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we're back · I Think Less of You Podcast

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SPEAKER_00: making fun of you is always a good way to open i think that's
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SPEAKER_01: an excellent plan it's our standard we could talk about um
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SPEAKER_01: while we've missed two weeks
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SPEAKER_01: because we were both doing family things it's summer we're traveling you know that's
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SPEAKER_01: uh yeah how'd you spend your fourth of july
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SPEAKER_00: uh we went up to uh west extreme western new york
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SPEAKER_00: and northwestern pennsylvania we went and saw the brig diagara
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SPEAKER_00: which was matthew perry's
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SPEAKER_00: fallback flagship during the war of 1812 uh they had the battle of lake erie
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SPEAKER_00: or also known as the battle of put in bay um where
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SPEAKER_00: the americans successfully beat back the british on the lake and took control of
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SPEAKER_00: the uh of lake erie uh so the brig niagara is that it had just come back
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SPEAKER_00: from being refitted in bar harbor maine
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SPEAKER_00: uh so we went and we saw that it actually wasn't as it wasn't as cool
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SPEAKER_00: as i thought it would be because it hasn't been
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SPEAKER_00: the refitting isn't complete basically it it it has an engine on it
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SPEAKER_00: so they they brought it down on the end using the engine and they didn't have
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SPEAKER_00: the masts built back up properly yet so it had a little nub mast and
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SPEAKER_00: well all right apparently they had to bring they had to bring a specialist in
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SPEAKER_01: to uh reinstall the masts did you guys watch fireworks or anything
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SPEAKER_00: uh we yes we watched fight we watched the erie pa fireworks show
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SPEAKER_00: which is quite nice it was they do it uh i was about to ask if you've been to erie
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SPEAKER_00: but i know you haven't because you don't go to the east coast uh outside
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SPEAKER_00: of baltimore someone who is going to live in the east coast um the east coastiest
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SPEAKER_01: of east coast places very shortly
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SPEAKER_00: um the the erie pa has a they have this peninsula called presk isle that uh kind
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SPEAKER_00: of like curls out into the lake um and but then so they have
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SPEAKER_00: a very it's very nice protected harbor on the land side on the like mainland side uh
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SPEAKER_00: of it they have this they have a big dock thing with this big tower um
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SPEAKER_00: uh on it it's a lighthouse sort of but um so they fired
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SPEAKER_00: the fireworks off i think barges just past the tower in the in the lake
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SPEAKER_00: so we got very good seats we just so we sat there they had
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SPEAKER_00: a very nice uh fireworks show that was it was quite lovely
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SPEAKER_01: we ditched out of the fireworks show we were at my husband was at a conference
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SPEAKER_00: in san diego and giant city fireworks are a circus to go to
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SPEAKER_01: because it's too many people yes so that is why we left
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SPEAKER_01: because i just this is also funny for someone who's moving to boston in less
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SPEAKER_01: than two months but i hate crowds and i don't generally like people
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SPEAKER_01: so i've noticed we stop
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SPEAKER_01: i love everyone and
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SPEAKER_01: like i love people i just don't want to have to exist in the same space
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SPEAKER_01: as people i feel like that's a bridge too far um so we were staying in a hotel
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SPEAKER_01: that this conference was at just happens to be it's right across from coronado
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SPEAKER_01: and right on the marina where san diego shoots their fireworks
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SPEAKER_01: and san diego's firework display is like the biggest in california
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SPEAKER_01: and we were excited because it was like the 250th it was going to be great
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SPEAKER_01: and the more i thought about it
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SPEAKER_01: the more i was like you know maybe we just drive back to arizona a night early
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SPEAKER_01: and hang out with our kids so we did that and my dad went to the stand
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SPEAKER_01: in his neighborhood and spent a couple hundred bucks on fireworks that we just lit
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SPEAKER_01: in his street and it was great it was really fun it's
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SPEAKER_00: that is nice nothing nothing more patriotic american than spending time with
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SPEAKER_00: a nuclear family
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SPEAKER_01: then blowing things up in
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SPEAKER_01: a cul-de-sac blowing things up yourself not watching others yeah i mean it's arizona
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SPEAKER_01: fireworks so they can't leave the ground just like in colorado um
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SPEAKER_01: so you know they were like the baby fireworks but i assume you have to know
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SPEAKER_00: where they are i assume you have to know
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SPEAKER_00: where they're landing you can't they can't yeah they'll light something
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SPEAKER_00: on fire yeah i don't know what i don't think they have much of
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SPEAKER_00: the way underbrush there they don't have anything it's a dead state you
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SPEAKER_01: yes in large parts of arizona is a dead state my parents live in
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SPEAKER_01: a really nice golf course though that put in theory light
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SPEAKER_01: on fire i don't know how they keep part of it green um but
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SPEAKER_01: then there's also like creeks and there's all the underbrush they do have fires
