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Mia Pineda - Astrologer to 3M+ Followers (Mia Astral) | Why Your Birth Chart Is Not Your Destiny · Success Story with Scott Clary

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  I like to figure it out, this formula, what if Astrology is like an umbrella to work other things?
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  I think everybody looks for faith or a source to know what's gonna happen to them.
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  Nia Paneta is the strategist who turned marginalized voices into powerful brands
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  from grassroots beginnings to scaling movements.
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  She's mastered the art of influence with integrity.
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  The place that I start is like looking what's your self-concept.
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  Who do you think you are?
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  And I believe the Nettle Chart is a great place to start unraveling,
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  changing the narrative.
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  So that way you are understanding who you are and enlightening the potential.
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  All entrepreneurs, all the people that I admire, they don't have easy charts.
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  They have very difficult charts.
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  And that difficulty in their charts is the same muscle that pushes them through everything.
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  Her work blends bold storytelling, community building and action,
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  shifting culture while building impact.
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  She's not just advising others, she's living what she teaches,
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  aligned, courageous and purpose-driven.
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  I think faith is healthy when it questions itself.
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  Question even what I'm saying, how did you experience it?
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  You need to have a life, you need to make your own choices.
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  I focus more on big trends that we're gonna see unraveling through time.
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  For people to study, develop and get a sense of it.
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  Nia, you've built one of the largest astrology platforms in the world
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  by teaching something that most astrologers won't.
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  They can completely rewrite what their chart says about them.
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  Explain to me why that is so novel and so not common in the world of astrology.
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  First of all, I think everybody looks for like faith or a source or in this case astrology
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  to know what's gonna happen to them.
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  Like, I need something to tell me that this is not gonna last forever, this breakup,
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  the loss of a job or the loss of a person.
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  And I just need something to give me external certainty.
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  I practice Kabbalistic astrology and the whole foundation is the certainty within you.
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  So I'm not gonna teach you or not, I'm not gonna tell you, like,
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  be dependent to me or to the astrology or be dependent to an answer outside yourself.
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  Let's create the answers.
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  I believe like we can all create like this refugee inside of us
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  that place to go, but that place to go has to be like a stable rock,
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  like even in the storm if you want to see it that way.
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  And that's gonna happen when you understand how you're thinking, when you're listen to the things
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  that you say to yourself.
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  And the place that I start is like looking at what's your like
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  self-concept, who do you think you are?
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  And from that, I start creating with my clients and students like the pillars
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  of this person you want to be.
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  And I do believe that if you have the desire of be this way or that way,
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  you have the potential to do it.
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  Why?
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  You and I don't have the same desires.
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  Like, I don't want to be the president of the United States, do you?
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  No, I don't either.
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  So maybe that's the same, but I don't want to have other things.
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  Yeah, but for example, maybe you want to be this great podcaster.
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  That's not one of my desires.
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  I have other desires.
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  And I do believe that that seat of the desire,
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  if it's within you, is because you have something there,
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  a light that can be sparked to develop it.
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  So I do start in, okay, who do you think you are?
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  What do you know so far?
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  And I believe the Nettle Chart is a great place to start, to start unraveling,
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  but changing the narrative.
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  So that way, you are creating these new neuropath ways,
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  understanding who you are and enlightening the potential of what it is.
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  But it's all based on Caballa.
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  Because Cabalistic Astrology tells you that each position in your Nettle Chart
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  is not like a decree of destiny is, okay, we have this here.
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  How do we want to develop it?
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  It gives you at least this idea of freedom to say,
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  I can pause and choose if I want to move it this way or move it the other way.
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  And I believe in the power of taking this seat inside of you,
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  for you to think, I have a choice.
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  I always have a choice to be reactive or to respond to this.
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  So I think that's the difference.
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  So I love this.
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  And the reason why I love this so much is because my biggest,
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  I don't want to say issue, I don't know much about astrology,
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  but I would say my biggest issue with sort of following anything
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  that seems to place the responsibility outside of yourself.
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  It could be a religion.
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  It could be a spiritual practice.
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  It could be astrology.
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  It could be anything that says I'm not responsible for my own life
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  because this is what the universe said should happen to me.
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  I find that to be a very defeatist attitude.
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  I find it to be very depressing.
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  I find it to almost be this self-fulfilling prophecy
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  where you're like, well, if it's not meant for me,
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  I'm going to give up.
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  And the reason why I don't like that idea
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  is because I've found in my life the exact opposite of that.
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  If I put enough energy and effort and life force towards something,
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  I find that the world starts to change and bend to my will.
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  And I think that that's one of the strongest ideas.
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  And I don't think that it's easy.
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  And it's not just my idea.
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  A lot of big entrepreneurs believe this.
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  If they put enough energy towards something,
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  the world will let them eventually figure it out.
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  And I just wish more people wouldn't quit before they start
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  just because they believe that they're not supposed to do it.
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  If that makes sense.
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  And I love the version of what you're talking about
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  because you're saying understand who you are
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  through astrology, through natal charts,
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  through all these different things
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  that we can read and understand.
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  And then use that to set up your life and carve your life
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  and use that as like a guide,
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  but not as like a sentence.
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  Exactly.
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  The thing is, when I was born into astrology
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  in the sense that this was the language of my household.
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  Thank God, my grandmother who raised me never used it as a,
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  yes, like a sentence, you know?
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  But then when I started going into astrology,
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  myself, like me, myself alone,
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  and started like understanding what was behind the mathematical side
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  and everything.
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  First, I was coming out from this,
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  this very important person who was an astrology authority
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  in my hometown.
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  Tell me, you will never achieve anything
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  because you have this and that in your chart.
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  And then I was like holding on to astrology
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  to find a different answer.
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  Developing like my astrology sense,
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  reading books, studying by myself.
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  I like figured out this formula.
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  It was very young.
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  I was like maybe 16 or 15.
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  And I'm like, what if astrology is like an umbrella
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  to work other things?
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  And still to this day, I've been doing this professionally for 18 years now.
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  The way that I feel like I attract people
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  is through astrology.
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  But if you're looking for a horoscope that tells you,
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  this is going to happen to you and you don't have to move a finger,
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  maybe you're going to be like, okay,
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  me is not for me because in every,
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  like if it's a tweet, if it's a video,
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  if it's like a meme, whatever it is,
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  it's like, okay, I'm bringing you here.
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  But let's look like further
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  and let's work inside of us.
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  So I'm not this person who's going to tell you what's going to happen
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  and you don't have to do anything
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  or the other thing I don't do is fear.
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  A lot of astrologers use fear.
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  Mostly in recent times,
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  like as hookups or as a way to get a lot of clicks on YouTube,
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  like these headlines,
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  and I believe that people don't learn through fear.
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  You're not going to open yourself to learn, grow just by fear.
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  Fear indeed is effective,
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  but I do believe like the most effective thing
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  you can do long-term is working on yourself,
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  like believing in yourself.
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  Like you said, when you believe something is going to happen
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  and you put all your energy into it,
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  I believe the world bends to you because you start looking for ways
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  that if you just say to yourself,
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  this is not going to happen,
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  you close your eyes to it.
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  If you think it's going to happen,
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  you're going to see windows where you used to see walls.
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  You're going to make it happen.
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  And I do believe in that.
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  All entrepreneurs, all the people that I admire,
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  they don't have easy charts.
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  They have very difficult charts.
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  And that difficulty in their charts
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  is the same muscle that pushes them through everything.
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  I've seen very easy charts and very comfortable people.
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  So I do believe that little challenge,
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  that little little fire is what makes the world bend to you.
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  And so if you go back to when you were a child growing up
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  and you mentioned before that there was this one astrologer
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  that you would never amount to anything.
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  Obviously that didn't turn out.
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  Like you've obviously, did you take that
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  and say, I need to prove this wrong?
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  I need to do something that's going to prove this astrologer wrong?
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  Was this almost like motivation?
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  You know, there's a lot of questions people ask me.
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  And I was so young that I can see it one way right now
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  that I'm in my 40s.
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  Very different from when I was a teenager.
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  But this is the thing.
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  I was born in a very different conditions
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  from everyone around me.
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  My mother had me very young.
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  I was raised by my grandparents.
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  And when I turned like 14, 15,
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  I had this burning question that didn't let me sleep.
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  Because my mother had me very young
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  and we didn't live together.
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  She came to the United States to finish high school.
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  I stayed in Venezuela.
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  And I remember every time that I called my mom,
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  I was like, what do you have?
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  Like what made you make the choice of having me?
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  You were super young.
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  And this burning question, I was like, why did I come here?
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  Like other people in these circumstances
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  would have chosen something else to handle it differently.
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  And I was like, I didn't say in my mind,
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  like I came for something.
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  But I was like, what am I doing here?
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  And nobody could answer that question for me.
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  I asked her and she's like, yeah, I don't know.
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  Things happened that way.
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  This and that.
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  And I'm like, no, there has to be something.
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  Perreference, your mother was 14 when she had you.
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  It's not like she was like 18, 19, 20.
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  She had no idea exactly.
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  But I'm making this question when she was like, maybe 30,
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  already 30.
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  But she still didn't have that answer for me.
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  So I go to see this astrologer.
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  And he's like, I don't know if you should have come to the world.
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  Your son is next to the south node.
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  Well, don't expect too much from life.
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  And mind you, I was saving to have this consultation.
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  I was saving like my weekly money.
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  And this was like my gift.
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  I was graduating from high school at 15.
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  And this was my gift to myself.
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  Before choosing what career I was going to do in college.
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  I was like, do I do philosophy?
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  Do I do law school?
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  I'm going to see this guy.
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  And then I'm going to make my choice.
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  And the whole hour of consultation was like,
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  one depressing thing after another.
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  And I remember coming back to my apartment with this little cassette
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  where everything was recorded.
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  And like this folder.
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  And I'm like, I'm never going to open this again.
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  It can't be this can't be it.
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  There has to be something else.
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  I don't know if in that moment I was like,
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  I'm going to prove the world wrong.
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  Because in the rest of my life,
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  I've never been a person of always trying to prove people wrong.
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  No, like I don't I don't feel like that's one of my
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  main pillars of character.
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  But I do think it was more like a survival thing that,
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  no, no, no, I'm already here.
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  Like, let's see what happens.
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  But I never had an idea how or in which manner or sense,
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  I started law school and I loved it.
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  I work as a lawyer for two, three years.
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  I never thought to myself, I'm going to make a difference in the world.
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  But I do, I've always known I'm a very sensitive person.
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  And that I feel things very deeply.
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  But you know what?
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  Things happen the way they happen when I move to Miami.
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  And circumstances push me to look refuge in astrology again.
