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Andrew Herman: Johnny Booth | Furnace Fest 2025 Series · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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  Speaker 1: And we've got Andrew from Johnny Booth. Super excited to
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  Speaker 1: chat with you. Andrew. This is uh, your band, Johnny
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  Speaker 1: Booth is a band that I think I probably maybe
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  Speaker 1: a few years ago now, kind of first heard about.
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  Speaker 1: It's been you know, I didn't hear about you guys
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  Speaker 1: very like early on in the twenty tens. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: last couple of years been checking you guys out, and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, holy cow, this is exactly the kind
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  Speaker 1: of metal core I'm into. You know. If it's not
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  Speaker 1: obvious enough, Colin and I are big like Chariot fans
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  Speaker 1: and Ormagine fans, you know, that kind of chaotic metal.
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  Speaker 1: It's right up our alley. And so first listening to
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  Speaker 1: you guys, were like, holy cow, this is exactly what
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  Speaker 1: we're into. So really excited to chat it more about
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  Speaker 1: your music. But before we get into all of that today,
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  Speaker 1: how are you doing, Andrew.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing great. I'm doing great. I'm just in sitting
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  Speaker 2: in my office in a story at Queen's. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's okay. If you didn't hear about us in the
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  Speaker 2: early days, no one did at all, So that's fine.
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  Speaker 1: That's fine. Well, I mean we've been around our podcast
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  Speaker 1: has been around for over five years and nobody still
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  Speaker 1: has ever heard of us, So that's okay.
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  Speaker 2: It's a grind. No one knows about you until they do,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, that's right.
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  Speaker 1: So what is it like now, you know, playing you
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  Speaker 1: know again, like you guys started what like two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and eight. I'm sure when you guys were playing shows
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  Speaker 1: early on, it's probably like you're lucky if like five
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  Speaker 1: people show up to a house or whatever. Now you
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  Speaker 1: guys are able to play for I'm sure probably what
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  Speaker 1: a couple hundred or maybe more than that. Now, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what's that like to now see like people just like
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  Speaker 1: knowing your music? Like that's got to be like kind
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  Speaker 1: of a cool transition that happens in like your creative endeavors,
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  Speaker 1: where like you go from like people are just showing
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  Speaker 1: up kind of out of obligation to now people are
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  Speaker 1: showing up because they really actually truly like you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I don't know. It definitely is like a
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  Speaker 2: different experience. Like when we when we first started out,
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  Speaker 2: we were just like a college party band, So there
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  Speaker 2: was like a built in scene in Oneonta, the college
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  Speaker 2: that we went to and I don't know, maybe like
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  Speaker 2: fifty to eighty kids in the entire school. We're really
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  Speaker 2: into this genre. So like they'd be a show. We'd
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  Speaker 2: put it on on campus and be a few bands
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  Speaker 2: and like. But during those times, like I didn't even
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  Speaker 2: we would finish writing the music. I didn't even write
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  Speaker 2: lyrics yet, and I would just like fucking do stuff
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  Speaker 2: and then we and then we'd be like, oh that
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  Speaker 2: was cool. Like I would literally write them on the spot,
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  Speaker 2: just to like try stuff out. And that's kind of
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  Speaker 2: how we started forming songs. So before there was no
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  Speaker 2: pressure because no one knew our music, so I can
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  Speaker 2: do anything. So now there's actual pressure for me to
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  Speaker 2: know the lyrics and uh before them. Well, but no,
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  Speaker 2: it's definitely it's a cool experience to go from just
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  Speaker 2: like a college party band to something more real. I
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  Speaker 2: don't I guess real is a perspective thing, right, but
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  Speaker 2: it feels more real. Right. There's there's people who know
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  Speaker 2: the words, they follow the band. They at least tell
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  Speaker 2: me they care, and that's good.
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  Speaker 1: It pays for part of the bills, I'm sure.
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  Speaker 2: I mean not really, I have a full time job.
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  Speaker 2: We we all we all work full time I mean,
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  Speaker 2: we all make some money from the band, but it's
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  Speaker 2: all it's his groceries, right, yeah, yeah, groceries. It it's
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  Speaker 2: all cyclical though, because we're a DIY band. So whatever,
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  Speaker 2: Like anytime anyone listens to the music, we own our music,
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  Speaker 2: that goes right back into the LLC, and then that's
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  Speaker 2: how we fund going on tour. That's how we fund
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  Speaker 2: paying for merch. So we have I basically have like
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  Speaker 2: a built in platform to make music and I don't
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  Speaker 2: spend any of my personal money on it, which is sure,
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  Speaker 2: I think more than most people. Like that's I feel
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  Speaker 2: super grateful for that, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, sure, I think it's kind of interesting that
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  Speaker 3: that you guys started out as a college party band.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like that's such a like a bygone era
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  Speaker 3: kind of thing, like that doesn't exist anymore. I feel
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  Speaker 3: like I've been to a lot of different college campuses,
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  Speaker 3: and obviously I've been to college and all that stuff,
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  Speaker 3: and it, I mean, there was a couple bands, but
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  Speaker 3: I mean they weren't they weren't the kind of thing
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  Speaker 3: that would like draw in a whole bunch of people,
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  Speaker 3: you know, So it's kind of impressive that that's where
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  Speaker 3: you guys got your start. It's also the last place
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  Speaker 3: I probably would have imagined that you guys would have
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  Speaker 3: gotten your start just knowing your sound. I am kind
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  Speaker 3: of curious for you personally, where did where did the
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  Speaker 3: musical journey start?
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  Speaker 2: For me? Personally, I think that I, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: grew up on Long Island, and uh, you know, the
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  Speaker 2: the culture on Long Island is is kind of unique, Like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, sixty percent of the people there just on
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  Speaker 2: a totally different wavelength than the other forty percent. I
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  Speaker 2: think that's why a lot of bands come out of
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  Speaker 2: Long Island.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, So I always felt kind of like, also like
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  Speaker 1: New York is just like an anomaly to me. So
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  Speaker 1: Colin and I grew up like very rural Midwest, and
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  Speaker 1: like especially you know, once you get into like you know,
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  Speaker 1: New York City, right like there's there's Queens, there's the Bronx,
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  Speaker 1: there's Manhattan like there in you and there's like a
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  Speaker 1: different culture within and there's multiple cultures within each one
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  Speaker 1: of those. And then not to mention, like you just
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  Speaker 1: go across the bridge on the Long Island and then
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  Speaker 1: that's got its own thing too. And then if you
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  Speaker 1: keep going across the Long Island. Then you get to
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  Speaker 1: was it the Hamptons or whatever, and it's just there's
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  Speaker 1: just so many things all in this like not that
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  Speaker 1: big of an area. It's pretty incredible.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's insane. Like Long Island on its own as
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  Speaker 2: like seven and a half million people and like that's
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  Speaker 2: separate from the city or anything else, just on its own,
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  Speaker 2: So but you're kind of jam packed in there like
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  Speaker 2: a sardine. Like in order to leave Long Island you
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  Speaker 2: have to actually pay money to leave because you have
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  Speaker 2: to pay tolls. So like growing up, you really don't leave,
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  Speaker 2: Like Long Island is like its own thing because of that,
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  Speaker 2: and like the music scene stays within that and that's
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  Speaker 2: there's a community there. And I think growing up I
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  Speaker 2: didn't really feel a part of anything, and I just
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  Speaker 2: I feel like I needed that connection, right, So I
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  Speaker 2: started going to shows when I was a kid. But
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  Speaker 2: the first, like I think the first CD I ever
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  Speaker 2: bought was like a minor Threat CD. Like I got
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  Speaker 2: really into eighties hardcore, so that, oh yeah, that's like
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  Speaker 2: always been really really big for me and where I
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  Speaker 2: draw a lot of my influences. Even me getting ready
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  Speaker 2: for this tour coming up, I'm just sitting around watching
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  Speaker 2: like old bad brains like CBG, CBS videos and old
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  Speaker 2: like minor threat live stuff, trying to find as much
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  Speaker 2: as I can because that's really what, like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: nourishes me.
