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Bonus Episode: The Mamas and the Papas (Pt. 1) · DISGRACELAND

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Speaker 1: Hey, discos, need a little more Disgraceland in your life,
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Speaker 1: just to touch to get you through. Yeah, me too.
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Speaker 1: This is the podcast that comes after the podcast Welcome
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Speaker 1: to Disgraceland.
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Speaker 2: The after Party.
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Speaker 1: Who Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode little thing we'd
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Speaker 1: like to call the after Party. This is the show
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Speaker 1: after the show, the party after the party. The bridge
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Speaker 1: to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to
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Speaker 1: the other, the backyard, dig into the dirt. On this episode,
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Speaker 1: we are talking about the past episode of Disgraceland on
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Speaker 1: the Mamas and the Papas Mama Cass Elliott, and specifically
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Speaker 1: about a relationship to the previous disgrace Land episode subject
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Speaker 1: Charles Manson. We're also discussing dying on stage literally cover
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Speaker 1: songs that are better than You originals Alfred Hitchcock, Martin Scorsese,
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Speaker 1: Bruce Springsteen, and as usual, a whole.
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Speaker 2: Lot of Rosie to round us out.
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Speaker 1: All right, before we get into listener calls, texts and emails,
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Speaker 1: let's get into it. Cass Elliott or Mama Cass Elliott,
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Speaker 1: Mama Cass as she was known on stage in her
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Speaker 1: group The Mamas and the Papas are just cast to
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Speaker 1: her friends aka Hollywood's den mother was the subject of
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Speaker 1: our last episode of Disgraceland, and the reason I wanted
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Speaker 1: to explore Mama Cass as a subject wasn't because I'm
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Speaker 1: a massive fan of hers as either a solo artist
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Speaker 1: or personality or a singer in The Mamas and the Papas.
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Speaker 1: More on that later, but rather because of Cass Elliott's
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Speaker 1: involvement and one of the biggest true crimes in American history,
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Speaker 1: the murder of her friend Sharon Tate and four others
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Speaker 1: that Sharon Tate's rented home. Sharon Tate, of course, was
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Speaker 1: a huge star, so she knew lots of a list
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Speaker 1: celebrities like Mama Cass. So it wasn't for this reason
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Speaker 1: that I wanted to explore Cass Alliott. It was specifically
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Speaker 1: because of an anecdote I read in the book Chaos
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Speaker 1: by Tom O'Neil, a book I spoke extensively about in
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Speaker 1: our last bonus episode. O'Neill got to this story about
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Speaker 1: Cass from another book, the autobiography of actor Michael Caine,
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Speaker 1: entitled What's It All About? As the story goes, Cain
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Speaker 1: again in his autobiography tells the story of him meeting
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Speaker 1: Sharon Tate and Charles Manson at the same party. Once again,
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Speaker 1: Michael Caine tells the story of being at a party
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Speaker 1: and at that party he met Sharon Tate and Charles Manson.
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Speaker 1: This is an incredible fact that made my jaw drop
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Speaker 1: when I read it. I instantly set out to find
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Speaker 1: Michael Kaine's book, and it, of course is out of print,
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Speaker 1: and that got my spidey senses up. I was like,
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Speaker 1: why can't I find this. It's Michael Kaine, He's a
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Speaker 1: big actor. This shouldn't be hard to get. But not
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Speaker 1: only is it out of print, it's super hard to find.
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Speaker 1: When I did track it down, it was not cheap. Now,
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Speaker 1: I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I am naturally suspicious
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Speaker 1: and I wonder if this anecdote about this incredible story
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Speaker 1: of the mastermind of one of the crimes of the
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Speaker 1: century being present at the same party as his victims.
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Speaker 1: I wondered if this story was being suppressed. I'll never know.
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Speaker 1: What I do know is that the party in question
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Speaker 1: where Michael Kaine says that he met Charles Manson and
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Speaker 1: Charitate And oh, by the way, I forget to mention
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Speaker 1: he also met at this party, or so he says,
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Speaker 1: voy Tech Frakowski and Abigail Folger and j s Bring,
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Speaker 1: all victims of Charles Manson's All those introductions happened at
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Speaker 1: drum roll Please. Mama Cass Elliott's home in Hollywood.
