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SAVANNAH GUTHRIE MOM MISSING : DAY 44 · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Savannah Guthrie's mother, Nancy Guthrie, Missing,
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Speaker 1: day forty four. What do we know tonight? What are
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Speaker 1: the latest developments in the search for Nancy Guthrie? And
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Speaker 1: why are people piling on Savannah Guthrie at the possibility
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Speaker 1: she may try to go back and work, to try
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Speaker 1: to resume her life with her family and her children.
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Speaker 1: Why is she being attacked? I'm Nancy Grace, this is
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Dave Mack joining us Crime Stories investigative reporter day. What's
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Speaker 1: the latest, Nancy.
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Speaker 2: It appears that the FBI has been able to get
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Speaker 2: additional thumbnail pictures and video from Nancy Guthrie's home. We're
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Speaker 2: talking about from the roof and other cameras that actually
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Speaker 2: cover the side of the house and the backyard and
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Speaker 2: the driveway, so all of the area around the house
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Speaker 2: actually is covered in video and picture form.
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Speaker 3: But what we're being told.
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Speaker 2: Is that this video, these pictures only cover the I'm
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Speaker 2: trying to remember the exact order here, but they don't
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Speaker 2: actually show anything out of the ordinary. And even though
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Speaker 2: they show time right up until the time Nancy Guthrie disappears,
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Speaker 2: and they show time after Nancy Guthrie is gone, the
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Speaker 2: time period in question where we believe she was kidnapped
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Speaker 2: and taken from her home. No pictures or video from
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Speaker 2: that time. There are pictures of people that are walking
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Speaker 2: around the swimming pool area in the backyard, and if
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Speaker 2: you remember, the FBI investigators spent a lot of time
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Speaker 2: around the pool. They looked along the edge of the
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Speaker 2: pool and in the area around it, spent a lot
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Speaker 2: a lot of time out there. Now we've got pictures
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Speaker 2: documenting who was out there, but by the way, only
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Speaker 2: up until the time Nancy Guthrie went missing and after
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Speaker 2: the time she was reported missing, So we've got a
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Speaker 2: blackout of video and pictures that we don't see anything
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Speaker 2: we actually believe it or not. Have pictures of police
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Speaker 2: officers who arrive and do the initial investigation just after
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Speaker 2: twelve noon, the day she's reported missing, but we have
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Speaker 2: nothing for the preceding twelve hours or even more than that,
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Speaker 2: So there's like a blackout of that time period that's
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Speaker 2: been the biggest news. And there are people seen in pictures.
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Speaker 2: There are pictures, people seen in videos, but none of
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Speaker 2: this is going to be released to the public, as
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Speaker 2: law enforcement says, has nothing to do with the case.
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Speaker 2: So whether or not we ever see these pictures, I
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Speaker 2: don't know. We'll have to just wait and see. But
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Speaker 2: there has been other activities surrounding the Nancy Guthrie case.
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Speaker 2: There's as always, there's so many rumors. It gets really
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Speaker 2: crazy at certain times. But the cameras that are on
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Speaker 2: top of the house and around the house are really
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Speaker 2: the biggest important part of the investigation right now. The
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Speaker 2: other part that we have talked about the Wi fi,
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Speaker 2: the WiFi jammer. Okay, because we do have like a
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Speaker 2: blackout period around the time Nancy Guthrie disappears. The time
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Speaker 2: she vanishes, it's like from you know, one forty five
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Speaker 2: to two thirty am.
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Speaker 3: Wi Fi goes down in her house.
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Speaker 2: We also have the next door neighbor behind her house. Okay,
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Speaker 2: there's a house that actually faces their front yard faces
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Speaker 2: Nancy Guthrie's backyard.
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Speaker 3: In swimming Pool area.
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Speaker 2: Well, those are the people who actually said their dog
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Speaker 2: started acting up that night around two thirty in the morning.
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Speaker 2: This is a dog that doesn't bark at nice leaps
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Speaker 2: through the night, doesn't cause any problems, and that when
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Speaker 2: they went and checked their video feed to see, Hey,
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Speaker 2: what's going on out there?
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Speaker 3: Why is our dog barking?
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Speaker 2: The dog was barking towards Nancy Guthrie's backyard, and none
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Speaker 2: of their doorbell cameras, their actual security cameras would connect
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Speaker 2: with the Internet. Now they have four cameras, two facing
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Speaker 2: towards Nancy Guthrie's house and two facing the front of
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Speaker 2: their own house. The two facing the front of their
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Speaker 2: own house worked just fine, no problem there. It was
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Speaker 2: the two cameras that were pointed towards the backyard of
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Speaker 2: Nancy Guthrie. Those were the cameras that would not connect
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Speaker 2: to Wi Fi, would not connect to the Internet, so
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Speaker 2: they didn't get any kind of signal from what was
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Speaker 2: taking place between two and two thirty in the morning.
