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Jocelyn Peters: True-crime Series ’48 Hours’ Explores Murder Of St. Louis Teacher · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: Imagine you're just, you know, scrolling through a web page
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  Speaker 1: trying to buy a new TV.
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  Speaker 2: Right, just doing some everyday shopping.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. You're looking at the specs, you're checking out the prices,
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  Speaker 1: and right next to the add to cart button is just, bam,
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  Speaker 1: a step-by-step blueprint. of how a middle school principal hired
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  Speaker 1: a hitman via UPS to murder his pregnant girlfriend.
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  Speaker 2: It's just, it's the ultimate jarring experience, really. Like a
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  Speaker 2: hallucinatory digital collision.
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  Speaker 1: It really is. And that bizarre collision is exactly what
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  Speaker 1: we're dissecting today. So welcome to the deep dive. We
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  Speaker 1: are super thrilled you're us here with us.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got a lot to get through today. It's
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  Speaker 2: quite the juxtaposition to wrap your head around, but it's
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  Speaker 2: incredibly revealing.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this. Because today's mission is a heavy one,
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  Speaker 1: for sure. But it's absolutely crucial to explore. We're looking
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  Speaker 1: at a single, deeply chilling local news article.
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  Speaker 2: Just one article, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Right. It's from FOX2 St. Louis, written by Joey Schneider,
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  Speaker 1: and it's dated March 14th, 2026. The text itself is
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  Speaker 1: basically reporting on a true crime case that was featured
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  Speaker 1: on the CBS series 48 Hours.
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  Speaker 2: Which is a massive show, you know, huge audience.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, totally. And the core narrative covers this horrific 2016
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  Speaker 1: murder-for-hire plot. It involves a respected St. Louis school principal,
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  Speaker 1: his pregnant girlfriend, and a hitman brought in from completely
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  Speaker 1: out of state.
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  Speaker 2: But, you know, just to be completely clear to you listening,
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  Speaker 2: we're not just going to sit here and read you
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  Speaker 2: a true crime summary.
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  Speaker 1: No, absolutely not. You could just skim a Wikipedia page
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  Speaker 1: for that.
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  Speaker 2: Right. We're treating this source material more like a master class.
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  Speaker 2: We're looking at two distinct things here. First, how premeditated
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  Speaker 2: conspiracies are actually built and, like, how they inevitably just.
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  Speaker 1: Which they always do.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. And second, how our modern digital media packages human tragedy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because reading the source material, I mean, it isn't
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  Speaker 1: just an article. It's an entire web portal, and it's
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  Speaker 1: filled with just the most surreal juxtapositions you can possibly imagine.
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  Speaker 2: It really is the absolute definition of psychological whiplash. When
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  Speaker 2: you look at the source text, the devastating details of
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  Speaker 2: a murder for hire are sitting right there on the
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  Speaker 2: exact same screen, sharing digital real estate, with completely unrelated,
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  Speaker 2: highly trivial consumer content.
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  Speaker 1: Just to paint the picture for you guys, right above
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  Speaker 1: or right next to the details of a pregnant woman jurder,
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  Speaker 1: we have a headline celebrating a Giants six-run rally in
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  Speaker 1: the eighth inning.
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  Speaker 2: Leading to a 7-6 baseball victory. Yay sports, right next
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  Speaker 2: to a homicide.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Then there's a report about 60-plus cats being rescued
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  Speaker 1: from hoarding properties in Missouri.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't even stop at other news items. The algorithmic
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  Speaker 2: layout just pulls in all these shopping and lifestyle sections
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  Speaker 2: embedded directly into the same page.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there is literally a sponsored article titled, Smart TVs
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  Speaker 1: are up to 42% off just in time for football. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: And another one pushing the fall boots trends you'll see
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  Speaker 1: everywhere in 2026, noting that a subtly Western look is
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  Speaker 1: currently in style.
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  Speaker 2: Subtly Western? I mean, you can't make this up.
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  Speaker 1: You really can't. Oh, and my absolute personal favorite, an
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  Speaker 1: advertisement for a hatching Megalodon toy.
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  Speaker 2: A toy dinosaur.
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  Speaker 1: A hatching megalodon toy right next to a murder conspiracy.
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  Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is how accurately this layout reflects our
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  Speaker 2: modern consumption of information. In the digital space, the algorithm
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  Speaker 2: just flattens everything.
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  Speaker 1: It really does. It levels the playing field, but in
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  Speaker 1: the worst way. Right.