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SPEAKER_01: that are pretty bad in arizona usually more towards the mountains not
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SPEAKER_00: where my parents live in phoenix but man man wasn't meant to live there
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SPEAKER_00: and it's spitting in the face of god
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SPEAKER_01: it was 110 degrees most of the honestly most of
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SPEAKER_00: the western united states should just be a nature preserve because man wasn't meant
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SPEAKER_00: to live there that much is clear there's a famous thing from king of the hill
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SPEAKER_00: where i think they're referring to phoenix arizona and bobby hill gives
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SPEAKER_00: a whole speech about like about it being phoenix is a uh is a symbol
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SPEAKER_00: of man's hubris uh
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SPEAKER_01: phoenix is my parents have misters outside they have this great patio they have
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SPEAKER_01: a fantastic pool there's a table in the pool and they like have
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SPEAKER_01: a little umbrella hole next to it so it can be shaded and they have
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SPEAKER_01: a huge large awning with misters built in so you can sit outside i sat outside most
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SPEAKER_01: of the time
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SPEAKER_01: and i was absolutely fine i was actually cold inside i just like hung out outside
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SPEAKER_01: the whole time
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SPEAKER_00: wouldn't your book get wet that's not an issue
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SPEAKER_00: for you you don't read
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SPEAKER_01: my computer didn't get wet thanks
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SPEAKER_01: for asking
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SPEAKER_00: your computer you're watching real housewives on no i watch out
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SPEAKER_01: on my phone oh of course
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SPEAKER_01: i watch that on my phone and i set it like this is this is
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SPEAKER_01: a weird aside um i watch peacock on my phone and i set it like in the little corner
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SPEAKER_01: of my laptop and luke's always like you know you can watch it like on your laptop
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SPEAKER_01: but then that takes away from my screen space while i'm writing
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SPEAKER_00: so yeah no i i watch shows on my phone you also do read i just want
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SPEAKER_00: to point out you i've
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SPEAKER_00: i'm not sure i've ever seen you reading but you you know you're knowledgeable
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SPEAKER_01: about things i've never seen you reading either sir i haven't you haven't seen me at
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SPEAKER_00: a time that i would be reading was it never a bad time to read i bring
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SPEAKER_00: but what i want to put you didn't see me with them i brought books with me
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SPEAKER_00: when we went to armenia i had books with like i had a book on the history
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SPEAKER_00: of western europe um
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SPEAKER_00: like western europe in
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SPEAKER_00: the middle ages uh i can't remember what else i brought i brought i brought luke
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SPEAKER_01: luke travels with like five books at all times and it's only going to get worse
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SPEAKER_01: as worst i really don't read listen i'm only on my second cup
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SPEAKER_01: of coffee you gotta forgive me i woke up really late today um
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SPEAKER_01: he is only going to get worse as he continues on his priesthood journey he has
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SPEAKER_00: so many books at all times i was resistant to kindles as a thing but i do have
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SPEAKER_00: to say it is handy to be like gonna have a lot of books compiled i i if there's
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SPEAKER_00: a book that i really like of course i buy it in hard copy so i can slot it
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SPEAKER_00: into my bookshelves so that people who visit my house can look at all my books
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SPEAKER_00: and be like oh he's so well read
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SPEAKER_00: but um but you know especially for like you know kind
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SPEAKER_00: of throw away trash books you don't necessarily want people to know
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SPEAKER_00: that you've read kindle's great for collecting those up okay
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SPEAKER_01: but who's i mean okay my husband number one has his greatest love affair is not
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SPEAKER_01: with me it's with books and he just obsessively orders books like if i looked
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SPEAKER_01: at his budget books have to be the number one priority in his as it should be
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SPEAKER_01: the second he gets a book at home like number one he won't read them on a phone
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SPEAKER_01: because that's just unhinged that's not civilized you can do a kindle he can't do
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SPEAKER_01: a kindle either it's you're supposed to experience i don't it's luke he's
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SPEAKER_00: so i i get it theoretically but it is super hate is it it's like
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SPEAKER_00: the kindle to my mind has uh replaced
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SPEAKER_00: the trade paperback niche like you know you used to be that you just get like a kind
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SPEAKER_00: of crappy trade paperback so that you don't see them around much
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SPEAKER_00: because they all fell apart because they're poorly made they weren't made to last
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SPEAKER_00: the kindle has replaced that niche i think
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SPEAKER_01: sure i guess maybe he's not in the market for i i always end up just reading books
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SPEAKER_01: that he buys because his he has varied taste i don't know he has interesting books
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SPEAKER_01: that i like to pick up from him but he will immediately take them downstairs
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SPEAKER_01: and laminate them like he library laminates here covers his books
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SPEAKER_00: that's a bit odd that's that's a bit no it's
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SPEAKER_01: so weird that's ocd level no it really is there's well my son definitely has ocd
