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A Fate Foretold with Ultimate Fighter contestant- "Grizzly" Claire Guthrie · Caught on the Mike...

0:59
SPEAKER_00: And I have been wanting to interview her on the show for some time now.
1:03
SPEAKER_00: Ladies and gentlemen, this is caught on the fight.
1:13
SPEAKER_00: Ladies and gentlemen, I am really excited about this episode of the show, if not for any other reason, because she was a part of the best fight in the Ultimate Fighter history, as far as I'm concerned.
1:26
SPEAKER_00: Definitely the best fight of this season.
1:28
SPEAKER_00: Grizzly, Claire Guthrie, how are you doing?
1:31
SPEAKER_02: Hey, I'm doing great.
1:32
SPEAKER_02: Thank you for the introduction.
1:33
SPEAKER_02: I'm, you know, I'm still feeling pretty proud of that fight, so I appreciate it.
1:36
SPEAKER_00: Well, you need to feel proud of that for a long time to come.
1:40
SPEAKER_00: You like, I don't know if I've ever seen Dana react to like even a main card fight like that.
1:47
SPEAKER_02: You know, and it was really cool, like, because people who watched the episode, they only got to see a piece of it, but he was loving it, I mean, from start to finish.
1:54
SPEAKER_02: Like between every round, like he's making eye contact with us and he's smiling, and he's like, this is awesome.
1:59
SPEAKER_00: Like, so it was really cool.
2:01
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's dope.
2:02
SPEAKER_00: Like, uh, and watching him like really intently eating those red hots while he was walking.
2:08
SPEAKER_02: The worst kind, like the worst kind of jelly games.
2:11
SPEAKER_02: I know.
2:13
SPEAKER_00: Oh man, that's awesome.
2:15
SPEAKER_00: So let's talk a little bit about you.
2:17
SPEAKER_00: Let's make a little bit more of an introduction to who you are, especially for those of you out there that are listening to this podcast that are following the ultimate fighter.
2:26
SPEAKER_00: Let's get to know Claire Guthrie.
2:28
SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about your origin story a little bit.
2:30
SPEAKER_02: Sure.
2:30
SPEAKER_02: Um, I played a bunch of sports growing up.
2:33
SPEAKER_02: I was always really aggressive, but like I was not so great at learning.
2:37
SPEAKER_02: Uh I wasn't super technical, we'll say that.
2:40
SPEAKER_02: So I was great at track because it was just like go.
2:42
SPEAKER_02: That was awesome.
2:43
SPEAKER_02: That was easy.
2:44
SPEAKER_02: Um, and then, you know, once I started fighting, it was just like, you know, I'd also been like bullied when I was a kid too.
2:51
SPEAKER_02: So I never wanted to, um, I never wanted to bully other people or make other people feel like that, but fighting was a really good way where I got to be aggressive and like I got to be a bully without hurting any innocent people.
3:03
SPEAKER_02: So that felt really good.
3:04
SPEAKER_02: It just clicked really, really well for me.
3:07
SPEAKER_02: Um, but even with fighting, it still took years um until I was able to figure out how to be technical because all my amateur fights are just crazy.
3:16
SPEAKER_02: Like they're just wild.
3:18
SPEAKER_02: It's like I ate a bunch of punches to like grab somebody and I'd throw them on the floor, and it was just like wild.
3:26
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I'd say uh it wasn't until I came out to here with uh came out to Colorado with Elevation Fighting that I like learned how to learn.
3:33
SPEAKER_02: So that's been a that's been a big thing for me.
3:36
SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, fighting just really took over my life.
3:39
SPEAKER_02: Um I didn't know I was gonna be any kind of professional athlete.
3:44
SPEAKER_02: And you know, I still did the whole college thing because that's what everyone in my town did.
3:48
SPEAKER_02: Um so I went to school all you know four years and got my degree, and I knew like right when I graduated, I was like, okay, that's and I was still fighting throughout the time, but I was like, that's when I'm gonna dive in.
3:58
SPEAKER_02: And so right when I graduated, um, I moved out to Colorado, joined Elevation Fight Team.
4:03
SPEAKER_02: Um, I've continued working in accounting up until this month.
4:09
SPEAKER_02: So um actually having gone on the ultimate fighter, it kind of made me realize that I thought I was all in, but I was really just busy.
4:18
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, okay, since I'm busy, I'm going to be successful and everything.
4:22
SPEAKER_02: And then I found out that's not how it works.
4:24
SPEAKER_02: So uh yeah, being on the ultimate fighter, you know, it's it's eat, train, eat, train, sleep, repeat.
4:31
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, oh, this is what my life needs to look like.
4:34
SPEAKER_02: Like, I need to try to simulate this as best as I can, you know, to make the the best progress that I can.
4:39
SPEAKER_02: Because you know, this is a short window.
4:40
SPEAKER_02: Um, if I half ass it for 10 years, I mean I'm really wasting my own time and I'm wasting a lot of potential.
4:46
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, this this month I'll be done with my job and fighting full-time.
4:51
SPEAKER_00: Wow, that's awesome.
4:52
SPEAKER_00: So, where are you from originally?
4:54
SPEAKER_02: I'm from Michigan.
4:55
SPEAKER_02: St.
4:55
SPEAKER_02: Joe, Michigan.
4:57
SPEAKER_02: Nice.
4:57
SPEAKER_02: Where at in Michigan again?
4:59
SPEAKER_02: St.
5:00
SPEAKER_02: Joseph.
