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Ep 37 - Officer Jumps Over Car and Ferret Attack! · WA Police Confidential (Formerly Operation Podcast)

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  SPEAKER_12: Welcome back to another episode of WA Police Confidential, the official weekly pod of the Western Australia Police Force.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_12: I'm Joey Katanzaro.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_12: I'm Sergeant Nate Gilmore.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_12: We're going to play three short clips of Body One Camera and CCTV that you can delisten and then you can guess.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_12: Here we go.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_12: Okay, Nate.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_12: Let's give them some clues.
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  SPEAKER_12: First one it could be related to coppers.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_12: Ah, okay.
• 1:14
  SPEAKER_12: And the periodic table, perhaps.
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  SPEAKER_12: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_12: Yeah, okay.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_12: That's a bit a bit of brainy.
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  SPEAKER_12: Uh next one is a wild animal.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_04: Or a dangerous animal.
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  SPEAKER_12: Mm-hmm.
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  SPEAKER_12: Uh and the third one.
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  SPEAKER_12: Bad boys too.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_12: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_12: Bad voice too.
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  SPEAKER_12: Yep, definitely.
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  SPEAKER_12: Okay, alright.
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  SPEAKER_12: Uh buckle up, lights and sirens.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_12: This is confidential.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_12: Welcome back to WA Police Confidential.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_12: Well, last week, Nate, we heard from the police commissioner after a number of pursuits in the metro area, sadly, one of which ended uh with an 80-year-old man in hospital with serious injuries after a collision with a police car who was chasing uh a criminal, we will allege, in a in a uh stolen vehicle that was travelling at extremely high speeds.
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  SPEAKER_12: Um there was another pursuit just the very next day.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_12: There was.
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  SPEAKER_12: And and in in this instance, um uh we'll allege there was um some family and domestic violence in the background.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_12: There was there was a whole host of reasons.
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  SPEAKER_12: This was a character that um uh police were very keen to catch.
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  SPEAKER_12: So keen, in fact, that um whilst we weren't actively pursuing at that point in time, there was a number of officers who were very close by, and we're joined by one of them at the resolution of that pursuit uh from the Rapid High Harm Offender Squad in Jundal up, commonly known as the RAW, commonly known as the RAW, uh first class constable Zach Wyatt.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_09: Yes, thank you very much for having me on this morning.
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  SPEAKER_12: Now, Zach, before we get into um why in particular you are here, um you have uh some form for going above and beyond in this agency.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_12: So a couple of years ago, uh our I guess our peak awards for police officers here are called the Recognition of Excellence Awards.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_12: And Zach Zach uh managed to pick up one of those awards because he was in the wheat belt at the time and decided that he was going to treat um the wheat belt like it was a you know the hotbed of Mexican drug cartel activity and basically went and busted the uh I guess the Pablo Escobar of um of whatever wheat belt town you're in.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_12: What was that?
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_09: Uh Mora.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_09: Mora.
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  SPEAKER_12: I mean that you know that sort of Mora very similar, obviously, to um uh to uh one of those sort of notorious Mexican drug enclaves, not cartel area of cartel.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_12: Uh the wheat belt, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_12: Yes, yes.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_12: So you know you you you know you went and basically took uh the the same sort of methodology that you would use to bust a massive international drug syndicate um and and you went and took down which you know to be fair was probably the biggest dealer in the area.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_12: Um so you have form for this sort of thing.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_12: Now, if you could tell us a little bit about the pursuit, how you ended up being involved in it, because it wasn't in June law and it resolved.
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_12: Um, and then we'll get to the reason why we're talking to you specifically in a little bit.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_09: No dramas.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_09: Um, yeah, so start off as uh sort of any standard morning, getting with paperwork, checking out what happened the night before, um, and then uh whatever time it was in the morning over the radio.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_09: One of the one of our units from Clarkson radioed up to advise they'd just been rammed by a vehicle in the Wangara area.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_09: That's um obviously come over the radio, so everyone's gone running out of the office, um, started heading in the direction the car was last seen.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_09: Um so we'd had four cars from the Rapid High Harm offender response out of join that detectives, along with I think anywhere from 15 onwards other vehicles coming to assist.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_09: Um, we started figuring out where the vehicle was located, um, which led us to the area of Warwick.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_09: Um, I did recall one of the cars, there was a car that tried to stop it, um, which in turn this fella decided he would not uh immediately called it off, um, started just giving the guy some room because his manner of drive, we didn't want to increase the safety to anyone, uh increase the risk to anyone.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_09: And that's the that's the thing that commissioner has mentioned before, isn't it, Nate?
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_04: Risk assessment, huge risk assessment, and you gotta you gotta consider your environment.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, the time of the day it was, all those sort of things.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, this isn't midnight when there's one or two cars around, this was peak hours.
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  SPEAKER_09: So the decision was obviously made to abort that pretty quickly, and everyone just backed off and kept an exclusion zone in place, which I think is the safest option to do.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_09: Uh, we continued monitoring the vehicle's movements um when he's decided to try and make a getaway onto the Mitchell freeway via the, I think it was around the Warwick Road entrance.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_09: Um, in doing so, as um again allegedly has captured on Dash Cam, he's tried to push through a whole bunch of stationary vehicles and collided with, I think it was at least four cars.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_09: What what time was this, roughly?
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_09: Do you remember?
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  SPEAKER_09: I think roughly this was between nine and ten.
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  SPEAKER_09: So we got people going to work.
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  SPEAKER_09: You don't try to make a getaway on the Mitchell Frown to nine or ten.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_12: I mean, we've all thought of it, right?
