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Patriots Catch-22 4/9: Draft Buzz, Positional Draft Favorites on Offense · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure it was favorite sound bite. Nothing, nothing,
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  Speaker 1: but the coach that coaches, you're the team you cover said, certainly.
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  Speaker 1: I talked about building a tough, physical football team, didn't
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  Speaker 1: he Not only that, nobody talked I'd rather hear about
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  Speaker 1: that than ep a Ian. Rather hear about how you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna win football games. And as long as the math lines.
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  Speaker 3: Up, how you're gonna win football games is by building
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  Speaker 3: a good passing game. That's how that's the point that
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  Speaker 3: he was making.
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  Speaker 1: By building good football team. Good passing game equals wins,
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  Speaker 1: and good football team equals wins.
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  Speaker 3: I don't understand that they're they're the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: There's I believe it or not, there's more to football
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  Speaker 1: than just throwing the ball. Yes, there is, for balance purposes. Sure, sure,
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  Speaker 1: there's more to football than throwing the ball. All right,
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  Speaker 1: I promise you watch a football game sometime. You'll be surprised.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wow, Okay, that's where you're going. Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, Evan,
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  Speaker 3: watch a football game that never happens. All right, Hello, everybody,
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  Speaker 3: Evan Lazar, Alex Bars Patriots Catch twenty two. Two weeks
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  Speaker 3: Alex two weeks to go until the NFL Draft. Two
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  Speaker 3: weeks in a day. But I'm gonna call it two weeks.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna round down and call it two weeks. Look,
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  Speaker 3: the hay is not quite in the barn for me personally,
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  Speaker 3: but it's getting there. We're we're we're getting to hayes
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  Speaker 3: in the barn status, Like we got a few more
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  Speaker 3: was it biales?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Bales of hay to go? Yeah, but we're very very close.
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  Speaker 1: And now is how many players? Would you say you're
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  Speaker 1: up to?
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  Speaker 3: Probably about one thirty?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I'm probably not range.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to get to one fifty this year.
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  Speaker 3: Usually I get to around between one twenty five and
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  Speaker 3: one fifty. But this year, I'm trying to get to
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  Speaker 3: that one fifty more because they have those two fifths
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  Speaker 3: and you just, you know, you kind of want to
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  Speaker 3: know a little bit more about early day three in
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  Speaker 3: a year like this. But we're getting to the point
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  Speaker 3: now where the intel's changing daily. It almost feels like, right,
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  Speaker 3: you know, last week it was a lock that, uh,
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  Speaker 3: the Cleveland Browns are gonna take Abdual Carter at number two.
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  Speaker 3: Now it's a lock that Travis Hunters is going to
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  Speaker 3: go to to the Browns. It feels like we're in
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  Speaker 3: that part of the off season, which I think is
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  Speaker 3: interesting because now is the time where the scouting staffs,
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  Speaker 3: the coaching staffs, the heads of department, if you will.
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  Speaker 3: Now they have their final draft meetings, and really, up
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  Speaker 3: until this point, the board hasn't been set yet truly,
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  Speaker 3: and I know people find that hard to believe, but
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  Speaker 3: the board outside of maybe Tennessee, who might know exactly
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  Speaker 3: who they're taking because they're taking somebody first. Overall, it
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  Speaker 3: takes a minute to set the board in terms of
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  Speaker 3: all these visits and workouts and all that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 3: So we're in the next week or so, I would
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  Speaker 3: say in set the board territory now for NFL teams,
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  Speaker 3: and when that happens, you often start to hear some
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  Speaker 3: trickling out of more information that might be more accurate.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was two drafts ago, maybe it was
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  Speaker 3: last year's draft that Bill Belichick's is.
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  Speaker 1: Last year on McAfee. I was going to bring this
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  Speaker 1: up last year on McAfee, Bill Belichick said, the accurate
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  Speaker 1: information from teams doesn't really start leaking out until about
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  Speaker 1: twelve hours before the draft. Yeah, and I remember looking
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  Speaker 1: at it last year. Remember it was JJ McCarthy to
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  Speaker 1: Patriots JJJJJJ. By the way, JJ McCarthy's agent I hopefully
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  Speaker 1: got a raise after last year. But it was about
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  Speaker 1: ten hours out last year that we started getting those
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  Speaker 1: reports that, Hey, it's Drake may yeh, it's gonna be
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  Speaker 1: Drake may So. Because, like you said, the scouts have
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  Speaker 1: been doing their thing, the coaches have been doing their thing.
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  Speaker 1: This is where they all come together. These next two
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  Speaker 1: weeks two and a half weeks. We call this time
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  Speaker 1: of your silly season. This is the silliest time of
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  Speaker 1: silly season because and I love and hate this part
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  Speaker 1: of the draft process. This is the most like exhausting
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  Speaker 1: part in a good way, in a bad way. As
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  Speaker 1: we go on early, right, you have the Senior Bowl,
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  Speaker 1: the Shrine Bowl, you have the Combine, you have Pro Days,
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  Speaker 1: you have free agency, Like we're getting all this new
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  Speaker 1: information and there's changing takes and it's all evolving because
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  Speaker 1: there's new things you have to consider that you have
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  Speaker 1: to involve. At this point, I don't know when the
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  Speaker 1: deadline is for thirties. I think it's the end of
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  Speaker 1: this week, so there's still mighty it's next week, it's
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  Speaker 1: next week. Yeah, but most teams have them done, Like
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  Speaker 1: there's still gonna be some thirties trickling in. But outside
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  Speaker 1: of that, for the teams, the hey is in the
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  Speaker 1: barn like they're done. So we're not really gonna get
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  Speaker 1: any unless it gets confirmed who the Browns are gonna take,
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  Speaker 1: which won't happen until twelve hours for the draft. We're
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  Speaker 1: not gonna get externally any new information here in these
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  Speaker 1: next two weeks. So now it's just the same thoughts
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  Speaker 1: churning through your head over and over. But it's two weeks.
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  Speaker 1: We need stuff to talk about, and now's when the
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  Speaker 1: real ridiculous stuff starts to come out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. And this is a part of
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  Speaker 3: the draft where I hate this part. Honestly, this is
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  Speaker 3: my least favorite part because you just start to hear
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  Speaker 3: a lot of silliness. You also start to have people
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  Speaker 3: that and I'm guilty of this too, that are just
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  Speaker 3: so dug in on their take and there's so take
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  Speaker 3: ordered well to put certain players. Right now, you're just
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  Speaker 3: at the point where it's almost argumentative because it's you
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  Speaker 3: just have your guys, I have my guys, and we're
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  Speaker 3: just not gonna be well, they're not gonna find a
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  Speaker 3: common ground.
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  Speaker 1: It's the same arguments over and over because again there
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  Speaker 1: is no new information. But so you get some people
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  Speaker 1: who are so dug in. You also get some people who, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, want something new to talk about. So now
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  Speaker 1: we're just pulling these random what if ashion. Genty goes
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  Speaker 1: to Evan with the brown stick ash and genty.
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  Speaker 3: Second, I haven't even heard that.
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  Speaker 1: I just hear I haven't either, But I bet you
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  Speaker 1: in the next two weeks we're gonna hear somebody bring
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  Speaker 1: up what if, Like what if the not necessarily as
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  Speaker 1: a report, but again because we have this time to
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  Speaker 1: fill and there's nothing new, so we're gonna create something new.
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  Speaker 1: What if fashion genty goes second?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard, you know for the Patriots. You know,
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  Speaker 3: we've seen some mock drafts recently, Jalen Walker as I
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  Speaker 3: picked up a little bit of steam. You know, obviously
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  Speaker 3: all the trade down scenarios and stuff like that have
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  Speaker 3: been popular. So you hear a lot of that kind
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  Speaker 3: of stuff. And we're gonna get into some of the
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  Speaker 3: new use for the Patriots with the draft or the
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  Speaker 3: Patriots adjacent news at least as well here in a second.
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  Speaker 3: And then we're also gonna do My Guys starting today.
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  Speaker 3: So My Guys is a fun segment we like to
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  Speaker 3: do if you're not familiar. Basically, these are just the
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  Speaker 3: guys at Alex and I independently will stand on the
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  Speaker 3: table for right. We're pounding the table for these guys.
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  Speaker 3: We're planting our flags like these are our guys. We're
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  Speaker 3: gonna do offense today, so we'll go every position, quarterback, receiver,
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  Speaker 3: We'll get into all the my guys for the offense.
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  Speaker 3: Next week we'll do defense, and the following week we'll
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  Speaker 3: just kind of do a general preview slash, you know,
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  Speaker 3: rap show on the pre draft process.
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  Speaker 1: If you will.
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  Speaker 3: wanted to start with today is that there's some rumblings
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  Speaker 3: and again, this is silly season. This is we start
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  Speaker 3: to get, uh, you know, a little bit tired whatever
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  Speaker 3: of all the draft talk. But I think Abdul Carter
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  Speaker 3: is starting to become a little bit of a hot
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  Speaker 3: button topic of you know, could Abdul Carter be the
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  Speaker 3: one that falls to four. I think we've talked a
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  Speaker 3: lot about Travis Hunter falling to four, but after his
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  Speaker 3: pro day and and after some of the news that
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  Speaker 3: trickled out from Cleveland's side following Travis Hunter's pro day,
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  Speaker 3: I think they're their GM fight out said like, can
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  Speaker 3: I draft both? In terms of shador in Travis Hunter, So.
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  Speaker 1: There's obviously Ken if he wants come up to four.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's obviously an infatuation with with Travis Hunter across
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  Speaker 3: the league, which is not surprising, but with Abdul Carter specifically, Uh,
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  Speaker 3: if he's there at four, I think there's an interesting
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  Speaker 3: discussion that comes to that one. It's another defensive player
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  Speaker 3: on that side of the ball. But what I continued
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  Speaker 3: to say is that it is a player that is
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  Speaker 3: so far above the rest of the pack that you
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  Speaker 3: have to take talent where the talent is right. And
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  Speaker 3: I would not sweat it one bit to sit at
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  Speaker 3: four and have Abdul Carter fall in their laps, But
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  Speaker 3: I do want to talk about some of the things
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  Speaker 3: with the abdual Carter that might be causing him to fall.
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  Speaker 3: But what are just your general impressions right now of
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  Speaker 3: all this chatter surrounding Abdul Carter?
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know. Maybe I'm in the minority here
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  Speaker 1: because there's been a lot of reporting that the Browns
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  Speaker 1: were there for Travis Hunter. But and I get they
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  Speaker 1: sent a big group. I understand that, and Travis Hunter's
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  Speaker 1: a great player. Is the owner really traveling for a
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  Speaker 1: wide receiver? Is the owner traveling to see a wide receiver.
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  Speaker 3: Like now he did go to Penn State.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so, but just the whole party is reminiscent to
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  Speaker 1: me of what the Patriots sent to LSU and two
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  Speaker 1: UNC last year. I'm like, this is what teams generally
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  Speaker 1: send for quarterbacks. So maybe that means that they're going
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  Speaker 1: to try to move up and get Sanders in, like
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  Speaker 1: the teens move up from the second round and get
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  Speaker 1: Sanders in the teens. And they are going to take
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  Speaker 1: Hunter at two, and they do want to pair them up.
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  Speaker 1: But I still think if Sanders goes too, this is
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  Speaker 1: the part I feel stronger about my conviction. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: necessarily one hundred percent sold on the Browns doing anything
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  Speaker 1: right now. I do feel like if it is Sanders
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  Speaker 1: at two, which is admittedly a big if, if it
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  Speaker 1: is Sanders a two, Travis Hunter is gonna go three. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I do think that's the path too.
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  Speaker 3: It happening, yeah, yeah, And I feel like that's that's
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  Speaker 3: where I'm at. I'm trying to think about this realistically.
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  Speaker 3: You know, if the draft is Ward Sanders Hunter, then
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  Speaker 3: I think that's probably now the most realistic way this goes.
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  Speaker 3: That one of those two guys falls to the Patriots.
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  Speaker 3: Hunter Carter falls to the Patriots is if the draft
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  Speaker 3: goes Ward Sanders one and two. I don't think if
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  Speaker 3: the draft goes Ward Hunter, that the Giants are going
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  Speaker 3: to pass over Abdul Carter. So the Giants were then
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  Speaker 3: I would believe would would draft Carter. So he's not
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  Speaker 3: on the board for you anyways. The one thing that
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to talk about it I always want to
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  Speaker 3: be careful with this kind of stuff, obviously, but it's
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  Speaker 3: not my reporting, it's just what's out there about Abdul Carter.
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  Speaker 3: Bob McGinn does a great job every single year of
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  Speaker 3: really digging up the true feelings of the NFL on
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  Speaker 3: each problem.
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  Speaker 1: He is the draft boogeyman. You don't want to see
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  Speaker 1: Bob mcgainn writing about a player, do you like?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So he comes out every single year, position by
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  Speaker 3: a position, and he's got scouts on the record anonymously
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  Speaker 3: talking about these players.
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  Speaker 1: And he was the one for Reference last year. Remember
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  Speaker 1: like a week before the draft and we were big
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  Speaker 1: Ady Mitchell guys that put out there that Ady Mitchell
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  Speaker 1: was going to fall because teams didn't like the way
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  Speaker 1: he managed his diet his diabetes. Right, Is that what
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  Speaker 1: it was? And I so Adie Mitchell then falls on
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  Speaker 1: draft night way beyond where anybody thought. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: it was ever confirmed that that's why. But like you
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  Speaker 1: tie those two together, it's like, Okay, here's a guy
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  Speaker 1: a week before, two weeks before that said he was
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  Speaker 1: going to have the significant fall and then he had
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  Speaker 1: a significant fault. Yeah, So I don't think we're we're
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  Speaker 1: quite with the things that McGain is reporting or is sourcing.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think we're quite in Jailen Carter territory where
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  Speaker 1: there was an actual legal incident. Well that wasn't a
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  Speaker 1: report that just happened right.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's what I'm saying in terms of I don't
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  Speaker 3: think we're in that territory because I know he had
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  Speaker 3: the incident a year ago with the total truck driver
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  Speaker 3: and all that he's been cleared of any charges of
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  Speaker 3: that in that case, unless there's more cases that we
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  Speaker 3: don't know about that weren't you know, risen to the
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  Speaker 3: legal level, you know, where he's getting charged with anything,
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  Speaker 3: Like I guess maybe that could happen. But my point being,
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  Speaker 3: Jalen Carter had the it was speeding right or reckless
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  Speaker 3: driving yea drag racing that that happened like the spring
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  Speaker 3: of the draft, right like that happened that year. So
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  Speaker 3: Jalen Carter ended up falling ten uh to Philadelphia obviously,
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  Speaker 3: and that looks like a home run pick for them.
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  Speaker 3: But here's what McGinn wrote, you know, just kind of
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  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna read the whole thing, but here here's
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  Speaker 3: an excerpt from m again on Abdul Carter. That scout
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  Speaker 3: was one of four personnel people to express reservations about
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  Speaker 3: Carter's makeup. He's not a great worker, said one plays
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  Speaker 3: his butt off on Saturday, but he's not a great
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  Speaker 3: guy during the week because he's so gifted. So I
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  Speaker 3: think the bit the general gist of what McGinn wrote
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  Speaker 3: from all these different scouts about Carters. He's a little
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  Speaker 3: high maintenance.
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  Speaker 1: He's kind of a diva.
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  Speaker 3: He's a little high maintenance, you know, and he's one
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  Speaker 3: of those guys that Monday through Saturday might not give
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  Speaker 3: it as all, but Sunday he obviously, you know, when
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  Speaker 3: you turn on the tape, you can see what he
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  Speaker 3: can do on Sundays or Saturdays, you know, in college football.