5:00
SPEAKER_02: It's uh it's pretty close to like Notre Dame, like really close to the Indiana border.
5:05
SPEAKER_00: What's the population like in that town?
5:07
SPEAKER_02: Um, it's a small town, but not um it's good, it's a it's a medium-sized town with small town vibes.
5:16
SPEAKER_00: You just described where I'm living currently in Lincoln, Nebraska.
5:19
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
5:20
SPEAKER_00: The reason, the reason I ask that is, you know, those of us that kind of had some a little bit of social struggle uh growing up and kind of learn that fighters mindset growing up.
5:33
SPEAKER_00: You usually you can kind of draw similar parallels to the upbringing.
5:37
SPEAKER_00: It's like, you know, for for me personally, I lived in big cities all my life.
5:41
SPEAKER_00: I moved all over the place, and it was big cities until I get to high school.
5:46
SPEAKER_00: I get to high school and it's a town of 1,500 people.
5:49
SPEAKER_00: And if you're not born in that town, you're never accepted in that town.
5:55
SPEAKER_00: So it's like it's it's kind of the same thing.
5:57
SPEAKER_00: You just yeah, you adapt and you figure out ways to build your confidence up and and socialize in a way that makes sense to you.
6:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I definitely agree with that.
6:08
SPEAKER_02: Um, I give I think I get more support now in my hometown than I ever got.
6:13
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, for sure, than I ever got growing up.
6:16
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
6:16
SPEAKER_02: Um, I was I was very ready to leave.
6:19
SPEAKER_02: Like I appreciate, you know, my parents are amazing.
6:22
SPEAKER_02: They supported me the whole entire time.
6:24
SPEAKER_02: Uh, and so I think that was the most important thing.
6:27
SPEAKER_02: But um MMA was not, MMA was like frowned upon.
6:31
SPEAKER_02: Um, it was more of like a golf, basketball, tennis area.
6:37
SPEAKER_02: So it was like my gym was in the basement of a tattoo studio, and it was like, what are they doing down there?
6:43
SPEAKER_02: Not awesome, you know.
6:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, right.
6:46
SPEAKER_02: So it felt really good getting out.
6:48
SPEAKER_02: Like I said, it's it's just funny kind of seeing the support now.
6:51
SPEAKER_02: I still appreciate it, but I'm still a little bitter at the same time.
6:54
SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm not planning on moving back at any point.
6:56
SPEAKER_00: That doesn't ever change.
6:58
SPEAKER_00: I I'll tell you, it's weird for me in particular because I took a different path.
7:03
SPEAKER_00: I I did punk rock bands and metal bands and such for for years after that.
7:09
SPEAKER_00: And that's what I was pursuing as a career.
7:11
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
7:11
SPEAKER_00: And when I started to get a little bit of momentum, it's like the people that wouldn't give me the time of day when I was in high school, all of a sudden started popping out of the woodwork.
7:21
SPEAKER_00: And my 10-year high school reunion was one of the weirdest social experiments I think I've ever been a part of.
7:28
SPEAKER_02: Oh, I bet.
7:29
SPEAKER_02: I bet.
7:30
SPEAKER_02: Oh, that was brave to go back.
7:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
7:34
SPEAKER_00: But I mean, you get a couple albums under your belt, then you're like, yeah, I kind of want to go back and peacock just a little bit.
7:40
SPEAKER_02: I can see that.
7:41
SPEAKER_02: I could see that for sure.
7:43
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, mine will be coming up in a couple of years.
7:46
SPEAKER_02: So nice.
7:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, maybe I'll be back.
7:48
SPEAKER_02: You gotta do it.
7:49
SPEAKER_00: You just gotta do it, even if it's just like making an appearance, eating a meal, and just rising above it and being like, you know.
7:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I love it.
7:59
SPEAKER_00: You said you were an accountant.
8:00
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
8:01
SPEAKER_00: How many times have you made that joke when somebody's talked about you being a fighter?
8:07
SPEAKER_00: Like, no, I'm not a fighter, I'm an accountant.
8:10
SPEAKER_00: You've seen that joke online, I'm sure.
8:12
SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
8:13
SPEAKER_02: Um, I love it.
8:14
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I always I've always thought it was like a great balance, and I'm I'm real cheesy, so I'm like smashing numbers by day and faces by night.
8:22
SPEAKER_02: Love it.
8:24
SPEAKER_00: So, when was the majority of this season of Tough filmed?
8:28
SPEAKER_02: Um, so this was filmed end of January through the beginning of March.
8:34
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
8:34
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
8:35
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
8:35
SPEAKER_00: And you can't tell because you're in Vegas, so it's like the scenery looks fantastic.
8:41
SPEAKER_00: So you don't know or other places in the United States are yeah, two and three foot under snow.
8:47
SPEAKER_02: It was nice to get out of Colorado at that time.
8:50
SPEAKER_02: It was perfect, it was so perfect.
8:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, great timing for that for sure.
8:55
SPEAKER_02: And and like in Vegas was still hot.
8:57
SPEAKER_02: We still got to lay out by the pool and everything, so that was nice.
9:00
SPEAKER_00: That is awesome.
9:02
SPEAKER_00: That is awesome.
9:03
SPEAKER_00: I read online, and I would love for you to tell the anecdote about this.
9:07
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
9:07
SPEAKER_00: That there was a psychic experience that led you there.
9:11
SPEAKER_02: Yes, you know, there kind of was.
9:13
SPEAKER_02: Um, it was interesting.