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_04: We've all thought maybe I could fit through there, but I mean, this guy mustn't have put the shapes through the holes when he was a kid because figure that out.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_12: That was you know, strategically very yeah, that wasn't great.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_12: The Falcon does not fit, we found that out.
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  SPEAKER_09: Okay, so he's tried to make a getaway, yep.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_09: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_09: So you know, at this point, we're like, okay, all things considered, and you know, again, allegedly this guy's been involved in some serious family violence offences.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_09: He's round a police vehicle and he's desperate to try and get through traffic and make his getaway.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_09: You know, the point for us now comes in that you know, we we play to win and we play to stop him from continuing to harm anyone else, which he's blatantly shown he's gonna do.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_09: Yep.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_09: At that point, we all pull up at the top of the ramp and we actually start gun on foot down to this bloke.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_12: Okay, now hold on.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_12: What we're gonna do is we're gonna pause here and we're gonna look at some of the dash cam, I think, um, of the arrest phase.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_12: Okay, Jack.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_12: Which one of those officers were you?
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_09: Uh you can probably see uh myself taking the probably the not so easiest option bugging over the top of his vehicle.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_09: Um You're the officer who jumped over the roof.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_12: Yeah, correct.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_12: Yeah.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_04: Well, the police worldfire games are coming up.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_04: Probably are you are you training for that or are you a competitor?
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_09: Oh, I think it's uh a sport I might need to look into.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_09: Um Falcon vaulting.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_09: I've never knew it existed.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_09: That's gonna ring to it.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_09: Um, yeah, look, it's not something that we exactly train on in for at the Academy.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_09: Um, and it's quite funny, sort of, I mean, sort of seeing it up on the news and social media and um reading through the comments uh the people from there's some absolute perlers, I must say.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_09: Um, but I guess my sort of thing was in the lead up to getting to the car, all we could all I could see from the other side of the vehicle was um coffers everywhere and arms and legs going, and thinking, okay, this guy's you know, he's fighting us.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_09: You know, we all need to get in there.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_12: Zach, can you can you read us a few of the uh comments from uh social media affiliated with that uh that now infamous video?
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, um obviously having a quick look through.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_09: There was a few uh comments left by people reviewing the footage, um, which had me in hysterics at one point.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_09: I thought it was quite good.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_09: A couple of them included um, oh you know, Bro jumped that car like he was hopping onto a pony.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_09: Um, you know, he's been waiting his whole career to do this sort of move, and and one of my all-time favorites so far is you know, uh, this guy watched Bad Boys 2 the night before and thought he'd act out his dreams.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_12: Well, look, if you if you um are interested in in sort of I guess a a bad boys type career, um we are recruiting.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, uh search let's join forces, uh have a look through there, put your application in.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_04: You too.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_04: You can be like Zach.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_12: Sliding across the route of a of a car um to make an arrest.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_12: 100%.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_12: Um I guess at the end of the day, it you know, and we have a laugh because the job can be fun, but it's also dangerous.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_12: And those those vehicle stops, as we've seen um in the end of evades, they can be really dangerous.
• 9:37
  SPEAKER_12: Do you think about that when you're when you're in that moment?
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah, 100%.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_09: I think it goes back to you know, you know, our risk assessments and things like that.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_09: And it's something that I know that we train on pretty hard, and we've got to have certain reasons for engaging or disengaging, things like that.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_09: Um, obviously, you know, with this um sort of guide all the allegations we had prior to effecting the arrest.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_09: Um, you know, and and people comment as well, you know, why'd you have so many cops for one person?
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_09: Things like this.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_09: When you've got someone like this who is hell bent on getting away, you don't know what they're capable of.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_09: They might exit the vehicle nice and calmly to lure you in, and then next minute, you know, they pull a knife or a weapon or something like that.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_04: Like like Zach just said, he's actually rammed allegedly rammed a police car, you know.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_12: And there were some very serious fences alleged that it occurred before that even against against a family member.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_04: Are the officers okay, by the way?
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_04: Uh that were rammed.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_09: Yes, yeah.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_09: So um, no, I believe they were all fine.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_09: Um they were in uh a one of the pods with the big bull bars on it, so there was nothing too major.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_09: Um, I guess, you know, in terms of for anyone else that uh decides to try these antics, um, you know, I guess as the police, you know, every time we turn our lights on we play to win, all right.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_09: Otherwise the public starts to lose faith and we can defend them.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_09: Correct.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_09: And if you endanger the public or our community, then we will come at you with everything we've got.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_09: Yes.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_09: We'll hunt you, we will find you, and we'll hold you accountable for your actions.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_09: And that's why I like my job.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_12: We can tell.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_12: Uh the commissioner made a point of saying it that we have uh roughly about a thousand evade pursuits every year.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_12: So that's on average about two a day.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_12: Yeah.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_12: Um and these are people that we know, as he pointed out, that are doing the wrong thing, whether police are behind them or not.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_12: Often they're under the influence of uh drugs or alcohol or whatever the case may be.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_12: Um so those decisions are made as Nate alluded to, that risk assessment that you alluded to, uh you know, constantly.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_12: Because sometimes the more dangerous thing is to is to let them go.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_12: Absolutely.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_12: Um look, in honor of uh of yourself, and I gotta say, that was a pretty pretty cool move.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_12: Pretty sweet move.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_12: Um here's the WA police pipe band playing Dancing on the ceiling by I think it's Lionel, is it Lionel Ritchie?
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_12: It's well before my time.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_12: Is it Lionel Ritchie?