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  And then I was like, I don't know, I was just following
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  something that made me feel good.
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  I've heard this very long time ago by Monika Berg in the Cabalacenter.
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  She said, the way you know you're connecting to your purpose
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  is because this is lighting you up.
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  It doesn't have to be your work.
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  But you feel more light up, you feel like you want to give.
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  You feel like there's more of you that you want to expand.
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  And also, sometimes you're going to do things that just contract you.
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  Of course, sometimes because of trauma, sometimes because of fear.
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  But there's some things that just close your heart.
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  And when I came to Miami and I started going to the Cabalacenter
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  and I started to understand potential instead of like destiny or sentence,
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  I was like, there's something here.
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  And I started tweeting and I'm like, I just want to see if this can help someone
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  that it feels like me.
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  Like there's like a closed road.
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  In my perspective, I was trying to look for something that said,
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  okay, this is not going to be the same for the rest of your life.
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  Things are going to both things are going to change.
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  And there was like a push inside of me.
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  And I felt like more energy, less fear and push in and push in and push in.
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  And it keeps happening, you know?
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  Like last year, even though I've been doing this for a long time.
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  At the end of 2024, there was like a very hard situation
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  that I was going through.
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  And it sparked the same like fire.
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  And when 2025 started, I was like, I'm going to do everything
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  that I haven't done because of fear.
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  And here I am talking to you, making a podcast in English.
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  Because what I'm saying is like, it's not like, oh, I knew what I was going to do
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  and I felt this fire.
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  And it's been a blast for 18 years.
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  Like sometimes I feel that fear again.
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  Or I feel that shell again.
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  And some things spread something and I'm like, okay, I'm breaking through.
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  But it's not to prove people wrong.
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  It's because I feel there's something like, it's like expanding me.
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  You follow energy.
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  Yeah, I follow energy.
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  Yeah, exactly.
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  You put it into words.
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  No, it's very, no, just because as you're saying it,
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  like it resonates a lot with me.
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  I don't always know why I'm doing what I'm doing.
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  Exactly, but yeah.
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  But you just kind of follow what feels good and feels right and gives you energy
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  and doesn't take energy away.
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  And I think my whole career, not just with career with people too.
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  Some people give me energy.
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  Some people don't.
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  And for some reason, whatever, whatever mission
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  that I've been put on this road to do,
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  like even when I'm tired and I'm stressed out,
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  like when I do this, it's like everything.
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  Time disappears.
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  Yeah.
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  And I never felt anything else like that.
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  And I've done like a lot of different jobs.
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  And Vincent, that's a lot of different things too.
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  Exactly like that.
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  I'm curious how you
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  turned something that gave you energy and lit you up
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  and you were passionate about.
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  How do you turn that into an actual job?
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  Because that's something that a lot of people wish they could do,
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  but they don't do successfully.
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  Okay, every business is different.
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  And in my case, when I started doing this like professionally,
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  I was just recently moved to United States.
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  And I did have a nine to five.
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  Actually, a nine to five, a six to ten, a lot.
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  I've been very fortunate to have people in my life
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  that have coached me without being coaches.
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  I was reading a friend's post two days ago that said,
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  one of the things that I looking people is that they're coachable.
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  Because when you meet someone that is not coachable,
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  the things that know it all,
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  just there's nothing going on there.
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  And I was like, I'm coachable.
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  I open myself to listen to people that know from things that I don't know.
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  And even if you say something that
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  rubs me the wrong way, I'm open to like hearing you and asking myself,
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  like, what is it that I don't like?
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  Like, I understand that bias.
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  Like, it's something in me.
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  So starting this, I had this friend.
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  She used to live in Venezuela.
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  And she was working for this company
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  who manages personal branding.
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  And this is 2009.
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  So I had no idea what a personal brand was.
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  Or like, in those times, you didn't talk about content.
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  Like, we didn't say creating content.
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  I remember the word influencer came in like 2013.
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  But in that moment, I had no idea.
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  And she's like, you have this blog in blog spot.
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  This is very good.
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  You already used Twitter.
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  Open your Twitter and don't keep it privately.
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  Private, start tweeting and start posting
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  whatever you're doing in your blog spot.
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  And I'm not thinking about money at all.
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  So what happened to me was that tweeting,
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  I got like leads for people that wanted for me to do the horoscope
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  for the newspaper, this and that.
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  And the thing that changed, like, that spark,
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  this money thing in me was that I found out
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  that one of the people that was publishing my horoscopes
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  was charging for ads in the horoscope page
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  because it had a lot of clicks.
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  I had no mail.
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  It's like, nothing in me was like, like, money driven.
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  I don't know.
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  Like, I didn't had it in me.
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  But when I saw that, I was like, wait a minute.
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  Wait a minute.
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  They're making money off of me.
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  They're making money off of me.
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  And that is not right.
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  And also I'm working two jobs.
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  So wait.
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  And she's like, no, say the amount.
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  Like, let's do this.
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  Let's create a membership.
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  And I'm like, how?
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  Like, nobody's going to pay for this.
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  And she's like, you'll see, I started looking for pages
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  with like paid content.
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  And I think maybe the New York Times,
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  it was one newspaper that was starting
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  to charge for some, like, some articles, not all.
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  And I'm like, this is not going to happen.
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  This is not going to fly.
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  All my people, all the people that are following me,
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  following me on Facebook or Twitter
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  are in Latin America.
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  I'm charging in dollars.
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  Like, this is not going to happen.
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  I remember that we did this.
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  We launched a membership in 2011.
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  So it was like some years of me working for free.
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  In this moment, I'm making the decision
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  because I got fired of getting people on consultations.
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  So I'm attending people back to back.
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  I was charging like maybe 150 per consultation
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  one hour of reading your natal chart,
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  transits this and that.
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  At the same time, starting like to have like a very good perspective,
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  attending people.
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  I was very scared of attending people in the beginning
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  of not being professional enough.
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  So I was like really putting myself like the time and effort
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  to be professional.
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  I didn't have any role model.
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  It was like a little imposter syndrome.
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  Yeah, because like, try to travel back to 2011,
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  while in the world of astrology,
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  there was not this role model for me to say,
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  okay, he or she is doing it this way.
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  I can do it this way.
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  So I had to just like fake it till I make it.
• 19:10
  Creating those newer pathways to say, okay, this is happening.
• 19:14
  I'm going to believe myself that I'm this person.
• 19:17
  So I'm attending people.
• 19:18
  I'm earning a lot of like a little bit of money.
• 19:20
  We launched a membership.
• 19:22
  And then the membership is like either monthly or every six months.
• 19:27
  And I'm like, okay, this is a recurring charge.
• 19:30
  I can like start making a plan.
• 19:32
  My first plan was not to buy, I don't know, a purse or anything.
• 19:35
  I was like, I need a graphic designer.
• 19:38
  I need a graphic designer and it's somebody to help me.
• 19:40
  I refused to start Instagram because I was like,
• 19:43
  how am I going to translate astrology into pictures?
• 19:47
  Like, I didn't know how to talk about like an alignment or a transit.
• 19:52
  Am I going to take a picture of the chart of the planet?
• 19:55
  What am I going to do?
• 19:56
  And then I started thinking maybe I can post this.
• 19:59
  And this is like Venus in Scorpio, this outfit or this and that.
• 20:03
  So I was like, okay, when I open Instagram,
• 20:06
  the world really opened because everybody was like going into that social media platform.
• 20:12
  And then I was like just promoting my membership, my business.
• 20:16
  If you went on a horoscope, you had to go in and receive it every every Sunday.
• 20:22
  And my membership also included class every day.
• 20:25
  Like Monday to every day you would get 40 minutes or 50 minute class
• 20:30
  to learn how to read your chart.
• 20:32
  And that was a hit.
• 20:33
  Like, I don't know how I still don't understand how it happened,
• 20:37
  but it happened.
• 20:38
  And then I organized myself like financially a little bit.
• 20:42
  But my first impulse was I need a team.
• 20:46
  I need people.
• 20:46
  I can't do this all on my own.
• 20:48
  Well, I think, I mean, you say you don't know how it happened.
• 20:51
  I think it happened by you starting,
• 20:53
  which is a big blocker for a lot of people regardless in terms of business or content
• 20:57
  or otherwise just starting.
• 20:58
  But then also just working a lot.
• 21:00
  I think it just, it sounds like you just worked a lot like I worked a lot.
• 21:03
  And also you know what?
• 21:04
  It's not magic.
• 21:05
  It's a lot of hard work.
• 21:06
  There's a lot of people that
• 21:08
  this is like very early.
• 21:10
  There's a huge difference.
• 21:12
  Because I think early adopters,
• 21:15
  we had a lot of opportunities in that moment.
• 21:18
  When I see myself, I look back 2012 to 2013,
• 21:23
  like for example, TV programs, magazines,
• 21:27
  we're catching this drill that the content was going to come from those people in social media.
• 21:33
  So a lot of people were just like knocking on the door on,
• 21:36
  do this for me, come to this TV show, come to that.
• 21:39
  So I had so many opportunities that I also feel as humans,
• 21:44
  when we see that something is getting recognition is getting you a plus,
• 21:47
  you get very motivated.
• 21:49
  So if I started astrology now,
• 21:52
  now there's a lot of people creating astrology in social media.
• 21:54
  You know what I mean?
• 21:55
  Of course.
• 21:55
  So I think early adopters,
• 21:57
  we do have this advantage that everybody was looking for us in the beginning.
• 22:03
  And if you kept doing it,
• 22:04
  you have an authority in the area because you've been doing it for 12 years, 15 years.
• 22:09
  But how do you, how do you, yes, I agree,
• 22:11
  but how do you keep reinventing yourself so that you keep staying relevant?
• 22:14
  And you like, what's the strategy?
• 22:15
  Because I do agree.
• 22:16
  Early adopters have this advantage,
• 22:19
  but you still need to find a way to like,
• 22:23
  keep the excitement in your audience or with your customers.
• 22:26
  So this is the thing.
• 22:28
  Astrology wise, every day, something is happening.
• 22:31
  Like the planets are moving.
• 22:32
  So regarding content, for example,
• 22:35
  let's say I was a fashion influencer.
• 22:38
  I would be attached to trends,
• 22:40
  to fall, spring.
• 22:42
  I don't know, I'm not a fashion influencer.
• 22:44
  But you have to keep looking what's going on with the brands, I guess.
• 22:48
  But as an astrologer, every day,
• 22:50
  something is happening.
• 22:51
  So I don't have to think like, what am I going to talk about?
• 22:53
  Like, I know what trends it's going to happen in December.
• 22:56
  And I'm already talking about it.
• 22:57
  Like, I don't even have to talk about myself every day.