9:14
SPEAKER_02: So now it would be I mean, it'll be three years ago this year.
9:19
SPEAKER_02: I was um I was going through a divorce, and I was I was married for six months, so that was real fun.
9:25
SPEAKER_02: And then uh when I got divorced, I knew I I just there was a lot of holes in my life at that point, and um I was kind of looking all over the place, trying to figure out what was missing because I felt like you know, I went to school and I got the job and I got engaged and I got married and I moved and I went pro and like all these things.
9:44
SPEAKER_02: I was like checking off the boxes, and I was like, and I still wasn't like fulfilled.
9:48
SPEAKER_02: Um, so then I was really like searching for answers there.
9:51
SPEAKER_02: And I had a friend at the time who was like, I'm having this psychic party, I you're coming, and I'm gonna pay for you.
9:56
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, okay, why not?
9:58
SPEAKER_02: Like this is the time to try it.
9:59
SPEAKER_02: And I'd never had any any kind of experience like this, and I went in pretty I went in pretty like hard headed, like I'm not telling her anything, and like you know, like she's gonna have to like prove herself to me, and we'll see how this goes.
10:14
SPEAKER_02: And um it was just funny because she like went around to each person, so like there's like there's like six of us, like each person got like a 20 minutes, right?
10:25
SPEAKER_02: And she just picked who she went to, and uh, you know, she's like, You're an athlete, okay?
10:29
SPEAKER_02: And then she's like, You were a champion in a prior life.
10:32
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, awesome, great, I feel it.
10:35
SPEAKER_02: And uh she starts telling me all these different things about like even like the team that I'm on now and stuff, and then she says, Um, you have you have two years, and she mentions that I haven't um stepped up to the plate, like as far as like like you kind of kind of like you you act like you're pursuing this, but you're still holding yourself back.
10:55
SPEAKER_02: And like if you don't figure out what that is and you don't step up in the next two years, you're gonna miss your opportunity.
11:01
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
11:01
SPEAKER_02: And literally it's like two years almost to the day, because it was in December, um, I found out about the ultimate fighter.
11:08
SPEAKER_02: And and I've been paranoid about this for two years.
11:11
SPEAKER_02: So I've been trying to figure it out for two years.
11:14
SPEAKER_02: And so, yeah, the the last day that the application that we were able to submit applications, that's the day I found out about it.
11:20
SPEAKER_02: I watched all the fights and somehow I just like completely missed this.
11:25
SPEAKER_02: Um, and I also joked about how I would probably never be able to go on the ultimate fighter at fly weight because my weight cuts have always been tough.
11:35
SPEAKER_02: And I had decided I was gonna move up to banner weight, but the opportunity just sounded I just thought it was time.
11:43
SPEAKER_02: I was like, I have to go for this.
11:44
SPEAKER_02: And so I kind of had to change my plan.
11:46
SPEAKER_02: Like I said, I've been trying to get ready to move up to 135 pounds, and it was like, okay, now we need to strip all of this back off.
11:52
SPEAKER_02: Uh so I turned in my application that last day, and I just like um I emailed the producer and I tried to get my manager to bug them, and I tried to get my friends who were on the show to bug them, and like so we really pushed for it because I really felt like like this was it.
12:05
SPEAKER_02: So I went all in with that with that move.
12:09
SPEAKER_00: You do realize there's irony in that story as well.
12:12
SPEAKER_00: I mean, if any of you have watched Claire's episode of Ultimate Fighter, there's irony in the whole weight cut thing.
12:20
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
12:21
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah.
12:22
SPEAKER_02: It's funny.
12:23
SPEAKER_02: That's like the only thing that I've gotten some hate on, right?
12:26
SPEAKER_02: And it's and it's just funny to me too, because like I made weight.
12:29
SPEAKER_02: That's all that mattered.
12:30
SPEAKER_01: You can create it with it.
12:32
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
12:33
SPEAKER_02: And cutting weight in the house is a lot harder than I thought.
12:36
SPEAKER_02: I thought we were gonna have all of these resources.
12:39
SPEAKER_02: I thought we were gonna be using the PI.
12:41
SPEAKER_02: I was like, this is probably gonna be the best weight cut.
12:43
SPEAKER_02: And then it was the worst weight cut.
12:45
SPEAKER_02: And I did it by myself.
12:46
SPEAKER_02: We ran out of hot water, and I did it by myself because I didn't know how to ask for help.
12:50
SPEAKER_02: I'm used to like my coach who's been through a bunch of weight cuts with me and like people who know me.
12:55
SPEAKER_02: So it felt it felt weird, um, especially when other people in the house are cutting weight.
13:00
SPEAKER_02: Right.
13:00
SPEAKER_02: I just didn't know how to be like selfish or with that.
13:03
SPEAKER_02: So I tried to do it myself.
13:04
SPEAKER_02: And getting yourself in and out of a hot bath and into a sauna suit and stuff when you're lightheaded, it's a terrible experience.
13:12
SPEAKER_00: I was just about to ask you that because the there's that scene where you're in the uh the personal sauna, like the portable sauna.
13:19
SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
13:20
SPEAKER_00: And I was looking at that and I'm watching it, and I'm like, I bet she has a fucking migraine, like none of now.
13:27
SPEAKER_00: Because I know oh, like I I've let myself sit sit in a sauna for too long before, and then I walk out.
13:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I can barely walk afterwards.
13:36
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and those were those weren't even the good portable saunas, those were the steam ones, right?
13:42
SPEAKER_02: So they don't heat up, they just blow hot steam at you.
