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RHOC: A Shady Song with Alexis Bellino · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
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  Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
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  Speaker 1: scripted as well.
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  Speaker 2: Hey Brain Drugs. Of today's episode Reality with.
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  Speaker 1: The King, we are recapping another doozy episode of The
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  Speaker 1: Real house Wasser words, Telty and my girl is back
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  Speaker 1: to deal with me. The beautiful blonde bombshell Alexis Leena.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm pretty blonde now I've been a little blonder.
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  Speaker 2: You great, good.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks you did the wedding.
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  Speaker 4: The wedding procedures have paid off, Carlos. All the all
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  Speaker 4: the needles, all the all the bruising, all the swelling,
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  Speaker 4: it's now better.
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  Speaker 3: You know. I didn't plump anything, I didn't put anything
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  Speaker 3: in like uh fillers.
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  Speaker 4: But I have botox and micro needle beyond capacity. And
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  Speaker 4: thank you to all my doctors.
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  Speaker 2: Well girl, send them to me.
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  Speaker 1: Honey as the refro because whatever you got a will
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  Speaker 1: all the bit you look amazing.
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  Speaker 2: You really didn't really hear.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so girl, we have to get to this episode,
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  Speaker 1: so let's just get right into it.
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  Speaker 2: The knee. So the episode began with the continuation the
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  Speaker 2: ladies having dinner. In this dinner, you know, the cliffhanger
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  Speaker 2: last week was Tamera telling Shannon, well, look, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: the only one who concerned about you. Gina is. So
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  Speaker 2: now we get Gina's response to that particular.
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  Speaker 1: Moment, and look, Gina's like, I was can serve, But look, Tamra, Mike,
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  Speaker 1: conserve for Shannis started when you took her out to
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  Speaker 1: have a drink after YouTube. You know, we're making up
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  Speaker 1: and all of those things, and that's not something good
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  Speaker 1: to do.
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  Speaker 2: Tamra's like, look, I damned if I do. I damned.
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  Speaker 1: The by do drinking is Shanna's love language. That's what
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  Speaker 1: she wanted to do. I didn't think it's a bad idea.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone sort of slip on this, but alexis, what do
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  Speaker 1: you think about that? Is Tamara the wrong for taking
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  Speaker 1: Shannon outward drinking knowing that she may she may allegedly,
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  Speaker 1: you know, have a issue with alcohol.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you know, I'm opinionated, but this one I am
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  Speaker 4: with the audience.
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  Speaker 3: I am.
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  Speaker 4: I am torn because here's the reason why Tamar's doing
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  Speaker 4: everything she can to just let she Hada know, like.
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  Speaker 3: Look, we I mean, I get it.
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  Speaker 4: We both have fed up, We've both been not great
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  Speaker 4: friends at certain times, but we have a job to do.
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  Speaker 3: So I kind of feel that side from Tamra.
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  Speaker 4: But then again, I see Gina side where it's like,
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  Speaker 4: could you have made up a secret handshake or something like,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know, there could have been something
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  Speaker 4: else or let's go get a coffee, probably with a
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  Speaker 4: shot of Baileyes in it.
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  Speaker 3: But anyway, I don't know. I'm torn too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Now listen, I'm torn as well because the thing is
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  Speaker 1: bits if someone really does have a relationship with alcohol,
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  Speaker 1: the last thing you do is sort of introduce to them.
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  Speaker 2: They're not not introduced, but reintroduced to them.
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  Speaker 1: The problem from what I gathered from the season, if
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  Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, Alexus correct me if I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Wrong, Shannon never said she.
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  Speaker 1: Gave up alcohol, and I think that's the difference that
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  Speaker 1: exactly is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I am.
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  Speaker 1: Signing more on the Tamra side of things only because
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  Speaker 1: if Shanna said emphatically, luck, I don't want to drink anymore.
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  Speaker 1: I've been going to a a I have a sponsor
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  Speaker 1: that Tamara is a bath riad. Shannon clearly drinks around
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  Speaker 1: them where they're at these restaurants, when they're when they're
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  Speaker 1: you know, hanging out. So if Tamra's like, look, you're
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  Speaker 1: you're you're drinking, why didn't it have a drink in solidarity?
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  Speaker 3: Exactly? She never Shannon never said I'm I don't I'm sober.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not drinking anymore, because you know, sure as well,
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  Speaker 4: none of those housewives are gonna take Shannon to go
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  Speaker 4: get a shot if she says she's sober.
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  Speaker 3: You know. So that is a very good point, very
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  Speaker 3: good point.
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  Speaker 4: But I do still see Gina's side only because it's like, look,
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  Speaker 4: you can't preach all last season and all this time
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  Speaker 4: that you think she has a drinking problem and then go, hey, buddy,
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  Speaker 4: let's go big cocktail, you know, like, But and then again,
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  Speaker 4: I just I see Tamra's side too. I'm definitely torn it.
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  Speaker 4: But I don't think Tamra just because of what you said.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think it's completely off limits. When Shannon's sitting
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  Speaker 4: there drink, making every single meal, every single morning when
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  Speaker 4: they have she have pain, so she hasn't stopped.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, she had lifted. I watched the show Shannon.
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  Speaker 1: It said that her DUI and these are her words.
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  Speaker 1: Now I'm paraphrasing, of course, but she said like, look,
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  Speaker 1: it was an isolated incident and that she doesn't have
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  Speaker 1: a drinking problem.
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  Speaker 2: Now. The person who also had.
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  Speaker 1: A DUI on this cast is Gina, and Gina doesn't
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  Speaker 1: drink anymore. And I think that's the reason why, in
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  Speaker 1: Gena's defense, she's way more sensitive to.
