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Steve Price | 25 October · Steve Price

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  Speaker 1: Live. This is Steve Price.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Friday Night polling day in Queensland tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: Don't we all love an election now?
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  Speaker 2: Reports in The Australian Today say that despite going into
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  Speaker 2: the four week election campaign well ahead.
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  Speaker 1: That the LMP leader David Chris.
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  Speaker 2: A Fuley and his party are losing ground all because
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  Speaker 2: of their small target strategy. Now that was predicted by
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  Speaker 2: our Friday Night regular Campbell Newman a month ago.
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  Speaker 1: We'll catch up with him shortly.
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  Speaker 2: Also coming up twelve days encounting to another election, Donald
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  Speaker 2: Trump versus Kamala Harris and it's been a bruising week
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  Speaker 2: for both candidates. Coachagada on what to expect in the
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  Speaker 2: vital final week of campaigning, we can't wait for that
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  Speaker 2: to happen. And on domestic politics, housing availability and affordability,
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  Speaker 2: along with energy policy and the cost of living are
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  Speaker 2: shaping up as the key federal election issues for next year.
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  Speaker 2: Victorian premieres Center Alan today said she wants to make
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  Speaker 2: Welvin the town house capital of Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever that means, what a joke?
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  Speaker 2: The Victorian Opposition a weigh in on that and with
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  Speaker 2: our panel Amanda Rose and Joe hildebrand Art as we
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  Speaker 2: know as in the eye of the beholder. But what
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  Speaker 2: exactly are US taxpayers paying for? But first up tonight, chilling,
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  Speaker 2: how issues dominating the US presidential election are the very
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  Speaker 2: same issues that are going to dominate our own federal
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  Speaker 2: election whenever that might be held in twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 2: You start with cost of living. That's number one. It
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  Speaker 2: includes interest rates for people paying off mortgages, supermarket inflation
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  Speaker 2: with fresh food prices through the roof. Number two is immigration,
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  Speaker 2: largely illegal immigration in the US, while here it's the
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  Speaker 2: level of migrants being let into our country. We need
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  Speaker 2: a debate on that. Number three is energy. Now in
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  Speaker 2: the US, Donald Trump wants to wind back the rush
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  Speaker 2: to renewables. Here, it's much the same with the added
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  Speaker 2: argument around nuclear being in the mix only. And I
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  Speaker 2: think this is the big sleeping issue. Housing and the
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  Speaker 2: housing crisis as we call it now in the US,
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  Speaker 2: they have a housing crisis caused by too many people
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  Speaker 2: and not enough houses. Sound familiar at home. I believe
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  Speaker 2: this will be a very big issue come next March
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  Speaker 2: or May, whenever Albanieze calls the election. And unlike the
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  Speaker 2: other three issues, the housing crisis. It crosses borders, and
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  Speaker 2: it involves every level of government, federal, state and local,
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  Speaker 2: and it collides with the immigration issue. Simply, in my view,
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  Speaker 2: we're allowing more people into the country than we can house.
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty simple, really, Prime Minister ambldeasy Well he promised
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  Speaker 2: to cut the levels of migration, but he's not done it.
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  Speaker 2: I believe he's running with his state premiers a Ponzi
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  Speaker 2: scheme to prop up the economic outlook of our country.
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  Speaker 2: Now this is going to come back to buy federal
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  Speaker 2: and state labor governments. How is it that a country
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  Speaker 2: that I grew up in that young people today and
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  Speaker 2: I've got two daughters in this position, despite them have
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  Speaker 2: both got good jobs, will unless they're assisted by their parents,
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  Speaker 2: be unable to buy a house or an apartment. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I just can't believe that. You know, in fifty years
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  Speaker 2: we've got to this point where youngsters can't buy a home.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't help that their jobs. My daughter's jobs are
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  Speaker 2: in Sydney.
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  Speaker 1: But as a.
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  Speaker 2: Younger bloke, I moved from a cheaper place to buy property,
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  Speaker 2: Adelaide to Melbourne, but still managed eventually in my late
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  Speaker 2: twenties to buy a house prices seemed high, but they
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  Speaker 2: weren't really, and if you could scrape together a deposit,
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  Speaker 2: the repayments, at least on my salary at the time,
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  Speaker 2: were pretty easy to pay. So in twenty twenty four,
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  Speaker 2: young Australians are staring at at best buying in far
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  Speaker 2: flung out of suburbs, inner city tiny apartments, or if possible,
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  Speaker 2: moving to regional and rural towns. There's a lot worse
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  Speaker 2: things you could do than that, by the way, and
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  Speaker 2: guess what, Despite all the promises and all the so
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  Speaker 2: called money being pledged in housing policy, and the ludicrous
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  Speaker 2: numbers of houses to be built that are being promised
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  Speaker 2: by the government, the crisis just keeps getting work. Now
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  Speaker 2: this week we learn thanks to the Australian newspaper today,
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  Speaker 2: that Federal Labour's housing support program that's what it's called,
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  Speaker 2: has poured tens of millions of dollars into surprise, surprise,
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  Speaker 2: marginal battleground and safe labor seats. Jeff Chambers in The
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  Speaker 2: Australian has revealed three million dollars went to Anthony Albanese's
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  Speaker 2: local council to build houses up no chance, three million
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  Speaker 2: dollars for planning studies and reviews. Can you believe that
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  Speaker 2: Jeff claims a twenty three point six million dollars went
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  Speaker 2: into labor seats alone, seven million only found its way
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  Speaker 2: to coalition seats and another three and a half million
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  Speaker 2: dollars to state labor governments. No houses built though not
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  Speaker 2: a house now. If true, and I've got no doubt
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  Speaker 2: it is, then this is pork barreling on a massive scale.
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  Speaker 2: Something in Albanezi in opposition accused Scott Morrison and his
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  Speaker 2: government are doing now in Victoria, the broke labor government
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  Speaker 2: here has spent all week making housing announcements every day,
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  Speaker 2: one a day by the premier. And guess what it's
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  Speaker 2: all about politics? It's not about building houses. Premier de
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  Speaker 2: center Alan last Sunday, Can you believe this? Snuck in
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  Speaker 2: the back door of a locked pub in Ritzy Brighton
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  Speaker 2: to announce she was declaring a bunch of suburbs with
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  Speaker 2: train stations and trains and trams would be ordered to
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  Speaker 2: fast track planning approval for multi story apartment towers, some
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  Speaker 2: of them as high as twenty stories. Now, an angry
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  Speaker 2: mob turned out at the front of the pub and
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  Speaker 2: the pub doors were locked and the suburb where Allan
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  Speaker 2: will fast track these flats. Where are they Brighton, Tuap, Hawksburn, Malvern,
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  Speaker 2: South Yarra.
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  Speaker 1: What's the common there?
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  Speaker 2: All non labor seats, most if not all, those seats
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  Speaker 2: that labor will never win at any election. Ever, her
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  Speaker 2: contempt for non labour Victorians on full show, and she
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  Speaker 2: keeps calling these cookie cutter flats of hers homes. In
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  Speaker 2: reality they are apartments that will smash local traffic that
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  Speaker 2: already struggles. There's no extra schools planned for these areas,
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  Speaker 2: doctors in those areas are already booked out, and who
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  Speaker 2: exactly is going to be I would afford to buy
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  Speaker 2: a flat in two rac can go shopping there. Look,
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  Speaker 2: I feel sad for the many hard working young Australians
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  Speaker 2: who will never get a foot on the property ladder.