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Speaker 2: Holy shit.
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Speaker 1: So a little more digging into Mama Cass's life, and
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Speaker 1: it's revealed that her arrest in London in nineteen sixty
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Speaker 1: seven wasn't really about stolen bath supplies from a hotel,
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Speaker 1: as was reported, but was actually because authorities wanted a
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Speaker 1: grill cast on our international drug smuggling boyfriend Pick Dawson,
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Speaker 1: a character who is also at the center of Tom
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Speaker 1: O'Neill's reporting on the Helter Skelter murders and his disruption
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Speaker 1: of Vincent Buliosi's Helter Skelter motive, which I get into
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Speaker 1: in part two of the cast story that's coming up
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Speaker 1: next In Your Feet Cass Elliott so damn interesting. Who knew?
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Speaker 2: I didn't.
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Speaker 1: I never really paid attention to the Mamas in the
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Speaker 1: papas their music was everywhere and as such not really
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Speaker 1: interesting to me. It was also music that old people
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Speaker 1: seem to like. I get it. Old people can like
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Speaker 1: good music too. Hell to many of you, I'm old people.
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Speaker 1: But when the Mamas and the Papas broke, they were
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Speaker 1: young people and their music was four young people, but
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Speaker 1: old people instantly liked it. And one of the few artists,
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Speaker 1: the Mama's in the Papas of the nineteen sixties that
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Speaker 1: bridged the generation gap in an era when the generation
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Speaker 1: gap could not have been wide. And this little tidbit
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Speaker 1: intrigued me, and it got me thinking as a parent,
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Speaker 1: it's plain to see now that there isn't really much
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Speaker 1: of a generation gap when it comes to culture anyways.
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Speaker 1: I mean, aside from things that are appropriate and inappropriate.
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Speaker 1: My eight year old walks around in ACDC T shirts
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Speaker 1: and listens to Metallica, and he loves Metallica. He loves
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Speaker 1: the Mandalorian. I love Metallica and I love the Mandalorian.
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Speaker 1: Hell my four and a half year old loves Blue
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Speaker 1: and I like Blue. As I said earlier, I'm old people. Well.
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Speaker 1: One of the things that I thought was cool about
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Speaker 1: my wife's parents when I met them was that they
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Speaker 1: watched the same TV that my wife did, despite the
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Speaker 1: age difference. As a proud card carrying member of Generation X.
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Speaker 1: Let me tell you that this was very far from
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Speaker 1: my reality growing up. My parents not only hated, ridiculed,
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Speaker 1: and disapproved of the music and movies that I watched,
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Speaker 1: they actively tried to get me to not listen to
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Speaker 1: that music or watch those movies. It had nothing to do,
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Speaker 1: I don't think with taste or family values or anything
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Speaker 1: like that. It just wasn't something that parents approved of. Oh,
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Speaker 1: your fourteen year old listens to Metallica, that bamma suck?
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Speaker 1: What are you watching the Breakfast Club? Turn this garbage off?
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Speaker 1: Is that a Stephen King book you're reading? Isn't that
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Speaker 1: the hack writer whose crappy books get turned into crappier movies.
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Speaker 1: This is just a small sample of the dynamic between
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Speaker 1: mine and my parents, and I'm sure my friends who
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Speaker 1: I grew up with the dynamic they had with their
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Speaker 1: parents as well. I didn't have any friends whose parents
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Speaker 1: were into cool shit, even my dad, who was a
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Speaker 1: musician who was into cool shit. It was hard when
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Speaker 1: I was a young kid anyway to get on the
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Speaker 1: same page about what I was listening to. I was
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Speaker 1: in the medal. He was like Judas Priest is fucking stupid.
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Speaker 1: What are you doing? You know what I mean? It
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Speaker 1: took a while, and it was because of this generation gap,
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Speaker 1: this huge gap. So the Internet obviously destroyed the generation gap,
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Speaker 1: and so too did my fellow Gen X parents, who
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Speaker 1: probably in an effort to write the wrong of our parents.
