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Jags A.M. Podcast Ep. 207 | One More Win to Clinch AFC South Title · Jags A.M.

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Speaker 1: Them in to jag XAM.
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Speaker 2: I'm kind of Hona Stevens, Brian Sexton, John Osier with
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Speaker 2: us today. It's week eighteen. We've made it to the
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Speaker 2: end of the regular season. Let's talk about our big
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Speaker 2: things today, brought to you by GEH Government Employees Health Association.
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Speaker 2: Big Thing Number one is one more time. They've got
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Speaker 2: one more regular season game and it's against the Titans.
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Speaker 2: It's always fun to beat the Titans, Brian, and we're
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Speaker 2: hoping there'll be more games at the bank, but we
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Speaker 2: don't know that just yet. But this will be the
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Speaker 2: final regular season matchup.
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Speaker 3: Well, listen, beat the Titans and you will get one
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Speaker 3: because they'll win the AFC South and as the division winner,
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Speaker 3: you're guaranteed a home playoff game. So make that the story.
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Speaker 4: You know.
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Speaker 3: KAI In the Jaguars history of the AFC South, which
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Speaker 3: goes back to the two thousand and two season when
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Speaker 3: the NFL realigned, the Jaguars have not fared very well.
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Speaker 3: They have three seasons with four wins and they've only
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Speaker 3: won the division title twice. This would be an opportunity
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Speaker 3: to win five games for the first time to grab
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Speaker 3: the division title once again, but they're still behind in
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Speaker 3: the standings against all three teams, against the Colts, against
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Speaker 3: the Titans, and against the Texans, they have a losing record.
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Speaker 3: So for pride's sake, besides the division, go win at home.
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Speaker 3: Slam the door on these guys well, and it's.
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Speaker 5: A chance to to, you know, sort of stamp this
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Speaker 5: regular season as certainly the best since they've been in
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Speaker 5: the AFC South. They've won it twice, but they won
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Speaker 5: it with a ten and six record in twenty seventeen
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Speaker 5: and nine and eight record. Remember in seventeen, the Titans
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Speaker 5: were still sort of beating their chest. Oh we beat
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Speaker 5: the Jaguars twice. You win it with a thirteen and
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Speaker 5: four record. It's certainly the best season they've had since
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Speaker 5: realignment and O two.
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Speaker 4: So it's big in that sense.
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Speaker 5: But look, it's a second game and it's a division opponent,
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Speaker 5: just like last week. To talk like it's already won
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Speaker 5: is incorrect.
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Speaker 4: They got to go win it.
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Speaker 1: Second.
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Speaker 2: Big thing, which is possibilities we're talking about. The Jaguars
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Speaker 2: obviously control their own destiny, but there's still some movement
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Speaker 2: that can go along.
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Speaker 1: In the AFC.
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Speaker 2: We don't know what the playoffs are exactly, gonna look like.
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Speaker 2: But John, this is what we've been talking about, wanting
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Speaker 2: to be in a position where the Jaguars can just
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Speaker 2: focus on themselves and not worry as much about other teams.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: I kind of looked today when I was looking for
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Speaker 5: a story that I was working on. They've only been
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Speaker 5: off the graphic for one week this year. I mean,
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Speaker 5: they've always been in that top seven, So that's what
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Speaker 5: you want to be. But you really want to be
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Speaker 5: there at the end if they can get fortunate and
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Speaker 5: have either the Broncos or Patriots to lose, which doesn't
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Speaker 5: look that likely, but weird things happen in week eighteen.
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Speaker 5: So go win in the afternoon and go watch in
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Speaker 5: the late afternoon, and maybe you.
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Speaker 4: Get a break and get to number two.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was hoping last week that the
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Speaker 3: Chargers would give them a hand and beat the Texans,
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Speaker 3: and then I saw that Justin Herbert's not going to play.
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Speaker 3: So listen, get the whole playoff game. See what you
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Speaker 3: can do with that one. And I mean, the Chargers
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Speaker 3: are a team that haven't played very well against this
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Speaker 3: football team the last three times out. The Bills, obviously,
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Speaker 3: Josh Allen is a superhero in football terms. But their
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Speaker 3: defense isn't playing very well. He looks like maybe he's
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Speaker 3: limping around a little bit. I think the biggest part
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Speaker 3: of this whole thing, John, is that when you look
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Speaker 3: at the AFC as a whole, Jaguars can beat anyone.
