, Sandra Anderson
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: found herself facing legal consequences for her actions in court.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: She was charged with obstruction of justice and evidence tampering.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: The charges could result in up to thirty years in jail.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Ooh yeah, that's a lot of time.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Instead of facing the full penalty, though, she chose to
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: plead guilty to a series of lesser charges. These included
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: two counts of falsely falsifying material facts and making false
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: representations sor right, that was on a second page.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: How has it?
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Yep? Yeah, so making false representations, one count of obstruction
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: of justice, and two counts of making false statements. So
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: US District Judge Patrick J. Dugan sentenced her to at
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: the time being forty four years old, to twenty one
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: months in federal prison. Additionally, she was ordered to pay
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: fourteen hundred, five hundred dollars in restitution fees to law
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: enforcement agencies that she deceived, and upon her release, she
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: was required to serve three years of probation. One of
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: her conditions for the plea agreement was that she would
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: be permanently barred from profiting from any of her past activities.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: So basically, any income generated from the story related to
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: events of her plea would be surrendered to the Department
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: of Justice. So if there is a movie made about Eagle,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: she doesn't get a fucking penny.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, fair enough, Yeah, I'm honestly surprised that, like, oh,
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: you can get up to thirty years and like, really,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: what she is getting here isn't all that bad. I know,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: it's really not that much.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So now I'm gonna say this and I'm not
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: taking I don't take this with don't assume this is true,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: take it with a grain of salt. So there. I
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: did watch a bit of a an episode on this
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: kind of thing and someone commented, I think it was
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: on Reddit or maybe it was on YouTube or something.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Someone claimed on there that she had married their dad
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: and she's still like a piece of shit. Oh apparently
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: she's still a pathological liar type or whatever. That's just
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: a claim some random person made in a comment section. Huh,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: so just I don't know if it's true, but it
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: was a comment that I read out there.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: So well, I mean, gosh, if you're doing this to
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: this extent, I don't know if you'd, like, you know,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: totally just change your ways and all of a sudden
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: become like a saint.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah really I agree. I agree. But that is the
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: story of Eagle the Cadaver Dog and Sandra Anderson.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Well, you know what, I'm kind of like pissed because
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: she just like dragged Eagle's name in the muck with her.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: She did, she she did. But but Eagle didn't do
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: anything wrong. No, because Eagle is trained to find human remains. Yeah,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: she presented human remains. Eagle did what he's supposed to. Well.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was like, God, this dang job is easy.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, I don't even have to search for it.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Gosh, I just show up and it appears right.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I know a few people that I've worked with in
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: the past that are like that. They just show up.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure we all know someone like that.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Hey, I just show up.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: They get praised for their job, and it's like, you
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: ain't doing shit.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: Oh man, keep it Like, what happened to Eagle? Do
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: you even know?
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Oh well, I'm hoping Eagle like had a good life
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: for the rest of I'm assuming it's that he he
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: he is no longer with us.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean Eagle was rescued from the pound
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: in ninety four. Yeah, so, so I would assume Eagle
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: has passed. But uh, to be fair, Eagle still did
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: solve many cases. Eagle did find the blood in that basement, right,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Eagle did solve that case, and authorities said they wouldn't
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: have solved it without him.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: I know. So, like what it was even the point
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: of putting the saw in there, I don't know, like
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: really just to complicate shit way more, you know, to.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Say we found the weapon or the thing that he
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: hacked her up with.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: And meanwhile the guy's down there and being like, the fuck,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: that's not what I.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Used, right, Like I used a hack saw.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: No one would believe him, like ever, So that's that's
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: an interesting position to be in for her.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: So so, Eagle was a very good cadaver dog. Eagle
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: had a great career. Eagle actually solved, actually solved a
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: lot of crimes totally. Sandra was just hungry and greedy
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: and fucked it all up.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Well. I mean, I guess too, the more or the
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: more success that he's getting, the more cases the be
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: called out too and stuff. So it does it does
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: mean the more money and stuff for her too, Oh.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Definitely, right, yeah, definitely, And she could probably charge more,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: you know, and going to conferences and maybe hey, one
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: day we can get a movie made.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: Like you know, all these different things, yeah.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Which she cannot profit from, which I am very thankful
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: for that part of the plea.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Honestly, this would be like a very interesting movie now,
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: like even.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: More so I would watch it more so now.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I really would. Yeah, it has a big, a
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: big twist in there. So I liked this one.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: I thought it was a good one.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a real good one. It's kind of
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: like it's still like shitty and talking about shit and stuff,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: but it's also talking about like an amazing dog.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: So and no one was harmed in this one. I mean,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: of course there was, there was cases that they were searching.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: There was murder cases and stuff. But the story that
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: we're talking about, no one was harmed. Sandra was just
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: being a dumbass, you know, so.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: Pushing her lock really, yeah.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Don't you dumbass people, Like, come on, you had a
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: good thing.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Going, why do you have to Well, yeah, I just
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: let your dog be the dog that it was, like
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: it obviously was already doing amazing.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so yeah, hopefully you guys enjoyed that one.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Is a little bit of a different tale today. But
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: see what I did there, tail.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Oh my, I didn't notice. I love that.
• 40:19
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• 40:21
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• 40:31
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