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Underscore Underscore That's pro two Underscores A and T in tonight's episode of Disguise coverage
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doing a draft recap for the Buffalo Bills twenty twenty four draft class. And
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that's pretty straightforward. But to do so, I'm bringing back someone who is
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just here last week and prior to last week, he was here about a
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month before that, and when I brought him in for the last week's episode,
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because you know, he is one of my favorite guests and one of
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my favorite people, which I know he loves when I say that. I
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spoke last week about bringing him full circle or bringing him on to bring things
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full circle, because I had him on to talk about priorities heading into this
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offseason into the draft, and then brought him in last week to kind of
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put a bow on that heading into the draft, and I thought it just
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made sense to bring him in on this episode to have our grades, our
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evaluations are fit everything. And my guest for this episode mister Bruce Nolan.
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Bruce, you are too gracious to join me again for back to back weeks.
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I appreciate you. I like you, I enjoy your company. Welcome
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to the show. Oh you're on music. It would be so much better
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if I wasn't muted. That would be so much better. I would like,
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I feel like the energy of the show would really be a lot better
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if I didn't view myself. I was really like, man, he's going
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for the long pause for dramatic effects, dramatic entrance. This is what it
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is. It's a little bit like that. It's okay, so you're a
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professional wrestling guy. It's like when the lights go down nice and there's no
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noise at all, and then the crowd just starts going and then all of
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a sudden the beat drops of the intro music and he comes running out of
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the tunnel and it's like it is that bock Gow Is that Bruce Nolan's music?
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Yeah, just like that nice chair. I liked it, Yeah,
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but I legitimately like I was like, oh, he's going for the pause,
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and I was like, Oh, this is gonna be good. And
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then I was like this has been too long. And I looked down and
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I was like, he's not mute. But regardless, I get like I
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said, I appreciate you taking the time to join me. I wanted to
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have you on to bring this whole thing full circle that you know, this
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whole draft board series that I've been doing leading up to the draft you were
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on multiple times, and then to bring it all full circle here, Like
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I said, and what I like about this episode is we're going to be
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grading each pick and then thus kind of like the classes, it gets put
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into perspective, but not only just grading the pick from a players standpoint,
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but really focusing on fit schematically and structurally within this team. So in this
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episode you are going to get player evaluation, scheme fit and structure analysis and
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all that kind of stuff. We're gonna give some ceilings and some floors for
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each player, and then we are going to discuss and mention whether or not
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we think they will be getting a second contract with the Buffalo Bill. So
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very very fun. And Bruce, as we dive into that real quick,
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you know, from a thousand foot view or whatever, high level thoughts,
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how do you feel coming out of this draft? Was it everything you hoped
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it would be? Do you respect Brandon Bean's desire to address specific of needs,
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specific needs that may or may not have aligned with your own. Where's
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your head at? You know, as we dive into this episode and kind
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of come away from this draft, this draft feels a little bit like a
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slight shift in identity I think what we saw is we saw the Buffalo Bills
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repeatedly at multiple different positions do things that I would consider to be off brand.
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On one hand, you look at the selection of VPG think to yourself,
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well, that's on brand. I mean he looks like Mitch morse right,
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same height, same weight, Oh, short arms, okay, blah
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blah blah. He moves really well in space. Oh look at that,
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like you say, Okay, that's totally on brand. Keon Coleman not on
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brand, at least not on recent brand, and that's important. How about
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Javon Solomon not on brand? Cole Bishop is on brand for style. I
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think he's a very Jordan poyerish sort of player, but he is not on
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brand relative to the investment level that you thought you were gonna get a defensive
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backs. One of the big narratives coming to the draft was, well,
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you know, Brandon Beans made it work with lesser drafted players. Sixth round,
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seventh round, free agency picked up Well, maybe Sean McDermott, being
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the safety whisperer that he has, maybe just the defensive back whisperer that he
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is, would say, ah, you know what, get me a get
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me a fifth round corner, sixth round safety. I'm fine. So that's
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a little off brand. And so as we get into these individual picks,
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I think one of the things that I look at over archingly is that this
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is kind of off brand for the Buffalo Bels. That doesn't mean it's bad,
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it's just different. For one, they traded down in the first round,
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which has never happened, but that was just the beginning of the off
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brand stuff. So for me, this is this is deciding all the one
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day that you're not a Costco person anymore. Now you're a Sam's Club person's
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wholesale like that, but it's still whole sailor. So for me, this
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is Sam's Club of a draft. You were a Costco guy and you're like,
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you know what, I'm not doing Costco anymore. I'm doing I'm out.
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It's the Sam's Club draft for me. I like that analogy very well
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said, and uh yeah, I am in a similar boat. I don't
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I don't want to give too many thoughts away, but I have a lot
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of those sentiments just with and I guess too maybe that ties in with this
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offseason. You know, we've seen Joe Brady, you know taken over for
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Dorsey midway through the season last year, but this is his full, you
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know, first real offseason at the Helm. But then got a new defensive
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coordinator, new coaches in the secondary, new defensive line coach, new linebackers
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coach by extension, because Bobby Babbitt has become DC, Like, maybe there
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is more of a changing. Maybe it's more than just a changing of the
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guard from a staff perspective, and maybe that leads to more of a change
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from schematic emphasis or structural fits in some of these pieces. And I think
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that this draft class is a large, you know, stone in that pond
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towards kind of not just maybe creating ripple effects, but being more a purposefully
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placed piece. Is that reflect maybe a potential new direction in this staff,
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Which is a fun conversation to have, and I'm sure that will come back
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at some point in this conversation, Bruce, are you ready to dive into
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it? I was bored ready. I figured I'd keep the intro bancher so
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that way we only go three hours instead of three hours and fifteen minutes.
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As I appreciate that. Yeah, see, my wife will be thrilled,
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so I will come out only partially drenched in sweat, the heat that accumulates
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that. I get the same thing. I got the windows open, like
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to keep ventilated. But then I'm always afraid, like someone's gonna go driving
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let's dive into it and for those playing at home. So we're gonna go
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through, like I said, and give grades for each pick that the Buffalo
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Bills had in this draft. The last three picks are to group together and
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have a larger conversation. But what we're doing so for each pick, we
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are grading them on a scale of one to ten, one being absolutely terrible,
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ten being absolutely tremendous. So it's a grade for that pick. Our
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evaluation for that player, what we think skill sets, traits, strengths,
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weaknesses, or areas of opportunity, and then the fit for the Bills in
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addition to the evaluation of that player themselves. So again, each pick,
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we're going to detail their skill set in their trades and how that fit and
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or doesn't with what the Bills do. That leads to the grade. Then
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we're going to have a floor and a ceiling for each pick. It could
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be player specific or could be role specific. And then we're going to discuss
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whether or not they'll get a second contract with the Bills. For those watching
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live at home and playing at home, feel free to throw in your answers,
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your grades, thoughts, questions, comments, concerns, likes, dislikes,
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anything and everything you got thrown up into the chat. I will bring
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things up as much as I physically can, and I will star things that
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I don't bring up or things that lead to larger conversation, and we'll circle
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back to those things once we send Bruce on his merry way. Bruce.
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The floor is yours. Will start out for your grade for Keon Coleman.
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If you want to just do his individual grade, or you want to lead
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it right into his fit. Whatever you want, the floor is yours.
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Feel free to speak on the Buffalo Bill selecting Florida state wide receiver Keon Coleman
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at pick thirty three. If five is average, ten is the greatest draft
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pick that's ever existed. Zero is I literally wanted to spork my eyes out.
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Keon Coleman gave me a three and a half vibes. Wow, so
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we know before the draft. This is not rocket science. To anyone who's
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been following me. I don't think I didn't think super highly of Keon Coleman.
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Like I didn't have a first round grade on him. I had a
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late day two on him, so like a late three. Yeah, so
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like an end of end of day three kindry end of round three, right,
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And I my comp was Mohammed Sanu. That was my comp for Keon
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Coleman. I thought he was a possession slot. I think the hands are
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great, I think the catching technique is great. I think the yak is
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great. But and you can make a you can have a good career on
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that. Mohamed Sindho had multiple seve hundred yard seasons and he was a valuable
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contributor to a team. That's just a valuable possession slot rule. It's just
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not somebody you take in the first round. That's why he didn't have a
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first round grand I think that's also a good thing to say too, because
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like, not every pick is like a home run or awful. There's like,
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right, there's levels to this type of thing, and you could be
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a productive player for seven to eight years, or you could be a flash
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in the pan or be nothing. There's a variety of ranges on the spectrum
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in which you could be and a lot of it is. Everything in life
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is a value proposition. What you give versus what you get. If I
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tell you that you're gonna get let's go with Gabe Davis. Okay, you
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get Gabe Davis in on day three? Is where the Bills got him?
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Right? Yes, yeah, that was a tremendous value for the Buffalo Bills,
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even exactly he was got multiple eight hundred yard seasons from a day three
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pick. Yeah, right, that was unbelievable. If you told me you
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drafted Gabe Davis in the first round, I hate that. If you trade
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it up in the first round, I definitely hate. But you got him
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on day three. Here's what we do. We take one part of the
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value proposition, what we are getting, and then we completely ignore the what
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we are giving part of the value proposition. Everything is a value proposition.
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So for me, I thought perfectly reasonably of Coleman. Right, he was
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in my top I think he was the top sixteen right receivers. So I
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don't hate the pick. But my view on Keon Coleman was different than the
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Buffalo Bills. And so the second they draft him, like to do they
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think he's an X. Do they think he's an X? Do they think
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he's an X? And the brander's like, he's an X? I go
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go Okay. I like it a little bit less because historically players of that
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archetype have succeeded right as a as a power slot, as a Mohammed Sanu,
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as a as a player that you can make the deficiencies minimized, especially
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with how good of a blocker he is in the physicality, It's like,
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oh, that power slot kind of can be intriguing. This is gonna sound
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horrible when I say it, Okay, so just just go with me a
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little bit. Okay, Cooper Cup is not an X. Yeah, Okay,
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Cooper Cup was fantastic in the role that he played, Right, It's
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a matter it's not a matter of whether or not the guy's good, it's
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what does he do well and how is the best maximized. So that was
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my view on Coleman. I know you and I had a different view on
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You were higher on keon Coleman than I was right going into this as an
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individual player, yes, yeah, And then they were playing any people who
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are much much lower than I was on, Like I'm gonna I'm I'm a
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litterally gonna stab myself in the face if they think Kean Coleman, I'm like,
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no, Kean Coleman is fine, right some who had him higher too,
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some people had him as like wide receiver five wide receiver face like,
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they had him pushing the top five. So for me, it's one of
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those. They took him and I'm like, Okay, if five is I
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feel literally nothing about the pick, and zero is I literally hate my life
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right now it's three and a half. I was like, ah, man,
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well okay, and then I was you know, that's just the way
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it is. So for me, anything over five is I feel above average
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about it, and anything below five is I feel below average. I can
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think of markedly, markedly more players, marketly more players that I would feel
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better about. So for me, did Roy Collins in the in the uh
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comments that I thought Bruce comped Coleman to Calvin Johnson? What so? And
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DeAndre in the comments is I hope Coleman makes you your words, Bruce respectfully?
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I I hope he does too. And That's the thing about this entire
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conversation that I'm able to compartmentalize what I thought about Coleman from what I hope
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happens, because I don't hope anything more than I hope for the Bills to
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be good. Being right is overrated, Right, I would much rather the
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team be good and for me to be the absolute wrongest I've ever been.
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Yes, it's so much better. Like being right is horribly overrated. First
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off, right because it's so random in general, but also when it comes
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to the draft, it's even more random. So for me, it's a
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three and a half. And the reason that is is because I thought he
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was a late day two guy, So for me, it was a misvalue.
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In addition, I think the method by which you would maximize him is
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probably not going to be where they started. So those two things together make
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me go. If they draft him at in the third round and they tell
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they say, hey, he's a power slot, I feel this is like
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a seven for me. But they drafted him at thirty three and they said
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he's an X okay, and that's the difference right there, And that's where
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I'm at. And so I'm imagining, based on our pre draft discussions,
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that you're probably gonna be a little higher on the pick. So I'm in.
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I'm conflicted with Kean Coleman too the Bills for two reasons because so I
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am higher on him as a player overall, he was my wide receiver nine.
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I had a day two grade on him, like mid to late,
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like day two, and I really, and I've said this so much like
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everybody, everybody after the top three for wide receiver, like I felt like
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I tried. I rearranged my order like every single other day, Like I
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ended up with Xavier Worthy as my wide receiver four because I really like specific
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aspects and BTJ as my five. But I flirted with going back and forth,
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and then I had Mitchell at six, and I was like, no,
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should I not have Mitchell a six? Ricky piersall ended up in my
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top ten, Like I really feel like wide receiver four through Yeah, Like
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I really feel like wide receiver four like through sixteen. You could put in
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any order and I wouldn't like be too upset with like anyone, just because
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of how I had things tiered out and what happened. But with Coleman,
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so for individual player, like my grade for him, I graded it in
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two ways. I graded it as the player and then I graded him on
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or graded the player as a fit for the bill, so overall, just
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as an individual player, what I had on him, again on a scale
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one to ten. I hate going with like percentages or like decimal points,
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but I have a seven point twenty five on him as a player, just
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because I like I won, and I know the slow pieces. We got
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a couple comments in it already because he ran that four to sixty one.
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Don't conflate like forty yards straight line speed with him being this extremely slow player
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or a non athletic player. He is much more athletic than people give him
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credit for. You see it on the tape, you see it in advance.
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The analytics and metrics and GPS tracking both at the combine and on tape
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and in games, and pieces of that. I actually want to bring up
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the I know there's that like GPS tracking tweet that has what he ran and
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moved while he was at the combine. And I recognize both aspects of him,
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like I like the ball winning aspect, but I don't like the fact
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that you know, he had a thirty three point three contested catch rate at
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Florida State. Now some of that is Travis, you know, throwing the
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ball into less than ideal areas and putting him in contested situations that are setting
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him up potentially for failure and or being late to reads and late to throw,
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so on and so forth. But at the end of the day,
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if your calling card is still winning contested catches, even if you are putting
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disadvantageous situations, I'd like you to win more of those contested catches. But
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then you go back and see what he did at Michigan State, and which
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is wild watching the tape, like he looked like such a different player in
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twenty twenty two at Michigan State, almost to the point that I thought like
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he was like two inches shorter and like fifteen pounds lighter at Michigan State.
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But he's listed at the same height and weight at Florida State in twenty twenty
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three as he was at Michigan State in twenty twenty two. But his contested
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cuts rate in twenty twenty two at Michigan State was sixty two point five.
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And it shows like he's up there Boston Dudes against Michigan and just winning all
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these jump balls and doing these crazy things. He catches a touchdown from Jaden
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Reid like he's just catching anything from these contested catch situations, and I liked
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what he could potentially be based on the size, based on the frame,
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based on the athleticism, based on the hand strength, the ability to play
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above the rim and win those contested catches. So I had a seven point
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twenty five on him as a player. The fit for the Bills. I've
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gone back and forth between like and again, so five is average, so
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I probably should have gone a little lower. I ended up going with like
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a five point five to a six because I don't see the direct fit.