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  Speaker 3: I guess sure I would not have guessed hardcore. I
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  Speaker 3: guess I would have thought that maybe, uh, you would
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  Speaker 3: have been like a Corn fan or something like that.
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  Speaker 3: You kind of have a Jonathan Davis kind of look
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  Speaker 3: going on, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, Oh that's Adam. Yeah, there is that influence there.
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  Speaker 2: There definitely is like the uh like the new metal influence,
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  Speaker 2: but that definitely gets pulled in from like Adam and Ryan.
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  Speaker 2: More So, the band really is a collective of people who,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we're all music fans, we all care about
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  Speaker 2: this medium of art, but we all like very different things.
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  Speaker 2: So like my vocal styling kind of comes from like
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  Speaker 2: my background and the music, like the things that I'm
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  Speaker 2: screaming over right, like the the painting underneath it. The
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  Speaker 2: underpainting is definitely way more like New Metal influenced for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting cool, go cool.
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  Speaker 1: It's interesting again. Like Colin found this interesting too, is
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  Speaker 1: that you guys, are you know, this college party band
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  Speaker 1: and you typically I would say maybe generally this is
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  Speaker 1: just kind of like, again, doing lots of interviews with
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  Speaker 1: lots of heavy bands, it seems generally like when most
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  Speaker 1: of these bands start is when they were in high school.
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  Speaker 1: So there's some sort of reason that high school brings
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  Speaker 1: this like hardcore metal kind of you know, type of
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  Speaker 1: influence into I don't know, there's just something about being
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  Speaker 1: in high school usually though by the time you're in college,
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  Speaker 1: like maybe there's more like sophistication or whatever, and then
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  Speaker 1: you might get into like other things. And so when
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  Speaker 1: I think of like people who are starting bands in college,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, the band that they start in college,
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  Speaker 1: you know, around this like you know, mid two thousands era,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like thinking like bands like MGMT or something like
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  Speaker 1: some kind of like indie, interesting, stoner kind of pop
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  Speaker 1: band or whatever, not a hardcore kind of band. And
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  Speaker 1: so I don't know, I just thought that, like I
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  Speaker 1: find that interesting. Is that kind of like your general
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  Speaker 1: impression too, Like do you sort of think like, well,
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of weird that we were this like college
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  Speaker 1: band and not really actually like a high school band.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. From my perspective, it felt very natural
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  Speaker 2: progression in my life to like, okay, now is when
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  Speaker 2: I start this kind of a band. Well, Ryan and
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  Speaker 2: Adam really like started writing and I'm kind of hopped
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  Speaker 2: in part of the way through. But it felt natural
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  Speaker 2: and again in Oneonta at that time, it was kind
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  Speaker 2: of built in. There were other hardcore and metalcore bands
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  Speaker 2: that were like starting within this group. There was like
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  Speaker 2: a large group of people from Long Island and Monroe County,
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  Speaker 2: Westchester County, the Hudson Valley that all went to Oneonta
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  Speaker 2: and we were all kind of into the same shit.
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  Speaker 2: Some people from Albany to and like within that little
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  Speaker 2: like I said, like I don't know, fifty to eighty kids,
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  Speaker 2: we were all like forming bands, going to shows. Like
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  Speaker 2: there was just like this larger scene within this small
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  Speaker 2: town that was kind of separated from everything else. Like
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  Speaker 2: only on has Greek life. There is like normal college
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  Speaker 2: stuff going on, and then there was just this other
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  Speaker 2: group of kids doing something totally different and we kind
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  Speaker 2: of just lived on top of each other, doing totally
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  Speaker 2: different lives. You know, it was interesting, but it felt
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  Speaker 2: natural to me. You know, I don't know when people
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  Speaker 2: really start these bands in their lives or not. I've
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  Speaker 2: kind of done only this band from eighteen to now.
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  Speaker 3: That's a really rare thing in itself.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that part is weird.
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  Speaker 1: There must be something about you know, like New York.
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  Speaker 1: You know, when I think of again, like people in
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  Speaker 1: New York and maybe this is more true like New
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: York City type of people, maybe less you know, like
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  Speaker 1: out of New York City. But you know, when I
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: think of like New York people, you know, it's like
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  Speaker 1: very posh, the Bourgua gee and everything. You know. So anyway,
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  Speaker 1: it but there is, like you mentioned, like there is
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  Speaker 1: kind of this whole crew of people that you know,
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: grew up pretty underground, you know. Obviously, like New York
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  Speaker 1: City has its own like hardcore punk scene that has
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  Speaker 1: been around for a long time and even like more recently,
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: you know, like I think it was every time I died,
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: I think it's from Buffalo. It dies today, I think
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  Speaker 1: it's from Buffalo. And then obviously I know this is
• 11:18
  Speaker 1: not New York, but I think like converges from Massachusetts
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  Speaker 1: Boston area, if I remember right, So like there's something
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  Speaker 1: about like that part of the like New England area,
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  Speaker 1: where there's just like really good hardcore bands that come
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  Speaker 1: out of there. Even though I think generally most people
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: think of like, you know, probably generally like New England
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  Speaker 1: kind of people being like very like you know, rich, white,
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  Speaker 1: liberal kind of folks or whatever, and not the like
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  Speaker 1: underground anarchist kind of people or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: There's just so much here. It's so dense. So like
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  Speaker 2: just my neighborhood alone that I live in, there's like
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  Speaker 2: well over one hundred thousand people just in like a
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  Speaker 2: couple of blocks over here, you know. So it's just like.
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  Speaker 3: That's one eighth of the pot of this in my state.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, It's just like it's so it's so dense that
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: you can kind of find anything good and bad. That's
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  Speaker 2: the beauty of New York City in general, is everything
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  Speaker 2: good and bad is happening right now, all at the
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  Speaker 2: same time.
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  Speaker 3: Always always.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just I'm trying to imagine like fifty thousand
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  Speaker 1: people that could probably fit on your farm.
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  Speaker 3: Color Yeah, easily, easily, because.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly what New York City is, like a whole
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: town on your like plot of land in South Dakota.
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  Speaker 2: We building like a commune. Now, I'm down for it.
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  Speaker 2: Let's do it. Except somehow he's already got the chickens,
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: like high rises in this in this commune.
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  Speaker 3: I want like a fallout style commune, just just like
• 12:53
  Speaker 3: scrapped together palettes, just scrummaging through people's stuff, stealing bolts. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: that's what I'm talking about. Oh man, I love it well.
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  Speaker 1: Cool.
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  Speaker 3: So how does it transition from a college party band
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  Speaker 3: to something more I wouldn't I don't want to say
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  Speaker 3: legit because I don't think that's necessarily the right word,
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  Speaker 3: but something more serious.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think in our heads we were always serious.
