Latest / The Driven Athlete / Jiu-Jitsu Artistry & Balanced Martial Arts Lifestyle with Ryan Conforti | Ep 25

Transcript

Jiu-Jitsu Artistry & Balanced Martial Arts Lifestyle with Ryan Conforti | Ep 25 · The Driven Athlete

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: If you're a driven, active person who wants to reach and pursue a higher quality life with some ambition, then guess what this podcast is for you.
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: This is the Driven Athlete Podcast.
• 0:10
  Speaker 1: What's up?
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: Y'all?
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: It's your man, dr Kyle.
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Driven Athlete Podcast.
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: We've got a really cool guest with us, ryan Conforti.
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: Thanks for coming in, man.
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: I know you're a busy dude, so I appreciate you your time coming in.
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: Thank you, man.
• 0:26
  Speaker 1: I know you're a busy dude, so appreciate you your time coming in.
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: Thank you, um.
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: So tell us more.
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: Um, just, ryan's a black belt jujitsu um expert.
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he owns his own jujitsu gym, rogue wave, in west palm, correct.
• 0:34
  Speaker 2: Tell us more about rogue wave and where it's located uh, so rogue wave is off of belvedere and dixie in industry alley, which is kind of like this cool artistic small business center just south of downtown West Palm Beach, and we've been in there for just over three years now and specialize in no-gi jiu-jitsu, brazilian jiu-jitsu and a little bit of kickboxing too, because in addition to being a black belt in Jiu Jitsu and also third degree black belt in Taekwondo and have some Judo experience and a couple other things as well too.
• 1:12
  Speaker 2: So it was trying to like incorporate a little bit of everything, but primarily Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
• 1:18
  Speaker 2: No Gi Jiu Jitsu is what we do.
• 1:20
  Speaker 1: Cool, explain Gi or no Gi so.
• 1:25
  Speaker 2: Gi is the traditional form of Brazilian jujitsu.
• 1:28
  Speaker 2: You wear the kimono jacket that, uh, people always associate with like judo, obviously, yeah.
• 1:35
  Speaker 2: And then no Gi jujitsu.
• 1:37
  Speaker 2: You don't have the Gi, um, you have.
• 1:40
  Speaker 2: You wear like compression rash guards, like like, almost like a surfer would, so you don't have the grips of a jacket, so it's a little bit faster, slipperier, more similar to wrestling as far as the feel, but you do all the submission attacks and everything that are in Jiu-Jitsu and it's a lot more popular now and it the reason why we, the culture of jiu-jitsu, transitioned into no gi was because of the popularity of mma, where obviously they they don't wear gis, but they still have to do jiu-jitsu right so the gi is just the, the jacket, the, the white karate jacket, people would think.
• 2:25
  Speaker 1: And then you can use the jacket.
• 2:26
  Speaker 1: If you're doing gi jiu-jitsu, you can use that for grappling and gripping and stuff like that.
• 2:31
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 2:31
  Speaker 1: Whereas the no-gi they have underarmor rash guards and you don't have that element.
• 2:36
  Speaker 2: Part of it, right?
• 2:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so in the gi you have chokes that require the collar of the gi?
• 2:43
  Speaker 2: Gi and you can.
• 2:43
  Speaker 2: You can use those grips for, um, really good forms of control.
• 2:48
  Speaker 2: And then, no gi, you have to get a little bit more creative in terms of how you actually grip your partner, uh, just like on their neck, on their wrist and things like that gotcha yeah, okay.
• 3:00
  Speaker 1: Um, what got you interested?
• 3:02
  Speaker 1: Just injitsu in the first place?
• 3:04
  Speaker 2: So I always wanted to do martial arts as a kid, whether it was because of power rangers or mortal combat, teenage mutant Ninja turtles, like from as far back as I can remember but never had the ability to do so as a kid, uh, and then, even when I was in middle school and high school, I went to an art school, so they didn't have, um, sports like a traditional school was, so I couldn't even get into wrestling.
• 3:33
  Speaker 2: But when I went to college they had, uh, just free martial arts clubs.
• 3:40
  Speaker 2: So there's a Taekwondo club, there was a Kung Nu club, which is like a Vietnamese karate, and I was on campus anyway.
• 3:49
  Speaker 2: So I was like, oh, I'm gonna go do it.
• 3:51
  Speaker 2: And then, right away, obviously I enjoyed that.
• 3:56
  Speaker 2: So, probably not even a month later I was looking for stuff around my house as well, and there was a, an MMA school that had just opened.
• 4:04
  Speaker 2: So I also joined there so that I could do Brazilian jujitsu and get more stuff on the ground than what was offered in the the Kong new classes.
• 4:14
  Speaker 2: So I was just doing all of that all at the same time.
• 4:18
  Speaker 2: Uh, and that was back in 2005.
• 4:21
  Speaker 1: Cool.
• 4:22
  Speaker 1: What the difference of Brazilian jiu-jitsu, taekwondo, muay Thai, all the forms of martial arts.
• 4:32
  Speaker 1: Martial arts in general has all these different elements, different styles, correct, yeah, okay.
• 4:41
  Speaker 2: So there's a bunch of different disciplines and mindsets behind each one, but a lot of them can just be categorized into, like their sport form.
• 4:53
  Speaker 2: So real old school, traditional Taekwondo is it's it's just fighting and includes everything that exists in fighting, but as a sport, as like what they've chosen to, sort of like master and the.
• 5:12
  Speaker 2: The focus of the techniques that they wanted to explore was all based around kicking.
• 5:18
  Speaker 2: So in taekwondo, especially in the sport form and in competition it's you know, head kicks score higher than a body kick.
• 5:30
  Speaker 2: They don't even acknowledge leg kicks.
• 5:34
  Speaker 2: They don't really worry about punches at all because they want you.
• 5:39
  Speaker 2: The rules and the scoring system force you into a situation where you're really only going to be kicking, and you want to be kicking to the head, you want to be kicking in the air, you want to spin, because all those things score higher.
• 5:54
  Speaker 2: So a flying, spinning head kick scores a lot more than just a roundhouse kick while you're standing.
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: So Taekwondo is kicking, yeah, and in the sport of like, you get points based off of landing, head kicks or body kicks, correct.
• 6:10
  Speaker 1: And then what's what?
• 6:11
  Speaker 1: Muay thai?
• 6:11
  Speaker 1: What's that?