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Speaker 1: Probably as parents ourselves, we try too hard to relate
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Speaker 1: to our kids over culture and by listening to the
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Speaker 1: same music turning them on. I mean, my kid listens
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Speaker 1: to metal because I play Metallica, you know, And we
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Speaker 1: want them to consume the same film and television and
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Speaker 1: bond with them over it when it's appropriate. Obviously, but
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Speaker 1: this will backfire, I'm sure of it. I don't exactly
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Speaker 1: know how, but I know it will. When Metallica and
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Speaker 1: John Hughes, as Johnny Bender and Stephen King are no
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Speaker 1: longer subversive, kids are naturally going to find something else
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Speaker 1: to subvert the approval of their parents with, and that,
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Speaker 1: I fear will have unintended and dire consequences. But before that,
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Speaker 1: like I said, Mama's in the papas appealing to kids
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Speaker 1: and their parents in the nineteen sixties, a common ground
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Speaker 1: that seemed impossible given the time. In the zeitgeist, It
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Speaker 1: really intrigued me, and I wanted to dive into the
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Speaker 1: Mamas and the Papas and kind of figure out why.
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Speaker 1: It turns out it's obvious their music was awesome, even
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Speaker 1: if it didn't appeal to me, even if I didn't
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Speaker 1: like it, it's undeniably, objectifiably great music. You can't fuck
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Speaker 1: with the Mamas and the Papas, Okay, but not my bag,
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Speaker 1: you know whatever, I don't know. We start the episode
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Speaker 1: in the Mamas and the Papas. I talked about dire
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Speaker 1: consequences a minute ago, with a very consequential stage performance
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Speaker 1: by Cass Elliott that we're going to get into after
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Speaker 1: the break. Stay tuned, all right. We opened the Cass
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Speaker 1: Elliott episode in Las Vegas with Mama Cass headlining her
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Speaker 1: much anticipated Las Vegas residency. The crowd was packed, like jammed,
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Speaker 1: packed with celebrity friends. Sammy Davis, Peter Lawford, even Jimmy
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Speaker 1: Hendrix was there, Mia Farrow huge stars at the time.
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Speaker 1: Cass Elliott, it was she was just she was the shit.
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Speaker 1: She was a huge personality figuratively and literally. She was
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Speaker 1: a massive star. She was on TV all the time.
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Speaker 1: She was now out of the mamas in the papas,
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Speaker 1: and the crowd was hyped to see what she was
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Speaker 1: going to do at this Vegas review essentially this Vegas
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Speaker 1: residency night after night. I think it was like a
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Speaker 1: two week run or something like that, and she was
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Speaker 1: getting paid a shit ton of money and she bombed.
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Speaker 1: She went on stage, she was high. I believe she
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Speaker 1: was sick as well. It didn't matter. She was a
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Speaker 1: fucking mess. She couldn't sing. She performed horribly, so bad
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Speaker 1: that the rest of her residency was canceled and her
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Speaker 1: career at that moment was in serious jeopardy because of it.
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Speaker 1: So it got me thinking about some of the most
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Speaker 1: infamous rock star stage flops that I've become aware of
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Speaker 1: throughout the researching and writing of Disgrace.
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Speaker 3: Slam.
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Speaker 1: Off the top of my head, the first thing, the
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Speaker 1: first person I think of is the king of the
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Speaker 1: stage meltdown, Axel Rose of Guns n' Roses, probably because
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Speaker 1: we talked to Axel the last after Party episode, but
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking now of his Saint Louis on stage meltdown
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Speaker 1: where a full fledged violent riot breaks out. I wrote
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Speaker 1: about this in my book, covered it in the two
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Speaker 1: part episode of Disgraceland on Guns and Roses as well.
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Speaker 1: If you're unfamiliar with this incident, I'm not going to
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Speaker 1: get into it here, but just go back and check
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Speaker 1: out these episodes. What a piece of work. Axl Rose,
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Speaker 1: My God. On the other end of the spectrum, Amy
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Speaker 1: Winehouse has a couple of serious live meltdowns on a resume,
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Speaker 1: one of which was one of her last performances, and
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Speaker 1: we detail that in our Amy Winehouse episode. You can
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Speaker 1: check that out as well. It's tonally a lot different
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Speaker 1: than the Guns and Roses stories, but it got me
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Speaker 1: thinking about what else I'm unaware of her stage meultdown.