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  Speaker 2: The tragedy of a murdered teacher has the exact same
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  Speaker 2: visual weight, the same font size, the same screen priority
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  Speaker 2: as a story about I don't know, mail still found
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  Speaker 2: in weeds after a postal worker indictment.
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  Speaker 1: Or a random alert about a measles exposure at a
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  Speaker 1: train station.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. It's all just raw content designed to keep the
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  Speaker 2: users scrolling.
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  Speaker 1: But hold on, let me push back on that just
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. Is this really a strictly digital algorithm problem?
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  Speaker 2: How do you mean?
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  Speaker 1: Well, if you look at a physical newspaper from, say,
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  Speaker 1: 50 years ago, you still have the funny pages sitting
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  Speaker 1: just a few sheets away from reports on the Vietnam War.
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  Speaker 2: That's true.
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  Speaker 1: You had classified ads for used cars on the back
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  Speaker 1: of pages detailing local homicides. Hasn't news always been this
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  Speaker 1: chaotic mix of the profound and the mundane?
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  Speaker 2: That is a completely fair point. It really is. But
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  Speaker 2: there is a crucial mechanical difference in how it's presented.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, lay it on me.
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  Speaker 2: With a physical newspaper, layout editors made active human choices
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  Speaker 2: to separate domains. The war report was on page A1.
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  Speaker 2: The comics were in the entertainment section.
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  Speaker 1: Right. The used cars were tucked away in the classifieds.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. You, as the reader, had to physically turn the
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  Speaker 2: page and change context. The architecture of the paper itself
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  Speaker 2: provided a buffer.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. I see what you're saying. The physical space basically
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  Speaker 1: dictated the mental transition.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely. But on a modern web page, especially, you know,
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  Speaker 2: on a mobile screen, that physical buffer is completely gone.
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  Speaker 2: The architecture doesn't compartmentalize anymore. It condenses.
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  Speaker 1: It just shoves it all into one infinite column. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: The human editorial choice is replaced by an automated bidding system.
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  Speaker 2: So an ad for a Megalodon toy purchases the pixels
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  Speaker 2: exactly four millimeters away from a paragraph describing a lethal gunshot.
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  Speaker 1: God, when you put it like that, it's so dystopian.
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  Speaker 2: It is. The medium actively discourages deep reflection because it
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  Speaker 2: forces our brains to rapidly switch between empathy, consumerism, and
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  Speaker 2: idle curiosity, all within a single eye movement.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, okay, it's like walking through a carnival where...
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  Speaker 1: One of the tents is an active crime scene, but
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  Speaker 1: everyone outside is still just eating cotton candy and playing
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  Speaker 1: ring toss.
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  Speaker 2: That's a perfect analogy.
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  Speaker 1: You don't know whether to scream for help or buy
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  Speaker 1: a ticket to the Ferris wheel? Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: And that flattening effect can be deeply desensitizing to us
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  Speaker 2: as a society. If we want to truly understand the
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  Speaker 2: gravity of the events detailed in this FOX2 report from 2016,
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  Speaker 2: we have to do something the webpage says. actively tries
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  Speaker 2: to prevent us from doing.
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  Speaker 1: We have to stop scrolling. Right.
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  Speaker 2: We have to push away the digital noise. We have
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  Speaker 2: to isolate the signal.
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  Speaker 1: And that signal is a woman named Jocelyn Peters. Let
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  Speaker 1: us bring the focus entirely to her for a moment.
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  Speaker 2: We should. The text tells us three vital things about
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  Speaker 2: Jocelyn Peters right up front. She was 30 years old.
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  Speaker 2: She was seven months pregnant. And she was a third
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  Speaker 2: grade teacher at Horace Mann Elementary School.
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  Speaker 1: And those aren't just biographical bullet points. They really establish
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  Speaker 1: her as a foundational pillar of her community.
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  Speaker 2: They absolutely do. A third grade teacher is someone who
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  Speaker 2: dedicates their entire daily life to nurturing young minds.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that age is so important. It is.
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  Speaker 2: At that age, eight or nine years old, kids are
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  Speaker 2: transitioning from learning to read to reading to learn. It's
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  Speaker 2: a huge, pivotal developmental stage. She was the person guiding
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  Speaker 2: them through that.
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  Speaker 1: She was spending her days preparing other people's children for
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  Speaker 1: their futures while simultaneously preparing to bring her own child
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  Speaker 1: into the world.