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  Speaker 3: So I think the number one thing to me with
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  Speaker 3: all of this, I always take this type of stuff
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  Speaker 3: with a grain of salt. You know, you never know
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  Speaker 3: if anybody has a motive or an axe to grind
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  Speaker 3: or whatever with a certain player. I tried not to
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  Speaker 3: look too much into any of that kind of stuff
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  Speaker 3: and just stick to the to the football and stick
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  Speaker 3: to the tape. But when Rabel's here and Elliot Wolf
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  Speaker 3: and Ryan Cowden, and we can see it with their
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  Speaker 3: actions that they have been big culture evaluating us, you know,
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  Speaker 3: effort and finish on the football field, getting the right
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  Speaker 3: kind of football players, getting the culture. Guys in this
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  Speaker 3: locker room, getting former captains, you know, guys that are
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  Speaker 3: gonna circle the wagons for them with guys like Harold Landry,
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  Speaker 3: like just they're big on culture. Yeah, they're big on
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  Speaker 3: that word. And if Carter is there again, it's a
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  Speaker 3: talent grab. It's a situation where you can't hesitate in
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  Speaker 3: my opinion, but it is a test. It's a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of a test of how much are they willing
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  Speaker 3: to bend in that department Because to me, the reason
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  Speaker 3: why Travis Hunter is getting some number two buzz now
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  Speaker 3: over Abdul Carter is that Travis Hunter is a perfect
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  Speaker 3: off and on the field football player he is. He
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  Speaker 3: eats breeze football. He always says like I have eight
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  Speaker 3: hours of sleep in sixteen hours to work on football,
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  Speaker 3: and like that's the type of guy that he is.
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  Speaker 3: He's a worker. He's very prepared. He does a lot
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  Speaker 3: of film study. His character is very well thought of.
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  Speaker 1: All he does. All he does is study football and
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  Speaker 1: play video games. That's really it. Yeah, Like he talked
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  Speaker 1: about this on College Game Day last year where he
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  Speaker 1: was like, I'm in the film room, I'm Matt practice,
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  Speaker 1: I'm in the workroom, and they're like, you must do
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  Speaker 1: something else. He's a streamer, that's you know what a
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: lot of these kids do. That's what he does. But
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: usually like he plays CFB twenty five like it's still
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: a football game. So that he is it is really underrated.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: I would say the most underrated part about his game
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: right now, just the general consensus what I read about
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: him is how much of a student of the game
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: he truly is.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and if Abdol Carter isn't that And we're
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: looking at the two of these players, and I think
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: most people would agree either they're one two or two one,
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: and they're both kind of equally graded. In that blue
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: chip terrritory. Like these types of things, when you're making
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: a pick that high can certainly sway you towards one
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: player versus another. Do you think that Vrabel would concede
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: on the culture stuff because Carter is just so overwhelmingly talented.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Well, this is kind of a I don't want to
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: do that. It's a catch twenty two. On one hand,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: he doesn't necessarily fit the culture that you're looking for,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: and that might be a red flag. On the other hand,
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: isn't this part of why you build that strong culture
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: Because if there is a guy that's so monumentally talented,
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: and Bill did this again and again and again. If
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: there is a guy that's so monumentally talented but maybe
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: isn't exactly the person you wanted to be, the idea
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: is you can get him in a room that's ninety
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: ninety five percent guys that are all pulling in the
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: same direction. You hope he's going to buy into that,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: that the culture will support him and uplift him. So now,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: it's one thing to do that ten years in. It's
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: another thing to do what you're right. If we were
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: having this conversation ten years into the raable tenure, i'd say,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: and things go the way we think they're gonna go,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: or he thinks they're gonna go, absolutely right. You bring
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: them in and okay, like the culture is there, the
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: program is instilled, and it's just gonna what is it,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: high tides, lift all boats or whatever, like it's gonna
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: help me out year one. It's a little more of
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: a risk. But the other argument is, this is why
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: you build a strong culture. So when a guy like
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Abdull Carter is available with his talent, even if he's
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: maybe he doesn't isn't as motivated as you want him
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: to be, he's gonna have no choice but to change
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: the way he operates when he gets in this building,
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: because that's just how things are done in this building.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, and and I think the other you know, conversation,
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: I don't want to spend too much time on the
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: character still because I don't know Abdul Carter, Like it's
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: not my reporting, Like I don't know the guy's when
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: you start to talk about why could he be falling?
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: And that's sort of a conversation that's going around right now.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: This is the only reason why it's obviously not the
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: tape right, like it's it's obviously not the foot player
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: because we can all see how talented he is, but
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: it might be some of this other stuff. I don't
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: think it's the foot I I think that that's that's
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: something that is.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Oh no, he can't, he can't do half a mini camp.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: We got drive somebody else.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: Like, No, I don't think it's that. This to me
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: is is one hundred percent.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Uh. If there's anything going on, it might be care
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I hate doing this stuff, but it also is it's
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: important context, like we because we're projecting off the tape, right,
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: but the one part piece of information that we don't have.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: We're not in the meeting rooms with these guys. Yeah,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: we and you hear coaches talk here and there, but
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: everybody has an agenda, right, We don't have necessarily the
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: full personality, mental makeup picture that the teams do. So
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: we this happens every year. There's one or two guys
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I really like that fall and it's why do they fall?
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: If if you thought they were so good? Has happened
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: with Deman Jones a couple of years ago. You know,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: I thought he's gonna be an early second round pick.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: He went what mid fourth like early forth, Sometimes guys
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: fall a little bit and it's like, already felt a
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: little bit. Maybe I was wrong. There's a certain point
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: where a guy falls to a level where it's like,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: clearly somebody knows something I don't know. And at this
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: point I'll go with the somebody. Nolan Smith. We thought
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Nolan Smith was a clear cut first round pick and
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: we were shocked when he felt like beyond the top twenty.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: What do you end up going third round? Right? You mean?
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: Ni?
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Kobe Dean? N Kobe Dean, thank you? Yeah? Na Kobe
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: Dean goes like very late in the draft, and then
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: it comes out he had a shoulder injury that nobody
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: knew about. And it's like if I had known that,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I would have adjusted, but it wasn't out there. So yeah,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: I hate talking about this stuff, but it all it's
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: the part of the picture that we don't have. So
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: when we get these little nuggets of it, I do
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: think it's worth the dressing. And it goes the other
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: way too. It's not just to beat on guys like
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: we've talked about, but the good things usually those are
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: put out there because they're good and they want you
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: to know, when we hear about like the leadership of
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: certain players or things like that, how they are as
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: a teammate. Like, the good stuff is going to be
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: put out there, so we have a little bit more
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: of that to talk about.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: Whether you think it's overblown or not with some of
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: this stuff that comes out in these you know, McGinn
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: style articles. Dan Brukler released the Beasts today. Usually Dan's
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: a little bit more timid with some of this stuff.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: But if there is honest.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Concerns about a player's you know, mental makeup. You know
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Javon Baker, I remember last year, you know, some of
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: this stuff about his maturity and all that kind of
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: stuff came in the Beast like that that he'll come
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: out and say it too, right, And it's important because,
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: like you said, we're on the outside looking in to
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: this puzzle. We don't have all the information at hand,
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: and when we will, you know, get our takes out.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: It's about the tape, it's about the film, it's about
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: the player, and we have to realize that this other
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: stuff is just as important to teams as the football.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we did. The only reason we don't talk
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: about it is is we don't have it right, right,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: we will look and sometimes it ends up being Psyeah.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Two years ago, teams were worried Christian Zalez was soft yeah,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: and he wouldn't make it, and he fell to fourteen,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: and then he fell to seventeen, and Annual fourteen he
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: went over him. Kean White too, Kean waves another one.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: So sometimes it ends up being bs yeah in the
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: at the end. But it impact we're talking about when
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: we're talking about draft stock. It matters. And then you
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: know I said it about Gonzales at the time, all right,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: it impacted this draft stock. I understand that. I didn't
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: think it was going to impact him as a player.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Those are two different conversations. Team screwed the draft up
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: all the time. You have to consider that.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: So the other thing, as we segue into the next
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: news item I wanted to bring up, I have zero
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: hesitations about Abdul Carter playing defense, like not being like
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: a tackle or a receiver an offensive player. I think
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: the bad teams stay bad by passing on better players
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: for needs. Right, any if you have a chance to
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: get Abdul Carter now, you might look at me and
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: say you think Mason Graham's a better prospect than Will
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: Campbell or you think Jalen Walker is a bet. Those
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: guys to me are in the same cluster. They're in
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: the same stack, so need andsosition and positional value might
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: be a little bit more heavily weighted when you're within
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: a tier of players. Abdul Carter is in his own tier,
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: different tier, right, So when we're talking about Abdul Carter
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: over Will Campbell, or Abdul Carter over Ted McMillan or
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: Tyler Warren or whatever the case may be, we're talking
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: about a different level of prospect.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Gent is in that tier with Kit, with Carter and Hunter.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: To me, he's just it's sure the running back thing.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: But like I so to case in point for the Giants,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: if it goes quarterback quarterback, they get to do the
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: whole positional value and fit thing. Yeah, with Carter and Hunter.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: And that's why I think they would take Travis Hunter,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: even though Carter might be a little bit of a prospect.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: The one thing that kind of haves edge, So they
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: get to do that. If you're the Patriots and it's
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Abdul Carter or the field, you don't get to do
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: that or Travis Hunter in the field. You don't really
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: get to do that because they're such different levels of player.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: And I like what the Patriots have done on the
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: defensive line. Milton Williams is obviously a great player, a
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: good sign Harold l Anders, a solid signing that's gonna
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: be an NFL caliber starter that's gonna be plug and
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: play and a defense he's familiar with. But they don't
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: have it. They don't have a sack artist, like, they
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: don't have a finisher. They to me Abdull Carter completes
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: the defense like that's a cherry on top of the Sunday.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: We've talked so much about the coverage dictating wide receiver. Yeah,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: the blocking, dictating pass rusher. They don't have the Matthew Judon.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: Right, the jude On, you know, the pure one on
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: one winner on the outside that's gonna have double digit sacks, right,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know if they have that.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Who's the guy that's going to force offenses to do
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: things differently? And boy, you drop Carter into the thing. Carter,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Milton Williams, Christian Barmore. He is healthy, which probablys great
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: to seem in the building this week. Ye can right for workouts? Well,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I was just going to say, at all three levels, right,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: you talk about cornerstone players. Kean White will see you
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: can get there, He's not there yet. Milton Williams, Christian Barmore,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Abdul Carter, Christian Gonzales. That's a defensive core. Yeah, that
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: is a true core that you can build around. And like,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: those guys are going to give you a really solid floor.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: When I look at the Patriots and then I promise
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: we'll move on because and I spend a lot of
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: time on this, but when I look at the Patriots
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: in terms of, you know what, there are pillars of
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: this team moving forward, Drake May, Christian Gonzalez and potentially
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: Abdul Carter. Doesn't that feel a little bit like Stroud,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Stingly and Will Anderson in Houston a little bit?
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Like it's very similar. Obviously, Drake May hasn't risen quite
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: yet to the C. J. Stroud level. I wouldn't say
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: Stingley and Gonzales both all pro corners. I think Will
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: Anderson and Abdull Carter are adjacent in terms of talent
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: and you know, just ceiling as prospects coming out of college.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: The Texans just did this right. The Texans just kind
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: of put set themselves up for the next at least
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: five years of being a playoff contending team.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: Well before they tore their offensive line apartment.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, Now the difference is, and this is where
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: we get into defense and some of the guys I'm
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna mention with some of these recent visits that
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: have been reported, the little bit of difference is that
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: the Texans hit on Day two picks right, so that
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: they hit on Dave two picks specifically on offense. I
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: know he's been you know it hurt at times, but
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: you know, tant Dell, Nico Collins, you know, players like
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: that like you need to if you're gonna draft best available,
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: which is what I think Houston pretty much did with
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: Stingley and will Anderson.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Well they moved up to get and.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but they he was the best player available and
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: they moved up and got him. When you draft those
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: types of players on one side of the football, you
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: got to hit in rounds two through seven on some
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: of the other positions that are going to be important
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: to your offense. And Nico Collins is like a mid
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: round draft pick that turns into one of the best
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: receivers in football. You know, that's right, that's the type
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: of thing you have to do. So along those same lines,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: the Patriots reportedly again over the last week or so,
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: have met host did Mikel Williams and Shamar Stewart on
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: thirty visits. Now, my instant reaction to that was, oh, well,
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: they're stacking a trade down, right, Like if a trade
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: down is their best option at four. And I'm not
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: saying that they want a trade down or they have
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: a trade down in place. I'm just saying if like,
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: you have to come up with all the contingencies and
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: be prepared for every single possible contingency that could come
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: your way. So let's say they get the draft night,
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Abdul Carter and Travis Hunter go in the top three.
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: They're sitting at four. The New Orleans Saints call, right,
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: and they want Shador Sanders, So they're trading up for
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: Shador Standers. You go back to nine. Who are what's
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: your stack at nine?
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Like, who are the guys that you would be comfortable
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: with taking at nine? And Mikel Williams and Shamar Stewart
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: to me, would fit into that stack that range of
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: the draft. Now, I'm definitely mikel over Shamar Stewart. I
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: think Mikyle Williams is a much better football player than
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: Shamar Stewart.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: Williams said McKay like the safety.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: I said, I don't know. Mike hal Williams.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Uh, he's a better football player to me than Stuart.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: Stewart's a better athlete. Stuart's a one to one athlete,
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: you know, absolutely rare tools and athleticism. But I didn't
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: love what I saw on tape from Stewart. I thought
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: he was stiff. It doesn't have a ton of bend
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: off the edge, not gonna win with much finesse. You know,
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: I really actually thought watching him that Will Campbell, you know,
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: kind of ate his lunch. Like he really didn't give
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: Will Campbell very many problems at all. You know, Guys
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: like Kyle Knard, you know, his teammate Nick Scot and
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: like some more twitched up guys that can you know,
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: win with more speed and win with more finesse. Like
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: those guys tended to give Will Campbell some problems. But
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: to me right now, Shamar Stewart's a ball play. He's
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: a risk I think for the Patriots shore to your
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: point earlier if we were two, three, four years into
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: this thing and they had somehow got into the you know,
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: a top ten pick or a late top ten pick,
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: and they want to give Rabel and Terrell Williams this
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: ball of clay, you know, raw toolsy athletic pass rusher,
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: you know, have at it. But I think the Patriots
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: need to get on base with this draft pick as
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: much as anything. They need to hit one right down
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: the fairway. Mikel Williams, I think does that a little
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: bit more, a little bit more college production, a little
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: bit more translatable. I think to a four to three
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: and you know he's a four to three base end,
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: like that's what he is. Great length, you know, above
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: average length in terms of arm length, and also stride
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: length as well. I think is a good strength of
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: his really good film against Kelvin Banks Junior. A trade
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: down to nine ish in drafting Mikel Williams or you know,
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Jalen Walker, I know is getting some buzz as well.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: To get a nine. I feel like he's heat. That guy,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: screams Carolina Panther.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, either one of those guys, though, I'd be
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: okay with in that scenario but what are your thoughts
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: in the meeting with those guys, because I think Williams
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: and again, I think Williams and Stewart are kind of
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: in the no man's land for them, like it doesn't
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: really feel like they're going to be in a position
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: to draft those guys.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Well, so, Stuart, I've seen some mocks that put them
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: down into the twenties. Now, some of that is Mike
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Green going higher than expected with that, that's another guy
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: that has some non football concerns. Yeah, some of those
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: mocks have some other edge guys going earlier, but no,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: they're they're they want to be ready if a trade
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: down comes. You can't get to nine and be like, shoot,
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: we don't know anything about any of these guys, right,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: so you want to be prepared in that situation. It
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: also might be something we've heard of this. Both those
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: guys played in the SEC, right, Yeah, Hey, what you
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: what did you think of well Campbell? Yeh? What was
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: it like facing him? Kelvin Banks? What was that like?