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Speaker 3: There isn't a power team. There's not Kansas City, there's
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Speaker 3: not New England of years past. There's opportunity for this team.
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Speaker 3: Just get into the tournament and the Jaguars are there
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Speaker 3: and Sunday they could really cement it with a home win.
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Speaker 4: And that note.
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Speaker 5: I tend to take the approach of if you're want
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Speaker 5: to win the Super Bowl, you're gonna have to beat
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Speaker 5: three or four good teams to do it.
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Speaker 4: If you beat Buffalo in the.
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Speaker 5: First round and not in the commerce championship game, if
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Speaker 5: you're good enough to win it, who cares who you play?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely a lot of good stuff ahead or final big
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Speaker 2: thing today going to be stay the course. We're talking
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Speaker 2: about not looking too far ahead. Of course, you have
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Speaker 2: to win this game against the Titans first, but that's
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Speaker 2: easier said than done at times, Brian, I know the
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Speaker 2: coaching staff is going to preach that as much as
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Speaker 2: physically possible. But how do you kind of keep focus
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Speaker 2: this week and not let yourself get ahead and start
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Speaker 2: looking at playoffs.
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Speaker 4: Well it's tough.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 3: We talked about last week that they were coming off
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Speaker 3: the big win over the Broncos and had Christmas Eve
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Speaker 3: and Christmas Day. Well this week you have to win
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Speaker 3: over the Colts and you have New Year's Eve and
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Speaker 3: New Year's Day. Though they're not big and family Center
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Speaker 3: john right as Christmas are, it's a challenge and that's
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Speaker 3: why I think that last week's outcome, the way that
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Speaker 3: they won, turns out as a net positive for them
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Speaker 3: because they've won the last three games, holding a fourteen
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Speaker 3: point advantage throughout the entire fourth quarter against the Colts, Jets,
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Speaker 3: and Broncos. So this reminds them, oh, we can be beaten,
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Speaker 3: and it's I think it's a pretty focused team. I
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Speaker 3: think that the head coach has done an amazing job
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Speaker 3: this year of not looking ahead himself and not allowing
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Speaker 3: his team to follow that example. They have been very focused.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, at home really helps.
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Speaker 5: Look, it wasn't the same coaching staff, but if the
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Speaker 5: coaches want to give the Jaguars an example of what
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Speaker 5: can happen, just looked to two years ago. I mean
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Speaker 5: they went up with a chance. Now that team was
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Speaker 5: in decline, the nine and eight team in twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 5: but you still went up to Tennessee with a chance
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Speaker 5: to win it against the Tennessee team that was out
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Speaker 5: of it and they beat you. So if any players
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Speaker 5: don't know what can happen, all Josh Heines Allen and
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Speaker 5: Travis Dtn and Trevor Lawrence have to say, Hey, this
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Speaker 5: was you know, this isn't that different from that.
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Speaker 4: I think this is a different dynamic.
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Speaker 5: I don't feel that that is the same you know
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Speaker 5: scenario going in, But doesn't matter if it's same, they
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Speaker 5: can use that Litten.
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Speaker 3: Just one more example. How about Trevor Lawrence going around
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Speaker 3: the locker room the season finale in twenty twenty one
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Speaker 3: against the Colts. He was a rookie quarterback with an
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Speaker 3: interim coach and the Colts came here. All they had
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Speaker 3: to do was win, and they had locked up a
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Speaker 3: playoff spot, and yet they didn't. Trevor went around the
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Speaker 3: locker room and got everybody motivated to play. That was
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Speaker 3: that we were told, and they played well and they
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Speaker 3: beat them, And so he can go and remind them
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Speaker 3: that's a rookie quarterback with an interim head coach. They
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Speaker 3: have nothing to play for except pride. Let's play with more.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, stay with us here on jagzam. We're and do
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Speaker 4: This schools this school.