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  Speaker 2: It's incredibly poignant. And the text states that on March 24, 2016,
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  Speaker 2: she was found shot to death in her bed inside
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  Speaker 2: her Central West End apartment.
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  Speaker 1: That specific detail, that she was in her bed in
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  Speaker 1: her own apartment, that fundamentally shifts how you look at
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  Speaker 1: this crime.
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  Speaker 2: And makes it so much more intimate.
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  Speaker 1: Right. An apartment, your bed... That is supposed to be
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  Speaker 1: your ultimate sanctuary. If you're listening to this right now,
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  Speaker 1: think about your own bedroom. That is the one place
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  Speaker 1: on Earth where the social contract says you are supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be safe from the chaos of the outside world.
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  Speaker 2: The violation of that specific space speaks directly to the
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  Speaker 2: intimate nature of the betrayal we'll get into. But there
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  Speaker 2: is another detail the article provides that is just staggering
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  Speaker 2: in its cruelty.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this part is tough.
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  Speaker 2: It notes that Jocelyn Peters was reportedly working on baby
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  Speaker 2: shower invitations before she was killed.
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  Speaker 1: A baby shower invitation isn't just a piece of stationery.
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  Speaker 1: It is a literal blueprint for the future.
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  Speaker 2: It's a physical manifestation of hope.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Of celebrating a new life, of gathering your tribe
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  Speaker 1: around you to welcome a child into the world. It's
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be this joyous, beautiful thing.
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  Speaker 2: And it represents a future completely stolen at the exact
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  Speaker 2: moment she was actively celebrating it. She was sitting in
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  Speaker 2: her sanctuary, writing out names and addresses. entirely unaware that
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  Speaker 2: a completely different set of logistics had already been set
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  Speaker 2: in motion.
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  Speaker 1: Logistics designed to ensure that future would never happen. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: The psychological weight of that contrast is almost too much
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  Speaker 2: to carry, honestly. The pure optimistic innocence of writing those
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  Speaker 2: invitations versus the total calculated darkness encroaching on her.
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  Speaker 1: Which inevitably forces the question, right? Who brings that level
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  Speaker 1: of target destruction into a sanctuary? Who targets a pregnant
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  Speaker 1: 30-year-old elementary school teacher in her own bed?
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  Speaker 2: The text provides the answer, and it introduces a nightmare
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  Speaker 2: of betrayal. It was Cornelius Green. The article identifies him
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  Speaker 2: as Jocelyn Peters' boyfriend.
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  Speaker 1: But the text also reveals he wasn't just her boyfriend.
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  Speaker 1: He was the principal at Carlain Visual and Performing Arts
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  Speaker 1: Middle School.
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  Speaker 2: Which introduces a massive, massive layer of complexity to this
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  Speaker 2: entire narrative. This wasn't a random intruder.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: This wasn't a stranger off the street. This was an
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  Speaker 2: educational leader. Much like Jocelyn, his entire public professional identity
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  Speaker 2: was built around the betterment of children.
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  Speaker 1: Here's where it gets really interesting, though, because the text
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  Speaker 1: outlines a very different reality behind closed doors.
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  Speaker 2: A very dark reality.
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  Speaker 1: Green was legally married to someone else. He was cheating
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  Speaker 1: on his spouse with Peters, and he got her pregnant
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  Speaker 1: in 2015.
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  Speaker 2: So we are immediately confronted with the mechanics of a
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  Speaker 2: double life. And not just a simple everyday lie, but
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  Speaker 2: a highly complex, high-stakes deception.
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  Speaker 1: He's juggling multiple worlds.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. He is maintaining the public veneer of a respectable
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  Speaker 2: middle school principal, a role model, an authority figure, someone
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  Speaker 2: parents literally trust with the safety and development of their kids.
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  Speaker 1: While simultaneously managing a secret affair and an unplanned pregnancy
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  Speaker 1: that threatens to collapse his entire carefully constructed existence.
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  Speaker 2: But wait, help me understand this leap. Because cheating on
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  Speaker 2: your spouse and having a secret child is a terrible
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  Speaker 2: thing to do, obviously. Of course.
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  Speaker 1: It ruins marriages. It ruins reputations. But killing someone? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That is infinitely more risky than paying child support or
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  Speaker 1: going through a messy public divorce.
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  Speaker 2: It's a massive escalation.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Are we really just chalking this up to a
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  Speaker 1: need for control or Or is there a specific delusion
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  Speaker 1: of grandeur that happens to people in authority? Like, why
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  Speaker 1: not just face the music?