• 23:00
  There's something going on.
• 23:02
  How do I create like the attractiveness?
• 23:04
  I think it's the way of expressing myself.
• 23:07
  I think I can transmit passion because I really love what I do.
• 23:11
  And the other thing that happens is as humans,
• 23:14
  we people, something happens, something changes.
• 23:17
  I started doing this when I was like 23.
• 23:20
  And I was a single girl in Miami.
• 23:22
  Okay.
• 23:23
  So from 23 to 30 something, I went through dates.
• 23:27
  I went through a lot of breakups.
• 23:28
  I went through like the six in the city time.
• 23:31
  And I never exposed my private life.
• 23:34
  But I had a, like a book deal.
• 23:36
  I had to write, I think it was five, six books.
• 23:39
  And two, yeah.
• 23:42
  And two of those books were about relationships.
• 23:47
  And that, because I'm not a person to say like,
• 23:49
  in this story, my boyfriend left.
• 23:50
  No, but I explained the whole story in the books with a little bit of astrology.
• 23:56
  Like, for example, he was a scorpion.
• 23:57
  This happened.
• 23:58
  So I think that was a great pivot because the books were literally like sex in the city.
• 24:04
  I had characters.
• 24:05
  There were my friends.
• 24:06
  People saw them in social media.
• 24:07
  So this is glowing.
• 24:08
  This is that.
• 24:09
  So that was a pivot.
• 24:11
  Then I went on a book tour.
• 24:13
  I came back to Miami after like touring for like three or four months.
• 24:17
  I go to a yoga class for the first time in my life.
• 24:20
  And I don't know.
• 24:21
  I got, not at the pression, but I got like, oh my god.
• 24:24
  Like, my life is changing.
• 24:25
  And then I was like, I'm going to pursue yoga.
• 24:28
  And I'm going to get, like, I'm going to get myself certified.
• 24:30
  And then I took my, my followers to get certified in yoga.
• 24:35
  And Kabbal.
• 24:36
  And like, I've been taking these people in all the people that are like,
• 24:40
  but it's not a lie.
• 24:41
  Like, this is me looking for answers saying, okay, I did this nutrition course.
• 24:46
  And last year, I did this hormone workshop.
• 24:49
  And this is happening.
• 24:49
  And this is very menopause.
• 24:51
  And this looks like the, like the moon transit,
• 24:53
  like the same way as our cycles.
• 24:55
  I find ways to see everything in life.
• 24:59
  And like, how is related to astrology?
• 25:02
  So I think as women or as people that like astrology,
• 25:05
  it's interesting in seeing real life experiences with that parallel.
• 25:10
  But I think that's a reinvention.
• 25:12
  I haven't like, look for it.
• 25:13
  I'm just like living life.
• 25:15
  So I have a couple of thoughts.
• 25:16
  I love first of all, I think that's very wise.
• 25:19
  I hope I'm going to explain what people really have to understand
• 25:22
  from what you did.
• 25:22
  I don't know if you did it purposefully.
• 25:24
  I think you, you understand why it's so good with your content.
• 25:27
  But first idea is this is like, why Taylor Swift's music is always better when she breaks up.
• 25:34
  Oh, yeah.
• 25:35
  No, my classes were amazing in each break up because like, let me tell you.
• 25:40
  I know. I know.
• 25:41
  Let me tell you what are the transit of a mama's boy.
• 25:44
  Like, you know, like, that's the thing.
• 25:45
  So this is what I think a lot of content creators.
• 25:48
  And I say content creator, you run a business, but you're a content creator.
• 25:52
  But a content creator is a business at the end of the day.
• 25:54
  And if you don't have good content, it's going to fall flat.
• 25:57
  People aren't going to follow you.
• 25:59
  But to be a good content creator, you have to live a life.
• 26:03
  Like, you have to live.
• 26:04
  You have to go do shit.
• 26:05
  Yeah.
• 26:05
  To go out.
• 26:06
  You have to go travel, explore like make mistakes.
• 26:08
  Yeah.
• 26:08
  Hold on.
• 26:09
  Because get up again.
• 26:10
  That is what again, hate the word.
• 26:12
  Everyone hates the word authenticity.
• 26:13
  But that's what it is.
• 26:14
  It's just bringing your life into your content.
• 26:17
  To give you an example of how that like impacts me,
• 26:20
  like even with the podcast, when I first started this podcast now just over six years ago,
• 26:24
  I didn't bring any of my life into the podcast.
• 26:26
  I was scared, shitless.
• 26:27
  I didn't want to talk about what was going on in my life with my relationship with work with anything.
• 26:31
  Now I bring everything into the podcast.
• 26:34
  And it does that much better because now people feel like they know me.
• 26:36
  So they still get podcasts.
• 26:37
  They still get the content.
• 26:39
  But they they understand it.
• 26:40
  Oh, I just spent two months in Dubai because I'm trying to figure out a real estate transaction.
• 26:44
  And that was a shit show.
• 26:45
  And I was talking to somebody that's big into real estate.
• 26:47
  And that drives the conversation.
• 26:48
  But it's just you bring your life into your content.
• 26:52
  And then people feel like you're not just this talking head.
• 26:54
  Just talking at them.
• 26:56
  They're like living vicariously through you.
• 26:58
  And then you tie it back to what you do for a living, which is astrology.
• 27:01
  And then all of a sudden, it's now relevant to your main content.
• 27:04
  And now it's relevant to your business.
• 27:06
  I think that's one of the smartest things that anybody's ever set on the show
• 27:10
  about how to create good content.
• 27:13
  Go live a life.
• 27:14
  Yeah, but I have to say some things about this.
• 27:18
  I'm me like you like I don't bring my day to day to my stories.
• 27:22
  Like I don't try to create engagement about what's happening in my day to day.
• 27:26
  I opened myself about my breakups in a book because I felt like it was like a book.
• 27:31
  Like it's a book.
• 27:31
  You know what I mean?
• 27:32
  It happened and you give it space and then you brought it in.
• 27:36
  But this is the thing or another thing, for example,
• 27:39
  2025 was a year astrologically speaking of huge change.
• 27:44
  I don't like when I follow someone that is talking about something
• 27:48
  and it's not following through.
• 27:50
  Like I'm talking about change and everybody that follows me knows that this year
• 27:55
  I've been making huge changes.
• 27:57
  I'm not going to just talk about it.
• 27:59
  I'm going to leave about it.
• 28:01
  But another thing that I think it's important, but this is in the world of astrology.
• 28:05
  Astrology has always been tied to spirituality.
• 28:08
  For a lot of people's spirituality is I don't need meat.
• 28:10
  I don't make mistakes.
• 28:12
  If I know astrology, I know what's going to happen to me.
• 28:15
  And I'm like I feel like I'm a very spiritual person.
• 28:18
  But I'm still like I make mistakes.
• 28:21
  I'm impulsive.
• 28:22
  I follow the energy.
• 28:23
  I follow like the love, the heart.
• 28:26
  I don't I don't pose myself as this
• 28:30
  spiritual elevated person that is not going to make mistakes because that's a lie.
• 28:34
  You know, I've been trying really hard to separate astrology from spirituality
• 28:40
  not because it's not tied up, but because in my world, in my business world,
• 28:45
  if you're an astrologer, if you do tattle, rakey or something like that,
• 28:49
  you should you shouldn't charge.
• 28:51
  But that's the thing.
• 28:53
  I'm a very ambitious person.
• 28:54
  I'm not going to deny that in the sense that I do see all the time that I
• 28:59
  invest creating content, not for social media, but for my membership.
• 29:03
  I work every day four to five hours just recording all the time for classes.
• 29:09
  I take like workshops and courses, not only about astrology, other things too.
• 29:14
  So I do see all my effort.
• 29:16
  I do see all the people that I have in my company.
• 29:18
  Australia is a big company.
• 29:20
  We have people in Mexico, in Colombia, in Spain, in United States.
• 29:26
  We used to have something in like in Netherlands like we are a big, big team.
• 29:32
  So I do create content and create a business to provide to all these people.
• 29:37
  You know what I mean?
• 29:38
  And people from outside don't see that.
• 29:41
  They think that oh, if it's astrology and it's spiritual, you shouldn't charge.
• 29:45
  And I'm like, what do people say that?
• 29:47
  So I don't agree with that.
• 29:48
  No, I don't agree with that either.
• 29:50
  And I do believe that even though I'm taking all the shit for it in the sense that
• 29:55
  before me, I never saw someone like saying unapologetically, this is my workshop.
• 30:02
  This is the value.
• 30:03
  My time is valuable.
• 30:05
  I'm working on myself.
• 30:06
  I'm trying to get like more degrees or more like, you know, everything that you have to do for it.
• 30:12
  And I do believe there's a value on the perspective that you have built it, you know?
• 30:17
  So I hope it opens the doors for other people working in this type of content saying,
• 30:23
  yeah, if I work for your newspaper or your magazine, this is like, this is how much I charge for
• 30:30
  this piece because what people don't know about astrology is that you study every, every day.
• 30:36
  There's always something happening.
• 30:38
  And you have to sharpen your vision because if not, for example, this is the thing.
• 30:43
  You see the world as you are, not as the world is.
• 30:47
  So I've seen a astrologer say, oh, this is a Pluto transit.
• 30:50
  This is going to be awful for you.
• 30:52
  Like what this guy did to me.
• 30:54
  If you don't open your mind and get out of yourself, you're going to make content and horoscope
• 31:00
  for 12 signs from your little bubble, from your life.
• 31:03
  So for example, one thing I do a lot, I go into forums in other astrology sites.
• 31:08
  Why?
• 31:09
  Because I need to see another astrology perspective.
• 31:12
  A astrologer's perspective.
• 31:14
  I need to see how they frame world events.
• 31:16
  I need to study the history of some transits.
• 31:19
  If not, you said go out and live because if not, it's just a little bubble.
• 31:24
  And that takes time.
• 31:25
  That takes effort.
• 31:26
  That is valuable.
• 31:28
  And another thing that I understood this year,
• 31:30
  and it was like, because I went to create a method and I met people like you or like,
• 31:34
  Gary is like, you have something very valuable is that you've been creating content for 18 years.
• 31:40
  So you can teach people about content and I'm like, you see it like, yeah.
• 31:44
  But since people frame you in like, if you're good at this and it's easy for you,
• 31:48
  should be free, it's like, I know.
• 31:50
  So I do have experience in this and I do have experience in that.
• 31:53
  And I hope everybody that's doing something out of passion
• 31:57
  can see that there are a lot of accomplishments in all of that journey for sure.
• 32:03
  One last thought on how you've built this incredible business.