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: Going up against him like that? That's the best that
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: can be some of the best intel you get literally
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: talking the guys who are lined up on the other side.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: So it doesn't have to be one of the other.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: It could be both. Hey, we want to know about
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: a trade back and also we're kind of interested in
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: what this guy is to say about some of the tackles.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: So I don't hate it they're doing. They're due diligence.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I see people freak out some time they're burning thirty visits.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Thirty is a lot of visits, especially when you consider that, well,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: they don't have as much help with the local pro
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: dates as like, there's no reason for the Cowboys to
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: have a thirty Yeah, because you can. You can host
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: players who are either I think it's what within ninety
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: miles of your team facility.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: There's some like outside the lines with that in terms
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: of like the lines, I mean literally like drawing the
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: mileage lines, Like Yukon is a local visit for the Patriots,
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: So I don't know if it exactly fits into the mileage,
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: but they stretch it because they know there isn't a
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: ton of college football.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: The Cowboys have the university, they have all those schools
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: in Dallas, plus all the kids that are from that
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: area that ARECU Baylor. Yeah, some of the Florida teams too,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: the Dolphins, the Jags. They have a nice advantage there.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that's a side rant. Yeah, no, I think
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: it's just due diligence.
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with that.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: And it's also you know, it's a smoke screen too,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: like if they only met with Will Campbell, do they
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: meet with Membo? So I don't.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: I'm sure they have, but I don't know if.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: For thirty, But if you have Will Campbell visit and
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: that's it, you kind of lose a lot of leverage
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: if you're trying to make a trade or what have you.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: So yeah, get to know the top guys on the board.
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: I think it's interesting. Uh, you know, we hear these
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: thirty visits and you mentioned that them knowing the opponents
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: that they've gone up against. You know, Calvin Banks Junior
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: is a good one. I don't know if if Williams
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: ever faced Campbell maybe two years ago. They didn't play
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: Georgia last year. I know that, But anyways, yeah, uh,
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: maybe he has along the line. But I've heard that
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: before that guys will get hosted for visits and they'll
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: spend the entire visit talking about their teammate or talking
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: about a guy they went up against. Usually it's a teammate.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: Like usually you're you bring in like you know, a
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: quarterbacks receiver, recorder, you know, vice versa, and like you
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: kind of use them to get to know the other player.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: But there's times where like they'll say, yeah, like they
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: didn't ask me any questions about me, that they're asking
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: me all questions about you know, Shador, They're asking me
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: all questions about Travis Hunter. Like you know, it's something
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: totally different. But I looked at that in my at
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: face value and said, you know, if they if they
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: orchestrated trade down here than those two guys. And I
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: think in general, just having interesting interest in edge in
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: general makes a lot of sense. And I know some
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: people look at it and and want other positions and
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: want them to fill other needs early in the draft.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: But it's a great edge class. And I would say
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: that the Patriots still could use a young, you know,
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: developing player there. You know, Harold Landry I think is
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: good for now. He's he's going to be a good
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: starter for them in the short term. Really opposite of Landry,
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: you know, is it Kean White, you know, is he
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: an outside guy? Is he really more just a rotational
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: inside guy? You know, Chase On I think is really
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: a situational pass rusher. I don't think he's a starting
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: end for them, So drafting somebody at that position, I again,
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: like going back to the Abdual Carter thing. I don't
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: think it's crazy, Like I don't.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: I'm with you, but I think in this draft, like
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: they don't need to take that guy in the first
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: round and get that guy. There's some really good Day
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: two edge guys.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: All right, let's get into my guys, and then we'll
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: take the calls in the emails for the last hour
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: or so here. Let's start with quarterback as we can
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: kind of probably.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Go pretty quickly. Just go to the first round. Yeah,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: first round, guys are out let me at real quick.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: Just aside from the Patriots. Who ends up being QB
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: three and where does he go?
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Jackson Dart yep, mid to eight first like twenties.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: So I when I did my mock draft, I added,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: as Jackson Dart, I had the Giants moving up to
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: I think twenty six to take them. I had them
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: taking Hunter right and then Jackson Dart makes the most sense.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Jalen Miller accepted that invite to the draft, so so
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I'm not se was surprising some people. I think he's no, no.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: I just quarterback. I gotta be honest. I just didn't
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: really care too much about quarterbacks. So, uh, I liked
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: what I saw.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: At Jillian Milroe though.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: And you know, most of these guys I just watched
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: because I was watching other guys, and you obviously the quarterbacks,
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: so you see them. I just look at Jalen Milroe. Uh,
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: he's such a great athlete and uh he's got some
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: zip on the ball. Like he's not a bad thrower either.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: That I think you can build an offense with Jalen Milroe. Like,
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: it's gonna have to be specific to Jalen Milroe. It's
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: gonna have to be, you know, similar to what the
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: Eagles do with her, you know, and stuff like that,
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: even you know, the Commanders with Jayden Daniels. It's gonna
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: have to be specific to the player, and it's gonna
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: have to be different, uh than you know, you're not
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: gonna just plug him into a pro style NFL offense
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: that goes under center and uh and does what NFL
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: pocket quarterbacks do and expect it to work. But if
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: you're crafty enough, if you're creative enough as an offensive mind.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: I think that there's so much raw talent there and
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: raw ability, especially with his athleticism and his mobility, that
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: I'd be willing to take a bet on Jalen Hurts
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: in the second round.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: So, Jen, I'll give you a couple fits for Jalen
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: Milroe for me. Yeah, one is the Saints if they
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: move up in the late first right, Kellen Moore just
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: did that with Jalen Hurts. The other one is the
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Browns because when Jaln Milroe had that breakout your album
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, who was his offensive coordinator? That
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: wasn't Bill O'Brien Nope, twenty three. Oh Tommy Reese, who's
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: now the OC in Cleveland. Yeah. I think Jaln Milroe
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: or Will Howard should be the QB three in this
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: draft because one has immense ceiling, one has a very
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: solid floor. Jackson Dart to me is splitting the difference.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: I have no interest in splitting the difference. On day two.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Give me an extreme, which extreme we could debate that
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: and that's probably Team New Team. I think it should
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: be Milroe. I really like Will Howard.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: I do I have Will Howard on my list too,
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: as day two obviously as well. I don't know where
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: Milroe is gonna fall in exactly, but I watched his
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: doing like the QB school stuff. Again, he's great on
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: the whiteboard, A smart kid, you know, can conceptually understands
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: the game really well. I thought he throws a great
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: ball like it you know, it's he's a pocket passer's
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: big you know, six foot five, two hundred and thirty
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: pound pocket passer. Throws a really good ball again, understands
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: conceptually what the offense is trying to achieve, what he's reading,
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: what he's seeing out there from the defense. I mean,
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: he's probably not the most creative offscript guy or most
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: mobile guy. He doesn't really.
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: Have that in him move around a little bit.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: But I think that he's you know, like you said,
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: maybe I don't know if you know, high floor, but
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: like I just think that you run an offense with
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: him right like you cat, he can really come in
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: and step in and run an offense. Now, he's obviously
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: going to have the concerns if you will, you know,
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: similar to like Mac Jones at Alabama, Like was it
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: just you know, Jamari Smith and all all these different
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: people you know around him.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: He was pretty good at at Kansas State. Yeah he
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: didn't have Ye, there's some guys on that team, but
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: not the same level of talent.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I get that concern. Yeah, he's he's got
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: a great offensive line, he's got Chip Kelly calling plays,
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: he's got all worldwide receivers all over the place at
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Ohio State. But I just like the skill set and
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: I think he's a guy that will make it work
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: in the NFL. Probably won't be a ceiling quarterback. He's
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: probably never gonna be like a top five quarterback in
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: the league, but I think he could be a starter.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: I think so too.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, should we do like Patriots guys? Now, Well, I
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: was just I don't. I don't think the Patriots have
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: any interest in any of these quarterbacks.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: I well, they're gonna add a quarterback because Josh McDaniels
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: usually wants foreign camp, so that's they're gonna get their
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Trace McSorley veteran camp are right, I wouldn't be surprised
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: they draft another guy to have him around imagency emergency
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: third quarterback. Obviously, he's not gonna have the same physical
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: tools as a guy like Joe Milton, so there's less
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: concern there. There's two guys. I look at one and
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: I know you hate this, and I've kind of dumped
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: on this guy during the process. But for where the
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: situation is now, it makes sense, and that's Brady Cook.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: Brady Cook was terrible in twenty twenty four. He was
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: not good.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: Why Luther Burnden is not gonna go in the first round.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Brady Cook in twenty twenty three was a baller. Brady
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Cook was awesome in twenty twenty three ball stretch. He
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: was really he was better. He was he was one
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: of the best quarterbacks in the SEC. In twenty twenty four.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: He was better. Teams are gonna look at it and say,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: what happened in twenty twenty four. If Elliott Wolf wants
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: to repeat what he did with Joe Milton, Okay, we're
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: gonna find a guy with some tools, with some sneaky upside,
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: see if we can flip him. Brady Cook's got some mobility,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: he's got a big arm. It's not in the same
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: stratosphere as Joe Milton, but nobody is right. Yeah, you
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: want to try to bet on somebody that maybe can
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: have a couple of good preseason games, you can flip.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Brady Cook has flashed more than any of those guys
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: late on Day three or the udfas are gonna flash.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: The other one is Max Brosmer from Minnesota, very experienced quarterback,
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: a local guy, played at UNH for a few years,
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: was dominant at UNH. Transferred to Minnesota last year and
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: held his own. He looked like a solid. He wasn't unbelievable.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: But again, if you're just looking for somebody to be
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: that emergency third quarterback on game day that maybe you
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: can flip in a year or two, Brasmer is a
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: little interesting to me. All right, Well that's your quarterbacks.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: You don't have anybody they're gonna go late in the draft.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: You must have one. Come on, now, watched all these
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: wide receivers.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: I have no appeal for any of them, his quarterback
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: coast thinks, And I have no appeal for any of them.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: Churizma.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: Now like maybe maybe, like you know, I could get
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: talked into like a Curtis Roke or Brady Cook, like
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: as like a seventh round you do.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Like I'm not taking these guys, Curtis,
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: To me, kinder Minds reminded me a little bit of
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: like Aidan O'Connell, Like he's just like gonna be like
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: an NFL backup.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: Well he also he played all of last year on
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: a twenty cl Yeah.
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: So if you're looking for somebody that is totally non
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: threatening and is going to just fit into a back
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: of what I'm saying, then Curtis Rourke I think makes
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: the most sense.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Curtis Rourke. Brady Rabel's gonna like Curtis Rourke, excuse me,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: because he has the intangibs. Let me give you one
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: more quarterbacks.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: I think Brady Cook. It not that I don't want
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: to do the whole Juem Milton thing again, but I.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Think Brady He's not on that level.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: Brady Cook, though, has is more of like the tools upside.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, pick here.
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: Curtis Rourke to me, is if you want a draft
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Chase Daniel, Like if you want to draft a career backup,
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: who could back up? Who could back up Drake May
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: for the next five years? Like this is Curtis Rurke.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: That that's Curtis Rourke and Bros. Murder me Brady Cooks
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: a little more. If they want to see if they
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: can flip another quarterback.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one more quick quarterback take because I've seen people
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: bring up Garrett Green from West Virginia and Tommy Mellett
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: from Montana State and say, hey, you can bring these
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: guys in. They can be the third quarterback and maybe
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: they can play receiver. Garrett Green's like five to eleven.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Tommy Mellett's a smaller guy who was an option quarterback
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: in Atanta State. Again, well, so here's what I'd say.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: I don't think either of those guys are gonna be
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Julian Needelman because Julian Edelman's wonted to mill. But if
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: you want to try it and they're both, I don't
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: think either one's gonna get drafted. If you want to
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: try it as UDFA, I'm not opposed to it, fine,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: but there if you're doing that for them to play
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: wide receiver, in them to learn how to play wide receiver,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: you can't do Malie Cunningham again, where all right, we're
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: gonna play a little bit of quarterback are and to
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: play them a little bit of No, if you want
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: to develop those guys a wide receiver, you develop them
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: as a wide receiver, they're not playing quarterback. They're not
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: gonna wear non contact jors e. They're not going to
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: be the emergency third quarterback on game day. If you're
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: adding those guys, you're adding them as receivers.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's enough quarterback. That's that's there's the last point
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: I want to get out. Let's get to running backs.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: So we did day one, Day two, Day three. That's
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: how we kind of split this up with each position.
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: This is my guy and a take all in one.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: Oh boy, okay, you're ready for this. Yeah, So my
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: Day one running back is Travon Henderson because I think
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: Travon Henderson might go in.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: The first round.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: Okay, because two reasons just for the Patriots are in general,
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: just in.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: General, but I also love him.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: For the Patriots, it's probably doesn't make sense for them
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: to draft him just where he's gonna go. You know,
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: they at best are gonna get him at thirty eight, right, So,
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: like you know, I think it's gonna be long gone
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: by the time you wrap back around into the third round.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: But Travon Henderson, to me, for two reasons, I think
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: that he might get drafted in the late fur round. One,
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: he's just a fluid, explosive, big play machine, right. You know,
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: he's got all of the the tools in the world
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: to be just breaking off big play after big play
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: in the run and in the past game, you know, screens,
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: routes out of the backfield, like he can do all
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: of that. This is, you know, coupled with the fact
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: that it's a it's a copycat league. Yea, the Lions
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: just did this with Jamiir Gibbs. And I look at
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: Traveon Henderson, I don't think he's quite as.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Fast as Jamiir Gibbs.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: Like I think Jamior Gibbs had a little bit more
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: juice than Henderson, but Henderson's close. And I think that
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: the best cop for him is probably more like bris
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: Hall than it is Jamiir Gibbs. But I think that
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: he's got some shades of Jamiir Gibbs in his game.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: And if you're one of these teams copycat League, I
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: would not be surprised if somebody grabs Trevon Henderson thinking
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: that he's the next Jamier Gibbs. And also just quickly
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: Jamier Gibbs got overdrafted.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, relatively consensus.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: He got drafted a lot higher than people expected. So
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: I think that that could also be happening here with
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: trade first.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Round running backs from Evan I love it. Yeah, so
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: I did this more with Patriots in mind. First round guy,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Amari and Hampton, you want to make your young quarterback happy.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: We've talked a lot about trading up from thirty eight
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: for a tackle or a receiver whatever. If he falls,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: you know, twenty two, twenty three, twenty four, move up
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: get him in addition of you know, a tackle or
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: whoever at the top of the first round, and that
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: that would be my first round guy. I don't think
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Anderson's going to go that high, so I guess he's
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: my first round guy too. Genty just feels Genty's not
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: the kind of guy that can be my guy because
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: everybody knows how good Ashon Genty is.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised and is going to blow you away.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: This is just like a like a bold prediction. Yeah right,
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: this isn't an actual take. It's just kind of a
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: bold prediction. I love amar and Hampton. I've loved him
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: since I saw him, you know, last year, But he
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: is more of like a linear runner. He's a little
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: bit tighter hipped he doesn't quite have the game breaking
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: speed that Traveon Henderson does. Like, I just wouldn't be
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: shocked if Travon Henderson goes a lot earlier than people
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: are expecting, because somebody wants a speedback in particular, right,
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: not you know, a work course like Omrion Hampton's. The
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: appeal of Amario and Hampton is the volume that he's
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: going to be able to take on. If you're looking
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: for somebody that's going to be more of a game
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: changer in terms of play speed and big playability, then
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: that's more like like Travon Henderson all right, Day two
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: running backs, I think you would know this for me.