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  Speaker 2: The idea of what she's recognizing.
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  Speaker 1: And I think I think what Gina should more articulate
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  Speaker 1: is the fact that look, as a person who had
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  Speaker 1: a bad relationship with alcohol, who had to give up alcohol,
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  Speaker 1: maybe there are sides that I'm seeing in Shannon than
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  Speaker 1: I saw myself. That's why I'm way more sensitive to
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  Speaker 1: it than any of these women.
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  Speaker 3: Very true, Very true.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And I respect and commend Gina for you know,
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  Speaker 4: she didn't quit.
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  Speaker 3: She didn't quit right after the DUI.
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  Speaker 4: I think it was like a whole other year or
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  Speaker 4: something that went by that she drank, but she originally
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  Speaker 4: like she she realized and recognized, Okay, I'm going to stop,
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  Speaker 4: and she did. And I loved her comment when she's like,
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  Speaker 4: that's what you call California sober, Like she still, you know,
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  Speaker 4: smokes a joint.
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  Speaker 3: It's so true.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah no.
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  Speaker 1: But that's why I appreciate Gina obviously being concerned because
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  Speaker 1: of what she's been through.
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  Speaker 2: And look, I think it tough to Shannon. I will
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  Speaker 2: say this.
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  Speaker 1: I think Shannon has to figure out for herself whether
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  Speaker 1: or not she feels like she has luck.
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  Speaker 2: As of now, it doesn't seem like she does, and
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  Speaker 2: that's a paromative. But I don't think you should attack Tamera.
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  Speaker 1: For letting her have a drink if that's what she's
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  Speaker 1: been doing on camera off camera anyway. So exactly, I'm
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  Speaker 1: from the old Tamera's side when she said, I'm damn
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  Speaker 1: with by do, I'm damned by doubt. And we'll get
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  Speaker 1: into the rest of the episode, but before we get
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  Speaker 1: to all of that, we have to talk about the
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  Speaker 1: person at whose job Nowaday seems to be exposing any
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  Speaker 1: and everything Tamra has done, and that is your favorite
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  Speaker 1: person has Slade.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, but you know what, I knew you were probably
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  Speaker 4: gonna go here.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, how can you not after that episode?
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  Speaker 4: But Carlos, like I said it, last episode that we did,
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  Speaker 4: the last podcast we did together, he just needs to
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  Speaker 4: get a job.
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  Speaker 3: It's like he wants to be the next housewife.
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  Speaker 4: He's gonna be sallacious and bring up stupid stuff. I
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  Speaker 4: think him and Gretchen jumped on the tear down the
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  Speaker 4: Tamra train like they're on that train, tear down Tamra
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  Speaker 4: train exit B, like that's where they're at.
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  Speaker 3: And so I don't know. It's the whole thing is frustrating.
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  Speaker 4: And it's like, you notice how Tamar didn't bring them
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  Speaker 4: up one time on her trip or at all the
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  Speaker 4: season so far, And that's all Gretchen and Slade can
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  Speaker 4: talk about. Well, Slay, who shouldn't even be a part
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  Speaker 4: of it, but you know Gretchen can talk about so
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  Speaker 4: I don't.
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  Speaker 3: It's just I don't like it. I don't like it.
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  Speaker 2: I gotta be honest with she was Cavia Brooks, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: So to update the audience, the girls on the trip,
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  Speaker 1: we have Emily, Heather and Gretchen is hanging out was
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  Speaker 1: fult of like this slumber party and itaily brings up like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I've heard you have a song.
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  Speaker 2: That Tamra saying and a recording studio.
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  Speaker 3: Emily didn't bring it up. No, Gretchen's the one that
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  Speaker 3: brought up.
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  Speaker 4: Gretchen goes, oh, I have four songs, and then she
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  Speaker 4: goes and Tamra house are song and it's Gretchen purposely
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  Speaker 4: brought that up. You could tell she could not wait
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  Speaker 4: to get that brought up. So and then Emily was
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  Speaker 4: just like, well, now I'm not gonna let it die now.
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  Speaker 3: I want to hear the song.
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  Speaker 1: So do I.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, so do I? And I don't. I
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  Speaker 3: haven't even heard it yet, So I want to hear
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  Speaker 3: the song.
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  Speaker 2: No, I did too.
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  Speaker 5: I'm like to give you Molly Cyrus and byonce, you know,
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  Speaker 5: most wanted like what.
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  Speaker 3: Was not saying?
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  Speaker 4: She was not trying to like record this was that's
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  Speaker 4: a funny thing between her and her neighbor.
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  Speaker 3: She was not trying to become Beyonce.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, she you know Tamor she makes fun of herself
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  Speaker 4: and takes her top off on television like she's she's
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  Speaker 4: just that girl. And so her and her neighbor were
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  Speaker 4: recording a song and it wasn't to go anywhere.
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  Speaker 3: It was just fun.
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  Speaker 4: And now here it is made into this stupid scandalous
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  Speaker 4: thing that's not there. It's not there. She didn't sleep
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  Speaker 4: with this guy. She's friends with the husband and the wife.
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  Speaker 4: So you can completely reject all that. Okay, just one
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  Speaker 4: more thing that's not true coming out of their minds.
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  Speaker 1: Well, well, let's get into it because the allegation that
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  Speaker 1: Slade has and listen, I gotta be honest as somebody
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  Speaker 1: who enjoyed Gretchen a lot when she was on the
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  Speaker 1: show seventeen years ago, I have to agree with you, Alexis,
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  Speaker 1: and I think in this scene it was the realization
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  Speaker 1: that Gretchen's producer is Slade.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you very much. You said it.
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  Speaker 1: It's girlfriend, that is her, Jimmy Jeame and Terry Liliz
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  Speaker 1: that is her.