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I envisioned him more as an X as opposed to you have you been visioning
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him as a power slot but because of the lack of route refinement, because
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of the lack of deception and overall sharpness to his routes. Even when he's
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winning, you know, he runs a slug o and he beats the hell
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out of the corner and he catches the touchdown downfield, but the slugg is
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like ugly, It's almost like clunky and kind of plotting. He also had
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like an undisclosed injury that he was playing through and kept him out at different
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times. There's all this wonkiness. But I just didn't like what he was
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as a route runner, and so I liked him in a vacuum as a
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player, and I was thinking, like, man, if he could go
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ironically, like you know, you mentioned Cooper Cup, imagine if he goes
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to the Rams right where you've got Cooper Cup, who's this tremendous route runner,
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precision type dude, Puka Noakua, who knows how to find space and
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movement and so good at reading defenses. And then you PLoP in this big
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wingspan ball winner, contested catch potential guy as another receiver in that offense.
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I'm like, oh, okay, I really like I thought Alan Robinson was
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gonna be Yeah, there you go, basically, and I paid on that
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because I took him in fantasy and that was absolutely terrible. But I could
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see the fit with that, and so again, like as a player in
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a vacuum, I like, what Keyon Coleman could be, recognizing his faults
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but liking some of his strengths and overall, again what he could be.
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The fit with the Bills I just find still a little puzzling, especially considering
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what we've seen. And I tweeted this on the night of him being picked,
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Considering what we've seen Alan succeed with, which is like more traditional pure
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separators, the Cole Beasley's of the world, the Stefan diggs Is of the
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world, the dalton Kin Caves of the world. These guys who not only
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separate, they almost like declaratively separate, like Hi, I'm wide open,
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Throw me the ball. And then Alan throws them the ball. Now,
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he hasn't had a lot of ball winners or like back shoulder guys or jump
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off you know, throws to guys of Keon Coleman's size and nobility, Like
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we've never really seen that in this offense. But traditionally those aren't the type
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of dudes Alan has succeeded with. He succeeded again with more of those true
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separates, which Keon Coleman is not. So while I like Keon Coleman,
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I still don't know how I feel about the fit. He Again, I
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think it could work. But and again with a lot of the context and
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numbers, the contested catch rate in twenty twenty three is not good. There
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is some context to it, but still it's not ideal for a guy who's
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calling card is dunking on dudes and playing above the rim. And I wonder
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about his fit in this offense that still doesn't have a ton of overwhelming speed,
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doesn't have a lot of verticality. Now you're adding more of this physical
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intermediate jump ball winner. How does he play off of Dalton Kincaid? What
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do we see? Does this lead to anything structurally or schematically? Which is
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another piece of this conversation. But I like him more as a player than
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I do his fit in this offense, and I think that's what bothers me
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the most about the pick. This is the first opportunity for us to bring
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up what I brought up at the intro, which is this is the off
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brand. But what I said was it's off brand at least it has been
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for a while. Yes, this feels like the return to the Calvin Benjamin
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Andre Holmes. Also real quick, Calvin Benjamin is not a comperen Keon Coleman.
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Neither is Gabe Davis. From an athleticism standpoint, a movement standpoint,
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I don't want to keep hearing it that, oh he's another Gabe Davis,
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He's another Calvin Benjamin. False. Sorry, continue, no worries. So
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from a from a team building standpoint, it feels like a return to the
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idea of Calvin Benjamin Andre Holmes get these big ball winners. Yeah, and
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this is what I want to I want to I want to shine some optimism
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on this point right here. The Josh Allen has succeeded in the past with
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separators. Keon Coleman isn't a separator. Therefore this won't work. I want
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to talk about this. It was twenty eighteen. Mm hmm, very true.
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Josh Allen's a different quarterback now much. This idea that he didn't that
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one time five years ago, six years ago, and now because he didn't
23:49
that one time when he was a rookie six years ago, therefore he won't
23:53
now is bad logic. Now, what you're saying is we haven't seen it,
24:00
and that's true. But absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
24:04
Correct. So it's true that we have not seen Josh Allen succeed meaningfully with
24:10
a player of this archetype. But the last time we saw a player of
24:14
this archtype get meaningful snaps in this offense, it was twenty eighteen. It
24:18
wasn't this offense. Yes, that's what I want to talk about. I
24:22
want to point out the idea that that right there is just the assumption that
24:27
the thing we saw six years ago is still true with Josh Allen, and
24:30
it might not be. We don't I don't know. Now it's true that
24:34
we haven't seen it. That's a real statement. We haven't seen Josh Allen
24:38
succeed meaningfully throwing the ball to this type of archetype. Sure, but the
24:42
last time we saw it was six years ago. Let me ask you something
24:47
I had. I had sweet potato fries. Oh, tonight over dinner.
24:52
Get that's sweet dealer fries. Six years ago. I didn't like sweet potato
24:59
fries. Six years ago, I killed a man with the sweet potato fry.
25:03
Murdered a man and just in cold blood, right while he slept,
25:04
walked up behind him with a sweet potato, just shoved it right in his
25:07
mouth, suffocated him. Dead. Dead is a doornell. Oh, I
25:10
thought you're gonna go. He was allergic and you knew that. But I
25:11
like this way. This is the reason why I'm on This is the reason
25:14
why I'm on the hunt from the FBI. Yes, this is why the
25:15
FBI has come for me. That's why I'm on the run. So six
25:18
years ago, I didn't like sweet potatoes. But in the last year I
25:25
just tried him. I was like, oh, my taste of change.
25:27
It's six years, guys, that's a long time. This idea that somehow
25:33
he doesn't fit what Josh Allen was six years ago is true, but we
25:37
don't necessarily know. Maybe Alan thought to himself, gosh, you know,
25:41
I'd love to be able to throw these contested balls to Stevan Diggs, but
25:44
I don't know if he's gonna come down with him or not. Like I
25:45
don't know if he's got that, you know what. I really like to
25:48
incorporate this offense a little more back shoulder stuff. I'd love to have some
25:52
size and some ball winner, someone who could adjust the balls behind them.
25:56
You know, maybe I'd like to have that. But that statement, which
26:00
is being parroted around a lot, is true, But that doesn't necessarily mean
26:07
it applies now. Because it was six years ago. It wasn't like it
26:08
was last year, yes, or even two years ago. So I'm here
26:15
to try to be a balanced So on one hand, I can say,
26:18
yes, I thought he was gonna be successful in this specific spot with this
26:22
specific skill set, But also I don't think that's really a fair criticism of
26:29
well, it won't work. No, no, no, it i'n't work
26:32
six years ago. That's not the same thing. Yeah no, And I'm
26:36
not saying it won't work. I'm just looking at it from a I'm a
26:40
known quantity type of person. Oh yeah, right, and so hey,
26:44
like, if we're talking food, you know, I'm gonna make this meal
26:45
because I know Bruce loves this kind of stuff. This is what I'm gonna
26:48
make for dinner. I could make something that you've never had before, and
26:52
I know you've never had. Man, he might this this. I know
26:56
this is delicious and this can be really good. I don't know if Bruce
26:59
is gonna like it, though. That doesn't mean you're gonna hate it.
27:00
That doesn't mean you're gonna love it. It just means we don't know.
27:03
And that's what gives me trepidation with this pick is just because we haven't seen
27:08
it. I wanted a ball winner and someone with a more with a larger
27:12
frame and bigger athletic profile. I wanted them injected into this offense for a
27:18
good amount of time. And I'll tell you what too, Like just to
27:22
round out that basketball lineup, a wide receiver that can continue to talk about
27:25
if Stefan Diggs was still here. I just feel much better about this pick
27:27
because now I'm introducing a different skill set, body type, and frame to
27:32
a proven product, and now I just have another weapon at the table.
27:36
What gives me trepidation is that in theory, he's the number two or number
27:41
three from a past target perspective, and I don't have that known quantity.
27:45
I don't have that sample size of knowing this will work. And because I
27:48
don't know it will work, I can't evaluate it. And again to your
27:52
point though, and very well, very well said by you, that doesn't
27:56
mean it won't work. It just means we don't know. And I also
28:00
love that though, like that you pointed that out because people are taking that
28:03
as well. We don't know, so that means it's a dumpster fire and
28:07
it's terrible and it's a horrible pick. That's not what that means at all.
28:10
It just means we literally have no idea and the small sample size that
28:14
we do have one is a small sample size in terms of frequency and volume.
28:18
Two, Like you said, it was from basically a completely different version
28:22
of Josh Allen in a much different offense with also to those players, like
28:26
the ball winner quote unquote that Kelvin Benjamin is and you know Andre Holmes might
28:33
be is completely different than what Keyon Coleman is. Again, like I don't
28:37
just I don't want people thinking like, oh, well big dude runs slower
28:41
possession guy, they're the same guy. No, like the athleticism that Keon
28:45
Coleman has. Dan Brugler said it when I had him on the show,
28:48
like you don't play basketball at Michigan State for Tom is oh, if you're
28:51
a poor athlete. He is a good athlete. He plays above the rim
28:55
on the football field. It is a different level. But again, we
28:57
just haven't seen Alan succeed with someone like that doesn't mean he won't. Doesn't
29:03
mean that he will. And that's the big key or big key for me
29:07
and I do the same thing in fantasy football as well, Like give me
29:08
that known quantity there, I'll take some swings on some guys. But this
29:14
is, like you said, a departure from the norm could end up being
29:18
a great departure, but just because we don't know what it'll be is the
29:21
reason I have more questions on the fit. But again, more questions on
29:23
the fit than I do the player. One thing to know before we move
29:27
on about Coleman is that Coleman did run a four or five to three at
29:30
his pro day, and for some reason we're ignoring it. Yes, So
29:36
the difference between those two is the difference between the fortieth percentile of wide receivers
29:41
and the sixty fifth percentile for wide receivers. To put that in perspective,
29:45
Jackson Smith and Jigbo ran a four or five three and he did not do
29:48
it at the key on Coleman's size of six foot three, two hundred and
29:55
thirteen pounds, So to me, he plays like a four or five guy
29:59
on tape. He doesn't look like four sixes. He's not a burner,
30:02
but he doesn't play like for six. He plays fill. Do you think
30:07
he gets a second contract? Yes, no, and I do. I
30:11
do because the Buffalo Bills have a tendency to really put a lot of faith.
30:15
I don't think he needs to be a thousand yard receiver to get a
30:18
second contract because the Bills have a lot of faith. Remember when they signed
30:22
at Oliver ahead of time and everyone's like, oh, I don't know,
30:23
you know, the Bills believe in their picks. So I don't think that
30:30
he has to be stellar to get a second contract with the Bills, because
30:33
I think that the Bills like the draft and develop they want to resign their
30:36
own guys. Yes, I agree, I think he'll get a second contract
30:41
mainly the reason I think I don't think. I think Darlton Dalton Kincaid is
30:45
target one and number, you know, priority one for this offense from a
30:51
pass catching perspective, and Cook is going to get his in the run game
30:52
in the past game, and there's other options with Samuel and Shakir. I
30:56
don't think Coleman. I think Coleman if he even if he does well,
31:02
which is one hundred percent possible, I don't think his numbers are going to
31:04
blow the doors off the hinges to the point that if he gets the free
31:07
agency as an unrestricted free agent, he's going to command a salary that puts
31:11
him out of the Bill stratosphere. Like I think, he'll do well in
31:15
this offense, and then the numbers statistically won't put him out of the price
31:18
range for the Bills, and he'll be able to come back unless again,
31:22
somebody is really betting on the trades and he's you know, taken off like
31:25
wildfire, and then somebody comes out and gives him like fifteen or sixteen or
31:27
seventeen million dollars a year. But also at that point, we don't know
31:30
what the Bill's cap situation will be. It should be a lot better.
31:33
But yeah, I agree, I think he gets a second contract with the
31:36
Bills. Any other thoughts on Keon Coleman before we move on, No,
31:38
because we're already way behind. Fair enough coldish, I'm just gonna go ahead
31:42
and just swallow all the thoughts, any thoughts that they may have had.
31:47
We're just gonna go ahead and I'll come back for the third week in a
31:49
row next week. Make it. Hey, remember those thoughts you had on
31:52
Keon Coleman. Yeah, now's the time we'll play him back and then just
31:56
build from there. All right, Cole Bishop pick for the Buffalo Bills,
31:57
Round two, pick sixty. What are your thoughts on this? Col Bishop?
32:01
Pick? The grade, the fit, all that stuff. I like,
32:05
Col Bishop, I do. I actually had him a reaction article to
32:09
a mock draft that had him going in the second round, and I did
32:14
a kind of a mock mocking or a mock marveling article for Buffalo Rumblings where
32:20
they had a mock draft that was a d Mitchell at twenty eight, and
32:24
I was like, eh. And then they had an a the one that
32:27
had ad Mitchell and Cole Bishop, and I went and I said, that's
32:30
the impact that Cole Bishop has on me, is that he's able to take
32:35
a pick in the first round and go ooh. And that's exactly what happened
32:39
this time around, although the pick wasn't in the first round with Kean Coleman
32:43
at thirty three, Cold Bishop, I said, reminds me much more of
32:46
Jordan Ployer than He doesn't like a hide, right, He's better coming forward.
32:51
He's an aggressive player. He's a player you would feel more prioritized playing
32:54
close for the box. The tackle for lost numbers for Cole Bishop in college
32:59
are just stupid. I mean, safeties don't have that kind of tackle for
33:05
loss production, right, that's like a defensive end kind of stuff. I
33:08
think he has seven and a half sacks or something in college, but just
33:14
just a stupid amount of impact production from a safety. And I want you
33:20
to think back about the way that the Buffalo Bills fans thought about Tremaine Edmonds.
33:27
What they said about Tremaine Edms over and over and over again was hey,
33:32
yeah, I'm sure he's good, but like, where are the splash
33:35
plays. That's what they always talk about, splash plays, splash plays.
33:37
I want you to I want you to understand something about playing defense in the
33:40
modern NFL. The modern NFL is about making explosive plays on offense, stopping
33:49
explosive plays on defense, and making explosive plays on defense. That's what this
33:53
is about. It's about those big impact plays, the big sack for loss
33:58
of nine, the interception, the sack, the tackle for loss that puts
34:02
them behind the sticks. It's about that. Because this idea that you're gonna
34:07
say, we're gonna hold you to three yards exactly three plays in a row,
34:12
and then we're gonna you know, you're gonna go three and outs.
34:15
We're gonna hold you to four yards every play, and then one time you're
34:19
gonna get two yards and that's gonna be where we're gonna stop you. Like,
34:22
that's not how defenses work in today's NFL. So what you do is
34:28
you take players on defense who are capable of making explosive plays. I think
34:30
we all saw what the addition of Terrell Bernard did for the Buffalo Bill's defense
34:37
when he was healthy in the early parts of last year, and that is
34:38
you got a linebacker who made splash plays. Cold Bishop is that kind of
34:43
player on defense at safety. Now, I'm not comfortable right now putting him
34:49
in single high and saying, hey, your hips could flip either direction.