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  Speaker 2: We just didn't really know what to do. We're definitely
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  Speaker 2: a second chance band and a band that learned a
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  Speaker 2: lot by doing and fucking everything up and like tons
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  Speaker 2: of mistakes. We didn't have like friends in the like
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  Speaker 2: friends in bigger bands that can take you out or
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  Speaker 2: like any of that part of the community. It was
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  Speaker 2: like a very grassroots, like our own thing. We're always
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  Speaker 2: kind of just outside of like the larger community. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if it was something that we did to
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  Speaker 2: ourselves or whatever, but I think after Oneonta we all
• 13:57
  Speaker 2: moved back to Long Island and we that's when we
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: recorded the Bronze Age, which was it was a very
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: difficult time for all of us I would say we
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: didn't really start hitting our stride until we went through
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  Speaker 2: what we call the Dark period. Like there's this three
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: four year period where after Bronze Age, we leave our
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: label at the time, our booking agent dropped us, our
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  Speaker 2: drummer and our bassis both left the bands. That was
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: a whole thing, not the best. But me, Ryan and
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  Speaker 2: Adam just kept meeting up twice a week for years,
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  Speaker 2: you know that. And Ryan. Me and Ryan known each
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  Speaker 2: other since we were three years old.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Adam I met in middle school, so we've always known
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  Speaker 2: each other. And sorry, I keep clearing my throat. That's
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: terrible for a podcast, terrible medium for this. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: during that period, the dark period, when we were like
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  Speaker 2: very intentional with just kind of having to be on
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  Speaker 2: the sidelines, right, Like we couldn't play shows, we didn't
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  Speaker 2: have a drummer, we didn't have a basis. We were
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  Speaker 2: trying people out. But we work full time jobs, so
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  Speaker 2: it's like whatever you can get done on Wednesdays and
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: Saturdays for a few hours, you just like push the ball,
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: push the ball, push the ball, push the ball. Just
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  Speaker 2: little increments in that time we just saw like the
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: way bands were promoting themselves what we thought was good
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: and bad about it, our idea around just like staying
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: DIY that you know, constantly soliciting and trying to get
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  Speaker 2: help and get on a label and get the right manager,
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: and it's exhausting and it doesn't really do anything for you, right,
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  Speaker 2: Like you need to build that hype. The people on
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: your team need to be excited. It's not about like great,
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm I have this great manager who manages these
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: big bands. But like if they're not excited about you,
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: if you don't have the buzz, if you didn't build something,
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  Speaker 2: it's not gonna work and they're not going to work
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  Speaker 2: for you, right, So we just we it forced us
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  Speaker 2: to like stop and think and like, Okay, well this
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  Speaker 2: isn't a band, this is an art project, and like
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  Speaker 2: let's just put out the art that we want to
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  Speaker 2: put out. And that's when we wrote first hand accounts.
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  Speaker 2: And I wouldn't say we were really that legit until
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  Speaker 2: after that album came out, because that's when like people
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  Speaker 2: started to, I guess more hear about us outside of
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  Speaker 2: like the the region. I think we at that point
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  Speaker 2: we were just like a regional band for a long time.
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  Speaker 2: But I think that's really when things started to move
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  Speaker 2: for us finally, you know. But we put that we
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: put that album out on our own, five grand in debt,
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  Speaker 2: had no plans to tour or play it live. Just
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: let's put it out there, let's do some music videos,
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  Speaker 2: let's we'll just stay like a band on the internet forever.
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  Speaker 2: And that was the plan. Does that to your question
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  Speaker 2: or I just go on along Tegit for no reason?
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  Speaker 3: I think it does. What do you think it was
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: about maybe your sound or what was connecting with with
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  Speaker 3: more people outside of just the regional area that allows
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: you to break out, Because I think this is something
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  Speaker 3: that bans all over the country are like trying to
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: crack the code. They're like, what what is it? What
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: do I need to do to break out of this
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  Speaker 3: this you know glass house I'm living in?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I think it really was the promotion that
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: we did on our own. We were very intentional about
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: like when things were coming out, what they look like, like,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: we thought about how people would react to things, and
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: you know, like we we took you on a journey
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: very intentionally. Also, it's the time, right, so like you
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: we had you have access to things that you know
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: when we start in two thousand and seven eight, like
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: we didn't have access to like distro kid and add platforms,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: and you know, Instagram didn't exist, and like we didn't
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: know how to run YouTube ads. You know, that was
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: the first time we ran YouTube ads, which were like
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: very successful for us. So I think we just operated
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: like like a marketing team basically, But it was just
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: you know, the guys in the band.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and all that's good, but but if you
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: don't have the tunes to go with, then people are
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: gonna come anyway, right.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: I agree. I think the music is your bass, right,
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: Like if the music sucks, then the band sucks. And
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: we had four years to write music, so it's like
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: our process is constantly revisions. Like we've thrown out entire
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: albums worth of music. There's an EP that we are
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: going to record the the studio we were going to
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: record got flooded and we just deleted the whole thing
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: and then wrote Connections the album instead.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: Did some of those songs make it on Connections then?
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: Or nothing at all?
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Why deleted? We do that all the time though, There's
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: like this constant revision process within the band. I think
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: that's part of the reason why our songs are okay.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think they're good to us, but it's hard.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: All this stuff is subjective, right, like sure, sure, okay.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: So I got a couple questions. The first one is
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: a question that I actually usually hate asking, but I
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: feel obligated to ask because it's just to me, it's interesting.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: What was it about the name Johnny Booth that was like,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: we're going to choose a like solo country like like
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: a solo country act name for a band that's a
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: metalcore bands.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: Wait, hold up, Mason solo country act, Johnny Booth, John
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Wilkes Booth.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, I guess I wouldn't have.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: You together, or maybe that's not what it is. I
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: It's yeah, like I said, when we started the band,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: we were a college party band. The first version of
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: this band, we were a band called John Wilkes's Booth
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: with an apostrophe S And it was supposed to be funny.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: And we had like like we were gonna make T
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: shirts with just like like a diner booth on it,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: and like we had a poster that just had like
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: a phone booth. It was supposed to be a man
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: that owned Booths. Yeah you're not laughing. So it wasn't good.
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: So when we we we we kicked out our original
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: bass player and got a new one, and then we
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: decided to come up with a new name. But we
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: liked the idea of it not sounding like a metal band,
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: you know, like it was just so we took we
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: took the idea of the name idea and said, what
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: if it was just like a guy at one of
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: these parties, like Johnny Booth, He's just a dude you'd
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: see drinking beer at a party. Just some guy.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, yeah, he's definitely drinking PBR.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's doing boiler Makers all day. But yeah,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: it's just it's just some It was intentional to not
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: sound like a metal band. That you have to kind
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: of like open that book to discover. Whether that's a
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: good thing or a bad thing. I don't know. But
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: now I'm thirty seven and I'm kind of just too
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: locked in to do anything about that.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: I happen to love it. I mean, like again, like
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: we already mentioned them earlier, but Cullen and I are
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: huge normal Gene fans, and that's part of the reas
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: I think part of the reason why I love Normal
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Gene is it is such It's a name that you
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: wouldn't and now maybe Normal Gene has sort of transcended
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: that name where now you when you think of Normal
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Gene you just think of like heavy music. But I'm
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: sure early on people were like, this doesn't sound like
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: a metal band name.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like Marilyn Monroe, what are you talking about?
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that that band is fantastic, obviously huge influence on us,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: for sure.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: I love it well, that is That is actually something
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: I want to discuss with you, because I feel like
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: your sound is very unique in the scene itself. And
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: maybe the part of that is because of kind of
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: the wide array of influences that you're talking about in
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: such a confined space. But I feel like you guys
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: have this really, really chaotic sound that has a polish
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: to it that usually Mason and I are not fans
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: of we're not fans of polish, but you do the
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: chaotic part with a little bit of that that well
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: produced polish that makes it feel right. It doesn't feel
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: like it's going against like our ethos or something like that.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: You know, Is that something that is intentional as well?
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: I would say everything around the band is very intentional
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: and kind of always has been. We like to kind
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: of think out every little detail. That's why we don't
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: have a lot of music out for being a band
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: for or you know, around for so long. But yeah,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: definitely very very intentional. And again part of it is
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: just like the different influences. But I think the cool
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: thing about you know, there's music like the medium, but
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: then all the different genres kind of have their own
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: like textures to them. I think what's cool about metal, metalcore, hardcore, whatever,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Like this area of the world in music is that
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: you can kind of do a lot of different stuff.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: It's it's more accepted to have songs that can be
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: a little bit of a journey. Like I feel like
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: we like to experiment with song structures, right, Like there's
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: pop structures that we do sometimes, but there's definitely a
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: lot of songs we have that are just kind of
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: like they start somewhere and they end somewhere else and
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: all the stuff in between. There's there's a through line
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: that's purposeful. But you know, there's definitely stuff going on
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: that you wouldn't hear in any other genre of music,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: just because I think people in the metal, metalcore world.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: They like that stuff. They we like interesting parts, right, Like, Yeah,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: it's not like that with like other genres to the
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: same degree, so we have to play into that for sure.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think anyone's going to be arguing that
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: you are a cookie cutter band or anything like that.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: There is.