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  Speaker 2: And trust me, this is going to be a massive
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  Speaker 2: issue come election time and the party that has a real,
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  Speaker 2: not imagined housing policy to fix it will.
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  Speaker 1: Win in a landslide.
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  Speaker 2: Well on the poles. Queensland is as we know, go
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  Speaker 2: to the polls this weekend. It's been a rough and
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  Speaker 2: tumble campaign in my view, and then typically Queensland end
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  Speaker 2: of the contest, Premier Stephen Miles ended up hooning around
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  Speaker 2: today on a jet ski in his Budgee smugglers. And
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  Speaker 2: if the Pols are to believed, there has been a
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  Speaker 2: last minute collapse in support for LMP leader David Chris Fooley.
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  Speaker 2: Now it might be blamed in part on his small
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  Speaker 2: target campaigning strategy. Ironically, something predicted by Friday Night regular
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  Speaker 2: Campbell Newman weeks ago. Queensland could be headed from minority government,
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  Speaker 2: which would be a desire everyone. Campbell Newman well front
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  Speaker 2: Sky's election coverage tomorrow night, along with Anastagia Palash. I
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  Speaker 2: can't wait to watch it, Campbell. Great to be with
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  Speaker 2: you again. You tipped it. You said he should not
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  Speaker 2: make himself a small target.
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  Speaker 3: I'm afraid it is coming to pass in exactly the
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  Speaker 3: way that we've talked about previously. Steve and misconcerned me
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  Speaker 3: for a long time. And it's like this nature abhors
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  Speaker 3: a vacuum. If you don't fill that vacuum in politics,
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  Speaker 3: the media will write the narrative themselves. I do think that,
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  Speaker 3: and I was just telling some people in the career males,
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  Speaker 3: some journalists, that I think the media has been unfair
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  Speaker 3: in this campaign. They've put a lot of pressure and
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  Speaker 3: a blow torture the spotlight on Christoph Falley. That's fair enough,
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  Speaker 3: but they haven't on a government that is essentially burning
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  Speaker 3: charge here for thirty of the last thirty five years.
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  Speaker 3: So if Queensland today is not the way that the
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  Speaker 3: viewers whom I be watching from Queensland the seventy one, well,
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  Speaker 3: it's the Labor Party's health system, it's the Labor parties
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  Speaker 3: sort of cost of living crisis, is the Labor Party's
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  Speaker 3: crime crisis, and that hasn't come through loud and clear.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm afraid it is he is coming to pass.
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  Speaker 3: And in terms of the numbers, don't lie. In five
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  Speaker 3: weeks try this, Steve. In five weeks the polling shows
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  Speaker 3: that Miles has gone from a net favorability of minus
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  Speaker 3: ten to minus three, so.
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  Speaker 4: He's on the up.
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  Speaker 3: In contrast, Chris of Foley's gone from plus twelve to
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  Speaker 3: minus three, which is not really where you want to
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  Speaker 3: be at this stage of a very important election campaign.
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  Speaker 2: You can't ignore those numbers. You're quite right, you'll love
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  Speaker 2: this piece of analysis. I think I read it in
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  Speaker 2: the Financial Review today, which made the argument that Chris
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  Speaker 2: fully and the people around him have deliberately designed this
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  Speaker 2: small target strategy because quote, they don't want him to
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  Speaker 2: do a Campbell Newman and get in there and make
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  Speaker 2: all of these big changes and then be a one
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  Speaker 2: term government.
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  Speaker 3: What do you say to that, Well, look, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I continue to be blown away by the fact that
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  Speaker 3: the LNP don't understand. I don't understand what actually happened
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  Speaker 3: in twenty fifteen and why we lost that election. They've
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  Speaker 3: taken all the wrong lessons and I can tear it out.
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  Speaker 3: We didn't lose because we had a big majority. We
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  Speaker 3: lost for a range of reasons. I'm happy to explore
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  Speaker 3: that more detail, and I've got lots of time tomorrow night.
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  Speaker 4: But that is just a preposterous sort of thesis.
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  Speaker 3: And you don't go into an election campaign looking to
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  Speaker 3: sort of pull your punches or fall short. It's like
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  Speaker 3: running one hundred meters dash and looking over your shoulder.
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  Speaker 4: You've got to run for that line.
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  Speaker 3: You've got to be aggressive, you've got to be positive,
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  Speaker 3: you've got to have an agenda, you've got to have
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  Speaker 3: a vision, and you've got to make every single day count.
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  Speaker 4: And it's not about sort of thinking.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, well, I don't want to quite win big that's
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  Speaker 3: just rubbish and they will need the buffer.
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  Speaker 4: Look, if they want to.
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  Speaker 3: Be an effective government, they need to make tough decisions
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  Speaker 3: because Queensland demands it right now and they will.
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  Speaker 4: Need an electoral buffer.
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  Speaker 3: But again tomorrow night, if people tune in, I'm sure
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  Speaker 3: there'll be lots more to say about the lessons that
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  Speaker 3: they failed to learn.
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  Speaker 2: We'll be tuning in. Don't you worry about that. I've
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  Speaker 2: got dinner organized. I'll be sitting watching every minute of it.
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  Speaker 1: How much did the.
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  Speaker 2: Insertion of the abortion argument damage Chris of fully do
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  Speaker 2: you believe?
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  Speaker 3: Look last week on this program with you, I think
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  Speaker 3: I got it wrong. I was sort of at the
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  Speaker 3: time essentially saying I didn't think it was having as
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  Speaker 3: big an impact as I think it actually has. So
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  Speaker 3: I want to correct that tonight. And here's why it
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  Speaker 3: made an impact. It's not the issue of able itself. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: for the women who are watching this evening, who have
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  Speaker 3: strong views either way, it's important to them. But what
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  Speaker 3: made it worse, Steve, was the prevarication, the obfuscation, And
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  Speaker 3: what we finally got in the third debate was a
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  Speaker 3: clear answer from Chris of Fawley, whether you agree or not,
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  Speaker 3: he said, I support a woman's right to choose. He
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  Speaker 3: said yes, he had a one word response, But that
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  Speaker 3: was late in the debate. Now, if it said that
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  Speaker 3: two weeks ago, we wouldn't have had night after night
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  Speaker 3: these questions from journalists and been played out to everyone
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  Speaker 3: at home where the Blakes were watching, going can this
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  Speaker 3: guy make a call on something? That's what's been damaging,
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  Speaker 3: And that's on top of other answers on other sort
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  Speaker 3: of important issues, you know, for example, election costings or
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  Speaker 3: the like. And I don't think that's helped one little bit.
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  Speaker 3: So now there's a lesson. You've got to be able
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  Speaker 3: to answer. You're gonna be able to help.
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  Speaker 2: The problem was he had to be drag kicking and
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  Speaker 2: screaming even for that answer in the third debate, which
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  Speaker 2: was just such a bad look. Did you ever go
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  Speaker 2: campaigning on a jet ski?