34:51
I hope you figure it out like that's not what I want to do,
34:53
and say, hey, you know what, there are goes on both sides.
34:57
I hope you pick right, like that's that's not you know, door
35:00
number one or door number two right. I always make the price is right
35:02
joke with a single high safety, But have I ever made that? I
35:06
don't think I've ever made that joke on here before. But I don't think
35:07
here either. I've heard you say it, but I don't think i'm here
35:09
now. The price is right? Is the single high safety thing door number
35:14
one or door number two right? But for me, it's about splash place
35:20
and cold Bishop. If you play him and split and you roll him down,
35:23
and you ask him to cover short zone, and you ask him to
35:27
cover half field, and you the things that don't just put him out there
35:30
on a random island a lah Greg Williams and Jabrill Pepper's putting him, you
35:35
know, twenty freaking yards off the line scrimmage. Just don't do that.
35:38
Right with cold Bishop, he can make a play for you. He's a
35:43
playmaker, and that's what I want on defense because that's what I think wins
35:45
in today's NFL. Make a big play. What what's your grade for him?
35:52
Seven? Okay, oh, I was close. I had a six
35:57
point So again I'm going decimals. I have a six point seven to five
36:00
for him, like the player himself, I had a three on him,
36:05
but again, like erapic sixty, it's almost round three. Same thing with
36:07
like having a grade of a two on somebody, and you'd take him at
36:10
the back end of the first fine with that kind of stuff. So I
36:15
had a six point seventy five on him for individually, as him as a
36:17
player, and then but I had a six for him with the fit in
36:22
the Bills. And it's weird for me with him, Like I think he'd
36:25
be awesome in the Patriots defense that they've had the past couple of years or
36:30
the Baltimore Ravens defense. I think he's best suited to me as he talked
36:36
about it, like, I think he's best suited as an apex or like
36:37
a slot big nickel. You know, he got used off the edge at
36:42
Utah. They would use him in a variety of different in spaces and situations.
36:45
But I think he's best The closer he is to the line of scrimmage,
36:50
the better he is. And by association or I guess you know,
36:52
continuation, the farther he is away from the line of scrimmage for me,
36:57
the worse he is. I think he's best used as as a buzz safety
37:00
or a robber like sideline, a sideline in and around the box, in
37:04
and around the line of scrimmage deep, especially from a single high perspective like
37:07
you mentioned, Like, I do have some concern there for as for as
37:12
athletic and as versatile as he is, he's got some stiffness in his hips
37:16
and order to sow his overall change in direction, And so if he gets
37:20
turned the wrong way when he's flipping and going back the other way, it's
37:22
usually non ideal. And it's against a variety of body type, skill sets,
37:27
receivers, tight ends, all that kind of stuff. And I think
37:29
that shows up in single high for him in addition to the two high stuff,
37:32
and so I like the versatility. Utah's tape was also fun, like
37:37
just watching Cole Bishop and then Vaki and then Jonah Ellis like they had some
37:40
dudes that are just flying around, like just crushing everybody. I wonder what
37:45
his fit is because to your point or maybe you don't necessarily like his fit
37:49
as much as I do, just plugging him in with what they have at
37:51
safety, Like he is more Jordan Poyer than Micah High, and so is
37:54
Taylor Rap and Mike Edwards can do a little bit everything, but if he
37:58
had to twist my arm, he's more Jordan Poyer them like a high.
38:01
I wanted more of a free safety, rangey, presence, eyes, trigger
38:07
processing, peace in that back end and not that cold Bishop can't do that.
38:13
I think he reads well, He's got a good football IQ, but
38:15
I just think we have another safety that's more into that Jordan Poyer mold or
38:20
into again, like I if the Bills didn't have Taron Johnson. I like
38:23
the idea of like, man, you can go big Nickel and like throw
38:25
cold Bishop in there, like where he succeeds and where he wins and where
38:30
I think he's best suited to be deployed. I don't think necessarily right now
38:36
exists on this defense or has, Like I question what the fit is.
38:38
Again, maybe he's just gonna be a regular safety and it is what it
38:43
is, which is fine. But with how he was used at Utah and
38:45
what you can do with him, I wonder are they trying to do they
38:50
just kind of point him in one direction and point and shoot over here and
38:52
try to hone him as more of a deeper field safety or do they use
38:55
him as this monster man, jack of all trades, everywhere type of dude.
39:00
But they traditionally haven't done that with that position. But again to our
39:04
conversation with Coleman and your piece and the intro, maybe this is more another
39:07
move of a potential departure from traditions or departures from the norm and kind of
39:13
seeing what he may unlock defensively in terms of where he goes, what he
39:17
does, and all that kind of stuff. Funny story, I had Cole
39:22
Bishop in my predictive mock draft for the Buffalo Bills, and I took him
39:25
out at the last minute and put in gageryon Taylor Demonson Emerson for exactly the
39:30
reason you just said. And I like Bishop more than DTD, but I
39:35
would understand d DTD fits as the range free safety. That's exactly what I
39:39
did. I actually took him out and moved some picks around and was like,
39:43
oh, no, we're gonna go DTD because I don't know if they
39:45
want another, you know, another guy who's better line of scrimmage. I
39:49
don't know if they want another Blitzer. I don't know if they want another
39:51
Jordan Bloyer, because now I'm thinking I was thinking Taylor Rapp and the new
39:54
guy, or Mike Edwards and the new guy. That's what I'm thinking,
39:57
right, Yeah, well now it's looking like Taylor Rapp who gives way to
40:02
cool Bishop and Mike Edwards. Yeah. I mean that's that's a different kind
40:07
of succession plan than you previously thought, because you want everything to line up
40:12
nicely in this bottle, and it just it just doesn't do that, doesn't.
40:15
No, it's a weird. It's a weird piece. It's a weird
40:17
fit. I'm not necessary, shouldn't say weird. It's not an obvious or
40:22
streamline fit. Again, maybe it is a potential move in a different direction,
40:25
similar to the conversation to Rel Bernard, you know, replacing Tremaine Edmunds.
40:30
The Bills use Terrel Bernard differently than they use Tremain Edmonds because their size
40:35
differences, frame differences, skill set differences. You saw at Bernard blitzing and
40:38
how good he is as a blitzer versus what Edmonds is. So again,
40:40
maybe this is a departure, you know from that type of role and mold.
40:45
Do you think he gets a second contract? Yes, I do too.
40:49
I think the versatility will earn him a role. The one thing,
40:52
though, I can see him going in a direction in terms of like a
40:53
floor, I could see him panning out kind of like an aj Epanessa where
40:59
he's stick around and he's like playing well, But the conversation is always like
41:02
yeah, but you're not really getting the value of him as like a round
41:06
two pick. I would have loved him if they took him in three or
41:07
four, but you know as a two man, but he kind of key.
41:09
I think his versatility will continue to get him, you know, contracts,
41:14
and continue to allow him to earn his keep. I do have this.
41:15
I do echo your thoughts with the playmaking aspect, I'd love to see
41:19
him make more plays on the ball, especially as a safety like deeper.
41:21
I'd love to see more of the impact plays and splash plays. But again,
41:25
fun skill set. Let's move on duke defensive tackle Dwayne Carter. The
41:29
Bills took him at pick ninety five. What's your grade? What are your
41:31
thoughts? Seven and a half? Oh, the grade for Dwayne Carter.
41:36
I went on record multiple times before the draft as saying that if your draft
41:39
included Dwayne Carter in the third round, I was gonna like your mock draft.
41:45
So I'm a simple man. I see Dwayne Carter and I click,
41:47
like I mean, it's just I like what I like. You know,
41:52
bear, you put wings in front of a guy, he eats the wings
41:54
like, That's just the way it works. Dwayne Carter, for me,
41:58
is the ideal Jordan Films replacement. He has somebody I want to bring in
42:01
on pass downs. I think he brings energy. I think he has cardio
42:07
for days, which means if you fall behind or if you're in a pass
42:09
heavy situation for the opposing you know team, you can have him on the
42:15
field and feel very comfortable that he can handle the snaps. If that Oliver
42:20
were to miss time, you can feel very comfortable he would be able to
42:22
play that three tech position. Now, I do think that there's some underdevelopment
42:29
when it comes to his pass rush weapontoix. I mean it is it's a
42:34
it's a lot of bull rush, right. It's just it's just a lot
42:36
of bull rush, right, and every once in a while with a spin
42:38
though and and and shockingly competent. But it only shows up like three times
42:44
or something. So for me, I'd like to see a little bit more.
42:47
But you know, if you have one trick and that one trick's really
42:50
good, that's still valuable Troy Frank right, as long as the one trick
42:53
is really good. So for me, I really like Dwayne Carter. Ignore
42:59
the whole nor the fact that it's leadership and character just on the field.
43:02
I think Dwayne Carter gives you what the Buffalo Bills were hoping they were getting
43:07
when they brought back Jordan Phillips with that high energy, backup rotational three tech
43:12
who can come in and you don't lose reps when Ed Oliver has to come
43:15
off field. And Ed Oliver has historically played more snaps on the Bills defensive
43:20
line than any other defensive lineman. But maybe that's because they didn't feel anything
43:24
that they had somebody who could come in and do it, And they don't
43:28
have someone who can come and do it next to him either. So when
43:30
Daikwan Jones wants to come off the field, he is thirty two after all,
43:34
and coming off of a peck injury. And so I love Daikwan Jones,
43:37
But if I can get to a spot where it's those three rotating,
43:40
I feel much much better than Gosh. I sure hope one of my defensive
43:45
tackles doesn't have to go off the field. How many times have you had
43:49
a situation unwind where you get stuck in a defensive front and all of a
43:55
sudden someone will tweet out John Smith and Bill Jones are starting a defensive tackle
44:00
right now for the buffal Bills. You're like, what, what, where's
44:02
that Oliver? This is a big down. Where's that Oliver? Where's Daikwon
44:06
Jones? It's because you got stuck with players on the field that you don't
44:10
think are ideal. So for me, I am all in on Dwayne Carter.
44:15
I think i'd like to see a little bit better get off of the
44:22
ball from him. But he has pop in his hands, like when he
44:25
hits you, you know it. And so that's one of the things that
44:29
makes the bull rush only quote unquote, that's one of the things that makes
44:32
it work is the fact that you have big hands and when you hit somebody,
44:37
they know it. It's not you're not just there's a difference between punching
44:40
and leaning. Yes, And sometimes you watch people who are bull rush players,
44:45
but they don't have pop in their hands, and what looks like they're
44:47
just leaning on players. They're leaning on them. Yes, right, And
44:52
that works great as long as you have an offensive lineman who doesn't anger.
44:55
Right. But the entire idea behind popping your hands is that you're stopping them
44:59
from being able to anchor because the jar and they have to then re anchor
45:02
and by then you can move on to your counter move. And I know
45:05
we're getting I'm getting way too into the weeds, but the fact of the
45:07
matter is that I like Dwayne Carter and I think that there's still room.
45:13
I know he's an older prospect, but I think there's still room when it
45:15
comes to Dwayne Carter. So yeah, do you think he gets a second
45:21
contract. Yes, I do, okay, And the reason I think that
45:23
is because the exact same thing that you said about Bishop. I don't think
45:30
he's gonna have the stats with Ed Oliver playing in front of him where you're
45:36
gonna have to pay a ton of money, so I'll work backwards. So
45:40
I think he'll get a second contract as well. And the literal thing I
45:43
wrote was I think he'll be a solid rotational three tech who won't ever outplay
45:46
his role statistically, thus being affordable andy able to earn a second contract.
45:52
I'm in a similar boat with the grade. But again I broke it up,
45:53
so I have a six on him as an individual player. He was
45:57
my defensive tackle ten, but I have a seven seven point two five on
46:00
the fit. I just gap penetrator, upfield, disruptor, and then off
46:07
the field character stuff right, captain leader, like how much he hustles,
46:10
pursued angles on the field. Everything you look for from a character perspective and
46:14
a behavioral perspective on and off the field, he ticks the boxes. I
46:17
do think his skill set lends itself well to being like the rotational three and
46:22
the guy behind Ed Oliver the only reason I'm a little down on him in
46:24
terms of, like on the field aspects, he gets displaced too often for
46:30
me versus double teams and even for some one on ones, and that displacement
46:34
can either be horizontal or vertical, like he'll get sometimes he just gets chucked
46:38
and just you could drive a bus through the hole, or he tries to
46:42
jump something gets grabbed the wrong way, thrown about a little bit. Yeah,
46:45
But to your point, the good initial pop shock in his hands,
46:51
that extension that he gets. But then sometimes actually not sometimes like a little
46:54
too often he'll get that knock back and he'll get that control. Also ridiculous
47:00
sized hands like ninety seven percent out for hands, which is and you see
47:02
it. That's why he has that pop bricks. Yes, absolutely like it
47:07
just he is hitting you with bricks and it's it shows. But he'll get
47:10
that pop in shock and that knock back and that control. But then I'd
47:15
like to see him disengage sooner than he does. He has reps where he
47:17
wins and he's in control, and I'm like, oh, he's gonna own
47:21
this rep, and then he doesn't disengage in proper time, and the running
47:23
back goes right by him or runs right through him, and he can only
47:25
get a shoulder because he gets that pop in that control, but doesn't disengage.
47:30
But at the end of the day, again, I think he's a
47:32
solid rotational piece. The character stuff is awesome, and I do like some
47:37
of his passports moves mainly just tied to that juice. And if you can
47:40
improve that get off a little bit. If you can improve some of that
47:44
not just the shock, but adds some of the shed to it, the
47:46
playmaking should go up a little bit. And again to your point, at
47:50
the end of the day, like we're talking about a guy who's not gonna
47:52
see you know, he probably sees forty five to fifty percent of the reps.
47:54
Maybe gamescript changes some things here and there, but you're putting him on
47:59
like when Ed Oliver is getting rotated. So you have a dude that's going
48:01
going one hundred miles an hour one hundred percent of the time. Who fits
48:05
the scheme, who fits the one gap mentality and style, Like I think
48:08
his play style, his frame and overall how he operates on and off the
48:12
field is a very very very good fit with this defense. I just want
48:16
to see you know, some tweaks to improve. You know again what he
48:20
does against the run, Like I trust him more against the pass than I
48:23
do against the run, like I'm worried like and it's a shame too,
48:27
because actually, let me put this in perspective a little bit. He showed
48:30
up better against the run at the Senior Bowl, which is what attracted my
48:34
eyes to him, Like he was not getting moved from the point of attack,
48:37
like he was anchoring, he was holding his ground, he was chucking
48:40
dudes. Then I watched the tape and saw how much he was getting displaced
48:45
again against double teams and versus one on ones at times. So maybe based
48:49
on the timeline the tape, granted, even though it's a larger sample size,
48:52
the tape happened before the Senior Bowl, maybe he was banged up,
48:55
or maybe he corrected for those things, and maybe the guy we see at
48:59
the Senior Bowl is more of who we see in the NFL. And if
49:00
that's the case, I like the player even more so because my questions for
49:05
him are more around the shedding and the anchoring and not getting displaced happening versus
49:09
the run than it is against the past. But at the end of the
49:12
day, I think a solid rotational piece, nice anything else before we move
49:15
on. Nope, all right, Now the next pick from the Buffalo Bills
49:21
running back from Kentucky, Ray Davis at pick one eight. I know this.