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Speaker 2: For a little this or that. On jagxam we were
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Speaker 2: talking about the team not looking ahead. We can look
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Speaker 2: ahead a little bit though, because that's what we do.
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Speaker 2: But let's start first with this game against the Titans. Obviously,
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Speaker 2: you have to win the game to win the division,
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Speaker 2: so that will be the main focus of this one.
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Speaker 2: But as we know, the Titans have not had a
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Speaker 2: great season, have been playing better as of late, so
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Speaker 2: I don't want to get too ahead of myself there.
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Speaker 2: But how do you look at the starters in this game?
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Speaker 2: Obviously they're going to play. You want to win the game,
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Speaker 2: but if you get a big lead, do you kind
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Speaker 2: of air on taking them out early? Also, if anybody's injured,
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Speaker 2: do you air on giving them an extra week?
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Speaker 1: Of rest.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think that this team has done a good
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Speaker 3: job John all season long of managing guys and being
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Speaker 3: willing to go in with replacements on the offensive line
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Speaker 3: or in the secondary. They've never forced someone Eric Murray
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Speaker 3: and Jordan Lewis to be two examples, they gave them
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Speaker 3: plenty of time, So I think that would be their approach.
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Speaker 3: I would say this as well. Recent history would suggest
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Speaker 3: that when the Jaguars have got a big lead against
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Speaker 3: the Colts, Jets and Broncos, they were willing to put
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Speaker 3: guys in and get their starters out. I would just
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Speaker 3: assume that would be their philosophy here, second half, Let's
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Speaker 3: give these guys a little more time and make sure
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Speaker 3: we don't take a cheap hit somewhere.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think you play it any different, And
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Speaker 5: once you've played it all season, I'm not sure you
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Speaker 5: even let a hint of that enter the building. Because
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Speaker 5: the foot's been on the gas and this is a
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Speaker 5: dangerous team, it seems, has Jeffrey Simmons on it. Cam
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Speaker 5: Wood has been playing better. Uh you know, even up
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Speaker 5: there two or three weeks ago. If you remember it
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Speaker 5: was when Devon Hamilton was snapping, it was a six
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Speaker 5: point game. At halftime, you think if they get one score,
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Speaker 5: you're back in it. So I don't think they'll take
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Speaker 5: any thing any differently than that. But in the fourth quarter,
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Speaker 5: if they have a lead, they'll do the same thing
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Speaker 5: they've been doing.
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Speaker 2: Hopefully we see that sooner earlier in the game than
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Speaker 2: we are used to. That would be nice. Let's also
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Speaker 2: look a little bit of had we have a lot
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Speaker 2: of playoff possibilities, but things are a little more assorted now.
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Speaker 2: So it looks like the Jaguars will either be playing
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Speaker 2: the Bills or the Texans, depending on if they win
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Speaker 2: this game.
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Speaker 1: Is there a preference? Do we care or do we
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Speaker 1: just feel.
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Speaker 3: Like the Charger's not in the mix I had seen there.
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Speaker 2: I think we'll talk a little bit about So they're
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Speaker 2: gonna sit justin Herbert, so I think with the loss,
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Speaker 2: it kind of takes them out of the mix a
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Speaker 2: little bit from what I've seen. Obviously, there's a million
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Speaker 2: that would be the ultimate possibility.
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Speaker 3: So Johnson, you're gonna win it. You're gonna have to
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Speaker 3: beat everybody, so you know, bring them on. You know
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Speaker 3: that the Texans gurry, Well, you understand their system. You
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Speaker 3: just played them and then there's a real ax to
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Speaker 3: grind with that one. You tell you what, if you
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Speaker 3: play the Bills here we saw in twenty seventeen, they'll
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Speaker 3: fill your building. They will challenge your fans to buy
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Speaker 3: all the tickets because they will come and they will
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Speaker 3: fill up your building. So I think you have an
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Speaker 3: electric atmosphere if you've got the Bills here.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it seems that out of all the other.