• 6:12
  Speaker 1: So?
• 6:12
  Speaker 2: muay thai will.
• 6:13
  Speaker 2: There's there's a very heavy focus on kicks as well.
• 6:16
  Speaker 2: There's their kicks score more than their punches.
• 6:20
  Speaker 2: Punches don't really score, but, um, they do punch a lot more.
• 6:24
  Speaker 2: They're they do punch a lot more, they punch a little bit more.
• 6:27
  Speaker 2: Almost similar to boxing, which has no kicks at all.
• 6:30
  Speaker 2: But the difference with Muay Thai is it also incorporates elbows and knees, and you could also clinch, so you can actually grab onto your partner, hold onto their neck and throw knees and elbows in a really close range.
• 6:43
  Speaker 2: And then they also score heavily sweeps so you can trip your opponent and knock them down.
• 6:48
  Speaker 2: You can't wrestle them to the ground, you can't do anything on the ground.
• 6:51
  Speaker 2: You can't do any of that in Taekwondo either.
• 6:53
  Speaker 2: So what they look for is very fast, very hard kicks, and they allow kicks to the legs, sweeps, and they like knees a lot too.
• 7:06
  Speaker 1: Interesting, okay.
• 7:07
  Speaker 1: And then boxing and kickboxing are just upright standing striking, kicking and punching.
• 7:13
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 7:14
  Speaker 2: So boxing everybody's pretty familiar with boxing there's no kicks, there's no knees, very little clenching, no elbows.
• 7:21
  Speaker 2: It's all just an expression of what you can do with your hands and it's really an expression in in how to not get hit by somebody who's trying to hit you right.
• 7:31
  Speaker 2: So it's, it's, it's really good, um, to uh, to watch from the outside, like the, the defense and the movement.
• 7:39
  Speaker 2: Kickboxing is the same exact thing, but it allows kicks.
• 7:43
  Speaker 2: Uh, don't really allow kicks.
• 7:46
  Speaker 2: Some scoring systems don't allow kicks to the legs, some do, um, so it's, it's upper body kicks, but uh, they reward the same punches and clinching that you would find in boxing interesting.
• 7:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, on the topic of boxing, what are your thoughts on the mike tyson jake paul fight coming?
• 8:02
  Speaker 2: up.
• 8:03
  Speaker 2: I think it's going to be one of the biggest, if not the biggest, sporting event that you could do, because they were very intelligent in putting it on Netflix, because everybody has Netflix.
• 8:18
  Speaker 2: It doesn't cost anything, it's not a pay-per-view, and it's going to be live, which Netflix rarely ever does anything live.
• 8:24
  Speaker 2: So I feel like it's going to be something which which netflix rarely ever does anything live.
• 8:26
  Speaker 2: So I I feel like it's going to be something.
• 8:27
  Speaker 2: It'll be a spectacle that everybody will watch competitively.
• 8:31
  Speaker 2: Um, I don't know.
• 8:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, mike tyson is is older.
• 8:37
  Speaker 2: He's still always going to be extremely dangerous.
• 8:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, um watching some training videos.
• 8:43
  Speaker 2: He's still like super, yeah, swift it's tough because he, he, he, he came back before um, he had like a another match with holyfield or something and like there was some some sort of agreement that they weren't going to try to knock each other out.
• 9:00
  Speaker 2: So it was like a lot of body shots and it went to a decision or something.
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: So the thing with boxing is it's always tough to like not assume that there's something going on behind the scenes, interesting like it's.
• 9:14
  Speaker 2: It's unfortunately that sport has just been riddled with controversy over like is this fixed?
• 9:18
  Speaker 2: Is somebody getting paid?
• 9:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think jake paul has had a fight that somebody hasn't suspected that somebody was paid off, which is, which is a shame because it's not like he's not good.
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: But you know he knocks out Tyron Woodley and everyone just assumes Tyron Woodley was paid off.
• 9:36
  Speaker 2: He probably wasn't, but it's it's already assumed that I don't think Tyson would ever take the money or something like that.
• 9:50
  Speaker 2: But there's like already assumed that Jake Paul is going to win and and probably get paid to do so.
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: A lot of skeptics involved.
• 9:56
  Speaker 2: Well, it's hard not to see the motive behind it, because if you're, if you're involved in any way, shape or form, in the sport of boxing and its promotion, you absolutely want Jake Paul to win, because he's going to fight again, he's going to bring eyes and money to the sport.
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: Everyone will tune in for Mike Tyson, but is Tyson ever going to fight again?
• 10:18
  Speaker 2: Probably not.
• 10:20
  Speaker 2: That makes sense.
• 10:20
  Speaker 2: So there's almost like a that's what they want.
• 10:25
  Speaker 2: Whether or not that's what they get, I don't know, but it's very difficult not to look at the majority of sports through the lens of WWE, where the best thing is that they can predict the outcome and they can get the results they want.
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: So it's an understatement.
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: So you meanwe is not real wait a second here, yeah, uh, yeah okay, all right, so continuing the conversation, all the facets of martial arts, then what jujitsu is, explain jujitsu it's only grappling and rolling, is that correct?
• 11:03
  Speaker 2: yeah, so it all, it all takes place.
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: Uh, I shouldn't say it all takes place on the ground, but the majority of the techniques take place on the ground, because the only things that you do on the feet are the wrestling aspects of how you get somebody to the ground.
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: Uh, after that, all the positions, all the scoring positions, take place on the ground, and then you can end the match with a submission, whether it's a strangulation or joint lock um.
• 11:31
  Speaker 2: So that's that's how that's scored.
• 11:34
  Speaker 2: They're looking for pins similar to wrestling um, and then, eventually, the offensive actions that lead to a strangle or submission gotcha, which then leads to the victory or point scored, is it usually?
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: does it always end in a tap out, or it's like it goes until someone taps, or are there points like in boxing?
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: There's points.
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: They don't do rounds like boxing or MMA, so it's one round in, depending on the competition or depending on the rule set.
• 12:06
  Speaker 2: Say, it's a six-minute match and within those six minutes you have to try and submit your opponent and if you don't and it's a competition that uses a scoring system they tally up the points, which are based off of positions.
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: There are competitions that don't have points and they're submission only.
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: Do you just go until there's some submits, yes and no.
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: There are things with no time limit, but the majority of them all have time limits.