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  Speaker 2: That's her manager, it's her producer, it's her slipper.
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  Speaker 1: As you said, it's it is a borderline gross.
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  Speaker 4: But unfortunately, yes, unfortunately he's he's he didn't go to
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  Speaker 4: college to do that.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't.
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  Speaker 4: He doesn't have the he doesn't have the credentials to
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  Speaker 4: be a producer, so he's not it's not landing well,
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  Speaker 4: so she needs to actually hire someone that will do it,
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  Speaker 4: and he needs to go get a job, like I've said.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 4: Well, and then it came out, which we're going to
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  Speaker 4: get to. Speaking of job, it came out that Gretchen
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  Speaker 4: does pay for everything and he is a living off
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  Speaker 4: of her. So it's like, I mean, and their whole
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  Speaker 4: story doesn't make sense.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, but I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I just feel I feel like Gretchen can be so
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  Speaker 4: funny and so fun on her own that she doesn't
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  Speaker 4: need all of this other stuff and to try to
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  Speaker 4: take Tamer down to be the cool girl. Like, I
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  Speaker 4: just think she would have gotten a lot better, you know,
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  Speaker 4: receiving the audience, receiving her better if she just would
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  Speaker 4: have just came on the show.
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  Speaker 3: But look at me, Everyone says that about me.
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  Speaker 4: If I wouldn't have defended John last season, I would
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  Speaker 4: have had a better you know, receiving Here's the thing.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't defend him the whole time. Everything else is
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  Speaker 4: on the chopping room floor. All they aired was me
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  Speaker 4: defending him. So that was just my job last year
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  Speaker 4: was to have that be my persona on the show,
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  Speaker 4: which is fine. However, it is obvious that Gretchen does
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  Speaker 4: want to tear tamer down because Tamor's name doesn't even
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  Speaker 4: come up half the time, and she's the.
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  Speaker 3: One that brings it up. So that's the part that
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  Speaker 3: bothers me.
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  Speaker 1: No, it bothers me too, And it bothers me because look,
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  Speaker 1: when you look at Slade, listen, not an im all
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  Speaker 1: for somebody doing fun Shade, that's the nature of the show.
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  Speaker 1: What's becoming growth to me is the fact that everything
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  Speaker 1: seems to be pre played and pre produced to.
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  Speaker 6: The point where it was pampully obvious they wanted to
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  Speaker 6: get out there that Tambra allegedly he slept with this
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  Speaker 6: person in the studio and that.
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  Speaker 2: They actually have audio of Tamra allegedly having sex, which
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  Speaker 2: to me is disgusting, is gross.
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  Speaker 1: So we go from hospital to alleged roofiness to now
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  Speaker 1: saying that you guys have a sex tape via audio
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  Speaker 1: of this woman and how apparently Slayed heard it.
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  Speaker 2: And then you know.
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  Speaker 1: Gretchen is not making sense because Gretchen literally said that
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  Speaker 1: someone sent the audio to Slade. And then when Emily
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  Speaker 1: looks to Gretchen and says, you said you have the audio.
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  Speaker 1: Gretchen says, no, I've heard the audio of Tamra in
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  Speaker 1: the studio trying to sing the song. So look, Gretchen
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  Speaker 1: obviously lied to Emily's faith, and now I'm questioning once again. Look,
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  Speaker 1: Katie has lied and we know that. But now I'm like, Gretchen.
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  Speaker 2: Katie is not lying when it comes to what you said.
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  Speaker 1: Now I'm like, look, I believe every fucking thing Katie
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  Speaker 1: has said about Bretch at this.
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  Speaker 4: First of all, I'm so glad you caught that because
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  Speaker 4: I caught it and I was gonna bring it up
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  Speaker 4: if if it would have remembered it.
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  Speaker 3: But I totally I had that in my mind.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, she just got caught lying again over something stupid.
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  Speaker 4: She could have just said Slade heard it or whatever
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  Speaker 4: said she said, no it got sent to Slade.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, No, the stories didn't line up at all.
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  Speaker 4: And the fact, by the way, Tara and this other
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  Speaker 4: you know, neighbor friend and his wife are ready to sue,
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  Speaker 4: so they better shush it. Like she's done. She's like this, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: they're ready. She's like, this needs to stop. It's the
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  Speaker 4: dumbest rumor I've ever heard it didn't happen, and I'm
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  Speaker 4: friends with them, Like like, how dare them even say?
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  Speaker 3: And then Slade said he heard it or someone heard them.
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  Speaker 4: The song went into that other people were in the studio,
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  Speaker 4: you idiots. It wasn't just him and her in the
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  Speaker 4: studio recording the song.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, I mean it just.
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  Speaker 4: The whole thing is just it gives me that that
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  Speaker 4: icky feeling like ooh you know slimy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well blat slaty slade flat.
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  Speaker 1: The big is this, So you're saying that the person
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  Speaker 1: that they're alleging Tamra have this affair within the studio is.
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  Speaker 7: Actually friends Like yeah, yeah, So the guy is married
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  Speaker 7: and they're both friends with Tamra and they're saying this
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  Speaker 7: never has happened, and they're like ready to sue, which
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  Speaker 7: is interesting because I did hear that you heard it too?
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  Speaker 2: How the names were bleeped out?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And that's exactly why, because it is it is
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  Speaker 4: to the point where first of all, this poor neighbor
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  Speaker 4: guy is getting brought into a TV show that he
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  Speaker 4: wants nothing to do with, and the wife and him
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  Speaker 4: are friends with Tamra and he knows that this is
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  Speaker 4: not possible, not even true at any measure. So it's like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, slander and defamation can be proven or libel.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know which one it would be, but anyways,
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  Speaker 4: it can be proven. As we know, Tama's not a
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  Speaker 4: litigious person because she got sued.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't really appreciate it.