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Speaker 1: So I did a quick Google search, and holy shit,
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Speaker 1: so many artists obviously meltdown on stage. These are high
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Speaker 1: pressure situations with artists who are in pressure cooker environments,
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Speaker 1: on the road, away from their families, oftentimes addicted to
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Speaker 1: drugs and alcohol, with unruly fans. This isn't all on
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Speaker 1: the artist, It isn't all on the fans. I'm not
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Speaker 1: going to litigate these breakdowns. They are highly interesting. I
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Speaker 1: encourage you to google rock stars losing their shit on
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Speaker 1: stage and watch some of the videos. My God, the
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Speaker 1: videos Josh Holme Queens of the Stone Age, Courtney Love,
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Speaker 1: Billy Corgan. There's too many to mention, and it's almost
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Speaker 1: like the rock star stage meltown is trite, it's commonplace.
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Speaker 1: The rock star dying on stage list. However, literally dying
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Speaker 1: is far more interesting, and we've talked about this on
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Speaker 1: some of our episodes too, not as much as you
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Speaker 1: would think. I think Spade Cooley from the first that's
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Speaker 1: the first season to Disgrace Land, maybe the second. If
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Speaker 1: he didn't die on stage, he died like side stage
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Speaker 1: or just after stepping off stage. And of course Mark
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Speaker 1: Samman from Morphine here in Boston he died on stage
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Speaker 1: in Italy.
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Speaker 2: I believe.
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Speaker 1: These stories are a bit too dark to get into
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Speaker 1: here in this bonus episode, but trust me, it's worth
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Speaker 1: a Google. It's a rabbit hole that I found to
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Speaker 1: be very interesting. Happened way more with way more frequency
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Speaker 1: than I would have thought, especially when you broaden it
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Speaker 1: out beyond musicians and you just start talking entertainers who
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Speaker 1: died on stage. Harry Houdini. I didn't know that anyways.
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Speaker 1: Check it out. Also worth of Google is covers of
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Speaker 1: the Mamas in the Papa Songs. Okay, one of the
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Speaker 1: best moments in Quentin Tarantinos Once upon a Time in
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Speaker 1: Hollywood to me is the scene where Cliff picks rickup
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Speaker 1: from the studio a lot and the La sun is setting.
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Speaker 1: It's the magic hour. It looks beautiful. All the production
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Speaker 1: hands and the talent are going home for the day.
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Speaker 1: We get to see a part of Hollywood that we
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Speaker 1: seldom see on screen, or at least we sell them
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Speaker 1: see it portrayed with this much beauty. And the song
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Speaker 1: that's playing is the Mama's in the Papas California Dreaming.
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Speaker 1: It's perfect, it's perfect for this scene. But it's not
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Speaker 1: the Mama's in the Papa's version of their song. It's
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Speaker 1: jose Feliciano's cover of the song. It's the perfect queue
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Speaker 1: for this montage, and I of course preferred this cover
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Speaker 1: to the original, which begs the obvious question what cover
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Speaker 1: versions of songs are better than their originals? Is the
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Speaker 1: Band's version of Atlantic City better than Bruce Springsteen's original?
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Speaker 1: Is Bruce Springsteen's cover of the Sun Ain't Gonna Shine
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Speaker 1: better than Frankie Valley's original? Is Frankie Valley's My Sharia
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Speaker 1: more better than the original? By Stevie Wonder. The answer
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Speaker 1: on that last one is a hard no, by the way,
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Speaker 1: but you get the question. Let me know which covers
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Speaker 1: are better than the originals. You can call or text
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Speaker 1: me to let me know. I'm at six one seven
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Speaker 1: like Beth from the three to six to zero who
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Speaker 1: texted the following, Hey, Jake, listening to the Manson episode
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Speaker 1: right now. Fun fact. In college, two of my BFFs
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Speaker 1: lived in a home at the bottom of Tapanga Canyon
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Speaker 1: that was previously a Manson family crash pad. The house
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Speaker 1: is mentioned in the Helter Skelter book, and although the
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Speaker 1: book did not indicate that Manson himself ever stayed there,
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Speaker 1: some members of the family did. The house is no
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Speaker 1: longer there. It was behind the feed store still there
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Speaker 1: at the bottom of the Banga and pch and has
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Speaker 1: been torn down. It had a huge treehouse out back
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Speaker 1: and we had some banging parties at that place. Love
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Speaker 1: your show, Beth, Beth, thanks for sharing. I love these stories.