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of experimentation going on there are it is.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: It is kind of funny because the first thing I
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: think of when I think of Johnny Booth is like,
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: all right, chaotic, kick you in the teeth, heavy, heavy, heavy,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: But then I also remember, like, you guys have a
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: lot of songs with like great clean vocals and almost
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: like like a synth pop kind of vibe to it.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: It goes everywhere, and I really really appreciate that keeps
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: you on your toes. It provides a lot of dynamics,
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: It provides a lot of a lot of moments for
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: you to, like you said, go on a journey as
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: a listener, and that is unfortunately sometimes hard to I'm
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: by in the scene itself.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think there are definitely a lot
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: of bands that you know, there's a lot of people
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: that you it's not just this genre, but no it's
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: not just this genre. I think people go, hey, I
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: want to play metalcore, and then you hear a metalcore
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: band and there's a metalcore sound that like there's a
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: bunch of different bands doing it that are really big,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: and it's easy to be like I want, like I'm
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: playing in this genre. I'm gonna do that. But I
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: think it's important to kind of like be an artist,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: like the concept of stealing like an artist, Like you
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: can take those ideas, but you still need to kind
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: of combine or transform them. So I think having that
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: in mind when you start a band is importantly. When
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: we started, we were like, if the Chariot and Mars
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Volta had a baby, Like that's what I guess, and
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: that's you can I think hear that through everything we've
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: ever done, Like that's built into the basis of the band,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: is the Chariot and Mars Volter like huge influences. And
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: then over time we're like maybe grabbing from other things
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: we're into at that time, but like that's that's the
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: through line for.
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: Us on.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And what's interesting is like probably around the time
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: you guys started, it did feel like there was almost
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: an oversaturation of metalcore bands that just kind of all
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: sounded the same. And I think what it's cool is
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: like you guys started then, uh, and there was kind
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: of this oversaturation, and then you almost kind of got
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: lucky the fact that you didn't put a lot of
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: music out early on, and it has taken sometime because
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: you were able to find that sound too to something
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: where it does sound a little different. And now I
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: think we're actually like in a place in metalcore and
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: like hardcore music where there is just so much unique
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: sounding stuff that is actually kind of really popping off
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: right Like, you know, the dow Boys right now are
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: doing really well, and it's really cool to see them
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: do really well. I'm a huge, you know, fan of
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Loath obviously not Loose is huge, and just all these
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: like metal core bands that are really kind of popping
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: off right now, but they all kind of have their
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: own unique sound and it doesn't feel overly saturated like
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: it did maybe back in like two thousand and nine,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: twenty eleven.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: I agree, they're back. You know, early two thousands, metal
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: core there was like a sound everyone's trying to go
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: for and you're just trying to be the best at that. Yeah,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: and you know, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I just think it's hard to.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Come and that sound was August Burn's Red. Yeah, like
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: everybody just wanted to sound like them. And you know
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: what's funny, like Colin and I make jokes all the
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: time like we have actually no beef with August Burn's Red.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: They just like, unfortunately were the blueprint. And because they
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: were the blueprint, like we almost kind of got sick
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: of them, even though they were the blueprint, Like they
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: were the originators of that particular sound.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: That happens a lot though. I think that that's that's common.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: But yeah, back in the day, it was like do
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: this thing be the best version of this? And now
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: I think not just the scene in general, of the world,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: I think is more accepting of the weird, you know,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: which is it's a cool time to be alive.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank god for thank God for gen Z.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: It's an interesting time to be alive. But yeah, I
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: think also like bands like Turnstile and Knock Loose, and
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: you know, there's a handful of bands that are breaking
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: through in ways that no one in the hardcore meta
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: course scene ever have before. So the genre in general
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: is bringing in new people, which is sick. I think,
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: I think, I don't know your guys feelings on this,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: but I feel like the genre is way less gatekeeper.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: There still exists, there always will be, but you know,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: these bands getting bigger. The ocean that we all live
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: in is just rising, which is good for all of us. Right,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: And I think the ideals, the there's worldviews baked into
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: this music. We should spread it like a virus. We
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: like we should, we should try to get as many
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: people kind of like latched into this. I genuinely do
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: believe that, like, don't gate keep the shit, Like we
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: need to convert the normies as many of them as
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: we possibly can.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: I like that. I like that you're you're you're basically
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: calling for all out war against against the normal and
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: the commonly accepted.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Right yeah, yeah, yes.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: And Like what's interesting though with that is I think, like,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: and certainly I would imagine this is true for you
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: all in your band, is like you still want to
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: be like authentic to whatever sort of sound and art
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: that you're wanting to create, right, Like, it's not like
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: you're wanting to create art that is trying to be
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: as accessible to everybody. You're trying to create art that
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: feels true and authentic to whatever you're feeling, and you're
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: trying to include as many people into that as possible,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: Like you're you're hoping as many people get it as
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: much as possible, knowing that there's no way that like ever,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: you know, there's probably it's probably on likely that every
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Swifty is really going to be into Johnny Booth.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: We'll see, well, But I think making honest music is
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: extremely important because I think people just can tell. And
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: I think that's where some of that like early two
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: thousand medal core stuff fell off because it was some
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: of it wasn't authentic. Some of it was, and some
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: of it wasn't. So I think just making music that
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: is like true to yourself. But then again being a
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: DIY band, being intentional taking you through people like taking
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: purposely taking people through a journey to like get into
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: your music. I think, you know, everything that we do
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: outside of making music is to maximize the amount of
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: people that will see or hear what we're doing, and
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: that kind of drives every decision that I make, especially
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: like marketing the band, or you know, we design and
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: edit everything internally, so you know that that's kind of
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: the main focus. That's how I think we've gotten this
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: far is you know, when when you come to a
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: fork in the road, it's but what will get the
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: most amount of people to see or hear what you're doing.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Everything else is bullshit.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I like that. I also like, I'm really impressed
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: that you have that that attitude because your music would
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: not not suggest that.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Right, that's what That's what I'm saying.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a really really cool kind of line that
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: you're treading, and you're treading it really really well.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: I think, thank you.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: Because you are being true to who you are. As
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: Mason said, you're being true to who you are while
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: still while still trying to promote a well. I don't
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: want to say accessible sound because it's not accessible necessarily
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: it is. It's something that invites.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: M Yeah, I think, no, I understand what you're saying, right, Like,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: the music is true, authentic to us the people making it,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: and I think that that authenticity is something that I
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: hope people can hear and will draw people in. And
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: then the other side of it, because when you're in
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: a band, you're not just making music. That's the weird
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: part of being a band is the other part of
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: being a band is like running the marketing and the
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: business and doing the design work and doing all this
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: other stuff that isn't banned. Really, that's like half of
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: being in a band really, maybe even more. Yeah, And
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: on that side, it's it's all like, let's use the
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: tools and the technology that we have available to us.