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  Speaker 4: But I mean, I'm speaking for her now, so I
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  Speaker 4: don't know if she really feels that way, but I do.
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  Speaker 4: I think she doesn't want to. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 4: what the heck?
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  Speaker 2: This is reality with the King and I'm Carlos King.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get back into the show. You're saying that.
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  Speaker 1: This couple is tensed that their names are being used
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  Speaker 1: pretty much for a storyline.
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  Speaker 3: For scandalous, salacious stuff that's not true. Yes, they're pissed.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone's pissed. Tamra's pissed too.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, I think if it wouldn't have gone
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  Speaker 4: this far, and it would have been just some little
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  Speaker 4: if you know, tamer would have blown it off because
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  Speaker 4: she does it.
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  Speaker 3: She knows how to do a TV show.
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  Speaker 4: But now it's yeah, it's just it's gross and it's
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  Speaker 4: it's a lie.
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  Speaker 3: So there you have it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so disappointed. And Gretchen. I just don't think she
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  Speaker 2: needed to come in like this. I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, just listen, I'm gonna say, they said you're
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  Speaker 1: my friends, so I'm gonna I'm gonna compare it to
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  Speaker 1: your last season, right, because again there's gonna be people saying, well,
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  Speaker 1: Carlos Alexis came a hot last season, and I'm and
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  Speaker 1: I want us to talk about it right in your defense,
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  Speaker 1: Like you said, obviously a lot of things weren't shown.
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  Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, at the end.
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  Speaker 1: Of the day, you are in real life getting married
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  Speaker 1: to john and obviously his access on the show.
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  Speaker 2: You're a friend, uh, she's a housewife.
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  Speaker 1: The playing level is definitely not in your favor because
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  Speaker 1: you don't get a chance to say everything you need
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: to say to defend yourself.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: And at the end of the day, you to come
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: in with this conspiracy, do you like? I think, yes,
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: go ahead.
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: That's the difference because I tell you something Carlos along
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: those lines.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: So I would be told don't talk about him.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: Like every house I'd be like, stop talking about Johnson,
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: And I was like, Okay, I don't need.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: To talk about him. He's not I have a lot
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: going on in my life. He is not my everything.
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, he is my everything, and I am marrying
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: him in a few days, but he's not like I
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: have a lot going on. He didn't need to be
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: my storyline.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: So I would ovoue by that.
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: And I wouldn't even even if we had a great
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: night out the night before and I had story about
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: him or something, I would not talk about it.
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: Okay, just don't bring up John.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: But every freaking scene one of the housewives would bring
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: him up and say something to me about it. So,
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: by the way, as you can tell, I'm a passionate,
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: opinionated human being. And if you bring up my husband,
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: who I knew I was gonna marry at the time,
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: even back then, if you bring up my husband, I'm
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: going to eat you alive. Like, don't bring up his name,
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: and I will go get the proof. I will get
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: the truth.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: And it will be told.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: So that's what happened, And it was really unfair because
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: I felt like I was damned if I do and
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: damned if I don't.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: Just like Tamara, it was like if I didn't.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: Bring him up, someone else would, and then they'd accuse
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: him of something. That's not true, then they'd have pity
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: on Shannon when she calls the mess herself.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: It's all of her mess. So I was just I
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: was literally in a tornado.
• 17:55
  Speaker 4: But you're right, Gretchen's is not that she doesn't have
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: to bring Tamar's name and none of it needs to
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: be told.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: But I think when Gretchen.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: Came on, she's like, who now I can take her down,
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: you know, and it's backfiring, you know, because Tamra was disliked.
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: Last season just as much as me, because she is
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: my friend and she went down with me.
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: Okay, she came down sunk the lexus because Tamra's my buddy.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: So that's a true friend, by the way, right there,
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: that's someone who is a writer die friend, which even
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: though like she kind of screwed me a little bit
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: on that last scene of season eighteen, doesn't matter.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: The truth is she's my writer die friend. Okay.
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: So the problem is I think Gretchen was piggybacking on
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: that and thinking, oh good now the audience hates her,
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: I'm just going to take her down now, and it's
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: not working because first of all, what you have aren't facts.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: What you have are.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: Falsehoods by a false producer telling you what to do.
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: So get the facts before you bring stuff like that
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: to a TV show.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: It is people's lives, no listen, I Tod not agree more.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: And that's why I believe that Gretchen saw that the
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: audience was not on Tamra's side. And I do believe
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: that Hear and Slade had a plan to take down
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Tamera because they thought that's what the audists wanted to
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: see and look and their defense, sure, that is probably
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: what the audists wanted to see. However, the difference is
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: it has to be something that makes.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Sense and tangible.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Not being Rufie, not going to the hospital after Nickod
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: releted it, not saying this woman had a fair in
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: recording studio and you guys have the audio. All of
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: that to me is when it's becoming to the point
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: where it's I'm trying to find my word to use
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: without being so like big like NBC like you are, Alexis.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: But it's just it's it's dangerous. I just feel like
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: it's not fun. It's day jurists lies.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: But yeah, that's what I was going to say, the
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: life part, because here's the deal, Carlos. Sorry, I'm drinking
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: die coke and I just had hiccup. So here's the thing.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: If what they were saying was real, then people would
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: kind of jump on board. But first of all, the
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: roofie thing has been shown that it was a lie,
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: and the Gretchen's trying to backpedal and say she didn't
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: say it.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: And then now the audio they said.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: Or that he heard it and all this, they said
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: they had the actual, you know, evidence of it and
• 20:22
  Speaker 4: it was sentis late, and then she backpeddled on that.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: I think that's also what's making the audience go hm,
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: because the audience isn't stupid, you know, they're not stupid.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, And this is why the next day
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Gretcha wakes up regretting it. And let's be clear, it's
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: because her ins Laye had a conversation afterwards and.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: She felt like, oh my gosh, this did not go
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: the way we planned it to go. She knew she
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: was caught in a lie.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: And the fact that she's telling you how an Emily, Hey,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: please don't break it up to Tamra.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: I just don't want to get into with her. I
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: don't want to make this a big deal.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: It's sort of like, we are going to make this
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: a big deal because you made it a big deal by.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: A lunching that this moment was fucking literally.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Around in a studio and you don't expect this to
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: come back.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: And you know how this show works. I think dretching
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: overplay her hand.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: You're filming a TV show. You think it's not gonna
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: come out.