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: So if there's no submission and a submission only competition, at the end of the time limit, they'll either do an overtime round where you do the same thing again.
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: They'll do an overtime round where it's the first person to score, which is usually the first person to get a takedown, or they'll even set up overtime rules where you start in a specific position that's very close to a submission, and then it's.
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: And then go from there, yeah, and if you escape, or you get the submission specific position that's very close to a submission and then it's, I think, go from there, yeah, and it's.
• 13:05
  Speaker 2: If you escape, or you get the submission, you, you win that, that that part of the overtime round interesting.
• 13:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so then your gym rogue wave.
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: Um, just it's, it's a jujitsu gym.
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: You guys also do kickboxing instruction and classes correct?
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, more fitness based, or is it like instruction for competition?
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: instruction for competition.
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, cool, it's, it's, it's, it's uh, like point muay thai, which is kind of like um, uh, just below, say like amateur kickboxing level or amateur mma.
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: Um, we'll probably get into that stuff at some point as we we have students get more and more experienced.
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: Um, myself and and and Ray, the other kickboxing instructor that I have, like we have higher level experience and MMA experience.
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: But, um, because kickboxing isn't the primary focus of our school and because a lot of the students that we have there are beginners, it's really just about like learning the art of Muay Thai and kickboxing.
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: But you know, sometimes people want to compete.
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: So we kind of tailor things more towards like point Muay Thai, which is all the same rules, it's just a little bit more controlled, a little bit safer and it's more of like a beginner level entry level to competition before you start going like 100% full contact Gotcha, yeah.
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: And you guys also do fitness classes at Rook Wave too, right?
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do.
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: Three times a week in the morning we do a class that's mostly kettlebells and body weight, but I'll incorporate resistance bands or steel mace or steel club or medicine balls or a couple other functional equipments, because it's a jujitsu school and we have mats we don't do anything heavy with like barbells and stuff like that.
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: Maybe, maybe in the next the, the bigger and improved version of rogue wave.
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: Next phases yeah, we will have like a full on gym for stuff like that.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: But yeah, next phases, yeah, we'll have like a full-on gym for stuff like that.
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: But yeah, right now we have like a pretty cool little group that comes in three times a week for kettlebell workouts and stuff.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: Cool, okay, good, nice.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: So you guys do jujitsu, kickboxing instruction and kettlebell functional fitness classes.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, cool, that's awesome.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: What would you say Like well, you guys have really good.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: I mean you yourself.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: You've super experienced and knowledgeable in MMA, black belt and then also recently, um the, you got a certificate for best competitor in 2023 or something like that, or highest ranked jujitsu competitor, is that right?
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, um, we, we compete a lot and I still compete a lot.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: I try to compete, uh, at least once a month, cause it just kind of helps stay in that that groove.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: I can't seem to get myself out of this mindset of like.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: I need to like lead by example and lead from the front.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: So if I have my students got to go compete and I'm going to be there to coach so long as there aren't so many students competing, then I want to jump in there and compete alongside them and I've found that if you compete often you're way more relaxed.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: You don't really get anxious going into the competitions, right.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: So once that that happened, it kind of like snowballed into this thing where I think for the last two plus years I think, I've just competed like every month, like just non-stop and, um, luckily I do well yeah, clearly, I mean you were.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: You were the best ranked jujitsu competitor in 2023.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Is that?
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Is that what it was?
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: Within um, within this, this organization, the new breed uh federation, which is like a, a local I shouldn't say local, it's it's national um competition circuit.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: They, they go around the country but they, they hold a lot of events.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: They'll do like you know, they're they're in Florida or like every other month or something, and um, so they're they're the most common competition for us to sign up for, because they're they're here so often and they're they're pretty big.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: So I guess I did um enough of them in 2023 and did well enough in the competitions that I did that I was the number one ranked athlete in the country within new breed.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: It's not, it's not a, it's not ADCC or any any like super high level uh competition, but um, it's still a national competition.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: It was, it was kind of cool to get that Cause.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that they even did that, or that I or that I or that I competed enough to um to even be considered for it, but I, I guess I did.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: That's cool man.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Well, congrats, dude.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a huge event.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: That's a great accomplishment.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: It's awesome.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, and our, our school, uh, we've won like best adult team twice within that organization for for, like, a specific event, event, like we went to an event and we got you know so many gold medals or something that we were the best team in in that event.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: We've we've gotten that a couple times now.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: We usually place top five or top three, um, and we don't we don't have a lot of competitors when we go do this thing, and sometimes it's like it's five of us versus you know schools that have like 20 competitors, yeah, but the difference is like all five of us get gold medals, yeah, so that's so when they school, when they tally up the scores, it's like, oh, actually, this is the the best adult team, and so we've, we've done that um, since we've opened, we've gotten awards for 2021, 2022 and now 2023, and already in 2024 we've placed in the top three.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: So I wouldn't be surprised if again, like sometime this year, we ended up with the best adult team again.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's awesome if you were to describe people I'm sure reach out to you a lot, and I would imagine a lot of people were like oh, I don't want to get hurt, you know.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: Or like it's intimidating, you know, I don't want to get like my arm ripped out and then punched in the face.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: What do you, what would you want to convey to people Like what is jujitsu, what is rogue waves version of that, like in your culture?