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: And I think that I like to address that a
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: lot because I think a lot of bands in the
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: underground they'll use excuses like, oh, well, the algorithm is
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: shadow banning me, or you know, why put your stuff
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: on Spotify because it steals from artists. I'm like, you
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: have to meet people with where they're at. Where are
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: the listeners going actively look at how people behave online
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: and absorb music, and do the things to promote your music,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: you know, in the way that people already tap into
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: the way people already interact with things. Right, So sure,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: I think it's important to kind of like always drive
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: that message. And that's kind of why I do talk
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: about that stuff a lot, because I do want this
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: genre to spread. I want younger bands to get bigger.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: But yeah, like, yes, the world sucks, but you know,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: just you do it, do it anyway.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's very obvious actually that you guys
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: are influenced by The Chariot, because that is one thing
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: that I think Josh Skogin always was mindful and intentional about,
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: was the marketing piece of being in a band, and
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: obviously the performance and everything matters just as much as
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: the actual music and creativity of the music itself. Yeah, right,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: And so I like, I still remember watching all those
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: documentaries or I shouldn't say all of those the two
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: documentaries that The Chariot put out when they were very
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: early on as a band, and you'd see like Josh,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: you know, they'd be stuck at some Walmart or whatever,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: and he'd like find some cardboard and do some sort
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: of spray paint cardboard thing to give out to fans
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: or I don't know, like he just was always in
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: that mind frame of how can we promote this, uh
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: in a way that feels authentic to who we are
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: as a band. I don't know, he just was always
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: really mindful of that. It seemed like in a way
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: that you know, again, like you mentioned like there's some
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: people and in that scene that are just like they're
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: always like antagonistic to the marketing piece, or the business aspect,
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: or the the you know, just the I don't know,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: just the general business of being in a band.
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: I think of a I think there's this documentary I
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: watched a while ago and it had the Melvins in it,
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: and I think the Melvins are a great example of this.
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: They were too cool to promote themselves, and they were
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: too cool to want to put themselves out there, as
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: you know, the progenitors of this you know, cool genre
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: that's starting to pop off in the in the Pacific Northwest, right.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: And then when other bands kind of took what they
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: did and actually marketed themselves and actually wanted to reach
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: people where they were at instead of being antagonistic to it,
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, those bands were popping off. And
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: now the Melvins are sitting in the background pissed off
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: because they think that everyone just stole everything from them.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: So I think that there is a little bit of
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: like this argument in the underground especially and the DIY
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: kind of bands, where they think that it's selling out
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: or they think that it's uncool, But you don't need
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: to sell your soul to the devil in order to
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: in order to have that mindset as well, that hey,
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: I want to reach people where they're at and not
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: just play to the same fifteen twenty people I've been
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: playing to my entire life.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: It's not uncool to make your music as big as
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: you possibly can or like push it. You know, I
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: understand where that's sent I think comes from. But yeah,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: I definitely just totally disagree with it because I you're
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: the amount of time you it's it takes for you
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: to like write an album, actually write record, you get
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: it pressed, if you're trying to get a label doing
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: all that, like it takes years. It took it takes
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: us years, So why am I just gonna throw it
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: out there? And I do think that there is an
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: argument to be made, like being like the cool band,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: but be intentional about it, like think it through. There
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: still should be pieces of it that like are like
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: promoting still, but like being the cool band can work,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: but you just need to like be intentional in your actions.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Don't just do it because you don't want a participate.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: You think that there's you know, there's a do you
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: think there's like a fear that's involved with that, that
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: there's people that are like, hey, I believe in my music,
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: but I don't necessarily believe in it enough to to
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: push it, and so therefore I'm going to just blame
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: the system. Is that so what it is you think?
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: I think there's insecurity in all of us, right, and
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: to make music and put it out there to play shows,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: or to release music at all, is to be vulnerable
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: in some way. I think That's why. To me, it's art,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: you know, and to treat it like art, I think
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: is important. But for some people they don't look at
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: themselves as an artist and put it out there to
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: play shows. You know, it probably goes the same for
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: lots of people feeling like a musician, feeling like an artist,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: feeling good enough, and ultimately none of that really matters.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: You know, if you're going to take the time to
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: put it out, take the time to release the music,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: and you should take the time to try to promote it.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: You know, it could help someone ten twenty years down
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: the road. I think that's the cool thing about music,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: is it It can live longer than your meat vehicle,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: you know, I feel lucky.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: It's a great way to describe it. Well, speaking of
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: releasing music, is there any plans to be releasing any
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: music in the near future. I know the last album
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: came out just a couple of years ago now, but yeah,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: any hopes to get some new stuff out here soon
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: for sure.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been interesting like this time in our lives
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: because we're touring more than we ever have, which is
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: still not a lot compared to like full time bands.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: We're still we're still all like nine to five rs,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: you know. But yeah, we're working on It's just kind
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: of hard to kind of do touring and writing at
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: the same time. But we do have We just released
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: a song get Well soon. We have another song locked
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: and loaded in the chamb. I hate that I abbreviated that. Like,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: as I said, I'm awful. I'm just kind of saying
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: anything at this point, but yeah, we have another song ready.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: We're like starting to work on another album. But I
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: think I think we'll just like kind of drop some
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: singles for a little bit and then we'll like really
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: hone in yeah, probably next year and like start to
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: really write another album again. It all has to be intentional,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: like when the time is right, the time is right,
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: but it will happen. They'll we'll always be around. It'll
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: just take years. It's fine killer.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: A lot of people are saying, uh, song of the
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: year already.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I mean I mean I like up on
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: the reddits and all that stuff as well, and I
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: would have to agree it goes so hard, dude, thank
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: you so hard.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: You well.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: Also, I know you guys are doing some tours here soon,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: but we brought you on to talk about for Incest
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: as well. Uh have you have you guys played it
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: for Incest form trying to remember No.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Never, never been very never, it's never been.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: All right, Well, it is simply the best festival there,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: and I'm sure every festival for you from here on
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: out will pale in comparison. It's just simply the best.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: So you know, ride that high while you're there. But yeah,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: anything that fans can expect from your set at Furness Fest,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: I'm sure it's probably gonna be similar to what you
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: guys typically play, maybe for like a thirty minute set
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: or whatever, but yeah, any any fun surprises we.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Could expect, Yeah, I mean one will definitely be playing
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: the new song obviously get well soon, so if you
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: know the lyrics, please help me out. I think it's
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: going to be very hot and I may need your
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: support physically emotionally. Yeah, so that would be fun. I'm
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: excited for that. And so for this tour coming up
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: leading into furnesce Fest, we're playing a song that we've
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: never played live before, and I'm not going to tell
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: you which one, but it's from Moments Elsewhere. There's a
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: few songs that on the Moments Elsewhere a tour we
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: didn't get to play live, and we've there's two songs
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: in particular that I think may bust out for furnace Fest,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: but again, we've never played them live. So am I anxious?
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: Am I nervous? I think those mean the same thing,
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: So yes, I'm freaking out on the inside, but I'm excited.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: I just want people to have a fun time. And
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: I love the idea of playing furnace Fest because it's
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: such like a festival culture in general. It's yep, it's
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: an exciting, singular event. That's what shows should be, right,
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: like you should treat shows. It's easy to get caught
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: in like the I'm playing thirty shows this month and
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: what's just crank them out one show after another. You
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: can see bands getting jaded, not for the people in
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: the audience, like it's a single serving of I'm playing
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: thirty shows. Yeah, yeah, you know, there's just so much
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: more baked into furness Fest already, and I believe we're
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: playing the Shed too, So I'm very, very excited to
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: just kind of be a part of that story and
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: hopefully create a like a unique and awesome thirty minutes
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: for people. So yeah, I'm excited.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: I love that point about. I love that point about
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: you know, the fact that you know that this is
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: something where for the people who are showing up, it
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: isn't just thirty days of touring, right, Like, it's the
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: one show that they're going to to see you, and
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: even maybe more more to that, this is the only
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: time that that group of people will ever be in
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: the same room together, right, So why not make that
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: the most special thing for that moment, right Like it
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: you'll never get that that unique number of people or
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: that that unique group of people in the same room
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: ever again, and that I think is special and we
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: should treat it as such.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Right Yeah. No, I one hundred percent agree. I think
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: every show is like that, but especially festivals, especially Furnace
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Fest on top of that, so it's It's something that
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: I think more people should appreciate, you know, But I
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: also get you if you tour full time. I lived
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: two lives at the same time, so like it's it's
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: weird for when you're a nine to five or but
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: you're also like touring and doing that stuff. But for me,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: when I do play, it's like there's nothing else that matters.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: There's no before or after, it's just right now, Like
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: how could I get people the most excited possible and
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: for them to have like the most amount of fun
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: and hopefully build that connection with each other. Right, Like
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: the scene really helped me feel like I belong in
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: this world. I think that is so important. That's such
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: an important aspect of this. So the band is kind
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: of like the central piece in creating those connections. So
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: like just give a shit, you know.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Well, speaking of giving a shit, are are
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: there any bands that you're going to give a shit
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: at Furness Fest that you're gonna see?