13:45
SPEAKER_02: And so a bunch of us in the house had like burns on our legs and feet and stuff from the because if the steam hit you a certain way, because also they like were broken half the time.
13:54
SPEAKER_02: When the steam hit you, like terrible burn instantly.
13:57
SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, it was crazy.
13:59
SPEAKER_02: And they did show, they did show one scene where two of my coaches came to the house.
14:02
SPEAKER_02: Um, and so they did help me for like the last bath, but it was like they got there and it was like 20 minutes before we had to leave.
14:09
SPEAKER_02: So they they did their best, but we were already right, I mean it was already go time.
14:14
SPEAKER_02: Oh, they actually skipped a big part of it too.
14:17
SPEAKER_02: And I thought they were gonna show this.
14:19
SPEAKER_02: Um right, like when we were getting ready to get on the bus to head to the venue.
14:23
SPEAKER_02: I was in the bathroom with Caitlin and Brogan, and I was just out of it.
14:28
SPEAKER_02: And I was like, we have to cut my hair, we have to cut my hair right now, get the scissors.
14:32
SPEAKER_02: And Caitlin's like, we don't need to cut your hair right now, and like get the scissors.
14:35
SPEAKER_02: I was like, just trim it.
14:37
SPEAKER_02: And she's like, um, okay, okay.
14:39
SPEAKER_02: And so she's like taking her time trying to line that up because she doesn't want to mess up my hair.
14:43
SPEAKER_02: And I was standing there and I just fainted.
14:46
SPEAKER_02: I just like blacked out.
14:47
SPEAKER_02: They like Brogan and Caitlin, like draw like like like helped me to the floor nicely, and the cameras like it's like then you're laying the floor, and then you got a camera and a giant microphone in your face.
14:58
SPEAKER_02: And it was just like I was losing my mind, and I was like, get them out of here, and I was like freaking out.
15:04
SPEAKER_02: Caitlin's like closing the door on the big microphone stick.
15:08
SPEAKER_02: It was just so funny.
15:09
SPEAKER_02: I I uh yeah, I was honestly pretty shocked that they just skipped that part.
15:13
SPEAKER_02: Maybe it's because it just looks bad, maybe because it looks like you shouldn't fight after you black out or something like that.
15:18
SPEAKER_00: Maybe, maybe it's kind of the optics of it.
15:21
SPEAKER_00: I was gonna ask you that.
15:22
SPEAKER_00: We actually talked before we pressed record, and I said, I'm not gonna press you on anything because I know there's NDAs involved, and I'm not that kind of guy.
15:31
SPEAKER_00: But how do you feel about how the editing has gone with the show?
15:35
SPEAKER_00: You feel it it portrays everybody pretty fairly.
15:39
SPEAKER_02: Um there's some people who put on a face for the camera.
15:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
15:46
SPEAKER_02: And I would just say the people who seem the nicest are probably the worst in the house.
15:56
SPEAKER_02: Um, and that's why that's one of the things I thought was really funny is like like uh Juliana got a lot of hate when her episode came out, and I was like, man, I fought I fought her and I like her.
16:06
SPEAKER_02: Like she's wild, but like what you see is what you get, and I really liked that about her.
16:12
SPEAKER_02: Um and I think we were also we're the two youngest girls on the show.
16:16
SPEAKER_02: And so I just think we had a lot of similarities there where we were just trying hard to figure it out, and we're trying to be ourselves, but also we know it's gonna be on the camera, and it's just like it's just like it's a really tough, it's a really tough thing to try to balance.
16:30
SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, I you know there's people like Chandler.
16:33
SPEAKER_02: Chandler is super authentic.
16:35
SPEAKER_02: What you see on there is him all the time.
16:37
SPEAKER_02: Um but there's things they left out, they made some people look worse than they were, and they made some people look like angels, and I don't know why they did that.
16:47
SPEAKER_02: Right.
16:47
SPEAKER_02: So, but we'll see.
16:48
SPEAKER_02: Maybe, maybe more is gonna come out still.
16:50
SPEAKER_00: But one thing I did kind of take issue with your episode was the way that they kind of painted your two characters into a corner.
16:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
17:00
SPEAKER_00: It seemed like if you and Juliana were a comedy duo, she's the slapstick and you're the straight one.
17:07
SPEAKER_00: Like, because all of your interview clips were very straight.
17:10
SPEAKER_00: They were very concise to the point, and hers were all very emotional.
17:14
SPEAKER_00: And I'm not saying that in a negative way or or a positive way.
17:17
SPEAKER_00: It just was like it was almost to me edited in a way that could almost predetermine the outcome, like, or or give somebody that has or give somebody that ha already has some insight, going, okay, I know how this is gonna play out because they're telling a story here.
17:34
SPEAKER_00: But that's kind of that's kind of the the haphazard of reality TV in general.
17:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I can tell they didn't try to keep too much a secret.
17:42
SPEAKER_02: Um, because even like in the very first episode, like when it ended and they were showing commercials, they showed her and I fighting.
17:48
SPEAKER_02: Right.
17:48
SPEAKER_02: So like people knew that was gonna happen.
17:51
SPEAKER_02: Right.
17:51
SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, I think they just hope people are gonna watch anyway.
17:54
SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
17:55
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, I thought the same thing.
17:56
SPEAKER_00: So who did you get closest to in the house while you were there?
18:00
SPEAKER_02: Oh, Brogan.
18:01
SPEAKER_00: Really?