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  Speaker 2: That is the exact right question to ask, because the
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  Speaker 2: escalation just doesn't make sense to a rational, empathetic mind.
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  Speaker 2: But if we connect this to the bigger picture, to
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  Speaker 2: the broader psychological profiles of family annihilators or authority figures
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  Speaker 2: who commit extreme crimes, we see a distinct pattern.
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  Speaker 1: What kind of pattern?
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  Speaker 2: Very often, individuals who hold status or power, like a
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  Speaker 2: school principal... develop a profound sense of hubris. Think about it.
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  Speaker 2: They spend their days dictating rules, managing crises, and being
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  Speaker 2: the smartest, most powerful person in their immediate environment.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, so they are used to being the one who
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  Speaker 1: hands out the discipline, not the one who receives it.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely. They develop a cognitive distortion where they genuinely believe
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  Speaker 2: their intelligence or status allows them to control inherently uncontrollable situations.
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  Speaker 1: They think they can outsmart reality. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: The text states that, uh, Prosecutors say Green devised a
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  Speaker 2: plan to kill Peters. In his mind, the problem wasn't
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  Speaker 2: just the financial burden of child support. It was the impending,
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  Speaker 2: catastrophic destruction of his public image.
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  Speaker 1: His authority, his lifestyle, his whole ego.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. To a narcissist whose entire identity is tied to
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  Speaker 2: their public standing, the exposure of their hypocrisy feels like
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  Speaker 2: a death sentence.
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  Speaker 1: So to avoid his own metaphorical death, the death of
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  Speaker 1: his reputation, he chooses the literal death of his girlfriend
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  Speaker 1: and unborn child.
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  Speaker 2: He views them... Not as human beings, but as existential
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  Speaker 2: threats to his construct. And his quote-unquote solution was the
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  Speaker 2: ultimate irreversible act of control.
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  Speaker 1: But here's the thing about his so-called control. He didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to get his own hands dirty. He devised the plan, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but he needed a proxy to actually execute it.
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  Speaker 2: Right, he needed a hitman.
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  Speaker 1: Which means he had to bridge the massive gap between
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  Speaker 1: wanting a murder to happen and actually finding someone willing
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  Speaker 1: to pull the trigger. How does a middle school principal
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  Speaker 1: even go about doing that without immediately exposing himself to
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  Speaker 1: the police?
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  Speaker 2: That transitions us perfectly into the logistics of the conspiracy.
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  Speaker 2: Because he didn't go to the dark web. He didn't
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  Speaker 2: hire some professional syndicate.
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  Speaker 1: No John Wick assassins here.
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  Speaker 2: Not at all. The text introduces us to a man
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  Speaker 2: named Philip Cutler, who is described simply as Green's longtime
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  Speaker 2: friend from Oklahoma.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's just pause on that phrase. Longtime friend.
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  Speaker 2: That's wild, isn't it?
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  Speaker 1: It is one thing to have a passing thought of violence.
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  Speaker 1: It is an entirely different universe of depravity to sit down,
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  Speaker 1: look at a longtime friend and say, hey, I need
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  Speaker 1: you to travel across the country and murder my pregnant girlfriend.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like, what does it take to make that ask?
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  Speaker 2: It requires a shared moral vacuum. And it also requires
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  Speaker 2: an astonishing lack of criminal sophistication, which becomes glaringly obvious
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  Speaker 2: when we look at the actual methods they used.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, the methods are unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: According to the article, on or around March 7, 2016,
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  Speaker 2: Green sent a package to Cutler.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And how did he send it? Did he use
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  Speaker 1: some encrypted courier? Did he drive to Oklahoma and hand
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  Speaker 1: off cash in a dark alley at midnight? Nope. He
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  Speaker 1: sent it through UPS.
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  Speaker 2: A standard commercial shipping service. Wait, wait, wait.
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  Speaker 1: Are you telling me that a man orchestrating a murder
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  Speaker 1: for hire, a man who is a school principal, used
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  Speaker 1: one of the most highly trackable, globally heavily surveilled logistics
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  Speaker 1: networks on the planet to mail blood money?
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly what he did.
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  Speaker 1: It's almost like he forgot he was committing a federal
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  Speaker 1: crime and treated it like he was returning a pair
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  Speaker 1: of those subtly Western fall boots to an online retailer.