49:24
You know running backs are usually Round one type of dudes for you,
49:28
Bruce, So I know this is probably bad value in the fourth but nonetheless
49:31
give me your thoughts. So for me, Davis is a six. Now.
49:37
I like Davis. Now I had a lower grade on him than this,
49:42
right, I thought he was a mid day three kind of guy.
49:45
This was early day three, a little bit earlier than I would have preferred.
49:47
But when I look at running backs, I look at running backs from
49:52
the perspective of I do not want to sign a running back to any sort
49:57
of meaningful money after the rookie year, and I don't want to drip in
50:00
the first round. So because of that, there's certain things about Ray Davis
50:04
that I don't care about that are negatives for other people, that are negatives
50:07
for me. Yeah, his age doesn't matter to me at all. I
50:08
don't care given a running back a second contract. I don't care that he's
50:12
an older prospect as a running but I don't care at all. I don't
50:14
care how many carries you had in college. As long as you can make
50:16
it through your rookie deal, I don't care. So for me, those
50:19
are huge negatives for a lot of people when it comes to Ray Davis,
50:22
and it's just it's just not for me. I don't care. I think
50:25
stylistically he was exactly what you wanted from this this type of runner. Now,
50:31
I know that the one block that Brandon being referenced got all the attention.
50:37
Overall, I would have liked to have seen more from Ray Davis in
50:42
past protection. So I liked that one that rep that Brandon Bean's talking about
50:45
was awesome. But now I was like, well, he was an awesome
50:49
blocker because this one thing that we saw that was awesome. No, that's
50:52
not true. I don't think he was an awesome blocker. I think he's
50:54
natural hands and I love that about him. I love the fact that you
50:58
can put him on the field for James Cook and the idea that we would
51:02
throw the ball to the running back is not taken off the plate. I
51:07
liked that a lot, absolutely, But I did think that with the concerns
51:10
you had about James Cook, and pass protection that they would draft a better
51:14
pass protector. Yeah, as a running back. So I was surprised by
51:19
that part. So I actually had to Ray Davis in my mock, my
51:22
predictive mock, but I had him around six in my mock. So I
51:27
like Ray Davis. I think is exactly what you needed. I think you
51:30
may have overdrafted him, and I'm surprised you didn't get somebody who was a
51:35
better blocker. But I really, I really enjoy them. I'm in similar
51:39
with the pass protection piece, like I just I guess I assumed, yeah,
51:46
there would be more of an yeah, I'll say, like pass protection
51:53
element to whoever they brought in. And what I like about Ray Davis from
51:59
a pass protection stan point, you know, starting with that piece, he
52:01
is willing and I do think he scans well, Like he picks up blitzes.
52:07
He recognizes there's a game against Mississippi State. First time he tries to
52:12
pick up their lineback of fourteen, like he gets railroaded and gets wrecked.
52:15
And then he picks them up two more times after that and adjusts each time.
52:17
It gets better with each rep. So the first rep he loses horribly,
52:21
the second one it's like fifty to fifty maybe fifty five to forty five.
52:23
Davis the third rep. He undercuts, some flips him. It's a
52:25
win for Davis. So he scans well and he reads well and he's willing,
52:30
but the technique isn't always there. And for me, there is some
52:35
encouragement there because the first step is being able to read it, see it,
52:37
process it, and then the willingness to go and act on it,
52:40
which I do, like I am in a similar boat. From a great
52:45
perspective. I gave him a six and a half. I gave him a
52:47
seven on the fit though, just because he can do a little bit of
52:51
everything and tying this for the future, I think he gives you a good
52:55
baseline as the incumbent should you choose not to re sign James Cook in two
53:00
years. And I don't know if that comes as a shock to anyone.
53:02
I know it doesn't come as a shock to you. But James Cook,
53:06
you know, second round pick for your contract. It's already been two years.
53:08
He's got this year and he's got next year. If you choose not
53:10
to re sign James Cook, you've got Ray Davis who has this skill set
53:15
that allows you to go in a multitude of ways. In adding another running
53:19
back, you could add a bigger, more power back to Ray Davis.
53:22
You could add more of a pure scat back. You could add more of
53:23
a pure speedback to Ray Davis. And that's because I really think he does
53:29
almost everything at an above average level. He's very similar and I don't know
53:32
if this is going to be good or bad for anybody. He's similar to
53:36
Devin Singletary, and like I feel like if he's like a mixture or an
53:39
amalgamation of Devin Singletary and Zach Moss when overall frame skill set, how he
53:44
plays all that kind of stuff, I think he's got some real good ability
53:46
to kind of make you missing a phone booth type stuff. His hands and
53:50
his route running are legitimately underrated. His ability to find space and his feel
53:57
for space coming out of the backfield on screens or releasing out on the backfield,
54:00
out of the backfield when he doesn't have anybody to pick up, and
54:02
his ability to just you know, sit over the ball and catch something and
54:07
make guys miss and get yards that are like hidden their yards that are not
54:09
there, and take a two yard gain and make it a five or six
54:13
yard gain. I like that. And despite him, you know, not
54:15
being a burner and running a for his forty in the four or five range
54:20
four or five two, he breaks off some long runs a seventy five yard
54:22
touchdown against Florida. He can function in gap, he can function in zone.
54:27
Again, I think he does a little bit of everything and does almost
54:31
everything at an above average level, which is solid as your one B or
54:35
solid as your RB two or just solid in the rotation with James Cook and
54:39
Ty Johnson. And again I like how that skill set plays. Should you
54:45
choose not to sign James Cook, which again I'm in a similar boat like,
54:47
don't give running back second contracts, But should you choose not to sign
54:52
James Cook, Ray Davis gives you this nice, solid baseline where you can
54:55
go in a multitude of directions to complete your running back room and kind of
55:00
go forward. I don't have him getting a second contract. I'm guessing you
55:02
do not as well. I do not, Okay, anything else on Ray
55:06
Davis before I move on. All right, the law firm of Cedric I
55:10
messed it up because I was switching the graphic. Yeah, Cedric Van Prayan
55:15
Granger at pick one center out of Georgia for the Buffalo Bills. Great on
55:21
the player, thoughts, questions, comments, concerns, everything. What do
55:23
you got? First off, I'm gonna make VPG happen. Okay, So
55:27
I like it because it's too many. It's too many from here on name,
55:30
We're going VPG okay with him. So I really like the pick.
55:34
I have it at grade A seven. Oh okay, So I was a
55:37
fan, right. I know that the pre draft process wasn't as kind to
55:40
him as potentially it should have been. But the tape is good, and
55:45
like I mentioned at the top of this, this is an on brand pick
55:50
for me. The on brand pick is that he reminds me a little bit
55:52
of much more. Now. I'm not gonna say that he's that level of
55:55
player, right, but from a stylistic standpoint, I think he does well
56:00
to pull hit moving targets. I think he stays attached. I think that
56:04
this if you wanted somebody who can be a center that is gonna consistently fight
56:10
for leverage. He's going to be mobile enough to allow you to run pinpole
56:15
and do the things you need to do without having to take a lot of
56:17
that stuff. Off the table, because if you think about it, Mitch
56:22
Morse was a key piece to the fact that you could run pinpole right,
56:27
and you're replacing him now, and you're replacing him with an athlete who's good
56:31
enough to do that. Let's not do this thing where we just assume athletes
56:37
like Mitch Morse grow on trees because they don't. So this idea that you
56:45
could just plug in any center and pull that off. I don't know if
56:47
you've seen what it looks like when your center misses a moving target on a
56:51
run play. You haven't seen it for a while because Mitch Morse was so
56:54
good at it, but it looks super ugly, Like you watch it on
57:00
ALL twenty two and you, Lily, I mean, it is one of
57:01
the cringiest things to watch back the week of the game. You go,
57:07
yikes, because here's what we always think, What could that run have been
57:12
if that center would have connected? Yeah, right, if that poler would
57:15
have connected to a moving target. And I understand, you have to understand,
57:20
this is a three hundred pound man who's usually six foot four. He's
57:22
pulling out and trying to connect at a weird angle with a safety who's usually
57:28
six' one, two hundred and five pounds coming downhill, who moves a
57:31
lot faster than him. It's really hard, guys like, it's superty duper
57:38
hard. So for me, when I look at center, I think to
57:44
myself, gosh, yes, kind of spoiled. I mean, you went
57:47
from Mitch Morse to Connor McGovern, who can totally do that. By the
57:51
way, Connor McGovern is that level of athlete, and then you go and
57:54
draft VPG, who's exactly that type of athlete. This is so on brand
58:00
for the Buffalo Bills, and I was a fan. I like it.
58:02
I do understand the path. The playing time is weird because now everybody's immediately
58:07
saying, well, is Connor McGovern gonna slot? I don't think so.
58:12
I don't think Connor McGovern is gonna just suddenly just go back to left guard.
58:16
After everything that they talked about about this being the succession plan for Mitch
58:21
Morse, I don't think they were just making it all up. So the
58:24
other thing about him is you kind of wonder if he's a center only player
58:28
now the Buffalo Bills Aaron Kromer clearly believes he can play guard because the arms
58:32
are very short. Yeah, so this is not an Eric Wood thing where
58:37
you draft your future center and then you put him at guard and say we'll
58:39
just kind of bide your time right until Handgardener Jeff Hangardner is done. Oh
58:45
god, right, that's not the way this works. I personally think he's
58:47
the center only. So his arm length at thirty one and three eighths inches,
58:52
which is the fifth percentile, just so you know that lower's bad there
58:57
in case you're listening in five is bad. He's like the Roger McCreary of
59:01
Oh my gosh, that's excellent. So there's some significant Trannosaurus Rex vibes.
59:07
Yeah, no question right. So for me, that's the weird part for
59:12
me. So if I was doing it two grades the way you're doing it.
59:15
The fit for the bills right now, because I don't think he's gonna
59:17
start, is kind of weird because you don't really want a backup center who's
59:21
the center only. But from a brand standpoint, this just tracks for me,
59:25
and I like his tape. It's a seven. I had a six
59:30
point seven to five on him as a player, so I'm in the same
59:31
wheelhouse and then the same thing on the fit. The only thing I questioned
59:36
is the path to the field and the path for playing time, because,
59:38
like you said, like overall who he is like the NFL size and play
59:43
strength. He's built well, really good grip strength which allows him to latch
59:45
on and torque or turn or seal dudes, whether it's defensive lineman, whether
59:50
it's linebackers, good hand placement, leader, multi time captain, And again
59:55
we continue to see this theme, like he seems like he checks a lot
59:58
of the culture or care boxes that we know this team likes. Plenty of
1:00:01
experience, you know, playing at a high level in the SEC, starting
1:00:05
several years for Georgia Championships, playoffs, all that kind of stuff, good
1:00:08
awareness and pass protection. I like, I think he can move enough.
1:00:15
It's weird, like I feel like he moves well, but he's also not
1:00:16
the best athlete. And I feel like he does better finishing in space than
1:00:22
he does climbing. I'd like to see him stay attached more climbing to the
1:00:25
second level, but I think some of that is both in space and when
1:00:30
he climbs to the second level, he's always looking to like take dude's heads
1:00:32
off, Like he's trying to finish guys, Like there's times where I feel
1:00:36
like he could put two hands on somebody and drive them, and instead he
1:00:38
just dips a shoulder and he's trying to run through somebody's face and put them
1:00:43
like through the field, which is awesome to see. But I also had
1:00:45
some questions about that with ol Ciren's torrents last year coming out of Florida in
1:00:49
terms of climbing to the second level and staying attached there. And he cleaned
1:00:52
up a good chunk of that through the off season with Chromer, And yeah,
1:00:55
I do I know Chromer or what was a reported that VPG said that
1:01:01
Chromer said he believes he can play guard or that he can play guard,
1:01:07
and I think Bean said they think they he can play Baff okay, and
1:01:09
Bean said that he Bean said that Chromer said that he thought he could play
1:01:14
Baff And I like that, which is nice, like that would make me
1:01:16
feel better. I don't see it because the arm length. But I'm gonna
1:01:20
trust whatever Chromer says, because he knows offensive line to have a lot more
1:01:22
than I do. But just the overall size frame, arm length, movement,
1:01:25
I question it. I love the physicality in terms of his finishing.
1:01:29
He's good at recognizing stunts and games in space, and then he has his
1:01:31
path to the field really interesting, Like if Edwards struggles at left guard and
1:01:37
VPG is doing fine, do you move McGovern back to left guard and then
1:01:40
put VPG at center. If McGovern's struggle in at center a little bit,
1:01:45
do you move him back to left guard and put VPG in. It's a
1:01:47
nice musical chairs option that you could potentially have. I do still think it's
1:01:52
weird that the Bills showed their hands so early with being like, oh yeah,
1:01:55
David Edwards is gonna be the left guard and Connor McGovern's gonna be the
1:01:58
starting center. Like still find some oddity to that, considering how tight lip
1:02:02
they are and kind of showing their hand. But I like the player,
1:02:06
I like the fit. I will never be upset at you know, going
1:02:08
offensive line at any point. I thought he'd go earlier. I had a
1:02:13
third fourth grade on him. I thought he'd go earlier. So him sitting
1:02:15
there in the fifth I thought it was good value to fit the player all
1:02:19
that kind of stuff. Do you think he gets a second contract? Yes,
1:02:22
because I think at some point he's going to be a center Okay,
1:02:25
I have the exact same reason. Anything else before we move on? Nope?
1:02:30
All right. Washington linebacker at afuan Ulafo Shio at pick one sixty Bills
1:02:36
loved their linebackers on day three. What are your thoughts on mister? I
1:02:39
had as a four, so I was not as high on him as some
1:02:45
of the other media and content creators. I think that Ulio is a special
1:02:50
teamer first and foremost. Love the physicality, love the tackle radius. I
1:02:54
think I love the finishing ability. I love the physicality right, a little
1:03:00
bit more of a thumper than I prefer to see in my linebackers. I
1:03:04
think that the the range is a little bit overstated with He's athletic, but
1:03:09
also like not very Yes, he's not nimble or fleet of foot. He's
1:03:15
athletic, but almost like a plotter. Right. So it's one of those
1:03:20
things where if he's moving in a straight line, you're like, Wow,
1:03:22
this guy's an athlete, And if he's forced to deviate from the straight shot
1:03:25
like at all, then all of a sudden, it's it's it's he's he's
1:03:29
The change of direction is clunky. When he breaks down and tries to move,
1:03:31
you don't see fluidity and athleticism. And so for me, I think
1:03:36
that right there is a great callback to the conversation that you and I had
1:03:39
about Keon Coleman. Do not confuse moving quickly in a straight line with athleticism,
1:03:45
because it's not. And if ever there was an example of this,
1:03:49
it's Keon Coleman and Ulfohio. Those are the two opposite ends of the spectrum.