• 32:06
  Because I think this is also a useful lesson for people that are
• 32:11
  they have passion and they're building something that they're passionate about.
• 32:16
  But say they didn't take the lead.
• 32:17
  They're doing it in my opinion smartly.
• 32:19
  So they're still working their nine to five.
• 32:22
  How do you know when you take that hobby and you turn it into something full time?
• 32:26
  Like you turn it into your life and your career.
• 32:28
  My life is not a really good example because I had a nine to five and then an eight to three
• 32:33
  a.m. and my boss from my nine to five fired me because he told me like, your life is not here.
• 32:40
  Like you really love astrology.
• 32:41
  Like you do your own thing.
• 32:43
  I'm going to let you go with that two months paid.
• 32:46
  But you know, this is, I'm so grateful for that.
• 32:52
  But the way that I see a lot of people have done the jump is that they know they they want
• 32:56
  a jump and they start like saving what they call a fuck you fund that you have to have like
• 33:06
  at least six to nine months in all the expenses that you need and then you make the jump.
• 33:12
  So I'm not a very good example because it was different times I had like other situation.
• 33:17
  But if I had to do it now, I would have my job and I would start working on my thing regardless.
• 33:24
  Like a little, little by little, giving attention to both.
• 33:27
  Start looking for business opportunities in this thing that is my passion.
• 33:32
  You know, in Cavaladeh say that the thing you would love the most, your passion shouldn't be
• 33:38
  your main source of income because it's so pure that nothing should taint it in a way.
• 33:46
  So I do believe like try to keep your passion sparking.
• 33:52
  Get from that energy to the things you have to do to keep life moving but start saving like no
• 33:58
  what you need to spend to spend and what you don't need to spend.
• 34:01
  Save enough to have that moment when you feel like it's time to do the jump.
• 34:06
  I wouldn't do the jump if I didn't have like a source of income, something that is moving like
• 34:12
  maybe a business model or an idea.
• 34:15
  I would do that too.
• 34:16
  Like when I started, I didn't know what a business model was.
• 34:19
  I didn't know like about tax, like about anything.
• 34:22
  I had to learn on the go.
• 34:24
  If I would start again, I would learn how to handle money first.
• 34:29
  In my personal life, like what's my relationship with money?
• 34:33
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• 34:34
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• 34:38
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  Was there ever a moment where you second-guester?
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  Or was this something that you always felt like this was meant for you?
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  Ever since I started, I've always felt
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  this is something I want to do.
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  Even if I didn't earn any money, I would still do astrology
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  for sure, for sure.
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  But I've had my doubts not creating content, not doing astrology.
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  Like in 2022 was a very hard year for me
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  hearing what they needed to say.
• 38:34
  For me, it was very hard.
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  My best friend works with me.
• 38:37
  She's here and she comes from corporate.
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  It's not that she brought corporate to me astral,
• 38:42
  but she brought some practices that are healthy practices in a company.
• 38:48
  And for me, that was going through flow and stream
• 38:54
  to like a quadri-cooler.
• 38:57
  Like a box.
• 38:57
  Yeah, like a box, but some boxes are neat.
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  You know, you know what I mean?
• 39:01
  Yeah.
• 39:01
  Like you're not going to cheat the system and not pay that.
• 39:04
  Like you have to do everything.
• 39:05
  Well, forget it.
• 39:06
  Forget even that.
• 39:06
  I mean, just in terms of, I'll give you an example that happens to me.
• 39:09
  Like sometimes when I'm like with my scrappy little podcast,
• 39:12
  like I've worked in corporate before.
• 39:14
  I've never worked in corporate.
• 39:15
  But you get very comfortable.
• 39:17
  Like I run my whole team on WhatsApp.
• 39:19
  Yeah.
• 39:20
  That's not corporate.
• 39:21
  That's not corporate.
• 39:22
  Yeah, that happened to me.
• 39:23
  But you know, you love, but no, we love.
• 39:27
  But it's true.
• 39:28
  And I've talked about this with other business owners.
• 39:31
  Like we got slack.
• 39:33
  And for me was like, hey, can you send me this?
• 39:35
  And then it's like, no, hi.
• 39:37
  Good.
• 39:37
  Like it does map.
• 39:39
  You love.
• 39:40
  I'm laughing because you're the same.
• 39:41
  You love.
• 39:42
  But all those little things matter.
• 39:47
  Like getting the time to talk of one, like, for example,
• 39:50
  taking the time to tell one of the people in your team,
• 39:53
  this idea, this idea you brought is amazing.
• 39:55
  And it did super well.
• 39:57
  And the work you're doing is something.
• 39:58
  You think that doesn't matter.
• 40:00
  But you really do need to learn how to lead.
• 40:03
  Because the success of your work,
• 40:07
  it also relies on the success on the team
• 40:09
  and how they feel and the connection
• 40:11
  that is going in the like in the everyday life.
• 40:16
  You forget because you're creating content.
• 40:17
  And you have like running the business and doing the investment.
• 40:21
  But you're part of their everyday life.
• 40:23
  And maybe you don't know it, but they look up to you.
• 40:25
  And they're looking up to what, like, your lead to do this and that.
• 40:28
  Sometimes not only in business, sometimes also in life.
• 40:32
  And you have, I know it's like another space in your mind
• 40:34
  that you're like, okay, I have to take this into account too.
• 40:37
  But you really have to pour yourself into being a leader,
• 40:40
  knowing how to be a boss, owning your mistakes and saying it.
• 40:43
  And also investing their development.
• 40:47
  Like workshop this.
• 40:48
  Let's bring somebody.
• 40:49
  Let's do this meditation together because we do.
• 40:52
  I think that I have some like the girl in human resources.
• 40:55
  She's amazing.
• 40:56
  And she always is always like taking care of these things.
• 41:00
  So yeah, it's been like a journey to learn those things too.
• 41:05
  Yes, but I mean, when you like again,
• 41:07
  if there's something that you are so committed to doing,
• 41:11
  I'm just going to just say it one last time.
• 41:13
  Like when you when you take the first step,
• 41:15
  you you do figure it out.
• 41:18
  Like you really do figure it out.
• 41:19
  It sounds like a lot.
• 41:21
  But again, like all the cliches are also very true.
• 41:23
  You don't compare someone someone else's your 10 to your your one.
• 41:26
  Like take the first step lean in,
• 41:28
  surround yourself with good people.
• 41:29
  It does work out.
• 41:30
  But I do have second guess myself in that sense.
• 41:32
  It like it might be a dub to be like an owner.
• 41:36
  Do I need somebody to like in those situations is when I get like either frustrated
• 41:42
  or feel like I'm not doing enough.
• 41:44
  I should put like and I did the jump.
• 41:46
  Like I used to I remembered four or five years ago that I felt like
• 41:50
  all my job was to do astrology.
• 41:53
  But no, it's also be a boss.
• 41:55
  It's also looking for another business.
• 41:57
  It's like there's more to it.
• 41:59
  But you grow into it, I think you grow into it.
• 42:01
  I also think that this is a really good point, a very important point.
• 42:05
  So even if you're doing something that you're passionate about,
• 42:08
  a lot of the work to make that passion of business
• 42:11
  is not things that you'll be passionate about.
• 42:14
  But he's a part of it.
• 42:15
  It's a part of it.
• 42:16
  So a lot of the a lot of the hiring and the sales and the leadership
• 42:20
  and the marketing, the HR, the finite.
• 42:22
  Like that's not things that anybody's passionate.
• 42:25
  It may be some but not many people are some people are some people.
• 42:29
  I'm not you would be surprised.
• 42:31
  You feel like you're a people's person.
• 42:34
  Yeah, yeah, I am.
• 42:35
  I think some people are not like, I mean, I think that's why I enjoy doing this.
• 42:39
  I believe I'm a people's person.
• 42:40
  But all those things like, hi, good morning.
• 42:42
  These like, all those little details,
• 42:45
  they were not like first nature for me.
• 42:47
  And now they come to be first nature in everything.
• 42:50
  And I do see the value in it.
• 42:53
  Like for whoever is listening to us and thinking,
• 42:56
  that's like a lot of things you grow.
• 42:58
  You have time and you grow into it little by little by little.
• 43:02
  On your mistakes, like have this even though like maybe like you,
• 43:07
  you manage people in different cities or places.
• 43:10
  Yes, they're all right.
• 43:10
  Have this open door policy of you can come to me and ask me whatever you need to ask me.
• 43:16
  Like, I don't believe in my business.
• 43:19
  In this, I'm here and you're here.
• 43:22
  Like we're all open to like change ideas, brainstorming, give me guidance.
• 43:28
  I never hired somebody who loves loves loves the brand.
• 43:32
  Because I never want to be working with somebody that is just like,
• 43:35
  oh, I love Australia.
• 43:37
  I love me astral.
• 43:38
  I it's not that I do love.
• 43:40
  I love when people criticize me in a right way.
• 43:43
  Like has healthy criticism.
• 43:45
  Because I know it's going to help grow the brand and create something better.
• 43:50
  But that's also why the people that you surround yourself with to your point,
• 43:52
  they can't just be fans.
• 43:54
  They have to be professionals and they have to be good at what they do.
• 43:57
  But they also have to be comfortable like speaking up and telling them something's wrong.
• 44:01
  But you create that space.
• 44:03
  With your attitude, you create that space when they can say,
• 44:06
  hey, I think this can be a change or this or that.
• 44:09
  And I think that's also healthy in other relationships too.
• 44:13
  But you have to become aware of what you don't see yourself.
• 44:16
  Sometimes I ask my friends and they tell me like,
• 44:19
  yeah, sometimes you're scary.
• 44:20
  And I'm like, oh, I don't see myself that way.
• 44:23
  But you have to ask these things.
• 44:25
  There's this practice before Rosha Shana in Kavala that you know when you're
• 44:30
  like the month before Rosha Shana, the month of Elul.
• 44:35
  Elul, you ask the people closest to you to tell you things that you don't see about yourself.
• 44:42
  And it's funny because you think you know yourself.
• 44:46
  And then these people is like, I live with you every day.
• 44:48
  And you do this and that.
• 44:49
  And you're like, ah, indignal.
• 44:51
  But it's true.
• 44:52
  It happens.
• 44:53
  So you have to learn how to see yourself from outside.
• 44:55
  It's very wise because even people think they're self-aware.
• 45:00
  And they think they know themselves who you are is actually not who you think you are.
• 45:05
  Who you are is how other people perceive you.
• 45:08
  That is your reality.
• 45:09
  That is reality.
• 45:11
  Excuse me, it's not your reality, but that is reality.
• 45:13
  So it doesn't matter how good or bad or nice or mean you think you are.
