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Is Tony Petiti's Letter GAME OVER For The Connor Stalions Investigation? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: there for the full event. All three days should be
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  Speaker 1: a ton to talk about. One of those things to
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  Speaker 1: talk about. Big ten Commissioner Tony Pettiti apparently weighed in
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  Speaker 1: on the nc doublea's investigation into Michigan as part of
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  Speaker 1: the most recent hearing that happened. In early June, he
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  Speaker 1: sent a letter to the NCAA Committee on Infractions and opinion,
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  Speaker 1: Michigan doesn't need any more punishment time served all done
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  Speaker 1: in the case involving former staff or Connish Stallions. Tony
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  Speaker 1: Gerderman a fuckhuddle dot com joins me. Tony, I think
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  Speaker 1: there's two different pieces of this story that are interesting
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  Speaker 1: and probably stuff that people may not totally understand, at
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  Speaker 1: least based on some of the initial reaction online. So
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  Speaker 1: I will leave it up to you choose your own
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  Speaker 1: adventure to talk about the criminology behind this. Inter You
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  Speaker 1: know who leaked this, how do we know that they
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  Speaker 1: leaked this? Why would you leak it? Now? Turn to
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  Speaker 1: page fourteen, and if you'd like to talk about is
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  Speaker 1: this game over Tony? For the NCAA's investigation, has Tony
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  Speaker 1: Petiti painted them into a corner? You can turn to
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  Speaker 1: page forty seven. Tony Gerdaman, choose your own adventure.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to page fourteen and talk about why this
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  Speaker 2: is coming out now and why it would come out
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  Speaker 2: at all. I think those are two valid questions that
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  Speaker 2: could be its own show. Basically, I think the key
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  Speaker 2: thing here is. This is Dan wetts All reporting it
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  Speaker 2: well known but well respected, but a lot of his
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  Speaker 2: information comes from the Michigan side of things, which I
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  Speaker 2: fully believe this has been given to him from the
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  Speaker 2: Michigan side of things again, and so he's also being
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  Speaker 2: told the rosiest portrait, given the rosiest portrait of this,
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  Speaker 2: and as we know from the Michigan side of things,
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  Speaker 2: that's not always been the most accurate picture painted of
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  Speaker 2: you know. Oh well, when when you hear stories from
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  Speaker 2: from inside the Michigan walls and the Shambeckler Halls, there
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  Speaker 2: the walls of the Shambckler Hall like it's it's painted
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  Speaker 2: in the best possible light. And that's why this letter,
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  Speaker 2: I would believe it has much of it says, hey,
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  Speaker 2: come on, Michigan's been through enough guys, now let's just
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  Speaker 2: ease up on them. And I think there's some validity
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  Speaker 2: to a commissioner doing that for his one of his schools.
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  Speaker 2: But again, I think what I from this, One of
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  Speaker 2: the main things I take from this is that this
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  Speaker 2: is very much to me, reads like a story where
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  Speaker 2: somebody comes in and tries to convince you that basically
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  Speaker 2: the commissioner said, we're fine, the commissioner, you should read
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  Speaker 2: this letter. I don't remember what it said word for word,
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  Speaker 2: but the gist of the letter was that the commissioner
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  Speaker 2: thinks we are very pretty.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, I think one thing that on the
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  Speaker 1: Michigan side of things you would certainly point out and go, well,
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  Speaker 1: this is extremely telling and extremely important is that Tony
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  Speaker 1: Pettiti has not always been telling Michigan that they were pretty.