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: So I mean in jujitsu there's there's no strikes, so you, you certainly shouldn't be getting punched in the head or anything like that in jiu-jitsu.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: The biggest thing I think as far as my approach to the classes and my approach to sharing jiu-jitsu is a lot of jiu-jitsu schools come from MMA schools, because that's where most people get introduced to jiu-jitsu is through MMA and UFC.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: So a lot of jiu-jitsu schools are attached to an MMA school or it's an MMA school that has jiu-jitsu classes and then a jiu-jitsu instructor.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: But being that we are primarily a jiu-jitsu school and I've made it a point to not include like an MMA program at all, as much as I like it and I like teaching it and I like training all aspects of martial arts, like dynamically, like that our school is just a jiu-jitsu school.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: So it takes away a little bit of the intensity that you would find in an MMA school.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: It also keeps people that are looking for find in an MMA school.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: It also keeps people that are looking for MMA out of that school.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: So that helps.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: So we really focus on being almost like a traditional martial arts school just happens to be doing jujitsu and so there's a lot of effort and focus on the technique and learning the art of jiu-jitsu and it takes away a lot of the uh like aggressive competitiveness that you would find if you were in an mma school where competition is a heavy focus and you're fighting yeah yeah, so like we, we're not a fight school or mma school at all so the culture is different, as in like it's not as aggressive and intense as an mma full mma gym would be, yeah, focused on jujitsu, and you guys are a little bit more um, community-based and, like you mentioned, like people like, if you get you know, working on and just practice like there's no winners or losers, it's just everyone's practicing the art of jujitsu right during your sessions or whatever.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've found over the years you know as a student myself and other schools around where it can be very competition-based and being part of like MMA schools.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Like MMA is an individual sport where you're fighting another person, so the mentality behind it is very different and if you carry that over to jiu-jitsu, it could be a pretty unpleasant experience, because jiu-jitsu by its very nature requires you to work with a partner.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: And so what happens in what I've seen a lot in people trying to share jiu-jitsu is it becomes very competition based, and so you'll see, when they go to spar, it's just two people trying to uh like kill each other to a certain extent.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: And then what happens is especially beginners.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Beginners don't actually get better, they don't.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: They don't actually learn the art of jiu-jitsu, they just learn how to be tough.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: So then they get tough enough to kind of like withstand the beatings at these other schools.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: And then they get to like a higher level where now they're handing out the beatings to new students, but like they still haven't actually learned anything, meetings to new students, but like they still haven't actually learned anything.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: So like sometimes we get people from other schools and they come in, as you know, say like a blue belt or something that they've been training for a couple of years and like their jujitsu is terrible.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: They're just really, really aggressive and it's like, well that aggressive doesn't.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Aggressiveness doesn't really work against somebody who actually knows what they're doing.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: No-transcript, and it's a very bare bones curriculum of, like you know out, unevolved technique.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: So things evolve and change a little bit within the sport.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's still a.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: It's changed quite a bit.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: There's been a big change like a big evolutionary jump, I would say like in the last 10 years, maybe even last five years, of jiu-jitsu from what it was before that.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: So I I think even now there's probably been three or four, maybe even five different kind of like evolutionary jumps within jiu-jitsu as it's become more popular and as more and more competitions take place and people start being a little bit more artistic or more creative or they just find more efficient ways to do things, to do stuff.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that really is what it comes down to is what is the most efficient way to achieve this goal?
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: What is it that you like?
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: What draws you back consistently to jiu-jitsu?
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: What do you like about it so much it's fun.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Like what makes it fun?
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun because there is a lot of creativity to it.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: It's also there's a lot of dynamic parts to it, so it's like you're never getting presented with the same puzzle over and over again.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: You might see similar things, but there's always like something a little bit different when you're training with somebody or rolling with somebody, where there's like there's something slightly different with this puzzle.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: How do I solve it?
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: Interesting and mentally, physically, kind of going back to what I was saying about like not having this like overly competitive or overly aggressive approach to jujitsu, is where, as far as like training goes, like I train every day, I train multiple times a day, I teach, you know, like we have like eight classes on the schedule a day on the schedule a day and um and uh.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: You know it might have like it's wear and tear, but it's not the same as like man, if we trained really hard, uh and aggressively like you, would only come in like twice a week or something.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: But we we do it in a way where and jiu-jitsu is kind of easy to do.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: This is where you can train like every day and it's totally fine gotcha.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's definitely a lot more, and I remember talking about this before that because I have I've never done it before right, and the experience like so we don't know what to expect or like what, what it looks like or the aspects of the sport.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: I remember you saying before it's like it's definitely a chess match.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's thinking ahead and making sequences and moves to pin somebody or to get a joint lock or a strangulation hold, to pin them, um, and to get.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: There is like a different pathway every time.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: It's like if I do this move to get this move to this move, but they're also trying to do the same thing to you at the same time.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: So like defending against them while also implementing your own moves simultaneously yeah, because it, because it's like and people make the chess comparison a lot and it makes sense because there's a bunch of different ways that a sequence or a match can play out.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: But you have to predict, you have to think, well, what are they thinking?
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: If I do this move, what's his next move going to be?
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: And sometimes they don't give you the reaction that you thought they were going to and then, of course, correct change everything very dynamically and, um, that's cool, it is it is a lot of fun.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: um, if somebody was interested isn't like well usually and somebody wants to reach out, right, hey, you guys do jiu-jitsu like can, can I come do it?
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: What should I expect, right?
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: What do people usually ask?
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: What are new clients and new members that are interested usually ask you people don't usually just stumble upon jiu-jitsu itself because it's still kind of like a niche thing, but usually someone will get exposed to it through MMA or something like that.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: They'll see a fight or be familiar with fighting and they'll see what's happening on the ground.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Like a UFC fight or MMA fight that's popular on TV.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: They're like what is that?
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: And then on the ground, is that wrestling?
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Or what are they doing on the ground with the grappling Right?
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: yeah.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: So then that usually has them connect a couple dots before they even like, look up at jiu-jitsu school, so to speak.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: And it's not to say that we don't get people that are just looking for any kind of martial art and then come in and they're like, well, what do you guys do?
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, you, oh, you do jiu-jitsu.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: What's that?
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, um, that happens, uh, and I basically just kind of try to explain.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, it's like wrestling, because it is, um, but like everything takes place on the ground and you're trying to get strangulations and joint locks, and it's really that's the joint locks that you're looking for.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Um, uh, that that's mostly associated with jiu-jitsu plenty of strangles, but it's it's a little bit easier to present joint locks to a brand new person.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: What kind of emotional, like the mental aspect of the sport and training new members and whatever.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: What should they expect and what advice would you give them?
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: So we have all of our classes are mixed levels.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: We don't separate like, oh, the advanced people come on these days or these hours and the beginners come there.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: We have everybody work together, which I found to be really beneficial, because you'll have somebody who's brand new, who's getting help from somebody who's been doing it for a while and they've been a student there for a while.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: And they can see what higher level expert people are doing.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Like right that looks, you know, like oh, that's what it's supposed to look like yeah, yeah, um, and it's really good and it it really helps the like community of the school because it kind of like everybody's on the same level playing field, everybody's learning the same lesson, everybody's there together.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Um, even if they're a beginner and there isn't really anything that's like, oh, only an advanced jiu-jitsu person could do this move, for the most part, if you learn how to do the move, anybody can do it.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: It doesn't need to be overly complicated because, again, it comes down to efficiency.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: So if there's something that's really inefficient, we probably don't worry about going over it too much.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: So when we do, when I teach a lesson, I try to make it as easy and digestible to understand as possible, obviously, and it helps that, like I teach the kids classes.