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  Speaker 2: It really is. And this goes back to that exact
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  Speaker 2: hubris we just discussed. He is an educator, not a
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  Speaker 2: master criminal. He acts with the staggering arrogance of someone
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  Speaker 2: who believes his plan is foolproof.
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  Speaker 1: While completely ignoring the digital and physical architecture of the
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  Speaker 1: modern world. Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Let's break down exactly what happens when you hand
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  Speaker 2: a package to a UPS clerk.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's trace the mechanism. Walk me through it.
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  Speaker 2: When you drop off a package, a dark code is generated.
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  Speaker 2: That barcode is intrinsically linked to your physical address, the
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  Speaker 2: destination address, and the exact timestamp of the drop-off.
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  Speaker 1: So already a massive paper trail. Huge.
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  Speaker 2: Then the package is weighed, which is recorded. It is
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  Speaker 2: scanned at the local facility, scanned when it's loaded onto
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  Speaker 2: a truck, scanned at the sorting hub, scanned when it
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  Speaker 2: crosses state lines, And scanned when it is finally delivered.
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  Speaker 1: And none of that data just disappears? No.
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  Speaker 2: It is logged in a corporate database, backed up on servers,
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  Speaker 2: and kept for years for quality assurance and billing purposes.
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  Speaker 1: So he didn't just send a package. He essentially mailed
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  Speaker 1: a signed confession to a server farm in Atlanta or somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty much.
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  Speaker 1: And what was inside this highly tracked package? The text
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  Speaker 1: explicitly states it was $ 2, 500, which is described as a retainer.
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  Speaker 2: The banality of that term is chilling. A retainer is
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  Speaker 2: a word we normally associate with hiring a lawyer or
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  Speaker 2: securing a corporate consultant.
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  Speaker 1: Right, normal business stuff.
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  Speaker 2: But here, it is being used as a business term
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  Speaker 2: for a down payment on a double homicide.
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  Speaker 1: And the amount.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: 2,500 bucks. We were just talking about how you can
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  Speaker 1: buy a smart TV on the same website for a
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  Speaker 1: few hundred dollars. $ 2, 500 is practically nothing.
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  Speaker 2: It is a terrifyingly low valuation of a woman's life
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  Speaker 2: and the life of your unborn child. It really is.
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  Speaker 1: It's sickening.
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  Speaker 2: It is entirely disproportionate to the crime. But from a
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  Speaker 2: purely legal perspective, the amount actually matters less than the mechanism.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: By using UPS, Greene caused money to cross state lines
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  Speaker 2: from Missouri to Oklahoma via a commercial carrier.
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  Speaker 1: Which is the textbook definition of a federal offense.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Using interstate commerce facilities like the Postal Service, a
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  Speaker 2: commercial courier, or telecommunications networks in the commission of a
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: murder-for-hire is the specific trigger that elevates this.
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  Speaker 1: Elevates it from what to what?
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  Speaker 2: It takes it from a local St. Louis homicide investigation
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  Speaker 2: to a complex federal conspiracy case. He handed the FBI
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: their jurisdiction on a silver platter with a 1Z tracking number.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: Wow. OK, so the retainer is sent on March 7.
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: The wheels are in motion. Two weeks later, on March 21st,
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: the plan moves from paper into reality. The text says
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Cutler travels from Oklahoma to St. Louis.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: And again, doing so leaves an indelible footprint. Crossing state
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: lines leaves travel records. If he drove, there are license
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: plate readers on highways, gas station receipts, toll booth cameras.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: And cell phone pings. We can't forget those.