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Speaker 3: But their dog was going crazy.
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Speaker 2: So that's another of the things that were actually spending
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Speaker 2: time on today. But just a quick review, Nancy, We've
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Speaker 2: got thumbnail pictures and video from the FBI that they're
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Speaker 2: not going to give to us. They have them in
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Speaker 2: thumbnail form. I don't know why that is, but they're
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Speaker 2: not going to show them to us, as they say
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Speaker 2: they do show people before. Nancy Guthrie disappearance walking around
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Speaker 2: the backyard and in the driveway, and they showed time after,
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Speaker 2: but none of the time in question between say one
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Speaker 2: thirty am and two forty five am. Nothing from that
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Speaker 2: time period shows up on these new video slash pictures
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Speaker 2: that the FBI is presenting.
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Speaker 3: Also Nancy.
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Speaker 2: The Uber driver that picked up Nancy Guthrie picked her
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Speaker 2: up at five point thirty two pm and was taking
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Speaker 2: Nancy from her home to her daughter, Annie Guthrie's home.
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Speaker 2: It's not a long drive, It's a ten minute drive,
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Speaker 2: you know. But immediately after this case broke, Sheriff's department
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Speaker 2: sat down with the driver. They interviewed the driver of
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Speaker 2: the Uber. The Uber driver turned over all the video
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Speaker 2: from inside the vehicle. This was looked at by the investigation.
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Speaker 2: They found nothing of substance of anything of Nancy Guthrie
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Speaker 2: in the vehicle. Anything she said, her demeanor, nothing was mentioned.
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Speaker 2: They interviewed the Uber driver at length and again there
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Speaker 2: was nothing to report. It was just a regular pickup
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Speaker 2: and drop off. Remember Guthrie only took the Uber leaving
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Speaker 2: her house and going to Annie and Tomaso. Annie and Tomaso,
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Speaker 2: a family member dropped Nancy Guthrie off at nine forty eight,
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Speaker 2: So that's the tie up there. But again, the uber
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Speaker 2: driver video has been given to law enforcement, they haven't
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Speaker 2: released it to the public.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to Scott Iiker joining US Digital for instance,
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Speaker 1: expert founding member of the FBI Cellular Analysis Survey Team
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Speaker 1: who has taken an integral role in the search for
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Speaker 1: Nancy Guthrie now at Precision Cellular Analysis, Scott Aiker, what
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Speaker 1: do you make of it?
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Speaker 4: Well, Nancy, the video that they can get from Uber
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Speaker 4: drivers not only faces the passenger, but also faces the
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Speaker 4: direction of where the cars going. These are all things
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Speaker 4: that we have learned that can be helpful to investigations.
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Speaker 4: We've we've had murder cases where we've uh, you know,
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Speaker 4: tracked a phone or something or a car into the
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Speaker 4: area of the of the homicide and we were able
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Speaker 4: to pick up, you know, from the uber's cameras, faces
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Speaker 4: of people as they were walking by license plates of
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Speaker 4: vehicles that are in the area. So initially, when we
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Speaker 4: think about this Uber driver, it's just a a arrived
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Speaker 4: from Missus Guthrie's house to Annie's house. That's not the
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Speaker 4: time of the crime. So maybe, as they said, this
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Speaker 4: is not related to the case, and it's not very helpful,
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Speaker 4: but if you think about it, we've always got to
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Speaker 4: think about what other cameras were being are in the
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Speaker 4: area at the time that Missus Guthrie went missing or
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Speaker 4: before you know, when there was daylight, or when she
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Speaker 4: was coming home, stuff like that, because there are cameras
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Speaker 4: and cars that are passing through. So these are very
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Speaker 4: important things to make sure that we get. Like the
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Speaker 4: Uber driver that we got that took her to Andy's
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Speaker 4: house not relevant as we can figure out at this point,
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Speaker 4: but other cameras passing through that area in cars.
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Speaker 2: What about the images from Nancy's cameras before and after
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Speaker 2: the abduction, but not the day of what could possibly
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Speaker 2: have happened that would prevent us from having those pictures.