18:02
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like like Juliana and I had some really good conversations, but at the same time, we were still on separate teams.
18:08
SPEAKER_02: Right.
18:09
SPEAKER_02: So um I think we probably both kind of felt like we were being watched by our teammates a little bit.
18:15
SPEAKER_02: And you know, and it's it is still the team thing's real, like everyone gets along so well, and then you get assigned teams, and it is a crazy shift.
18:25
SPEAKER_02: It's crazy, and it's crazy how real that is.
18:28
SPEAKER_02: So it's pretty funny.
18:29
SPEAKER_02: Like the like the eight girls, we were so tight day one.
18:32
SPEAKER_02: It's so funny.
18:34
SPEAKER_02: Um, and so the the shift that that took was really crazy.
18:36
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, Brogan and I roomed together, and I have never, never, ever gotten so close to someone so quickly.
18:45
SPEAKER_02: Like it was it was really awesome.
18:47
SPEAKER_02: It was really wild.
18:47
SPEAKER_02: It was so funny because we her and I were always trying to trying to have these like secret conversations.
18:52
SPEAKER_02: So we're like trying to cover our mics and whisper, but then they come in right away and they put the cameras on you, and they're like, uh-uh, don't cover them.
18:59
SPEAKER_02: And we're like, well, we're done talking.
19:01
SPEAKER_02: Then we're done talking.
19:01
SPEAKER_02: We tried to like have we'd like have conversations in the bathroom, close the door.
19:05
SPEAKER_00: I was just gonna ask if you ducked in the bathroom.
19:07
SPEAKER_00: That's funny.
19:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
19:09
SPEAKER_00: So what's it like to be on the opposite team of somebody that's on your team outside of the show?
19:16
SPEAKER_02: You know, like like Zach and I have always been really cool, and he's definitely like we definitely talked a lot leading up to the show.
19:21
SPEAKER_02: Right, just talking about how did you prepare, what did people tell you, and so we're like sharing information, whose team you want to be on, that stuff.
19:28
SPEAKER_02: Um, I I for some reason I just thought we'd be on the same team.
19:31
SPEAKER_02: I don't know why.
19:32
SPEAKER_02: I just thought we would.
19:33
SPEAKER_02: And um, you know, I had a lot of faith in Zach in general going into the show, and so I think I just wanted to be on his team also.
19:42
SPEAKER_02: But he he's Zach's really cool.
19:44
SPEAKER_02: Zach's no drama, even if it looked like he was this last episode, he just has a good time.
19:48
SPEAKER_01: Right.
19:49
SPEAKER_02: He doesn't dislike anybody, but he also doesn't really care about anybody.
19:53
SPEAKER_02: Like he's just he's just Zach.
19:54
SPEAKER_02: So he was easy.
19:55
SPEAKER_02: We talked a lot still the whole time.
19:57
SPEAKER_02: We talked a lot about like team stuff, and oh, I wonder how the team's doing back home.
20:00
SPEAKER_02: And our team was in a transition at the time, so we got to talk a lot about that.
20:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so have you maintained contact with like Bobby after the show?
20:07
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, um, I kind of fall on and off.
20:09
SPEAKER_02: Like when I first got out, I didn't really talk to anybody, and then I have days where I'm feeling talkative and I'll catch up with two people, and then I drop off again.
20:17
SPEAKER_02: So that's kind of where I'm at still.
20:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
20:19
SPEAKER_02: Um, I kept up with Bobby, but the other thing for me is like the the drama with Juliana and Bobby.
20:25
SPEAKER_02: I just like have not wanted to be a part of it.
20:29
SPEAKER_01: Right.
20:29
SPEAKER_02: So it's just kind of crazy for me to watch because like I see where they're both coming from.
20:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
20:35
SPEAKER_02: But I just don't think it should be, I don't think there should be drama surrounding it, if that makes sense.
20:40
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, because now looking at it, I'm like, I see why Juliana was mad.
20:44
SPEAKER_02: And I didn't hear the conversations that she was having with him or just with her team about it.
20:49
SPEAKER_02: So I was just, I was around when we were all around, you know.
20:52
SPEAKER_02: And so like we're having these conversations, but there's people all around us.
20:55
SPEAKER_02: So I didn't think it was that big of a deal.
20:57
SPEAKER_02: And, you know, he never once, we never once even talked about mine and Juliana's prior fight.
21:02
SPEAKER_02: Like we never talked fighting.
21:03
SPEAKER_02: It was just like, we actually Bobby and I talked a lot about um, I talked to him a lot about how I thought I was half-assing things, and like, and just with the sport.
21:13
SPEAKER_02: And so we actually talked the most after mine and Juliana's fight and just talked about how I wanted to change things when I got home.
21:20
SPEAKER_02: I was like, if I go home and do the exact same things I was doing, that's how I'm gonna waste this experience.
21:24
SPEAKER_00: One thing I've been talking to a lot of my friends about in a very similar context.
21:29
SPEAKER_00: Have you ever read or listened to the book Atomic Habits by James Clear?
21:34
SPEAKER_02: Yes, I have read the whole book twice.
21:36
SPEAKER_00: Okay, we're on the same page.
21:38
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's been that's been my treadmill listen lately.
21:42
SPEAKER_00: It's like because I'm trying to try to break some break some habits and like you know, break it down.
21:48
SPEAKER_00: So I totally get that.
21:50
SPEAKER_02: I like the scientific approach to it.
21:52
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, me too.
21:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, me too.