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  Speaker 4: Ah?
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  Speaker 3: Well, Steve, not on a jet ski. But I look
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  Speaker 3: with envy when I saw those images. Now, look, I've
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  Speaker 3: done a lot of loo guy, I confess I've tried
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  Speaker 3: to follow the great Peter Beatty, the master of stunts
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  Speaker 3: and spin.
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  Speaker 4: I've swum in.
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  Speaker 3: The dry dock, which wasn't dry, and the Brisbane edge
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  Speaker 3: of the Brisbane River I've dressed up in high.
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  Speaker 4: Vis and thick filled potholes.
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  Speaker 3: I've cut grass for the cameras to demonstrate a council
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  Speaker 3: that wasn't working hard enough. I stand accused, and I
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  Speaker 3: confess my sins. I have been there. I have done
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  Speaker 3: what Stephen Miles has done. So good on him. I
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  Speaker 3: hope he hasn't alarmed the fakes at home when that's
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  Speaker 3: on TV tonight.
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  Speaker 1: You're quite right, Betty was the best. Said no one
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  Speaker 1: can top him.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, how bad seriously for Queensland would a minority
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  Speaker 2: government be either way?
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  Speaker 3: Well, look they're saying no deals, which come on, it's implausible,
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  Speaker 3: it's blaney. I think a deal with the Greens from
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  Speaker 3: a minority labor government would be diabolical. I agree with that,
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  Speaker 3: but you know what if the LNP had to do
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  Speaker 3: a deal with KAP I don't agree with David that
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  Speaker 3: they're the what was his term on just check him
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  Speaker 3: in notes? The chaotic cat is I think that's a
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  Speaker 3: bit glib, you know. I think Robbie Catter is a
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  Speaker 3: fundamentally decent human being and he's representing the interests of
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  Speaker 3: people in the North, and I think he does that effectively.
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  Speaker 3: They've got issues that they want dealt with, and I
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  Speaker 3: don't think it would be a bad thing if Christoph
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  Speaker 3: Fawley had to come to an accommodation with them to
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  Speaker 3: form government. I mean, I think the CAT has made
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  Speaker 3: a big mistake back in twenty fifteen to back Anastasia Palishe.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, I think that perhaps they've learnt from that
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  Speaker 3: and this time around they will support the LNP.
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  Speaker 2: Just finally, I mean, it seems in every election now,
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  Speaker 2: whether it's state or federal, we get a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people voting early. The tip is more than eight hundred
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  Speaker 2: thousand Queensland has already cast their vote. Who does that favor?
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  Speaker 2: Does that favor the LMP or does it favor the incumbent?
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  Speaker 3: Look, I actually think it favors the LMP, Steve. And
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  Speaker 3: that's why I was wary of an exit poll that
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  Speaker 3: was published in the Career Mail sometime back in the
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  Speaker 3: campaign when the pre pole was really getting into its stride,
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  Speaker 3: because I do think it favors for self employed retirees.
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  Speaker 3: Perhaps it's tempered by university students and the like, but
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  Speaker 3: I think it tends more to be the way of
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  Speaker 3: the LNP, and I did check some numbers for the
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  Speaker 3: seat of Clayfield, where of course we in the Libertarian
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  Speaker 3: Party have got Nick Buick standing and I did see
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  Speaker 3: at the pre poll last time it seemed to me
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  Speaker 3: favored the LENP incumbent more than Labor. So that's my
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  Speaker 3: take on it.
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  Speaker 1: Good luck tomorrow night.
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  Speaker 2: LL make sure I'm tuned in and have a great
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  Speaker 2: broadcast to you in Anastasia and the rest of the crew.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you Campbell camp when you're going to be back
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  Speaker 2: with us next Friday night and Neil join Anastasia Palache,
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  Speaker 2: Kieran Gilbert, Andrew Clenell and Peter Kredlin, among many others
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  Speaker 2: as part of the Sky News Queensland decides coverage from
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  Speaker 2: five o'clock tomorrow night at Queensland time. If you're watching
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  Speaker 2: Foxtel and Sky News Regional.
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  Speaker 1: Let's move on now.
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  Speaker 2: A new report out this week I found quite disturbing.
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  Speaker 2: It's found that Australian students are dropping out of university
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  Speaker 2: degrees at record rates now, with just sixty two percent
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  Speaker 2: completing a bachelor's degree within six years, and by comparison,
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  Speaker 2: seventy nine percent of international student udents completed those degrees.
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  Speaker 2: The analysis is from the IPA, the Institute of Public Affairs.
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  Speaker 2: It also found that the number of overseas students, this
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  Speaker 2: is the figure I found staggering attending Australian universities went
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  Speaker 2: from ninety five thousand in the year two thousand to
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  Speaker 2: just under four hundred and fifty in twenty twenty two. Now,
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  Speaker 2: obviously it's a great export business, but that's a huge figure.
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  Speaker 2: For more on this, we're joined by research fellow from
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  Speaker 2: the IPA, Brihanna mckeeth. Thanks for your time, welcome. Did
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  Speaker 2: that number of foreign students studying here surprise you?
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  Speaker 1: Now?
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  Speaker 5: Thanks for having me, Steve. What our research shows is
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  Speaker 5: that there is a fundamental problem with the priorities of
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  Speaker 5: Australian universities and it's really interesting because the univerversity model
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  Speaker 5: has shifted to accommodate international students and that is occurring
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  Speaker 5: at the expense of domestic students.
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  Speaker 6: So it did surprise me. But the incentives there.
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  Speaker 2: So are the Australian students who are abandoning those degrees.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, is it easy to narrow down why that's
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  Speaker 2: happening or is it a range of issues and is
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  Speaker 2: one of those issues that they are struggling in classes
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  Speaker 2: that are dominated by foreign students.
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  Speaker 5: Well, we've seen the rise of remote learning, the lowering
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  Speaker 5: of academic standards, and the deterioration of on campus culture
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  Speaker 5: and also the increase of international students and these are
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  Speaker 5: the reasons that are contributing to the higher than the
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  Speaker 5: normal dropout rates for domestic students. And it's interesting Australians
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  Speaker 5: should be entitled to ask the vice chancellors whose salaries
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  Speaker 5: are propped up by international student fees, about why the
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  Speaker 5: model is no longer delivering for Australian students and international students.
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  Speaker 5: They're an important part of the tertiary landscape. But we
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  Speaker 5: have to make sure that our universities are focused on
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  Speaker 5: domestic students and that they are the number one priority.
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  Speaker 2: Well, clearly they're not the number one priority. And governments,
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  Speaker 2: whether they be federal or state, they're drug addicted to
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  Speaker 2: foreign student numbers. I mean, that's just a fact.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it.
• 18:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's true.
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: And I mean, the research shows that the proportion of
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: international students has gone from fourteen percent in the year
• 18:22
  Speaker 5: two thousand to about a third today. And what our
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: research also established was that gaight universities, they actually most
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: of them have a higher proportion of international students than
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: the national average.
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: And so the incentives are pretty clear here.
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: Universities are focused on revenue raising over teaching, and so
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: ga universities they're clear beneficiaries.
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: Universities more generally.