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: I love Dylan Samson from Tennessee. I really think that
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: he's the best Day two running back in the range
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: for the Patriots, maybe with their first third round pick
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: if they get lucky and he makes it that far.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: I just think he's a really efficient runner, but he
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: also has plenty of creativity and plenty of speed to
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: break off big plays. There are some concern there with
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: the wonky offense at Tennessee and the light boxes and
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff, but he grated out really
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: well against all different types of boxes. And I think
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: the one thing about Tennessee's offense is they underutilize past
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: catching running backs thrount of the running back a ton.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: I think in the NFL, Dylan Sampson's gonna be an
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: even better pass catcher than he was in college, just
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: because teams will use him in that vein. He's probably
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: at his best in like a David Montgomery Jamir Gibbs
• 46:14
  Speaker 3: style platoon right where he's got like a thunder and
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: lightning thing going on with somebody. And that's from Andre
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: Stevenson for the Patriots. So if they're gonna go round
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: three running back and they want to find a compliment
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: to Remandre, I feel like Dylan Samson's the best ball
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: of both worlds there.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: So my guy on day two, I think people can
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: guess this is Quinn Shawn Judkins. I just think he's
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: I love the way he runs. He's old school man.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: For the Patriots specifically, though it has to be Sampson. Yeah,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: I think you put him with Dermandre Stevenson. That's that's
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: just such a dynamic backfield. You're getting a little bit
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: of everything with those two. I think he can probably
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: play that pass catching back role and then do a
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: little bit more on top of that. So for me,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: it's it's Sampson at sixty nine. Makes all the sense
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: in the world. Yeah, So day three, I don't know,
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: there's so many options.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: There's gonna be a run of running backs at somewhere
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: in the late third, early fourth round. So that's the
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: cutoff for day two day three, So I don't know
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: how specific you want to get with that.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: You know, if r J.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: Harvey is there on day three though, like that's my guy.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: I think RJ.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: Harvey reminds me a ton of Dion Lewis, right, just
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: a low center of gravity, a great jump cut ability,
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: really elusive, thirty two runs of over fifteen yards last year.
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: Explosive guy. I think he's going to be able to
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: do that in the passing game as well. Smaller, like
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: not a volume back necessarily, but I think he's someone
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: that really has a lot of explosiveness and can still
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: run between the tackles. If you want to go a
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: little bit later because you feel like Harvey might be
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: third round pick and not again into the fourth round.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: Brishard Smith from SMU is really appealing coverage. Yeah, converted
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: wide receiver goes to SMU, turns into a running back
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: ran a four to three nine, but still has all of
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: the wide receiver skill, ball skills, route running ability, can
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: right run routes from the slots. How about you know,
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: I see a little bit of Jared McKinnon, Well, Jet McKinnon.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: Niam Hines like another one that I kind of thought
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: of a little bit of.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Him as well. I mean, like obviously not when he
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: was here, but like prime time time Montgomery.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can see that too.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: I have another converted receiver.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: I don't know if he's quite as as bouncy as
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: as Jet McKinnon. Like McKinnon is like a jitterbug. I
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: don't know if he quite has that.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: He's more straight line. Yeah, So that's why I kind
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: of thought of Niame Hines. So I'm just gonna because
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: there's so many running backs, I'm just gonna use this
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: opportunity to ask why more people are not talking about
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Kyle Manong. Guy. I feel like it's Isaiah Pacheco all
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: over again. Yeah, Like, come on, he runs mean, he
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: runs angry, He's faster than people think he can handle
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: himself in the passing game. I really like Kyle mno
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: on guy, but my guy for the Patriots. You know,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: I gotta go with laquin Dallen Syracuse or Wood he
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: marks like Luquindallen, Wood, he marks Purshard Smith. Give me
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: one of those three guys to play the James White role.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: I will be very happy if they get one of
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: those three guys and he catches sixty balls in a season. Awesome,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: Like that's what I want from that. And then they
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: had a bowling ball back later, great like a film
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: offa But just give me one of those pass catching guys.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: It's interesting because you know we're doing our big boards.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: Douce and I do dueling big boards. And when I
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: started to do the running backs, I don't worry. I
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: put a lot of running backs on there. I know
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: they're gonna draft a running back. We all know it
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: because I put a lot of running backs on there.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: And I just can't get mister Kraft out of my head.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: Speedback right? Not not Damien Martinez.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Right, We're not going Davian Martinez would be fun.
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: We're not going power between the tackles here.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: I even I won't. Why not both? You don't think
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: I think there's a real chance they draft two running backs, Yeah,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: bigger Bowl high.
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: Like in the four to third fourth, like a Pierre
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: Strown Kevin Harris Reducks, but better.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I do you get because the past catching backs
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: are all later unless they want Simpson Samson. Yeah, the
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: pass catching backs all projected to go later. Yeah, I
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: mean get Damien Martinez are an allibordonate one oh six
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: or even maybe at seventy seven, or even Caleb Johnson
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: if he falls right at seven. He said, that's a fall,
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: but somebody's gonna Caleb.
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: Johnson is a little bit more of his own back
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: by here, and then.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: You get that passing down back later. And now you
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: have if McDaniels is going to go back to splitting them.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: Stevenson Rookie one is your early down, Gibson Rookie two
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: is you're passing down and your set like that's I
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: think that's if it were up to McDaniels. Not if
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: it were up to McDaniels, but like all other things aside,
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: if McDaniels could set the running back room up like that,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: he'd be very happy. Now, there's other things you have
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: to do that may prevent you from doing that, but
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: I think that's what McDaniels would like to runningack room
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: to look like all.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: Right, wide receiver, Day one, Day two, Day three again
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: at wide receiver. I'm just gonna take this opportunity to
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: do once again to say Travis Hunter is a wide
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: receiver like that, that's.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: My I think that's clear.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: That's my Day one guy, Travis Hunter, wide receiver. I
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: think one of the big things that has irked me
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: the most this draft season is hearing that Travis Hunter
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: is a raw route runner, Like this is just drive
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: me up a wall.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Show me a college receiver that isn't.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: But it's different buckets, right, Like there's wide there's wide
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: receivers that win as technicians, yeah, and there's wide receivers
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: that win because they're built different, Like Travis Hunter is
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: in the built different category.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of the things that you hear
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: about him and read about him as a wide receiver,
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: you know, they right remind me a lot of like
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: Molik Neighbors, Odell Beckham Junior like guys like that when
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: they were coming out that no, if you wanted to
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: put teach tape up of how to run a dig like,
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: they might not be the ones that you would put
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: up on the film, like maybe you'd go up and
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: get like a Ladd McConkey right to run a route
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: and show a sixth grader how to run an out
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: right Like that might not be your guy, but if
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: you want guys that have unreal place to be, great
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: ball skills, great ability to change directions in suddenness, a
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: gear changes, I think is a really underrated skill for
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: wide receivers or guys that can tempo routes and have
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: different gears that they can get to, because that can
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: really make corners uncomfortable. Travis Hunter does all of those
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: different things as a wide receiver, So I'm just excited
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: that that take is becoming more popular and becoming a
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: lot more of a head of steam, especially after his
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: pro day when he only ran routes and didn't do
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: any cornerback drills. So one last time, in my guys,
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: Travis Hunter is a wide receiver at the next level.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: So Travis is like Genty, like Travis Hunter is Travis Hunter.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: He's not like my guy because it would be like
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Travis Hunter. So I'll go to talk about somebody You're
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: gonna put the TEP tape on teach tape on, I'll
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: go Matthew Golden. I'm to keep pounting the table for him.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: I understand the production is not there compared to your
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: typical first round wide receiver. This is not your typical draft,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: and I just think he showed up big in the
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: biggest games and I value that.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a great route runner and he might be
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: in in the doughnut as a deuce, and I have
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: been calling it like right in between picks right four
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: and thirty eight. But if you had to come up
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: with the wide receiver for Josh McDaniels, like, Matthew Golden
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: is kind of that kind of guy because he's a
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: really good route runner and he's a smart round runner,
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: is very technically sound, but he still has a ceiling
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: to him because of his speed and the ball skills.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: So I like Matthew.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: Everybody likes very competitive, like he's I think he's wired right.
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: So on day two, yeah, I think we're both going
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: to say names that we both really liked. That we're
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: both in contention for my guy. For me, at least,
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: I won't speak for you.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: One x one slot.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: Uh No, I just had one Day two guy. Oh
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: maybe maybe you could say, but no, I just feel
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: like you're going to say a name and that I
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: I almost said, anyways, Jayalen Noel is my guys. Oh okay,
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: so maybe I'm surprised you.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Thought I was gonna sayway I did? All right, Well,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: yeah those are the two.
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was between those two. Yeah, you know,
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: similar but different. You know, Jaylen Nowell I think is
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: a pure zer, pure slot receiver. But I just I
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: was blown away by his tape the first time through
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: that I watched it. I was not expecting that kind
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: of athlete or that kind of separator at the third
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: level of the defense. I thought that this was going
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: to be Lad mcconkee, reducs right, like a just a
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: good crafty wide receiver. That's good route runner, that's heady,
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: that's smart, that's tough. He is a lot of those things.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: But this is a guy that has true vertical stretch,
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: like he has three level speed. He's very very fast.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: He's a great athlete. Tested through the roof, I think
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: that took a lot of people by surprise. The you know,
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: aris score that he put up and all that kind
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: of stuff. He was fantastic throughout the whole process, great
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: Senior Bowl Week, great combine, great tape at o Iowa State,
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: his final season. The only knock on Jalen Noel is
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: that he's more of an inside guy, right, Like he's
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: probably not going to give you the outside reps full.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: I still stick to Tyler Lockett as my com I
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: still feel like that's the speed slot com for him.
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: But I was close with Kyle Williams. I just wish
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: that I had gotten to him earlier and kind of
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: discovered him right to the hesitation that I had with
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: Kyle Williams. And this is probably unfair, and this probably
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: is just a was a me thing, not a himn thing.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: I just didn't come away from Senior Bowl Week with
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: him circles like I didn't notice him as much as
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: I wanted to notice him. You know, I noticed with
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: strepbo for the wrong reasons, no offense. I noticed the
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: tow Iowa State guys for.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: The right reasons.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: I just felt like I never saw Kyle Williams.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you why, because he was like the last
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: guy up on every rep. Maybe that was why you
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: were like mentally checking. I'm telling you, I bet that's
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: what it was. I bet that's what.
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: I don't remember Kyle Williams being there.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: I'll beat you wouldn't know if you watched it on
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: TV that kept cutting away from him. Again.
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: I literally don't remember him being there.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: The honest knocks on Kyle Williams. For me, as big
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: of a fan as I am, his an older prospect.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: He's a late breakout guy. He has kind of four
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: years old right, twenty three years old. He was decent
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. Last year was the year that
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: he really took off, and his numbers are insane. But
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: this is a guy that can get open at all
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: three levels, can create after the catch. He's probably a
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: little bit of a higher floor, lower ceiling player, but
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: I still think he's a decent ceiling. But I'll take
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: the high floor for this team at this point. But
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: with Noel like as much as I like Kyle Williams,
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: you give Josh McDaniels Jalen Nowell and you put him
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: in that Julian Edelman role with the pop he has
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: after the catch. I just think that this ceiling there
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: is tremendous. I really do. And I don't know if
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: this is a hot take at this point or not
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: specifically for the Patriots. I guess it could be different
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: for different teams. I'll take Jalen Noel over Jaydon Higgins
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: if they're debating between the Iowa State guys, Like Noel's
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: higher on my list for them than Higgins is.
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: So I have all three of these guys, you know
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: that you mentioned Higgs and Higgins, like in one tier,
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: I haven't Noel Higgins Kyle Williams, but like I have
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: Noel over Higgins, and I'm surprised that that's not a
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: more popular take. I just think Noel runs her out
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: so a lot more urgency and a lot more dynamic movement, right,
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: Like he's not an outside guy. Yeah, and maybe that's
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: why people just like the size outside with Jayden Higgins.
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: But Jayden Higgins does not play to a four four seven.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, he just doesn't. He doesn't play that fast.
• 56:54
  Speaker 3: And so you know, I thought he was gonna be
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: a mid four fives guy. I thought if he ran
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: a four or five to two, that was gonna be
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: a great time for him. He ran a four four
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: seven on a fast track. But I just I look
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: at these two guys with Williams and Noel, their route
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: running ability, their separation, it's different. I think Noel is
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: a technician. I think Williams is a pure separation.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Williams is that like he and he's not Travis Hunter.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: But like what you were talking about before, he just
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: he it's not technical. He just gets open. Yeah, he
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: reads it, well, he moves well all of that. One
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: more day too, receiver before you move on. Yeah, now
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: that you've actually watched, because we've talked about the sky
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: a few times, but I don't think you had gotten
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: him yet, at least not in depth. Saving on Williams.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: Where are you at with Savian?
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: I love Save On Williams. I watched him in the
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: in the first run. Interesting, I'm a big fan of
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: Saveon Williams. It's gonna take some creativity, it's gonna take
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: right the right fit in terms of the offensive coordinator
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: to get the most out of him. Like if the
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: forty nine ers took uh Save On Williams and turned
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: him into Deebo Samuel like, he would be a problem.
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, that's gotta be the comp absolute problem.
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: I think Cordell Patterson's a decent as well in terms
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: of that, but he's got a little bit more ball skills,
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: I would say, then Cordero Patterson did.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: I didn't.
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: We were not into the draft yet with Patterson, but
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: from well that was eighteen, right, Well that I mean
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: when he was with the Patriots.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're right, yeah, why do I remember doing
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: a draft show about Cordero Patterson?
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: But Patterson I don't remember him having the contested catchability
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: and the stuff that save On Williams puts on tape.
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: But Cordero Patterson was probably a little bit faster in
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: a straight line than Savion Williams. But Williams got juice,
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: he's got size, he's got contested catchability. He's just not
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: a great route runner, and he's got a lot of
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: focus drops on tape. He's got way too many drops.
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: But he's a fun, fun player, you know, if you
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: have him in the right role, And maybe Josh McDaniels
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: remembers Cordial Patterson in twenty eighteen and can kind of
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: do the similar thing. I like Xavion Williams a lot.
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: It's just this specific type of player.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: We might have to do early day three, late day
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: three for vers.
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: Okay, so, uh my late my day three guy, which
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: was kind of a joke and then kind of also serious.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Is it? Uh Thornton? Dante Thornton. No, it was close.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: He was on the short list. I'm coming around on
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Nante Thornton.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: Okay, so let's do early day three and late so
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: we can get to that. Ted Johnson, I still believe.
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: I will not quit Tez Johnson, I will not quit.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: I will not quit.