21:54
SPEAKER_02: Because it's it's it's like it's easy to be educated and be like, oh, this is a better choice for me than that.
21:59
SPEAKER_02: But Doing it is just different.
22:01
SPEAKER_02: Like rewiring your brain is tough.
22:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I it it was a nice break because the last few books before that, you know, of the same ilk, if you will, was you know, David Goggins Can't Hurt Me and Jocko's book as well.
22:16
SPEAKER_00: And and and I was just like, you know, not everybody can be David Goggins and not everybody can be Jocko.
22:22
SPEAKER_00: And if you get too enthralled in their books, you kind of lose the other the humanity that there's actually psychology involved with some of this stuff.
22:32
SPEAKER_00: It's not a you're weak, you're strong kind of thing.
22:35
SPEAKER_00: Right.
22:35
SPEAKER_02: Like there's David Goggins is interesting.
22:37
SPEAKER_02: Because you know, when you're reading it, you're like, oh, and this time he did it.
22:39
SPEAKER_02: And it's like, oh no, he failed.
22:41
SPEAKER_00: Right.
22:41
SPEAKER_02: Okay, and this time he did it, and he fails again.
22:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
22:44
SPEAKER_02: Oh, all right.
22:45
SPEAKER_00: I think it was uh a root.
22:47
SPEAKER_00: I was talking to him a couple of weeks ago, and he goes, and he was like, David Goggins wasn't born with a heart condition.
22:53
SPEAKER_00: He gave himself a heart condition.
22:55
SPEAKER_00: And I'm like, fair enough.
22:57
SPEAKER_02: Probably true.
22:58
SPEAKER_02: Fair enough.
22:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
23:00
SPEAKER_00: Fair enough.
23:01
SPEAKER_00: What was the best advice you were given before going on the show?
23:04
SPEAKER_00: And by who?
23:06
SPEAKER_02: I I'd say probably, probably Raquel Pennington and JJ Aldrich.
23:10
SPEAKER_02: So they gave me like the best advice.
23:12
SPEAKER_02: And you know, a lot of people said the whole like, you're not there for friends, right?
23:18
SPEAKER_02: And it's like you're there for business.
23:20
SPEAKER_02: And so it's one of those things where I can hear something a million times, but I have to learn things the hard way.
23:27
SPEAKER_02: And I still learned the hard way.
23:30
SPEAKER_02: So like every every single lesson of my life, I've had to go and fuck up and then try to do better the next time.
23:37
SPEAKER_02: And uh so it didn't, I feel like I don't it really almost like didn't even matter what people told me because I still went there wanting like I do I like connections with people, but um you know, I see what I see, like I saw what Juliana was doing, and like maybe I should have done a little more of what she was doing and being a little less friendly and trying to like make lifetime connections, like like lifelong connections and stuff.
24:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but there's a merit to that too, you know.
24:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
24:07
SPEAKER_00: I I'm glad you brought that up because you have a pretty cool tribe there in Colorado.
24:13
SPEAKER_02: I do, it's so good.
24:14
SPEAKER_02: I'm so used to it.
24:16
SPEAKER_00: Right, and and it's and that's one of the fun things about following you on social media, actually following you and following Miranda.
24:23
SPEAKER_00: And it's it's because to see all of you guys interact with each other, it's like uh, you know, I say this to everybody from elevation that's been on my show.
24:33
SPEAKER_00: There's something different about all of you guys that I don't see with other fighters.
24:38
SPEAKER_00: There's a certain level of heart and connection, so right.
24:41
SPEAKER_02: I think it comes from our coaches for sure, because most of our coaches came up on a fight team together.
24:47
unknown: Right.
24:47
SPEAKER_02: So, and you know, and it wasn't always like that for them.
24:49
SPEAKER_02: I think they just um, you know, they've gotten way better relationships throughout the years, and you know, I just I think that that just sprinkles down on the team, and it's so nice too, because like everything we have here is real, it's so real.
25:03
SPEAKER_02: Like Miranda is one of my really good friends.
25:05
SPEAKER_02: Like, just do I still get really mad at her?
25:07
SPEAKER_02: Like, yes, it totally happens, but we talk about it and it's nice, and then we let it go, you know, and it's like that happens with everybody, like everyone has had a problem with someone at some point, and we all talk about it, right?
25:19
SPEAKER_02: And then we move on, and it's so nice.
25:21
SPEAKER_02: Like, there's no cattiness, nothing.
25:24
SPEAKER_02: So, but it's also kind of a thing now where I go other places thinking that everyone else is going to be like that.
25:30
SPEAKER_02: Um, and that's just not the case, right?
25:32
SPEAKER_02: You know, and that and that's uh like I said, that's the other thing with with Juliana.
25:36
SPEAKER_02: Like, I had people tell me, Oh, she says crazy stuff behind your back.
25:38
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, you know, I expect a lot of it.
25:40
SPEAKER_02: I do.
25:41
SPEAKER_02: We fought each other, we've now fought each other twice, you know.
25:44
SPEAKER_02: Like I expect her to say she's gonna beat me and that maybe I'm bad at this.
25:49
SPEAKER_02: I totally expect it, but she says these things to my face, right?
25:52
SPEAKER_02: So, like, I we have a good relationship now because of that.
25:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's part of the fight game, too.
25:57
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you have to you have to play the psychology of it just like anything else.
26:02
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
26:04
SPEAKER_00: So, who all is in your tribe if you were to describe your tribe?
26:07
SPEAKER_00: Just because I like the sound of names dropping.