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: Are clear beneficiaries, and so they are seeking out and
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: getting international students for that reason.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Brianna, Are there any degree categories that are seeing a
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: bigger drop off than others or is it in general?
• 19:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So, actually, what we've seen is that completion rates
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: in degrees like nursing and teaching have gone down. So
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: teaching has completion rates have decreased by twenty seven percent,
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: Nursing completion rates have decreased by ten percent. And these
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: areas where we see key worker shortages at the moment.
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: So clearly the needs and expectations of students are not
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: being met by universities, but also the needs and expectations
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: of industry are.
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: Not being met.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: And when you look at that.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, when you look at teaching social work, those
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: other categories you've got there, they're exactly the sort of
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: skilled workers that we need, which we've got a shortage of.
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: That's exactly right, and what we have seen is that
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: there's a missed opportunity cost for these students. So they're
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: set back when they drop out.
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: They're financially behind, and there's the missed opportunity costs.
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: They're not a to work when they're at university, they're
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: not able to go to a tafe. And this raises
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: the important point, which is that university is not for
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: everyone and there are other avenues that students can pursue.
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: But increasingly the message from government is that students should
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: go to university.
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: And this is at a time when.
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: There are key trade shortages right across the country. And
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: I think we need to see more from the government
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: instead of what we saw on the last budget, which
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: was a tertiary qualification attainment rate of eighty percent by
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: twenty fifty for.
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: The working age population.
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: We need to see governments encouraging students to look at
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: other options to go to tafe vocational learning. The government
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: should be celebrating more options, not just university.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: I think that's absolutely correct, and we should insist that
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: governments do that. I mean, imagine what it's like though
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: you end up with a three quarter finished degree, you
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: don't have it to enhance your employment at opportunities and
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: you're still struggling, as you point out financially with a
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: heck stick.
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well that's absolutely right.
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: So there are these missed opportunity costs students are I mean,
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: the latest Productivity Commission showed that poor quality teaching is
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: leaving students ill equipped to actually enter the workforce and
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: work real jobs. So universities are failing. Academic standards are
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: going down, and much of this is due to the
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: university model shifting is catering for international students, but we
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: really need the focus to be back on domestic students
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: and making sure that learning environment is working for them.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Well, that study is going to certainly encourage that debate
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: to be had. Brianna McKee appreciates your time.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: That's Brianna McKey there from the Institute of Public Affairs.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Now coming up still ahead tonight, the gloves are off
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: in the home stretch in the US election, boys are
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: going to get interesting over the next week, the polls
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: are tight. You've had Donald Trump, Cookie McDonald's this week.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: The latest coming up with Kosher Garda. Will find out
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: what she makes for the last week and next. The
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Victorian government's plans I mentioned this at the start of
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: the show to ease the housing crisis that's backfired on
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: them and why residents in some areas are furious. The
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: stage shadow Housing Ministry of Jomany shout welcome back Friday nights,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: steep price with you.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: Great to have you along.
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: As I mentioned earlier in the program, Victoria's premier just
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: sin to Allen.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: She's gone out.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Today and made a quote saying that she wants to
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: make Melbourne the townhouse capital of Australia. Now I don't
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: even know what that means. And in another crazy claim
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: in a week when she's announced twenty story apartment towers
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: and high density living zones across fifty locations, including blue
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: chip suburbs like Tuak and Malvern, Brighton and South Yarra,
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: I would just ask who's going to buy these places at,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: what price point will they be built at and how
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: long before any of them are actually constructed.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: It's a complete mystery to me.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Incredibly, the Premier announced this plan at the weekend of
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: these activity zones behind the locked doors of a Brighton
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: on a Sunday afternoon. Now, as I said at the
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: top of the program, the housing crisis will be one
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: of the big issues I believe of next year's yet
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: to be announced federal election. We're joined in the studio
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: by the Shadow Minister in Victoria for Housing, Richard Ridden.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I don't really know what to make of this week
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: of announcements. Is there anything real and concrete about anything
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: that's been announced.
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: Well, the one thing we've learned over recent year, Steve,
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: is no announcements from this government can be trusted or believed.
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: Commonwealth Games, you name it, that's what they do. Unfortunately,
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: the sad reality for people looking for an affordable place
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: to live in Victoria.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: The weight's just going to get longer.
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: The government was out today re announcing homes they promised
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: after the failed Commonwealth Games and there's just no end
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: in sight. The budget papers don't even have them starting
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: till twenty twenty eight. There's no solution there for regional Victoria.
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: As to the apartment towers, you can build apartment buildings
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: now in Melbourne if you wanted to. There's plenty of
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: land to put them on in docklands and other places.
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: People aren't building them because they can't afford to the
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: market's so flat, investors are fleeing. These are just big
• 24:07
  Speaker 7: announcements with no substance, no money behind them, and it's
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: just ja Cina Allen trying to look busy.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: It struck me, Richard, that she's gotten in her head
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: that she has to have her Dan Andrews moment. He
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: had his level crossing plan that he was the instituted
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: and he took out level crossings and built those big,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: ugly train stations up in the air. Is this her moment,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: her level crossing moments? She's going to.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Tie her hope to be re elected.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: As premier in two years time to the fact that
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: she's going to build a whole lot of houses.
• 24:40
  Speaker 7: Look, she can try to, but the whole housing management
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: is a disaster.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: What are the developers telling you.
• 24:45
  Speaker 7: The developers are telling me that they just do not
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: have confidence here in Victoria. They know it takes still
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: way too long. They know that the planning issues are
• 24:55
  Speaker 7: not right, the regulations for rentals and developers are just
• 24:59
  Speaker 7: over the top, and it just keeps getting harder. And
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: what we know is that no matter how much money
• 25:04
  Speaker 7: this government throws at things, they're not making the problem better.
• 25:07
  Speaker 7: Just remember Steve, four billion dollars nearly has been spent
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: on their big fail, I mean the big housing build
• 25:14
  Speaker 7: four billion. They've actually gone back two seven hundred bedrooms,
• 25:18
  Speaker 7: fifty four homes. They're going backwards. I mean, what type
• 25:22
  Speaker 7: of clever is required to spend that much money and
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: go backwards so far?
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: This sends people crazy because I mean they've jacked up
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: property taxes right across the state.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, the.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Land tax issue is huge. Why would a develop a
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: bother putting up an apartment block like that. It's not
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: going to attract investors because of people don't want to
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: pay land tax.
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: And it's not a solution.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: It's not a solution. Solution.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: The solution is positive because I mean, with this government,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: you all have to be negative.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: What would you do well?
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: The first solution is the government flagged medium density is
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: a solution. The opposition in Victoria agree with that medium
• 25:59
  Speaker 7: density is, but they medium density means no, it's not
• 26:02
  Speaker 7: even in heights. It's just better using the land we've
• 26:05
  Speaker 7: already got in the suburbs about height in a sense.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: I mean you saw the reaction in Brighton at the weekend,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: the popular locals turned up outside the pub Brighton and Tuak.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: You know it sounds like just cinder Allen is just
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: builting the tops. That's not places for twenty story.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: No, that's my point.
• 26:24
  Speaker 7: Medium density across how established suburbs is a real solution.