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: We will definitely get into the mechanics of cell phone
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: tracking in a minute. But yes, his phone would be
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: constantly shaking hands with cell towers all the way up
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: Interstate 44. Right.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: And when he arrives in St. Louis, the article notes
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: he stayed at Greeno's home.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: The two longtime friends are now under the same roof.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: The principal and the hitman. Just hanging out. The level
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: of cold-blooded premeditation required to just sit on the couch,
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: maybe watch a Giants game, knowing exactly what is going
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: to happen in a few days, it is deeply unsettling.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: They are coordinating. And that coordination leads directly to the
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: events of March 22, which is the day Green attempts
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: to execute his master stroke of evasion.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Right. According to the text, on March 22, Green traveled
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: from St. Louis to Chicago, the stated purpose. So he
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: would explicitly not be in town when Peters was killed.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: It is the most cliche criminal maneuver in the book.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: He is trying to manufacture physical distance to create plausible deniability.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: The old I was out of town excuse.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Exactly. If he is hundreds of miles away in Illinois,
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: he can't possibly be the one who pulled the trigger
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: in Missouri.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: But before he leaves for Chicago, he does something that
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: completely undercuts his entire alibi. The article states he leaves
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: Cutler with two sets of keys, one set for his car.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: and one set for Jocelyn Peters' apartment.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Let's focus on the keys to the apartment because that
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: is staggering.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: It is arguably the most damning detail in this entire timeline.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: We talked earlier about how her central West End apartment
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: was her sanctuary. Giving a hitman the keys to that space,
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: it is the ultimate physical manifestation of betrayal.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Functionally, it means Cutler doesn't have to break a window.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: He doesn't have to pick a lock or kick down
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: a door.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: He doesn't have to wait outside in the bushes and
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: risk being seen by neighbors.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Exactly. He is granted seamless, quiet, authorized access into the
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: most private, vulnerable space of Jocelyn's life.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: Courtesy of the man she loved, the man whose child
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: she was carrying. It's just horrific.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: It completely weaponizes her own trust against her. She locked
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: her door to keep the danger out, not knowing her
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: boyfriend had already handed the danger a copy of the key.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: And that sets the stage for March 24.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: The day of the murder.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Yes. The text states that investigators say Cutler used those keys,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: entered Peter's apartment, found her in bed and shot her.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Right where she had been working on those baby shower invitations.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: The clash of those two realities, the preparation for life
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: and the sudden violent end of it is devastating.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: The execution of the plan in that terrible moment was
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: brutally efficient.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: And according to prosecutors, after Cutler confirmed to Green that
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Peters had been killed, Green returned home from his trip
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: to Chicago.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: He comes back to St. Louis, and then he initiates
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: the cover-up phase of the plan. The article notes that
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Green later called the police to report Peters' death, pretending
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: he had absolutely no knowledge of the circumstances.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: It's a performance. He is relying on his status. He
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: is the grieving boyfriend. He's the respectable middle school principal.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: He's acting his heart out. Right.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: He assumes that his authority and his alibi will deflect
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: any immediate suspicion from local law enforcement.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: So what does this all mean? We have this supposed
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: perfect plan on taper. The burner trip to Chicago, the
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: UPS retainer, the seamless entry with the keys, the tearful
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: performance for the 911 dispatcher. It all seems very calculated.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: But then the reality of the execution just completely devolves
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: into sheer chaos.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: This raises an important question. And this is where we
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: see the massive difference between a conspiracy on paper and
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: a conspiracy in practice. Because while Green is trying to
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: play his part, his hitman is rapidly unraveling.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Unraveling doesn't even begin to cover it. The text gives
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: us this incredibly bizarre, almost cinematic detail.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: It's so weird.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: It says investigators detained Cutler the exact same night of
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Peter's murder. And while he was detained, Cutler actually ate
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: two pieces of paper from a notebook that was in
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: his pockets.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Allegedly in an attempt to conceal evidence.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Let's just sit with that visual for a second. Picture
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: the scene. He's been detained. He's likely sitting in the
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: back of a squad car or maybe an interrogation room
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: at the precinct.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Sweating, panicking.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: He realizes he has physical evidence on his person. And
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: his solution isn't to ask for a lawyer. His solution
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: is to frantically tear pages out of a notebook, shove
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: them into his mouth, chew them up, and swallow them.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: It perfectly highlights the messy, chaotic reality of actual crime.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: The contrast is fascinating to analyze.
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: It really is a stark contrast.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: On one hand, you have the cold, detached, sterile calculation
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: of a UPS shipment and a meticulously planned trip to Chicago.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: On the other hand, you have a grown man desperately
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: eating paper out of his own pockets because the primal
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: panic has set in and the walls are closing in
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: on him.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: It shows that despite all of Green's arrogant planning and
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: his hubris, they were completely out of their depth the
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: exact moment the trigger was pulled. the illusion of control
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: vanished instantly in the face of actual police scrutiny.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: The paper-eating incident is an act of sheer desperation. But
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: it also raises a profound investigative question. If he destroyed
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: the physical evidence right there on night one, why did
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: the justice system take so long to resolve this?
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: That is a crucial pivot point for this deep dive.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Because justice was absolutely not swift here. We are talking
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: about a murder that occurred on March 24, 2016. But
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: according to the FOX2 article, The resolution of this case,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: the actual sentencing, didn't happen until 2024.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: What is an eight-year gap between the crime and the
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: final delivery of justice?