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Speaker 5: Teams, these two teams, the Bills and the Texans, both
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Speaker 5: have that war that I hate a superpower, right, Like,
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Speaker 5: the other teams are good, but you're really hard pressed
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Speaker 5: to say, Okay, why are they great. With the Bills,
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Speaker 5: you know they're great because of Josh Allen. With the Texans,
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Speaker 5: you know they're great because of their defense. So that
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Speaker 5: kind of a matchup can be really dangerous in the postseason.
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Speaker 5: I don't know if I have a preference, because I
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Speaker 5: know that if the Jaguars are leading by ten points
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Speaker 5: in the fourth quarter against the Bills, I'm not writing
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Speaker 5: my story yet because that team's really dangerous. But the
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Speaker 5: Texans defense is flight out scary. I guess I'd like
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Speaker 5: to see the Texans because it would be a fun matchup,
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Speaker 5: But I think they're both coin flips.
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Speaker 4: I will offer this too.
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Speaker 3: Listen, the Jaguars are doing they're not maybe great in
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Speaker 3: one area or the other. Like the Texans defense is great, right,
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Speaker 3: but the Texans offense is really struggling and the Bills
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Speaker 3: defense is really struggling. So I don't think it really
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Speaker 3: matters because I think the way that the Jaguars are
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Speaker 3: playing right now is they're playing consistent football. The quarterback's
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Speaker 3: playing at a high level, the offense has obviously been
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Speaker 3: really really good for the last six or seven weeks,
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Speaker 3: and I think that the Jaguars can.
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Speaker 4: Handle other one.
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Speaker 2: I think they'll they'll be able to deal with whoever
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Speaker 2: comes their way. I think it's always tough when it's
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Speaker 2: someone in your division because you've already played them twice.
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Speaker 2: And I feel like that's what's always tricky about some
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Speaker 2: stuff like that. So we'll have to see. We'll look
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Speaker 2: a little bit into it tomorrow as to what exactly
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Speaker 2: the matchups are going to look like in percentages and stuff,
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Speaker 2: because there's still a lot of stuff that can go on.
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Speaker 2: But stay with us on jag Zam because coming up
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Speaker 2: after the break, we'll talk a little bit about what's
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Speaker 2: going on elsewhere around.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back into a Wednesday edition of Jagzam.
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Speaker 2: We're getting ready to have the final regular season game
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Speaker 2: of the year for the Jaguars before we head into
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Speaker 2: the playoffs. But we're going to talk a little bit
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Speaker 2: about what's going on elsewhere in football, because what's cool
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Speaker 2: about this year is that it feels like anybody can
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Speaker 2: win it any given night. And we saw that on
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Speaker 2: Monday Night football, the Falcons and the Rams.
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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody predicted that one.
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Speaker 3: No, and Jean Robinson put on a clinic. I mean,
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Speaker 3: we'd heard that this was a generational running back and
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Speaker 3: he had not been able to I mean, he'd proven
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Speaker 3: his speed in his size before, but not like last night,
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Speaker 3: and not like he had against the defense like that.
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Speaker 3: I mean, we saw that defense in London and how
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Speaker 3: brutal they are upfront with their front four, and yet
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Speaker 3: you just shredded him. He was outstanding.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, the Rams are dealing with some injuries, but uh yeah,
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Speaker 5: a generational is the right thing for this kid. It
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Speaker 5: does seem like every generation has a running back at LT.
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Speaker 5: You know Adrian and you know so he is in
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Speaker 5: that category as a guy who wore a gold jacket.
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Speaker 3: Was a thirty five or forty yard run after the
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Speaker 3: ninety three yard touchdown where he planted his foot he
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Speaker 3: ducked underneath the defender. Yeah, and then literally was tripped
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Speaker 3: up by his shoestrings. Otherwise he's got another sixty plus
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Speaker 3: yard touchdown.
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Speaker 2: He is.
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Speaker 3: He's the real deal.
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Speaker 2: Pretty fun to watch, especially against a team like the Rams,
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Speaker 2: who many consider a Super Bowl contender of valid Super Bowl.
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Speaker 4: Though they were the best team in the league exactly.
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Speaker 1: In any given week you could see it.
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Speaker 2: So let's talk a little bit about ramifications for AFC playoffs.