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: It will densify. At the moment, we're down to less
• 26:30
  Speaker 7: than two people per house on average. You put two
• 26:33
  Speaker 7: houses on the one block, you're suddenly doubling the mount
• 26:35
  Speaker 7: of space. That'll provide a huge opportunity for Victoria. We've
• 26:38
  Speaker 7: got land out in our growth suburbs, the greenfield sites
• 26:42
  Speaker 7: that're just taking far too long to come to market.
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: The solution is quicker planning approvals, better infrastructure. Instead of
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: spending you know, one hundred billion dollars on a tunnel
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: no one's asked for. If we put that into freeway
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: off ramps, into train stations that have been promised for decades,
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: If we put that in to making Melbourne livable again,
• 27:02
  Speaker 7: making it the most livable city for the people that
• 27:05
  Speaker 7: live here, and affordable. Steve think about it a twenty
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: story tower in Brighton is going to provide a one
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: bedroom dog box. That is not going to be family friendly.
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: It's not going to be affordable. Densify the city with
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: medium density, encourage small builders and others to be involved
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: in the solution.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: We'll get better outcomes for Victoria.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: I see that medium density already. We obviously need a
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: hell of a lot more. I mean, if you drive
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: down any of the major are two year roads in
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: the inner suburbs, you do see four or five story
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: but they're pretty upmarket. Well, there are market people who
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: need cheap housing.
• 27:39
  Speaker 7: The reason that exists is because it's so hard for
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: the small builder, small developer to get involved into the
• 27:45
  Speaker 7: market currently. Now, to build one of those developments, you
• 27:48
  Speaker 7: might have to buy the land. You'll be sitting on
• 27:50
  Speaker 7: it for one year, two year, three year, four years
• 27:52
  Speaker 7: to get planning approvals. It's all too slow, and by
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: the time that all comes very few people can stomach that.
• 27:58
  Speaker 7: What they're doing in other parts and other jurisdictions is
• 28:01
  Speaker 7: you can buy the land with certainty that you know
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: what you can do with it. If we can get
• 28:05
  Speaker 7: us so, you can build two and three townhouses per block.
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: As of right, conditional on certain setbacks and so on.
• 28:13
  Speaker 7: If as of right you can do that, that will
• 28:15
  Speaker 7: fast track and speed up development.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Here in me made this big announcement about how if
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: you bought something off the plan you wouldn't pay stamp duty. Well,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: hang on, that's a big risk and young people buying
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: off the plan like that, given the current collapse of
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: construction companies, would you be willing to stump up the
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: money off the plan? Apartment might and might not ever
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: be built.
• 28:37
  Speaker 7: The Victorian Building Authority and the watchdogs that this government
• 28:40
  Speaker 7: has overseen now for twelve years have been a disgrace.
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: They haven't been held accountable and the government has failed
• 28:46
  Speaker 7: to look after the interests of consumers and home builds.
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: You're quite right, there's very little incentive and what's worth
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: Steve that sort of token tax cut and we all
• 28:54
  Speaker 7: love a tax cut, but that token tax cut is
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: for twelve months. Do you seriously think people are going
• 28:59
  Speaker 7: to be in a buzz to have new plans, new
• 29:01
  Speaker 7: opportunities drawn up, approved, planned and ready to go.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: In the next twelve months. It's just not going to happen.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: If you don only what's the social housing waiting list now?
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: The social waiting housing list increase by three thousand, one
• 29:15
  Speaker 7: hundred families in the last quarter. We're now over sixty
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: two thousand families. That's an MCG full of people waiting,
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: waiting in these we're people waiting. They're waiting in caravans.
• 29:27
  Speaker 7: If they're domestic violence, they're back with their abuser. They're
• 29:30
  Speaker 7: in cars, they're in car parks, they're in tents on
• 29:33
  Speaker 7: the river. There's a squad of tents on the Eastern
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: Freeway here in Melbourne. I'm not I've been down there
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: and visited them. There are people. We've got communities handing
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: out tents in my own town, Kolak and western Victoria.
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: The Salvos are giving people a little tents to sleep in.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: That's how bad it is in Victoria.
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: We're are first world country that spent four billion dollars
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: and our social waiting lists, our most vulnerable people, disabled,
• 29:58
  Speaker 7: escaping domestic violence single month, the whole lot are being
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: offered tents and cheap motel units. And it's just not
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: good enough. But guess what, We're getting a thirty five
• 30:07
  Speaker 7: billion dollar circular railway to nowhere by some time in
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: twenty seventy.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: Don't get me started on that today. This morning I
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: was on a train, a driverless train, doing one hundred
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: kilometers an hour underneath Sydney Harbor, finished complete, running perfectly
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: in brand new stations.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: What do we got here?
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: We've got a train line underground from nowhere to nowhere opening.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: In ten years. If we're lucky, We're lucky.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Richard, Thanks for coming in a free
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: shit time Richard reared in there now Coming up after
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: the break, former Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews his latest appointment.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: What a joke this is, and the staggering salary is
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: actually going to pocket and next all the latest from
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: the US election. With just ten days to go, I
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: can't wait. Pole's closing ten days. Kosher Garda joins us.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Welcome back to Sue Price with you panel coming up.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Also coming up, Danika de Georgia the Top of the
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: air with their excellent program Prime Time. Well, how excited
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: I with There's ten days until election day in the
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: United States, and you'd have to say the race could
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: not be tied, as some of the polls showing Kamala
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Harris ahead, others showing Donald Trump's got his nose in
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: front almost all within the margin Everraa. Now to break
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: it all down, I'm joined by scot And News contributor
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Kosher Gata. We're in for a long day, I suspect
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: on Wednesday week, aren't we?
• 31:26
  Speaker 8: Yes? And it can't come soon enough. It's been quite
• 31:29
  Speaker 8: the cycle.
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 31:30
  Speaker 8: The polls are tightening as you mentioned, or they have
• 31:32
  Speaker 8: Trump up a little bit. He's really closed that gap
• 31:35
  Speaker 8: and he's inching ahead. But more interestingly, now that we're
• 31:38
  Speaker 8: so close to down to the wire, we've got early
• 31:40
  Speaker 8: voting data in all seven battleground states and then.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Some so do we get exit polls from it?
• 31:46
  Speaker 8: Not exit polls because they count them only on the day,
• 31:48
  Speaker 8: but we have some indications where some of the states,
• 31:51
  Speaker 8: not all of them, do report if the ballot submitted
• 31:55
  Speaker 8: was by a Republican, registered Republican or a registered Democrat.
• 31:57
  Speaker 8: You don't know how they voted, but you know who
• 31:59
  Speaker 8: they are. And it's really interesting where two things. One
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: is the volume of mail in ballots are way down,
• 32:04
  Speaker 8: and that is something that Democrats always had an advantage in.
• 32:07
  Speaker 8: That is what led to Joe Biden's victory last time,
• 32:09
  Speaker 8: way down fifty percent or more. And the second is
• 32:12
  Speaker 8: Republicans who normally did not like early voting have really
• 32:15
  Speaker 8: embraced it, and in some of the swing states they're
• 32:18
  Speaker 8: actually flipping it and they're ahead of the Democrats. So
• 32:20
  Speaker 8: I think that's a very interesting piece. What's going to
• 32:23
  Speaker 8: help come La is that she just has more money
• 32:25
  Speaker 8: and she's got a superior ground game the Democrats in general,
• 32:28
  Speaker 8: and women are turning out at a higher rate, which
• 32:31
  Speaker 8: tend to favor her. So it's tight. But I think
• 32:34
  Speaker 8: the early voting signals are very very telerab.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: We're in the twilight sign How dirty is it going
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: to get between then polling day and who's going to
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: have most of the throne at them?