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: So if I can teach a 7-year-old how to do this sequence or how to do this move, I could probably explain it in a way that an adult probably can understand too Right, yeah which is good and we just will try to like, connect the understanding of like, why you would do this move, why you would put your hand here.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: what are you accomplishing by using this grip of like?
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Why you would do this move, why you'd put your hand here?
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: What?
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: are you accomplishing by using this grip as opposed to another grip?
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: So really nitty-gritty details.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the fundamentals.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I get real detailed in my instruction.
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: Like the majority of the class is like the lesson and practicing the lesson before we get into any kind of like sp lesson and practicing the lesson before we get into um, any kind of like sparring and stuff like that, and we don't.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: We don't spend like 15 minutes doing burpees or running in circles at the beginning beginning of class either.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Like classes start on time, um, which isn't very common in jiu-jitsu schools, but classes start start on uh and we go right into the lesson.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: So you get um a lot of dedicated time into the material.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, gotcha.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: And then, mental state-wise, what?
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: What do you recommend?
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: Or like, cause obviously people go in there nervous, right, it's like I don't want to get hurt, like oh, I gotta do good.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, um, sometimes people will come in and, uh, they'll think that they have to do that.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: They have to put like a lot of effort, like physical effort, into what they're doing.
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: And the one of the beautiful parts about jiu-jitsu is a lot of times it doesn't really require like the physical effort to do something.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: It's just a matter of like leverage and position.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: So if somebody comes in and they're like a little bit tense and how they move, it's just getting them to like kind of relax and just learn the learn the, the movements of it before trying to put like any sort of like uh, tension, strength behind it.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like I've had to explain to a couple people.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: It's like it's more like yoga than it is crossfit.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: Right, interesting, it's like if you have like the mentality of like crossfit or powerlifting or anything like that, it's like everything's got to be tense and like you got to like maximum effort into every little thing.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: It's like definitely don't do that's interesting.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: yeah, it's more like yoga, that's.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: That's a great analogy.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Yes, I remember you saying before, like with your competitions too, like, um, emotional management and being relaxed, um, and that's one of the biggest keys then for some of like practicing and just rolling and and just being in your sessions, yeah, um your classes, cause it's, it's, it really is.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: We're just, we're just training and learning Like there's no, there's no competition in the in the school.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Uh, even when we're sparring, at the end, like sometimes, it's not even going to be just like open sparring, it's going to be like all right.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: I want you guys to work through this specific position, or I want you guys to work on this specific goal, so you have like a mindset of actually achieving a goal, or like winning like a certain game within a game.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: That's not just like all right, now spar, and so on the weekends we do competition training, which is a lot of fun because it's it's rapid fire.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: So, instead of having just like a lesson plan and learning a move, it's like we're right into, we're going to start with this game on the feet to get better at this specific goal and outcome, as far as, like wrestling goes, defensively or offensively, and then we're on the ground.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: It's like we're working this position where we're prioritizing, passing the guard.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: We're prioritizing, not letting our guard get passed using these techniques and it's we put like time constraints on it, so it adds a little bit of urgency behind things, and we do that for, you know, a couple hours on Saturdays and Sundays, and that's my favorite thing We'll incorporate that.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Motivation is like self-defense Be confident.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: A situation I don't want to have happen arises.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: Do I know what the hell I'm doing Like?
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Can I do this, you know?
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Or can I protect myself and my family and my friends?
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Whatever?
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Is that a common thing?
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: You hear from people like self-defense.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: And if that's the case, would you say jujitsu is like going to the best thing, uh, if you get yourself in a situation, yeah, it's about to manage yourself.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Um, for self-defense, I don't like this like speak in absolute, so I don't want to say like, oh, jujitsu is the best, because then we'd be, we'd be negating a lot of other things that that could happen in self-defense.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: But jujitsu is, uh, a really important aspect of self-defense because it's not always just going to be a fist fight.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: If it is, you probably have the space to run away.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: At some point in a lot of self-defense altercations, someone's probably trying to grab you, pull you, hold you down, um, or or just otherwise get a hold of you.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Or they're trying to get behind you and and and grab your neck or whatever it is, uh, or you get knocked down.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Now you have somebody on top of you, which would be a terrible place for someone to still try to hit you right.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: So, um, being comfortable and familiar with like just some of the, the principles of, of how to move on the ground, how to get up, how to get somebody off of you, how to defend yourself, uh, on the ground, is like critical for self-defense, and so jiu-jitsu becomes really good that way.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: And then, and then like, if you're, if you're competent, you could also be offensive from the ground.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: So someone gets on top of you, but now, all of a sudden, you have attacks off of your back, or now you know how to reverse it, where now you're on top of them and now you know how to subdue them, hold them down, whatever it is you got to do until the cops show up, or because of your jiu-jitsu skills, yeah, yeah, and it's uh, you'd be surprised, um, like, uh, if you're a brand new to jiu-jitsu, right, and you have somebody that is very good at jiu-jitsu and you said, okay, I'm gonna put the, the skilled person on top of you and they're gonna hold you down and you're gonna try to get out.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Obviously, the skilled person on top of you and they're going to hold you down and you're going to try to get out.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Obviously, the person on top knows how to keep you there.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: It's a panic attack for the person on bottom, and if you've never, like, felt that or whatever, then you wouldn't want to feel that for the first time in a self-defense situation.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: And so, obviously, like you know, that isn't something that we would, we would do to somebody, but it, it you.
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: You know that isn't something that we would do to somebody, but you'd be surprised how many times, like even just in training, someone is like in a position where they're on their back and the person's on top of them and they're not sparring or anything, but they have like this moment of realization of like, oh, like I don't know what I would do, like this is kind of uncomfortable.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Like I don't know what I would do, like this, this is kind of uncomfortable.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just just being in that position, even without anybody doing anything, like attacking wise, it's like, oh, like I didn't realize I was claustrophobic before I tried this, and so it becomes like a thing to, to overcome, sometimes in some ways interesting and um, again, like you wouldn't want to figure out that you're a claustrophobic person in a self-defense situation.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like nobody else around.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: It's a weird situation.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Why can't I breathe?