26:10
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
26:11
SPEAKER_02: Um, okay, so like my tribe here in Colorado.
26:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
26:14
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
26:15
SPEAKER_02: Uh, it is JJ Aldrich, Miranda Maverick, Mallory Martin, uh, Carson Nash.
26:22
SPEAKER_02: Carson is still an amateur fighter, but she signed with Invicta.
26:25
SPEAKER_02: Um, Raquel Pennington.
26:28
SPEAKER_02: That's like that's like the the big part of our group.
26:31
SPEAKER_02: Um, Kat Leonard, she's new, but she's fit into the group pretty quickly here.
26:35
SPEAKER_02: And she's got a good her and Mallory are um both have some big Invicta fights coming up, so that's gonna be cool.
26:41
SPEAKER_02: Um, I think that that's it.
26:42
SPEAKER_02: I don't want to forget anybody.
26:44
SPEAKER_02: I think that's the gist of it.
26:45
SPEAKER_02: We have like a couple other people.
26:47
SPEAKER_02: Um we have like a couple other girls who are, I mean, who are ride or dies for the team who do jujitsu or are amateur fighters.
26:54
SPEAKER_02: Um, but really like, yeah, JJ, Miranda, Raquel.
26:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, those are like my girls that I spar with.
27:00
SPEAKER_00: Your bowling league.
27:02
SPEAKER_02: And also, and Lauren Murphy too.
27:03
SPEAKER_02: Lauren's only been out here for with us for this camp, but man, she fit in right away and she loved it.
27:08
SPEAKER_02: So she, you know, she came out to visit, she went home, came right back, and uh, I hope she stays.
27:14
SPEAKER_02: I hope she stays out here because she's been awesome to have.
27:16
SPEAKER_00: That's a big fight for her coming up.
27:19
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I mean I I'm so excited for her.
27:21
SPEAKER_02: Like, one of the things about Lauren is like I think that like one of the reasons that she's gotten where she is and has separated herself from a lot of people is like her grit and her mindset when she fights.
27:31
SPEAKER_02: Um, I just think she always performs.
27:33
SPEAKER_02: Like, I think she's one of those people where like her her mindset can almost like take her above her skills in some fights.
27:41
SPEAKER_02: So I think that's really cool.
27:42
SPEAKER_02: And like I'm realizing how important that is in fighting.
27:45
SPEAKER_02: So I love this fight with her for um, this fight for her with Misha.
27:48
SPEAKER_02: I think it's gonna be a great fight for Lauren.
27:50
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure.
27:52
SPEAKER_02: How cool to fight someone like Misha Tate.
27:53
SPEAKER_02: That's just right, right?
27:56
SPEAKER_00: Former champion and big brother champion.
27:59
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
28:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right, right.
28:01
SPEAKER_02: I still need to watch her her uh season.
28:03
SPEAKER_00: So, what do you do to de-stress?
28:06
SPEAKER_02: Oh, see, I gotta work on that.
28:08
SPEAKER_02: Um, I think I almost don't know what de-stress means.
28:10
SPEAKER_02: I think I'm trying to figure that out because in the past it's always been I go to work and I do accounting work, and I don't think that that's really de-stressing.
28:17
SPEAKER_02: So I'm really excited to see what my mind feels like when I get a break from this.
28:21
SPEAKER_02: Um, but I have been trying to um I do more yoga, stretch more, like just recovery is a big part of my year right now.
28:30
SPEAKER_02: That was like something I really wanted to focus on this year.
28:33
SPEAKER_02: Um, and so I just really try to relax while I'm doing that, try to enjoy it.
28:37
SPEAKER_02: I try to meditate.
28:39
SPEAKER_02: I am not great at it, but I'm working on it.
28:42
SPEAKER_02: Um, and I honestly feel like watching fights.
28:45
SPEAKER_02: I feel like watching fights is like a de-stressor for me.
28:48
SPEAKER_02: I love watching fights and just like analyzing them.
28:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
28:51
SPEAKER_02: And I say it's a de-stressor, but also I've checked my heart rate when I watch fights, and it's like I'm working out.
28:57
SPEAKER_02: Like it's wild.
28:58
SPEAKER_02: Like I burn calories watching fights.
29:01
SPEAKER_00: It's pretty crazy.
29:02
SPEAKER_00: So, have you ever considered, like with an analytical mindset like that, doing any commentary in the future, or have you done commentary?
29:11
SPEAKER_02: Um, so I hadn't thought about it before.
29:14
SPEAKER_02: Um, but I've had so many people now with Invicta and with Tough and like just coaches.
29:19
SPEAKER_02: Like I've had a lot of people give me some really positive feedback and tell me that like um I could really have a future with that.
29:25
SPEAKER_02: And now I'm thinking about it, like now I'm loving it.
29:28
SPEAKER_02: Uh so I'm kind of following Megan Anderson and watching what she does.
29:31
SPEAKER_02: You know, she's been commentating with Invicta.
29:33
SPEAKER_02: I just like Megan.
29:34
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I do too.
29:36
SPEAKER_02: I do too.
29:36
SPEAKER_00: That was really sad that when she just stopped.
29:41
SPEAKER_02: I know, I know, I know.
29:42
SPEAKER_02: We'll see what happens.
29:43
SPEAKER_02: She keeps saying that she didn't retire.
29:45
SPEAKER_02: So, but um, I have thought about reaching out to both her and Laura Senko and just kind of asking like what that looked like for them when they got started.