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_12: You do you.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_12: What a feeling.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_12: Thank you very much.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_12: Thanks for having me.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_12: This is confidential.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_04: Well, unfortunately, our talented pipe band was unavailable to perform Dancing on the ceiling by Lionel Ritchie, which, given the circumstances, would have been rather fitting.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_04: So instead, in recognition of our raw team and their epic takedown on the freeway, we'd like to dedicate this next one to the team who really know how to bring someone down to earth.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_04: Here's Bon Jovi with Lay Your Hands on Me.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_04: You're listening to Confidential.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_04: Perth police prepare for the unexpected, and they love to sink their teeth into a case.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_04: But our next guest discovered that sometimes the teeth sometimes sink into you.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_04: And this was one offender he certainly didn't see coming.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_04: Here to tetan us more about the story is acting sergeant Nick Adamos.
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  SPEAKER_08: Oh, I don't think it's a good one.
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  SPEAKER_04: What is going on, mate?
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_08: Well, it was a menace.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_08: It was a menace.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_08: The ferret.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_08: Um the ferret.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, he was uh It sounds like a super villain.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_08: It was, it was six foot four, it was a beast, a beast of a ferret.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_08: So it was it was a it was actually a welfare check.
• 13:15
  SPEAKER_08: We we entered the property to make sure the the person wasn't at the address.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_08: The person was later found aright.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_08: Um didn't realise there was a loose ferret inside the premises just running around.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_08: Um yeah, so we went in looking around.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_08: Initially the ferret climbed up my leg, and I thought, oh, you know, that's pretty cute.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_08: Friendly ferret.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_08: I wanted to say hello and I thought, oh yeah, that's pretty cute.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_08: It climbed a bit further up my leg, got to about my knee, and I thought, oh yeah, I'll I'll give it a stroke.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, that was that was a mistake.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_08: So um yeah, I went to stroke it.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_08: Uh then he was nibbling up my hand.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_08: See that right there.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_08: That one hold that one up to the urgent care right there.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_08: Yep, okay.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_08: That's it.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_08: So you can't really see it, but it's it's there, it's there.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_08: Wow, you're lucky, uh lucky to be alive now.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, I went to roll Perth, I was out for like a few days.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_08: Actually, break the skin.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, yeah.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_08: So I what it did, it it nibbled up my hand.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_08: I thought, oh, that's pretty cute.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_08: Oh no, that's okay, cool.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_08: But then it started to bite in proper, and I was like, ah, I've got an issue here now.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_08: Proper latched onto my my palm, and then I pull my hand away and it was dangling from my hand.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_08: Oh no.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_08: Um it was still it was still kind of cute up until that point.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_08: And then I was like, now it needs to get off.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_08: Like um, but it was just it was hanging from my hand.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_08: I eventually I shook it off, and then cute thing that was following me around the whole day um whilst I was there.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_08: Um obviously I didn't have the same the same uh reaction to it because it was now it was an enemy.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_08: Um didn't like police.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_08: It clearly, it clearly didn't, yeah.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_04: So it wasn't love at first bite.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_12: No, it's terrible, terrible so just quickly, uh welfare checks.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_12: Now we don't we don't always go to those, in fact, because we are often very busy responding to you know urgent calls for help, triple zero calls, um, which we we'll always prioritize.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_12: In this instance, what what was it that sort of tipped this one over over the edge so we went?
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_08: Um so the pa or the person at risk was on the phone to their their mother.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_08: Um the mother had concerns for various different reasons.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_08: Um the last she heard was like a bang of the phone.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_08: So she called in and was like, you know, my son's going through a bit of a difficult time.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_08: Um I the last thing I heard was a big crash and I wanted to make sure he was right.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_08: Um that's what we got called to.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_08: And we couldn't get hold of him, we didn't know where he was.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_08: Um so yeah.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_12: Was there any point um where you started to use your powers of police deduction and think this man's been eaten alive by ferrets?
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_08: Uh I I didn't afterwards I thought maybe.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_08: Um there was a few of them there, and I didn't I didn't I only saw one of them though.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_08: Um but the ferret, yeah, the ferrets are meant to be friendly.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_08: Friendly.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_08: Are they?
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_08: In quotation.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_08: I thought they were friendly.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_08: Thirsty.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_04: Apparently so.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_04: Nick, I've got to ask, uh judging by the accent, um, you are a transitional officer from the UK.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_04: Um when you signed up to come over here, I'm I'm I'm sure people have told you we've got a lot of bitey things over here, things that can sting you.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_04: Did you ever expect expect that you'd be on duty and bitten by a pet?
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_08: No, I I thought, you know, maybe maybe sharks or stunned by jellyfish, things like that.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_08: Never never a cute innocent ferret.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_08: Um now I know.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_08: Now you know.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_08: Now I know better.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_08: Stay away from them.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_08: If you ever see them in the wild, I don't even know if you get ferrets in the wild.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_04: Where do they come from?
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_12: Are they like South American or they're not from Australia?
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_12: Native to Australia.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_04: Africa or something?
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_12: No, no, not that I'm uh not that I'm aware of it.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_12: They're called polecats, aren't they?
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_12: Um I I don't know, but so any in uh Nate, uh you've been bitten by anything, a capybara or um any other sort of guinea pig?
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_04: I have a classic story.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_04: Um my one of my my permanent partners when I worked at traffic, we're on a traffic stop on duty, and he just suddenly took his pants off in front of the person we'd pulled over.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_04: Wow hear me out.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_12: I was about to say, what is this a case of Groovy's bodily charm?