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  Speaker 1: In this case, you only have to go back a
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  Speaker 1: little under two years, and Michigan fans were ready to
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  Speaker 1: burn Tony Pettiti at the stake because boy, he had
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  Speaker 1: jumped the gun and he had failed due process, and
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  Speaker 1: they were gonna stand on the table and you know,
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  Speaker 1: pound their shoelk Nikita Krushchev and oh boy, this is
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  Speaker 1: the And then they folded on that because they recognized
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  Speaker 1: that they didn't really have a legacy. And he suspended
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  Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh three games in season in twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 1: That was very, very unusual, and that was something that
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of people viewed as you know,
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  Speaker 1: this is something that very obviously there's proof to this,
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  Speaker 1: like very clearly they you know, this is not something
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  Speaker 1: the Big ten does just on a whim, so that
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  Speaker 1: that in and of itself was telling. But now for
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  Speaker 1: him to have you now he he did that then,
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  Speaker 1: and now he's saying, hey, enough, you know that. That's
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  Speaker 1: That's something that I think a lot of people are are,
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  Speaker 1: you know, sort of pointing at from the Michigan side
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  Speaker 1: in terms of why, you know, boy, what this is
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  Speaker 1: a big deal. One other piece of the you know,
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  Speaker 1: yes they're they're leaking this, and yes they're leaking it
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  Speaker 1: before the the NCAA's committee is expected to issue a
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  Speaker 1: ruling before the season, which we're now just over a
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  Speaker 1: month out, So that's getting that's getting close. But Tony,
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  Speaker 1: you and I are about to get on an airplane
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  Speaker 1: to go talk to Tony Pettiti tomorrow, and it doesn't strike
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  Speaker 1: me as a coincidence that this came out the day
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  Speaker 1: before Tony Petiti is going to go talk in front
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  Speaker 1: of a bunch of TV cameras.
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  Speaker 2: And in that article from Dan Wetzel, he was already
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  Speaker 2: declined comment, which is exactly what he's going to do
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  Speaker 2: when he's asked, assuming he has asked about this on Tuesday,
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  Speaker 2: when he speaks with the media, he'll decline comment. I wonder.
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  Speaker 2: I assume most coaches will as well, but I think
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  Speaker 2: it's a question that should be posed to them as well.
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  Speaker 2: How would you How do you feel about this, this
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  Speaker 2: reported letter that your commissioner doesn't think that Michigan should
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  Speaker 2: receive any further harm or any further punishment. How do
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  Speaker 2: you feel about that? But it is interesting that this happens. Now,
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  Speaker 2: It's clearly it's not a coincidence because it could have
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  Speaker 2: happened the day after the letter was was read in
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  Speaker 2: court in the committee, like this could have happened well,
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  Speaker 2: well before it happens now.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So there you go. So there's there's the the
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  Speaker 1: who and the why behind the league. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: this is one of these things that when you have
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  Speaker 1: a political scandal, everyone always wants to make it about that,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like, well, that doesn't impact the substance of
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  Speaker 1: the issue. That's just sort of understanding kind of the
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  Speaker 1: bigger picture. So now let's turn to page forty seven
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  Speaker 1: and get to the substance of the letter and what
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  Speaker 1: it all means. And I will Tony, I don't have
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  Speaker 1: rules to read from here, but I do have an
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  Speaker 1: article to read from, So you'll have to make do
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  Speaker 1: no bylaws. We'll get to that with maybe with Bill
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  Speaker 1: Carollo during the officiating press conference on Tuesday. But just
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  Speaker 1: a little bit from the what's a article, the letter
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  Speaker 1: what is read. At an early June Infractions committee hearing
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  Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, multiple sources told ESPN and just In Aside
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  Speaker 1: the Big Ten did confirm to Dan Wetzel that there was,
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  Speaker 1: you know, a letter was sent. The NCAA has charged
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  Speaker 1: Michigan with eleven rule violations, six of them Level one,
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  Speaker 1: which is classified as the most serious. The committee has
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  Speaker 1: yet to hand down a ruling, but one is expected
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  Speaker 1: before the twenty twenty five season. It does not have
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  Speaker 1: to follow or even consider Petiti's opinion, which is I
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  Speaker 1: think a you know, a significant piece of this, because
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  Speaker 1: you know, I don't think the discourse around this whole
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  Speaker 1: thing has been particularly measured on either side of the
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  Speaker 1: more extreme Michigan fans slash fan media types and some
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  Speaker 1: of the more extreme Michigan rival type fans and fan
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  Speaker 1: media types. I saw, you know, immediately, the reaction from
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  Speaker 1: a lot of Michigan folks that you know, the Michigan
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  Speaker 1: folks who've been telling you that nothing, you know, there
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  Speaker 1: was no advantage gain and like immediately their action is
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  Speaker 1: kind of like, well, there you go, there, there you
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  Speaker 1: have it. And so there's nothing more to say if
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  Speaker 1: Tony Petitti said, and I do think it is an
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  Speaker 1: important distinction that that last line there, that this is
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  Speaker 1: not the committee saying this. This is not something the
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  Speaker 1: Committee even has to take an into any serious account.