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Eight years. Think about the scale of that time for
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: a second. The third graders that Jocelyn Peters was teaching
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: at Horace Mann Elementary in 2016.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, how old would they be?
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: By the time these men were sentenced in 2024, those
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: kids would be juniors or seniors in high school. Entire
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: childhoods have happened. Lives have moved on. While this case
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: was quietly winding its way through the system, why does
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: it take eight years to convict a guy who was
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: caught eating his own notes on the night of the murder?
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: It basically comes down to the immense legal and logistical
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: complexity of building a federal conspiracy case.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Okay, walk us through that.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Remember, the federal prosecutors aren't just trying to prove who
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: pulled the trigger in that bedroom. A local prosecutor could
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: try that. The feds are trying to prove a premeditated
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: murder-for-hire transaction that occurred across state lines. They have to
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: prove the conspiracy itself.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Which means they have to gather, verify, and contextualize an
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: absolute avalanche of data.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Precisely. Let's use an analogy. Building a federal digital conspiracy
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: case is like trying to reconstruct a shattered glass vase,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: but you don't actually have any of the glass shards.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: You only have the shadows, those shards cast on the wall.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. I love that analogy. Unpack the shadows for
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: me in this case.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: The physical glass is the conversations they had. It's the
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: intent in their heads. It's the physical paper Cutler ate.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: That's all gone. But the shadows are the digital architecture
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: they interacted with. The receipts.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: Prosecutors have to subpoena the UPS tracking records we talked
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: about earlier. They have to trace the financial origins of
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: that $ 2, 500. Did it come from a bank withdrawal, a
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: credit card, a loan?
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: And they have to prove Cutler's movements.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Yes. They have to pull travel records, hotel receipts, and
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: most importantly, cell phone tower pings. They have to get
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: warrants for telecom data from Oklahoma, Missouri, and Illinois.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: How does that actually work in a courtroom? Like, how
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: precise is a cell phone ping? Because I think people
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: hear cell tower data and they think of, you know,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: GPS dots on a map in a spy movie. But
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: it's not actually that clean, is it?
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: It's not as clean as GPS, but it is devastatingly
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: effective when layered. A cell phone ping simply means your
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: phone connected to a specific tower to maintain service. It
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: gives a general radius.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, a radius.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: But when you are traveling down a highway from Oklahoma
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: to St. Louis, your phone is constantly handing off its
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: signal from one tower to the next to the next.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: So it creates a breadcrumb trail.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Exactly. The prosecutors use those breadcrumbs to map out the
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: exact movements of both men over the course of weeks.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: They can show that Cutler's phone left Oklahoma on March 24.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: They can show it pinged off the tower near Green's house.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: They can show Green's phone traveling to Chicago.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: And they have to take all of these shadows, the
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: UPS receipt, the cell pings, the banking records, and present
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: them to a grand jury.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Deal with defense motions, handle discovery.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Right, and build an airtight, irrefutable timeline that proves beyond
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: a reasonable doubt the exact nature of the agreement between
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Green and Cutler.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: And doing that across multiple jurisdictions, coordinating between the FBI,
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: local St. Louis police, and federal prosecutors.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: It takes years.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: It really is a grind.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: But they clearly succeeded because the text states that in 2024,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: both Cornelius Green and Philip Cutler didn't even go to trial.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: They pleaded guilty to federal charges of murder for hire
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: and conspiracy to commit murder for hire.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: When a defendant pleads guilty after eight years of fighting,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: it usually means the digital evidence against them was so
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: overwhelmingly comprehensive that going to trial would just be a
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: prolonged public humiliation.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: It's game over. And the sentence they received reflects the
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: absolute severity of the crime. The article notes they were
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: each sentenced to two consecutive life terms in prison.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: Two consecutive life terms. Let's just break down the legal
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: weight of that phrase.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: It is a profound legal acknowledgment of the specific reality
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: of this crime. It acknowledges the two lives that were taken.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: One life term is for Jocelyn Peters. The second life
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: term is for her unborn child.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: And serving them consecutively, meaning back to back rather than
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: concurrently at the same time, means that one life sentence
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: literally has to end before the other begins.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Right, which is biologically impossible.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Since a human being only has one life, it
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: is the justice system's way of mathematically and absolutely guaranteeing
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: that neither of these men will ever breathe free air again.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: It is the ultimate removal of the control Green was
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: so desperate to maintain. He wanted to control his image,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: and now the state controls every second of his existence.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: And this brings us back to why this case is
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: currently resurfacing in the digital ether. It's the focus of
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: a 48-hours episode airing Saturday at 9 p.m. CT on CBS.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Which circles us perfectly back to our opening discussion about
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: how we consume media.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Back to the webpage.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: True crime, as a genre, is fundamentally packaged as entertainment.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: It's given a primetime slot, a dramatic voiceover, tense music,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: and it's slotted neatly in between commercials for pharmaceuticals and
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: car insurance.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: And on the FOX2 website, it's slotted next to articles
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: about fall boots and Megalodon toys. It's so easy for
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: the listener or the viewer to consume this story in
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: a tight 45-minute window and then just move on with
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: their evening.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: But for the families involved, for Jocelyn's parents, for the
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: investigators who spent eight grinding years tracing UPS receipts and
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: mapping cell tower pings, it is an agonizingly slow, painstaking,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: decade-long endeavor to find some semblance of justice.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: It is an incredibly stark reminder. The news cycle moves
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: at the hyperactive speed of a digital scroll. But real
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: world consequences, the actual grinding machinery of accountability, moves at
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: the methodical, relentless pace of the federal court system.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: So let's synthesize all of this. What do we actually
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: learn from unpacking this single web page?