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: He's gonna. I think Dante Jordan Thornton is gonna get
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: drafted later, uh than than Tess. I still think Ted
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: is like a fourth round pick.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: He's quick, not fast. We've confirmed that. Yes, he's tiny,
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: I get that. Uh, he's quick, not fast. I still
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: feel like he's Tank Dell, and I still feel like
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: he is going to overcome all these doubts about him
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: and have a nice NFL career. What he's gonna happen
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: is exactly what's happened with Tank Dell. He's gonna get drafted,
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: he's gonna have it awesome, like first eight weeks of
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: his rookie season, and he's gonna tear every single ligament
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: in his knee and that's gonna be it.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: For him the end of the year. And that's a
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: good pick. No.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: I just think that he's a good football player and
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: if he.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Can stay healthy, good college football player.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: If he can stay healthy, and I know it's amazing
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: major if, but if he can stay healthy, I think
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: he's gonna be a good football player.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: My early day three guy, I could go to Dante
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: Thornton kind of coming around. I think he'll go early
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: day three. To me, he's like one seventy five and up.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a good Dante Thornton Colm for you.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, So, but we haven't talked a lot about this guy.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: I thought we were gonna talk a lot about him
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: throughout the draft, and we really haven't. I'm still believe
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: in Tory Horton. Yeah, he got hurt this year. That
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: hurt his stock. He probably should have transferred out of
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Colorado State. I respect him for not doing it, but
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: he probably should have. He's a true X. He plays
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: with some pop, he's hyper competitive. He's worth a flyer.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: To me, he's worth a flyer. You know it. It
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: Maybe one oh six is a little high, but maybe
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: with one of those one forty picks, if he's still
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: on the board, he'd probably need a trade and get
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: into like the one twenties one thirties. I like Tory.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: I'm not totally out on Tory Horton. I don't think
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: he's gonna be a top one hundred pick like he
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: was projected to be, nor should he. But I'm not
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: totally out on Tory Horton like some people are.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: I think, Okay, that's fair enough. Alright, let's get the
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: Dante Thorton who was on my list, Yeah, a short list.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: I think it was between him and Tes Johnson, but
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: I wanted to get the Tes Johnson, uh Shenanigans in there.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: Dante Thorton is the Joe Milton of wide receivers.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: No, Savian Williams is the Joe No, I've made this comparison.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: Williams an interesting player in the draft.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: Save On Williams is way more refined as a receiver
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: than Joe Milton.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: But he's the most interesting player in the draft. That's
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: Dante Thorpon beside Travis Hunter. Is Joe Milton of wide receivers.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: Explain it.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: He has all of the tools, Like, if you wanted
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: to program a wide receiver in a lab, it would
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: be Dante Thornton. But he's not actually very good at football.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: All right, So this is that he's good at all
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: the individual things you need to be good at football.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: He's not good at football.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: He's got legitimate breakaway speed, like not not like, oh,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: he just runs a good forty breakaway speed. He has
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: a legitimate NFL you know, football speed play speed. He's
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: six foot four, two and five pounds. He's not Taekwon Thornton.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: He's not one hundred and eighty pounds soaking wet. He's
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: got size.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: He's got speed laterally better than Thornton can. Can he
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: get over them? No? All right, well that's a skill.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: But he My point is is that there's a ton
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: of raw talent with this player. He played at Tennessee,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: so that also fits a little bit true. He has
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: a Waukee offense just like Joe Milton did at Tennessee.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: He runs like three routes. He runs a shallow, he
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: runs an in or it under or a slant, and
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: he runs a go like that's it. That's his entire route.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: Tree are slants and go balls in the in the occasion,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: you know, a hitch route as well.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, so those are his four routes.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: But he takes a slant, you know, he takes a
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: five step slam, a glance route, skinny post and he
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: takes that thing eighty yards to the house when you
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: hit him in stride with it. And there's only so
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: many people on planet Earth can do that, just like
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: there's only so many people that can throw the ball
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: as far in as heard as Joe Milton. There's only
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: so many people that run as fast as as Dante Thornton.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: Look if he can, if the plan is to bring
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: him in and have him be like tamere Bird, Nelson
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: Agilor just running go routes on the side to keep
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: other teams honest, and you're getting him at like one
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: forty something in yeah, and we got it, not not
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: above me, get not above that. And I don't think
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: that he solves any long term issues at Receiver, but
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: for this year where they don't have a true X
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: and they don't have a lot of speed, you want
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: somebody to keep teams on again, Uh to mere Bird,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: that's the comp and de mere Bird was just kind
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: of out there to keep teams. He's much bigger, but
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: role wise wise, right, Nelson aguil Or that role and
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: he's doing it with more size and maybe run a
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: couple of rounds to him, fine in.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he that that. That's the take with Thornton though,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: because I think a lot of people, first of all,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: like I want to hang on.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: If they draft a tall, fast guy named Thornton, you
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: know what it takes. He's not saying they're right, but
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: you know what's gonna happen.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: He's Dante Smith from now on, because I don't want
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: to hear about the stupid thing about his last name.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: But I'm just picked a generic last name because all
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: you people are making such a big deal out of
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: the fact that his last.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: Name is Thornton.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: Again, Thornton's crazy. He's like twenty five pounds heavier than
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: Taekwan Thornton.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: Like, he's like, look, you're not wrong, they're different players,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: but it's gonna be objectively funny.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: He to me is like late round fire DK metcalf Right,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: Like he's He's obviously not DK.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: Meckis just twitched up, big.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: Fast, big explosives outside of Joe Milton comp I don't
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: hate Oh no, it's he's it's still saving Williams. No,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: it's definitely not all right. Let's get the tight ends.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: Ago Wall late late day three Okay, I thought we're
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: doing Dante Thorton.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: Oh no, that was like in the middle. No. I
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: have one more guy that's not getting talked about enough. Okay,
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: and I've talked about a lot on Patriots pet I
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: haven't talked a lot about him. Here, Isaac Taslot from Arkansas.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's getting some buddy.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: So another guy, big six four two twelve, great straight
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: line speed, excellent job tracking the ball. Sounds like an
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: X right. Yeah, he almost exclusively plays the slot, so
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: you're gonna have to teach him to do some more
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: things underneath. But he's good down the field, he brings
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: good speed, he's great on special teams. This is again
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: a late later pick, one of those one seventy picks. Right,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: if you can develop his underneath game, you're talking about
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: a guy who profiles profiles. Now the mental side of it.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: This other guy had in leaps and bounds, so that
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: would have to catch up profiles like a faster Jakobe Myers.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: There's gonna be some work for him to get there,
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: but that's kind of what the path would be for
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: me for Isaac to sloth. And he's gonna be really
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: good on special teams. I got a com Okay, Andre
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: Yoshivas with the Bengals. I think he's faster, but that's
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: not a bad comp Yeah, that's what I saw. I
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: think he's maybe I'm underrating how fast Yoshavas.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: Is, but yeah, Yoshavas is like a big slot that
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: can stretch the field vertically up the seam. You know,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: he's not going to run by people on the outside,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: but he has enough juice to do it inside.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: That was that was sort of what I saw. Uh
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: with Tesla, I think you're right though, he's he's picking
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: up some steaks, and.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: You know what if you get that guy and he
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: ends up in the one seventies and he ends up
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: being your third wide receiver. Again, this isn't the guy
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: that's going to solve all their wide receiver problems. Yeah,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: I'm just looking up. So Yoshavas he has sixt three
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: two O five. He ran a four to fourth He
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: ran a four to fourth three. Okay, reduce to slot.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: Literally ran a four to four three? Did you pull
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: that off? Off? Mock draftable? I mean, you know, did
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: you I do? I did? Okay, I do my homework, Yeah,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: you did? I do my homework. Six three two five
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: versus six four two fourteen for uh tesla.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: Okay, yep, there's your comp All right, let's get to
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: the phones and then we'll come back to the rest
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: of the positions because we still got a little ways
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: to go, and these people have been waiting online for
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: on hold, I should say for a while. Patty is
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: an agu on what's up?
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: Patty?
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 5: What is gentlemen?
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: So how we doing?
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 5: I'm doing good? So I just want to I just
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 5: want to make it clear, like I'm on record thinking
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 5: that Hunter and Carter are gonna be gone by the
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: time we pick, and I'm all in on Will Campbell
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 5: if that's gonna be the pick at for if we
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 5: can't move down. Actually, I don't like the I don't
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 5: like the thought of moving down because I think we
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 5: might miss out and I don't mind Jalen Walker, like
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 5: if we do move down and miss Will Campbell. But
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 5: I just wanted to read you guys a couple just
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 5: a couple of things real quick. And this is from
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 5: why It Brooks sec Scout. The tape shows that technically
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 5: or fine blocker who's ready to start from day one
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 5: at tackle, not not guard tackle, and like at the
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: end of his breakdown, and I got this at NFL
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: draft blows dot com. So the very the very last
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 5: paragraph he rights after studying the film, moving Campbell inside
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: would be a mistake. Despite this, shorter arms, the exceptional technique,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 5: recovery ability, demand a shot at tackle. And I know
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 5: that's just one man's opinion, and we're kind of getting
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 5: you know, some people that are sitting on the fence.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 5: And then you got guys like Daniel Jeremiah who says, yeah,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 5: plant tackle. The short arms don't like really pose a
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: threat or like a concern to me. And really before, Evan,
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 5: you said this weeks ago, a couple of weeks ago,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 5: and you brought it up last week too, Like there's
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 5: never been a discussion about wingspan until this year. You know,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 5: this prospect why why, you know, why is the big picture?
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: I'm not seeing it?
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 5: You know, why why is all this craft coming out now?
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 5: And you know, I think if we get him Noel,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 5: I've you know, I've said this on PU Evan, Noel's
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: my guy. I want him in the second round. If
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 5: we can get those two guys and possibly Mason Taylor
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: on day on day two, I'll walk away from this
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 5: draft a happy man, that is, with the caveat of
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 5: Hunter and Carter gone. And last night I want to
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 5: touch on Alex Yep little Quick none, your co host
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 5: on PEB. If he ever starts his own podcast, I
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 5: think he should call it Hindsight or Patriots hind Site.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: That's it, is that, Brian?
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Nice? Nice? Uh?
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: I think, uh, you know, the Carter thing with wingspan
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: or Campbell so many names.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: The Campbell thing with wingspan is brought up because it's
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: such an outlier, right Like if it wasn't such a
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: major outlier, you know of mock draft, uh, mock draftible
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: had another tackle that was in the same you know,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: stratosphere as him in terms of our of wingspan, then
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: we wouldn't be talking about it as much.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: But it is.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: And I think that the number one thing that I
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: keep coming back to with Will Campbell, I've been you know,
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: pretty consistent other than the stupid combine, I've been pretty
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: consistent about about about him playing at tackle and sticking
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: at tackle. And I think the one thing that I
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: would just say about it is that is he going
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: to be Jonathan Ogden? Is he going to be Orlando Pace?
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: No?
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: No, he's not going to be one of those types
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: of guys. But what, in my opinion, he's going to
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: be is a very solid NFL left tackle for the
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: future for a long term. And in this draft, in
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: this level of talent class, that's a good.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: Pick, and that's a good pick at that.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: Position because he is, uh, you know, a comp that
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: I came up with recently I liked a little bit better,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: you know, like a Jake Matthews type. Jake Matthews is
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: not a future Hall of Famer, he's not a ever
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: been like a multi time All Pro or anything like that.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: But he's been a quality starter for like a decade
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: in Atlanta and the Falcons have not thought twice about
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: left tackle since the day that they drafted him, And that,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: to me is is all you're looking for in this
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 3: kind of draft, and I think that Will Campbell can
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: be that.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: At that position where there's there's not enough think about
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: it this way, there's not enough human beings on the
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: planet needed to fully staff the NFL for left tackle. Yeah,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: they're just aren't. So if you get a guy that
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: can do it for eight to ten years at least,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: who is of that level, maybe not above it, but
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: of that level, that's a win in this draft especially,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: that's a win. I told Nate Solder Matt Light like,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: just guys that you're not gonna talk about replacing them.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: He's there, he's good. Set it and forget it. You
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: move on. You can build the rest of the team.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: It's been seven years they've trying to been trying to
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: find a guy to play there. They have a guy,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: and they did before, but they have a guy now too.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: They really need to protect. Yeah, it's yeah, just get them,
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: Just just get them and we can stop work about this.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: So I've been looking around for a comfort for Campbell
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: for a while.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: It's Jake Matthews.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: It is Jake Matthews. Is what I'm settled on. And
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: I'll pull up the number because Jake Matthews. It wasn't
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: quite Will Campbell short in terms of wingspan, but his
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: wingspan was also under under eighty inches, right, So he
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: was on the shorter side in terms of wingspan, on
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: the shorter side in terms of armlane. He's been in
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: the league for eleven years, he's made one Pro Bowl.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: So this is not this is not Jonathan Ogden, right, like,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: this is not Joe Thomas. This is not an all
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: time great player at the position. But again, for eleven years,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: the Atlanta Falcons have not thought about who's our left tackle. Right,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: they know who their left tackle is. And if that's
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: what Will Campbell ends up being, then I'm perfectly fine
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: with that. I said earlier that you know, something that's
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: irking me is with Travis Hunter and the rawness and
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: the unpolished receiver label that he's getting. Something that is
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 3: irking me right now about the Will Campbell discourse is well,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: he's not Jonathan Ogden or Joe Thomas, and you don't
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: you know that's what you want if you're drafting at four.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: Cool, if that guy was in the raft, I'll tell
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: you to take him right.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: It was great to want things right. That's not the
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: talent pool that we're working with. It's irrelevant that he's
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 3: not that kind of pross just as a hole across
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: the board like, well he's not.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: And you hear it with him, You hear it with
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: with Keat McMillan, you hear it with Mason Graham. You
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: hear what the lot he said. If he's not really
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: what you want at the fourth overall pick, Yeah, if
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: Malik Neighbors was in this draft, I'd be pounding the
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: table for them to take him it for right, I
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: would that guy doesn't exist. If you can trade down, great,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: but if you can't. Once again, you can't just tell
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: Roger Goodell Pencilson for next year, right, we're gonna we're
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: gonna pass, We're gonna take up. But you can't. You
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: got it. You can only pick from the players who
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: are available. Right. That's and yeah, it sucks that that
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: they're picking high in a crucial year and a year
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: where the draft isn't great. That sucks. You can't. It's
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: not mad and where you can go load in another
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: draft file. This is what it is.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: I don't really understand that reference, but mad for it.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: Like, you can upload custom draft, but you can either
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: have it generate one for you, or you can upload
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: custom ones. So some people if they're doing a franchise
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: and like the custom draft isn't good, you can have it.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: You can either upload one somebody made or just have
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: it create a new one. You obviously can't do that.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: So you can just say you can. You can create
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 3: a new one that has like all ninety.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: Nine if you want or won this year lady. But yeah,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: but then what's the fun in it? All? Right?
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: Kendall is in North Carolina? What's up, Kendall?
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 5: Hey, how you guys doing good?
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: Hey?
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 6: Yes, just but both of y' all want to know
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 6: what's y'all good feeling right now? I'll have the first
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 6: three picks to go. And my second question is we
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 6: visit with a wide receiver today from Auburn. I got
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 6: his name or y'all familiar with it, and I'll take
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 6: it up there. I appreciate it.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: Thanks for the call, Kendall. My gut feeling right now
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: on one two three. Ward Carter Hunter same, that's my
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: gut feeling. I don't totally buy into, you know, the
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: thing we spent the first twenty minutes of the show
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: talking about with Abdual Carter falling in this draft. I
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 3: don't totally buy into that totally yet. If it's not
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: Ward Carter Hunter LB, Ward Hunter Carter, I think those
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: three guys are the first three picks in the draft.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: I do not think the Browns are the Giants. Are
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: anny get duped by drafting quarterback, you know, with Shador
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 3: I think at this point everybody says people get silly
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: with quarterbacks, you know, they use Pennix and bo Nick's
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: going higher than expected last year. I almost think at
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: this point that the Browns and the Giants need to
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: look They feel like they might look sparterer by passing
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: on Shadore than taking Shador because if they take Shadoor,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: everybody's gonna be It's gonna be Daniel Jones right like
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: it's on draft night. Everybody's gonna be like, what are
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: this is a bad pick?
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: Like what are you doing?