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  Speaker 1: This is just Tony Pettiti saying this. And I you know,
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  Speaker 1: at this point, Tony Pettitti has a lot of reasons
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  Speaker 1: to not want Michigan to face a postseason ban. For example,
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  Speaker 1: because Tony Pettitti is trying to get as many teams
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  Speaker 1: in the college football playoffs can and have those teams
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  Speaker 1: do as well as they can. So it's probably in
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  Speaker 1: Tony Petiti in the Big Ten's best interest for Michigan
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  Speaker 1: to not get a postseason ban of a year or two.
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  Speaker 1: And I feel like that's probably you know, you do
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  Speaker 1: have a little bit of a dollars and cents to
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  Speaker 1: the potentially to the why behind.
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  Speaker 2: It's also a little bit like when a congressperson votes
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  Speaker 2: for something they know is it going to pass, but
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  Speaker 2: they want to look good for the constituents, and they're
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  Speaker 2: like Hey, I tried to stop it, like I did
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  Speaker 2: a good thing, and I was I had your backs, guys.
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  Speaker 2: That's what this looks like to me, because it is
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  Speaker 2: one million percent ludicrous that if this letter is exactly
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  Speaker 2: as Dan Wetson puts it, or as it was presented
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  Speaker 2: to him, that he doesn't think there should be any
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  Speaker 2: further punishments because the entirety of the punishments for the
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  Speaker 2: counter stallions thing was three just three games suspended for
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  Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh. Let's keep in mind they got three years
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  Speaker 2: of probation for the previous thing, for the COVID recruiting things.
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  Speaker 2: Is he's saying there should be no probation for this?
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  Speaker 2: Is he saying there should be no fine for this?
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  Speaker 2: Is he saying there should be no further punishment for this.
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  Speaker 2: To think that he would say that is crazy because
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  Speaker 2: he knows that there is probation coming for from this.
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  Speaker 2: He knows that there are financial penalties coming from this. Perhaps,
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  Speaker 2: you know, even aside from postseason ban or vacating games
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  Speaker 2: like that's even aside from the thing to think that
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  Speaker 2: he should there's that he thinks there should be no
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  Speaker 2: further punishments, that he legitimately thinks there should be no
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  Speaker 2: further further punishments is crazy because he knows there will be,
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  Speaker 2: so to argue otherwise. It's to me that just flies
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  Speaker 2: in the face of anything legitimate that he thinks the
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  Speaker 2: three games is all that would come from this and
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  Speaker 2: that's that's it, because that's not how this has ever worked.
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  Speaker 2: I know he's only been in the NCAA for a
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  Speaker 2: few years. That's not how this has ever worked. And
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  Speaker 2: there's going to be further punishments, is it? The hammer?
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't matter that we're not talking about the hammer. We're
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  Speaker 2: talking about that's it. That's it, We're done. It's like, no, oh,
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  Speaker 2: that's impossible, because there will be NCAA punishments. They're not
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  Speaker 2: just gonna be like you handle this for us, Tony,
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  Speaker 2: We're good. Thanks boy. Did we waste some time? Did
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  Speaker 2: we waste a lot of time and money when you
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  Speaker 2: took care of this for us back in twenty twenty three?
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  Speaker 2: Like we owe you? Is there something? Can we send
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  Speaker 2: you some flowers? You know, an edible arrangement, like how
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  Speaker 2: can we make this up to you? So it's crazy
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  Speaker 2: to think that he thinks that there should be no
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  Speaker 2: further punishments.
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  Speaker 1: Well, what I think is, if you want to look
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  Speaker 1: at the no further punishments period, full stop, game over,
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  Speaker 1: drive home safe everyone, Tony. Do you know who thinks
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  Speaker 1: there should be further punishments and has in fact proposed
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  Speaker 1: further punishments.
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  Speaker 2: Michigan.