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Speaker 1: I love the connection between you listeners and the topics
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Speaker 3: area at Pasketti on Instagram, and you were talking about
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Speaker 3: and Juggernauts with Smashing Pumpkins in Philly. It was going
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Speaker 3: to be the b C's before the Pumpkins. And I'm
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Speaker 3: smoking a joint. It's nineteen ninety two. I'm smoking and
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Speaker 3: enjoying my boys out in public, but were protected from
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Speaker 3: security by hundreds of like minded individuals the pit. And
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Speaker 3: this beautiful lady's smoking a joint with us and my
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Speaker 3: friends like talk Church up there. I'm like, why should
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Speaker 3: I talk to this woman? It's pointless. And a second,
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Speaker 3: the Bacti Boys are going to take the stage and
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Speaker 3: we're gonna get worth the part like wild dogs. And
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Speaker 3: sure enough that happened. And at the end of the show,
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Speaker 3: during the encore Duran sabotage, this guy's flying through the
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Speaker 3: air kissed me in the head with his boot. I'm
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Speaker 3: only five point eight. I go down. I'm going to
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Speaker 3: be trampled to death. But again, one kind soul, big
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Speaker 3: tall motherfucker like you, Jake picked me up by my
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Speaker 3: love the Beastie Boys. I love you. Keep up the
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Speaker 1: All. Right, great story, love this, love the connection to
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Speaker 1: the Beastie Boys from the previous after party episode, and
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Speaker 1: love that this dude describe me as a big, tall motherfucker,
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Speaker 1: So bonus points for that. So if you've got a
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Speaker 1: What I'm reading, what I'm watching, and what I'm listening
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Speaker 1: to in three two Rock already my favorite part of
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Speaker 1: the show. What I'm reading and what I'm watching, and
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Speaker 1: what I'm listening to. I'm going to start with what
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Speaker 1: I'm watching still on the White Lotus season two tip.
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to go into it in too much
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Speaker 1: detail on this show now because I talk about it
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Speaker 1: every week and frankly, I feel like I'm at risk
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Speaker 1: of sounding like an HBO infomercial. But I will say
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Speaker 1: this the most recent episode to me writing this right now,
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Speaker 1: the most recent episode that I watch, which I think
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Speaker 1: is like episode six or seven or something like that.
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Speaker 1: It's the episode where the subject of beauty is at
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Speaker 1: the center.
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Speaker 3: Of it.
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Speaker 1: This is the most batshit insane episode of this show yet.
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Speaker 1: I love you, Mike White. Keep them coming. So about
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Speaker 1: a month ago, I asked one of our producers here
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Speaker 1: at Double Elvis, Taylor Bettinson to compile a list for me.
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Speaker 1: I wanted to watch a bunch of great films by
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Speaker 1: a handful of select filmmakers that I really love, chronologically
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Speaker 1: in relation to themselves. So what I mean is this,
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Speaker 1: I wanted to watch how Alfred Hitchcock influenced Steven Spielberg,
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Speaker 1: who then influenced Martin Scorsese. Scorsese influences Spielberg back, and
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Speaker 1: you keep going and you get to the Cohen brothers
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Speaker 1: in Tarantino, and the Anderson's Paul Thomas Anderson and Wes Anderson.
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Speaker 1: So I wanted to see how their filmmaking influenced each other.