1:03:54
Keon Coleman is a really, really, really good athlete who just happened
1:03:59
to run a slow forty at the combine and then ran a completely acceptable forty
1:04:03
with weight adjustment. It's actually a really good forty at the protect Yeah,
1:04:10
the forty had nothing to do with the reason why I was down on key
1:04:13
On Coleman. Everyone assumes that it's the forty. I did my tape study
1:04:16
on him, like he was my second right up was Keon Coleman, nice,
1:04:20
my second total right up. It was January when I did the right
1:04:25
up. I'm in such a similar boat with him, because like I'll be
1:04:29
like, oh, I have concerns and people are like the forty, and
1:04:30
I'm like, no, the route running, the stem work, the lack
1:04:33
of deception, the refinement that he needs like the footwork, and they're like,
1:04:36
oh, so not the slow forty and I'm like, no, no,
1:04:40
not not not the slow forty. So for me, Oula Fohio is
1:04:43
the opposite end of that spectrum. You see him move in a straight line
1:04:46
and you go, wow, this guy's really, Yes, he's really you
1:04:47
know, miazing and then you see you have to change directions like he'll he'll
1:04:50
misdiagnose something. You have to make himself right, and it's like whoa no
1:04:54
no, no, no, no, no, no no, and that
1:04:56
kind of thing. Everything I just talked to you sounds like a heck of
1:04:59
a special teamer. Running really fast in a straight line and then being physical
1:05:03
and tackling and finishing sounds like a special teamer. So for me, I
1:05:09
wasn't as high on him as some other people in the space. I have
1:05:12
it a four. Okay, fair, I'm in a similar game like I
1:05:15
was torn with the whole because again, like five is average. I gave
1:05:19
him a five, but I and I gave I gave him a five on
1:05:25
the player and a five on the fit really just because I think he can
1:05:28
be a solid special team guy and they have to start to replenish that pipeline.
1:05:31
I don't like the idea of going with that in the fifth round.
1:05:33
But again, fifth rounders making the team being significant contributors. I think we've
1:05:38
been spoiled with Day three guys like Matt Mulano and Taron Johnson and Gabe Davis
1:05:43
and you know, Dan Jackson. Again, I know he's a bit polarizing,
1:05:45
but the fact that you got like a high end CB three, low
1:05:48
ENCB two on Day three and Dan Jackson, like, I think, you
1:05:51
know Day three guys, especially when you're pushing the back end of the fifth
1:05:56
being significant contributors in some form or fashion, you'll take it. I think
1:06:00
he's really like I think his ceiling is maybe like a linebacker for maybe linebacker
1:06:05
three, But I really think he's just a special teamer and a depth linebacker
1:06:09
who like the Tyler Metacabage roll where he's you know, third or fourth on
1:06:13
the depth chart, but you know he's not seeing snaps on defense. He's
1:06:15
a core special teamer. I think that's what he is. I didn't similar
1:06:20
to your point, like, I'm not even gonna go too much into it
1:06:21
yet, like it just for someone who I didn't watch him a ton going
1:06:26
into the process. I watched him more once the Bills drafted him. The
1:06:30
first thing I did was look at his spider charts, saw the athleticism,
1:06:32
saw the profile. I was like wow, and then watched him and was
1:06:34
like oh, and so that was a bit disappointing, Maye because of my
1:06:39
expectations that went in. Do you think he gets a second contract? No,
1:06:43
okay, fair enough, I went fifty to fifty. I put it
1:06:46
depends on how good he is on special teams, because if he develops into
1:06:48
a core guy, then I think he could see a second contract. Moving
1:06:51
on, Troy Edge Javon Solomon at pick one sixty eight eight picks later after
1:06:58
mister Ulafochio from Water Washington, what are your thoughts on, mister Javon Solomon,
1:07:02
And we're gonna close down the individualized discussions with another This is totally off
1:07:09
brand. There absolutely about Brandon bean At basically admitted it was off brand because
1:07:15
he said, you know, hey, we really thought that the three four
1:07:18
teams would kind of think more highly of them. Yeah, so did everybody
1:07:23
else in the world. Like we all thought that everybody thought that most of
1:07:28
us didn't even I hand it God, I did not do any meaningful work
1:07:34
on Javon Solomon before the draft because I immediately said he was a three to
1:07:40
four guy. He and we talked about this pre show. So the Bills
1:07:44
traditionally for their drafted edges look for guys from a height and weight perspective that
1:07:47
are six five two hundred and seventy two pounds. Solomon is almost six'
1:07:53
one. He's six foot seven eighths two hundred and forty six pounds, and
1:07:57
for reference, his heights at six foot seven eight inches for edges is the
1:08:04
is a zero in the percentile column and his weight is eighth in the percentile
1:08:10
column. Very off brand from a size perspective. I have a six point
1:08:15
five one. Okay, I like it. I went back and I watched
1:08:18
Solomon. I was like, this guy's so much fun. But at some
1:08:24
point, I'm just gonna go ahead and admit a bias. Okay, this
1:08:29
work that we do. I did this before I had a podcast. I've
1:08:32
been doing this since like the early nineties. I did it to fifty four.
1:08:35
I did it for fun, like twenty years before I ever had a
1:08:40
podcast. It's just I just like doing it. So I have a bias
1:08:45
toward players who are just fun. Look, if I have a good time
1:08:49
watching you, I'm gonna be biased toward you, because ultimately this is supposed
1:08:54
to be fun. Yes, and you'll watch more and then you'll get the
1:08:57
endorphins, and then it'll be this whole self of prophecy where you'll feel good
1:09:00
about it because you like that one thing, so you'll watch more. It'll
1:09:03
make you feel more good about it. Solomon is just fun to watch.
1:09:08
So I understand that the height is not where it wants to be, but
1:09:12
the length is definitely where it wants to be. And I think that there's
1:09:15
a there's a surprisingly large number of pass rush moves in that repertoire. Yes,
1:09:21
and I think that the length enables that. And so this is a
1:09:25
very different conversation than the Dwayne Carter conversation where I was like, Okay,
1:09:30
you know it's bull rush, bull rush, bull rush, bull rush,
1:09:32
bull rush bors ohlways thin bull rush, bull rush, bull rush. Solomon
1:09:38
has moves right, and I know that with that size. What am I
1:09:41
going to say? He can get swallowed up by by physical, physical tackles
1:09:45
and once they once they latch him, he's not He's not unlatching, yes,
1:09:49
like, and you would think the length would allow him to do that.
1:09:55
But this is where the height actually does matter. Right. The height
1:09:59
matters from a average standpoint, the heype matters from a vision standpoint. It's
1:10:03
not just latching, it's not just getting on latched, it's knowing where to
1:10:06
unlatch, like which direction am I going? And so I know that we
1:10:11
have this conversation that we don't care about height because we only care about height
1:10:15
as it relates to length when it comes to linemen. Right, And that's
1:10:18
a conversation that happens a lot pre draft. I don't care about height.
1:10:21
I only care about hype because it correlates with length. Right, I want
1:10:26
long arms, and taller people have a tendency to have longer arms, right,
1:10:29
And hip elevation is not something I worry too much unless you get a
1:10:31
tackle who's quoe unquote too tall and you're six eight or six' nine,
1:10:34
then I worry about and think it's the whole thing. Right, Yes,
1:10:38
but this is where hepe matters because I do feel like if he was taller,
1:10:43
he would have a detachment plan more often. If he had a detachment
1:10:45
plan more often, I think you'd be able to decatch a little bit better.
1:10:47
But I think that it's really about this type of player with this type
1:10:54
of production, And there is an arc type in the NFL for this type
1:10:59
of player. Elvis Reville, James Houston, like, there is an archetype
1:11:02
for this type of player. And so you take a player like this,
1:11:06
this late in the draft where it's you know, round five pick what was
1:11:12
one sixty eight or something like that. Yep, one sixty eight. I'm
1:11:15
good with that. I'm good with that. It's so weird to see him
1:11:20
so again, zero in the percent out for height, eighth for weight,
1:11:25
but fifty first for wingspan, sixty third for arm length, and then ninety
1:11:29
sixth for hand size, and then some of the explosion metrics eighty six in
1:11:32
the vertical jump or eighty six percentile in the vertical jump, sixty seven percentile
1:11:36
on the broad jump. And then yet, like you said, like you
1:11:40
watch the tape and you know the production that he has, you know,
1:11:44
leading leading the NCAA in sacks last year. He also is the UH career
1:11:49
leader in sacks at Troy. And this is a school that produced DeMarcus Ware
1:11:54
and OCU and eura. So the production, the length, he's got some
1:11:58
bend, the hand usage, but it's the moves and the plan that go
1:12:01
along with the burst and his effort and his motor. And I also think
1:12:05
what's nice is Troy used him as a four eye, which is wild considering
1:12:10
his size. For those who don't know what a four eye is, that
1:12:12
means you're lining up on the inside shoulder of a tackle, which is putting
1:12:15
him in a disadvantage given his size overall and frame and cahn. You watch
1:12:19
him on the edge and again he's using the cross chop, he's dipping,
1:12:23
he's bending, he's using a long arm. Then he's using the long arm
1:12:27
and lifting the outside arm of the tackle and pulling himself through Like you see
1:12:31
the hand uses the plant. He doesn't stick to one move like he pokes
1:12:35
and prods and and tests the cage a little bit and then builds on things
1:12:40
and goes from there. And he's able to do that because he understands how
1:12:44
to rush the quarterback, but also has the moves and the athleticism and the
1:12:47
length to be able to execute them. And again, to echo your point,
1:12:51
smaller, his smaller size will put him at a disadvantage I think overall
1:12:55
versus the run and or versus bigger power based tackles. But watching him be
1:12:59
able to to have multiple moves again plan as well and transition those moves,
1:13:03
chain those moves together. I also think, and I said this on Saturday,
1:13:06
this is a huge compliment for me. He has some velociraptor to his
1:13:11
game because of how attack minded he is, the juice that he plays with,
1:13:14
the relentless nature that he has. I gave him a five point seventy
1:13:18
five just because I think some of the pieces are an outlier. But I
1:13:21
gave him a six point five as a fit because Greg Russo, I think
1:13:27
is an edge one from a run defense standpoint. I think he's still developing
1:13:30
his plan and his move set as a as a rusher. We don't know
1:13:32
what von Miller is like. We talked about Ajpanessa overall has been like an
1:13:35
edge three. Can he be a two? I like the idea of them
1:13:40
having, you know, just not a closer, but someone had kind of
1:13:43
come out of the bullpen that is a specialist. And even if he is
1:13:45
just a pass rush specialist, they need that juice, they need that plan
1:13:49
in this edge room because maybe Epanessa takes a step forward, and he has.
1:13:53
Each year he's made incremental improvements. But casey two Hill Kingsley Jonathan like,
1:13:59
who's your edge four? Or what does that look like? Consistently and
1:14:01
just again the archetype that he is, the departure from the norm at edge
1:14:06
that they've looked for, aside from von Miller, I think is really intriguing.
1:14:10
And yeah, just again it's the production tied with how he won.
1:14:15
And you saw that type of versatility again in his moves and his plan the
1:14:20
hand usage to go along with the speed and the burst and all that kind
1:14:26
of stuff, And I think it just makes it makes him like a really
1:14:30
intriguing guy. And for him for them to get him that late and not
1:14:35
even necessarily where they got him. But yeah, I just didn't think he
1:14:39
was on the board because of how much of an outlier he was versus what
1:14:42
they've gone with. But lo and behold, here he is. Do you
1:14:45
think he gets the second contract with the Buffalo Bills? Wow? Right,
1:14:49
har this one's my most difficult one. I'm gonna get super ballsy and I'm
1:14:55
gonna say yes. Oh, I said yes too. I'm gonna get super
1:14:58
ballsy and say yes. And I know that's very very very uncommon. If
1:15:00
you look at the you know, mid to late day three pass rushers who
1:15:04
have gotten second contracts with their team, it is the number is small,
1:15:09
it is very very small. But I don't know, man Like, there's
1:15:14
just something about this guy. I don't know. Maybe I'm letting my fun
1:15:17
bias me. Real quick, I said, I said yes, and even
1:15:20
though he is twenty three, I just I also don't know what the long
1:15:23
term option for them at edge looks like, like you have Greg Grussou and
1:15:26
then you literally don't know what else you have after two years from now,
1:15:30
So why not You're right? Real quick? Anthony mentioned four I okay,
1:15:36
if you're on the offensive side the ball, you're playing Madden, okay,
1:15:40
the two hole is between the center and the guard. The four hole is
1:15:45
between the guard and the tackle, so that's where four comes from. And
1:15:47
then I is the inside, so you're the inside of the offense's four hole.
1:15:54
That's where four eye comes from. So just in case you're wondering how
1:15:57
to do that in your head, that's that's the way you do it.
1:15:58
You do it from an offensive perspective. Not from a def If you do
1:16:00
from a defensive perspective, it gets weird because you're used to right being even
1:16:04
and left being odd. So just I do that all the time, depending
1:16:09
on like the vantage point from film and like if it's if it's behind the
1:16:13
defense the camera and I have to be like, oh, he's on like
1:16:15
the stage left, yes, exactly, because people would be like, I
1:16:17
thought you said he was versus the left tackle. I'm like, no,
1:16:19
the left tackle from the offense's vantage point, which is the right from this
1:16:23
view of the camera, Yeah, gets so messy. Anything else on Javon
1:16:25
Solomon before you bring us home? All right? Moving on group the last
1:16:29
three picks together, Tyland Grable offensive tackle from UCF, Daikwon Hardy Nickel,
1:16:33
slot return man from Penn State, and then Travis Clayton rugby player, international
1:16:38
piece. Any thoughts on these three individually as a whole. Did you like
1:16:43
the swings that Brandon Bean and the Bills took on these On these guys,
1:16:45
do you find anything useful from them? Do you think anyone make the team?
1:16:49
What are your thoughts on these three? Before we wrap you up here,
1:16:53
I would like to address the idea that the Bills didn't double dip on
1:16:57
receiver in these three picks. First, that's my I point too. So
1:17:01
number one, I wanted a double dipit receiver. This has been well established.
1:17:08
Number two, this was not the time. Let me explain. So
1:17:13
we're talking about verticality being concerned in this offense, and it is a concern
1:17:16
in this offense. I want to share with you why it matters. It
1:17:19
matters because of the threat of verticality. Okay, it's the threat. It's
1:17:24
the idea that you're safeties all of a sudden, are not you know,
1:17:27
twenty yards off of last scrimmage or eighteen yards off. They're not like,
1:17:30
you know, eleven yards off lastcrimmage because you don't have that vertical aspect of
1:17:32
your offense. That's gonna scare people. If you draft a receiver in the
1:17:36
seventh round who has speed, he's not seeing the field enough snaps to have
1:17:41
that matter. At that point, you're just checking a box saying you got
1:17:45
a fast guy. But that's not why I wanted a double dip I wanted
1:17:48
someone who's actually gonna play snaps because it doesn't matter what traits you have if
1:17:55
you don't get on the field enough that the defense actually has to accommodate for
1:17:59
you there. So I was pounding the table double dip, double double,
1:18:01
double dip, and then after a certain amount of time, you go all
1:18:04
right, well the dream is dead. The dream is dead, and you
1:18:08
move on. So if you say, well, I wanted the Bills to
1:18:11
double, if you wanted them to double dip in the seventh round, what
1:18:13
are the odds right of that guy coming in playing meaningful enough times that the
1:18:17
things that you have as traits are now threats for the defense. It doesn't
1:18:26
matter if you're fast. It matters if you're a fast guy who's consistently on
1:18:30
the field, that's what matters. So this is exactly what you do.