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: There's cameras there, mother ever, there's cameras. But you know,
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: first of all, they got her naked wasted again, which
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: they weren't meaning to do.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: But second of all, like that's why she was slippery
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: loose mouth. I mean, she was wasted, okay, but it's.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: Like me last I last season though, listen, I'm self deprecating. Okay,
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: last season when I brought up the videos, I didn't
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: mean to. And then I was like, I was even
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: sitting bed again. We're the cameras still rolling then or not,
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: and we weren't. We weren't drunk then, okay, we were
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: just up talking. And I get fired up about Johnny
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: because everything was not true that was being told about him,
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: and I was I was losing my marbles by how
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: many accusations and how I needed to calm down, and
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: I'm like Shannon to stop up and lying.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: That's what I wanted to happen. And so anyways, that's
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: when that came up, and I put my foot literally
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: like put my foot in my mouth.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: Okay, so I can get that camera or Gretchen probably
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: had a cocktail too.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Many and then was like, ooh, this is fun.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: Let's just get it all out there, and then regretted
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: it the next morning.
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: That's what I think happened.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna say this.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: And they haven't taped the reunion yet on those coming up.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Listen as of now.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: As of now, I will be surprised and Gretchen's acts
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: back next season.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: I just don't see a world in wish she camera
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: co from this.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know what is the problem
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: like this, Bravo is its own animal. I don't know.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: They do things sometimes that are just it doesn't make
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: sense to us, but then they I don't, so I
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: don't know. I can't even I have tried to project
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: the future with all of that before. I never thought
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: I I get I'd never get thought I get about
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: asked back after ten years.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: So you know, I just I leave it to them.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: They obviously know what they're doing because it's our twentieth
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: season now, So yeah, whatever.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Project you're right about that. You're right about that about
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: that at all. A theme that I thought was super
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: said and one of the reasons why I do enjoy
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: watching Gina. So you know, Travini's Gina's boyfriend is trying
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: to get custody of his children, and when it comes
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: to the mother of his children, she's preventing their son allegedly.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: That's what Gina is saying, that she's allegedly preventing their
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: son from being around them, proclaiming that he doesn't feel
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: safe around Gina and Travis, and Travis has a court
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: day coming up.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: It really made me feel sad, and again it is
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: one of the reasons.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: Why I do love this show, because we can get
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: to the mess and the scandal, the scamp, those nature things,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: but it's these real story lies that I think makes
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: oh See so special because I appreciate it seeing Gena
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: emok about this.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Obviously, you know what.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: It's like to be divorced and to try to make
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: things work when it comes to co parenting. What did
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: you think about what Gena Travis is going through and
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: what advice would you give to them?
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, it sinks.
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: That's why I said nobody wants to get married to
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: get the divorce. I mean, it just is not in
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: people's People don't walk down the aisle to get a
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: divorce and then have kids hoping that they raise them
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: and broken family. It is the hardest thing for parents
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: to do is to lose their kids fifty.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Percent of the time. And I think that. I think
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: the only.
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: Thing Gina and Travis can do is be steadfast and
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: stay calm and show their truth and court.
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, obviously, did they say this is going to
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: go to court? Didn't she say? I'm thinking she said she.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: I don't know if they, but anyway, if there's a
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: bottle over the battle over the kids, it's going to
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: go to court. So I just think they have to
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: stay I mean, lawyer up with the best one you
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: can and stay calm and don't don't bat mouth that
• 25:09
  Speaker 4: other parent, take the facts. Start journaling, like I journaled
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: everything all the time when I you know, when we
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: were fifty to fifty and then I got the kids
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: full time, but I journaled every day, what would happen,
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: everything in and out. I sent it all to my
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: attorney every time, like you you have to have the
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: the you know, the story behind it too to and
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: the facts to prove it.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Heart I feel horrible for.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Them now, ad adtu.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: That's so interesting because on the real health wots of Miami,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: that is something that Lisa talked about. Her lawyers recommended
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: her to do as well as to take note of everything,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: to drink everything, every single thing is it is one
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: of the reasons to do that Alexis is to have
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: this sort of log of what happens so that you
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: can figure a case.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: In a court of law.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, you have to. I mean you
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: have to have it.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: And that was the number one thing from the attorney
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: was just Alexis journal every day.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: So and I still have them. I mean it didn't
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: matter because we didn't have to go to court. It
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: just it just they just moved in but which was
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: a blessing in disguise. But I did have it.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: So I think that Gina needs to start that today
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: and maybe even go back in our memory and remember
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: certain to go back to texts and look at the
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: text from her and Travis Stones and record things from
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: that so that you can redrag your memory about what
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: happened in April, you know kind of thing. So it
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: just sinks that it seeks to be on a television
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: show and have to you know that that's exploited. But
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: you are on reality, so you're right, your personal life
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: does come out, you know.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, But she's relatable because a lot of people go
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: through this. I mean, look at the doors right in California,
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: it's like seventy five percent, So a lot of people
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: can relate to this.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Which is wild, which is wild, But no, I think
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Gina's so relatable. Again, we saw her battle alcoholism, the
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: d UI, this, this relationship with Travis, going through divorce
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: from her ex husband, being as thing a mom, getting
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: her real estate license. Like listen, I know, Gina Emily
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: get a lot of shit on social media and whatever.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: That's that.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: But what I will say is I think Gina has
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: always been somebody that's given her reality to the show
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: and that should not be taken for granted because a
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: lot of these other women do not do so.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Which leads me to the next topic of the conversation,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: which was.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: The moment Alexis that went left and I did not
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: see it coming.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: So the girls are hanging out towards the end of the.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Episode and Shannon is talking about, you know, what she
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: is going through in therapy her her parents. Tama listen now,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Shannon is evoting, and I'm like, okay, it's nice to
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: hear personal story. Talma's like, oh, you know your father
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: had a drinking problem too. Is that's something that you
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: know you talk on a therapy and Alexis Bellino. Shannon
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: lost her shit and felt that Tamera had no right
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: to bring this up on television right now, whether or
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: not that is something that she kept private. I get
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: that because the father is on camera to defit himself.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: So I get it. I get it, I get I
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: get it.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: The part that I don't get and I would love
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on it. And it then became
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: a question of Tamra's intentions in terms of why did
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: she bring it up and what we talked about earlier
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: that I wanted to relate to this scene is what
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: Tamra said at the time of the episode.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: I'm damned if I do. I'm damned if I don't.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: And I said this last week to you about I'm
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: getting assists that they want to ice.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Al Tamra again. I don't.