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Speaker 2: The Chargers have said they're gonna sit justin Herbert in
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Speaker 2: the final week against the Broncos. Obviously, if the Chargers
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Speaker 2: had won, that would have a lot more of a
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Speaker 2: mix up. This kind of I mean, we don't want
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Speaker 2: to give anybody anything, but gives the Broncos a pretty
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Speaker 2: good solid chance of keeping the one seed there.
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Speaker 1: So you like the move.
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Speaker 4: What would you do?
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Speaker 1: I mean, in your situation, you think that's a smart
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Speaker 1: move for them?
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Speaker 4: If I'm the charge, yeah, I mean.
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Speaker 5: It's always hard to know how beat up a team feels,
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Speaker 5: meaning you know, you see him from the outside. But
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Speaker 5: I can remember in nine when I covered the Colts
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Speaker 5: and they were undefeated at the end of the season,
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Speaker 5: going for it, but the sense inside the building was
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Speaker 5: we are a tired, beat up team. They rested their
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Speaker 5: starters and a four went and undefeated season. Very controversial,
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Speaker 5: but the reason they did it they wanted to be
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Speaker 5: fast and fresh in the playoffs, and they were so
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Speaker 5: I understand their thinking, Hey, we're only playing for seating
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Speaker 5: this week. We want to be really fast, really fresh.
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Speaker 5: We feel like we've grinded through the end of the season.
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Speaker 5: I get it, and I would probably in their situation,
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Speaker 5: make the same decision if you're not playing for a
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Speaker 5: home game, which I don't think they feel like they are.
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Speaker 3: Listen, you saw what the league's number one defense did
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Speaker 3: to the quarterback last week. I mean they hit him
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Speaker 3: over and over and over, and he's been playing with
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Speaker 3: broken bones in his left hand. Now you're gonna put
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Speaker 3: him up against a team that many people believe is
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Speaker 3: the second best defense. It certainly is in the AFC,
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Speaker 3: if not in the National Football League. You wanted to
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Speaker 3: get hit over and over and over and over again.
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Speaker 3: I think it makes sense. I mean, they're going to
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Speaker 3: be on the road in the playoffs. What difference does
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Speaker 3: it make where they go? It makes a bigger difference
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Speaker 3: to have Justin Herbert and that offensive line perhaps a
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Speaker 3: little healthier as they head into the matchup.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: I don't know exactly what they think they're winning formula is,
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Speaker 5: but I don't think it includes him not playing.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, No it doesn't.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the same probably the way.
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Speaker 4: It's good.
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Speaker 1: It's a good insight there. We appreciate you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk a little bit about Unfortunately, the finalists
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Speaker 2: for the Pro Football Hall of Fame came out earlier
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Speaker 2: this week and Fred Taylor did not make it to
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Speaker 2: the finalist list. And obviously we're a little biased here
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Speaker 2: in Jacksonville, But John, what's this process kind of like
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Speaker 2: and what's this.
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Speaker 1: Been like for Fred? And kind of the years follow
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Speaker 1: us along a little bit more.
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Speaker 5: Well, He's this was his seventh year as a semi finals.
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Speaker 5: If I had a math, correct he'd been in finals
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Speaker 5: the last two years. The Hall can be a momentum
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Speaker 5: thing with voting because voters vote for a guy and
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Speaker 5: then they convinced a couple other voters to vote. It
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Speaker 5: sort of happened to Tony. It's changed a little bit
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Speaker 5: with the voting. It's harder and like last year's class
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Speaker 5: only had four guys in it. You know, I think
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Speaker 5: Fred is Hall worthy. This step back concerns me a
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Speaker 5: little bit because now you've got to convince voters to
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Speaker 5: come back around on him. Look, I think it's wrong.
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Speaker 5: I think he's absolutely a Hall of Fame running back.
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Speaker 5: I think he's better than running backs are in the Hall.
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Speaker 5: And this process is not always fair. I guess the
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Speaker 5: best way to say.