29:53
SPEAKER_02: Um, yeah, it's definitely something I'm interested in, but I know I've I've got to start making steps if I want to do it for sure.
29:58
SPEAKER_00: You've got a great speaking voice.
30:01
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
30:01
SPEAKER_00: I appreciate that.
30:02
SPEAKER_00: If you got that analytical mindset, then why not merge the two together and do it?
30:08
SPEAKER_02: Right.
30:09
SPEAKER_02: And I love, I mean, I love it.
30:10
SPEAKER_02: I love it.
30:11
SPEAKER_02: And I didn't realize too when I watch fights with other people, the things that I pick up that I just thought, well, one, I thought everyone watched every MMA fight.
30:19
SPEAKER_02: Like I watched every Invicta LFA, like every UFC fight, everything.
30:22
SPEAKER_02: I thought that was normal.
30:24
SPEAKER_02: Apparently, a lot of people don't do that.
30:26
SPEAKER_02: But um, yeah, I don't miss anything.
30:28
SPEAKER_02: And yeah, it's just fun for me.
30:30
SPEAKER_02: It's fun.
30:30
SPEAKER_02: Like, even if on days I don't spar, I go and watch sparring and I really like try to pick people apart and see what they're doing, what's working, what's not working.
30:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I got a few friends that are casuals.
30:40
SPEAKER_00: And if I'm having like a UFC party at my house and I'll I'll barbecue up some food, and I'll be sitting there doing just that.
30:47
SPEAKER_00: I'll be like analyzing it.
30:48
SPEAKER_00: I'm like, okay, he's going for a calf kick next.
30:50
SPEAKER_02: And they're like, how do you even fucking know that?
30:53
SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
30:55
SPEAKER_02: You're like, oh, head kick's coming, and then there it is.
30:57
SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah, yeah, exactly.
30:59
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so that's funny.
31:00
SPEAKER_00: So, what is your advice right now for making the world a better place?
31:06
SPEAKER_02: Oh, for making the world a better place.
31:08
SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, I think this is pretty uh, this is probably pretty common sense, but man, I think it's just really supporting one another and realizing I always loved this quote, like realizing that there's enough sun for everyone, because there really is.
31:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
31:24
SPEAKER_02: Like if you are if you can figure out how to like be yourself and be authentic, like that's what the world needs.
31:31
SPEAKER_02: You know, I think we probably got too many copycats, and that's not real, and things look like, you know, I think people are getting tired of the things that look like just like cookie cutouts, right?
31:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
31:41
SPEAKER_02: Um, and you know, again, that's why we have such a good thing going on here in Colorado, because we all genuinely support each other and we try to kick each other's ass, but we still support each other.
31:50
SPEAKER_02: Right.
31:50
SPEAKER_02: And uh it's been that's been interesting since tough too.
31:53
SPEAKER_02: It's like I I do feel like there's been a lot more love out there, which I appreciate.
31:57
SPEAKER_02: It's kind of given me more hope in people.
31:59
SPEAKER_02: And I realize that there are a lot of good people out there.
32:02
SPEAKER_02: Um, but then there's those, then there's then there's those other people who I I don't know, I don't know what it is yet.
32:08
SPEAKER_02: I don't know how people can get so angry at people they don't know.
32:12
SPEAKER_01: Right.
32:13
SPEAKER_02: So I mean they need help, and I don't know what that help is, but I'd love to help those people too.
32:19
SPEAKER_00: Six months from now, what does your life look like?
32:23
SPEAKER_02: Oh man, I think for sure, I mean I I'm feeling really good about it.
32:26
SPEAKER_02: I think six months from now, um, I have a UFC contract.
32:30
SPEAKER_02: I think I've already, I think I will have already fought for the UFC at one time, um, hopefully getting ready for another fight.
32:37
SPEAKER_02: Um, and you know, if it doesn't happen, I mean, like I'll find out soon, and uh I'm ready to take a fight as soon as I'm able to.
32:46
SPEAKER_02: So yeah, I'm just gonna keep fighting, keep doing this thing.
32:48
SPEAKER_02: You know, before even before I went on tough, I was really confident in um the path I'm on, and I'm still really confident in it.
32:54
SPEAKER_02: Like no matter what happens, I know where I'm going.
32:56
SPEAKER_02: I know that I want to fight for a really long time.
32:59
SPEAKER_02: Um I know I'm gonna get where I want to go.
33:01
SPEAKER_00: That's amazing.
33:02
SPEAKER_00: That's great.
33:04
SPEAKER_00: Claire, thanks for doing the show.
33:06
SPEAKER_00: I appreciate it.
33:07
SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much.
33:08
SPEAKER_02: This has been fun.
33:09
SPEAKER_00: Yes, so we're you're gonna come back and do it again.
33:12
SPEAKER_02: Yes, definitely.
33:13
SPEAKER_02: In six months, maybe.
33:14
SPEAKER_02: Right.
33:15
SPEAKER_02: We've got some of these things going.
33:16
SPEAKER_00: Yes, that sounds awesome.
33:18
SPEAKER_00: Thanks again.
33:18
SPEAKER_00: The world's a better place with you in it.
33:20
SPEAKER_02: Oh, thank you.
33:21
SPEAKER_02: I appreciate that.
33:23
SPEAKER_00: That episode was awesome.
33:24
SPEAKER_00: And make sure you pay attention to Claire because I will concur some big things are gonna happen for her in the next six months.
33:33
SPEAKER_00: I can just feel it.
33:34
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33:39
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34:23
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