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: I did not think for one second that Tamera brought
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: up her father's alcoholism to relate to the girls and
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: the audience that Shannon also had to take a problem.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: I thought that was a reach. I didn't get that
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: one bad.
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: I have to be honest because I have to act
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: like Tamar's not my friend right now, and I try
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: to be objective during this podcast so that the truth,
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: like I want to tell, I want to speak the
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: truth from what I.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: Think the viewers think.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: Okay, I I think in hindsight, and I have not
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: spoken to Tamar about this, so I'm totally speaking not
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: I don't know if this is how she felt, but
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: I think she probably regretted it. Alf I think in
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: the moment, she one hundred percent was trying to relate
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: to Shannon, be kind to Shannon, like help Shannon.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: I think at the.
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: After that she probably was like, Yeah, it probably wasn't
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: the worst thing to say.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Because I'm watching it, I'm going, ohugh, oh, you're trying to.
• 29:46
  Speaker 8: Get back in there, and then you just happened to
• 29:48
  Speaker 8: just go there. The little you know, could totally be
• 29:51
  Speaker 8: taken but taken bad. But the problem is Shannon is
• 29:57
  Speaker 8: very sensitive to that subject. You know, she's defensive about
• 30:00
  Speaker 8: the subject of alcohol in general because of everyone thinks
• 30:03
  Speaker 8: she has a drinking problem.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: So I think that that it really went low for Shannon.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: But I also think Shannon is just not going to ever,
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: you know, I think Tama's trying to do it for
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: the show and like, Okay, look, we got to move on.
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: We're creating a show here, and Shannon's just holds grudges
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: and stays bitter and is not going to move forward.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, she's not budging at all, like you know,
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: and and I do see honestly where Shannon could be
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: like that was kind of low Tamar. You know, like
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: if that was set in confidence, and that's the truth,
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: that it was set in confidence and not to be
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: you know, not to be shared on television, which I
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: didn't watch all the other seasons, so I don't know
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: if it got brought up in any other episode that
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: you know, her dad had a drinking problem. But anyway,
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: either any way around it, I kind of see where
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: it should not have been said. There's other ways to
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: try to relate with Shannon. But I don't think Tamra
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: did it intentionally to start. You could even tell by
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: Tamra's personality or like or like like Aura in that moment,
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: She's sitting there like really concerned and she's like, well
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: this if this is festering inside, like you really do
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: you know?
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: She was coming from a place of caring.
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: It sounded like not like because what Tamma's on on camera,
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: Tamra on camera, Tamera, Oh.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: That was good? Anyway, that was I didn't I didn't
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: know that. By the way, on.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: Camera, camera camera, if you can see that, she's like,
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: can't wait to throw that napkin in Jin's face, you know,
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: or whatever.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: But this seemed like a heart felt, like in the
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: moment kind of Tamera.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: You know, first of all, I actual people hunch percent,
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: you know. I agree that. That's why I said earlier,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: I don't understand why Shanna felt like that's not a
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: good place to break up something about my own father.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: I have as for sin agree with that that's.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Not Tarra's place to break up anything relating to someone else.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: My biggest thing was I do not think Tamra had
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: bad attentions right taking it up to Shannon. I thought
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: the same thing you did, Like, she's in the moment,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: she's trying to get back in there, and I think
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: what the audience doesn't quite understand, and I think, oh,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: I'm curious if you know more about this obviously than
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: we do, because you're friends with camera. Shanna and Tamra,
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: we're best friends for over a decade and had several conversations.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: And one thing I do know producing these shows, Alexis,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: is unless you tell somebody, do not bring us up
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: on camera when I'm about to tell you.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: There's so much.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Information you know about a person that when you're trying
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: to be really the moment, it is sometimes hard to
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: say to yourself, oh, but cameras aren't here, I should
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: not bring us up because I don't know if that's
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: something that's off limits, whereas there's other things I know
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: that are off limits.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: And that's the reason why I didn't think Tamra was
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: trying to be a bad friend.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: I thought that Tamar was like, oh, I know this
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: because we talked a lot, and that's why way she
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: saw Shanni's reaction, she did not double down on it.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: She did not make excuses for it.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: She said, Okay, I didn't know, but I wasn't trying
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: to do that and felt the need to lead this
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: scene to crime. But do you think the audience and
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: maybe you know more too, that she had Tamar really
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: had a brow friendship at one.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Point they did. They did, and I do agree with
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: you on that.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: I didn't think about that perspective, but yeah, because like,
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: but here's the thing, like Tamara knows a lot about me,
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: I know a lot about her, and we don't talk
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: about those things on camera because we have said those
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: exact words to each other, like this is this is
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: just between and you, you know, kind of thing kind
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: of like music off the record when you're talking to
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: a reporter, you know, it's like yes, So so I
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: think that I And perhaps it was because it was
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: so in the moment that Tamra was like oops, you know,
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: I guess now I truely and I should ask her
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: about this because I haven't talked to her about that,
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: but I wonder if she did, like after, you know,
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: on the drive home, kind of think yeah, maybe I
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: should have said that, you know, because you have to
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: go back in your whole ten years of a friendship
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: and go, wait, what did we say not to say?