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Too many bands? Honestly? Well, obviously knock Loose still in
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: your escape plan shout out Billy Rymer, great person. Very
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: excited to see them play. I didn't get to catch
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: them when they played New York. So I'm pumped for
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: that Tony Danza Tap Dance Have a Ganza. Yeah, that's
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: gonna be I I may actually throw up. It's gonna
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: be so much fun. I'm very excited to see that band. Also,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: if you guys are into this band's soft play, yeah,
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: I love that band quite a bit. They're playing Furnace Fest.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: And are they the one from like Britain or something.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Okay, they're awesome. They put out a new
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: album called Heavy Jelly, I believe, and very excited to
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: see them, and I the cool thing about festivals is
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: like you can discover new bands, right, so like I'm
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: excited to you hit the early stages, you know, like
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: we'll be there all day. So I love going. I
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: always see openers, right, like when I go to see
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: live bands and shit, So I'm pumped for that.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: Hell yeah, hell yeah. That's uh. That is actually probably
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: one of my favorite things to do, especially at festivals,
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: because it's you're already there, so you might as well
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: you might as well just go find something new, right.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: If there's something that there's three bands playing on a
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: ticket or on the on the same time slot, you
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: got options.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: So yeah, hoop around, see something news. But if you
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: don't know all three of them, like check them out.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: Cool.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm I'm so stoked for a furnaces. This will
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: be Colin and NIC's fifth year. We've been to all
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: the furnace fests that you know, since that first kind
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: of iteration of it in the early two thousands, So
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Colin and I have been back ever since, and it
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: has It's like it's one of our favorite kind of
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: moments together as friends. Colin and I have been best
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: friends for many, many years, and it truly is like
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: one of our favorite experiences that we get to experience together.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: So I'm excited that you will also be able to
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: experience for this fast for the first time.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: I'm very pumped. That's also adorable. I love that.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we are adorable best friends.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad that you used adorable. Usually usually they
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: think they say gay.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: No, it's cute, it's good, it's a good thing.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: Mason and I will go to bars and stuff like
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: that together and like they're always.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: How long have you? Oh, I'm so glad that you
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: guys can get married now.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: No joke, you think that's a joke. It's not a joke.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: They're like, they're like, wow, since twenty fifteen, you've been
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: able to do that. They got rid of sodomy launch
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: just for you.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: Two.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Where do you guys live again?
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: We grew up in the same hometown in Watertown, South Dakota.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: Mason lives in Minneapolis.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Now, oh, breaking up the band?
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah? The hell bro All right, Well we're close enough.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: We get to hang out every now and then in person.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, especially and other times.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, So well, let's talk about your top
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: five most influential albums. It sounds certainly like the Charde's
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: going to be there. Maybe maybe Mars Folta. Yeah, let's
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: let's hear. Let's hear this top five.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, I think I got to start with band
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: in DCA brands.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so go good.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a fantastic band, fantastic album. First hardcore band
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: on the East Coast ever, so they're such a huge
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: influence for me.
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: Is that really the first one?
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Uh huh? They so you can argue DA technically put
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: out the first hardcore album, but I think they were
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: like three weeks apart. But back then, like coasts and
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: geography mattered, so yeah, Bad Brains put out the first
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: hardcore record on the East Coast of all time, and
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: they should get their flowers for that.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well they're also just badass in general. Yeah, so yeah,
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: even if they weren't the first, amazing.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: They're sick and they're definitely a huge influence for me.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: And then I will say, also Germs, GI, I think
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: they're like the precursor to hardcore, and I very much
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: love the Germs. Yeah, I would say like hardcore probably
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: wouldn't exist without bands like the Germs, and then you know,
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: punk rock without iggy Pop and the Stooges, right, So
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: it's that kind of relation to me, A.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: Quick question, the precursor to hardcore? Would they call that
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: like chubby core or what?
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of a mix. It's basically punk rock,
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: but it's like there's this weird exchange, right, Like reggae
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: heavily influenced punk rock in like England, and then England
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: created punk and punk when it came over to hear
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Americans made it hardcore, right, So like there's this early
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: early parts were like the Ramones obviously were a big
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: part of punk rock, and the later stages of punk
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: rock in America like the Germs, you know, A couple
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: of years later is when hardcore was like first invented.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: So like, yeah, I I I'm a nerd with this ship,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: so I can talk it.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: I I was trying to. I was just trying to
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: make a bad direction joke.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna talk about it like it matters, and
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: I like this stuff. I'm gonna take that joke and
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: I'm going to ruin it.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: No idea. Pat Smear was in that band, which now
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: I'm realizing Pat Smear is so much older than like
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Dave Grohl.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: Yes, actually he booked. They booked their first show before
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: he learned how to play. He bought a guitar, played
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: booked the show, and then learned how to play guitar
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: for that show.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Holy shit, that is punk rock as ship. Just like
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: that's why punk rock sounds like the way it does.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: It's got to be the same three chords in different orders.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: Didn't know any better, all right, So those are two yes, Okay,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: So then yeah, obviously I gotta do a Mars Volta
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: de laust. It's almost not fair, you know what I mean,
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: because I think that album is too good. Like when
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: you talk about Mars Vulta albums. I almost think you
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: need to like not say that one because it's so
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: obviously the right one, you know what I mean. So
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: I think that's how I feel about it. But I
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: think that's probably one of the best albums.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Can you can you settle a like a potential hot
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: take that I may have? Okay, and I don't. Maybe
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: it is a hot take, maybe it isn't. I just
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: don't like. Maybe that's my question. I think that at
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: the Drive In is better than Mars Volta. Is that
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: a hot take or is that not a hot take?
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: I think the people, regardless of whether you think it's
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: right or wrong, do you think it's a hot take.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's a hot take, but I think
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: like public opinion would say that's a hot take. But
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: they're just so different, you know, that's true, Like they're
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: making totally different things. But I do understand where you're
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: coming from. But I think Mars Volta is just so
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: multi dimensional. There's just so much going on, Like they're
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: like the Pink Floyd of our generation, and it's kind
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: of hard to be Like there's other bands around that
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: time that were doing really sick shit but like it's
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: Pink Floyd, you know what I mean.
