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Undertaker to Undercover: Joe Vanella’s Strategic Debut on The Traitors · On Deathcare

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  SPEAKER_00: Hi, I am Tony Russo from On Deathcare,
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  SPEAKER_00: and this is a special bonus episode where we're covering the show Traitors,
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  SPEAKER_00: The New Blood.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're doing that because there's a funeral director on it,
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  SPEAKER_00: and we're going to get into that in just a second.
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  SPEAKER_00: I had put out a call to see if anybody was going to watch the show or would watch
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  SPEAKER_00: the show and report on it for us,
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  SPEAKER_00: and I got a big yes,
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  SPEAKER_00: please, by Spencer Haake, who is the co-founder and CEO at Vault Funeral Technology.
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  SPEAKER_00: And...
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  SPEAKER_00: They are the sponsors of this show because he's working just like me
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  SPEAKER_00: and everyone deserves credit for the work they do.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the following is sponsored by Vault Funeral Technology.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's get into it.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're going to do this every week until we can't do it anymore.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is the inaugural Joe Vanilla Stalker podcast, I guess we can call it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I put out a call on the newsletter a couple of days ago for people,
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  SPEAKER_00: if anybody was watching Trader's The New Blood,
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  SPEAKER_00: which is going to feature,
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  SPEAKER_00: which is does feature a funeral director whose name is Joe Vanella.
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  SPEAKER_00: I said, I don't watch reality television.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not really my bag.
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  SPEAKER_00: If anyone does.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then Spencer just reached right out.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's like, oh, yeah, I was going to watch it anyway.
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  SPEAKER_00: I may as well tell everyone about it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so he has kindly volunteered to take one for the team and
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  SPEAKER_00: to tell us what's going on on the show.
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  SPEAKER_00: So take it away.
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  SPEAKER_00: Tell me about what's the premise of the show and how does it work?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this is great.
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  SPEAKER_01: I get to call my like TV binging work now, which is more fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the premise of the show is that there's 22 individuals and a little bit of background.
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  SPEAKER_01: The first season was split, half normal people, half celebrities.
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  SPEAKER_01: Then they went a span of multiple seasons where it was only celebrities.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is the first season back where it's all going to be regular people across
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  SPEAKER_01: the United States.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so the general premise is there's 22 people,
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  SPEAKER_01: they're in a castle in Scotland, And they are broken up into two groups.
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  SPEAKER_01: There is three traitors among them, and then 19 faithfuls.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the general premise is that the three traders every night get to come together
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  SPEAKER_01: and choose one faithful to murder.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then during the day, they conduct challenges to earn money for a pot to win at the end.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then during the day,
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  SPEAKER_01: they also do a vote where the faithful try to vote out a trader and figure out
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  SPEAKER_01: who they are while the traders try to distract and manipulate to get the odds off
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  SPEAKER_01: of them.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's the general premise.
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  SPEAKER_00: Very cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: So to confirm, so the traitors all know who one another are.
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  SPEAKER_00: We just don't.
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  SPEAKER_00: Or do we also know?
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  SPEAKER_01: We also know.
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  SPEAKER_00: People in the castle do not.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we're sitting there from like a third party view watching.
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  SPEAKER_01: We know that the traitors are.
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  SPEAKER_01: We know who the faithful are.
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  SPEAKER_01: We know who's lying about what.
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  SPEAKER_01: But the people in there do not know.
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  SPEAKER_00: That is fascinating.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to lie.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I guess first question is, tell us about Joe Vanella.
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  SPEAKER_00: What did you see?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is he a traitor?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is he not a traitor?
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  SPEAKER_01: That's a great question.
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  SPEAKER_01: So going into it, I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: a little bit of background on Joe,
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  SPEAKER_01: he's a funeral director from up in New York, which is my home area here.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so that immediately drew me to him,
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  SPEAKER_01: but he is so He helped proclaim loud spoken and he claimed to be the loudest one in
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  SPEAKER_01: the room.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he started off that way.
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  SPEAKER_01: He started off talking a lot,
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  SPEAKER_01: which I think is good because if he didn't do that and then started doing it,
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  SPEAKER_01: it would have really cast a lot of suspicion on him.
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  SPEAKER_01: But because he started that way and that's who he is,
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  SPEAKER_01: it actually I think will play out well for him.