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: So with that being said, I would imagine a lot of women would be concerned or intimidated to do stuff like to join a juicer gym or involve MMA stuff.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, do you guys have like women's defense type of classes or women-focused groups?
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: So we have a good amount of women that train with us and so they'll train together within the classes.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Everybody again is kind of mixed together but the girls are kind of trained within their group and so it ends up being really good for the women because they have their own little club that they organize, like, oh, we're all going to come on Monday and they train together or whatever on Monday and they train together or whatever, and eventually, you know, I think we'll probably have like a women's only class, like dedicated class, on the schedule and like I know we're probably going to do like a women's only open mat or like a women's self-defense thing in the future.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: We've done like a women's self-defense event in the past.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: I had a friend of mine come out from California and had her just do like an event for fun and we've had uh, a number of uh seminars from women that were like we just had Misha Tate.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: She was a UFC bantamweight champion.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: She was just at our school.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Uh, not that long ago we had be a mosquito who's like like a 25 time jiu-jitsu world champion do a seminar.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: We had.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: We've had danielle kelly twice.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: She's a one fc grappling champion.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: So like we've had a lot of and we make a point to bring in a lot of, like the female athletes to come in and and represent the female community at our school.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's, uh, it's been, it's been pretty awesome.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: That's cool, that's really awesome.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I imagine that the self-defense component for a lot I mean for most people would be a huge like motivator.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: you know, like what do I do in this?
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: situation Right.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm on the ground.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Hey, this can actually be an advantage for you.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: If you have these jujitsu skills, the ground is your strength zone have these jujitsu skills.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: The ground is your strength zone.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's good when you know, like I said, like it's a, it's a, it's a point to bring in, uh, people like Danielle Kelly or or Tubby Amanda Aliquin or Misha Tate, so that, um, women get exposed to other women that that have these capabilities, right Cause now they can draw that connection and because if you just see a bunch of, you know, guys with cauliflower ear or something, well, you can't relate to that.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: No, there's some really awesome women that do this sport.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: Do?
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: A lot of people wear the ear muff, the ear protectors.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: No no, um, so you don't really get cauliflower ear, unless someone's hitting you.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, so it's from striking, not rubbing like from, from striking on the ground.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: In mma, you'll get it.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Uh, you'll get it in, maybe a little bit in brazilian jiu-Jitsu because of the gi, like the extra friction in the fabric.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: If you're shooting a double leg on somebody and your head's kind of stuck in a weird spot, you'll get that.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: You'll get it.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Obviously, like wrestlers get it all the time and they're not wearing gi's but surprisingly like I never get it in, no gi.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: I have like one bit of cauliflower that I got because someone like kneed my ear on the ground, so it wasn't really from jiu-jitsu, but every once in a while accidents happen, so people might wear the ear protectors from time to time, but for the most part it's not really necessary.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: What exactly is cauliflower ear?
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: It's cartilage breaking up inside the ear and then it fills with blood and then what happens is, if the blood doesn't drain, it'll like harden and calcify within the ear and then it stays looking swollen.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah and it's.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: You know, there's nothing you can do about it.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: At that point Interesting.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just a battle scarve, yeah.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Of pride, yeah, that's interesting thing you can do about it at that point.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Interesting, yeah, just a, just a battle scarve, yeah, pride, yeah, that's interesting.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: So I mean, you, you own your own gym, you do a lot of classes, you teach, you're competing yourself.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you manage time wise, your own fitness, your own training that you want to enjoy?
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Right, your nutrition aspect, right, the whole health and wellness um aspect for you?
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Uh, I would.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: I would probably say it's actually not that good.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: I'd probably say it's not that good.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: I don't sleep uh much at all.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: So I, I can tell I this would be more of like a do as I say, not as I do, type of thing.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Um, cause uh?
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: say not as I do, type of thing.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Um cause, uh I?
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: don't eat very often.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Um, so you're non-purposefully intermittent fasting?
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do like intermittent.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Or is it purposeful?
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's purposeful.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so you're purposely intermittent fasting?
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's, it's purposeful.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, I get up at at four, 30 in the morning.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Um, if I'm gonna eat in the morning, it wouldn't be till like after nine, just because I'm in classes all day.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: But even then, if I get like a small gap between like nine and 11, I'm usually not eating, I'm usually not even hungry.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: So I won't eat until between like two and four For the first time of the day.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, my gosh, yeah.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: And then, depending on depending, I'd be dying.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: I know I'm like I'm a hungry dude, I, I, I, I.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Someone needs to study me if I'm a science project.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Um, so I will, so I'm gonna be.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: I might give you a panic attack if I tell you exactly how this works, but I usually eat between two and four and I usually have four eggs, just the egg yolk with buttered toast.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's it.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: And then at night, when I get home, I'm usually not hungry, so I usually won't eat at night.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: If I trained really hard, I might have more eggs.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: If I have like chicken or steak or something hard, um, I might might have more eggs if, if I have like chicken or steak or something like that, I might have that.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Um, my big thing at at night if I'm craving dessert is just frozen fruit.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Get frozen fruit.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: It's already clean, cut frozen mangoes and frozen raspberries fantastic.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Frozen blueberries fantastic yeah, so it's like, it's like way better than ice cream.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: Um, like, way better you just just eat out of the bag or you put in a blender, or like what do you?
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: do no, just grab a spoon to the bag just go down.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, got it perfect, so I don't eat and and I don't sleep.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, I don't sleep.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Okay, I don't sleep, I don't sleep at all.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: I even recently did like a I don't know if it was an experiment or not, but it's something that had been on my mind just because of the way things are, where it's like I would have like a 48-hour day instead of a 24-hour day.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: So I did a week where I only slept Monday, wednesday, friday and then again Saturday night, and other than that, I was awake straight through.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: What do you do, be productive or like actually rest?