1:18:34
This is exactly what you do at the very end of the draft. You
1:18:38
take gigantic swings on absolute freaks and then you get a part returner. That's
1:18:45
what you do. So I have zero problem with these last three picks as
1:18:48
a group, because this is the exact type of strategy that you want.
1:18:53
You want to people you're gonna stash because they're freakingy freaky, and if you're
1:18:58
gonna succeed, you're gonna be a freak. That's just the way it is.
1:19:00
So get freakity freakity athletes at the very end of the draft. People
1:19:03
who like, I don't know what's football? What's football? I don't know,
1:19:05
but I'm a freak athlete. Let's draft them. That's what you do
1:19:10
and you feel super duper niche holes like kicker or punter or long snapper or
1:19:17
punt returner or things like that. That's what you do at the end of
1:19:20
the draft. So for me, I wanted a double dip, but double
1:19:27
dipping in the sixth round doesn't mean anything to me. I wanted to double
1:19:30
dip in round four. Fair I want to double dip in round three.
1:19:33
That's where I want to double dip. So for me, I'm a yeah,
1:19:39
I wanted to double dip, but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna lose
1:19:43
sleep over not drafting somebody in the sixth that's fair point. And I'm still
1:19:48
in that mindset. There are a couple guys who like, instead of you
1:19:51
know, taking Grable, I like Christian Mahogany, the guard from Boston College
1:19:57
who went after to Detroit. I would have liked that there. I did
1:20:00
like Ryan Flornoy from Southeast Missouri, state wide receiver. You know, some
1:20:03
size, some speed. I like what he did at the Senior Bowl,
1:20:06
but again, how much is he gonna play this year? Kind of taking
1:20:09
more of a flyer. There were some other guys who I liked instead of
1:20:14
who they took here for either each of these plays. But to your point,
1:20:16
you're taking guys in the sixth round, seventh round. I have no
1:20:20
problem, you know, taking an upswing or an up swing, like taking
1:20:24
a swing at guys with traits or tools or athleticism or measurables and seeing what
1:20:29
they can be again for all we know, like Hardy with his return experience
1:20:31
and his ability at that, Like maybe that's the guy maybe, and then
1:20:35
that's a win, right if you can get a good return man, And
1:20:39
like we talked about the last time you were here, man, this return
1:20:43
game this year, especially from a kick return perspective, might be something that
1:20:45
wins and loses teams games with how it's gonna change and what it's gonna mean
1:20:49
and how much it or may not matter. So maybe Hardly find some value
1:20:54
there. Maybe it's Travis Clayton turns into something. I'm not horribly upset at
1:20:58
a team taking some throws there's some swings at the plate late here and kind
1:21:02
of basing things on traits and some athleticism, kind of seeing what you can
1:21:05
do. There were other players that I liked more and would have gone with,
1:21:10
But to your point, I feel like it is kind of splitting hairs
1:21:13
to go and be like, man, No, I can't believe they took
1:21:15
this guy at the back end of the sixth round and taking this other person.
1:21:18
Although for some out there, yeah, Melak Washington was still available at
1:21:21
this point for some of these, so if you really love the Milice Washington,
1:21:25
you potentially missed out and then watching him go to Miami was ready.
1:21:28
It didn't TODs Washington also go to Miami. I think he did live.
1:21:32
I'd like both Washington's and I was. I feel like I'm being lazy because
1:21:38
I have I have the board in front of me, and I feel like,
1:21:40
yes the man, they took both Washington's. Jerks. Bruce, any
1:21:44
final thoughts before you bid us a do well? You know the Miami Dolphins
1:21:48
are big students of history. They wanted two terms of Washington American history,
1:21:54
Mike McDaniel's big American history guy. No, I'm good man, I got
1:21:59
everything. I got everything out of my system. How about you? It
1:22:01
was super good. Yeah, No, I enjoyed our conversation thoroughly. I
1:22:05
started some stuff that I'm going to run through. I answer some questions,
1:22:10
answers, Oh maybe I shouldn't because I'm falling apart and throning my speech.
1:22:14
Answer some questions for the live chat once you bid us ADU. But Bruce,
1:22:17
the floor is yours. Tell anybody and everybody what you do where they
1:22:20
can find you whatever. I'm sure everybody knows who you are and what you
1:22:24
do at this point, but just in case they don't, the floor is
1:22:26
yours. I appreciate the hell. Aia, tell everybody whatever you want to
1:22:28
tell. I do nothing. I'm completely unemployed, like there's no reason for
1:22:31
him. They even have me on here. No, I'm kidding. So
1:22:34
currently, as of ten twenty six pm Eastern Time on April thirtieth, I
1:22:42
am a writer for Buffalo Rumblings and do not currently have an active podcast,
1:22:46
but you know, we'll see, we'll see. You can find me on
1:22:50
social media at brus Exclusive. I appreciate the hell idiot. We came so
1:22:55
close to be a better with time this time, and I think We did
1:22:57
approve a little bit because we started a little bit late because we were,
1:23:00
you know, talking offline, but I appreciate you taking the time. As
1:23:02
always, back to back episode you crushed each one. I know the chat
1:23:05
loved your appearance here Again. I'm sure I'll see you on the twitters and
1:23:10
or the podcasting space. Enjoy the rest of your Tuesday and the rest of
1:23:13
your week. You are one of the best. I appreciate the hell out
1:23:15
of you. Godspeed, have fun, but not too much. I like
1:23:18
it later. Bruce. Yeah, mister Bruce Nolan on Twitter at Bruce Exclusive.
1:23:25
Genuinely one of my favorite guests on this show. And I don't say
1:23:30
that just to say it. I say it because it's true. I'm gonna
1:23:32
throw up a banner that says what we're about to do now, which is
1:23:38
questions from I gotta type it out, so I've got to do it from
1:23:42
the definite high spelled live from the live chat. Boom saved it. Throw
1:23:46
it up, Boom, There we go. I started a question earlier that
1:23:49
I wanted to get back to. And also for those of you plany at
1:23:51
home questions, thoughts, comments, concerns, anything and everything you got throw
1:23:55
it up into the chat. Well, you know, I love to make
1:23:57
the show as interactive as possible. I wanted to get Bruce out at somewhat
1:24:00
of a good time, So I didn't want to deviate too much from the
1:24:02
plan because Bruce and I, honestly, if not for kind of gauging the
1:24:08
time and streamlining things, we probably could go like any easy, like two
1:24:10
and a half three hours. But I'm going to circle back to some questions,
1:24:13
so I start some things. But anything else that you folks got,
1:24:15
if you ask something earlier that we didn't answer, put it into the chat
1:24:18
now. If you got something now, whatever questions, thoughts, commons,
1:24:20
concerns, throwed up into the chat. Wanted to pull this up from Justin
1:24:25
super Chat from earlier. Appreciate the helitia of Justin for you've been going with
1:24:29
super Chat crazy the past couple of weeks. Appreciate the healia for that,
1:24:32
for being here and for the super Chat. And Justin says, great work.
1:24:34
And and by cover one in the little clappamologeni, he says makes me
1:24:39
laugh that Coleman ran a four point sixty one and people call him slow.
1:24:42
Looked it up and Brandon, I you ran a four to five Deeple ran
1:24:44
a four to four to eight. Get a stop watch and realize how close
1:24:46
one tenth is. I think the conversation with Coleman as well, that isn't
1:24:51
even just speed based or straight line speed based. First of all, like
1:24:58
what Bruce said, the idea and the notion of what he ran it as
1:25:01
prodain, which isn't really getting reported too much, like a significant difference like
1:25:04
him running in the load of mid four or fives in his pro day versus
1:25:09
his combine time is a significant difference. I don't talk about it too much
1:25:13
because I never know how much to trust prodays, Like I don't know is
1:25:15
their field like running downhill and they're trying to give people advantages, Like I'm
1:25:18
always kind of skeptical or wary of that in terms of seeing what people do
1:25:27
there. But also another example of the speed piece for Keon Coleman. So
1:25:31
there's the tweet from next Gen Stats that I tweeted out a couple of days
1:25:34
ago that they put out back on March second at the combine, so it
1:25:39
says, despite registering the slowest top speed of actually no hold on, let
1:25:43
me just can I just pull this up? I was trying to share my
1:25:45
screen earlier and it was being really wonky and wouldn't let me do it.
1:25:49
Well, let me do it now. No, it still won't let me
1:25:54
do it. Now, hold on about now, okay, still how to
1:25:57
make share my screen? This is annoying. Well, I'm going to read
1:25:59
it then. So, despite registering the slowest top speed of any Group eight
1:26:02
receiver that was tracked during the forty yard dash, Keon Coleman showed off his
1:26:08
game speed while running routes. Coleman tied for the second fastest top speed of
1:26:13
his group while running a go route at twenty one point seven one miles per
1:26:16
hour. And then it's got a breakdown to the rest. So his forty
1:26:19
yard dash time was twenty two point one seven miles per hour, ranked fifteenth,
1:26:24
nineteen point four to five miles per hour on a slant that was third,
1:26:28
eighteen point ten on a dagger that was fourth, twenty one point seven
1:26:30
to one on the go route tie for second, and eighteen point four to
1:26:33
seven on a slot strike that was second. So I know the straight line
1:26:39
speed thing the big thing with Coleman. Don't conflate straight line speed into forty
1:26:43
time with athleticism. He is athletic if you watch the tape. He's got
1:26:46
agility, he's got moves, he doesn't return punts and played basketball at Michigan
1:26:50
State. If he is unathletic, yes, he needs refinement in his stems.
1:26:56
He needs refinement in his route tree and his route running to the body
1:27:00
language, the feat, the precision, all of those technical refinement, polished
1:27:04
pieces he needs work on. But he is not slow. He is not
1:27:11
unathletic. He's not a burner, he's not exavier worthy. He's not Brian
1:27:15
Thomas. I don't even think he's ad Mitchell, who is also very fast
1:27:17
vertically. But he's not slow. He's got a different type of game,
1:27:20
a different type of style. We'll see how that fits. But don't get
1:27:25
wrapped up in the forty time with Keyon Coleman again, Like I said with
1:27:28
Bruce, the forty time is secondary to me. I'm more concerned with what
1:27:32
he can do as a route runner and within his stem works, Like that's
1:27:35
been my biggest thing for him the whole time, Like the clunkiness and the
1:27:40
lack of refinement and sharpness to his routes and his stems. Let alone,
1:27:43
the full routree. It's just how he runs routes that is my bigger concern
1:27:47
what I think the bigger concerns should be. So don't get wrapped up all
1:27:51
in that forty time piece. Oh, Carl, thank you very much for
1:27:55
being here. Thank you very much for the super check. Carl says,
1:27:58
the bill's had a lot of holes to fill. How many draft picks start
1:28:00
Coleman, Bishop, Carter Davis and VPG may all get meaningful snaps, He
1:28:06
says, Okay with that exclamation point, I mean that's good. So I
1:28:09
think on Coleman is a quote unquote starter cole Bishop, but I think is
1:28:13
the real interesting one, like does he beat out Mike Edwards or Taylor Rap.
1:28:16
Mike Edwards is on a one year deal, but like I've talked about
1:28:19
in the show before, Taylor Rap is on a three year deal, but
1:28:23
he really hasn't out at the end of next year. Like he's signed a
1:28:26
three year deal, but you realistically could also make it a one year deal
1:28:30
for Taylor Rap. Does Bishop beat out either of those guys? Is he
1:28:32
not a starter? But he's seeing work in sub packages? And how do
1:28:36
you define that? So I'm not gonna call Bishop a starter right now,
1:28:42
I'm gonna say Coleman starts Bishop. I have questions about Carter. I don't
1:28:45
think it's gonna start, but I think he's gonna be the first rotational three
1:28:48
tech behind at Oliver, so he'll see meaningful snaps. Ray Davis Davis is
1:28:53
an interesting one, right, Like who wins that RB two job? Is
1:28:56
it Ty Johnson? Is it Ray Davis? I think Ty Johnson did some
1:29:00
stuff and Ty Johnson also has some kick return ability to his game, which
1:29:02
may swing the pendulum in his favor. But you know, an early ish
1:29:08
day three pick on Ray Davis makes me think the Bills do like him.
1:29:12
Again. I don't think he's gonna start, But is he the two to
1:29:14
Cook or is it Ty Johnson? Or is it a three man rotation like
1:29:16
we saw with Cook, Murray and Johnson. That'll be interesting to watch VPG.
1:29:21
You know, mister Cedric van Pran Granger I think is the most interesting
1:29:25
one, right. I think he has a chance to start at center.
1:29:27
I'm not going to bank on it. I know some people were saying that,
1:29:30
like we're not just in like the Bills Van or community space, but
1:29:33
you know, him being drafted and it was like, Oh, there's your
1:29:35
starter. McGovern's gonna move back to left guard. I don't think that's a
1:29:39
guarantee. It wouldn't shock me if he wins the starting center spot. I
1:29:43
don't think he's as good of a mover in space as Mitch Morse. I
1:29:47
don't want him pulling as much as Mitch Morse, although he does do some
1:29:50
good work, you know on tunnel screens and stuff and getting out in space
1:29:54
and finishing dudes, but he does fit their profile to a degree. I
1:29:58
do have some questions on his ability to like anchor. You know, he
1:30:00
has to do the hop step to anchor from time to time. It's almost
1:30:02
like he doesn't have you know, enough sand in his base type of thing.
1:30:05
But the hands are good, the awareness is good, the football IQ
1:30:09
seems to be there. He takes everything from like a character and a mental
1:30:11
perspective and even some of his play style pieces. You know, if he
1:30:15
comes into camp and lights the world on fire and you kind of can't keep
1:30:17
him off the field. I guess it really comes down to does Chromer think
1:30:21
in McDermott. I guess as well, But does Chromer think he can play
1:30:25
guard? Because if so then it's really it's this weird grouping between Edwards,
1:30:30
McGovern and VPG because it is VPG center only. Does that mean he has
1:30:34
to beat out McGovern? Does that mean if Edward struggles, they move McGovern
1:30:39
back to left guard where we know what we have in him there, and
1:30:41
then you put VPG at center. If you think VPG can be a guard,
1:30:44
is it him versus Edwards? And now you're trying to figure out just
1:30:46
how to get the best five out there on the field. He's a really
1:30:50
interesting one. I also think just in general, not to jinx anything in
1:30:54
a negative way. Offensive line traditionally does not stay healthy. The Bills had
1:30:57
a very odd year from in a good way last year by having the entire
1:31:00
starting five together for the whole year. I wouldn't anticipate that happening again.