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little more a little more proggy.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: For sure, but that they're I feel like they're in
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: the same vein of like Timeless, and I think that's
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: why I like them too. Chariot, I think, will also
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: be one of those bands, like there's a million bands
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: out there, but only a handful will be Timeless. Will
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: actually four generations down the road, people is going to
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: pick up those CDs and be like like bad brands
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: like I just said, like band in DC like that
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: that's going to be around way longer than any of
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: those people live. That's amazing, you know.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: Mars Volta I think are one of those bands too,
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: even though their new album I didn't like.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Sorry, it's also hard to believe again and maybe I
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: just like missed the whole Mars Volta train, but I
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: can't believe how much more popular they are than At
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: the Drive in Yeah, I mean I think really it
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: is one of those things like typically once you like
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: quit your band, right like a band, and it wasn't
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: like as you know, At the Drive was big at
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: the time, and once you like leave that and then
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: start another thing. Typically you don't end up getting way
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: more popular, but somehow that happened with I'm forgetting those
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: guys Rodriguez, I think both of them are anyway, but
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: that doesn't typically happen.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it definitely is like a rare arc. It's
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: a cool arc because the other guys on the band
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: started Sparta Correct, which is also an interesting band. More
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: like at the Drive in I would say, yeah, but
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: now we've gone into a tangent, haven't we. Yes, sorry,
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: I'm the Fiance obviously, same thing interesting. I have to
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: because that was the That was the first time so
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: I was really into eighties hardcore, like I've talked about
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: too much, and I also really like reggae and Scott
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: and things like that, punk rock, but the Chariot and
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: like Calculating Infinity, like I heard of those around the
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: same time. And that was the first time I heard
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: someone like screaming like that, Like eighties hardcore people are yelling.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: It's not fully formed in terms of screaming the way
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: that we think of it today. So The Fiance was
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: the first time that I like heard someone scream like that,
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: and I really connected with it, and I listened to
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: that album on repeat all the time. I mean, Josh
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: is such like a foundational piece I think in the
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: scene and in this genre of music, so much so
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: that I played a show with sixty eight and I
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: could not meet Josh because I was afraid I would
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: punish him, and I went to go on stage. Caloustawboys
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: is setting up Josh's side stage. I went to go
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: watch Calistavoys side stage. I look over, Josh is there
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: and I left the venue. I didn't even I just left.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: I was like, all right, I don't belong here, Like
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: I can't meet him. It sucks because I think he's amazing.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: That might be the ultimate form of imposters total. I
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, I don't know if there's a more
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: clear example of it.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: I was like, there's no possible way for me to
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: meet you and to like hold up.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Like I have to be physically out of like I
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: can't be in the same space as you.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's a real that's an actual true story.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: You know what. That's actually probably better though. Don't meet
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: your heroes, don't.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: Meet somebody, don't get out of the same building as
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: you're here. Yes, the moment that you finally get to
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: play a show with that person, fucking go oh just leave.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't the floor. I know I couldn't do it, man,
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: I couldn't do it. I wish I could. He's probably fantastic.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: It scares me.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's funny. I literally have the exact opposite reactions,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: Like I just it's just him. When whenever I see
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: somebody there, I'm like, oh my god, they've changed my life.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: I want to meet that person.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: It's just him, man. It really is like specific to Josh.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: I've met tons of people that I've been like, I
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: grew up listening to him and like now we're cool,
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: like we talk, we're friends. Josh, I just was like,
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: he's too like, as you.
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: Know, there's there's an enigmatic quality to him that it
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: feels like it is a little bit untouchable. So Mason
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: and I have had a chance to meet him a
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: couple of times, and both times it felt very very
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: strange to me, but like everyone else in the and
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: not an issue at all. Right, it's there, there's some
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: there's some enigmatic quality that I don't know. I don't
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: quite don't quite.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: I do think his mind works on a different wavelength
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: than most people. Yeah, and so he probably is one
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: of those people where and I'm sure he's like cool shit, Like,
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, he just probably is one of
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: those people that's like and how you become like good
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: friends with him, he's like maybe a little difficult to
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: like just be cool around.
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, to get a read on especially Yeah.
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: Like, I'm sure Aaron weis for me without yous like
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: that too, Like I've only met him once and he
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: was really kind, but he's probably like I guess, like
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: what I maybe I'm trying to say, is the other
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: guys in like Me without You, for example, are those
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: are the kind of guys that like you can just
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: strike up any kind of conversation with. It's Aaron that
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: might be a little bit more like he kind of
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: gotta be on his own way strange, just doing his
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: own And I'm sure that's probably maybe the case for Josh.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: I could be wrong. I don't know.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's I don't know, obviously, I don't know
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: him either.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: Right, Andrew, I think you got more Sorry You're good.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: System of a Down the self titled Yes, oh yes, yes,
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: it's it's the same thing again. I think the last
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: three albums I named were like if you were like,
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: all right, what's the best album of that band, It's
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: you can't even say it because like it's so up
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: here and the rather the other ones are like in
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: the mix, so it's not even a conversation, right, It's
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: like you want to have that like ranking order, it's
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: it's it's that one.
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: Sorry, Yeah, I think uh. I have a kind of
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: a weird take on on System of Down. I think
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: that they might be the most misunderstood band, like of
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: all time. Like I feel like nobody misunderstanding, Like nobody
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: knows what to think about them. So, like you have
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: like the diehards that obviously like they will ride or
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: die no matter what. Then you have a couple they
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: have you have quite a few people that know the
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: big tunes and then everything else they would be massive
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: turned off by. And then you have people who think
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: that they're satanic, and then you have some people that
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: they're like firmly like new metal, and then you have
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: some people that say that they're radio rock, and then
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: you have me and I'm like, I'm pretty sure that
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: they're just like the talking heads for the metal world.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: That's an interesting take. Actually, I've never heard anyone say
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: that before, and as you said it, I'm like that
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: kind of makes sense. They're definitely like their own thing.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of new metal bands got just
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: roped into it's new metal, but it's like they're just
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: kind of a unique band. It's not the thing they
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: have new metal ish stuff, but it's also kind of
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: the way that they came up that time period. But
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: they're definitely one of the more unique band because also
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: like at a time they were like Deaftones is new metal,
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: but like they were around before and way after, you know, right.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Kind and they were always kind of doing their own
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: thing that didn't sound exactly like Lincoln Park or Corn
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: or whatever I.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: Think, and arguably they fit that that Moniker the least.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but even those bands like Corn Lincoln Park, like
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: a lot of the bands in new metal, like if
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: you just remove the genre and like really look at
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: them across like metal and hardcore and metal core, like
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: they're all pretty unique bands, like all those big ones.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: There's only one band that I would actually consider like
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: fully new metal, and that is Biscuit, not limb Biscuit,
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: I would say mud Vain, Hey, I can I think
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: they're like the quintessential metal band.
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what about what's the alien Ant Hill Farm? Alien
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: Ant Farm Farm Farm.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: A new band, but you just made that.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: It's actually pretty funny.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: Alien Ant Farm. I don't think they're they were not
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: new metal. I actually really liked them when they first
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: came out, Like I did buy their first CD and listen.
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: To They had great tunes. They're left on.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: Rifts don't lie. I think that's important. You know, sometimes
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: bands have like a a stigma that happens or like
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: the fans or I don't know what it is, but
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: you know, riffs don't lie.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you are willing to cover the prince
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: of pop and not completely fuck it up good, it's
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: pretty impressive. And you got the blessing from Michael Jackson
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: himself to to do it because he liked it. I mean,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: that's that's something completely different.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: It's true. That's true.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: That's true. So so here's my So it's interesting you
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: think the system of down is misunderstood Colin, because like
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: I actually don't understand how they got so popular, Like
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: there is truly true nothing about them from like especially
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: like even contextually, like you think around that time, especially
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: like a lot of alternative music was like really important,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: you know, really popular. But still I don't know how
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: they broke through because like as good of a vocalist
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: that Surge is, like obviously just his range is incredible,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: Like he just he sounds weird, like he just is
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: a weird way of doing vocals music. The music itself
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: is weird, Like you've got like the obviously the like
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: Middle Eastern kind of influences that you hear. But then
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: like somehow they were able to make catchy pop songs,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: Like I don't understand how they were able to like
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: do all these things and it's still become like worldwide popular.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: So they're understood, is what you're saying.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I guess, like I don't don't understand's But
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: that's the part of it that I don't understand, Like
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: I all those other questions that you had about, like
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: you know, how they maybe are misunderstood like that to
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: me seems to make sense. What I don't understand is
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: how did they just get so popular? I don't understand it.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's interesting.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: I think that getting in with Rick Rubin certainly helps that.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: I do think that's a part of it.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I think the backstory two of them being
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: Armenian and everything that kind of comes along with that
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: makes you interested. I think that alone is like what
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: does that sound like?