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: And should I perhaps say, I guess it's probably Donald Trump.
• 32:46
  Speaker 8: Yes, we're definitely. I think I won't be surprised by anything.
• 32:49
  Speaker 8: We are in the twilight zone for sure. And just
• 32:52
  Speaker 8: John Kelly Dane for instance.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: It came out, but that's not new, is it.
• 32:56
  Speaker 8: It's not new? That's the thing. So the whole he's Hitler,
• 32:59
  Speaker 8: he liked Hitler generals. That was the framing. If he
• 33:03
  Speaker 8: were somebody new and you're defining him, maybe it could work.
• 33:07
  Speaker 8: But Donald Trump has been famous since the nineteen nineties,
• 33:10
  Speaker 8: he was host of a primetime television show for fourteen years.
• 33:13
  Speaker 8: He has been numerous movies and rap lyrics and TV shows.
• 33:18
  Speaker 8: And he was president for four years and didn't run
• 33:21
  Speaker 8: gas chambers or you know, ruled by Dick Tats. So
• 33:23
  Speaker 8: the whole thing just makes no sense. And it's interesting
• 33:26
  Speaker 8: that they're going back to this at the eleventh hour.
• 33:28
  Speaker 8: It's almost like there's nothing left.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Who's campaigning harder him or her in terms of the
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: events they're doing.
• 33:34
  Speaker 8: Definitely him. I think I saw a stat somewhere that
• 33:37
  Speaker 8: he that's what he's done, that's what he's always done.
• 33:39
  Speaker 8: And the thing is you can tell that he's having fun,
• 33:41
  Speaker 8: really can tell he's having fun.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: Dancing day was Yeah, it doesn't feel like.
• 33:44
  Speaker 8: Work for him. And I saw stat that he's done
• 33:46
  Speaker 8: thirty three percent more events than her. He's twenty years
• 33:50
  Speaker 8: older than her, but you wouldn't think it from the
• 33:52
  Speaker 8: energy levels.
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: So she's reeled at the big names. I think Bill Clinton,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Barack Obama, we've seen them, but the real big names
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: are at new Bruce Springsteen, Beyonce, Samuel L. Jackson, Eminem.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: That help her, No, I think that probably turns if
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: you're an undecided voter, you're going, well, do you really
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: need all these big Hollywood names to convince me to
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: vote for you?
• 34:14
  Speaker 8: And they always Democrats always have them because Hollywood is
• 34:16
  Speaker 8: very left and they.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Do that playing the saxophone and all.
• 34:20
  Speaker 8: Yes, but he had that common touch. I think, especially
• 34:22
  Speaker 8: now where there's a cost of living crisis and people
• 34:24
  Speaker 8: are suffering economically, out of touch celebrities don't do anything
• 34:27
  Speaker 8: they can offer a finishing touch if the candidate is
• 34:30
  Speaker 8: a very substantively strong person, like Obama, he had lots
• 34:33
  Speaker 8: of celebrities. People loved him as a candidate, and then
• 34:35
  Speaker 8: he had that. But if you are a substance free
• 34:37
  Speaker 8: which is I think generally how she has come across,
• 34:40
  Speaker 8: I don't think packaging the celebrity at the last minute
• 34:43
  Speaker 8: is going to move the needle.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: I've watched a lot of stuff with her.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, I shouldn't go down the Twitter mind, but
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: sometimes you do.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Is she really that.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Loose and unconnected to reality?
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's easy to criticize it. She doesn't seem
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: terribly smart.
• 35:03
  Speaker 8: You know, it's kind of impossible to ignore. I know
• 35:05
  Speaker 8: what you mean about the it's easy to meme and
• 35:08
  Speaker 8: you know, pluck things out of her. But she was
• 35:10
  Speaker 8: hiding from the media and then obviously it wasn't working
• 35:13
  Speaker 8: because the pools were tightening and her team clearly said
• 35:15
  Speaker 8: you got to go out and do it. And then
• 35:17
  Speaker 8: you know, she fumbled the ball multiple times. People thoughtually
• 35:20
  Speaker 8: get better. And the CNN town hall that just happened
• 35:22
  Speaker 8: the other day is sort of case in point where
• 35:25
  Speaker 8: even basic questions like what is her weakness? That's something
• 35:28
  Speaker 8: every college.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Grad Randerson interrupt, that's right.
• 35:30
  Speaker 8: Like every college grad gets that question. Your first interview
• 35:33
  Speaker 8: out of college, you get that question, and she couldn't
• 35:35
  Speaker 8: answer it, or she's been asked, how are you different
• 35:37
  Speaker 8: from Biden? I don't know, but even that isn't an excuse.
• 35:40
  Speaker 8: I think if you're running for this job, the most
• 35:42
  Speaker 8: powerful job in the world, that is not a fair excuse.
• 35:46
  Speaker 8: So it feels like she's just not strong on substance
• 35:49
  Speaker 8: and she's not able to think on her feet, and
• 35:51
  Speaker 8: it's kind of impossible to ignore.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: The thing that strucks me that is damaging her. She's
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: being Voss present for three and a half years and
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: all of these issues that they are fighting the election
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: on illegal immigration, housing, cost of living well she's been
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: in the White House.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Yep. That really damages here.
• 36:10
  Speaker 8: I think that's been a fundamental issue for her and
• 36:13
  Speaker 8: she has not figured out how to navigate it. Where
• 36:15
  Speaker 8: she's running as a change candidate because that's what the
• 36:18
  Speaker 8: electorate wants right now. They're not happy with the direction
• 36:20
  Speaker 8: of the country. And she's simultaneously refusing to put any
• 36:24
  Speaker 8: daylight between her and the president. She's been asked that
• 36:26
  Speaker 8: question five times now by friendly media, what's the difference
• 36:29
  Speaker 8: between you and President Biden? And she just won't say
• 36:31
  Speaker 8: it or can't say it while trying to pretend that
• 36:34
  Speaker 8: she's different. And I don't think that works. The American
• 36:37
  Speaker 8: people aren't buying it.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: To other quick things.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know for the impact on the vote, but
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: would there be some Democrats who are still unhappy about
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: the way Biden was pushed there?
• 36:46
  Speaker 8: Yes, I think you hear that anecdotally and in some
• 36:49
  Speaker 8: polls it's been measured. There is a big faction of
• 36:52
  Speaker 8: the Bernie Sanders wing of the party still, and I
• 36:55
  Speaker 8: think they especially feel that they've just been disenfranchised by
• 36:58
  Speaker 8: the party over multiple years. And then this last thing,
• 37:01
  Speaker 8: the fact that she never got a vote. I do
• 37:02
  Speaker 8: think is damaging?
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Explain the Robert Kennedy thing for me? Does that work
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: for Trump?
• 37:07
  Speaker 8: I think so, because the most iconic get.
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: Things and stuff. But he is seems forgiven for that.