1:31:04
So he might see some snaps just due to injury or attrition or stuff like
1:31:09
that as well. That's a very good question. Also had one star from
1:31:13
earlier William saying, what do the picks suggest about adjustments? You see the
1:31:16
Bills making more physical on offense. I tweeted this out yesterday. Yeah,
1:31:20
like they they do have a bit of the basketball lineup now right like it
1:31:26
was guard heavy, but now you've got some more bigs with Coleman and Matt
1:31:30
Collins in factoring Dalton Kincaid into that conversation as well. But they don't really
1:31:34
have overwhelming verticality or speed in the wide receiver room. They don't really have
1:31:40
overwhelming separation in the wide receiver room. And again I'm including Dalton Kinkaid in
1:31:45
this mix. If you're just thinking about wide receiver, it goes even less
1:31:47
a little bit from a separation standpoint, but they have a little bit of
1:31:51
everything now in the wide receiver room. I think they do have that kind
1:31:55
of true basketball lineup presence where you know you've got a point guard and your
1:31:57
shooting guard, small for power forward, center, six men coming off the
1:32:00
bench. You can run the ball. I wonder if this is just going
1:32:03
to be more of a matchup based offense, but leaning into some more of
1:32:08
the power aspect. Maybe again more twelve personnel and condensed sets and run the
1:32:13
football and generally explosives through play action or getting Josh Allen on the move,
1:32:16
you know, moving the pocket and doing some things like that. I wonder
1:32:19
the direction this offense goes in with the selection of a key on Coleman,
1:32:25
because again he's not that true field stretcher. He can get deep. And
1:32:29
again, if you get him deep in one on one situation, just have
1:32:30
him run twenty yards downfield and chuck the ball up and see if he can
1:32:33
moss a dude or dunk on a dude, which is one hundred percent possible.
1:32:38
It's hard way to live that way consistently though, right Like even if
1:32:40
you if your calling card is contested catches, that's a hard situation to win
1:32:45
in consistently in the NFL, Like winning fifty to fifty balls is a hard
1:32:47
thing. It's a reason they're called fifty to fifty balls. So many things
1:32:50
have to work out and you have to be so good at it consistently for
1:32:54
you to kind of earn your keep and have that return on investment. But
1:32:57
yeah, I just think it's a different potential shifting or changing of the guard
1:33:00
given you know, even with Curtis Samuel, who's fast and can run some
1:33:03
routes, he's not necessarily a true separator. He's more of like a not
1:33:08
power guy, but more of like a powerful speed mover in terms of how
1:33:12
you can use him and what he does, and then you have Shakiir who's
1:33:15
more of a think a traditional separator and can work underneath, but it can
1:33:17
also get vertical a little bit kinkaid. Is this separator underneath and in the
1:33:21
intermediate can win vertical depending on what the matchup is. So I think it's
1:33:25
more of this matchup based offense based on multiplicity and variety, where you can
1:33:30
lean into different pieces with personnel alignments and different groupings in certain situations. So
1:33:35
it's I think it's different than more of the traditional spread them out, separate
1:33:41
and win that way like they've been in the past several years. Let me
1:33:45
go back. It's a whole bunch of comments come through pop saying I'm glad
1:33:51
they didn't double different receiver. I would rather have Cole Bishop than either of
1:33:54
the next two receivers pick mal Kai Quarterly or Jermaine Burton. Bills are electric
1:34:00
saying are you glad being made ten picks at ten different positions? Or do
1:34:02
you wish he had traded up in the third for Roman Wilson or in the
1:34:04
fourth for Troy Franklin. Oh good question, hmm. I wasn't too high
1:34:12
on so in this specific example, I wasn't too high on Roman Wilson.
1:34:15
I loved him at the Senior Bowl, went back and watched the tape.
1:34:16
Didn't love him on tape as much as I loved him at the Senior Bowl,
1:34:19
which was disappointing. Troy Franklin, I wouldn't have been okay with taking
1:34:25
him in the fourth. I wouldn't have traded up for him, even though
1:34:27
the speed is nice and that would be a nice thing to add to this
1:34:30
Bill's team into the Bill's room. I'm just not a big fan of Troy
1:34:34
Franklin. The route running, the stem work, the hands, the contested
1:34:38
catching. I didn't love it on tape or even really like it too much.
1:34:43
And I also think a lot of his speed, although it is tremendous
1:34:45
on tape and was tremendous at Oregon. Oregon did a good job of using
1:34:48
college spacing and college hashes to their benefit. And for those who don't know,
1:34:54
college hashes are wider, so if you were on you know, the
1:34:57
left hash, there's much more space to the right side of the field than
1:35:00
there is in the NFL, where the hashes are closer together. And so
1:35:04
he's just got oodles and oodles of space to work with and with that speed
1:35:09
where he's already faster than most of the guys anyway in college, he really
1:35:13
did work with that. So I wasn't too much of a fan of Franklin.
1:35:15
I wouldn't have traded up for either Roman Wilson or Troy Franklin, but
1:35:19
I would have liked to have a double dip. I would have liked to
1:35:23
have another receiver in round three or round four, based on who was still
1:35:28
available and on the board. I just think they needed it for this grouping.
1:35:31
And again, it's not the end of the world that they don't have
1:35:34
it, but you're sitting there now with you know, key On Colman,
1:35:36
Khalil Shakir Curtis, Samuel mccollins, Justin Shorter, Andy Isabella Tyrell, Shavers,
1:35:43
kJ Hamler, Brian Thompson, Quintez Cephis. It's just I would have
1:35:46
liked another upside weapon or another dynamic added to the group. Not the end
1:35:50
of the world, but I would have liked another receiver. I wouldn't have
1:35:55
traded up for Roman Wilson or Troy Franklin in this specific example, though,
1:36:03
Amy saying, Anthony, have you ever seen a five foot nine man hit
1:36:06
a forty two and I have vertical jump before, like Daikwon Hardy did wow
1:36:10
go Bills? Who Malik Mustafa the safety I like from Wake Forest, He's
1:36:15
well, he's not five to nine, but he's like five tennish five eleven.
1:36:17
I think he hit a forty two inch vert Yeah. Some of these
1:36:19
dudes, man, just have bunnies and bungies in their legs and they were
1:36:24
able to just explode out for testing. And it's really really cool to see
1:36:29
Cameron saying, did you also want to double dipper receiver early? If so?
1:36:31
Once Franklin made it to day three, do you wish the Bills grabbed
1:36:33
him with analytics are great? His speed was great, similar one for Troy
1:36:36
Franklin. Yeah. No. I kept calling Troy Franklin a false god throughout
1:36:41
the whole draft process, mainly because people were speaking about him as this complete
1:36:45
receiver and or saying that he was going to go early, or he was
1:36:49
gonna be the guy in day one or day two, or take him at
1:36:53
pick twenty eight, take him at pick sixty. I wouldn't have touched him
1:36:55
until day three. I had a third and a fourth grade on him,
1:36:58
but closer to like a fourth. I just wasn't a fan of Troy Franklin
1:37:01
from the jump. He was one of the first receivers I watched, and
1:37:03
the speed again is legitimately great, even if you were disappointed that he only
1:37:08
ran a four to four one at the combine, But just the speed,
1:37:11
the movement, the body type, the frame, the lack of refinement,
1:37:15
their sharpness or suddenness, and the route, tree stemwork, all that kind
1:37:17
of stuff. I just wasn't a fan of anything really other than the long
1:37:20
speed, which is a nice if you are one trick pony. It's nice
1:37:25
that that one trick pony is an important trick and you're good at it.
1:37:28
I just didn't love his game. So if he was still there at pick
1:37:32
one twenty eight, I think it's fine to consider hi there. I wouldn't
1:37:35
have been upset at the Bills Troy Franklin at picked one twenty eight, but
1:37:39
he wasn't really a guy that I wanted the Bills to take at all.
1:37:45
Going through, sorry, I'm literally just going through and scrolling comments until I
1:37:49
see things Nikki g saying what Nicky says. Unless we're going to three safety
1:37:57
sets, Cole Bishop won't beat out Wrap or Edwards at least at the beginning
1:38:00
of the year. Yeah, that's gonna be a interesting one to see how
1:38:02
much burn does he get this year? Is it situational, is it sub
1:38:05
package base? Is it straight up like does he come out and set camp
1:38:09
on fire? And again with Rap and with Edwards. I'm actually gonna look
1:38:14
up Taylor Raps contract. Now where are we because Mike Edwards is only on
1:38:24
that one year deal? Where is Taylor Raps dead cap? So Taylor Raps
1:38:28
dead cap hit this year is like, say they were to cut him this
1:38:31
offseason, he carries a dead cap of three point six to seven five.
1:38:33
If they cut him next offseason, it's only a dead cap of one point
1:38:36
three to three, which really isn't anything crazy. And then Mike Edwards,
1:38:42
I'm going to look up, so again Rap signed that three year deal but
1:38:45
really could function like a one year pretty easily. And then Mike Edwards signed
1:38:49
a one year, two point eight million dollar contract. If the Bills cut
1:38:54
him this offseason, it would be a dead cap hit of one point six
1:38:57
million, So not ideal to ever incurred dead cap. But if something goes
1:39:00
sideways with either guy or Cold Bishop sets the world on fire. You could
1:39:03
potentially cut either. We'll see though, oh TP's saying, does Handler make
1:39:08
the roster? I don't know. kJ Hamler could make it. Wide receiver's
1:39:11
weird now like there's not a ton again. Vertical speed like Shakira is faster
1:39:15
than he gets credit for, but not necessarily a vertical stretch guy. Curtis
1:39:17
Samuel has a grade forty. I don't think he plays as like a vertical
1:39:21
stretch guy more than he does like the speed in the underneath, an intermediate
1:39:26
and kind of like catch a drag and take it to the house type of
1:39:28
guy. So kJ Hammler is straight up straight line speed, verticality, stretch
1:39:31
the field, split safeties on a post. He could potentially win a starting
1:39:35
spot because of his skill set and the dynamic that he adds to the room.
1:39:39
Not being regularly present across the group, oh Walter says, an,
1:39:46
do you know what percentage approximately deebo has split lining up on the slot versus
1:39:49
the outside. Also, assuming we get Debo, my first thought is that
1:39:55
he mostly overlaps Shakir Samuel and not so much outside, so I can look
1:39:59
that up pretty regularly. Give me a second Diebo Samuel, Deebo Samuel.
1:40:05
So his for his career Deebo Samuel, twenty nine point two percent of his
1:40:16
snaps have come in the slot. And actually, let me make sure I'm
1:40:24
refreshing the page. Yeah, twenty nine point two percent of his career snaps
1:40:27
have come in the slot. Sixty four point eight percent of his snaps have
1:40:30
come out wide, So I think he used a lot more outside and on
1:40:33
the boundary than potentially. People think his skill set is interesting though, like
1:40:39
I do think there is some redundancy and overlap with Shakir and Samuel, but
1:40:43
who he is once the ball gets in his hands. I truly think he's
1:40:45
such a dynamic weapon versus Shakira and Samuel that even if there is some overlap
1:40:50
there, I don't care. Like the dynamic is awesome. My bigger concern.
1:40:54
My bigger concern with Deebo one, I don't think they can fit him
1:40:57
monetarily, Like you have to do so many financial gymnastic to make that happen.
1:41:00
But my first thought if they got Deebo would be I hope all the
1:41:03
soft tissue injuries are behind him, because he gets banged up a ton as
1:41:06
a person who has had multiple, you know, seasons of Deebo Samuel fantasy
1:41:12
football stock and who grinds NFL tape and watches as much football as I can.
1:41:16
Yeah, he just picks up too many injuries for me to fully want
1:41:19
to commit financially to that basket given the need on this team. But as
1:41:24
far as the overlap, I think there may be is some and potential redundancy,
1:41:27
but he's so awesome, I don't care. Pop says, how important
1:41:33
is it to have a true field stretcher. I do think it's important.
1:41:35
You know, even if you're not a team that throws the ball vertically,
1:41:40
you need to have somebody with the presence to take the top off the defense
1:41:43
to make space for your guys underneath, and even to like in this instance,
1:41:46
if Dalton can K is your one. He's so good working in the
1:41:49
underneath and the intermediate areas, you want to give him as much space as
1:41:54
possible. So one of the ways to give him space is take the top
1:41:56
off the defense, and that way he has more room to work in that
1:42:00
intermediate era. Not to mention having a field stretcher who can not only stretch
1:42:03
the field but actually threaten downfield and catch passes downfield and win downfield, which
1:42:09
is part of the reason why I wanted Xavier Worthy one. He can take
1:42:11
the top off the defense and stretch coverages on the back end and make space
1:42:15
for Dalton Kakaid. But he can also win vertically, get behind defenses and
1:42:19
also track the ball and make plays downfield. So it's not the end all
1:42:24
be all, but it is important schematically in terms of making things easier on
1:42:28
you and just having another button to push. You want as many buttons to
1:42:30
push on offense as possible. In an ideal world, you can run the
1:42:34
ball. You can run the ball for power, you can run the ball
1:42:36
for speed. You can run zone, you can run gap, you can
1:42:40
run downhill, you can run horizontal. You can run a multitude of things
1:42:43
running the ball. And then in an ideal world, you can run the
1:42:45
ball like that and also pass the ball anyway you want. You can go
1:42:48
play action and hit vertical shots. You can run screens and throw stuff around
1:42:53
the line of scrimmage. You can go rpo. You can you know,
1:42:56
win with schematic concepts that are scheme for individual guys. You can in ways
1:43:00
where your quarterbacks just reading the defense. You can win on all three levels.
1:43:02
You can push the ball vertical, you can hit chunk plays, you
1:43:04
can you know, carve teams up and matriculate the ball down the field.
1:43:09
So you want as many You want to be able to push as many buttons
1:43:12
and pull as many levers as possible. Having a field stretcher and or multiple
1:43:16
field stretchers gives you another option. Roy says, what did the tree give
1:43:27
the draft? I didn't ask me. If the tree has been very temperamental,
1:43:30
the tree is still decked out in you know, celebration garb for the
1:43:34
NFL draft, But I did not ask the tree. The tree has been
1:43:36
keeping stuff on lock just because of you know, how important this time of
1:43:41
year is. But I'll ask them for next week. As TP says,
1:43:44
yeah, I was personally insulted by Franklin's whip routes. Everything that Troy Franklin
1:43:47
runs is on the vertical plane vertical stem, I should say, so goes
1:43:50
posts, some slams, but really just stops, hitches, little things like
1:43:54
that. Anything that he had to run that took more like horizontal movement or
1:43:58
pacing or lower body flo action or footwork. It just wasn't clean and the
1:44:01
whip Brow's the basic when you fake like you're going to slant, you put
1:44:03
your feet in the ground, pop back outside. It was clunky. It
1:44:06
was it. Clunky is the best way to describe it. It was clunky
1:44:10
and just inefficient. And he did it like that all the time, and
1:44:12
it was black. Charles says, Aunt, you think Keon eventually ends up
1:44:16
in the slot? Hmmm? I could see actually before I do that,
1:44:21
Khu says thumbs up. People, Yes, please and thank you. If
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you have not already dropped alike on this video, I say it all the
1:44:28
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1:44:46
Charles says, Aunt, again, do you think Keon eventually ends up
1:44:49
in the slot? I don't. I never viewed him as the power slot.