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Speaker 1: I've heard Scorsese and I've heard Spielberg talk about this
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Speaker 1: a little bit. I haven't really heard much from the
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Speaker 1: nineties guys that I love, but you know that they're
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Speaker 1: influencing each other, and I wanted to see this influence
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Speaker 1: in practice. So about them up, I asked one of
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Speaker 1: our producers here at Double Elvis, Taylor Betenson to compile
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Speaker 1: this list for me. So I asked him, I said, hey,
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Speaker 1: take the following filmmakers. I'm cutting out all the early
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Speaker 1: Hollywood stuff because it's just it's too radically different from
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Speaker 1: the stuff that I love that happens in the seventies, eighties,
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Speaker 1: nineties in the nows. So take take Hitchcock and just
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Speaker 1: give it me because I want to. I want to
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Speaker 1: see everything I've seen by Hitchcock, right, And that's like
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Speaker 1: the pre list, that's the that's the workout before the
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Speaker 1: two A Days happened. It's not the real two A days. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So I got the whole Hitchcock list. After that, we're
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Speaker 1: now late sixties. Who's that Knocking at My Door? Martin Scorsese,
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Speaker 1: which is nineteen sixty eight. Okay, from there, that's the
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Speaker 1: starting point. Give me Scorsese, Spielberg, the Cohen Brothers, Paul
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Speaker 1: Thomas Anderson, Wes Anderson, and list out. And those are
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Speaker 1: five of my favorite filmmakers. That's why I gave him
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Speaker 1: those list out for me, all of their movies as
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Speaker 1: they were released chronologically in one list. Give me Who's
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Speaker 1: that Knocking at My Door? By Scorsese in nineteen sixty seven,
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Speaker 1: Topaz by Hitchcock in nineteen sixty nine, Duel by Spielberg
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Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy one, Frenzy by Hitchcock in seventy two,
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Speaker 1: Boxcar Bertha Scorsese. Okay, then we keep going down the list.
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Speaker 1: We get to Taxi Driver seventy six. We're gonna see
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Speaker 1: how Taxi Driver may or may not have had any
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Speaker 1: influence at all on Spielberg's next film, Close Encounters of
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Speaker 1: the Third Kind. We get into the eighties. Here come
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Speaker 1: the Cohen Brothers with Blood Simple in nineteen eighty four.
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Speaker 1: Then you got Indiana Jones and The Temple of Doom
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Speaker 1: by Spielberg in eighty four, After Hours by Scorsese. You
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Speaker 1: get up to the nineties, You've got more Cohen's, Miller's Crossing.
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Speaker 1: Scorsese's got Kate Fear Now, Reservoir Dogs in ninety two,
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Speaker 1: True Romance and ninety three. I know we didn't direct it, Okay,
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Speaker 1: all right, but I have it in there anyhow, all right.
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Speaker 1: And then Wes Anderson, Okay, Bottle Rocket nineteen ninety six, Boom,
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Speaker 1: here we go pt Anderson Boogie Knights nineteen ninety seven.
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Speaker 1: We still got a bunch of Scorsesey and Spielberg peppered
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Speaker 1: in here as well. So my point is I wanted
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Speaker 1: to watch all of these movies like the insane person
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Speaker 1: that I am, and I've wrote my wife into this too,
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Speaker 1: to watch them chronologically to see if I can clean
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Speaker 1: any influence from one filmmaker to the next. And so
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Speaker 1: far I'm two two films in, all right. I started
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Speaker 1: with Marnie. I went back a little bit before the
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Speaker 1: list actually started, starting with Marnie by Hitchcock in nineteen
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Speaker 1: sixty four, because it's one of the few Hitchcock movies
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Speaker 1: that I hadn't seen yet. Did not like it, didn't
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Speaker 1: love this movie. I just whatever, I'm not going to
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Speaker 1: get into it. People probably love it a million of
21:55
Speaker 1: You can write me and tell me how great it
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Speaker 1: is and how I don't know what the hell I'm
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Speaker 1: talking about. You're probably right. I just didn't like it.
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Speaker 1: Who's that knocking at my door? Scorechas in nineteen sixty seven.
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Speaker 1: I'm about to get into Topez by Hitchcock as well,
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Speaker 1: and then I'm just I'm cruising from there on out.