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: They might end up being right in three years, but
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: like Brian Dable and Joe Shane aren't gonna be there
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: in three years to be right about it, like they're
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: gonna be out. So I just wonder if maybe, you know,
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: they end up just passing. There's a lot of buzz
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: right now on those two teams, specifically, you know, doing
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: their homework on Jackson Dart, doing their homework on Jalen Milrow,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: doing their homework on Will Howard. You know, those guys
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: are all been in thirty visits in all those places too,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: And I wonder if they're one or both of those
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: teams is gonna say, let's just get the guy at
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: the top of the second around. You know, let's try
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: Will Levis Right. It doesn't worked out, but it's a
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 3: you're thrown a dart and let's just try something else,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: all right.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: Also, the guy they met with projected late day three
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: picks fast guy from Auburn.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: I mean there's a lot, there's a lot of that.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: Remember Anthony Schwartz.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: Oh you you were big on Anthony Schwartz.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 3: Sast guy from Auburn. Yeah, all right, Brad is in Ohio.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: It's up, Brad.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 7: Hey you doing guys? Hey talk.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: A couple of quick days. I want to run by
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: the players, and he looked into them.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 8: I'll just spit some out.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: First of all, the cornerback cast and found three ms
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: birk and then a defensive tax was getting west from
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: Indiana and then running back my first pick. He's I've
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: gotten slower running backs like John from Iowa just because
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: I watched him play, and I would like hand junk
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: and from you from the state and tell me he's gonna.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 9: Be a.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: Brad.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: I got sorry there, Brad, if you want to email us.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: In the names, I heard some of them. I think
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: he was mentioned Denzel Burke from all.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: So Denzel Burke's really interesting one.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's kind of one of those guys that kind
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: of reminded me of like Sean Wade's career arc right
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: where there was a lot of hype for him and
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: then he didn't have the year that the people were
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: expecting last year. The only thing that I you know,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 3: I I did watch him, and the only thing that
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: I had a little bit of concerns about was was
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: top end speed, Like, I don't know if he's Yeah,
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: I don't know if he's quite the fastest guy on
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: the outside.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: I had a lot of penalties too.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that might have been because of that,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: you know, him grabbing and him getting a little bit antsy.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 3: But uh, he he's well versed in different coverages, certainly
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: seen a lot of really good competition over the years.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: He's kind of a solid guy. I just wouldn't necessarily
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 3: say that he's got a highest ceiling. He's probably more
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 3: of a floor.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: So I think it's the opposite. He's one of these
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: guys like Bill would have drafted him. Bill absolutely, because
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: one of the things that Patriots would do on Day three,
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: they drafted a couple guys like this. They would go
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: find and this Honestly, this kind of player is gonna
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: sort of become extinct in the draft because of the
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: transfer portal. They would go find the guys that were
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: high ranked recruits where it didn't work out in college
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: for one reason or another and see if they could
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: tap into that. Denzel Burke was a four star recruit
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: ninety one composite graded at twenty four to seven, and
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: he had a really good first couple of years and
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: he was supposed to be like a first round pick,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: and then in the last year and a half it
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: kind of fell off and he had a really bad
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: year last year. So he's a guy to me you
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: take kind of banking on or looking to, all, right, well,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: what went wrong last year and is it something we
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: can fix and can we get him back on track
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: to where he was supposed to be. I don't know
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: how very Bolt necessarily feels about those players. Like I'm
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: not saying he's off the Patriots board, Yeah, I don't.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: It's more a thing where like if it was Bill,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: I think it's he's somebody we would have talked about
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: a lot more. But he's a really interesting one. Yeah,
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: because he he was I think he was a projected
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: first round pick a year ago.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: I feel like you just you just described Sean Waite
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: like that, like like Sean Wade was really similar to me.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: I also had who was the defensive lineman from Auburn
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: who he went to Florida State and they just ruined him.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: And then hear No from Maryland. He transferred around to
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: Byron Coward. Byron Coward was the number one recruit in
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: the country, and he forget the order was a Maryland
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: he was at Florida State, he was at Auburn, but
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: like it just the schools he was at did not
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: know how to use him. They turn him from a
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: stand up edge rusher into a nose tackle and Bill
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: drafted him and it was just like, well, let's see
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: what's there. Yeah, So Denzel Burk's not as extreme of
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: the case. I think Coward was the number one recruit
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: in the country, but it's it's a similar sort of thing.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: Do you remember when Bill dunked on me about Byron Cower? No,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 3: I still I still remember that to this day. I
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 3: forget these are there's certain like little things that happened
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: to me when when I got you know, belichicked early
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: on in my my beat career, and that one like
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: it kind of sticks with you, right, like you kind
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: of remember these things. I misspoke and I said that
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: Coward was like a run player when he was a
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: pass player, or a pass player when he was a
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: run player. It just like I obviously got my my
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 3: wires crossed, and.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: Bill just roasted me. Bill was just like I think.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: I said, like, you know, you guys have talked about
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: him being this and it was totally off. And Bill
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: was like, I talked about that, Like.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: I remember that.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: I didn't say that. Yeah, oh god, was I embarrassed
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: to work. I thought they might have had something.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: I those types of things stick with you, all right
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: before we get back to the phone. So let let's
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: try to finish up my guys, because we we we
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: got bobbed down there a little bit with some of these.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: Coward is still in the league. Good for him. He's
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: on the Jets.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like he'll kick it.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: Still hanging around.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: So we're at tight end, quarterback, running back, receiver, Day one,
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 3: Day two, Day three, tight ends. Day one tight End.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: I put down Colson Lovelan. I just I love Colson
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: Lovelyn's tape. I think that it's a risk, sample size risk.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: You know, he got injured, he doesn't have a ton
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: of volume to stats. But you watch the tape man
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: and he's the closest thing to Brock Bauers in this draft,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: like in terms of explosiveness and dynamic route running ability
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: and just a real uh he just plays at a
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: different speed and other people really pops off the tape
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: like that. You know, Tyler Warren's more well rounded. He is,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: you know, more productive in college, a little bit of
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: a cleaner prospect, a cleaner evaluation, which is why I
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: assume he'll go ahead of Loveland. The Patriots are not
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: in a position to risk it on a guy like Loveland.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: So that's why I don't even think I'm gonna have
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: him in my top fifty because of that. But I
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: think that he's going to be a good NFL player.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: I just don't know if you're you have that margin for.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna do kind of what you did with
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: the running backs. Call it top forty, maybe not first round. Yeah,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: I'm seeing Mason Taylor projected in the sixties. What are
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: we doing. I think he's gonna go much higher than
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: people think. I don't know that he sneaks into the
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: first round. Does he sneak into the top forty, I
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: could see it. He's clearly the third best tight end
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: in this draft. Copycat league. People are gonna want their
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: their brock Bowers and stylistically is a different player, but
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: just that rookie upstart tight end. And we talked about this,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: I think last week. Part of what made brock Bauer
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: is so impressive was tight end is generally a longer
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: developing position. There's so few tight ends that are impact
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: players as rookies. Mason Taylor's young, but he's so polished
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: for his age. It really stands out that I think
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: he's a guy that can come in and contribute year one.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: If you're mocking Mason Taylor to the Patriots at sixty nine,
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: I think you're kidding yourself. He's a top fifty pick
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: to me at least, and I think he might even
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: sneak up higher than that.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: Young too, right like twenty right now, he'll be twenty
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: one as a rookie.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: Early breakout ton of runway to go.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, really high upside player, really fast and straight line
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 3: and you know, stretch the field vertically and horizontally. You know,
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: slide routes, you know, dumpops in the flat, he can
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: turn those into big plays. I think he's got some
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: route running, you know, technique stuff that he's got to
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: work on to be able to win a little bit
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: more on angular routes. You know, I don't think he's
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: gonna you see a ton of like, you know, real angles,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: you know, slants, digs, you know that type of stuff
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: with it on his tape. But once he gets to
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 3: that point, maybe you know, he kind of excels at
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: that a little bit more. I just I look at
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: him right now, I see a little bit of Tucker Craft,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: Like I see that you know, straight line speed and
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 3: the gimmicky speed on the scheme touches and things like that.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: But I think that he has a ceiling that's much higher,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: like maybe even like a Sam Laporta like level ceiling
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: once he gets into the league. I'm with you on
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: Mason Taylor. My day two guy other than Taylor, who
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: I think you know will be early day two. I
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: really like Terrence Ferguson from Oregon. I just feel like
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: he didn't really get a chance to show off all
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: the things that he can do down the field. He
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: was kind of there their dump off security blanket, like,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: you know, kinda near the line of scrimmage kind of
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: guy doesn't have a high average depth of target, you know,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 3: find some soft spots over the middle, you know that
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: sort of thing. But I think there's some untapped potential
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: there in terms of running seams and verticals, and he'll
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: maybe do that a little bit more at the other level,
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: at the next level the other guy, because I like
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 3: both of them kind of equally. Gunner Helm, Like, I
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 3: think gunner Helm is being slept on. He should not, right,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: he ran that forty and like throw the forty out
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: like it doesn't exist, Like it is irrelevant that on
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: a you know, a torn ankle, he ran a bad forty,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: Like it doesn't matter, you know, it doesn't. It's not
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: going to impact his NFL stays. He reminds me of
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: Hunter Henry a lot, Like I think that, yeah, I
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: have really similar players. I just think that he's gonna
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: be a quarterback's best friend. He's gonna find the soft
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: spots over the middle of the field. He's gonna be
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: quarterback friendly. He's gonna have great hands, he's gonna have
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: great reliability, he's gonna be able to block. You know,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's going to be a great blocker,
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: but he'll be a solid, you know, adequate NFL blocker
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: in line. If I had to pick anybody out of
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: this class on day two, I think it would be
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: Gunner Helm.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Those are my two guys kind of in that
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: range and not as high on Fannin for the Patriots.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: Arroyo is like fine, doesn't again not necessarily a Patriots
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: fit for me. Yeah, Day three though, there's some interesting ones.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 3: All right, give me your day three.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, So my guy for day three is Mitchell Evans. Yeah.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: I think he's gonna come in be the best blocking
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: tight end right away, and he has the upside to
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: be a plus receiver, but you have a year or
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: two to kind of get him there. Behind certainly behind
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: Austin Hooper is the second tight end, and then you
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: hope eventually he takes over for Hunter Henry as your
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: starting tight end. So I've kind of been on Mitchell
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: Evans for a while. I think he's a good fit
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: for them. I also, because we're doing tight ends slash fullbacks,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: I got to bring up robbi Oots here. I really
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: want him to bring in Robbie Oots kind of hybrid
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: between I've settled on my com for him. He's halfway
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: between Kyle used Check and Patrick McCard.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: You can never just give a comp like just give
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: a straight comp. But he's not.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: He's not as athletic as you used chat and he's
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: not as big as a card.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: He's like somewhere in the middle. So who's that wrong? No,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: but there's a guy on the Chargers.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, well, Matt Locke. He also doesn't play defense.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: He's like three hundred pounds.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: He might be able to say. I think he's bigger too.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: There's another guy though. I look up the Chargers in
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: the second there's it. They have Matt Locke, but they
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: have another guy too, who's like the same kind of guy,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: because like the Hardbuzz have to have like seventeen of
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: the same kind of Yeah, I feel I feel like
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: maybe that's your Robbie utz Khan.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: But I want I want Robbiots on the Patriots. Okay,
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: so help me with his last name? No idea who
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: McCallan Castles? No? Uh?
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: Is it CJ.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: Dipp I think it's Drippy. I think Drippy from Alabama?
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 3: Uh, just looking late Day three, you know, six seventh
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: round guy. But if you want a blocking tight end,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: like just a guy that's gonna be able to come
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: in and be a third tight end and block really
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: well in line. Uh CJ Depri was the most impressive guy.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 3: I saw him more than Jackson Hawes.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: I really like to pre Hawse. I think has a
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: little bit more of a receiving upside, and it's probably
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: gonna go a little earlier, it would be my guest.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: But if you're really looking for, like this is a
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: we know what he's gonna be. He's just gonna come
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: in and block on red zone and goal line and
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: short yarded situations, being a third tight end in the
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: league for a long time because he's a great blocker.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: I think Dupre's here's a comp for you.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: It's simple compa Lee Smith. Sure you remember Lee Smith?
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Lea Smith. He was the the only tight end
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: the Patriots drafted between Rob Gronky. They drafted Gronk and Hernandez.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: The next year they drafted Lee Smith, and they didn't
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: drafted tight end for like ten years until they double
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: dipped in whatever year that was. Did you get a
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: chance to watch Roonda Gadson.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: No, I got to do all the rest of the
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: tight ends. That's that's my I'm still curious thought.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: That's one of my last bails to go into the bar,
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: is it. See? I just go in order. I go
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: in like I call it alphabetical order. It's not alphabetical order,
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: but like the order that positions have always been listed
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  Speaker 1: in since at the beginning of time.
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  Speaker 3: I try to go in order of the draft board.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: So because of all the content that we do surrounding
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: the draft, like knowing the top one hundred is really
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: what I got I need.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: To be able to ace, yeah, in.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: Terms of the draft. So I literally go through our
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: the mock draft database. I put the consensus board up
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: at each position, and anybody that's in the top one hundred,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: I just watch all ten of those go okay, and
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: then I watched the next ten, and the next ten
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: and the next I just do.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: I guess it's because like I kind of figure out
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: the top one hundred guys just watching college football in
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: the fall. So yeah, I'll go just position by position.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: All right, Uh, did you do tackle in into your up?
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: So I did tackleing into your offensive line? So day
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: one tackle is Will Campbell. Like I it's I've been
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: on Will Campbell since the beginning. I know that I
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: got a little flaky there for a second, but I've
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: been on Will Campbell since the beginning. I'm not going
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: to come off it now. If the Patriots draft Will
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: Campbell in two weeks, I will not be upset. I'll
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: be happy. I'll feel good about it. I will think
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: they gotta left tackle, so Will Campbell. You know, I
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: don't have to go too deep into it. We've been
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: over Will Campbell a thousand times. But if I have
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: to pick a my guy on day one at tackled
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: I can't. I gotta go with Will Campbell.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish I had his middle name to hammer
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: the point home. I don't. I was just looking. I
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: can't find it. William Campbell sounds like a general all right.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: Day two, Day two. So I still don't think Ariante
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: Airstory's gonna fallah. I don't so when I say this,
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: not including Ariante Airstory in his group. It's Ozzy Trapilla.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: We have the same because he's he's swing tackle potential.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: Long term, he could be your starting right. I don't
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: think he's gonna start on the left side in the NFL,
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: But if you need him to pitch in there for
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: a game or two, I think he can. But I
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: think ideally he's your swing tackle this year, and then
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: next year it's him Kane Wallace battling it out for
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: the right or whenever Morgan Moses moves on year, two
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: years whatever. So obviously not I'm excited for Morgano's but
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: he's obviously not a young guy. Yeah, one of those
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: two guys becomes your starting right time big oz.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: I think Ozzy Trapla is going to be a starting
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 3: right tw tackle in the NFL, not before long. I
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: think he's better than Cayden Wallace in terms of a prospect.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 3: You know, Cadan Wallas barely played last year. So like
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: right now, if I had to take a bet on
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 3: who would be a starting right tackle in the NFL,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: Caiden Wallace or Ozzie Trapillo, I'm taking Azzy but all day,
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: and I just think he's really technically savvy, really good
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: hand fighter. He's got great size at the position, great
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: length at the position. I just feel like he's a
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: very good prospect all around. Like I really feel very
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: strongly about Trapillo being a good NFL player.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: He's probably right tackle.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: I would agree with that he maybe can play swing
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: tackle early on in his career as the backup, your
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: third tackle, swing tackle, whatever you want to call it.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: Maybe you let that happen for a year. You know,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: he develops underneath Morgan Moses for a year, year and
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: a half, or whatever the case may be. As long
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: as Moses can can go, you know, you let him go.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: I think there's gonna be opportunities. Although Moses has been
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: really really durable, durable, it's not been perfect. You know,
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: he's missed some games, you know.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: Not the last couple of years. Yeah, it's never.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: It's never been major, like he's missing an entire season
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: or half a season.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: You might need a game or two, might need a
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: game or two.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: I think Trapillo could get some chances to play as
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: a rookie that way, and I would take him on
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: Day two of the draft them or probably in the
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: double dip. You know, it would be ideal. My question
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: is is like how long can you wait on Trapillo?
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: Like I think thirty eight is a little bit high,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: but I think sixty nine is really you're starting to
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: talk about you gotta take them.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: I think it's sixty ninety be a good pick. I've
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: said this like, I strongly believe that any players they
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: take in the top one hundred, they need those guys
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: to play this year, and they need those guys to
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: contribute this year. The one exception I have to that
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: rule for me, it's not there role. It's my rule.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: I guess rule isn't the right word. The one exception
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: I have to that take for me is if they
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: draft a right tackle to be in the pipeline to
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: replace Morgan Moses. And I came up with that take
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: basically around Ozy Tripillo. YEA, maybe they end up doing
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: it with somebody else, maybe it's Anthony Belton, maybe it's
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: Cameron Williams. But like that's why I have that that
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: it's like a carve out for Ozzie Trapillo. That is
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: the one guy I think I'd be comfortable with him
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: taking the top one hundred who's not playing a significant
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: role in twenty twenty five.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: Agreed day three.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: So I think everybody expects me to say haul in
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: Pierce because that's my kind of guy. He's huge, he's massive,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: he's not necessarily great at football, but he hasn't he
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: can't teach size. I'm actually gonna go away from that.