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_04: He uh he uh he was bitten by a I believe they called a sergeant ant or a a large ant in his pants.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_04: So while we're standing on the side of the road, it's crawled up his leg and it's biting him on the inner thigh.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_04: And uh yeah, he didn't hesitate to strip down to his underwear and start jumping around.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_04: And um, I don't blame him because they they hurt.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_12: So that's a that's a priority one.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_04: Wasn't me thank thankfully it didn't happen to me.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_04: It happened to him by time.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that that one went down in a in the history books for my career.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_12: Yep.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_12: And and sorry, do we have body worn cameras?
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_12: Like was your was your body worn camera on when the ferret was doing what the ferret did?
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_08: So initially it wasn't, but then afterwards I put it on because I just wanted to make sure if it attacked me again, uh you know, I have video evidence of it.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_12: But can we have a a a quick look at the at the ferret video?
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_08: Inquisitive.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_08: I'm distracted at Garny.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_08: It's got a good it's tend to Well, so the when I turned my body one on and we were inside the inside the address, and then I got my glove on.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_08: I made my gloves going straight on this time.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_08: Um and then it's just sort of just playing around with it.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_08: Um it's still pretty cute.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_08: But then we were going, we found like the the patient at risk or the the past phone.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_08: Um every time I went to get the phone, it was like in the side of so there's a bed in the middle of the room, and on the side there was like a like a side table, and his phone was on the side table, and we just wanted to access it to make sure there's no like nothing untoward.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_08: And as we went to do that, the ferret was like it was like a guard ferret, so it was protecting the phone, and then every time I tried to walk away, it was like cornering me in the beneath the beneath the bed and the side of the um the dresser table.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_08: So yeah, it was it was pretty it's a guard ferret.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_08: It was a guard ferret, yeah.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_08: If anyone tells you otherwise, it was it's a guard ferret, the vicious.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_08: And if anyone tells you otherwise, they're vicious.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_12: Well, given your track we leave if you ever called out to say some sort of like a professional heavyweight boxer's house or a or or a big time rapper, um, I would be concerned uh for you.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_12: Um that's it.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_12: You know, the tiger looked cute, uh it was following me around, next thing you know.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_12: Yeah.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_08: Yeah, I uh yeah.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_08: I mean, I think I'd in those circumstances maybe maybe I'll be okay, but it's it's the cute ones you've got to look out for.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_08: The innocent ones.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_08: That's yeah, they're they're the ones that will will troop you up.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_08: Okay.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_12: All right.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_12: Well, um if you uh if you think you have what it takes and you're fearless amongst ferrets, um head over to let'sjoinforces.com.au.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_12: Thanks very much for your service.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_12: And um yeah, uh does this count as being injured in the line of duty?
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_12: Yes.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_12: Yes, we select you, sir.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_04: This is WA Police Confidential.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_04: You're listening to Confidential.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_04: Copper prices are sitting at an all-time high, and that means criminals are literally cashing in on the commodity, stealing what they can and selling it to recycling yards for a quick buck.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_04: Stolen copper can mean power outages, damage in infrastructure, delayed construction, and costly repairs, leaving victims in the community frustrated and convenienced, all for someone else's quick payday.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_04: Mundering police recently charged a man following an investigation, and here to tell us more is OIC Sergeant Tony Signal.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_04: Welcome back to the pod.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_04: Good to be back.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, uh, your guys are doing some amazing work up there in Mundering.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, last week, I believe.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_04: Guy was taken into custody.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_04: What happened there?
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, thanks, Nate.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, as you said, there guys and girls are doing a really good job.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_06: Um, I'm in a difficult situation.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_06: Um, we had uh a heap of copper thefts, which we'd uh classify as a spate of crime over the King's birthday long weekend.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_06: Um we weren't notified until the Tuesday after the long weekend, and they um Western Power, Telstra, and a number of other um councils were calling up and reporting uh outages, both uh communications and power.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_06: Um it equated to about 15 uh separate offences.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_06: Um so we did our uh ILA actions and we we conducted investigations, and thankfully, with the help of our forensic team down in Midland, we came up with some avenues to uh Look into and as a result, uh a gentleman was arrested and charged last week.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_04: Great.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_04: So they they're causing a lot of damage, right?
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_04: Um, for very um quick turnaround of a dollar, is aren't they?
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_04: Like, you know, we're talking about thousands of dollars of infrastructure damage just so they can make a couple hundred bucks.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_04: Is that right?
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, look, the one in Gidju Ganup was really um it was mind-blowing to sort of get uh really into the nitty-gritty of it, and speaking to the Telstra technicians and also their their administration side of things, they they estimated it was going to be about ten thousand dollars, um, that's including labour to replace that that copper wiring out of the Gidge Ganup area.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_06: Now, when it was really drilled down to how much wire was pulled out, it was in the vicinity of 200 metres and it weighed around the 500 kilo mark of wire.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_06: And um, yeah, it was it was quite actually mind-blowing.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_06: And when we spoke to the suspect, he admitted that he used his bare hands to to pull that out over a period of three-day weekend.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_06: So how dangerous is that?
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_04: Is that you know?
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_06: Look, the the Telstra side of things, and I don't want to say there was no danger because there's always something going on in there, and we don't know what sort of live uh cabling is down there.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_06: But the other ones, uh specifically, the Western Power ones, the they're um the technicians who attended and assisted police with uh uh making sure it's safe for us to investigate, they were saying they're actually live wires, they're pulling down people's um power line to to cut live wires and and there's burn marks.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_06: And they're saying these guys and girls, whoever they are, are lucky to be with us to work.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_04: I would expect we're not dealing with qualified electricians here.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_06: No, no, they're they're not very um let's use the word smart in their um techniques.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_04: Is there a role the community can play uh in the prevention of uh copper thefts, uh particularly up in the hills?