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: I think they have like a built in story that
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: makes you want to like it's intriguing, you'll open that
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: door whether you stay in that room or not. As different,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: but like everyone's listened to them once, you know.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: I think, I actually think it comes down to one
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: major thing musically at least, and it's.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: That they are.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: The most perfect dynamics band ever. Their Their mixture between
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: loud and soft and like gentle and absolutely like kick
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: you in the face, is there's no other band that's
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: done it as well as they have. Well also maintaining
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: like really really good grooves and stuff like that. I mean,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: that's just not something that most bands are even capable of.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: So very unique. Yes, yeah, yeah, that's a great list.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: Huge that list at me too.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: I haven't really gotten into like a lot of the
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: eighties seventies hardcore stuff as much, but my goodness, that's
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: an incredible list.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: That's the time, that is the time dive into it.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: It's always a good time to look back, I think,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: so I do.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: I do long for a day when we interview somebody
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: that un ironically mentions a G. G Allen album No
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: as an influence.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: No, No, I think the only way that that could
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: be a part of your most influential list is if
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: you were there and you watched.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: You saw it, you saw it.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: I was there, brother, Yeah, yeah, you need you need,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: you need an old head to Yeah.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: That may be a little bit too out there, but yeah,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: I mean there's definitely that person exists. It could oh
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: yeah if you Yeah, someone will say it and they
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: don't mean it as a joke, but they should. But
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: I think, but they should. I think, uh yeah. I
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: love eighties hardcore and I think everyone should just dive
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: into the history of where a lot of this stuff
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: comes from and that that's kind of why I listened
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: to a lot of reggae growing up too. It's like
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: reggae SKA the first generation of that. They wouldn't be
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: punk rock. Without punk rock, they wouldn't be hardcore.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: So yeah, speaking of hardcore. By the way, I don't know, Andrew,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: if you're a fan of the band The Beautiful Sorry,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: the world is beautiful place and I'm no longer afraid
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: to die.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: Have you heard of them.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: That's literally the band name. The world is a beautiful
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: place and I'm no longer afraid to die. They have
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: been like a very kind of classic like fourth or
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: third wave indie emo band. But they they're just starting
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: to put out like some singles for this new album,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: and it's like some of it is just straight up
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: hardcore and it's unbelievable.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, in interesting. I just pull them up on Spotify,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: I will listen.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they've been around for a while. I mean they've
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: probably got six or seven albums out now, but yeah,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: they're incredible. But it's all very like like indie emo
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And then now they're just deciding. I
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: don't know, they just I don't know if they got
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: a new guy that screams or if that guy has
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: been in the band and now is just like unleashing
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: that part of his what what he has to offer.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: But it is incredible.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: Ye sick. Yeah, I'm gonna check him out after this.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: Love it, Love it.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: What would you like to plug?
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: What I like to plug? What would I like to plug?
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: What would I like to actually plug?
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah? What would you like to actually plug for?
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm plugging toilet Yeah, I'm plugging that we're going
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: on tour with We came as Romans for July and August,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: so that's gonna be fun.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: It's a North America tour, so if you live in
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: a city, I will be there hopefully most likely, please come.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: It's gonna be fun again. We are playing a song
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: we've never played before live and I'm scared, so help
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: me help me out.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: And it's will our good friend Jeremy Schaeffer be doing
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: some sound for you guys.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: Jeremy is such a beautiful man. I could also do
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: a whole other podcast about how much I like him,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: but I will say Jeremy, I think knows more about
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: live music than almost anyone on the planet, and we
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: are very grateful to have him a part of the team.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: So yeah, he's going to be with us new merch.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: We got some sticker packs that we just made. I
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: got them in my room. They're actually in a box
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: right here and right off camera. But yeah, we're going
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: on tour and then we're going to Furnace vest and
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: we're also doing Bliss Myths this year, maybe a couple
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: of tours in between, and then we'll be writing music
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: in and around all of these things. So it's going
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: to be an exciting like next half of the year.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: So if anyone is into it and wants to scream
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: along and grab this microphone, I fully promote that, So
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: please help.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: Hell yeah, anything else?
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah. So if you go back and you
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: watch season three, episode two of broad City, you will
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: see me in the background of the co op episode
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: where one of the characters twerks and knocks over all
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: the beans. I am a man shopping in the background.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: Hell yeah, hell y yeah.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: Were you expecting this? Like, were they like did you
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: were you casted to be in this or was this
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: something where you were just trying to shop like a
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: normal ass person and all of a sudden, somebody's twerking
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: and you're like, what the fuck?
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: No, I got a I actually this is the only
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: time I did extra work. For some reason, they were
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: they were looking for people and uh that looked like
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: they worked or would go to a co op and
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: will you get them? And apparently I'm just the guy
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: they needed. I goes type shasted as co op shopper,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: and I was like it was pretty cool, you know,
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: like craft services is the thing I never experienced before. That,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: so that was fun. I basically just sat around and
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: ate food. It was also the episode they did the
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: ginger Man blunt and there's a guy that they have
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: on staff who just rolls blunts all day. That's that
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: was his job, and I got to watch him like
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: actually make a ginger Man blunt together. And how much
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: is that guy getting paid more than me? But yeah,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: it was a really cool experience and that is a
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: thing that happened once in my life.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll make sure that I go back. I love
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: the fact that you're just You're just the look of
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: a person that goes to co op. I mean, as
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: somebody who lives in Minneapolis. I don't know how much
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: you've explored Minneapolis, Andrew, but Minneapolis has plenty of co ops,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: and honestly, I think all co ops must be the same,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: because you look exactly like somebody that would go to
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: a Minneapolis.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: Co op to I'm insulted, I'm upset. I've never been.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: I've never been there. Actually I hope to go soon,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: but I've never been. And I will venture into one
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: of your co ops.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: And you will find you'll find fifty other guys that look.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: Exactly like the universe will break because I'll be working there,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: You'll be doing the Spider Man. Mean, yeah, they'll be
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: like the Time the Time timeline will rupture and Biff
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: will be president kind of is yeah, pretty much is
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: I think about that all the time. Sorry, another tangent
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: that's the future too, is true, And I feel like
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: we're we like the Riff the Shitty Timeline, like we
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: just that's just us now, and there's a version of
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: you that like everything's cool and fine, but we got
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: like the Biff one.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: It's uh, it's something that I'm gonna need to go
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: back and watch again and try to pick out as
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: many details so I can see where the future is going.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: You should because he looks like him too, so it's
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: like if it's uncanny and he runs it like.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: Somehow though Biff has better hair, which is wild.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, of course.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: I feel very excluded from this conversation.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: Ever seen back to the future, shame.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: Not are you guys talking specifically? Maybe the first one,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: mate number two, but if I have, it's been number
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: two with the Riff, with the Biff Riff Timeline, the
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: Big Riff Timeline.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: Mason, you need to go watch it, right now.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true, I've got a meeting to go to,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: but all right, we'll after your meeting, all right, well,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: I'll listen to that band and after that meeting, you'll
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: watch Back to the Future too.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: Great, We've got we've we've got tasks.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: We have homework, homework, all right.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: Well, Andrew, thank you so much for sharing a little
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: bit more about Johnny Booth. Super excited. Hopefully we can
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: catch you at a town near us, you know, with
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: this new tour. But at the very least we will
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: certainly see you in October. We'll give you a big
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: hug and yeah, I'm just really really stoked.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: Hell yeah, looking forward to seeing you guys at Furness
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: Best Hell yes,