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  Speaker 1: It's Michigan crazy enough. The University of Michigan has proposed
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  Speaker 1: from the Wetsel article, Michigan Comma. As ESPN previously reported,
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  Speaker 1: Comma has proposed to suspending current coach Ron Moore for
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  Speaker 1: the third and fourth game of the twenty twenty five
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  Speaker 1: season for deleting a threat of text message with messages
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  Speaker 1: with Stallions as the scandal broke. So I feel like
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  Speaker 1: the odds that there's nothing more coming down the pike
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  Speaker 1: is slightly less than zero because if they, you know,
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  Speaker 1: unless the NCAA wants to say no, no no no
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  Speaker 1: no no no no, you're you're good, You're fine, don't
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  Speaker 1: please take back that letter that you sent us offering
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  Speaker 1: to have sure on more servitoo game suspension? Why would
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  Speaker 1: he serve a two game suspension? We don't know, there's
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  Speaker 1: nothing else to punish, So, you know, I'm sure Michigan
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  Speaker 1: volunteered that with the expectation that no action would be
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  Speaker 1: taken on it. That feels implausible. So, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: think that's that's one thing the can I.
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  Speaker 2: Just jump in I you are talking Tom about a
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  Speaker 2: program that is being trying to be too proactive and
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  Speaker 2: punishing themselves when this is just the case of Michigan,
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  Speaker 2: who has always been proactive and has never drugged their feet,
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  Speaker 2: and now they're trying to hand down themselves a punishment
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  Speaker 2: that even Tony Pettiti thinks is a bridge too far.
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  Speaker 2: And I guarantee you there are people who think that
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  Speaker 2: that is a serious thing that you know, Michigan, we've
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  Speaker 2: we we, as I say, Michigan, like we are always
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  Speaker 2: you know, too fast to act to punish ourselves and
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  Speaker 2: we should just have listened to two. Uh, we shouldn't
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  Speaker 2: have done that, because Tony Pettiti clearly thinks that we
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  Speaker 2: we didn't deserve that. And there are people out there
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  Speaker 2: that thinks Michigan is too forthcoming with their with their
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  Speaker 2: wrongdoings and their punishments, and this is certainly just feeding
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  Speaker 2: right into their too into their frenzy.
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  Speaker 1: It does feel like that was not the narrative around
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  Speaker 1: how Michigan handled the COVID era punishments, which we will
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  Speaker 1: you know, open bracket cheeseburgers, et cetera, a close bracket
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  Speaker 1: like that. That whole thing Jim Harball was. You know,
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  Speaker 1: one of the reasons that Michigan got the punishment that
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  Speaker 1: it did was that Jim Harball was not at all
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  Speaker 1: compliance and not at all uh cooperative with that that investigation.
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  Speaker 1: So you know, that's that's a very nice story to
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  Speaker 1: tell yourself. I don't think that that's really born out
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  Speaker 1: by the fact. And you know, as part of this
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  Speaker 1: Wetzel article, even as he's telling this, here's some of
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  Speaker 1: the context around it. The NCAA might still hit the
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  Speaker 1: golver Ins with penalties ranging from vacating post past victories,
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  Speaker 1: a postseason ban, the suspension of coaches, a monetary fine,
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  Speaker 1: or other measures. All that stuff is on the table.
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  Speaker 1: I think, you know, we we have been you know,
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  Speaker 1: there have been lots of people who have been racing
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  Speaker 1: out to tell you exactly what the punishment is based
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  Speaker 1: on precedent that's not really exactly directly applicable. And there's
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  Speaker 1: been other people who've just said hammer coming, and that's
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  Speaker 1: you know, that's a great way to whatever happens, you
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  Speaker 1: can claim victory because you know, and then the people
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  Speaker 1: who say nothing serious is coming you used, that's pretty
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  Speaker 1: that's a pretty easy one to claim victory on two
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  Speaker 1: as well, because whatever it is is probably going to
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  Speaker 1: be somewhere in the middle of you know, five five
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  Speaker 1: year postseason ban and Tony Petiti's desperate plea for absolutely
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  Speaker 1: nothing more. So it's going to follow fold someone in
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  Speaker 1: the somewhere in the middle there. My question, though, Tony,
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  Speaker 1: is does this how much does this letter in your
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  Speaker 1: mind move the needle with the committee? Does this Does
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  Speaker 1: this materially change what's coming from Michigan one way or
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  Speaker 1: the other or not so much?