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: And what did we say? Was okay to say? You
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: know so?
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: And maybe Tamer was thinking Shannon's drinking issue is so
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: public now you know, the whole world knows it and
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: sees it, so maybe it's not a bad thing to
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: talk about her dad now too, because it is out there.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: So I don't know.
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: I don't know, Carlos. I wouldn't have said it. I'm
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: telling you that I wouldn't. If I was in Tamer's
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: shoes and had known that information, I would not have
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: gone there.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: So let's just that, get that clear.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now, listen, that's why if that not the thing,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: that's why it's so hard with these shows because on
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: one hand, we want real friendships and we want broke conversations,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: but when it happened, the other person breaks up the
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: fourth wall and says, I'll want that to be probably television,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: which again I get it. Shannon's ninety six year old
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: five is not to defend himself. And look, I'm somebody
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: who has a dad, thankfully who's still alive, and I
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: don't want to expose his business to the world because
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: I decided to be a person on camera, not him.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: So I totally get it. The response though, with so
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Jen felt like, no, I believe Tamara did that have
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: with bad attention. I think she did it so that
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: the world and the girls can relate Shannon's alcohol.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Looked to her dance and see that it's a pattern
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: in the history there.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: Said let me go get to the bottom of thisss
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: and went in and legitimately I believed her when she
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: was like going and she wasn't trying to stir the pot,
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: she would like camera. I don't remember how she worded it,
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: so paraphrasing, but like Tamra, what did you mean that?
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: What was that meant as a dig? And then when
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: Tamra says no, then aren't in a good place?
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: I don't think.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: I mean, it seems like they're always bickering on the show.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: But then she goes to Jen, goes to Shannon and
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: then said, look, I asked her, it wasn't a dick.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: She said, it wasn't a dick.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: So I appreciated Jenn in that moment for actually being
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: the one trying to get to the bottom of it
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: and being objective for a moment instead of being biased.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: You know, I agree, I agree, I agree, and look,
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Shannon's like whatever.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: I believe. What I believe is she left.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Listen, I, like I said to you before, Shannon is
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: great television. I based on what I saw this episode two,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I am still going.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: To say this. I think Shannon needs a break.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: Because I'm over the walking away, I'm over not dealing
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: with things hit on and really having a conversation. She
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: doesn't like Tamra. And look, what I will say is
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: is Shannathan fence. I understand because Tamra was not nice
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: to her last season and the things that Tamarra said
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: to Shannon was not nice.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: And I understand that. But you're either going to move
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: on or not.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: And if your stance is and I do not want
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: to be friends with you, just stand on business, stay
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: on that shit and don't play this sort of like
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: dangling situation to where we're fine.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: We're not fine. I'm ready, I'm not ready.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: I think that's confusing for any friend to be like
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: where did we go from here? And I based on
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: this episode, I just don't think Shannon Tamara would ever
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: be friends again.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: I think Tamara's trying.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: I think Tamra other still, she did a lot of
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: dash shit to her last season.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: But I also think Shannon is not.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: Giving Tamara any sort of any sort of half to
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: have a reconciliation, to at least be friends, maybe not
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: best friends, but to at least be friends.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: Well my take on that is to kind of top
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: with yourself, like go along with what you're saying, is
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: I think their friendship would never be more more than
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: a TV friendship at this point.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: I think too much water is at the bridge.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: I think that it would be a working relationship, which
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: is what needs to happen on these TV shows. Not
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: everyone can be best friends, not everyone can have a
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: true friendship aside from the show.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: You have to have the TV friendships and you have
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: to have the real friendships.
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: So I think that that is what Shannon should try
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: to do, is at least have enough kumbaya.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: They're not going to call each other and go off
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: for coffee. I mean, let's be real, They're not.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: There's I mean, and you're talking about how bad Tamra
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: was to Shannon, but Shannon ghosted Tamra when Tamar got
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: kicked off the show, ghosted her after a ten year
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: of friendship, so you know, so I don't know, there's
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: a lot of there's a lot of things between both
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: of them that were wrong and that showed, you know,
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: and then Tamara never felt like Shannon Barah felt like
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: Tamar felt like Shannon never actually like reached out and
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: said how are you?
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: How is your life? It was always Tamar trying to
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: fix Shannon.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: But along those lines when you said Shannon needs a pause,
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: Here's the thing. Shannon keeps saying in her interviews confessionals
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: that she's never been happier.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: But yet she's crying every single episode. She's never smiling anymore.
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: She's it was even last season. She's just she's not happy.