• 45:16
  If people don't perceive you that way, it doesn't make a difference.
• 45:21
  I didn't know that was a practice in Judaism.
• 45:23
  Not in Judaism in Kavala.
• 45:25
  But Kavala has roots in Judaism.
• 45:28
  The same calendar and everything.
• 45:30
  But anybody can practice Kavala.
• 45:33
  And I do follow all the holidays and everything.
• 45:38
  I do this practice with my husband.
• 45:41
  I used to do it with my friends.
• 45:43
  Like also in the in Tubeyab that is like Kavalistic day of love.
• 45:50
  We used to do this exchange of growth squads and dressing white
• 45:55
  and as for our desires for the next year, like everything.
• 45:58
  I used to do everything.
• 45:59
  Now I do these practices with my husband.
• 46:02
  It's really interesting because Kavala is always trying to teach you to find a way
• 46:07
  to get out of your ego, I guess.
• 46:10
  Like the way you see yourself in astrology is like, do we have this method?
• 46:15
  Like there's the sun and your rising sign.
• 46:18
  And the sun is how you think you're perceived.
• 46:20
  And the rising sign is the relationship you have with yourself.
• 46:23
  And when you understand both, you're like,
• 46:26
  there's a huge gap between what I project and what I really am.
• 46:31
  So it's like I find like everything, you're going to find a way to understand these things.
• 46:37
  It's from Kavala, from numerology, astrology, human design.
• 46:41
  You're always going to find a way to understand who do I think I am and what am I projecting?
• 46:47
  So all of these ideas and practices, they're all really leading to the same end result.
• 46:53
  Yes, like you choose your umbrella, but try to choose something to see yourself.
• 47:00
  How did you decide what you wanted to include in your teachings?
• 47:05
  How did you decide?
• 47:06
  Okay, so for people who don't understand the different versions of astrology,
• 47:10
  I know there's a few different versions.
• 47:12
  I don't know the names of all of them, but I know there's a few different versions.
• 47:15
  But then there is like human design.
• 47:17
  There is Kavala, which I just know because there's like roots in Judaism for Kavala.
• 47:21
  I don't know anything about human design, but I've heard people speak about it before.
• 47:25
  So there's so many different umbrellas.
• 47:28
  How did you choose what you wanted to include?
• 47:31
  What you wanted to learn from?
• 47:32
  How do you combine them?
• 47:34
  Are there some that are not so legitimate?
• 47:37
  Some that are more legitimate?
• 47:38
  Like how do you make that?
• 47:40
  Because there's so much.
• 47:42
  I think that this is a whole other conversation, but I think that it's a valid idea.
• 47:48
  I think that as people and society moved away from traditional versions of religion and God
• 47:54
  and became somewhat more secular, I think that a lot of these practices filled avoid
• 47:59
  because I think that for faith, people always need faith.
• 48:03
  And I actually think it's very healthy to have faith because if you don't have faith,
• 48:07
  then I think you have a very hard time removing your ego.
• 48:12
  Because for a moment, if you don't have faith in something bigger than yourself,
• 48:15
  the biggest thing in your life is yourself.
• 48:18
  I think that's very dangerous.
• 48:19
  I think that's not a good way to operate through life.
• 48:21
  So for me, I don't really have any care what someone else believes or doesn't believe in,
• 48:30
  but I think that the worst thing they can believe in is their own ego, being the most important thing.
• 48:35
  Yeah, they got.
• 48:35
  Yes, I think it's very, very, very toxic.
• 48:38
  I also, there's an idea also when you remove God from society,
• 48:42
  people find God's in other things and it could be astrology that could be the thing that they
• 48:48
  look to, which is fine, but it gets very bad when the God turns into a vice like work or money,
• 48:56
  or something else, right?
• 48:58
  Where they think that they're only put on this earth to serve money and to serve work or to serve
• 49:03
  some other, you know, a worse vice like alcohol, drugs, gambling, whatever it is.
• 49:08
  There's a million different vices that can replace faith and spirituality.
• 49:13
  But that being said, if somebody is trying to understand what they should listen to,
• 49:20
  what they shouldn't listen to, maybe they don't have a traditional religious God in their life,
• 49:27
  how to help them navigate because there's so much out there.
• 49:30
  So help them navigate what they should listen to and what they shouldn't.
• 49:33
  And you can use your own experience too, like how did you navigate?
• 49:37
  Because you probably have full view of everything that is more new.
• 49:42
  I don't, because for example, I mentioned human design.
• 49:46
  Yesterday, I had like a live class meeting with all my students and somebody asked about human
• 49:51
  design. I'm very frontal in saying, when I don't know about something and I don't know a lot,
• 49:57
  I don't know anything about human design. They told me I'm a manifest or something,
• 50:01
  but it has never caught my attention. Like I follow what really gets my attention.
• 50:06
  I do believe like for me, I don't know for other people. I think faith is healthy when it
• 50:12
  question itself. In the sense like, when I give classes, I'm like, okay, this is happening
• 50:18
  astrologically, I'm going to give you these questions. Question even what I'm saying, how did you
• 50:23
  experience it? For me, I take what has worked, putting the work in me, not putting the certainty
• 50:32
  outside. So for example, Kabalab makes a lot of questions. I did psychoanalysis for eight years
• 50:39
  as a therapy and there were a lot of questions. Like in psychoanalysis, there's not like, oh, this
• 50:45
  is what you have or this is what it was. Each session ended with a question, like an open question
• 50:52
  that get me through thinking many things. So I follow whatever allows me the time to think,
• 51:00
  never putting like the God, like I am the God, no, but the certainty and the work is within me,
• 51:06
  not outside. And for example, in astrology, a lot of people use astrology saying, for example,
• 51:11
  you're a Leo. So this is how you are. I don't believe that. I believe that each chart is unique
• 51:18
  and I also believe that you're going to choose what to show from from that chart, even when you
• 51:24
  don't know it. You know what I mean? So whatever labels you and puts you in a little box, I don't
• 51:31
  go with that. I need to have have space to question myself to question things. And I follow what I
• 51:39
  think it has worked for me. How do I know it has worked for me? It has helped me grow. It has
• 51:45
  helped me help other people. Or it has given me a source of strength in very dark times.
• 51:53
  But never ever putting, as I said, the certainty outside. I don't tell people what to do. I place
• 52:00
  questions. Like I tell you, how is the energy? How it can manifest? And then I place the question.
• 52:06
  How are you feeling it? What do you feel you want to do with it that way? It's more like a
• 52:11
  dialogue. I never want to place myself in the position of Aguru or knowing how everything is
• 52:18
  because as I told you, like I feel a lot of people has this astrology or other ways of like
• 52:24
  this philosophical thinking from a place of superiority. And I don't believe in that.
• 52:31
  Do you ever find that because astrology, I guess, is is is old. It sits old with them. Kabbalah is
• 52:38
  also very old wisdom. What is more new age? I think there's a lot of things that have been going
• 52:49
  on for a long time. For example, human design, I have no idea how long has been. But I feel like
• 52:56
  it's becoming trendier in the past maybe 10 years. That could also be what I'm just thinking of
• 53:02
  like what new age spirituality means. And it could also just be looking at something that's old
• 53:06
  like Kabbalah. And then it becomes popular and people start to study it. And then it seems like
• 53:11
  it's more new age, even though it's been around for. Kabbalah is very interesting because it's
• 53:15
  been like a wave. I remember when Madonna started talking about Kabbalah in 1998 maybe. And then it
• 53:21
  went away, then it came back, then it went away. And I've seen since 2024, it came right like
• 53:28
  right back. But right now, like I'm going to mention Thomas Geological Transit, we have the North
• 53:33
  Node in Pisces. So we're having a Clipses in Pisces and every time this happens, there's like a
• 53:40
  search in faith and in spirituality like people need something to hold on. Like it's having like a
• 53:46
  renaissance, it could be astrology, it could be Kabbalah, it could be anything. But right now, and
• 53:51
  you're going to see it, like for me social media is like it's telling me the vibe and the mood of
• 53:56
  people. And I've seen with Catholicism or with Judith, like everything is coming stronger. But I don't
• 54:02
  see it like, oh, it's Christianism or it's Judaism. For me, it's like, okay, spirituality.
• 54:07
  Something is happening here with faith. Like people need something to hold on to. And you know, so
• 54:13
  this is what's so interesting. So when you see astrologically this indicator, you do see a
• 54:18
  play out in real life. Every time there's like a huge transit coming up, for example, right now we're
• 54:25
  having a Clipses in Virgo and Pisces. Every time we're having a Clipses in Virgo and Pisces like
• 54:31
  this. For example, Virgo is the south note right now. There's going to be a search in self-care
• 54:41
  every little detail. All the steps you do to like for your morning routine, like mind you, the last
• 54:48
  time we had this a Clipses was 19 years ago, these type of a Clipses. So there's no way for me to
• 54:54
  say, oh, 19 years ago, we had Instagram and everybody was posting the routine. But before this
• 55:00
  a Clipses started, I gave a class in March 2024 saying to my students, okay, these a Clipses
• 55:05
  are going to come up. Virgo, that is the sign of like the body and all routines. We're going to
• 55:12
  have a Clipses there. So you guys are going to see a search in everything that has to do with
• 55:16
  routines and monitorize everything because last year I was already seeing people with the
• 55:20
  honoring with this like trying to get analytics for everything. And I said, this is going to get
• 55:25
  stronger. Pisces is the other sign we're going to have a Clipses. Everything's going to be into
• 55:31
  spirituality or faith and this and that. I say this before the transit starts and then I'm like, okay,
• 55:37
  what have we seen about this? Like did we see the search? Before this a Clipses, we had it in
• 55:42
  Eris and Libra. Every time there's a Clipses in Eris and Libra, there's a lot of things with war
• 55:49
  and Libra rules relationships. And my example was, let's see what happens to Bumble to match
• 55:55
  because Libra is going to have a Clipses and if we're going to have a Clipses in the sign of
• 55:59
  relationships and now everybody's trying to connect through like online, let's see what happens.
• 56:05
  I didn't know I was going to happen. The Clipses happen and something we saw like the tendencies
• 56:12
  in social media was Gen C saying, I don't want to do hint or I don't want to do that because
• 56:18
  I want to meet people in real life. So we start seeing the trends and then we see it in real life.
• 56:24
  It's, no, it's super interesting. There's this astrologer, Richard Tarnas. He has this book called
• 56:30
  Cosmos and Saiki. Is that like the huge, huge book? All he did was talking about transit through
• 56:39
  history and manifestation that has happened and he's like, okay, astrology is not a science,
• 56:45
  it's a pseudoscience, but it's the science of observation that every time we have certain type
• 56:50
  of transit, these are the manifestations. So for example, every 36 years, Pluto and Saturn get
• 56:58
  into a conjunction and every time that happens, there's like the Spanish flu in 1982 was AIDS like,
• 57:05
  there's like a viral thing that in the beginning people don't understand and then voila. So
• 57:12
  in 1982 was the first time they were handling AIDS and then 2020 came and it was the coronavirus.