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Well, we started with a chaotic digital landscape, a surreal
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: mix of everyday consumerism and unspeakable tragedy. We had to
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: actively push past the noise of baseball scores and smart
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: TV sales to find the signal.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: And that signal was the tragic loss of Jocelyn Peters,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: a 30-year-old teacher, killed in the supposed safety of her
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: sanctuary while actively planning for her baby's arrival.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: We examined the profound betrayal by Cornelius Green, a man
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: who used his societal authority and intellect not to educate,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: but to orchestrate the murder of his own girlfriend and
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: child simply to protect his facade.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: We tracked the bumbling yet lethal logistics of Philip Cutler,
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: crossing state lines for a mere $ 2, 500, armed with the
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: keys to the victim's apartment, leaving a glaring digital trail
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: via UPS and cell towers.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: And we saw how the immediate panics unraveling of their
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: execution ultimately led to an eight-year pursuit by federal investigators,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: ending in the only mathematical certainty the law can provide,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: two consecutive life sentences for both men.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: It is a really comprehensive arc. We've traced the timeline...
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: From the arrogance of premeditation, through the messy chaos of
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: the execution, and finally to the slow, heavy hammer of accountability.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: But before we let you go, there is one final
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: lingering mystery drawn directly from this text that we just
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: cannot stop thinking about.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, this part.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: It's a detail that we spent time on earlier, but
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: that the article leaves completely hauntingly unresolved.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: The notebook paper.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: Yes. The text explicitly notes that on the night of
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: the murder, while being detained by investigators, Philip Cutler ate
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: exactly two pieces of paper from a notebook in his pocket.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Just two pages.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: He was so incredibly desperate to destroy whatever information was
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: on those specific pages that he swallowed them whole in
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: the back of a police car.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: Knowing the final outcome, knowing that despite his frantic, animalistic
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: attempt to destroy evidence, both men were eventually sentenced to
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: consecutive life terms eight years later. You have to watch it.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: You really do. What was on them?
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: What exactly was written on those two pages? What was
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: so damning that he chose to ingest it? Was it
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: a hand-drawn map of Jocelyn's apartment? Was it a minute-by-minute
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: timeline of the hit? Was it Green's new burner phone
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: number in Chicago?
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: We will never know. But perhaps the more impressive takeaway
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: is the triumph of digital forensics here.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: It leaves you in awe of how federal investigators managed
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: to build such an airtight, life-ending conspiracy case without whatever
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: secrets his stomach ultimately destroyed.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: They didn't need the physical glass shard.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Exactly. They pieced together the invisible shadows so thoroughly, tracking
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: the digital footprints of their hubris, that the physical evidence
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Cutler ate didn't even matter in the end.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: It is a powerful thought to leave you with. Sometimes
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: the physical evidence people try the hardest to destroy is
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: entirely irrelevant, because the invisible systems they ignored were quietly
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: recording their guilt the entire time. Thank you so much
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: for joining us on this deep dive. We hope this
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: gave you a new lens through which to view the news.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: And we encourage you, as always, to keep looking past
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: the headlines, to push away the noise, and to keep
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: seeking the human story behind the screen. Until next time,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: keep questioning everything.