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SPEAKER_01: and i'm like oh this is where he got it from he gets a book home
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SPEAKER_01: and he will like library laminate the cover it's so so weird it's i wouldn't do that
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SPEAKER_00: because i would worry the laminating process would hurt the book
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SPEAKER_01: no it definitely preserves the books he's fantastic at it too
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SPEAKER_01: but like he library covers all of his books when he gets home
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SPEAKER_01: because he doesn't want anything to happen
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SPEAKER_00: to them i don't even consistently remember where i put my books they're ideally in
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SPEAKER_00: a alphabetical order but they're not necessarily in an alphabetical order fried
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SPEAKER_00: by author
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SPEAKER_01: he saw a thing where anthropic i don't know if you've seen this
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SPEAKER_01: but anthropic is going through and buying rare manuscripts just spending hundreds
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SPEAKER_01: of thousands of dollars on on
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SPEAKER_01: like feeding it into their and chopping them they physically chop it in half to scan
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SPEAKER_01: the pages and luke is so hurt by this that he wants to go to war with claude
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SPEAKER_01: because he's so bothered by the fact
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SPEAKER_01: that they're chopping up old books no he's weird
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SPEAKER_01: about this like it's this weird man versus machine romantic thing that he has going
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SPEAKER_01: on
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SPEAKER_00: well look how that worked out for john henry he died at the end of that of that song
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SPEAKER_01: the day john henry died actually we were listening to that when john henry was just
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SPEAKER_01: a little bitty bit sorry uh you've got me off on a tangent and it's
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SPEAKER_01: a song you probably don't even know
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SPEAKER_00: i know i i know the john henry so when john henry was a little baby baby
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SPEAKER_00: to classic spiritual the uh smothers brothers did a very good version
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SPEAKER_00: of it are you familiar with the smothers brothers the comedy duo from the uh dickie
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SPEAKER_00: and tommy smothers do i look like i'm familiar with
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SPEAKER_00: the smothers brothers you should be they're they're hilarious they had all these
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SPEAKER_00: very funny little skits
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SPEAKER_00: um but they they had a john henry one that ends with john henry saying he wants
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SPEAKER_00: to buy the the the steam the steam shovel beats john henry or
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SPEAKER_00: the steam hammer beats john henry it ends with john henry saying he wants
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SPEAKER_00: to buy steam trouble too steam hammer too because it's so handy well i like
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SPEAKER_01: the drive-by truckers version so i don't know who that is of course you don't yeah
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SPEAKER_00: of course you don't know who this mother's brother they had a wildly popular tv show
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SPEAKER_00: in fact
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SPEAKER_01: i'm pretty sure jason isbell wrote the drive-by trucker song you also don't know who
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SPEAKER_01: that is i've heard i'm guessing jason isbell i would hope you have
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SPEAKER_01: but i wouldn't think that you'd be able to point
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SPEAKER_01: to any other songs i'm also guessing you don't know reckless kelly my shirt says
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SPEAKER_01: don't never heard of don't mess with reckless
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SPEAKER_01: i have like a texas shirt on and everyone always sees it and they're like oh you're
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SPEAKER_01: from texas i'm like i'm not also it doesn't say texas it says reckless you might you
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SPEAKER_00: might be in tech from texas soon spoiler
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SPEAKER_01: alert okay again this is an audio format
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SPEAKER_01: and people listening are probably like what are they talking about that is
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SPEAKER_01: the assumption that um
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SPEAKER_01: when and if god willing my husband is ordained um
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SPEAKER_01: in like four years three years four years whatever it is um we don't know
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SPEAKER_01: where we're going to be assigned we are technically going to be property of
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SPEAKER_01: the denver
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SPEAKER_01: metropolis but that extends anywhere from montana to texas and right now texas is
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SPEAKER_01: the only place that i see being able to pay a wage
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SPEAKER_01: because greek orthodox church pays our priests and they pay them a good living wage
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SPEAKER_00: the catholic church pays their priests as well just just less
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SPEAKER_00: because they don't have family to support
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SPEAKER_01: well yeah i mean no but but no but that is important to say like
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SPEAKER_01: the greek orthodox church a lot of priests are married and have families to support
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SPEAKER_01: so the wage is higher so it is a difference worth pointing out in the two yes i know
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SPEAKER_01: that catholics do also greeks do more because they have families um but i think
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SPEAKER_01: the only
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SPEAKER_01: churches that are going to be built to that point will be texas i don't want it
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SPEAKER_01: to be texes i would
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SPEAKER_01: love to come back to colorado i'm putting that out there in
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SPEAKER_01: the universe maybe we'll get salt lake
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SPEAKER_01: city people get rural montana
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SPEAKER_01: i would welcome
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SPEAKER_01: that i love montana montana would be great you know my western heart would be so