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Speaker 3: No, it's not I sat with Sam Kuvaris, who has
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Speaker 3: the Jaguars vote. Each team has one vote they give
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Speaker 3: to a media member. They gave it to Sam in
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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety five, and you know, he went through his
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Speaker 3: presentation and when the numbers all line up, this is
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Speaker 3: Fred Taylor. He's a Whole of Fame running back. And
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Speaker 3: the guys who called Sam, you know, ray Lewis picks
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Speaker 3: up the phone. Ed Reid picks up the phone call
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Speaker 3: to make their case. There's no doubt he's a Hall
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Speaker 3: of Fame quarterback. But it's that that last word guy fame, right,
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Speaker 3: Frank Gore is a famous runner who has more yards
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Speaker 3: because he played longer than Fred, hid better than Fred,
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Speaker 3: but he's famous. He played in San Francisco.
16:17
Speaker 4: Play in the playoffs.
16:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, I played a lot more than that. Same thing
16:19
Speaker 3: with Adrian Peterson, who's the next guy that's probably going
16:22
Speaker 3: to push Fred back a little bit because Peterson had
16:25
Speaker 3: eight thousand yard rushing seasons, played in Minnesota, played in
16:29
Speaker 3: some big games, and his neighbors.
16:31
Speaker 5: He might be Fred's equal in terms of if they
16:33
Speaker 5: were both in the same tea, who would you start
16:35
Speaker 5: as a question? Frank gorge eron Bettis some other guys
16:38
Speaker 5: are not Fred's in my opinion, No, But.
16:41
Speaker 3: When you see Adrian Peterson's days that list, do you
16:43
Speaker 3: understand sure he's gonna draw a lot more people because
16:46
Speaker 3: he played in bigger games in bigger markets more consistently
16:50
Speaker 3: than Fred. And and let's be honest, the people who
16:53
Speaker 3: covered Fred are mostly guys our age or a little older,
16:58
Speaker 3: and they're gone, and he doesn't in Jacksonville. But it
17:01
Speaker 3: matters in places like Cincinnati and Cleveland, in places that's
17:04
Speaker 3: allfread and they don't. He doesn't have the advocates that
17:07
Speaker 3: he did back then, so it's going to take longer.
17:10
Speaker 3: I remain convinced that Fred Taylor will ultimately get into
17:13
Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame. It's just yet Gore and Peterson
17:17
Speaker 3: coming right now, and that just pushes him off a
17:20
Speaker 3: little bit. It's easier for the voters to put them
17:22
Speaker 3: in because it's the Hall of Fame.
17:24
Speaker 5: And they do do it positionally, like Brian sawmy have fifteen.
17:28
Speaker 5: So a lot of times the voters I've talked to
17:30
Speaker 5: enough of him the way they think. Even when Miscelli
17:33
Speaker 5: was going through, Hey, there were four linemen that they
17:37
Speaker 5: thought wanted to get in, so the voters were going
17:39
Speaker 5: to vote for those four sort of in order. They
17:42
Speaker 5: do do it positionally like that. I'm not sure that's right,
17:46
Speaker 5: but that's the nature.
17:47
Speaker 4: Of the vote.
17:47
Speaker 3: The number of players who called Sam Kavaris from around
17:50
Speaker 3: the league who played against Spread is truly impressive. If
17:54
Speaker 3: those players continue to support Fred, he'll get in.
17:58
Speaker 1: It's a bit of a campaign as well.
18:00
Speaker 3: But it's the other players that wanted to make sure
18:02
Speaker 3: that they stood up for Fred. Maybe I didn't say
18:04
Speaker 3: that clearly. They knew that Fred was battling uphill being
18:07
Speaker 3: in Jacksonville and being in a small market, so they
18:10
Speaker 3: came to his defense and to propose to everybody, we
18:14
Speaker 3: Hall of famers think he belongs.
18:16
Speaker 5: Yeah, one problem that we sort of it's easy to miss.
18:22
Speaker 5: Every market has their guy like this, and I get
18:26
Speaker 5: the Jacksonville's mad, and I'm sort of mad that Fred's
18:28
Speaker 5: not you know, in by now. But it is a
18:32
Speaker 5: hard process and that Tony Bissel you said very sincerely
18:35
Speaker 5: every year he didn't get in, he said, look, the
18:37
Speaker 5: five guys you got in are unbelievable players. Just because
18:41
Speaker 5: I'm not getting in doesn't mean these guys shouldn't. And
18:44
Speaker 5: that really is the reality of.