• 57:22
  So Richard Tarnas said, I don't know what's going to happen in 2020, but every time we're having this,
• 57:28
  there's a virus. So that's a thing. Astrology has a lot in observation of transits through history.
• 57:36
  So every time a transit's going to come, I explain my students what has happened before, the story,
• 57:42
  the history is not going to represent itself exactly the same because we're in another times,
• 57:47
  you know, like war is not going to be the same in 1942, like it's not going to be the same.
• 57:52
  Now we have so much technology. So I present like the basis of the energy and we see it developing
• 58:00
  time is like the same base, but in a different version. If you know what I mean, I don't exactly what you
• 58:06
  mean. For example, this year we had a lot of transits that I've never lived, like for example,
• 58:11
  Neptune kept enteraries. Last time it was 1800s. I was not here. Uranus entered Gemini 84 years ago.
• 58:22
  I wasn't here, but not only I explained my students, students what happened the last time this
• 58:29
  transit came up. I also studied people who was born with it. For example, I was not alive when
• 58:35
  Uranus was in Gemini 84 years ago, but we have some people that were born with this transit,
• 58:42
  and I'm like taking these people and saying, okay, let's see. For example, Trump is one of them.
• 58:48
  He was born with Uranus in Gemini. How would you describe him? This and that. Okay, so this
• 58:56
  transit is starting now. What about these characteristics? You think it's happening.
• 59:01
  So, for example, Uranus in Gemini, you are very radical with your thinking. It's either this or
• 59:08
  that. And another thing that happens with Uranus in Gemini is that you say one thing, but in action,
• 59:13
  you do something completely different. So I never lived the transit, but I explained this to my
• 59:19
  students and just really asked, okay, what have we seen about doing something, saying something,
• 59:27
  doing something completely opposite, and what have we seen about people being very radical
• 59:32
  in their thinking? You know what I mean? I know exactly. So, when you think about the usefulness
• 59:39
  of astrology, you see some sort of how also I describe them like macro trends. You see macro trends
• 59:46
  with a person or personality or an event on earth. What is it not useful for them? What do people
• 59:56
  assume that astrology can tell them that it actually isn't? Like, in some astrology say, like, I know
• 1:00:00
  what's going to happen this afternoon. Is that two micro? Is that two like a vanish use for it?
• 1:00:08
  First, astrology is astrologers. We use what's called an orb. Or is this separation in mathematical
• 1:00:15
  degrees for an event to happen? There's astrologers that use a huge orb and they don't have
• 1:00:21
  precision in their predictions. The other thing is the narrow-minded. For example, seeing a
• 1:00:26
  Pluto transit and saying immediately, this is going to be death because there's other ways
• 1:00:32
  to explain it. For example, the thing that this astrologer saw in my chart, son next to the south
• 1:00:39
  node. He can say, okay, the south node is a point of release. So, if the son that is essence is
• 1:00:45
  next to the south node, your essence is going to be released. And then you can see another astrologer
• 1:00:52
  say, no, the thing is that you help people release all thinking, you know? So, that's why it's
• 1:00:59
  very important to open your mind, keep starting, like, get different point of use. But yes, if you
• 1:01:04
  go into micro trends, for example, just today, the moon is having seven aspects. Like every 20 minutes
• 1:01:13
  and an hour and a half, if I tell you everything that's going to happen today, you're not going to
• 1:01:17
  leave your life. So, I don't focus myself in teeny tiny transits that are just going to drive you
• 1:01:22
  crazy. One of the things I tell the people that follow me is don't come to be the first thing you
• 1:01:27
  do in the morning. Get your mindset going. Like, ask your day, like, how you want your day to be.
• 1:01:33
  Don't look for astrology to tell you how it's going to be. You know, I don't want people
• 1:01:38
  depending on astrology. I don't want people, like, getting this source of faith just in that,
• 1:01:42
  that's not what I want to teach. Because you're going to go crazy. So many things happen
• 1:01:47
  astrologically in a day that micro trends or micro trends, it's just, like, I think they entertain
• 1:01:54
  people. You know what I mean? It's like, if you hold on to it, you're entertained. Like, when you
• 1:01:59
  have a subject that you talk about it all the time, it's good for the coffee table, but it's not
• 1:02:03
  good to leave. That you need to have a life. You need to make your own, your own choices. So, I
• 1:02:08
  focus more on big trends that we're going to see unraveling through time. For people to study,
• 1:02:15
  develop and get a sense of it. I assume people go crazy. If you, if you try and focus on like the
• 1:02:22
  minute by minute, I've seen astrologers, for example, there's a, there are astrologers on X
• 1:02:27
  that every time there's an aspect, they tweet the aspect. So imagine following that and getting
• 1:02:34
  every two minutes, every five minutes, like, this is parallel to that. This is next to that. Like,
• 1:02:40
  you go crazy. And I don't want to, like, me myself, I have no notifications on my phone. I,
• 1:02:46
  I love silence. I would hate to be the person who's always disrupting your attention. If you
• 1:02:52
  know what I mean, for me, attention is very important. I'm not going to post something just for
• 1:02:57
  the means of, like, posting it every time I post something I'm saying to myself, I'm taking
• 1:03:02
  attention from this person. Like, why? People pay attention. You know what I mean? So it's very
• 1:03:09
  important to be conscious of that in my mind. Like, that's what, that's how I think. No, I think
• 1:03:15
  that's smart. I think that's why is I think that, listen, I'm not a big fan of social media in general,
• 1:03:20
  but I think that if you use it for the right way, it can be very beneficial to people, but we don't
• 1:03:26
  need any, any more people just contributing to stress and anxiety and constant, like, information
• 1:03:34
  over, like, it's not healthy. There's enough people already doing it, really, that are just
• 1:03:38
  inundating people with like non-stop, not just astrology, but like, this is happening in the world
• 1:03:45
  over here and this war is happening over here and this bad thing happened over there and like,
• 1:03:50
  I just feel like if you can, if you can give a lot of value to somebody's life, it's beautiful,
• 1:03:54
  but not through just, like, constant bombardment of, like, up to the second.
• 1:04:00
  Sometimes, you know, as I told you before, fear is effective and attention is a business.
• 1:04:08
  You know, and I curate what I watch, I curate what I read because I know how everything is just
• 1:04:14
  going into me and even when I'm telling myself, no, like, I don't believe in this,
• 1:04:19
  it's just everything getting into me. So I try to curate what I consume and I also think
• 1:04:27
  in the same way with what I give. So I'm very respectful of that and a lot of people think
• 1:04:32
  with people like you or me that will leave all day in social media and I don't. Most of the times
• 1:04:39
  I post, I check the comments, but I try to reduce a lot of my time in social media because
• 1:04:46
  that you get so distracted and it's very hard to have a business or to do many things
• 1:04:52
  when your attention is just scattered everywhere. I don't check social through the day.
• 1:04:57
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• 1:05:02
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• 1:05:06
  because you build a community you're there for them and I don't let other people answer comments.
• 1:05:12
  Like, if you see me or if you see a typo, that was me. Like, that was me.
• 1:05:17
  But I don't spend the day just looking at stories this and that. I do at the end of the day
• 1:05:22
  if I see memes and funny things, I send it to my mom and my friends because I need to have a laugh.
• 1:05:29
  But I take very seriously and not taking people's attention for granted or to scare people.
• 1:05:37
  Or for example, another thing that I don't do is like every time somebody dies,
• 1:05:41
  some astrologers start talking about the person who died and saying the transits, I don't do that
• 1:05:47
  because I respect that this is, you're not going to take that for a hook or for engagement.
• 1:05:52
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• 1:05:56
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• 1:06:00
  I don't even like talking about world events in the podcast because I'm like, yes, can I get
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  Do you ever find, I find this interesting because I've never heard of astrologers who
• 1:09:15
  sort of bring all these different disciplines and ideas into their work. Do you ever find
• 1:09:19
  that there's any conflict? So between Kabala and astrology or other things, like do you find
• 1:09:24
  it like a teaching in Kabala runs counter to what you learn in astrology? Oh, yeah. Of course,
• 1:09:33
  traditional astrology and Kabala and Kabalistic astrology will clash all the time because traditional
• 1:09:40
  astrology tells you that something is as it is and that's what it is. If you're a Leo, this is
• 1:09:44
  how you are and who you are. And Kabala poses the question like, really, are you? The main goal in
• 1:09:52
  Kabalistic astrology is that the moment you die, nobody can tell if you were a Leo or a Virgo,
• 1:09:58
  like the whole point of Kabalistic astrology is like, okay, this is the potential,
• 1:10:03
  but you're gonna elevate like above and in the end, you're not labeled. I don't know if I'm
• 1:10:09
  explaining myself. Yeah, you are, but you start with a guide. Astrology is a guide for you.
• 1:10:14
  You have a guide, but the one that I practice, for example, I always give this example because
• 1:10:20
  it's very strong. I was born with Venus in Scorpio. And if you go into traditional astrology,
• 1:10:25
  I'm a jealous person. I'm like super intense. And like, I fall in love once and I never let go.
• 1:10:34
  I am a very passionate person, but instead of using that Venus in scorpion relationships,
• 1:10:39
  I pour it into what I like and I have a return of investment instead of like saying, no,
• 1:10:45
  I'm just gonna love ones. Like, Kabala teaches you how to use that energy for something. Kabala
• 1:10:52
  is sharing. Like, that's the purpose of Kabala. So how do you use that for something? It doesn't,
• 1:10:58
  sometimes it doesn't even have to be good or purposeful, but do something with it. And psychoanalysis
• 1:11:04
  teaches you the same thing. You're mad. Okay, what are we gonna do with it? What do you want to do
• 1:11:08
  with that energy? You know what I mean? Like, everything has a, I use in my, in my mind. Like,
• 1:11:14
  something to do with it. Why is traditional astrology so rigid? Like, how does that help anybody?
• 1:11:21
  You know what? I don't think it's rigid. It's not astrology. It's whoever is framing it.
• 1:11:26
  You know what I mean? But I do think this is changing. I do, I do see that there's like a new
• 1:11:34
  wave of astrologers. It's not about age. They're not all Gen.C. Like, I do believe there's,
• 1:11:40
  there has been an opening and I see more people creating content in a way that is to help you develop.