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SPEAKER_01: so happy in montana and it wouldn't be
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SPEAKER_01: so freaking liberal like colorado this is great i welcome this the only problem
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SPEAKER_01: with montana is the the church has to be able to pay the priest's wage and i think
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SPEAKER_01: that um a lot more so
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SPEAKER_01: obviously to be a priest in greek orthodox you can be married you don't have
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SPEAKER_01: to be there are non-married priests um
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SPEAKER_00: that i believe being married uh stymies your ambition potential ambitions
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SPEAKER_00: for advancement within the church right like you can't you can't be
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SPEAKER_01: a married bishop yeah yeah you can't be a bishop because
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SPEAKER_01: the bishop is literally married to the church so our our bishop says
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SPEAKER_01: that we're all family like he's around visiting all of his churches all
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SPEAKER_01: the time you can't like
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SPEAKER_01: it is not compatible to being married and having a family um luke will be shown
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SPEAKER_01: a little bit of favor in um the speed of his ordination because he's already married
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SPEAKER_01: and has a family and his family is signed on board it's even easier for us because
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SPEAKER_01: a lot of people have like little little kids
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SPEAKER_01: none of that is a consideration for us one of our kids is going to be graduated and
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SPEAKER_01: the other one will be graduating within a year of it
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SPEAKER_01: so you know our our family life like he kind of has the best of all worlds as far
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SPEAKER_01: as they are concerned
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SPEAKER_01: so we think it'll well hopefully it'll happen quickly you can't say we think
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SPEAKER_01: with any of these things because number one it's church and nothing goes to plan
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SPEAKER_01: and number two it's greeks and like they have their own plan that now
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SPEAKER_00: if you died would he be allowed to could he then become
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SPEAKER_00: a bishop um can you have been married no okay no um maybe maybe if
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SPEAKER_01: that happened like maybe if i died before he was ordained which is let's not hope
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SPEAKER_01: for that to happen um
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SPEAKER_01: yeah um and then say like say he's ordained and then you die you can't remarry um
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SPEAKER_00: because you're still you're married for the eternity in the afterlife i'd assume
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SPEAKER_00: yes and no although you wouldn't be able to get married if the person died
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SPEAKER_00: when you can't i don't know is it no it's all very confusing here's the thing so
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SPEAKER_01: a priest can't and it's a really good reason um a priest can't remarry
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SPEAKER_01: if their spouse dies because you are holding a position of power
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SPEAKER_01: and you arguably would be marrying someone else in the church and
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SPEAKER_01: and that is a coercive like it's a power imbalance you can't so you can be married
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SPEAKER_01: before you become a priest but you cannot get married exactly like and and that has
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SPEAKER_01: to do with the power dynamic like that's fair yes women are supposed to submit
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SPEAKER_01: to their husbands or whatever but men are supposed to submit to the church first
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SPEAKER_01: and it just if you're going in as a priest like are you counseling someone
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SPEAKER_01: to marry you that's not appropriate like it
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SPEAKER_01: it just it doesn't work that way there is one priest who's kind of breaking
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SPEAKER_01: the mold it's a massive controversy within our church um there is a church a priest
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SPEAKER_01: who laicized remarried i think he laicized divorced remarried and is going to become
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SPEAKER_01: a priest again that's not really how things are supposed
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SPEAKER_01: to happen i don't i'm not trying to keep up with it because i'm
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SPEAKER_01: it's scandal for scandal's sake i'm not you know it will be interesting
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SPEAKER_01: to see how that's handled i think he'll be ordained again whether that's proper
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SPEAKER_01: or not is not really for me it's for his bishop but technically it's not supposed
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SPEAKER_01: to happen interesting yeah
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SPEAKER_01: yeah so church scandal stuff like that doesn't really interest me and in
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SPEAKER_01: the individual sense but in the greater sense
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SPEAKER_01: of like what's allowed what's not allowed is just interesting to watch
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SPEAKER_00: but i find it's academically interesting and yeah yeah yeah the word
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SPEAKER_00: the weird people navigating highly legalistic uh religious frameworks always
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SPEAKER_00: interest me because i i i but but we are and we're not though like we're not
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SPEAKER_01: as legalistic as catholics with a lot of things
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SPEAKER_01: i think that probably isn't accurate no it actually is if you look at charts of
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SPEAKER_01: which religions are like more legalistic and which are more like we are more of
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SPEAKER_01: a um we lean on tradition more than
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SPEAKER_00: yes but leaning on tradition is itself legalistic and we're leaning on tradition
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SPEAKER_00: because if you're leaning on but it's not
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SPEAKER_01: because i would say legalistic is something you use to get out
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SPEAKER_01: of certain things no no no no i mean tradition is like it is what it is no no no
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SPEAKER_00: by legalistic by the by legalistic i mean trying to uh trying to adhere