18:45
Speaker 4: It, you know.
18:46
Speaker 5: And I'm with Brian. I think eventually it will work out.
18:52
Speaker 5: It's just going to take time.
18:54
Speaker 2: How many years was it for Tony? What was his process? Like,
18:56
Speaker 2: I'm unfamiliar, so just early six years?
18:59
Speaker 4: No, it was longer.
19:00
Speaker 5: It was he retired in O one and got in
19:04
Speaker 5: in what twenty one?
19:05
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was a six year process where he
19:07
Speaker 3: was a finalist.
19:08
Speaker 4: And the het in and he was I it was
19:12
Speaker 4: longer than six, but it was it was long, I mean, and.
19:15
Speaker 1: So once you get to that, it's stages, right, So
19:17
Speaker 1: it's like.
19:19
Speaker 4: You sort of build toward it.
19:20
Speaker 5: And that's what we hope with Fred is that you
19:22
Speaker 5: can get him back on that track where there's momentum
19:25
Speaker 5: building towards because he deserves it well.
19:26
Speaker 3: And a lot of it is the other guys that
19:28
Speaker 3: come into the room. You see Eli Manning is in
19:29
Speaker 3: the room this year, right, he hadn't been in previously.
19:32
Speaker 3: Well that that it isn't like they have to take
19:34
Speaker 3: a running back. So you see some of these guys
19:36
Speaker 3: that get in and you think, well, I mean they're
19:38
Speaker 3: obviously Hall of famers. Eli Manning, you know, one beat
19:42
Speaker 3: the one, two super Bowls. I mean, he's clearly going
19:44
Speaker 3: to get in. So that takes away some votes, and
19:47
Speaker 3: it's the dynamic has to be there, and it finally
19:50
Speaker 3: was for Tony Boselli, and there were a lot of
19:52
Speaker 3: people that got in his corner, and I think eventually
19:55
Speaker 3: a lot of people will get in. How many years
19:56
Speaker 3: you have twenty five years in the modern era, yeah, yeah,
19:59
Speaker 3: so he's got an number of years.
20:00
Speaker 2: Left a little more about timing but unfortunate step back,
20:03
Speaker 2: but we're gonna keep a eye on it, and we
20:05
Speaker 2: always encourage anyone to talk about Fred Taylor.
20:08
Speaker 1: We love to talk about Fred Taylor.
20:09
Speaker 2: So hopefully we'll see some more progress with that going
20:12
Speaker 2: forward in years to come. Stay with you here on
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And for fans maybe they don't really this.
20:47
Speaker 5: I think they're gonna I think they're gonna win a
20:50
Speaker 5: They're gonna have at least one home game in the playoffs.
20:52
Speaker 4: But this is sort of the last chance to.
20:54
Speaker 5: Be in the old lady, Yeah with eight you know,
20:57
Speaker 5: with seventy thousand people, uh, you know, so for twenty
21:00
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21:08
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21:10
Speaker 4: So and you're playing the Titans, right, I mean, this
21:13
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21:14
Speaker 3: So it's funny because the Titans came in here as
21:16
Speaker 3: the Oilers and they played in the first game in
21:19
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21:20
Speaker 4: That's a good point. September third.
21:21
Speaker 3: Now they became the Titans and they're playing in essentially
21:23
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21:26
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21:30
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21:33
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21:38
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21:40
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21:43
Speaker 3: season is the best season in Jaguars history.
21:47
Speaker 4: Yeah, a regular season, it is, But I think that's up.
21:50
Speaker 3: For debate too. You know, two old guys to go
21:53
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21:55
Speaker 3: who think this team is worthy of that conversation and
21:59
Speaker 3: if that's the case, I'm a lot of people who
22:00
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Speaker 3: start celebrating this thing. You know, they always like to
22:05
Speaker 3: throw a historical side to this. If the Jaguars win
22:07
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22:10
Speaker 3: which matches the ninety six ninety seven nine teams who
22:14
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22:16
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