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Speaker 1: Of course, I've seen probably half of these movies, if
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Speaker 1: not more, But I've never seen them in this context
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Speaker 1: because I obviously wasn't alive in going to films in
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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two, seventy three, et cetera. So that's what
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Speaker 1: I'm doing, and I'm on a wild tangent here, but
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Speaker 1: I guess my point is I'm gonna be talking to
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Speaker 1: you a lot about movies in the coming In the
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Speaker 1: coming episodes of After Party, you'll be hearing me recommend
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Speaker 1: these films. And I'm thinking, even if you're interested, hit
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Speaker 1: me up on social or email me or call me
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Speaker 1: or whatever, text me, and maybe I'll even share this list.
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Speaker 1: Maybe I'll make it public. I'm sure that's not too
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Speaker 1: hard to do. And if I can't figure it out,
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Speaker 1: Taylor can. But uh yeah, don't watch Marnie and watch
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Speaker 1: Who's that Knocking at My door? And don't send me
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Speaker 1: angry letters about any of this stuff. Okay, that's I'm
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Speaker 1: watching what I'm reading Bruce Springsteen's all the songs, and
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Speaker 1: I'm going to butcher the author's names. And I apologize
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Speaker 1: Felippe Margoton and Jean Michel Gesden. I think that's how
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Speaker 1: you say those names. But I'm I know, I know
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Speaker 1: I did it wrong. Anyways, apologies to the authors, but
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Speaker 1: this is a great book. It is just a bear
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Speaker 1: nuts and bolts attack at all every single one of
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Speaker 1: Springsteen's songs and all of the facts and data surrounding
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Speaker 1: the recording and the writing of those tunes. I'm obviously
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Speaker 1: reading this because I am researching. You guessed it my
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Speaker 1: Bruce Springsteen episode. But what crimes did Bruce Springsteen commit?
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Speaker 2: You ask?
23:41
Speaker 1: Aside from Lucky Town, I'm not sure, but this episode
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Speaker 1: will have a fairly unique angle on the Boss that
23:46
Speaker 1: I'm pretty stoked on. So stay tuned. Okay, what I'm
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Speaker 1: listening to? And the answer is, of course Christmas music.
23:53
Speaker 1: It's post Thanksgiving, which means it's officially Christmas season. The
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Speaker 1: tree went up three days after the Big Crosby record
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Speaker 1: came out, as did the eggnog in the Plantation Room
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Speaker 1: bing Crosby's Christmas Classics. You can't miss with that record,
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Speaker 1: Frank Sinatras Sinatra Ultimate Christmas, you can't miss with that record,
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Speaker 1: and my favorite Christmas album I think of all time,
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Speaker 1: Ella Fitzgerald's Swinging Christmas. I'll reveal more of my Christmas
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Speaker 1: listening and the coming bonus episodes, but I'm always on
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Speaker 1: the lookout for great Christmas music, so send me your recommendations.
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Speaker 1: leave me a voicemail. Six one seven nine oh six
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Speaker 1: six six three eight. I want the Christmas Rex hit me.
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Speaker 1: I'll be back with more when we come back in
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Speaker 1: the next bonus episode, but for right now, I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: have a sip of tea, take a minute, and then
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Speaker 1: get back into my second favorite part of these bonus
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Speaker 1: episodes right after this all Right discos. This brings another
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Speaker 1: bonus episode of Disgrace Slam to an end. Thank you
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Speaker 1: for listening. Next up, Part two on the Mamas and
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Speaker 1: the papas Mama Cass Elliott and the thorough Disruption of
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Speaker 1: the Helter Skelter Motive via Tom O'Neil. Thank you Tom.
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Speaker 1: So you guys have a safe rest of your week,
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Speaker 1: enjoy your friends and family as we start the most
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Speaker 1: wonderful time of the year, and by all means, hit
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Speaker 1: me up if you feel like blabbing. Six one seven
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Speaker 1: My Moment of Zen in honor of cass Elliott, A
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Speaker 1: reading from the nineteen fifty seven Greater Los Angeles phone
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Speaker 1: Book by Yours Truly, Dina Lee, Paradise Cove, Glenwood seven
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