1:44:55
I know, Bruce, did I understand it. I think you can
1:44:57
move him around. I think because of his athletics and with his size and
1:45:00
frame and his skill set and the traits, I think you can move them
1:45:03
around. Now. I don't necessarily see him as a Z, but I
1:45:05
do see him as I saw him more as an ex who can be moved
1:45:10
into the slot, who can be a power slot option. But I think
1:45:13
you're looking at him as an X. I think he could end up in
1:45:15
the slotter just from a usage perspective, or like an alignment or schematic piece.
1:45:19
But I do think regularly he will live on the outside. But you
1:45:23
can also get creative and maybe moved out in Kincaid as the X. And
1:45:26
then you put Keon Coleman in the slot. And again I know it's not
1:45:30
the sexy piece or something everybody wants to hang their hat on. For a
1:45:33
wide receiver. Ke On Coleman is a really good blocker, really physical,
1:45:36
like he puts dudes in the dirt. I put a little montage together of
1:45:40
some clips of him just getting into corners and linebackers and safeties and putting him
1:45:43
in the ground. So I don't hate the idea of him being in the
1:45:46
slot and cracking on edges or cracking on linebackers and safeties. But I do
1:45:51
think predominantly he is going to be on the outside because that's what they need,
1:45:54
and that's where you want your ball winner, unless you put him in
1:45:56
the slot and run some slot fades and stuff, which could happen. So
1:45:59
I do think you'll some alignment, use alignment, versatility, and some differences,
1:46:02
but I do think primarily he's gonna be on the outside. Oh,
1:46:06
would you have taken Brandon Rice in the seventh by all draft experts, he
1:46:10
was a great value there. I absolutely would have. I still don't get
1:46:15
why he went that late. I didn't love Brendan Rice, but I thought
1:46:17
he would go in round four, round five at the latest. So him
1:46:20
sitting there at round seven, yeah, I absolutely would have taken Brendan Rice,
1:46:24
even though the skill set wasn't necessarily needed on this team. Again,
1:46:27
I don't mind taking the high swing upside, you know Grable or Clayton or
1:46:31
you know, if Hardy is going to be a return guy or even add
1:46:34
some juice as a nickel, even though he is really undersized and it limits
1:46:38
him Again, I don't hate those picks, but yeah, I would have
1:46:41
taken Brendan Rice. Appreciate you Walter. What else? What else? See
1:46:50
in a lot of things? Oh, Lo says I guess my question wasn't
1:46:54
a good one. No, I didn't see it. Where's your question?
1:46:57
I just there's so many comments in a good way, I mean things.
1:47:00
What was your question? Lo? I feel bad. I don't know what
1:47:02
the question is. Oh, I think I found it was this one.
1:47:06
It was said that Brady's scheme doesn't scheme wide receivers open. Is this true
1:47:10
or is this false? Lo? I'm guessing this is what your question was
1:47:15
based on. It was the most recent thing. Do your comment, and
1:47:18
so I'm gonna go with this. No, I don't think this is true.
1:47:23
It also depends on what you like, who's saying in and what you
1:47:27
view as scheming someone open. Like scheming someone open could be as simple as
1:47:30
you know, running pick plays to get a guy open and trying to take
1:47:33
ad advantage of a team not banjoing, or you know, running tunnel screens
1:47:36
or bubble screens to a guy or something like that. I do think he
1:47:43
schemes guys open. I think there is more of a purposeful or more deliberate
1:47:48
design to his plays more than Dorsey. Dorsey was more hey read this out,
1:47:53
go execute. I think there's more schematic design to Brady stuff. I
1:47:59
mean, just look at the run right, like what he did to get
1:48:01
Ty Johnson the ball like in those kind of the front side nakeds on the
1:48:04
touchdown against the Jets, or the stuff that James Cook coming out of the
1:48:08
backfield. I do think he schemes, Oh, schemes wide receivers open.
1:48:12
Ironically, I didn't read that part. I guess more running backs. I
1:48:15
think he does more than Dorsey. I'm not gonna say that's his I think
1:48:18
he schemes running backs open more than he does wide receivers. And that goes
1:48:21
back to his time at LSU, Like it's the reason Clyde Edwards Hilaire was
1:48:25
the first round pick because everything he did to kind of scheme him open.
1:48:29
So I don't think it's true. I do think he schemes wide receivers open.
1:48:32
I think he schemes running backs open more than wide receivers. Where Joe
1:48:41
says, in your eyes, what is the best way to offset the lack
1:48:43
of a true Burner. Given the current wide receiver group, you gotta be
1:48:46
able to threaten vertical in a different way. So for me, given the
1:48:51
presidence of key On Coleman, Dawson Knox, Dalton KK, Curtis, Samuel
1:48:55
khalioshak here and then the run game, like I to offset the lack of
1:48:59
a true is I, I'm going to look into how to threaten defenses and
1:49:06
make them get out of too high alignments or make them getting get out of
1:49:10
a way, make them play in ways that are uncomfortable. So if teams
1:49:14
want to play too high on you and they don't want to let you get
1:49:16
vertical, right, I'm gonna go power and I'm gonna run the hell out
1:49:19
of the football and I'm gonna make them have to walk a safety down,
1:49:23
and then I'm gonna start to go play action. And then I'm gonna take
1:49:26
advantage of the matchups, and I'm gonna take advantage of Dalton Kincaid, and
1:49:29
I'm gonna I'm gonna show up in a traditional like twelve personnel alignment with that
1:49:33
safety walk down, and then I'm gonna have Josh Allen say something and I'm
1:49:38
gonna explode the formation. And now all of a sudden, Okay, who's
1:49:41
matching up on Kincaid, who's matching up on knocks? Okay, maybe I'm
1:49:43
putting Kinkaid out at X even though I had them attached to the formation at
1:49:45
first, And I'm using shifts and I'm using motions and I'm doing different things.
1:49:49
If you don't have a true burner, then you have to find ways
1:49:54
to still get the ball downfield or just carve teams up and move the ball
1:49:59
in the unerneath in the intermediate. You can do that with the run,
1:50:01
and you can still do it in the passing game, or you can create
1:50:04
more one on one matchups on the outside and then push the ball vertically that
1:50:09
way. So, if you don't have a burner that can take the top
1:50:12
off the defense, do you have a guy who can win a one on
1:50:15
one matchup against a corner if a team is in single high coverage. And
1:50:17
that's what Kean Coleman can be. Right, Like Keon Coleman isn't taking the
1:50:20
top off the defense. But if a team goes cover one or goes Cover
1:50:25
three and he's one on one with a corner on that side, you can
1:50:29
chuck the ball up thirty thirty five yards downfield and he's not you know,
1:50:31
running past the guy and catching it wide open. But it's a jump ball
1:50:35
situation thirty or thirty five yards downfield and he wins that. So you just
1:50:39
have to find a different way to generate chunk plays. You could do it
1:50:42
on the ground, You can do it in the passing game underneath and in
1:50:45
the intermediate, or you still could push the ball downfield vertically if you can
1:50:48
get the defense into an alignment or coverage that you think you know works to
1:50:51
your advantage. And again, even even if they're in two high looks,
1:50:55
cool, can you push the middle of the field. Maybe you don't have
1:50:58
those guys on the outside there to the burner, so you can hit the
1:51:00
ball in the honey hole and chuck the ball down field. But you can
1:51:04
put Dalton Kincaid on a route and have him running between those two safeties and
1:51:08
if they're running Tampa two, he gets past that pole, run linebacker in
1:51:12
the middle and you can drop it over the middle or push the ball in
1:51:15
between those two safeties. So there's ways around it, but a lot of
1:51:18
it is just if teams are going to put the cap on your defense,
1:51:25
that's fine. You know they have more guys back to prevent explosives that way.
1:51:29
Can you generate explosives underneath? So if they're gonna play two high coverages?
1:51:31
Cool? Can you generate seven to eight yards on the ground. Can
1:51:34
you get the ball into someone's hands at five yards and have him turn that
1:51:39
five yards into fifteen yards because there's more because there's less bodies in the underneath
1:51:43
and the intermediate, so things like that. So you just have to get
1:51:45
creative, like you can still push the ball down field in more one on
1:51:48
one situations instead of pulling the top off the defense, or you just go
1:51:51
out them underneath in the intermediate and make them have to respect that and come
1:51:55
forward and then go play action hit them over the top, or just create
1:51:59
mismatches like that. What else? What else? Man, there's a lot
1:52:08
of comments. I went to the Star, I had a bunch of stuff
1:52:10
starred and then it said how many comments run the live when I came back,
1:52:13
and man, there's a lot. Yeah. What El Steve says was
1:52:23
Samuel Lot a vertical threat because of the QBS and teams he played with the
1:52:26
four three one speed is fast. Yeah, I just don't think he plays
1:52:29
like four to three one, and that might be just me. Like he
1:52:32
he doesn't look like a guy like when you put him on the line that
1:52:35
he's just gonna blaze by somebody. Like he looks fast when he's got the
1:52:39
ball in his hands, and like you give him the ball on a drag
1:52:41
and he takes off and get the sideline. But he's just not like a
1:52:44
traditional straight line burner, even though he does have that time forty. I'm
1:52:46
not saying he's slow and four to three to one is fast. I just
1:52:49
don't think he plays like a four to three one guy like I don't think
1:52:54
he I don't think he like so for example, Brian Thomas Junior from LSU,
1:52:58
he ran like a four to three three or a fourth three four forty.
1:53:01
He looks like it like Curtis Samuel's forty time is faster than Brian Thomas's.
1:53:08
Brian Thomas looks ten times faster than Curtis Samuel to me, from an
1:53:11
acceleration standpoint, when the ball is in the air and just running vertical now,
1:53:14
he doesn't have the shiftiness and the athleticism with the ball in his hands
1:53:16
or yard after catchability in terms of movement and agility that Samuel has, but
1:53:20
he plays much faster, even though their forties are basically in the same range.
1:53:26
Niggy says, I'm terrified we'll see Cover one or zero because we don't
1:53:29
have the threat to beat them over the top. Same issues we've had since
1:53:31
John Brown. Yeah, but if teams are playing Cover one or Cover zero,
1:53:35
now you have to look at it a couple things. First, it
1:53:38
starts with Kinkaid and honestly with Kean Coleman. Two, does the defense have
1:53:42
a corner or anybody in general that can go one on one with Dalton Kincaid
1:53:45
or Keon Coleman. And if it's with Kinkaid, do you do you have
1:53:48
a corner that's physical enough or long enough or big enough to match him with
1:53:54
a size and frame. And if you do, is he quick enough and
1:53:57
athletic enough, with good enough feet and coverage skills to stick with Kincaid one
1:54:00
on one? Because Kinkaid can cook dudes in a one on one scenario.
1:54:03
And then it's the opposite. You have somebody with the coverage shops and the
1:54:06
feet and the agility and the speed, but they don't have the size to
1:54:10
stay with him. From a size and frame, and then I think Coleman
1:54:12
is a similar piece too, right if it's Cover one or Cover zero,
1:54:15
especially if it's Cover zero, if you've got key on Coleman on the outside,
1:54:19
Yeah, maybe he's not separating and making moves in the stem that are
1:54:23
wide open. But maybe you just telling me, oh, bro, like,
1:54:26
just just go deep. I'm just throwing it up, make a play
1:54:29
like. You might not beat them over the top traditionally in terms of somebody,
1:54:33
you know, shake somebody at the line with their release and gets upfield
1:54:36
and they catch it in house it for sixty yards. But you might get
1:54:39
a one on one shot where you're throwing a jump ball, or you're able
1:54:42
to beat them with Kincaid separating or even shakir, or you can scheme some
1:54:45
guys open, take advantage of that man coverage situation, run some picks,
1:54:49
get some guys caught in some traffic and all that crap. That's a potential
1:54:54
aspect as well. I think with the size and frame the Bills have with
1:54:57
Kincaid and Coleman, you can beat Cover one zero in those ways. Granted
1:55:00
it might be a little harder to win those situations, but you still have
1:55:04
a threat because defenses are gonna have to honor that piece. What else is
1:55:14
a good ass comment here from Charles, Yeah, Curtis sam was a four
1:55:16
to three guy with an average depth of target of six points six to seven
1:55:19
yards for his career. Yeah, he was just always used over the ball
1:55:24
a ton. I'm actually gonna pull up. I had a tweet for it,
1:55:28
but it's gonna I'm not gonna find it, so I'm just gonna go
1:55:30
look up what his career average depth of target is. Yeah, his career
1:55:34
average depth of target. Oh, I'm sorry, his career average depth of
1:55:36
target is nine point six, but it is really offset by two years in
1:55:43
Carolina twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen when he had twelve point two and fourteen point
1:55:46
eight. So a career average depth of target off for Curtis Samuel nine point
1:55:50
six. But from his rookie year to his most recent year, these were
1:55:55
his average depth of target nine point four, twelve point two, fourteen point
1:55:59
eight, seven point five one because he got injured in twenty twenty one six
1:56:04
point nine and twenty twenty two, and seven point one in twenty twenty three.
1:56:08
So the majority of time he's been used in the underneath and intermediate maybe
1:56:12
or low intermediate more than he has vertically through his career, which is very
1:56:15
interesting. Bum bum bum bum bum. Yeah, this is exactly right what
1:56:21
Charles says, Like Coleman given Joston thumbs up. That's exactly what is if
1:56:24
you see cover one or you see Cover zero and you got you like that
1:56:28
matchup, like you're just kind of giving the nod and snapping the ball.
1:56:30
Forget what everything else was happening out there, and you're just hey, like,
1:56:34
here's the alert. If we see this, we're doing this. And
1:56:38
that's what key on Coleman gives you, right, Like he's not going to
1:56:41
give you that separation piece in that route refinement aspect that you might that we're
1:56:44
used to, or you might want based on what you've seen, but he
1:56:47
just gives that ability to just win jump ball situations. And I don't know
1:56:53
if this is to Coleman's coming here from Millier defense player here twenty four this
1:56:57
says he's a body catcher though from the highlights I've watched. If you're talking
1:57:00
about Coleman, go to my Twitter and so type pro underscore or so just
1:57:05
type pro space and keon watch all the stuff that I put the Florida State
1:57:11
stuff. Also, oh have mine? You're talking about Curtis Samuel so cool.
1:57:15
I'll just shut up. Good tents Um Yeah, I got you,
1:57:18
my fault. It's so hard to keep up with the chat. I need
1:57:20
a producer to be here to just keep everything here. Bum bum bum bum
1:57:25
bum. Yeah. So it's gonna be a schematic change potentially for this offense,
1:57:29
but we'll see. We'll break down things as we go for it.
1:57:31
I'm gonna throwup the band and says Tootles, folks. Oh, Charles actually
1:57:35
coming here, saying aunt, watch Coleman on with RG three. If you
1:57:38
haven't, I have not. I saw some clips or not saw some clips.
1:57:43
I saw like postings of it on Twitter as I was getting ready for
1:57:45
the show tonight, but I didn't sit and watch because I didn't have the
1:57:46
time. But I will check that out because you're you're one of several people
1:57:50
who have said good things about it, so I'll give that. I'll give
1:57:51
that a watch for sure. I'm gonna throw up the band and says Tootles,
1:57:55
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