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Uh, I've had this conversation with with somebody before where it's like, um, sleeping and rest are not the same thing, as they are often associated with the same things like, oh, you have free time, you should go to sleep so you get some rest.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: It's like, yes, so sleep is is super important, even though I just said I don't sleep.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Sleeping is incredibly important and and I love it, it's the favorite thing I do, if and when I get to do it, but, um, it's not the same as actual rest.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: You need down time to down regulate, like decompression time, decompression time and that's different from sleep, and you can't sacrifice one for the other always, and so a lot of times I may not be sleeping but I'm resting and trying not to necessarily always, always be productive, but there's, there's a lot of necessary rest and it's.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: And then the other aspect of that that's maybe in like a third category, is like only when you're done resting and finished with the down regulating, if you don't have to go right to sleep or you don't have to start working again.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: There's like this other category where you actually get to be like creative or artistic, and that's like another thing and like that can't take place unless you've rested.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Interesting, it's a really strange thing you have to try and figure out.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: There's plenty of people that can like force themselves, like through the same mechanisms of being productive, I'm going to make myself be creative.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: That's not the same as actually being at peace enough to like observe the world around you and have thought and have creative ideas.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Um, and that can only happen once you're arrested.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Interesting, yeah.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: What do they, what do they call that state and people you've researched that with I don't know.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, I mean they might just call it like the creative state or like the well-rested state.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, but um, so somebody is in needing a creative space headspace.
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Step one would be like we need to downregulate your sympathetic get uh, decompress and then, once you've deregulated and decompressed well enough, that might be the best opportunity moment to get in a creative space, right?
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: and I think, uh like the, the hardest part of that is the amount of time it would take to get into that state, because you have to be productive x amount like, depending on what your job or whatever is like.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Well, the majority of time you're being productive, you're you know, dealing with kids, or you're dealing with work, you're dealing with whatever it is and then you have your down regulation time, which could be, you know, dealing with kids, or you're dealing with work, you're dealing with whatever it is and then you have your down regulation time, which could be, you know, two hours watching a movie or TV or listening to something, whatever it is, and usually by the time you do both of those things, it's just time to sleep.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: But if you had extra time and people discover the state when they take vacation assuming they're not, like you know, running through airports and you know stuff like that like a super high anxiety, but like anytime somebody's had like a three-day weekend or a four-day weekend or or holiday, if again, if they haven't filled their time with other stuff, all of a sudden you're like, oh man, I haven't picked up this guitar in six months, but I feel like doing it now.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, oh, you know what I feel like reading for leisure Maybe it's just called leisure time, maybe that's what it is, but like you won't find that time until you're down regulated, and maybe that's why people will find ways to force themselves through down regulation through other means and stuff like that, so they can be creative there's a link through that, but that's interesting.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, um, that time is like the time that I think is lost on most, most people in america's insane hustle culture yeah, totally yeah, would you say.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Is jujitsu for you the down regulation time, like a decompression time?
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: um, if you're not like instructing, I'm gonna say no, um, it's, it's fun, it's a little bit more of my productive time, I think, because it's it's what I do um and it's so mentally stimulating with like the chess game yeah, I mean there's there's a lot of creativity and thought that goes behind it, but I wouldn't consider that my leisure time.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Would you consider it your okay?
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: So it's not your creative time and not your down-regulating time, it's your productive time.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Do you feel like you would compete at a higher level if it became into your creative time?
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Would compete at a higher level if it became into your creative time?
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Like pre-competition, down-regulate, decompress, get into a state where it's like I feel like just playing the guitar.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: That's your competitive state.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: I don't think it can be because it's like a physical exertion.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: I don't think those two states can coexist.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: It does get to a point, like I said, if I'm, if I'm competing all the time, then now all of a sudden there isn't anxiety in my competition and stuff like that, and it does get to be fun.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Like I, I don't really get worked up and I can be artistic and creative in competition because I'm relaxed.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: But I wouldn't consider that um, like my creative time or my leisure time.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: Like I can get into a space of being creative or being relaxed where I maybe want to think about or even like research, jujitsu in terms of being creative, but like even I feel like if I'm researching or I'm watching an instructional, I'm no longer at leisure, now I'm being productive.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, makes sense.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: So it's a hard state to describe and I'm sure there's some scientists that are ripping out the little hair they have left listening to me Like who's botching everything?
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: They broke their glasses.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: This is exactly the opposite.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: I will say yeah.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: This is exactly the opposite.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: I will say yeah.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: So what do you do then for your leisure time?
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Your sorry, not your leisure time your decompression time, your rest time?
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: When it's like I don't know, I would assume like 2.30 in the morning, you're not sleeping, but you're resting, yeah.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: What do you do for the rest and the decompression?
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: I will play video games a lot.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: I like movies a lot.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: I watch a lot of movies, a couple television shows, uh here and there that I'll watch.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Um so yeah, that's so.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: Video games movies allows you to disconnect yeah, decompress deregulate yeah restful, a little bit like that's, that's I.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: It's the productive form of escapism, I guess.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, I'm using it to kind of like just chill out.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever identified it, but I think very similar to that.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely need to like unwind and decompress before I go to sleep like ours.
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: granted, we might do a lot behind the screen or behind the phone as far as content and things like that, but the majority of what we do, thankfully it takes place in the real world and not behind the screen.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, face to face.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: So it would make sense that for us, downregulation takes place in front of the screen.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: Or maybe somebody who's stuck in an office all day staring at a computer, like their down regulation, might just be sitting outside by the pool or like staring out, you know.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: I would definitely still prefer that you know go outside and like listen to the birds, you know, and just like enjoy some descending sunlight, you know, yeah there's a lot of benefit to sitting out on the balcony like watching the sunset, for for a bit of time?
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah for sure.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: So you don't how I can't imagine that Monday, Wednesday, friday, sleep.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: It was uh it was pretty rough.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: Uh well, like Monday, monday morning wasn't so bad.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: Wednesday, wednesday was tough, yeah, and then Friday was okay.
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: It was uh, it was weird, um, but again it's like.
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: It's like there's there's always so much work to do and there's always just so much stuff where it's like it really does feel like 24 hours is not enough for a full day, because, like, I think of like a normal person has like eight hours of work and eight hours of sleep and then eight hours of whatever else.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Like I don't work for eight hours, I work for like 14, so I need like 14 hours of work and then 14 hours of something else and then I don't sleep.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: So it's like it was uh, it was almost like a way to try and be more efficient with my time.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: But I don't, I don't want to do that, I wouldn't recommend it.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: But the alternative is like you know, I take like a two-hour nap, like every I don't know, every once in a while.
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's crazy.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not good.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: Super unique.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like I said, I wish somebody studied it because I don't know how anything is working at this point.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: And four eggs, butter, toast, and then a handful of frozen mangoes and raspberries.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then become the number one ranked grappler of 2023.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go, problem solved.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just eliminate your sleep and you can do it.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: And then you don't eat again until the next day at two or four o'clock, yeah, yeah, so you two or four o'clock, around two to four late at mid afternoon.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: Four, four eggs and toast.