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't hate Hall and Pierce, don't get me wrong.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: I just think Carson Vincent's getting slept on. Yeah. Now,
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: he probably isn't a right tackle, and for a guy
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: going that low, he's projected later day three, you kind
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: of want some positional versatility, So he's an outlier there.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: I think he might be able to play some guard,
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: which helps. But I think he's got he has the
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: size and the sense that he's tall and long. I
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: think he's only like three hundred and ten pounds, but
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: he is. He can add to his frame like he
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: can get up to three twenty I think relatively easily,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: and it won't impact him that much. Five year starter
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: at Alabama A and M played well at the Senior Bowl,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: held his own against that higher level of competition, and
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: he's just I think he's got the mentality down. It
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 1: looks like a smart football player. Definitely plays with a
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: lot of nastiness. He's older, he's coming from a smaller school.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: He doesn't have that positional versatility. I think that's why
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: he's gonna go where he's going to go. But in
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: a double dip because they might want a backup left
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: tackle too if they're not sold on uh Vederian Lowe's
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: the backup definitely. I think can be a backup left
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: tackle in the NFL, and then you see just kind
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: of what happens with him down the road. But a
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: good backup left tackle is not nothing. And if you
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: can get that guy, I certainly think you can get
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: him at the one seventies. You might even be able
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: to get him with that two twenty pick, depending on
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: how it goes. You get a backup left tackle there, great, awesome,
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: solid pick. Yeah.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: I really liked him at the Seapral.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: Everybody did.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: I mean he had that one spotlight drill in the
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: middle of the field. Who did he go up against?
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 3: It was a top one hundred rusher? Was Umin me
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: Ellen or was it one of the text I think
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: it's one of text Amain Stewart.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: It was an SEC guy.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah if shut him down, Yeah, yeah, you won the REP.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: So I do like him a little bit. I really
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: like Jealen Rivers from Miami to another Senior Bowl guy
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: that I thought stood ute. He could play, probably play
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: inside as well, you know, played a little bit of
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: both at Miami. It's weird the like com almost went
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: like drive to drive with it at times where he
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: played left tackle and left guard, and he would just
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: kind of flip flop in and out, which was interesting.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: Uh So I think that long term, you know, he
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: could play guard and be your starting left guard. I
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: think you could also have him play you know, swing tackle,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: backup left tackle, that sort of thing as well. I
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: just like his game. You know, big, big dude, good size,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: really good length. He has like thirty five inch arms
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: and then a short tackle class at the Combine. He
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: was like the one guy that measured in with long arm.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: He mentioned with thirty five of the combine. They're probably
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: closer like thirty eight.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got freaking tree trunks. And I just think
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: he's a big dude, moves people, great length, a little
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: bit of positional versatility. I just think those are the
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: types of guys that the league needs. You know, every
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 3: team needs that kind of guy that has the functional
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 3: strength the as your bulls in versatility. Like, yeah, he
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: might not be you know, he's not going to go
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: to you know, any all pro teams or Pro Bowls,
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: but those types of linemen can be really valuable.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on Holland Pierce. I just need
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: that real quick.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 3: He's a raw ball clay. He's a big raw ball clay.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: I feel the same way, almost similar with him as
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: I do with Anthony Belton. Like I think Anthony Belton
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 3: is kind of three. Yeah, Anthony Belton, I feel like
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 3: is getting a really hyped up in the in like
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: the media boards and stuff like that for a guy
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: that's got a long way to go and past.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: My ceiling cam for him is Trent Brown.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: That's he's got a lot of He's he's raw. He's raw.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: Anthony Belton. I'm surprised by how much Anthony you know,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: Belton buzz there is.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's usually the guy that I like that nobody
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: else likes. And I'm wondering why he's not ranked higher.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: Now I'm like almost suspicious that everybody likes him, Like, yeah,
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: this is supposed to be my guy.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: All right, So we have a you have any guards
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 3: or slash centers?
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have some interior guys, all right.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: Day one grays Abel. I think Gray's Abel is going
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: to be Joe Toney to point. Oh, I think he's
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: going to be a really good football player. He's gonna
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: play guard. I think he's gonna play left guard.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: I think Bruger Adam is a center and the Beast today.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: Okay, so there's some center flex there. Yeah, and he
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 3: did some center stuff at the comm at the Senior Bowl.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: Excuse me, but I think that guard's a little bit
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: more valuable. I think he can play left guard at
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 3: a really high level. He's going to pass protect at
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: a really high level at that spot, be extremely athletic
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: at that spot as well. But either interior spot, left
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: guard or center, I could see grays Abel excelling at
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: and I think there's a lot of value in that.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 3: Do you have any day one, guys.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna again approaching this from a Patriots point
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: of view. Yeah, and we I think we talked a
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: little bit about this last week. You know, we've talked
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: about tackle, trade up, receiver, receiver, trade up tackle, what
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: about just hammering the offensive line? And some of this
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: take too is I think grays Abel might go too
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: high for them to do this. Yeah, and I know
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: he's a right guard. I would love to see them
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: Will Campbell trade up Tyler Booker. Yeah, that whole offensive
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: line Campbell Booker, I guess, question Mark, but we you
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: know you think you're at Bradberry, mike O and Lenu
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: Morgan moses that that is a mean offensive line. You
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: are gonna hate your life as a defensive linemen playing
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: against those guys for sixty minutes. And yeah, it leads
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: them short change in some other spots. But I think
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: Booker team captain at Alabama, tone setter. You know, played
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: a couple he'll be a guard in the NFL, but
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: he played some left guard for them, even played a
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: little tackle for them. But just again, a guy that
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: sets the tone for the Alabama offensive line and didn't
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: understand that not just his past year. You bring that
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: guy in, you put him next to Will Campbell. Holy Molly,
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: you're gonna have a lot of fun on the left
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: side of the offensive line. I don't know that it's
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: like my ultimate favorite thing that they would do, but
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: I would like sneaky love that. Oh I'd love it too.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: I've come around, not I never needed to.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: If they did it was able, i'd be cool with
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: it too. But I really like Tyler Booker.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: I didn't need to be sold on Tyler Booker, but
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: I just didn't think he was gonna be there, but
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 3: after the Combine and the fact the intestary.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: With DoD Combine. But I don't care like with.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: He's an interior offensive line right. But at the same time,
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: you know, you know how teams are, and now Gray
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: Zabel might go ahead of him because he had a
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: better pre draft process than Tyler Booker. Teams might overthink
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: Tyler book Yeah, and I don't think it's totally out
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: of the question that a quote unquote unathletic guard falls
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 3: to thirty.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: I even think of thirty eight. See, so I look
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: at it. The Seahawks are at what eighteen, right, Yeah,
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: and then the Texans are at twenty five. Those are
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: two clear guard teams. Yeah, so I could see them
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: both going in the first round. But yeah, if Tyler
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: Booker is there a thirty eight, you don't have to
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: trade up for him, all the better.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: So Seattle not Seattle tends to be uh in love
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: with with the with the numbers, with the measurables. Casario
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: and Houston makes a lot of sense, like Booker.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it'sable at eighteen, I think is what I have
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: in my last Monksable at eighteen Booker in twenty five.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: They won't overthink Booker, like they won't overthink the combine
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff. You put Tyler Booker
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: and Josh McDaniel's gap scheme like a downhill run Scham, Yeah,
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: that's where happens.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: One.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: I think that's the other thing with Booker. You know,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 3: there's so many uh you know, Kyle Shanahan inspired on
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: outside zone teams. He's not an outside zone's offensive. He's
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: a he's a gap downhill. Get him on a double team,
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: have him pull, you know, like that's what he does.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: Imagine the Tyler Brook Booker White one on ones in camp.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: I just I think it's great too. Just the fit
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: because Bradberry is a smaller center. Yeah, he's undersized, and
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: he's you know, his play strength is a big concern.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: Or even if you're gonna try Cold Strange, there also applies.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: Right, So if you put Booker in on when WU
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: on either side of Garrett Bradberry or Cold Strange, like
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: you give them some some girth next to them, that
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: might help the center, you know, be able to handle
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: power a little bit better and be able to hold
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: the middle of the pocket a little bit better. If
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: he's got to just boulders on either side of him,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: that would make the most sense. It's what kind of
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: why I've I've been a little bit back in on
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: city so lately lately, just because I feel like he's
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: a big guard too, you know, kind of can do
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: the same sort of thing. But with Tyler Booker, yeah,
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: you know, if he's there, if he falls for all
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 3: these combine, you know, athletic profile concerns, I could definitely
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: see that. Day two I had Wyatt Milam. I think
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: Wyatt Milems is getting slept on because he's probably gonna
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 3: move inside at the next level. But I think he's
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: gonna be a very very good guard in the NFL.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: I don't see a real path for him.
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: You don't think city center. I think he's be center.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: He's a little tall to be a center, but it's possible.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 1: Team seem to be less bothered by that now and
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: they used to.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: I just love moving these guys to guard, like I
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 3: feel like guard is a There's still a ton of
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 3: value in pass blocking at guard because you have all
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 3: these interior defensive linemen that rushed the pass or at
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: a high level, like if you go up against you know,
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 3: Quentin Williams twice a year and Ed Oliver twice a year.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: And you know, I'll go on down the line of
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: all the guys in the AFC that you're gonna maybe
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: put potentially see if you're the Patriots, like you have
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 3: to have guys on the interior that can pass block.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: You just do.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: And I think whyatt Milam is gonna be a really
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: good one. Like he's a power oriented player. His game
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 3: definitely fits a lot better in a phone booth. But
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: he's gonna play really well at guard in the league.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: And he's gonna have a little bit of tackle feet
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 3: and tackle, you know, just experience blocking people that I
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: think is going to help him a lot in pass protection.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: I don't have any doubts that guys like Zabel and
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: Mylam are going to follow in the footsteps of you know,
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: Tooney and Sheriff and Martin and all those guys that
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 3: transitioned inside from being college left tackles. I think all
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: those guys are gonna check those boxes if you want
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: to throw, you know, Donovan Jackson.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: So that was gonna be my guy again. If they're
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: gonna do the tackle guard boom boom, at the top.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: Donovan Jackson, I like, yeah, my day two centers obviously,
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: Jared Wilson, I've been very high on him. Limited sample size,
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: but smart player, athletic player, little similar to David Andrews
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 1: now David Andrews obviously didn't get drafted, but maybe the
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: league learned something the last times. A little bit bigger,
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: but it's a little bit bigger, but he's still undersized
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: size there quotes the center and the other guy gotta
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: mention her. On Day two Marcus Mabou, who got hosed
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: by the combine, going from thirty three and an eighth
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: in charms all the way down to thirty two. He
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: is a tackle, but he'll probably move. He's played both perdue.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: He can probably right tackle guard, flex right tackle guard. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: he uh. He wouldn't be a bad pick for the Patriots.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: He's got some of the most bizarre hand fighting I've
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: ever seen. Like he's like literally like the karate kid,
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: but it works like he gets it done. But like
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 3: he is, he's like wax on wax off. Like you know,
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 3: most times you want those stiff hands, like inside hands.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: This guy's like doing all sorts of like mister Miagi
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: stuff and it somehow gets the job done.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: It's it's fun to watch, like.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: It's it's a little different, like when you're going through
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: all these tackles. Then you get to him and you're like, oh,
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: this is cool.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: This is a little fun. Thirty three and Charms. Don't
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: forget it all right?
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: Uh day three, Big deal and fairchild guy from Georgia.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: A pure left guard right He played left guard at
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 3: Georgia and he's gonna play left guard in the NFL.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: You were high upside high school wrestler, like all world
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: high school wrestler, and you can see that. You know,
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: he knows how to grapple, he knows how to leverage,
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: he knows how to win with body positioning, can get
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: underneath guys. Very versatile blocker, just in terms of all
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 3: the different things you can ask him to do. He
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: can zone block, he can gap block, he can double team,
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: he can pull, he can get up to the second level.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 3: He's really versatile in that way. Even though he's not
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 3: positional flex necessarily, he's versatile within the scheme, which I
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: think is really important. High level mover, high level pass protector.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 3: He's gonna he he just screams, Josh McDaniel's guard to me, like,
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: I just feel like that when they look at left
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 3: guard specifically, like Touney's obviously like the pinnacle of what
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 3: they want in the left guard. But I think that
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: fair Child's kind of in that same mold and I
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: like him a lot. And then obviously, you know you
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: got to mention Drew Kendall. You know you gotta talk.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot of good Day three centers Drew Kendall.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: Jake Majors is a very Josh McDaniels sort of center,
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: very cerebral player. Eth McLoughlin would be really interesting coming
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: off that injury. The guy all mention those center guard
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: is Clay Webb from Jacksonville State. So he was a
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: five star recruit. I believe he's like a high rank recruit.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: Went to Georgia for a couple of years, wasn't playing
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: it as a center. He was a recruited highly as
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: a center, transferred to Jacksonville State, moved to guard, played
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: it well, went to the Senior Bowl, played it well.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: A lot of people think he's going to move back
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: to center in the NFL. I'm certainly not ruling that out.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: I just wouldn't sleep on him as a guard either.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: Little undersize, but kind of fits more for that McDaniels thing.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: And he's projected to go late, so that could be
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: kind of like we talked about Denzil Burke, another one
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: of these guys that all right now, I think he
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: played at a higher level than Burke. He's just at
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: a less valuable position. That's why he's lower. But it's like,
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: all right, he was highly tauted out of high school.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: Why didn't work out in college? And is it something
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: we can work around and get him back to being
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: the player he was projected to be? Fair enough? All right?
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 3: So that's my guys. There's a lot of them in there,
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 3: but I think you know, those are the guys, uh,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 3: you know, on offense, and next week we'll do defense.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 3: Let's wrap up the show, get back to the phones,
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 3: and then we have a ton of emails. I'll try
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 3: to go through those as fast as we can as well.
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: But Aldrid, our good friend is in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred?
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 4: Hey, how y'all doing?
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: Hey?
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 7: Hey, I'm about the receivers. I'm glad y'all talked about
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 7: my guy do a Doordan, yep, and ever and you're right,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 7: you got those three routes, but he beats man Fress
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 7: only we can do the stay field over the top.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 7: But my question is we ain't never developed receive it
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 7: no matter what coaching cre we have. Do you think
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 7: they can develop one this year?
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, I believe it's kind of one of those
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: things where like I got to see it, right, Yeah,
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: I gotta see it. You know, Todd Downing's background is
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: and quarterbacks, and he kind of talked about this last
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: week that like he'll have them ready and knowing the
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: playbook and all of that, But when it comes to
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: the footwork and the technique, that's where where we're gonna
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: see what they can do with some of these guys.
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: That's right. I think you hope maybe Stephan Diggs helps
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: out a little bit. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 7: And the other thing is they're hosting that that that
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 7: cornerback I talked about last time. He supposed to be coming
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 7: to New England like I think today or tomorrow. I
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 7: got his name, but he's six to two run at
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 7: four to three forty and I think he objected to
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 7: go in the third or the fourth round. And I
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 7: think he's meeting with us today, Ali from I got
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 7: I think it's I think his last name is Thornton too.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 4: But he's but that girl Ali from Chatsport.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 7: She was mentioned missioned yesterday that people have been meeting
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 7: today with the Patriot.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 4: He got a thirty visits.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 7: But he's go later in the round though. But there
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 7: you go, Corey Thorton, Okay.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 4: You go.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 7: I couldn't think of this guy. I couldn't think of
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 7: his name.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 4: But uh uh, his background coach, he's the one that
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 4: did Chambers Ward and with Chikov and he got good.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 7: Corners and a good corner coach. But him and I
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 7: hope we don't sleep on but he's out.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 4: And how did you? Thank you?
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 3: Thanks Elder, thanks for the call as always. And yeah, Eldred,
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 3: uh you know Alex was was first to Kyle Williams.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 3: Elder was first to Dante Thorton. He's been on Dante
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 3: Thornton for a while, so props Eldred. You nailed that one.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 3: Well we'll see if he's a good football player in
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 3: the NFL. But you nailed the draft stock going up?
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: Who's did you do? You know? Anythink? I don't know,
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: it's not about Corey Thorton.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Uh, Alex is in DC. What's up Alex?