• 37:14
  Speaker 8: Yes, and he his message about is making He's a Kennedy,
• 37:17
  Speaker 8: He's an iconic Democrat. And between him Chelsea Gabbert, the
• 37:21
  Speaker 8: congress woman former congressmen from Hawaii, those were significant endorsements
• 37:25
  Speaker 8: and they matter much more than Bruce Springsteen and Taylor
• 37:27
  Speaker 8: Swift on the other side.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: And is it correct that she's struggling to attract young
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: mile black voters.
• 37:34
  Speaker 8: The polling seems to say that we'll we'll find out
• 37:37
  Speaker 8: what the exit polling, you know what the truth is.
• 37:39
  Speaker 8: That is going to be one of the big stories
• 37:40
  Speaker 8: coming out of this election. But if the polling at
• 37:43
  Speaker 8: this stage is true, twenty twenty five percent for Trump
• 37:47
  Speaker 8: is unheard of, That has never happened for any Republican candidate,
• 37:49
  Speaker 8: and it's going to be a complete realignment.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: The lights of which we haven't seen wins.
• 37:55
  Speaker 8: That's an brillion dollar question. It's so tight, Steve, I
• 37:58
  Speaker 8: really start, I got to give a decisive one. But
• 38:01
  Speaker 8: if I had to bet on it and actually poly.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Market ten days out, so I'm not going to hold
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: you to it.
• 38:06
  Speaker 8: I think that my mansions were trump.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, great to catch up with you. Thanks for seeing
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: you on Sky's election coverage on the day.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: Kacha Garda there.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, Panel time still ahead. What
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: do you classify as good art and how much would
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: you pay for it? I'll put that and a lot
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: more to my panel up next. Welcome back Friday Nights.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: It's our panel time, our favorite part of the evening.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: And joining us as usual from Small business Women Australia,
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Amanda Rose even in to you and Scott and his
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: contributor Joe hild Around.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: Great to see you both again, mate.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: I want to I know I keep going back to
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Daniel Andrews, and I know you think I'm obsessed with
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Daniel Andrews and I should just let it go and
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: not ban him from my local golf club and let
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: him just retire and in quiet retirement on his three
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars a year tax free pension.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: That'll have until he dies.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: But that aside, I could not believe it this week,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: and he the man who bought in the most draconian
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: lockdown measures anywhere in the world who told us, Joe
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: and Amanda that if you're going for a walk, you're
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: going to be banned from sipping drinks out of a
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: straw without your mask on because you might catch COVID.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: He's been appointed chairman of a youth mental health service
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: called Origin, with a seventy five thousand dollars a year
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: salary to boot he might want to donate that to
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: the charity.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: By the way, I just can't believe it.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: So many people have mental problems in this state, particularly children, Joe,
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: because they were locked up for so long.
• 39:35
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that's right. I look at an absolutely horrible period.
• 39:39
  Speaker 9: We now know officially. What a lot of us, Steve,
• 39:42
  Speaker 9: including you and I were saying at the time was
• 39:45
  Speaker 9: that these are ridiculously draconian. They're not based on any
• 39:49
  Speaker 9: scientific evidence whatsoever. Things like the closure of schools, which
• 39:52
  Speaker 9: did so much damage to young people, were completely unnecessary.
• 39:56
  Speaker 9: In fact, schools and kids with some of the safest
• 39:59
  Speaker 9: places because they were COVID killers. And yet because of
• 40:04
  Speaker 9: because of fear that was often peddled, because of appeasing
• 40:08
  Speaker 9: various unions, because of simply wanting to look like a
• 40:12
  Speaker 9: strong man. We know that premiers, and first and foremost
• 40:15
  Speaker 9: among them, Daniel Andrews wanted to look like tough guys,
• 40:19
  Speaker 9: wanted to look like saviors, and they basically allowed those
• 40:23
  Speaker 9: fears to persist. In some cases, they fueled them. There
• 40:26
  Speaker 9: were reports about, you know, cod a COVID outbreak being
• 40:30
  Speaker 9: reported by pupil at a school without ever clarifying that,
• 40:34
  Speaker 9: in fact, that was not where the pupil got it.
• 40:37
  Speaker 9: Things like that. Meanwhile, meatworks had COVID spreading like wildfire,
• 40:41
  Speaker 9: So there was the gas lighting to start with, and
• 40:45
  Speaker 9: then there was simply the profound horrible impact. I mean,
• 40:49
  Speaker 9: lockdowns weren't particularly hard on people like me. I sit
• 40:52
  Speaker 9: on the couch with my kids, you know, all day,
• 40:54
  Speaker 9: every day anyway, unless I have to go to the
• 40:56
  Speaker 9: supermarket or go to work, no difference whatsoever. But for
• 40:59
  Speaker 9: kids where you know your first you know, your first formal,
• 41:04
  Speaker 9: your first kiss, you know, going to party's social life
• 41:07
  Speaker 9: and your peer group is everything to you when you're
• 41:10
  Speaker 9: a kid, and to deprive them of that deprives them
• 41:12
  Speaker 9: of a lifetime of experience. And yeah, it's something that
• 41:16
  Speaker 9: should never be forgotten or forgiven.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Amanda is just a political appointment that you just bigg
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: as belief. Why would you put in charge the bloke
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: that locked everyone up? I mean, it just does makes
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: no sense.
• 41:27
  Speaker 10: I think it's completely insulting. Joe's right with what all
• 41:31
  Speaker 10: the suffering that happened. There are people that are actually
• 41:34
  Speaker 10: there were suicides, There are people with still mental health
• 41:37
  Speaker 10: issues right now trying to survive. It was absolutely disastrous.
• 41:41
  Speaker 10: So I think it's a slap in the face to
• 41:43
  Speaker 10: say we're going to put someone as the chair and
• 41:45
  Speaker 10: we're going to pay them funds to actually help guide
• 41:49
  Speaker 10: a charity helping the people that he actually has caused
• 41:54
  Speaker 10: or created, made decisions that cause them to need that
• 41:56
  Speaker 10: charity in the first place. But if you're looking at
• 41:58
  Speaker 10: it from a business perspective, I guarantee you there are
• 42:02
  Speaker 10: so many more qualified people out there that would suit
• 42:05
  Speaker 10: that role. People that have spent their life helping people,
• 42:08
  Speaker 10: People have spent their free time, their voluntary time to
• 42:12
  Speaker 10: actually help those with mental health. They're the ones that
• 42:15
  Speaker 10: have been overlooked for this placement, which is obviously because
• 42:20
  Speaker 10: it's a mates or job for the boys type placement,
• 42:23
  Speaker 10: because he's definitely not qualified for it.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: No, and I can only imagine that the charity probably
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: thinks sticking him in there might help them get some
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: more funding from somewhere. But it's a horrible look. Let's
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: talk about let's change pace and talk about art.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: I've got to confess I'm not the greatest fan of
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: modern art. That will surprise you, I know. But if
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: you're a taxpayer, I think you've got a right to
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: ask about what makes good art and what doesn't. I
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: can't believe this West Australian Museum. They've gone out and
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: bought a graffiti piece of perspecs glass that actually protected
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: one of our classic paintings, Frederick mccobin's Down on his
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Luck painting. I actively sprayed it with the woodside logo
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: last year. And then meanwhile, the National Gallery of Australia
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: in Canberra, they've forked out a huge amount of money
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: for somebody called Lindy Lee's. I can't even pronounce the
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: name of this thing, and it's supposed to look like,
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know, some sort of a octopus. They paid
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: fourteen million.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Dollars for it.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Now, don't slap me, Joe, because you'd probably remember I
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: argued we shouldn't have booked Blue Poles and it's now
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: worth one hundred times what we paid for it. But
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: these two things are a joke, aren't they.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just don't get it. I'm with you.