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, look, there's definitely is Nate.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_06: We we're finding a lot of our areas in the Mundaring subdistrict specifically is real rural and um isolated and a lot of bush area.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_06: So the time we are getting notified, um the people who have been affected, the community, our people, they've reported to Telstra and Western Power and and and they've logged a job and they just think there's an outage.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_06: And then the time the the technician from Western Power or Telstra attends, we are um three days behind the eight ball, so to speak.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_06: So that um sort of limits our uh investigation investigation strategy.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_06: So what we're asking from the community is if there is an outage, you know, safety in mind, but just have a look and see if there is something that's um occurred in your property or just outside of your property, if there's criminality, if there's clear, you know, cuts or or wire being removed that they can tell, and then we will attend immediately.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_04: That's great, yeah.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_04: Because especially those with local knowledge, they will know if something's out of place, right?
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_04: Like if a uh pit cover is undone, or like you said, if there's wires lying around, um, they'd know better than uh the average Joe who's driving past.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_06: Absolutely.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_06: And and there's a saying, I've been at Mundering OIC for only for six months now, and I think the first thing that got said to me was um you can't fart at one end of Mundering and the other end of Mundering will know about it before you do.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_06: So it's um it's a bit crude, but they the uh grapevine is very um and and community is very in tune of what's happening in the area.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_06: So yeah, they will know if something's a miss or there's a car acting suspiciously.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_06: So look, um let us know.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we had you on the pod a few weeks ago about some statues that were stolen.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_04: I think it was Kalamundaway.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_06: Uh yeah, it was the Mundering um statue, the sculpture park.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_06: We had uh two sculptures stolen.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_06: And that was a similar thing, right?
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_06: Were they also copper or bronze or the the the makeup is believed to be copper and bronze, um, very heavy, very dense, um, and there was a real community outrage and a lot of uh contact, but unfortunately we're still uh still waiting for the case.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_06: Still actively looking at that one.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_06: Correct.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_04: So look, if anyone's listening and they know um, you know, who's out there actually uh raiding these your copper um your copper sites uh or even the who might have information about the statue, they could uh report it to you guys.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_04: Or to uh to crime stoppers.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_04: You can be anonymous as well.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_04: For sure, for sure.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_04: A bit a few fast facts here that my our uh producer Joe's just got up on copper.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you know, it's as copper's talking about copper.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you know, typical theft cases, uh stealing seven grand worth of cabling can cause over fifty grand worth of structural damage and repairs.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_04: Not only that, but you know, infrastructure blackouts that impact the community.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_04: Um the average suburban home in WA contains roughly 80 to 100 kilos of copper in wiring aircon units and appliances.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_04: But as you mentioned, um Tony, the you know, it's not necessarily building sites that are are targeted, it's it's more commercial, right?
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah, correct, because it's it's outside hours, it's you know, three o'clock in the morning that they're getting a targeted and everything else.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_06: But it's it's it sort of pushes into the next part part is is where is this copper going and and where's the money coming from?
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_06: So we we want to put our um our scrap metal dealers on notice.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_06: Are they are they maintaining a correct log of who's coming in and who's selling as they should?
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_06: It's exactly the same situation as cash converters and pawnbrokers.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_06: They have to have uh an accurate log, and we're actually finding, um, I can only speak about my area, that it's not being adhered to.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_06: So that's something that we're looking into.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_06: Um, I get that they're a business and they're there to make money, but they've also got to adhere to the law and the legislation and um and and and they're actually facilitating the the thirst of quick, easy money um, much in line with you know the drug dealing and and those sort of things.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_04: No, the dealers are on notice.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_04: You you're doing a lot of work behind the scenes with um making sure they're doing the right thing.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and we've discussed, yeah, the community um having their role to play.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, is there anything else you'd like to add?
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_06: No, I don't think there's uh too much to add.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_06: Um we had a a um another successful arrest um only on Thursday of last week, again with another copper theft um being solved.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_06: Again, I touched on the the Western Power side of things, a dangerous uh activity to the to the suspect as well, or the offender, and um this person was uh arrested accordingly, but it also linked to a number of other offences in our sub district.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_06: So really pleasing results.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_04: So the crooks are on notice.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_04: Mundering police uh are on on the trail, and um they'll catch up with you eventually and knock it off.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_04: Well, not literally, but you know, cut it out, or even then, that's probably not a right pass.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_04: Just stop stealing copper.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_04: Uh it's inconveniencing everyone.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_04: It costs a lot of money to replace infrastructure, and uh the Mundaring police want to be out there in a community solving other crimes.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_06: Absolutely.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_06: No, that's um that's a really great message to finish up on.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_04: You're listening to WA Police Confidential.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_04: Well, road user behaviour has become a focus in recent months, um, in line with the the high road toll that we've seen uh in the news headlines.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_04: We're joined by Sergeant John Boyer from the Road Policing Group North to talk more about an operation that's currently underway targeting poor road user behaviour.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_04: Sarge, thanks for joining us.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_10: Thanks for having me.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_04: What have you got in your hand there?