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  SPEAKER_01: But the way the show starts is they all sit around a circle table,
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  SPEAKER_01: 22 people,
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  SPEAKER_01: and Alan Cummings,
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  SPEAKER_01: who is the host of the show,
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  SPEAKER_01: blindfolds them all and he walks around the table and taps the two people on
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  SPEAKER_01: the shoulder who will be selected as the traders.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then this season for the first time,
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  SPEAKER_01: those two people got to select who was going to be the third trader.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And our man Joe was selected as a trader.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was really hoping for that.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's fantastic.
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  SPEAKER_01: He claimed that he,
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  SPEAKER_01: in his pre-show interview,
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  SPEAKER_01: he said,
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  SPEAKER_01: I will be a fantastic trader because I'm used
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  SPEAKER_01: to having these high pressure conversations and being able to manage emotions
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  SPEAKER_01: and work well through them.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think that sets himself up to be a perpetrator.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I think the, you know, production of the show thought that as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he turned out to be selected.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so far, he's doing a great job.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, I want to say that, like, I'm going to use Columbo language.
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  SPEAKER_00: If this was Columbo,
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  SPEAKER_00: it would be obviously not him because he's too obvious to really be the killer,
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  SPEAKER_00: right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, exactly.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, you can pick a funeral director to be the killer, but...
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  SPEAKER_01: At the same time,
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  SPEAKER_01: he demonstrates some of the qualities that make it really easy for him to mask
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  SPEAKER_01: that he is the killer because funeral directors are so compassionate
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  SPEAKER_01: and understanding and they sit back when they need to and then they come in
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  SPEAKER_01: and they take control when they need to and they do all the right things at
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  SPEAKER_01: the right time.
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  SPEAKER_01: They aired two episodes last night and he's demonstrated those things perfectly
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  SPEAKER_01: so far, so we'll see.
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  SPEAKER_00: Very cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: So what were some of the highlights?
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  SPEAKER_00: I guess he's still on the show so we can continue this.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're going to do this next week, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: He made it.
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  SPEAKER_00: He made the cut.
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  SPEAKER_01: He made the cut.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I will say part of it, part of the reason he made it,
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  SPEAKER_01: it was actually, you know, a really good move on his part.
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  SPEAKER_01: They, the first challenge they went out and,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: some of the faithfuls went and immediately rushed to get these shields and
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  SPEAKER_01: the shields protect you from being murdered that night.
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  SPEAKER_01: And obviously as a traitor, he does not need them, but it's a, you know, Mind game, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like if a trader grabs one, then people are like, oh, is he a trader or is he a faithful?
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  SPEAKER_01: And by like sitting back and not doing that,
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  SPEAKER_01: it kind of casts suspicion on the people that went out and got them.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so all of the attention was thrown away from him and his co-trader.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he just kind of coasted right through the first night.
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  SPEAKER_01: So he's looking good going into next week.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what were some of the other highlights?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think for him specifically,
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  SPEAKER_01: one of the best highlights I think for him and for just the profession in general,
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  SPEAKER_01: which I think was cool is like,
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  SPEAKER_01: At the round table,
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  SPEAKER_01: which is where they do the votes every night, he, um,
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  SPEAKER_01: this one woman,
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  SPEAKER_01: she kind of cast a lot of suspicion on someone to be a traitor
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  SPEAKER_01: and they all voted her out and she turned out not to be one.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and that woman showed a lot of remorse and she felt really bad.
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  SPEAKER_01: She was crying afterwards.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Joe was the first one to go up to her and console her and say, you know, it's okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not your fault.
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  SPEAKER_01: And, um, Even though she was not on his team, so to speak.
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  SPEAKER_00: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: I think it goes to show a lot of his character and just of,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know, the funeral director and him coming out in the show itself.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm sorry.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, again, just me not understanding the show.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the person that got named a traitor is kicked off the show.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when they vote someone off at the round table each day,
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  SPEAKER_01: they say whether they're a trader or not, and then they're off the show.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so the goal is to get to the very end of the show.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when you reach that point,
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  SPEAKER_01: if there's any traders left in the group,
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  SPEAKER_01: they get down to three people, then the trader wins all the money.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if there's no traders left,
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  SPEAKER_01: then the money is split between the three remaining faithful that are there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Along those lines, you said that they have to kill someone.
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  SPEAKER_00: How do they mark someone dead, I guess?
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  SPEAKER_01: How do they say this person has been killed without revealing who they are?
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  SPEAKER_01: So they meet every night under black cloaks.
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  SPEAKER_01: They meet up in a turret and they...