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 8: Hey guys, thanks for taking the call.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: No problem.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 8: So, yesterday Batards set on his podcast citing a scouting
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 8: report by Bob McGinn of The Athletic that of Duel
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 8: Carter has some character concerns that he's a bit of
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 8: an a whole high maintenance, isn't a hard worker. Have
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 8: you heard anything about this? Do you have any concerns
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 8: around Carter? And do you give any weight to what
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 8: mcginnon says since he's the same guy that said barmore
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 8: head character concern.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: Thanks for the call, Alex.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we actually talked about this exact thing at the
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 3: top of the show, So I don't want to go
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 3: too long on it, but you can go back and
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 3: listen to some of that. You know, we we talked
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 3: to in depth about it. You know, I don't have
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 3: much more.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: To add to that, so now I just say go
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: back to the top of the show.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, all right, let's get into some of these emails.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 3: We have a ton of them. I am a little
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 3: disappointed in the listeners though, and I'll get to that.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 3: And here in a second, stopping me to the listener. No, no,
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 3: I'm not being mean to them. I'm just a little
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 3: disappointed that there's no emails about our are I'll get
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: to it in a second, but just a couple of questions.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 3: It's sort of about the tackles. And I think one
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 3: of the things that's going around right now is just
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 3: like how confident are we that you know, a Connerly
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 3: or an nursery or even a Simmons is going to
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 3: be there for them at thirty eight? And you know,
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: is there a risk there? And I think the answer
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 3: is there's always a risk that just like last year,
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 3: they're not able to orchestrate a trade out, they missed
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 3: the run, and they missed the run.
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's and I think we're going to see a
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: similar run this year because there's still that shortage of
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: tackles and that shortage alignment. No I'm not caught. Maybe
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: one of them gets there. You're certainly not gonna have
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: your choice. Maybe one of them gets there. And honestly,
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: if Simmons is the one that falls, and they'll know
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: what internally like externally, I worry that the medicals aren't good. Yeah,
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: if Simmons is the only one that falls. I look
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: at that and say, his knees is not in great shape. Yeah,
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: So I'm not confident that they're gonna get one of
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: those guys at thirty eight. If it's not Campbell or
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: Membu or Banks at the top of the draft. They
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: have to be moving up. They have to be moving up. Yeah.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: And look, I like we say all the time with trades,
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 3: and I've been kind of pounding the table about how
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: hard it might be to trade back in this draft
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: before trade it takes two to trade tango with the trade,
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 3: but I think it's worse a team to trade out
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 3: with you, Right, I should.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: Be able to trade up because every everybody wants to
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: trade down. This is what we're talking about. A Ford.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: Nobody wants to trade up. Everybody wants to trade down.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: If you're trying to trade up, you should be in
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: good shape. Uh.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 3: This is a good question from Ashton in Canada. He
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 3: writes in about Jaden Higgins and Ted McMillan. This is
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 3: something that we've talked to a little bit that like
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 3: Ted McMillan is kind of Day one and Jayden Higgins
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 3: is sort of the early Day two X in this draft.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 3: And he was just asking, you know, if we felt
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 3: like there's a chance that Jaden Higgins is a better
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: pro than Ted McMillan, and like, kind of whatever, the
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 3: you know, who is better at what in certain areas.
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing to me that maybe separates
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 3: McMillan a little bit is the yards after the catch.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I don't necessarily.
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 3: See that speed or that ability and that fluidity after
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 3: the catch that McMillan has out of Higgins, and I
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 3: think that that might elevate his ceiling. But in terms
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 3: of what they do in their routes, in the way
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 3: that they play, in the way that they win, the
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 3: fact that both of them are probably going to have
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 3: to play a little bit in the slot to get
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 3: some vertical stretch out of them, I think they play
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 3: very similarly. I think they're kind of comparable in a
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 3: lot of ways. I just would give Tet the edge
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 3: just because of the yards after the catch ability.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: I think his ball skills are also a little bit better.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're both good in that regard, but that's
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: why Yet's projector goes high as he has got unbelievable balls.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah that's fair, all right, you want to play a
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 3: quick would you rather game?
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: Oh boy, here we go. Yeah one.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 3: Have the Patriots trade back the fourth page to trade
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 3: back up in the or trade back up in the
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 3: first round. So would you rather trade back from four
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: or trade up from thirty eight?
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 1: Up from thirty eight?
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you. I'm up from thirty eight as well.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: Have Giodd Campbell or Walter Nolan fall to thirty eight?
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: Oh? John Campbell, Yeah that's not even close.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Walter noan.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: I like Walter Nolan, but like John Campbell in Rabel's defense,
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: would be unbelievable.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 3: They have, they have the three technique, they have Milton Williams.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's part. I don't think they need another.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: I feel like that was disrespectful to Walter Nolan the
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: way I reacted, But like, I like Walter Nolan, but
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: like John Campbell is so freaking good.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: I didn't spend a ton of time on Walter Nolan
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 3: just because of where he's gonna go and and the
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 3: fact that the Patriots Simon.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: Milton will see him plenty when he's in Buffalo.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: I thought he was a little streaky, like it's a
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 3: little hot and cold on the tape, for me personally.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 3: You know, there's moments where you're like, wow, like there
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 3: it is, and but then there's like stretches of games
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: where he kind of just was there like and just
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 3: kind of running into the line of scrimmage.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: You want my defensive tackle take, Yeah, Kenneth Grant's the
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: second best defensive tackle in the draft. And I think
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: Kenneth Grant projected first round pick. I still think people
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: are sleeping on him.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 3: Good athlete, yeah, Jalen Walker Mason Graham at four.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: I'm going jail Walker Walker.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Jalen Walker, more versatile, better.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: Player, fits a need better Yeah, Jalen Walker.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 3: Have Gray's Abel or Marian Hampton fall to thirty eight?
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: Ooh, that's a good one. Hmmm.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 3: I'm going Hampton.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm siding with the quarterback on this one. You
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: can get a guard later on. I'm going Hampton.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 3: It's a little bit more value even at running back.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going Hampton. That's a close one though, Yeah,
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: I could be. I could be. There's an argument for Zabel.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: That's a good question.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: Okay, so this is this is more open ended, but
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 3: what player with the first round grade are you predicting
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: the fall what player with.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: The first round gride? I gotta like pull up the
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: list real quick. Hang on, I don't know if I
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: thought of something similar. Say what you're gonna say that
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: I thought of something similar.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know if everybody's gonna call I technically feel
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 3: that he's a first round grade kind of guy. But
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 3: Luther Burden falling out of the first round, Luther Bird.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: Would be one very likely. Mike Green would be another. Yeah,
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: So what I was thinking is kind of I'll say
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: I had Mike Green at like twenty eight. I think
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: my last mock, so I'll say Mason Graham's are going
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: to go in the first but every mock right now
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: has him like six is his floor. I think you
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: get down like nine or ten. Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: Here's what I was gonna say. I was thinking about
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: this week. I was gonna write something about it later on,
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: but I'll test it here. What is this year's Michael
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: Pennock's pick? And what I mean by that is what
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: is the pick that nobody is talking about that happens
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: in the first round. That's a good one. I'd have
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: to think about that.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, I had to trade on Henderson thing earlier,
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 3: Like I feel like that could happen. Yeah, but I
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 3: don't know if that's like quite on Michael Pennock's level.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: It's more r nabs, right, but just completely out of nowhere.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 3: I think Milroe in the first round would be kind
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 3: of a stunner. Now he's invited to the draft, so
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 3: obviously there's there's some ruzz that he might go in
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 3: the first round, but that, to me, I think would
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 3: be a little bit of a stunner, like where he
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 3: was at the end of the college football season, Like
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 3: he's made that much ground up, you know, in the
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 3: pre draft process, and now all of a sudden he
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 3: goes in the first round.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: I'd be pretty stunned about that. Yeah, So I was
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: gonna say, like Millroe going like top twenty, Yeah, and
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: maybe it's a trade up. But yeah, the other oh,
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: the other one I had it. I put this in
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: my last mock. I don't think I'm alone in this.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: I've seen a couple other people do it, but like
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: Matthew Golden of the Steelers. Yeah, so he plays the
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 1: inside with Pickens and Metcalf on the outside, and then
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: Pickens on expiring contract, like it and this is this
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: was this takes under the assumption that they finally signed Rogers,
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 1: but like it's a lot of wide receiver in one offseason.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 3: But all right, speaking of receivers, then I have my
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 3: little thing I want to get you here at the end.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 3: Will Wrights in and mentions that there just haven't been
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 3: a ton of buzz about Patriots thirty visits with wide
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 3: receivers specifically, I think Jalen Noel.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: Or Noel Yeah, I got that.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 3: I think he's maybe been reported now that he's.
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: Come in and posted himself in the bill.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 3: Right, all right, but we haven't. We haven't seen you know,
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 3: Golden Murden, McMillan and Will just ask like, do they
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 3: always draft based off the thirty visits?
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: No, definitely not pretty rare. Ac Yeah, I think all
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 1: visits thirty combined Senior Bowl? Was it last year they
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: like for their picks? Yeah, before that, I think it
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: was two.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 3: It's very it's a it's a low percentage. There's a
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 3: lot of intel information gathering that goes on at these
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 3: types of things that isn't anything beyond just doing your
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 3: due diligence on players. I'd also mentioned with the thirty visits. Uh,
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 3: you're just getting what's leaked, so you don't know. We
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 3: don't know all thirty guys.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 1: Ta Thornton was one we didn't known till after the
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: draft we met with them.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 3: I remember also, you know, Christian Gonzales, like they sent
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 3: at the time Drawd Mayo out to like personally spend
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 3: like a weekend with Christian Gonzales in Oregon, uh, before
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 3: the draft, and nobody knew about it, you know, and
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 3: nobody knew about it till afterwards. So I would just
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 3: caution that, you know, don't overreact to the thirty visits. Yeah,
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 3: all right, last thing here, you and I got got
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 3: put on blast a little bit on social Like we
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 3: got put on blast a little bit. I think it's
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 3: I think, yeah, I think we should do it. We
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 3: got put on blast a little bit because we Uh,
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 3: it was a class A felony that you and I
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 3: said that we would not take a trade down with
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 3: the Saints going from four for nine and forty and
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 3: we both said we wouldn't do it. It doesn't feel like
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 3: enough to me. It still doesn't feel like enough to me.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 3: But my main takeaway with this is one, you know,
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 3: like it kind of caused a little bit of a
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 3: start for no reason over like a take content on
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 3: a podcast like Let's calm down. Second of all, if
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 3: the Saints are gonna trade up with the Patriots just
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 3: becoming a popular take.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: Which is banks on the idea that they want Sanders.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which banked on the idea that they want Sanders,
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 3: then that means that the fourth overall pick is going
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 3: to be Shador Sanders. So you are now selling the
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 3: fourth overall pick for a quarterback, which in my opinion
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 3: changes the value of the trade.
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: Yes, right, not your opinion, that's generally how it's done. Yeah.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 3: So if it's Shador Sanders going at four, and that's
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 3: who's gonna go at four, that means if the Raiders
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 3: want you door Sanders, if the Saints want you door Sanders, Steelers,
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 3: if the Steelers want you door Sanders, if any of
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 3: these teams wants you to door Sanders, then they need
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 3: to get up to pick four to get Shador Sanders,
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 3: which just inherently will increase the mark.
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 1: As a quarterback tacks.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 3: It's a quarterback tax. And so when I heard that
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 3: trade proposal, it didn't feel like enough, and I still
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 3: don't feel like it feels like enough. I want to
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 3: trade down if you can. If Harder and Hunter aren't there,
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 3: I would trade down, But I'm not trading down just
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 3: to trade down.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: It's gotta be worth while.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: It's gotta be worthwhile, And just the last thing I'll
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 3: say on it, I would be pretty disappointed if the
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 3: Patriots came out of this draft without one of Carter, Hunter,
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 3: Campbell or Membu.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: Like I'll put Jalen Walker in there.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 3: I feel like all four of those guys. To me,
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 3: I want one of those four guys in the first round. Now,
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 3: if you can still get that guy by trading down,
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 3: then I get that there's a ton of value.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not super confident that all four of those guys
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: make it tonight, and I'll put Walker in there. But
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 1: I think for the grading it as a whole, they're
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: all similar. But for the Patriots, specifically Ted McMillan, Mason Graham, Taler,
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: Warre and those guys are a step back. So and
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: I think that's just what it comes down to. Like,
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: and some people put it in the replies to that video,
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 1: like I'm just a little less confident in some of
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: those guys falling, and it doesn't mean I wouldn't do.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: He just have to make it worth the while. Like
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: borish friend of the show put in, like he added
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 1: another trade, and I think Patriots are giving up like
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: a fifth or six or something, but another top one hundred. Okay,
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: if I'm getting three top one hundred picks back, I'm
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: more interested what I would really like to see if
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 1: they were going to make that trade. So we use
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 1: the same basis four for nine and forty. If I'm
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: the Patriots, the first thing I'm asking for on top
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 1: of that is a future top one hundred pick early second.
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: You're not going to get a first, You're just not
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: Can you get a future second. I might even take
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: a future third because the idea is, all right, I'm
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 1: moving down this year, give me the ammunition to move
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 1: back up next year in a better draft. I think
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: I've talked about a little bit on this show. I've
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: talked about it on other shows. The mathematics of the
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 1: future picks and trades in this draft specifically is going
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: to be fascinating. They're going to be worth less or
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: they're going to be worth more in this draft because
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: our team's going to be willing to borrow from future
• 1:59:52
  Speaker 1: better drafts to improve their standing in this one. So
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: and on the flip side, they're more valuable to acquire.
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 1: So if I'm the Patriots, not moving back, I want
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: a future for I want a future pick. I want
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: a future pick. So okay, I'm gonna move back this year.
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: Next year when it's better class, I want more top
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: one hundred ammunition so I can move back up the board.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would just be really careful. This is a
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 3: draft to me with the Patriots, they have to nail
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 3: their first round pick.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: They have any draft, but yeah.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 3: But they but this is a big draft for them.
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 3: It's a big draft, and I have to nail that pick.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 3: I wouldn't get cute with it.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you on that.
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 3: And all of a sudden, when you start trading down,
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying don't trade down if the trade down
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 3: is there, and it's the value is there for the pick,
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 3: but we're not bit don't trade down just to trade down. Yeah,
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 3: because you're gonna put yourself into a position in a
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 3: weaker top of the draft that you might not nail
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 3: the pick.
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 1: If you believe in a guy, take them, if it's like, well,
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 1: you know, I feel more comfortable at nine than four,
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: then you don't really believe in the player, right, And
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: if you don't believe in any of the players truly,
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: which you might not in this draft, and that's Hunter
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: and Carter off the board obviously, then like, yeah, just
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: by defaul, you have to believe in one more than
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 1: the rest. So just that's the guy.
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 3: I just I keep coming back to the same thing
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 3: with them. You have to be careful about the fact
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 3: that this is a you gotta be able to get
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 3: on base with this pick. Yeah, And I just I'm
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 3: not jones in to just give away the pilk and.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: That's it to be fair. In twenty twenty three, they
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 1: knew the board, they knew they can move down three
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: spots and still get Christian Zales, and we gave them
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 1: a ton of praise for that. Yeah, if you know,
• 2:01:30
  Speaker 1: if you read the board, and you know, and this
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: is including teams that might trade up, and like Miami's
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 1: lurking there at thirteen. They're a trade up team for
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: a tackle. They worry me. The Bears are a trade
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: up team for an offensive lineman. Certainly the Colts might
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 1: be too. Like if you know, all right, one of
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 1: these guys is gonna get to nine if you read
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 1: the board like, yeah, go for it. I just don't
• 2:01:50
  Speaker 1: feel super confident that again that group, if Carter Hunter
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: are there, you're not trading, so they're relevant. Yeah, Campbell,
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 1: Membo and Walker. I'll put Walker in a group. I
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: know you didn't. I will. And maybe you're okay ending
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 1: up with Kelvin Banks, I guess, But like you're if
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 1: you're not super confident in those guys falling, you get
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 1: nervous about a trade like that.
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, all right. So that does it for today.
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• 2:02:22
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• 2:02:24
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