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_10: Currently, we've got an operation which has been established trying some slightly different tactics from our usual um, I'd say, enforcement of category air fences that we call them.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_10: So you typically see um officers standing with a laser on the side of the road, or we do mobile radar.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_10: Um, and obviously you see the RBT lines and the the targeting impaired driving.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_10: Um what we've got currently going on at the moment is called operational sentinel.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_10: Operational sentinel.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_10: And so it's different tactics.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_10: And what we're what we're targeting is is the higher um speeds on on or the roads with the higher speeds, so the Mitchell Freeway, um, the 100 limits, so higher, higher speeds.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_10: And and what what we found is is that there's there's quite a bit of poor driver behavior, which is not necessarily linked to just speeding or or just using a mobile phone.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_10: So um talking about you know the typical trader who's tailgating, swerving through traffic.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_10: So um a lot of following too closely, a lot of um, yeah, basically uh on the morning commute, you've got people swerving through the traffic.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_10: And so what we've got is currently we've got unmarked um police vehicles uh and officers who are wearing plain clothes.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_10: And what they're doing is they've um they're capturing evidence and stopping these motorists.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_10: Um, so not our typical enforcement.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_10: Um and what we're finding is is that um using the, for example, the helmet or the the cat-mounted camera, um, these officers are able to stop the motorists, show them the footage of their porter hype.
• 31:30
  SPEAKER_10: So let's be honest, you know, sitting a meter off uh of a vehicle in a fast lane that's going the speed limit, flashing and then swerving on the inside.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_10: So um, yeah, they're able to show the behaviour, discuss, um, discuss, I guess, the safety implications, show them the footage, and then when they issue um uh an associated infringement, if that's or or or whatever the outcome would be, um, the finding that the um the impact is basically immediate.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_10: So um research shows that to elicit a change in driver behaviour, um, you know, a ticket issued two months later isn't necessarily dealing with the issue, and it's the officer's interaction um with the motorists.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, seeing the lights and the hear the siren light up behind you and and having an officer at your window holding you to account for that part behaviour um on this uh this printout that you've got in your hand are a number of um excuses.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_04: And shockingly, some of these drivers are in heavy vehicles, they're in trucks, they're in utes.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_04: Uh yeah, look, is there any that stand out there that um you want to share with our audience?
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_10: Well, we've got um some of some of the the recent comments which have been recorded.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_10: Um so you've got uh a driver driving along, holding the phone in their hand, um, just explaining, just trying to get um get to the map function.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_10: And obviously, when the officers interact with that, they can say, well, you know, most cars now they do have Apple CarPlay.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_10: There is no real reason to be driving along at all with the phone in their hand because we've got technology now which can help that.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_10: Um other officers who stopped uh a Ute on the Tonkin Highway in Forest Field, and the reason is they they're crossing basically uh double solid lines.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_10: Yep.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_10: I'm just saying, well, I just wanted to merge lanes.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_10: So those those officers um gave infringements for those instances.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_10: Um you've got uh on the Mitchell Freeway on then on the 9th of October.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_10: Um, so again, a driver driving along on the freeway holding their phone, and the explanation was they're watching a podcast.
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_04: No way.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_10: And then you know, obviously the message needs to go to the public, which do it doing that, you know, you copper a thousand dollar infringement.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_04: Is that an aggravated mobile phone use?
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_10: It is, and that's and that's four points.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_10: So on the four demerits.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_04: So if you were just picking up the phone um and using it for a call or a text that that's not aggravated, is that right?
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, so they're there are two different types.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_04: Um so one carries a lesser penalty.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, so um obviously when you're interacting with social media and watching videos and things, obviously that's uh it's yeah, it's different from um holding it and well, I guess aggravated, yeah, holding the phone.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_04: And um we had one of the motorcycle patrol officers on the podcast a few episodes ago, and he actually observed a driver on Tonkin watching Minecraft.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so yeah, I mean, that's just ridiculous, right?
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_10: I mean, uh the the statistics show, and when you when you you know, obviously in road policing, you get the opportunity to attend certain conferences, um, the the research and the statistics to do with distractions, um, it's huge.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_10: And obviously, if you're traveling along at 100 or 110 um and something happens, your reaction time and and everything else that's going on is yeah.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_10: Correct.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_10: So so mobile phones has been one of the um, I guess, the category of offences that Operation Sentinel has been quite successful in targeting.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_10: The the motorcycles, and you might be aware that because of their sitting higher, they filter through traffic, they um they capture a lot of evidence through their helmet mounted cameras.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_10: Um and obviously they can look down into the cars.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_10: I mean, in our our the the vehicles that we use.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_10: Um, some are not so suited to that, but we've got a fleet now, um, and we're getting um vehicles which are um more suited to higher positions, so we can also do that enforcement.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_04: Um but we're not going to tell you what they are because they're COVID for a reason.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_04: That's it.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_04: Uh yeah, look, I I ride, um, I ride recreationally on my way to work sometimes as well.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_04: And yeah, especially on a motorcycle, you you're you're more vulnerable in traffic.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_04: And if you've got people who are watching Minecraft or they're listening to a or watching a podcast, I should say, or fiddling with maps, that's that's even more dangerous, isn't it?
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_10: So we've got another another explanation.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_10: Um, we've got a professional driver driving a truck, he was pulled over, he was going the wrong side of the road, crossing roads, and that was in Barracks Street in Perth, and his explanation is I'm a professional driver, it's normal for me, I do it every day.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_04: Well, not anymore.
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_10: Um, we've got uh an aggravated use of the phone as we discussed earlier in Quinana Freeway.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_10: The excuse was I'm gathering evidence of the digital advertising sign and the traffic pass, so it was marketing.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_04: That's kind of uh ironic, isn't it?