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  Speaker 2: This is a letter that just gets looked at and
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  Speaker 2: check this out. Do you see this like this is
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  Speaker 2: I I was wanted to search and see like how
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  Speaker 2: often like this is the case where it's basically a
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  Speaker 2: form letter from the from the ad or form testimony
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  Speaker 2: from from from a commissioner saying like, hey, you know
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  Speaker 2: these are these are good guys. They just made a
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  Speaker 2: simple mistake, you know, wrong crowd that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 2: I promise you we'll watch out for him. Like to me,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it makes any difference, because again, if
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  Speaker 2: this message is being relayed accurately that he thinks nothing
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  Speaker 2: else should happen. The NCAA is like, shut up, Like
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  Speaker 2: who just crumple this up and toss I'm surprised to
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  Speaker 2: stayed in the file is as crazy as it sounds.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, what is this? How did this get in here?
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  Speaker 2: For the kids drawing? Again? And they put something in
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  Speaker 2: the you know, the family file like this is it
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  Speaker 2: does not move the needle at all. And honestly, something
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  Speaker 2: like this if it actually says, hey, I don't think
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  Speaker 2: Michigan should be punished any further. I don't think that
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  Speaker 2: does them any good. And Tom, maybe that's what Tony
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  Speaker 2: Petiti is trying to do. As we come full circle
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  Speaker 2: from the guy that suspended Jim Harball three games without
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  Speaker 2: the power to do so, even though it was held
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  Speaker 2: up in Michigan allowed him to do it, He in
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  Speaker 2: his diabolical manner, has said leave Michigan alone. And Nancy's like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you watch it now, Buster, We'll leave him alone. We're
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  Speaker 2: gonna leave Michigan alone, right to the poorhouse. That's I
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  Speaker 2: think maybe that is the only acceptable reason for Tony
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  Speaker 2: Pettiti to write a letter saying, come on, guys, what
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  Speaker 2: are we doing here?
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to say definitely,
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  Speaker 1: but Machiavelli if that's an Italian name, Patiti if that's
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  Speaker 1: an Italian name, I don't know. I'm just saying maybe.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm just saying yeah. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think there's the other side of this, which is
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  Speaker 1: absolutely impossible to know, is Tony Pettiti is the head
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  Speaker 1: of a major conference, one of the two biggest conferences,
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  Speaker 1: and what's the future of the NC DOUABLEA. Are they
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  Speaker 1: going to remain in the future? You know, do they
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  Speaker 1: want to stay in the good graces of the guy
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  Speaker 1: in the you know, no further punishments period, full stop,
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  Speaker 1: absolutely not gonna happen. If you wanted to argue, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure people are arguing that, I think that that's
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  Speaker 1: certain at least worth mentioning that, you don't, you know,
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  Speaker 1: that could be something that could potentially, if it's going
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  Speaker 1: to impact it, that would be the angle from which
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  Speaker 1: it would impact it. Rather than that this is a
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  Speaker 1: legitimate play for you know that there's a there is
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  Speaker 1: a legitimate case for no further punishments. That's that's the
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  Speaker 1: only area where I could maybe see that potentially having
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: some kind of impact.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Well, and I also think that when he hands down
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: this suspension and then the notice of allegations comes down
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: nine or ten months later, that he had all of
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: the information at that point, he had all of Michigan's
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: responses at that point. Clearly he didn't because well, maybe
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: he did have all of Michigan's responses, because there have
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: been none. So like the idea that he had all
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: of the necessary information that at that point he had
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: enough to do something clearly because he did, and everybody
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: allowed it, was okay with it. But then at that
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: point to be like, yeah, there's nothing new to be
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: learned here, and Nancy is like, oh, but I think
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: there will be.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: So Well, we will find out probably within the next
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: month or so, probably less, what the NCAA is going
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: to do about Michigan. We will get a chance to
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: talk to Tony Patiti on Tuesday. We'll see how much
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: he wants to talk about this. We'll see how much
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Searan Moore wants to talk about this. On Thursday, We'll
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: see how much Ryan Day wants to talk about this.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: On Tuesday. Yeah, I think I think zero zero and
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: zero is quite possibly the answer there. But we'll get
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: a chance to ask about all of that at Big
• 18:22
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• 18:24
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• 18:27
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• 18:30
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• 18:32
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• 18:35
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• 18:39
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• 18:41
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• 18:45
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• 18:48
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• 18:51
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• 18:54
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• 18:58
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• 18:59
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• 19:03
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• 19:05
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• 19:08
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• 19:14
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• 19:16
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• 19:18
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