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SPEAKER_00: to very strict philosophical um the extreme very severe
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SPEAKER_00: philosophical consistency across uh like you know uh make make your entire
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SPEAKER_00: under your global understanding of the thing all consistent within
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SPEAKER_00: the previous understandings does that make sense yes and that is
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SPEAKER_01: where i was this is definitely an interesting conversation for the two
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SPEAKER_01: of us i don't know that this is
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SPEAKER_01: interesting to listen to do we think i think we have a we have a we have
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SPEAKER_00: a very uh highbrow audience we're into the weirdest topic sometimes
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SPEAKER_01: whether or not
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SPEAKER_00: the church is legalistic i mean no i mean i i actually like these kind of topics
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SPEAKER_00: and conversations because honestly we're on like the day's political news
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SPEAKER_00: when we discuss
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SPEAKER_00: that i think it's interesting it's it's interesting having conversations
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SPEAKER_00: with you we're not going to say anything that anyone else hasn't been said before
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SPEAKER_00: yeah i mean that's like especially because uh most of the people who do listen
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SPEAKER_00: to us are people who are like you know are aware of us from the online sphere
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SPEAKER_00: and they're all similarly terminally online reprobates like we are
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SPEAKER_00: so they've all seen likely the tweets that we're discussing and the
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SPEAKER_00: and whatnot we may contextualize things in a slightly different way but um
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SPEAKER_00: than they might have
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SPEAKER_01: when i am on the east coast we have to get back to more
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SPEAKER_01: of our um travel obsession i love travel that's a
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SPEAKER_00: that was i i have been posting more but i i made i made a point of taking pictures
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SPEAKER_00: as i went and like you know just having
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SPEAKER_00: little interesting things to post about the places i went and i was very pleased
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SPEAKER_00: with that it was easy for me because i grew up
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SPEAKER_00: in northwestern pennsylvania my family my mother's family was in
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SPEAKER_00: the western new york for generations and generations uh i spent a lot of time going
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SPEAKER_00: and visiting family in western new york
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SPEAKER_00: um so i know all
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SPEAKER_00: the weird little goofy side things like either there are there i could i could go
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SPEAKER_00: to go to most of the towns in like that general area spend
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SPEAKER_00: a week there just ferreting into random little things i'm aware of
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SPEAKER_00: that people might find interesting um and like just taking pictures maybe i'll do
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SPEAKER_00: that someday i don't know but um the
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SPEAKER_00: so so that was like you know i i went to johnny's lunch which is a hot dog place and
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SPEAKER_00: in jamestown new york it's been there forever my wife hates it i love it my kids
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SPEAKER_00: loved it so so you know why does she hate it she doesn't like
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SPEAKER_00: so johnny's lunch is uh you might hate it too i don't know uh we should go there
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SPEAKER_00: sometime uh it's um they use a it's a hot dog with uh they run the hot dog through
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SPEAKER_00: a slicer
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SPEAKER_00: excuse me so they butterfly it no it's it's a whole hot dog they run it through
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SPEAKER_00: a thing that makes cuts all along it and then like a hassleback potato but
23:17
SPEAKER_00: a hot dog yes yes no no no no no no no no no no no no no no it's not it's a it's
23:21
SPEAKER_00: a it's a whole thing it just has slices like a lot
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SPEAKER_00: a lot along it like it uh okay what is this called johnny's lunch
23:30
SPEAKER_00: yeah so they pour and then they have a secret sauce they pour onto it that they put
23:35
SPEAKER_00: on it about it's cut it's it's i'm out the second you say secret sauce i'm out
23:40
SPEAKER_01: because you know what every secret sauce is gonna have in it yeah that's true
23:46
SPEAKER_00: they're all trying to kill me so the the uh cuts in the hot dog allowed
23:52
SPEAKER_00: to like absorb the secret sauce a bit and
23:55
SPEAKER_00: the secret sauce is like it's kind it's kind of a chili but isn't really a chili
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SPEAKER_00: have signs up telling people that like our sauce is 100 is made with 100 ground beef
24:05
SPEAKER_00: because uh it doesn't look like beef it looks like it's this weird it looks like
24:09
SPEAKER_00: chili i pulled it up on blind because it's like yeah but
24:12
SPEAKER_00: in person it doesn't exactly look like chili it's a it's it's really good
24:16
SPEAKER_00: but my wife doesn't like it she says it's greasy which debatably is greasy
24:22
SPEAKER_01: but oh well greasy is like the entire draw um the sauce is not
24:30
SPEAKER_00: got to take my kids there i sent you pictures we went to panama rocks
24:34
SPEAKER_00: which is this really cool geological formation
24:37
SPEAKER_00: in uh western new york i sent you pictures and you were you were gaga
24:42
SPEAKER_00: over them um yes i said i looked really cool you were like tomb raider yeah because
24:51
SPEAKER_00: so it's panama rocks is really cool because
24:55
SPEAKER_00: a lot of these like kind of things you're on rails like you know it's a
24:59
SPEAKER_00: for various insurance and safety purposes you are so you stick to
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SPEAKER_00: the path you don't you don't you don't wander off the path oh it's like
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SPEAKER_00: an interpretive hike no no but a lot of places a lot
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SPEAKER_00: of places panama rocks is literally just go
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SPEAKER_00: do whatever and you so you can like climb
25:16
SPEAKER_00: in there you could you could you could definitely break a limb and probably die
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SPEAKER_00: at points on panama rocks with not too much difficulty but they don't need
25:26
SPEAKER_00: that you sign you sign a waiver before you go
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SPEAKER_00: in there's like you're out you can have fun
25:31