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_04: He actually became the evidence.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_04: Like at the end of the day, we're we're trying to um change driver attitude and driver behaviour, aren't we?
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_04: And um, you know, that's just that excuse just doesn't work.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_10: Uh another example on the Mitchell Freeway, um, a car that was speeding 32K's over the limit, and the excuse was they were late to cut their nephew's hair ready for the grand final.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_10: Um lots of lots of I'm late for work.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_10: So lots of people who haven't allowed enough time for their journey speeding, they're bullying pulled over and they're um they're receiving infringements for their for their effort.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_10: Wow.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_04: I'll I don't imagine there'd be any shortage of excuses and look, we would hope that um that kind of behaviour sort of um stops, but we're seeing it all too often, aren't we?
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_04: So um yeah, your guys will be out there and uh as you mentioned before, anytime, anywhere, and um you can expect to be uh issued with a fine if you are caught red-handed.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_10: That's it.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_10: Um but it would it would be fair to say that most of the people that we interact with, um whether or not it it's just for speeding um or or they've done something uh a U-turn where they shouldn't do the U-turn, it would it would be fair to say that the vast majority of people um accept what they've done.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_10: Um it's it's it's um it is largely positive interactions um and the officers will stop, you know, our office alone will stop hundreds of motorists every day.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_10: Um and they are largely positive interactions um and the people appreciate what they've done.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_10: But obviously in line with our enforcement category A, um, there are outcomes we need to deliver with that.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_10: Um research has shown that um basically um talking to someone uh doesn't necessarily change the behaviour.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_10: That's why we do have the infringement process.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and demerit points particularly that they're hard to reaccumulate.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_04: Three years to get them back, and you only get twelve.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_10: That's it, and obviously pea platers um have a lot less.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_10: Yeah, so um one infraction for a pea plater, um obviously that can cause them the license.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_10: So um and we we would we also um deal with a lot of the car clubs, so obviously car club meetings, and that gives us uh an opportunity to interact with especially the younger, the younger drivers who are pea platers, um, and and very much we are involved in um mingling amongst the car clubs and just delivering the message that um drive, enjoy your car, but do it within the rules and do it safely because at the end of the day, everyone needs to get home to their families.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely agree with you.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_04: Important work that you and your team are doing at the Row Policing Group, North, plus the uh the other traffic branches around the metro area and regional WA.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you once again.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_04: This is WA Police Confidential.
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  SPEAKER_00: All units.
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  SPEAKER_00: The WA police force is looking for people, all kinds of people.
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  SPEAKER_00: People in the tech, in the company, into four-wheel driving, dog people, and horse people, people who like motorbikes, pushbikes, planes, helicopters, and boats, people who are big on community, helping others and solving true crime, not just watching it, you know.
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  SPEAKER_05: If you can be one of these people, you've found your people.
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  SPEAKER_05: So much let's join forces.
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  SPEAKER_04: It's that time of the week.
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  SPEAKER_04: Once again, we're joined by my fellow colleague Claire Sienta for her segment.
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  SPEAKER_04: It's probably bad news.
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  SPEAKER_04: Claire, is it bad news?
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  SPEAKER_01: It is bad news.
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  SPEAKER_04: Oh, what have we got?
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  SPEAKER_01: But we do have some, there's a little like nugget of good news in the case as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, um, firstly, we have to start with some like pretty serious offences, um, but some really good work by the sex crimes division.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, they've had a couple of jobs this week.
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  SPEAKER_01: So 57-year-old man from Wembley Downs has been charged with possessing child exploitation material.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, so there was a mountain of work that went into that, uh, a really lengthy investigation that resulted in those charges.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and he's appearing before court this week.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh additionally, and and separate to that, a 30, 30-year-old man who was actually employed at a northern suburb school was charged with allegations of inappropriate behaviour and sexual assault against a female student.
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  SPEAKER_01: So really serious allegations there, um, but some really good work by the sex crimes division that that deal with this sort of stuff day in, day out.
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  SPEAKER_04: They do phenomenal work, and we've had them on the podcast before, and just hearing their stories is is chilling.
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  SPEAKER_04: It's interesting, um, but it's so meaningful in what they're doing and they're holding these uh people to account.
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  SPEAKER_04: It's brilliant.
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  SPEAKER_01: Of course.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the the other part of um of that as well is obviously if you've had any experienced any trauma, if you have any reports of any sort of allegations of that nature, contact safe to say you can do that anonymously.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and yeah, please come forward and and seek that help.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, meanwhile, we've also had a 13-year-old boy charged.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now, this was a really quite a confronting incident.
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  SPEAKER_01: You may have seen it in the media this week.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um on Saturday, the 17th of October, at about 12:30 a.m., police were called to reports that shots were fired into a residential premises on Burt Street in Gosnals.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, seven people were inside the home at the time.
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  SPEAKER_01: And like luckily, that only one person had uh minor injuries, obviously very traumatic for all seven people inside, but um, yeah, including children actually were in in that home.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, one person minor injuries from the glass shattering.
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  SPEAKER_04: So Okay, so no no bullets hit any people, which is you know very lucky.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the rapid apprehension squad worked really hard on that job.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um they've actually arrested and charged a 13-year-old boy, uh, a couple of really, really serious charges endangering life, um, unlawfully possessing a firearm and unlo unlawfully using a firearm as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um that boy, a 13-year-old boy, is in Perth Children's Court this week.
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  SPEAKER_01: So some really good work by the Rapid Apprehension Squad, but of course a really scary incident.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I mean, uh anyone in possession of a firearm in a public place is concerning, let alone uh a juvenile.