• 1:11:50
  Instead of framing you, like, or labeling you. I think that labeling side of astrology was very
• 1:11:56
  hard, maybe in the early 2000s, but it has flourished a lot. And I get credit to that. Also, you know,
• 1:12:03
  it's gonna, you're gonna laugh. But there's a lot of people that maybe they're not astrologers,
• 1:12:09
  but then they make like funny content about astrology. Maybe some serious astrologers are gonna
• 1:12:16
  say they don't help the cause. But you know what? I do believe that people that create memes about
• 1:12:22
  astrology are helping to think. Like, two reasons why. First, they bring people to astrology that
• 1:12:30
  maybe would have never gotten into astrology. And I think the more it grows the better, why not?
• 1:12:36
  And second, I love humor. I think teaching with humor is very smart. And if I can teach you something
• 1:12:43
  with humor and you can see the light side of something that you up for now, you feel like it's very
• 1:12:48
  heavy. Maybe it opens yourself to, okay, it's not that hard. I'm gonna work on this. You know what I mean?
• 1:12:55
  So I do believe that everything helps a little bit. No, I agree with you. I think that, listen,
• 1:13:00
  if you're trying to influence somebody, and this is again, not just with astrology, but if you're
• 1:13:04
  trying to influence anybody and teach anybody anything, like you have to meet them where they're at.
• 1:13:08
  Exactly. You do. You really have to, I mean, this is why I'll, this is why a lot of like political
• 1:13:14
  people use memes to get an ideology across. Like, this is, it's not that you forget politics,
• 1:13:21
  but the point is like, it works. If you want somebody to understand what you're talking about,
• 1:13:27
  you have to meet them where they're at. And humor and memes, it's like culturally relevant.
• 1:13:32
  Exactly. It's a language. The language that people understand. So, especially if you want to get
• 1:13:36
  a younger generation on board, like you do have to joke around about things. Like don't take
• 1:13:39
  life so seriously either, because that starts the curiosity, right? And they start to learn.
• 1:13:44
  Astrology has a very difficult language if you don't know it. You hear about trying sex,
• 1:13:48
  those conjunctions, parallels, and you have no idea. And I know that if you don't know it,
• 1:13:52
  as soon as you hear something like that, you're disengaged. You don't, you can't, because you can
• 1:13:56
  follow it. So, I do believe like speaking to you in a language you can hear. What's my, what's
• 1:14:02
  my goal for you to understand me? Yes or no? So, that always think what's your end goal?
• 1:14:08
  Also, always think I see a lot of people not in astrology in life. Like talking about relationships
• 1:14:15
  in general, not a lot of relationships. Like, this is how it affects me. And this is happening to
• 1:14:20
  me. It's like, you happen to other people too. Are you aware of how you happen to other people?
• 1:14:26
  So, I'm always like very aware of, okay, when I say this, is this going to make people understand
• 1:14:33
  or no? And I use the simplest language or the simplest examples in real life. I feel like I
• 1:14:39
  create astrology for people like me. Like, I want to connect with something, but I want to understand
• 1:14:44
  and be able to carry on with my life. So, I think the simplest way, the better. Your message has to
• 1:14:49
  be like water that goes everywhere. Talk to me about, talk to me about spiritual bypassing.
• 1:14:56
  So, what is spiritual bypassing? Because I think that that's, I mean, we spoke a lot about like,
• 1:15:02
  not just removing personal responsibility because you believe in something. You can't just remove
• 1:15:08
  personal responsibility. But I've never heard that term before. What spiritual bypassing is when
• 1:15:13
  you use anything spiritual to avoid responsibility, for example. Oh, that's literally what it is.
• 1:15:18
  It is. But example, in the world of astrology, it would be, I forgot to come to the podcast,
• 1:15:24
  even though we had agreement because Mercury was retrograde. You know what I mean? Or, for example,
• 1:15:30
  yes, I reacted in this explosive way. The moon was conjunct Mars today. So, if you come to me with any
• 1:15:37
  of those things, my dog ate the homework, forget it. But also in life. So, what's spirituality for you?
• 1:15:44
  Let me ask you. For me, it's believing something bigger than myself. It's being put on this earth to
• 1:15:51
  to be a good moral ethical person to try and do my best to give value to the world to
• 1:16:00
  not leave a legacy in terms of like people remembering my name, but leave a legacy with my kids
• 1:16:04
  so that they can carry on my values in next generation. That's spirituality. It's just like doing
• 1:16:11
  good beyond myself. That's how I see it. That's great. For me, spirituality is okay. There's a spirit,
• 1:16:17
  a spirit that came into this body and in this earth, in this finite, like, we're material beings,
• 1:16:25
  right? And it's seen beyond the material. Like, for example, we're just talking, but maybe this
• 1:16:34
  can spark something beyond you and I, something like that. For a lot of people, spirituality is
• 1:16:42
  meditating every day or going to temple or church every day or every week.
• 1:16:48
  Doing yoga all the time. You don't have an idea of how many angry messages I get from people
• 1:16:56
  saying that I'm not spiritual because I use makeup or from people saying that I'm not spiritual
• 1:17:01
  because I charge my business. For me, spirituality is, there's one line. I do what I'm saying.
• 1:17:11
  I'm going to do. I do think on the consequences of things that I'm going to do and I try to see
• 1:17:16
  things not as just like I take it for granted. Like, I just what I see. There's a 99% of everything I see.
• 1:17:24
  You know what I mean? Like, whatever I see in this material world, this is the last step of
• 1:17:31
  manifestation. Whatever material we see, it came from an idea. It came from an energy.
• 1:17:36
  For me being spiritual is never to forget that there's something beyond what we just can see.
• 1:17:43
  So I remember going into this class and the teacher saying, for me, it's more spiritual that if
• 1:17:51
  a person breaks my window, come into me and saying, I'm sorry, I broke your window and maybe I cannot
• 1:17:57
  pay you today, but I'm going to take responsibility for this. Of a person coming and saying, I broke
• 1:18:03
  a window, but I'm going to pray and I'm going to this and I said, you have a responsibility.
• 1:18:08
  Everything else that you take as an excuse, not to take responsibility is a bypass.
• 1:18:13
  And I do take this also into astrology. When I see people saying, no, this happened to me because
• 1:18:19
  of this and that. For example, no, I have a mental fault because Mercury is opposing Saturn and I'm
• 1:18:25
  like, girl, if you've been with a mental fault for a long time, do a hormone panel. Maybe there's
• 1:18:31
  mold in your house, like, do a hormone panel. No, like being realistic, like, we have, I call this
• 1:18:38
  the school in the sense like, okay, I'm a spirit, I'm a spirit that incarnated and having this
• 1:18:43
  experience, what am I going to do with this? But I do have to take responsibility into account.
• 1:18:49
  I do have to like take ownership of the things I'm doing on my mistakes on everything.
• 1:18:55
  Always knowing that I'm not what we said before. This God or this ego, you know what I mean?
• 1:19:02
  I like that. One quote that you have that I thought was really, really smart was,
• 1:19:08
  and I think this ties into spiritual bypassing, getting rid of all responsibility, assuming
• 1:19:14
  that anything bad that happens in your life is not your fault at all. But the quote is,
• 1:19:18
  you'll never be happy if you get rid of unhappiness because you've got to be fully alive to get
• 1:19:23
  happier. So I think that I don't know if this is too much of a stretch, but I feel like if people
• 1:19:27
  use spiritual bypassing and they say that everything bad in their life is not their fault,
• 1:19:32
  they're not taking ownership of it so they can't actually enjoy the things that are good in their
• 1:19:37
  life because they've never really taken ownership over the bad. You know, there's also the people
• 1:19:41
  that say everything happens for a reason, you know? But why do you think that is? Because we're
• 1:19:47
  meaning-making machines. Whatever happens, your brain is going to find a way to say, oh,
• 1:19:52
  this is why it happens like an association. I believe that when you understand how the mind
• 1:19:59
  works, how the body works, how energy works too, you understand that all the range of emotions
• 1:20:06
  serve something, so you can't deny any of those parts. Like going back to the spiritual and the
• 1:20:13
  material part, let's say that being spiritual is just, I'm completely detached from the material
• 1:20:22
  but how are you going to completely detach from your health or taking care of your body or
• 1:20:28
  like, for example, caring, you have a family or caring for your family and caring to provide for
• 1:20:34
  them. If you have a family, it's in the most spiritual thing to like think about how you're
• 1:20:40
  going to provide for them. So that's a thing. I think that anything that detaches you and takes you
• 1:20:45
  into a extreme is not going to help you leave what you came to leave, you know? All the contrast
• 1:20:53
  is what makes like the Jews happen. So I think the terms have to be changing around spirituality
• 1:21:02
  or the spiritual bypass and really connect the 360 of what we are. That quote you mentioned about
• 1:21:09
  unhappiness. Yes, you need that contrast to see. You need your mistakes to like, but you need to
• 1:21:15
  believe your mistakes or your own. Exactly. Yeah, but also your emotions are your own. Like everything
• 1:21:23
  is happening within you, understand it and create from it. Don't run away from it. Even like
• 1:21:28
  everything serves something as I said, sometimes I have done things out of trauma. For example,
• 1:21:37
  when you ask me, did you do this because you want to try to prove this guy wrong that I don't
• 1:21:44
  believe that's one of my pillars. But for example, I'm the kind of person that if my gas tank is
• 1:21:49
  in the middle, I want to feel it right away. And I know that's a trauma response of some like
• 1:21:54
  other things, but it serves something. Once you see that, you know what to do with it. So when
• 1:22:01
  you see happiness and unhappiness, once you appreciate unhappiness, you own it and you say,
• 1:22:06
  okay, this is part of it. Okay, you create something out of it. Like don't neglect one of your
• 1:22:11
  mistakes or experiences because everything adds to where you're going to go in life. You know what I
• 1:22:16
  mean? And I know exactly what you mean. Do you feel or do you see with people that gravitate toward
• 1:22:23
  astrology, they are looking at it as a bandaid for something in their life? Just a general, like
• 1:22:30
  speaking generalities, not everyone obviously, but do you feel like the majority of people,
• 1:22:35
  you have to sort of reframe what it's actually for as opposed to what they're looking for?
• 1:22:40
  Yeah, and I think that happens with love, but it happens in every time because for example,
• 1:22:44
  this type of podcast that you do, I still do this day. Like one of the first things if I have time
• 1:22:50
  in the morning is I listen to something inspirational. And I know it's a bandaid sometimes,
• 1:22:55
  but it helps me to break imaginary glass ceilings. Sometimes when you interview somebody that
• 1:23:01
  tells something that resonates with me, like you can use anything as a bandaid. Yes, astrology
• 1:23:08
  is going to have like this, it's like a huge bandaid, but it depends on how you guide them.