SPEAKER_00: uh so my kids loved it they were they were you know monkey barring it
25:35
SPEAKER_00: and uh jungle gymming it all over the rocks crawling
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SPEAKER_00: into all these crevices uh it's it's
25:41
SPEAKER_00: a really cool place i i i really like it we we stopped there because we were heading
25:46
SPEAKER_00: to jamestown and my daughter had to use the toilet and i was like uh find one
25:50
SPEAKER_00: and we were passing my panama rocks and i was like aha i know that place
25:53
SPEAKER_00: so we went there and she used the bathroom then we went off and explored the rocks
25:58
SPEAKER_01: you guys will have to go to garden of the gods if and when you ever come
26:02
SPEAKER_00: to colorado is that is that rocks
26:04
SPEAKER_01: as well yeah no yeah they're really cool it's red rocks in colorado springs
26:11
SPEAKER_01: and they have some really neat formations like they have the camels kissing
26:15
SPEAKER_01: and they have really cool pretty rock and you can drive around them
26:19
SPEAKER_01: or like hike are you allowed to climb all over them some of them
26:23
SPEAKER_01: no not all i mean they're well no you can't no you can but some
26:29
SPEAKER_01: of them are like really yeah you guys have i mean this i mean this
26:34
SPEAKER_01: with all due respect i don't see you climbing i'm sure i could like you need
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SPEAKER_00: equipment
26:42
SPEAKER_01: well no it's not grandpa like it's i mean you're fully climbing no you get
26:50
SPEAKER_01: the out west because you are a very different we have actual mountains i know that
26:55
SPEAKER_00: the east coast no no no say they have mountains you have you have new mountains you
27:01
SPEAKER_00: don't have weathered mountains it's very it's very actual mountains you have wet new
27:06
SPEAKER_00: mountains big little baby mountains they're still they're still all big
27:10
SPEAKER_01: i am going to the east coast next week and i'm going to be in the appalachias
27:17
SPEAKER_01: and you guys would you east coasters would say that they are mountains
27:23
SPEAKER_01: and i'm gonna be like oh the hills when you go
27:26
SPEAKER_00: to ireland do you call them oh they're cute little hills
27:29
SPEAKER_00: or do you say they're mountains yeah
27:33
SPEAKER_00: ben nevis by the way scotland cute hill scotland uh okay
27:37
SPEAKER_01: so they're paps they're paps or there's like two mountains in scotland
27:42
SPEAKER_01: and i will call them mountains ben nevis is a mountain
27:46
SPEAKER_00: give give it a give it a few millennia and the rocky mountains will be all little
27:52
SPEAKER_00: and nubby in fact i believe the rocky mountains will ultimately be shorter than
27:55
SPEAKER_00: the appalachians because they are beta i think whatever rock they're made out of is
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SPEAKER_00: a different consistency so
28:02
SPEAKER_00: so weather is it i don't think they're great are they granite we're limestone too
28:06
SPEAKER_00: yeah yeah i think it's it's the limestone is will weather facts is well
28:15
SPEAKER_01: won't be around to see it i do see the very tall mountains outside my window i look outside
28:23
SPEAKER_01: my window right now and can see a 14 000 foot high mountain the ones around me may not be as
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SPEAKER_00: tall but at least they aren't barren they're beautiful because they're not even above tree
28:36
SPEAKER_01: line they don't count
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SPEAKER_01: they're not even over treeline vermont i will say vermont new hampshire do have
28:45
SPEAKER_01: a few mountains because they're okay they are well whatever i've been to the top
28:52
SPEAKER_01: of washington is above it's above treeline i've been to the top
28:56
SPEAKER_00: of mount washington there were definitely trees up there
28:58
SPEAKER_00: so uh i don't know i i don't know how accurate
29:01
SPEAKER_01: that statement is scrubby little ones i don't know they're
29:05
SPEAKER_00: i saw a moose up at the top of mount washington there was
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SPEAKER_00: a big old moose it was bathing okay so it's not a mountain then and i went up and
29:14
SPEAKER_00: then i was like i shouldn't go closer to this moose because i've read that i've read
29:18
SPEAKER_00: that you do not get close no so no you really don't no like every year
29:25
SPEAKER_01: at breckenridge sometimes a keystone or winter park um there will be a moose
29:31
SPEAKER_01: that like runs down the hill
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SPEAKER_01: in between skiers and it freaks everyone out it's better than when the bears do it
29:38
SPEAKER_00: but when you're in boston we should meet up at pittsburgh
29:41
SPEAKER_00: and i'll show you around pittsburgh you've never been
29:45
SPEAKER_00: to pittsburgh you're very dismissive
29:48
SPEAKER_00: of pittsburgh um you've never been you have no you're dismissive
29:52
SPEAKER_00: of all working class places of all places that are real america
29:56
SPEAKER_00: and not quite frankly the left coast
30:00
SPEAKER_01: sorry you say that like i'm not
30:03
SPEAKER_00: a midwest supremacist you are you you you are you claim to be and then
30:09
SPEAKER_00: in every conversation with you you're like we'll we have the only real mountains in
30:13
SPEAKER_00: the world doesn't mean i don't love to hang out in the our culture is
30:20
SPEAKER_00: the best we have the best stores we have the best everything
30:24
SPEAKER_01: we do not have the best stores give me a random farm shop
30:28
SPEAKER_00: in madison wisconsin thank you very much the um no well we'll go
30:33
SPEAKER_00: to pittsburgh we'll go to primanti's and order you
30:36
SPEAKER_00: a primanti's sandwich i probably can't eat that either you can ask them to hold
30:41
SPEAKER_00: the mustard you can eat you can eat uh you know what
30:44
SPEAKER_00: a primanti's sandwich is right no i think i'm just oh so primanti's
30:49
SPEAKER_00: was a it was a kind of seedy bar that was right off of what's called
30:55
SPEAKER_00: the strip district which is where all the um all of the what yeah you sent
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SPEAKER_01: the pictures it was like all the ethnic stores
31:05
SPEAKER_00: so originally that originally that was the warehouse district uh and it would all
31:09
SPEAKER_00: the drivers would drive in with their loads into the uh warehouses and
31:14
SPEAKER_00: then they would go down to permane's to get food
31:17
SPEAKER_00: so they uh permane's started serving their sandwich
31:20
SPEAKER_00: they would put the entire like all the sides on top of the sandwich
31:24
SPEAKER_00: the truck drivers could eat it while they were driving home with one hand so
31:28
SPEAKER_00: a primani sandwich is they have like they have your these big hearty pieces of bread
31:33
SPEAKER_00: and then you have your meat and then there's french fries and coleslaw on it okay
31:38
SPEAKER_01: so i'm looking at it and i actually think that i could eat it because it says
31:43
SPEAKER_01: that it's a vinegar based coleslaw very yes it is
31:47
SPEAKER_01: um so i could eat that uh the only problem is
31:51
SPEAKER_01: if it is um pastrami i usually can't eat pastrami they have all sorts
31:56
SPEAKER_00: of different meats you can have the the kielbasa is quite good they used
32:00
SPEAKER_00: to have knockwurst which my wife loved the knockwurst ones uh
32:04
SPEAKER_00: but they don't have knockwurst
32:05
SPEAKER_00: so you don't like knockwurst why do you like knockwurst aren't you eastern european
32:10
SPEAKER_01: yes but i look the funny thing about me you're supposed to like german sausages
32:17
SPEAKER_01: here's the thing i have a food blog
32:21
SPEAKER_01: because i am very picky that's counter counterintuitive i get it but also it's
32:29
SPEAKER_01: because i'm very very picky about food um it just depends on
32:36
SPEAKER_01: i don't know i'd have to try it and see like i can be really really picky
32:40
SPEAKER_01: with german sausages because i don't always like their grind well so bear
32:45
SPEAKER_00: in mind pittsburgh is a historically a very ethnically german and eastern european
32:51
SPEAKER_00: in general areas so they actually do a lot