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  SPEAKER_04: So uh yeah, great work by the RAS squad there.
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  SPEAKER_04: Is that all you got for us this week?
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, nothing good unfortunately, except for the good work done by our our teams out there in the in the agency.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, look, and if you're interested in uh any kind of branch within the WA police force, might be Sex Crimes Division, might be Rapid Apprehension Squad, might be forensics, you can go to Let's Join Forces, put in your application and join us.
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  SPEAKER_04: Thanks, Claire.
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  SPEAKER_04: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_04: This is confidential.
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  SPEAKER_12: Okay, thanks very much for listening to another episode of Confidential.
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  SPEAKER_12: Clearly, Claire has had to leave, and I have come back.
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  SPEAKER_12: Welcome back for one of my favourite parts of the podcast, which is the history facts.
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  SPEAKER_12: History facts.
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  SPEAKER_12: History fact of the week.
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  SPEAKER_12: Yep, okay.
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  SPEAKER_12: What have we got this week?
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  SPEAKER_04: Uh, the murder of Detective Constable Carl Rowe from 1946.
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  SPEAKER_12: These are never fun.
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  SPEAKER_12: No.
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  SPEAKER_12: Very rarely are these history facts fun, but go on.
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  SPEAKER_04: This week marks the 80th anniversary of one of the most tragic reminders of the dangers of police work.
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  SPEAKER_04: Thirty-four year old detective constable Carl Rowe was a member of the CIB, which is the criminal investigation branch.
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  SPEAKER_04: Uh, when he was murdered in the line of duty on the 21st of October 1946, he was investigating a series of housebreakings and thefts.
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  SPEAKER_04: When he arrested a known criminal, Sidney Hammond, at his house in Claremont.
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  SPEAKER_04: Hammond's wife managed to secretly pass him a 22 caliber handgun as the officers drove him in a police vehicle.
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  SPEAKER_04: Hammond shot Carl Rowe three times in the back and ran away.
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  SPEAKER_04: Roe was still able to give chase until Hammond turned.
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  SPEAKER_12: I know this story.
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  SPEAKER_12: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_12: He'd been shot and he still went after chase to the crook.
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  SPEAKER_12: Shot three times.
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  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, he still gave chase uh until he turned and fired again at his chest and head.
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  SPEAKER_04: The young officer died at the scene, and Hammond and his wife were eventually captured the next morning.
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  SPEAKER_12: I just want to say, so um, I know this story for a number of reasons, but the the peak award that we have here within the West Australian Police Force, um, that the public can nominate for as well, by the way.
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  SPEAKER_12: They can nominate an officer.
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  SPEAKER_12: It's about to open, actually, next week for the for the next sort of intake, if you will.
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  SPEAKER_12: It's called the Row Awards.
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  SPEAKER_12: It's called the Recognition of Excellence Awards, but it's not actually a mistake that it spells out row.
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  SPEAKER_12: It's actually in honour of this officer because of his, I mean, well geez, he went above, he's been shot three times and still, still decided community safety was more important and went after the crook um and died in the line of duty.
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  SPEAKER_12: And it's it's that sort of I I guess tenacity um and going above and beyond that we we acknowledge every year.
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  SPEAKER_12: One more little fun fact.
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  SPEAKER_12: Um recently uh uh one of uh the officer's descendants um gifted uh uh some of his uh personal possessions to the WA police museum um which we are opening up for the collection.
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  SPEAKER_12: Uh the commissioner, Cole Blanche, actually met with her um and said it was just a an amazing experience and that he was you know deeply honored.
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  SPEAKER_04: These are the sort of stories that deserve to be told and that the public uh want to come along and see.
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  SPEAKER_04: So having that on display is going to be not only a um you know a respectful um remembrance of his service, but uh also to to reinforce the dangers of the job.
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  SPEAKER_04: 100%.
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  SPEAKER_04: Um and uh yeah, to honour their memory.
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  SPEAKER_04: So uh that being said, the uh yeah, sadly, as I said, he died at the scene, and uh Hammond and his wife were eventually captured the next morning.
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  SPEAKER_04: Hammond was sentenced to life in prison and his wife seven years jail for her involvement.
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  SPEAKER_04: So Detective Constable Rowe, he received a full police funeral with honours, rightfully so, including senior police representatives from every state and even members from London's Scot Scotland Yard.
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  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_04: So the uh the word I mean it's inspirational.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, the Blue family uh knows no borders, you know.
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  SPEAKER_12: No, no, definitely not.
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  SPEAKER_12: Um, Nate, uh we we this week um had a pretty great show.
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  SPEAKER_12: Um, I think the ferret incident we were actually joking with um with Nick.
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  SPEAKER_12: Yes, Nick afterwards, that um maybe one of the things he has to worry about is uh come the next full moon, he he could turn into ferret man.
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  SPEAKER_12: To which he responded, I don't mind because that means I'll get my hair back.
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  SPEAKER_12: What a champion, what a legend.
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  SPEAKER_04: Well, if that means he can catch crooks quicker or uh bite nip it in the bud.
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  SPEAKER_04: Nip it in the bud.
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  SPEAKER_12: I like that.
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  SPEAKER_12: That's a good thing.
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  SPEAKER_12: Excellent.
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  SPEAKER_12: Uh thank you very much once again to everybody who uh was on the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_04: And playing us out is Bon Jovi with Lay Your Hands on Me.
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  SPEAKER_01: By the way, why just listen to a podcast about policing when you could actually be doing it?
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