• 1:23:15
  Am I going to allow for it to continue to be a bandaid? Once you come into my content and you
• 1:23:21
  start hearing, oh, but how do you handle this? Is this your responsibility? Maybe I'm not that
• 1:23:28
  content creator that is going to rock you to sleep. Maybe I'm more like a soft slap.
• 1:23:35
  Like that. Maybe like a soft cosmic slap, but I never, I say this in my membership all the time.
• 1:23:44
  I don't expect to you for being this membership forever. I just expect for you to get the grounds
• 1:23:50
  and move on like graduate from it. What has been because obviously, astrology and Kabbal and literally
• 1:23:58
  everything you've brought into your life has been for some some version of personal growth. It's
• 1:24:02
  all the personal growth. What has been the most impactful personal growth that you've gotten?
• 1:24:08
  What has changed in your life the most of the things that have studied? Yeah, what has really
• 1:24:13
  actually helped you? Honestly, Kabbalah. And what did it do for you? Because this mindset of being
• 1:24:23
  more proactive in the sense of, am I going to let this be like a step down or a step stone?
• 1:24:31
  As I said, we're meaning making machines. So the Titanic for someone is a love boat for another
• 1:24:38
  one. It's just perspective. I do believe it's convenient for you to try to see something that is
• 1:24:44
  hard. Okay, this is going to polish me or this is going to give me the strength that I know I have.
• 1:24:52
  I mean, it's convenient for you to think that way. I do believe that if you're going to create a
• 1:24:57
  mindset, create a mindset that helps you. Not a mindset that makes you feel under your potential.
• 1:25:04
  So I do believe like that mindset, even though it's like an narrative, it is like that a program,
• 1:25:09
  it has helped me go through very difficult times. Is the ability to choose how I want to see
• 1:25:16
  something? And I'm not always choosing to see the circumstances like, no, this is nothing.
• 1:25:21
  This is only unicorns. I try to see it as an objective way, but the way that I talk to myself.
• 1:25:28
  You know what I mean? It has changed the way that I talk to myself.
• 1:25:32
  Another thing that really changed me is meditation. And I know it's actually
• 1:25:38
  shit, but the things that I'm not impatient. My mind is always thinking, creating. So for me,
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  sitting down and just breathe was very hard. I'm always doing something. But it made a click
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  when I was finally able to do it. And I don't do it every day, honestly. But when I catch myself,
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  the way that I talk, like the way that I talk to myself, a lot of people, you know,
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  you talk to yourself every day. And a lot of people are not aware of the words they use.
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  I've seen people saying, I'm so stupid. You know, it happens all the time. And I do believe
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  that creates your self concept. A thousand percent it does. Also from like a biological response.
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  And then you feel it. Yes. If you say, I'm stressed, I'm stressed, I'm stressed.
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  Yeah. You get stressed. You cordless. And this is scientifically proven. So
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  Kabala made me pause. Then I got into meditation. And then I started changing the way that I talk
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  to myself. And then I got into the daily pages. I don't know if you've heard of the daily page.
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  This writing deal? Yeah. No, I've never heard of daily pages, but I also write every day just
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  for my own mental health to be quite honest. Change for like this was a game changer. Like
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  free flow writing. No, I used to do the free flow writing daily pages. I don't know if that's like
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  a trademark thing. I have no idea. That's how I call it. Every day I write, in present time,
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  things that I want for me to have like I wanted to happen. For example, like I want this podcast
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  to go well. No, no. This podcast is going. It's going to go well. Or for example, I'm patient,
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  I'm kind. I'm a patient listener. It's not it's something that I want to develop,
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  but you write it in present time. And the things that your brain doesn't fact check all of these.
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  So when you say it, let's say you're going to call me. And I'm like, I want to be patient. No,
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  I'm patient. I'm kind. I'm a patient listener. There's more probability for me to be a patient
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  listener when you're talking to me than just going in out of pilot. So I do this every day
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  on things that I want. I write in present time. And in that moment, you start creating the
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  neuropath ways for that to happen. And you just practice and practice and practice. So let's say
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  this week before every meeting that I have, I'm a leader. I'm a patient leader. Let's say that I
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  do this for five meetings that I have this week. And then next week I do it before three meetings.
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  I'm already practicing it. So it goes developing. It's like a new way of being. It's like that
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  fake it till you make it. Except you are literally you're literally taking on the persona of that
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  thing. And then you actually become that thing. For me, it has work. It has work. I started doing it
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  last year. And for me, it has work. But it depends on how you do it. I get some people do it like,
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  I am a millionaire. I am like, I do things on traits that I want to like see better in myself.
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  This example that I just gave is like my typical daily page on patient. I listen.
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  Like those things that I know that because I always go fast and I think very fast. So it has
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  created like this new persona until you're that persona. You know what I mean?
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  If people are consuming your content and they know your content and they're looking to help
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  themselves change their lives, something's going wrong in their life and they're looking to
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  astrology or listening to this podcast and they and they just are looking for guidance.
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  You've said that you cannot remove personal responsibility. But what is the advice to somebody
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  who's struggling and looking for wisdom in astrology, Kabbalah with your content, anything else?
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  Where do they go? Who do they listen to? Where do they start? I try to share content in my stories.
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  And also I have two channels on Instagram where I live like boys. I love boys notes. So
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  I think that's one of the things that I love the most about that platform. If they're following me,
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  follow me on Instagram because that's if I'm going to share that's where I share the most.
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  The channels allow me like to leave boys notes and I always leave boys notes that are not related
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  to astrology are more like reflections of the day. And a lot of people tell me like this reflection
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  of the day has helped me a lot, helped me see something in a different way. So I would start there.
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  Just like looking at the stories in the stories, I always start the day with what the moon is doing,
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  not telling you what to do, like how the Bible is. And then I share inspirational things
• 1:30:23
  that motivate you to like take a step forward, take a step forward. I know that the membership is
• 1:30:29
  not for everyone, not everyone wants to study astrology. But I do believe like the boys notes,
• 1:30:36
  the stories. I also share a lot of posts with you're not going to realize that is astrology or
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  cabala. But it is related. For example, yesterday I spoke in a post about collaboration like the
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  importance of collaborating with other people because we're in Libra season and Libra is to
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  collaborate. So as I told you, astrology is like this umbrella and I'm teaching you about it,
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  sometimes without even you knowing that it's happening. But you know where the wisdom is coming
• 1:31:08
  from and this is how you should interpret it. Exactly. Like I'm trying, I always, I ask myself,
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  what do I want people to feel when they enter into any of my pages? And I want people to feel
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  inspired, to feel energy and to feel like I want to like seize the day like that way. So I always try
• 1:31:25
  to share stuff like that, not with unique currents and candy candy, but like with a realistic
• 1:31:30
  approach, like an everyday approach, simple things. But I'm very aware of how I want people to feel.
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  So start there, start in the story, start simple, start reading to see if it resonates with you.
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  If it doesn't resonate with you, it doesn't matter. It's all good. I have a lot of people that day
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  to day question me like, astrology is not a science. It doesn't work and I don't fight with anybody.
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  I feel like everybody should take what serves for them in the moment. And if it sparks something,
• 1:31:58
  they'll continue. But I don't believe in forcing or improving anything like trying to prove something
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  to somebody. No, I don't believe in that. And if people want to use it as a tool, not again,
• 1:32:10
  to remove responsibility, but to better understand themselves, they'll start to consume your content.
• 1:32:16
  But what is the actual place where you can actually start to learn who you are?
• 1:32:20
  Membership. That is like in the membership. Right now, I give classes three times per week.
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  And it's going to help you like, if you're really basic, intermediate or advanced,
• 1:32:33
  you're going to find something for you. It's not only going to teach you to understand your chart,
• 1:32:38
  but also understand the language of astrology. Also, every Monday, I give this class that is not
• 1:32:44
  about astrology, but about mindset, like how your brain works, how to change your mindset,
• 1:32:49
  how to like be aware of your self-concept, like catching your bias or the things that you don't see,
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  and we're like growing into this. I don't believe, I love astrology, but I believe that it needs
• 1:33:00
  to work with other tools that make people take responsibility. Because when you first encounter
• 1:33:06
  astrology, you're talking about planets that are out there. And sometimes you believe that the
• 1:33:11
  fault is in the stars. So with either Kabbalah mindset, I give people other tools to say,
• 1:33:18
  hey, I'm here. So this is what we're doing this week. And I do have continuity. For example,
• 1:33:24
  this Monday goes with next Monday. So you're like growing step by step by step. So I do feel like
• 1:33:30
  there's like, I'm accountable for these people. So I keep like developing the tools one by one.
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  We'll tell you where to start, how to go step by step in the membership if you're new to it.
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  And people love it. Like people feel like they understand everything. Sometimes yes, it's like,
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  oh, like I'm behind in classes. Like this class was one hour. Some people love long classes.
• 1:33:54
  Other people did like go slower. I do understand that. That's why I do believe like, if you really
• 1:34:01
  want to get to know yourself, if you really want to have a pass in your life, like, okay, I'm
• 1:34:06
  going to take this class 30 minutes for me. It's an excellent tool. It's like an amazing way to
• 1:34:11
  start. My goal is for you to listen to yourself. Like have that moment. Some people do it in yoga,
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  some people do it in other things. Yesterday, one of the students told me, like, you have no idea,
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  like just listening to you. Sometimes I'm listening to you. And I'm not doing like reaching my
• 1:34:28
  chart or checking my chart, but just taking a pass and listening to you is like the moment that I
• 1:34:33
  have with myself. So whatever helps girl, whatever. I love it. Last thing I always like to ask,
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  if you've learned so much over your life, and now you teach a whole bunch of different
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  topics to your to your students and your community. But if you had to pick one idea that was one
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  of the more impactful ideas, it's really helped shape your life. You could be teaching it to your
• 1:34:57
  20 year old self, your younger self. You could be it could be a lesson that you'd want to pass
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  on to the next generation, just something that really stands out. What would that lesson be and why?
• 1:35:06
  I'm taking this question as if I have to say something to my younger self. And I would say that
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  you create your own destiny. Like for me to believe that there are trends and energetic trends,
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  not like fashion trends. Like to believe that there are energetic trends, to believe that for sure,
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  there's things that we came to experience in this life, but that I have the freedom to choose
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  how I'm going to transit these situations. I think that has been my biggest learning,
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  to feel like that I have a choice, that I'm not in just that this little box and everything is
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  written. And I'm just condemned to have certain life. You know, I do believe we have like,
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  I came to me this person and I came to do this and that. But you can always choose how.
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  You know what I mean? Like the how is up to you.