32:53
SPEAKER_00: of um very authentic eastern european food it's it's they've had a lot
32:59
SPEAKER_00: of people come in they've had a lot of
33:01
SPEAKER_00: kind of weirdos move in from all over america they somewhat became
33:06
SPEAKER_00: the new portland they're not as bad as portland but they became a they became
33:12
SPEAKER_00: an attraction point for the similar types that were moving to portland oregon
33:16
SPEAKER_01: so the problem with knockwurst and a lot
33:20
SPEAKER_01: of eastern european foods is again it depends on what they make them with and a lot
33:25
SPEAKER_01: of times they are made with mustard because i am
33:29
SPEAKER_01: of really terrible eastern european ancestry and i'm allergic to like
33:36
SPEAKER_00: a critical food if your people hadn't come here you just would have died somewhere
33:41
SPEAKER_00: on the somewhere in like you know yeah
33:45
SPEAKER_01: well uh where was berkstadt is like austria like on the border you know
33:53
SPEAKER_01: who else was austrian yeah but you know the austrians are really good at
34:00
SPEAKER_01: at um claiming people who aren't born there and getting rid of the people
34:06
SPEAKER_01: who are yes that is the famous joke
34:10
SPEAKER_01: the germans always have this joke that like the austrians are are so great
34:15
SPEAKER_01: at branding they decided that uh beethoven was theirs and hitler wasn't right isn't
34:22
SPEAKER_01: that it's something like that i always laugh people always say it every time you're
34:27
SPEAKER_00: in germany it's that famous german humor yeah the like anti-austrian
34:34
SPEAKER_00: that everyone loves and seeks out honestly though
34:39
SPEAKER_01: honestly anytime i'm hanging out with germans in germany they are very very dry
34:45
SPEAKER_01: and i appreciate their weird humor they're fine
34:51
SPEAKER_00: germans are a people of extremes which i think if people need to understand more
34:55
SPEAKER_00: that the germans whatever they're on they're gonna go the most stupid lengths
35:01
SPEAKER_00: with it uh which is you know you you see more and more lately
35:05
SPEAKER_00: because now they're lefty uh because because they all have a great sense
35:09
SPEAKER_00: of cultural guilt over specific things but here's the funny thing about that they
35:17
SPEAKER_01: they do and they don't like my brother-in-law so my in-laws live
35:21
SPEAKER_01: in germany my brother-in-law lives in a town where there is still a monument
35:26
SPEAKER_01: to ss soldiers who fought like you know they they say that they're all weird
35:35
SPEAKER_01: about i don't know
35:38
SPEAKER_00: it's well you know it's
35:39
SPEAKER_01: a messy place there's some really good dry humor democratic party
35:44
SPEAKER_00: if they're wishy-washy exactly how they feel about stuff that no but
35:48
SPEAKER_01: the thing is like there's there's a holocaust mural just right down the street
35:52
SPEAKER_01: and everyone knows what it is and it's out in the open yeah and from there
35:57
SPEAKER_01: from his town's perspective like
36:00
SPEAKER_01: look it's a monument to boys local people who went off to war
36:04
SPEAKER_01: and died that's they had to like the they weren't you know nazi uh
36:13
SPEAKER_01: what is
36:13
SPEAKER_01: the word i'm trying to think
36:14
SPEAKER_01: of yes i'm sorry my brain policy no they were just like local boys who had
36:20
SPEAKER_01: to go fight so in in their minds like i see why
36:26
SPEAKER_01: they still count like they didn't have any choice
36:29
SPEAKER_01: in this um yeah also it's pretty freaking distasteful it's
36:36
SPEAKER_00: a uh thing i've often said this uh in general that uh all of us like to think that
36:42
SPEAKER_00: if we were in a situation like that we would be the person who was like who stood up
36:47
SPEAKER_00: and joined the resistance and like you know risked our lives and maybe died trying
36:50
SPEAKER_00: to fight the injustice
36:52
SPEAKER_00: they didn't know about no no a lot of them knew people knew even if you know if it's
36:59
SPEAKER_00: if it's a choice between go along to get along or you die
37:04
SPEAKER_00: and they'll probably track down your family and kill them too nine out
37:07
SPEAKER_00: of ten people are gonna go along to get along i don't know i like to think
37:11
SPEAKER_00: that i wouldn't but i've never been placed in that situation where i had where i had
37:15
SPEAKER_00: to make i i think everyone should like to think that they'd be
37:19
SPEAKER_00: that person you can't know
37:22
SPEAKER_00: what kind of monstrous things you'd be capable of aiding and abetting if it was
37:27
SPEAKER_00: a choice between doing that and probably dying and have everyone
37:32
SPEAKER_00: and having everyone you love die too just i do think that some
37:38
SPEAKER_01: people may not have known the full extent based on certain regions
37:42
SPEAKER_01: in germany um like baden-vertenberg they're so far if they're closer to
37:47
SPEAKER_01: the french border like i don't know really far
37:50
SPEAKER_00: from it you you would have heard rumors i'm sure you but but there are all sorts
37:54
SPEAKER_01: of crazy you would have been around but you also would have been more focused
37:58
SPEAKER_01: on france because they're right near the french border
38:01
SPEAKER_01: so i'd like i legitimately i don't
38:04
SPEAKER_01: that's like you said i think you can't really put yourself in these positions
38:08
SPEAKER_00: and we like people and especially people and especially germans like
38:11
SPEAKER_00: to we didn't know a lot of people knew if it's my understanding yeah
38:16
SPEAKER_00: if you lived anywhere near one of
38:18
SPEAKER_00: the death camps there was literally no way you couldn't know because you also ash
38:23
SPEAKER_01: but you also like what are you supposed to do about it exactly if you're
38:28
SPEAKER_00: an 18 year old boy like you're not doing anything exactly like i said we all like
38:32
SPEAKER_00: to think we'd be taking up arms in the underground resistance most
38:36
SPEAKER_01: of us no i'd be i'd be on the boat to argentina and then get the heck out
38:42
SPEAKER_00: if you could i mean i believe it was no like before
38:45
SPEAKER_01: as they started i'd be like okay peace out i want no part
38:49
SPEAKER_01: of this like y'all have your thing i'm leaving i'm going to america and then
38:54
SPEAKER_01: which is actually tina which is actually what my family did but they didn't go
38:58
SPEAKER_01: to argentina they went to america they they were um we had family in
39:06
SPEAKER_01: um germany and then the family in germany left um right after world war one um
39:13
SPEAKER_01: but my polish family left shortly before world war ii which i realize that's not
39:19
SPEAKER_01: a huge gap in times but but for family um like ancestry trees it is and the the last
39:28
SPEAKER_01: to leave were were in between one and two from poland
39:34
SPEAKER_00: imagine having families that moved to america in the 20th century i could okay
39:38
SPEAKER_01: but i also had family never happened but i also had german family that moved
39:44
SPEAKER_01: to harrisburg pennsylvania in the 1700s only one part
39:48
SPEAKER_00: of my family horrible city harrisburg i've been to harrisburg
39:53
SPEAKER_01: really is i've seen i've seen the tenement house that my grandpa grew up in
40:00
SPEAKER_01: and there's there's a section of harrisburg it is literally like
40:04
SPEAKER_01: the harrisburg ghetto or it used to be um
40:10
SPEAKER_01: where there are half buildings and then there's one part of town
40:13
SPEAKER_01: where there are like quarter buildings you can see these really skinny skinny skinny
40:18
SPEAKER_01: skinny houses that are very old and it's like the apartments that are in
40:23
SPEAKER_01: the skinny houses and my grandpa like lived in one with all of his family
40:29
SPEAKER_01: and yeah no i don't i'm not a fan i can see why he moved to
40:35
SPEAKER_01: los angeles like santa monica santa monica was this like amazing place compared to
40:41
SPEAKER_00: that so let me say get it california used to be beautiful it still is beautiful
40:47
SPEAKER_00: but you but you know it used to not be insane um well they built their house like in
40:53
SPEAKER_01: the 40s and for nothing and it was a palace considering and at the time like
41:02