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, two pieces of toast or one piece of toast.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: Four, four pieces of toast, yeah, four pieces of butter toast and then four, uh, fried egg yolks.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: Egg yolks don't eat egg white.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how come, I don't know.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: When I was a kid I never did.
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: No one explained to me that that was edible.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: So I just always ate the egg, just eat the toast and the egg yolk.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: And then when I became older, I ate egg whites.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: You know, because everybody was like, oh, egg whites, protein, blah, blah, blah, and I didn't mind the way that they tasted.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: I didn't mind the way that they tasted.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: But now I just have the egg yolk.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: Interesting, and what's interesting is like I've never had a problem with eggs.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: But there's some people that say, like eggs bother their stomach or something like that.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: I think it only happens if you eat the egg whites.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: I think if you just had the egg yolk.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: So I don't think you would have, like your stomach wouldn't cramp or hurt or anything if you just had egg yolk.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: Interesting, but again, like I'm not a scientist, I'm just driving scientists crazy today.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: Well, if somebody Certainly not a nutritionist If a person was super interested and like, oh man, you know, I've always wanted to get into jiu-jitsu or MMA, what advice would you recommend for them?
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: um, if you wanted to get into mma, I think you'd have to be really careful about your school selection.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: So the school selection is a top priority.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, especially culture.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: What instructors?
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: especially for mma, because, again, mma is it's fighting and it's fight culture and it's you're going to have a different group of of training partners for mma, and so you need to.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: You know, mma is popular now, so you'll get.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: You know, young kids are just like I want to fight, and then they learn real quick like you actually probably don't, or you're just not ready for it yet.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: Right, right, um, if you're looking to get into jiu-jitsu or kickboxing, um, there there's plenty of schools that try to do both, and technically we do both, but I'm very forthcoming that we're a jujitsu school, not a kickboxing school.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: So I would find a school that kind of has its one central identity, because that's the thing that they're good at and that cause, that's the thing that they're good at and that's the thing that they know that they're good at, and they're not going to try and like, uh, go into multiple lanes, um, and then you would just have to look into, uh, that school, um, as far as like, well, what, what kind of stuff are they teaching?
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: What does the culture look like?
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: What kind of language do they use on Facebook or Instagram or on their website, things like that Gotcha, and just see if it's aligned with what you're looking for.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: Reviews help a lot too, and just like the kind of content they kind of put out and like the stuff that they put into the community.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of schools that don't, that don't do anything or don't compete.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: But a school that competes is is within the niche community and then you think about like your own local community, like we're the only school, I think, in the entire state of florida that's part of heroes jujitsu, which is like a veterans program for interesting free classes for veterans and first responders, and we do that.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: Any of the classes on Monday so it's not even just one class, it's any class on Monday is open to veterans and first responders.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: We have a strong female community, which I also think is a very important part.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: Look for diversity in the members.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Another thing you should look for in your schools and you know, do we do a lot of events and stuff like that, like again being engaged in the community we have.
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: We've had in the last three years we've had like over 50 seminars from professional grapplers, world champions, things like that.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: Like we're a destination spot and there's a lot of schools that don't bring in other instructors.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't and maybe they just maybe it's a financial thing.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: They haven't figured out a way to like make money off of it, because they want to make money off of it, but it should be more about just bringing like the community together.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: They haven't figured out a way to like make money off of it, because they want to make money off of it, but it should be more about just bringing like the community together.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: And we've been in there yeah, you guys have been there Ankle stability workshops, low back workshops.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: So that's another thing is like we've gone outside of just jiu-jitsu.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: We brought yourself in a few times to go over like injury prevention, because that's really important.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: Shoulder.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: That's what we did.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: We did an ankle one, we did a shoulder one.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: I think we did a little back one.
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like injury prevention, for shoulder stability or whatever Right.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: So like, like having the resources like that for your members is super important.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: We've we've brought in Natalie Addison for mobility seminars.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: She just opened up her own gym in West Palm Beach Movement West Palm Beach.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: She's been in the community for a long time.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: She's fantastic.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: We've partnered with her from multiple events to do mobility in conjunction with, like, the coffee shop Composition Coffee next door to us.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: We've brought in Coach Kate, who's like a kettlebell expert personal trainer.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: We've brought in Coach Kate, who's like a kettlebell expert personal trainer.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: We've brought her in to do kettlebell workshops and things like that.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: So, again, like we're really engaged with, like our local community also with people that are doing the right thing, the right ways.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: And again, like, not every school does that and if you're looking for a school, you should probably find one that does.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: Gotcha yeah.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: So if people want to reach out to you, what's the best way to reach out?
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: Instagram Instagram and email.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: Rogue Wave West Palm Beach.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: Rogue Wave.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: WPB.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: WPB DM.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, instagram for sure.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: Same Rogue Wave WPB on Facebook.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: Email is just contact at RogueW Wave WPB on on Facebook.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: Email is just contact at RogueWaveWPBcom and the website is RogueWaveWPBcom.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: Gotcha, those are all good ways.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: Instagram is probably the best, or just pop in.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can come by.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, that'd be fine.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: I'd.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: I'd like a heads up first.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: I'd like a heads up first.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: I'd like a heads up first, but everybody to come in.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, that's fine, that's awesome.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: All right, cool man.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: Well, dude, I appreciate you coming in and sharing more of your story and some of your insights and um, your sleep schedule, schedule insights.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Uh, yeah, One day we'll we'll have to talk about some fitness stuff too, for my but yeah, we'll get you, because yeah you're.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: I mean force fitness, personal training, that was another.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: I mean you um been doing that for a long time and bringing those elements in the rogue wave.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah so I'll have to have you in again.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: Talk about the fitness component that'd be fun.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: It'd be a fun conversation.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: I don't I don't get to talk about that stuff as much as uh anymore, but I, okay, good, still love to, we'll get you on, yeah round two?
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: yeah, in a couple weeks, for sure, sweet man.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: Well, dude, thank you for coming in.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: I know you're a busy guy.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: Thank you, um, and if you have any questions or anything, you can always reach out to us at team, at athlete rccom, or just call us 561-899-8725.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: We're always open to answering questions or suggestions and comments and stuff for the podcast.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Um, if you have any issues, definitely reach out and we'll catch y'all next time.