• 43:35
  Speaker 9: I live in a city where we're about to shell out.
• 43:38
  Speaker 9: I think a couple of millions and bucks for a
• 43:39
  Speaker 9: giant milk crate to be stuck in a park outside
• 43:42
  Speaker 9: Central Station. I do not know. I don't know about art.
• 43:46
  Speaker 9: I don't even know what I like. I just wait
• 43:49
  Speaker 9: to be told why something is incredibly profoundly important and beautiful,
• 43:54
  Speaker 9: because I just can't say. I still don't get blue poles.
• 43:57
  Speaker 9: I still don't understand. It looks like something that you know.
• 44:00
  Speaker 9: They look like something that happens when.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: You pick cabins. It's in a paint.
• 44:08
  Speaker 9: I get that.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 44:09
  Speaker 9: All the night the other one with the guy and
• 44:11
  Speaker 9: the nice lady comes and then they have a kit kat.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: That's a great classic painting.
• 44:15
  Speaker 9: But this I do not understand. And I'm also a
• 44:19
  Speaker 9: bit pessimistic about lionizing vandalism and archiving it and making
• 44:26
  Speaker 9: and sort of I suppose legitimizing that as some kind
• 44:29
  Speaker 9: of profound historical turning point. As with these idiotic activists
• 44:34
  Speaker 9: who spray painted the Frederick mccobon painting and then had
• 44:38
  Speaker 9: to read from notes as to why they were doing it.
• 44:40
  Speaker 9: That's how passionate and involved they were with the.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Cause, Amanda, the fools at the gallery in w A,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: can someone tell them that one of their major sponsors
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: is would side they either wanted to tip the money
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: into the gallery.
• 44:56
  Speaker 10: Look, when it comes to art, I believe it's a
• 44:58
  Speaker 10: really important air to invest money in. However, I think
• 45:02
  Speaker 10: there are limits. So for example, spending fourteen million dollars
• 45:05
  Speaker 10: on a piece of art, especially during this time when
• 45:08
  Speaker 10: it's around seventy three thousand dollars a week, and when
• 45:10
  Speaker 10: you think of the median wage for someone who's around
• 45:13
  Speaker 10: sixty seven thousand dollars, you think how many struggling artists
• 45:17
  Speaker 10: could they have paid to actually create something unique, And
• 45:21
  Speaker 10: they could have had say over two hundred people produce
• 45:24
  Speaker 10: artwork and have that on display. And then you're actually
• 45:26
  Speaker 10: helping families during the cost of living crisis. So I
• 45:29
  Speaker 10: think it's a bit tasteless.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do too, look very important and a very
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: sad story. News today that a Victorian mother has told
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: how she barricades the doors of her home and has
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: installed security cameras not to keep crooks out, but to
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: keep an eye on her own teenage son, who's facing
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: dozens of charges relating to car theft, high speed police
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: pursuit aggravated Burgery's fifteen, said he's eleven days spending news
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: detention were quote not fun, and his mother hopes it's a.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Wake up call.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Joe, I've got to say this is not an isolated case.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: I would imagine there's many cases like this.
• 46:06
  Speaker 9: Sadly, Yeah, it is awful, and I think again, it
• 46:09
  Speaker 9: goes to this thing where you know, I was a
• 46:12
  Speaker 9: bit of a tear away youth as well, although I
• 46:14
  Speaker 9: didn't boost any cars. But again, if it goes to
• 46:17
  Speaker 9: peer pressure, it goes to the people who are around you,
• 46:19
  Speaker 9: the people who look up to. One of the groups
• 46:22
  Speaker 9: I work with occasionally is the Top Blokes Foundation. They're awesome,
• 46:25
  Speaker 9: and they basically have this model where they know that
• 46:27
  Speaker 9: teenage boys in particular are going to rebel, they're going
• 46:30
  Speaker 9: to turn against their parents, they're going to do everything
• 46:33
  Speaker 9: that their parents tell them not to often just for
• 46:35
  Speaker 9: that reason. And it's whoever replaces that kind of father
• 46:40
  Speaker 9: figure role in their lives or big brother role in
• 46:42
  Speaker 9: their lives that is going to determine whether they run
• 46:44
  Speaker 9: off the rails and join a gang or go off
• 46:46
  Speaker 9: to become the great men or the great man that
• 46:49
  Speaker 9: is inside every teenage boy. And so they provide role
• 46:52
  Speaker 9: models to fulfill that role. And again, if you have
• 46:54
  Speaker 9: crime running rampant in a society, if it is not
• 46:57
  Speaker 9: clamped down on, if it is seen as being the norms,
• 47:00
  Speaker 9: seen as something that you can get away with, and
• 47:02
  Speaker 9: that becomes part of your sort of your ambient culture,
• 47:06
  Speaker 9: then that is what is going to happen. And we've
• 47:08
  Speaker 9: soon to happen in regional Queensland, regional New South Wales
• 47:10
  Speaker 9: and sadly it also seems.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: To be happening in my hometown in Melbourne. Sad story, Amanda,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 47:18
  Speaker 10: And my heart breaks for that mother because it's so
• 47:20
  Speaker 10: hard to find solutions. Joe is one hundred percent correct.
• 47:23
  Speaker 10: You know, other places like Productivity boot Camp in Western
• 47:26
  Speaker 10: Sydney and they take kids and they get them working
• 47:29
  Speaker 10: with their hands, you know, off social media, building things,
• 47:31
  Speaker 10: achieving things. We need to bring back.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Hope. That's a great point.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we need to break You've got to do there. Yes,
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: we actually have to go and find a solution to this,
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: not just keep debating it. Yes, find a solution. Thank
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: you both for joining us. I appreciate it very much.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: Danika de Giorgio is coming up next. Just before I go,
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: I had the great pleasure today of writing on the
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: brand new Sydney Metro Now. I took it from Victoria
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Cross Station, which is in North Sydney Way through underneath
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Sydney Harbor and out to Central Station. I changed there
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: and jumped on a train and went out to Sydney Airport.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: The reason I raise it I can make a direct
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: comparison now with what's not happening in Melbourne and what
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: has happened in Sydney. That new metro train service is
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: one of the most amazing things. Driverless, going at one
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: hundred kilometers an hour straight under the bottom of Sydney Harbor.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: It is just extraordinary. And it goes out to the northwest,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: down to the southwest. It's up, it's running, people are
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: using it. There was people all over the place. What
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: do we have in Melbourne? We have a train project
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: going from somewhere no one is to somewhere no one
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: wants to go, and it's not going to be ready
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: to run for another ten years. I have a bit
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: more to say about that next week. Danika is up
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: next