SPEAKER_01: even when i was a little kid in santa monica it wasn't the celebrity magnet
41:08
SPEAKER_01: and this is before like silicon beach started
41:11
SPEAKER_01: when venice really sped up their tech production everything went really really
41:18
SPEAKER_01: really bad but for a long time santa monica was really chill it it wasn't
41:23
SPEAKER_01: the celebrity hot spot it wasn't the there were a lot of hippies there were a lot of
41:30
SPEAKER_01: um working class people like my family has lived in santa monica since the 20s
41:35
SPEAKER_01: and they're all working class people like my uncle was a tree trimmer for
41:39
SPEAKER_01: the city my other uncle was a janitor as you'll recall i was born
41:44
SPEAKER_00: at santa monica my mother spent a decent amount of time at santa monica i was too
41:48
SPEAKER_00: and she always referred to the people's republic of santa monica so i'm pretty sure
41:52
SPEAKER_00: that at the time i was born it was still it was already crazy uh
41:57
SPEAKER_00: as crazy it wasn't as crazy as crazy nothing was as crazy back then we had also california
42:05
SPEAKER_01: still i mean this is under reagan though like you have to it wasn'nt that bad
42:13
SPEAKER_00: yeah well california was again california is similarly they take things
42:19
SPEAKER_00: to weird extremes and everything they do i mean
42:21
SPEAKER_00: that was famously san francisco was one of the most conservative uptight towns
42:25
SPEAKER_00: in america for most of the first half of the 20th century um the most beautiful city
42:32
SPEAKER_01: in america the best city in america that is which has just been demolished
42:36
SPEAKER_00: that was a project that was an active there was a reason that san francisco became
42:42
SPEAKER_00: the center of a lot of these things it was an active project by uh groups on
42:48
SPEAKER_00: the left to take what was one of the most conservative cities in america and turn it
42:54
SPEAKER_00: into a ground the ground zero of kind of you know lefty hedonism
43:01
SPEAKER_00: um that that is that is 100 an accurate state but that was
43:06
SPEAKER_00: a active purposeful project that was famously what's it um san francisco used
43:13
SPEAKER_00: to have extremely strict theater codes there was a uh
43:17
SPEAKER_00: being banned in san francisco was like a big thing for plays in the late in the 19th
43:21
SPEAKER_00: then into decently into the 20th century uh that plays would market
43:27
SPEAKER_00: that they were like you know uh we were we were too uh we were too uh scandalous for
43:33
SPEAKER_00: the for the prudes out in san francisco so to try to market things to people
43:40
SPEAKER_00: in new york uh well
43:45
SPEAKER_01: did that a little bit too fervently sorry i was texting my kids to go pick up
43:52
SPEAKER_01: the instacart that's being delivered right now go downstairs unload the groceries
43:58
SPEAKER_00: for me we could probably wrap things up no we can't wrap now i just got my i just
44:03
SPEAKER_01: told my kids they have to go pick up the groceries you'll pick them up i don't want
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SPEAKER_00: to i want
44:10
SPEAKER_01: no my um my son and i are also i should say that if you've made it this far
44:16
SPEAKER_01: through our rambling of nonsense um next week might be spotty we might be able
44:23
SPEAKER_00: to record we might not traveling again yep
44:26
SPEAKER_01: i am traveling i am going to a home build
44:30
SPEAKER_01: and actually we we got our details we might actually be framing a house
44:34
SPEAKER_01: although we might also conversely just be mucking out a house um we are going
44:40
SPEAKER_01: to extreme eastern tennessee and we are helping to rebuild a house
44:47
SPEAKER_01: that was destroyed during hurricane helene for families that are still still still
44:55
SPEAKER_01: working on rebuilding and picking up their lives afterwards
44:58
SPEAKER_01: with my husband's organization and i'm gonna tweet it out but i have a link
45:04
SPEAKER_01: if you want to give my i'm making my son record a video on why people should give
45:12
SPEAKER_01: and i'm making him record thank you videos to anyone who donates so some of
45:17
SPEAKER_01: the people who listen are gonna get them he hasn't done them yet but he is going
45:22
SPEAKER_01: to do it um but yes if you want to help give back we are going to be doing
45:28
SPEAKER_01: that um next week so unclear as to whether or not we'll have an episode
45:35
SPEAKER_01: but you'll find out maybe maybe you can record one with one of your friends
45:41
SPEAKER_00: i guess i could just do a solo and just ramble for okay i i totally busted you
45:46
SPEAKER_01: because i knew that you were busy traveling and i was just like sitting
45:50
SPEAKER_01: by myself bored in a hotel room while my husband was at his conference
45:54
SPEAKER_01: and i was like i'm gonna record one of these and i'm gonna put it up so that we have
45:58
SPEAKER_01: an episode while you're busy with your family and it was
46:01
SPEAKER_01: the worst thing i've ever done in my life you should have posted it i'm
46:06
SPEAKER_01: so bad i would have listened i you would not have
46:12
SPEAKER_01: you know how chaotic and
46:14
SPEAKER_01: and disorganized my thoughts are like we've been friends long enough
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SPEAKER_01: and talked enough that you know that i have a insanely chaotic brain and when left
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SPEAKER_01: to my own devices like good things don't happen fair enough not that i'd say that
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SPEAKER_00: but you're allowed to say that
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SPEAKER_01: no you should say that i do think that i can contribute
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SPEAKER_01: to conversation i don't think that i can hold
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SPEAKER_01: a conversation can't monologue can't just no i can monologue i just can't for
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SPEAKER_01: an extended one-sided conversation
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SPEAKER_01: i'm not good with one-sided conversations i think i'm over i love that i said
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SPEAKER_01: that i had to leave san diego because there's too many people
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SPEAKER_01: and i don't like people but i'm also overdoing things alone all
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SPEAKER_01: the time like i have my business that i've been running by myself for
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SPEAKER_01: the last uh 16 years and i hate it and i'm just overdoing things like
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SPEAKER_01: by myself it's just boring i don't know
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SPEAKER_00: i hate people and also i hate being collaboration has pleasantnesses
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SPEAKER_01: to it yeah i just get really weird when i'm talking about myself like even weirder
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SPEAKER_01: than normal
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SPEAKER_01: which is pretty high bar you set normally it really is it really really is all right
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SPEAKER_01: we're wrapping up now go go go relieve your children go unload the groceries for you
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SPEAKER_01: it's my lot
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SPEAKER_01: in life it's basically my job description all right sorry this episode was
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SPEAKER_01: about nothing
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SPEAKER_01: but i think it was interesting nonetheless i actually think it was more interesting
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SPEAKER_01: because like you said if you want to see our takes
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SPEAKER_01: on things political you could just follow us on twitter they're on
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SPEAKER_01: the timeline all right bye