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  SPEAKER_01: They deliberate and they vote between the two of them or three of them on
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  SPEAKER_01: who they think should be killed that night.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then a letter is written and delivered to the person who is going to be killed.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then that person is taken away from the game without anything being said to anybody.
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  SPEAKER_00: Ah, very cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm sorry.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you keep going back between two and three.
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  SPEAKER_00: Did they choose a third one yet or was he the one that was chosen as a third one?
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  SPEAKER_01: That's a great question.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I didn't quite get there yet.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I'm sorry.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, no.
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  SPEAKER_01: I kind of jumped around a little bit because some
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  SPEAKER_01: of your questions have led other places and I wanted to answer them, but...
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so the way they did it this season,
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  SPEAKER_01: which was really unique,
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  SPEAKER_01: is they picked two, and then they let those two choose two apprentices.
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  SPEAKER_01: And those apprentices for 24 hours had to do tasks to prove
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  SPEAKER_01: that they were good enough to be the third trader.
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  SPEAKER_01: And whoever doesn't,
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  SPEAKER_01: I guess,
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  SPEAKER_01: prove themselves by the end of it,
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  SPEAKER_01: one of them gets killed or sent home,
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  SPEAKER_01: and then the other one becomes the third trader.
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  SPEAKER_01: They narrow it down to two, and then they had to duke it out, basically.
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  SPEAKER_00: So are there three yet, or is that something that we're going to wait for for next week?
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  SPEAKER_01: That is something we will wait for for next week.
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  SPEAKER_00: But Joe is selected by the shoulder tap guy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Correct.
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  SPEAKER_00: So he's in for sure.
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  SPEAKER_01: He's confirmed.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's like leader of the pack.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's so cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was like, what are the odds?
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  SPEAKER_01: Because I was sitting there watching,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I was like,
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  SPEAKER_01: This could either be a really boring segment for us to do if he doesn't get picked
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  SPEAKER_01: and he just ends up sitting back and being really quiet and we don't have that much
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  SPEAKER_01: to talk about here.
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  SPEAKER_01: But then he got selected and he's really boisterous and it just ended up being,
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  SPEAKER_01: I think, a great combination of things to come together.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's fantastic.
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  SPEAKER_00: So what else do we need to know?
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  SPEAKER_01: I think going into next week,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  SPEAKER_01: things to look out for is like,
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  SPEAKER_01: will Joe,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know, over, you know, I said before, he says he's loud and likes to talk a lot.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I think he's constantly on that edge of like saying too much over speaking.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what will he cross a boundary where people start to think suspicions on him?
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  SPEAKER_01: So I think he's got to watch out for that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then I think finding out who that third trader is going to be will be really interesting.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then just seeing how the other dynamics with the other players play out.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because I think it's a lot of like,
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  SPEAKER_01: it's kind of like a survivor or a big brother or one of those
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  SPEAKER_01: where you're constantly looking at the interpersonal dynamics and how they interact,
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  SPEAKER_01: which I think fits really well to Joe's character and his ability to morph,
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  SPEAKER_01: but go any direction at any point in time.
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  SPEAKER_00: And now do they have those confessionals where they sit in one-on-one like that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is that part of this show or is this just film like a documentary?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they do have like little pop-outs at times, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Did we find out anything extra or interesting about Joe during his pop-ups?
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  SPEAKER_01: Not yet.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nothing yet.
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  SPEAKER_01: They kind of talked a little bit about just the fact that he was a funeral director
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  SPEAKER_01: from the Northeast,
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  SPEAKER_01: a little bit about where his family had funeral homes,
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  SPEAKER_01: and then kind of some of his comments about being loud and wanting to be a traitor
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  SPEAKER_01: and what he thought he brought to the table,
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  SPEAKER_01: which are some of the comments I already mentioned.
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  SPEAKER_00: Very cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I think that's about it for week one.
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  SPEAKER_00: Very cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, week one, episodes one and two are in the canon.
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  SPEAKER_00: We will see you next week.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're recording this on Friday night, and I'm going to edit it and put it right out.
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  SPEAKER_00: So this will come out on Friday nights as soon as I'm done with it.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you don't want to stay up too late, you can just count on seeing it on Saturday mornings.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we'll keep going as long as Joe does.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was going to say, it really depends.
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  SPEAKER_01: He could be out next week or he could be out in like six weeks.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Very cool.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, thank you, Spencer.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no problem.