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: So I do feel like she needs a reset button,
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: like a little maybe a pause would have her start
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: getting into her own life, get a hobby, get find
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: something else that makes you excited about life again, you know.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean maybe a pause would be good
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: for her.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's my think.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: I think when it comes to Shannon, I think she's
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: had a lot of bad things happen to her right
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: and she will always give my grace for that.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: I don't think.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: Self induced I have to do Okay, no, no, no,
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: let's let's talk about let's talk about it.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Obviously, I was.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Going back to the first introduction of what she was
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: going through with a divorce.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: Dat years ago. Okay, yeah, like like.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: This the pattern here. Listen it. I may be the
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: minority in the situation, that's fine.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: I don't think Shannon has ever healed from David.
• 40:16
  Speaker 9: I watched the show and looked when a man cheats
• 40:22
  Speaker 9: only you in that way and the embarrassedment that.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Followed, and you have.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: Daughters, right, I think that I and you're still filming
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: a TV show.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: I don't think Shannon ever had the time to heal
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: from David and everything.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Like you said that We're going to be honest here
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: that has been self induced is because of my opinion
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: she had she has. She has not allowed herself to
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: heal from what her David went through because she never
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: all that matters with and I think like most women,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: like most women who deal with infidelity, I do believe
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: she thought David would change.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I didn't.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: I didn't watch that season, but I heard about obviously
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: the news and stuff that I I mean, my heart
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: goes out to anyone who gets cheated on, for sure,
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: and any any marriage that dissolves, because regardless of his
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: fault it is, or if it's fifty to fifty of faults,
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: it's not easy and it stinks. So maybe you are
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: one hundred percent right that that is what catapulted all
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: of the tornado that is around Shannon. You know, like,
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: maybe that is yeah, yeah, so that's that's pretty insightful.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Well, you're not trying to be a like, say, you know,
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: I've been doing this for a long time. I'm talking
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: to me a little bit of sightful.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: So hopefully that that gives reasons So listed I'm asking
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: for the plause because I think she.
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Needs a year off to heal herself.
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: And I I just don't think she has done the
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: work because rightfully so, she hasn't had the time because
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: she's been filming ever since that whole situation happened. But nevertheless, nevertheless, listen,
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: oh see, is a Katie less season? My last question
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: for you, Alexi before ibably let you go to your busy, busy,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: busy busy life.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: My darling, are you missing Katie from the show?
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: I am.
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: I don't know if I'm in the minority or the majority,
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: but I you know, and I'm even a little bit
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: mad still about her lying about the whole audio and
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: memo thing. But see how I can get over things
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: because I'm forty eight years old and it's like, okay,
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: it's let's.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Move on everybody. But I am I. I don't see
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: a way that she can be around the women.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: It seems like they have iced her out and they
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: don't trust her enough to have her even in a
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: realm of work, realm way.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: But of the show.
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: But I loved her confessionals. I think she's funny. I
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: love her. Her husband, so I you know, I want
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: more of him on the show because I think he's
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: the crack up, you know, and he doesn't.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: Produce her obviously, and he does it.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: You know, he is a mate that's like, I'm your
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: companion and I'm here to defend you, but I'm not
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: gonna I'm not gonna.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Do your job for you or be your business partner.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: So anyway, I just I miss her.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: I hope that.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: I mean, I thought she's at least it's the reunion, right, Like,
• 43:26
  Speaker 4: I don't know, do you have any intel on that, Carlos,
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: give us the intel.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Look at you after we have a good question. You know,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: You have friends in high places, honey, So you you
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: give us a little bit of goose. Like I said
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: last week, juseid gossip, give us a lib. I just
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: hope at the reunion and can speak a little bit
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: of her mind.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: You know she's not perfect.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: We know she has a slippery mouth when it and
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: and and you know, but I don't feel like she
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: has a heart like Gretchen has. I feel like Gretchen
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: came in and is telling why and just in destruction mode.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: I feel like Katie simply has loose lips and doesn't
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: mean things to slip out when they do, and then
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: she back peddles. Well, I think they're totally two different intentions.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: I agree, And look, I think I think I miss her.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you why.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Number one, I do one thousand, one hundred percent believe
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: she'll be ole to you again.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: One percent.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, so we get we get to see that for sure.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: I drew you, Alexus. I miss her because at the
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: end of the day she added something that was interesting
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: to watch, brother than I thought she was a liar,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: and listen, I do think she has lied. However, she's
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: not the first the only Housewatch we have lied about
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: some feet so so I have never ever ever asked
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: for the firing of Katie Janella.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: I will say this, love her, hate her. She brought
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: something interesting to the show.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: She it was, and that's why I said to me
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: to the audience, she this enigma. My opinion about her
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: remains the same. But I never was said give off
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: my show. It was more so like if you can't
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: handle they, he'd get off the kitchen. But I would
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: rather see her fight through getting her voice heard than
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: what i've seen now.
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: And I'll leave it at that.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: I hope she comes on that reunion if what you
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: say is true, I hope she comes on that reunion
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: and is strong, bold, has a voice and says her
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: peace to where the Bramos like, yeah, we kind of
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: eat her back, you know, And hopefully the other women can,
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: you know, have a little bit of a shift in heart,
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: maybe just a little just I don't know.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: I don't think Heather de Row will ever im was
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: shifting heart with her. But we'll see. I mean, Heather
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: is pretty, Heather is pretty forgiving, so we'll see.
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope, So, I hope, So, I hope so. Well, look,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: let's Melina. I can't think you enough for stepping into
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: reality for the King.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: From the OC recap get almot her Dan, Girl and
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: I will see you next Friday.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: Bye everybody, frie.
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: Bye boo.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Bye.
• 46:09
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• 46:14
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• 46:18
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• 46:20
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