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Speaker 4: If you remember back when we first got the porch
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Speaker 4: camera guy video, that was a big deal because Cast
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Speaker 4: had really worked hard with the Nest group, which is
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Speaker 4: actually Google. Google owns Nest, and we got them to
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Speaker 4: dig back through all that data to try to find
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Speaker 4: anything that those captures those cameras had sent to Google,
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Speaker 4: and we knew it wasn't preserved because he didn't have
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Speaker 4: a prescription, but we were able to see that Google,
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Speaker 4: we'll still had the data. It hadn't been deleted yet,
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Speaker 4: so we got those images of the guy walking forward
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Speaker 4: to the camera on the front porch. Well, I think,
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Speaker 4: and this is a speculation that we've just kept pushing Google. Hey,
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Speaker 4: you've got to see if there's other cameras. We need
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Speaker 4: more information from those cameras. This is what we all
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Speaker 4: we have really right, other than DNA that we're waiting for,
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Speaker 4: cameras are the best thing that we have at this
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Speaker 4: point in time. So I think they push Google really
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Speaker 4: hard to go back and look at other camera information.
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Speaker 4: At this point, all they were able to get is
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Speaker 4: these thumbnail photos, very small if you know what a
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Speaker 4: thumbnail is, very small photos, and they're just around specific times.
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Speaker 4: You know, we do know that it's at the daylight
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Speaker 4: and not at night. We know it's around the pool,
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Speaker 4: we know it's around the backyard and the sideyard. All
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Speaker 4: would have been very helpful if we had those thumbnails
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Speaker 4: pictures at the time of the But there was a
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Speaker 4: blackout during that time, or at least some sort of blackout.
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Speaker 4: Either there was the suspected Wi Fi jammer that the
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Speaker 4: suspect had, which could be a you know, a viable
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Speaker 4: option if he's that smart. And second, it could have
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Speaker 4: been just an internet outage during that timeframe for the neighborhood.
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Speaker 4: We also know that there was, as you mentioned, the
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Speaker 4: dog barking and the cameras from the house behind Nancy's
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Speaker 4: unable to get any video during that timeframe, So that
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Speaker 4: could all indicate either a blackout, a Wi Fi jammer,
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Speaker 4: or just bad luck. You know, it sure would have
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Speaker 4: been nice to have additional images of things going around
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Speaker 4: the house at that time.
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Speaker 2: Could the lack of images or lack of information during
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Speaker 2: this blackout period help with the timeline.
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Speaker 4: Yes, it can in that aspect, we see, you know,
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Speaker 4: things happening, we don't know what time's going on, especially
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Speaker 4: with that porch camera, right, we don't There was no
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Speaker 4: time frames or time stamps on that porch camera, so
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Speaker 4: we don't know when that guy was walking up the
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Speaker 4: first time with the backpack or when that extra picture
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Speaker 4: we had of him without the backpack. We don't know
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Speaker 4: when that happened. We suspected it's obviously on the night
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Speaker 4: that she went missing, But this blackout time frame could
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Speaker 4: narrow down the times that we see that we can
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Speaker 4: narrow down that when the guys were there, right if
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Speaker 4: there's a blackout or there's you know, just missing data.
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Speaker 4: We see that in guys that are doing robberies. They
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Speaker 4: turn off their phone when they're doing the robbery, but
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Speaker 4: they forget to turn off their phone when they're casing
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Speaker 4: the joint a week ahead of time. So that's a
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Speaker 4: kind of good thing even we get if we get
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Speaker 4: to a point that we're at a jury and we
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Speaker 4: see we can explain to the jury, hey, this is
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Speaker 4: why we know this timeframe they were there because they've
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Speaker 4: blacked out the.
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Speaker 5: Wi Fi.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace joining us now over now
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Speaker 1: psychoanalyst doctor Bethany Marshall. She is joining from the LA Jurisdiction.
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Speaker 1: She is the author of deal Breakers. You can see
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Speaker 1: her now on Peacock and find her at doctor Bethany
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Speaker 1: Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall. This is a whole
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Speaker 1: other can of worms about what he's wrong with people.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how many times I say that every day.
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Speaker 1: But Savannah, our friend from way back when when we
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Speaker 1: were together at Court TV, is being attacked because she
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Speaker 1: has visited her work family at the Today Show and
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Speaker 1: there are rumblings she's going to go back to work.
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Speaker 1: Just remind her she has two little children. I think
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Speaker 1: they're eight and ten by now, living in New York,
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Speaker 1: and she has to leave them in order to be
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Speaker 1: in Arizona looking for her mother. So that's another layer
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Speaker 1: of reason, not that she needs a reason to go
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Speaker 1: back to work. Hey, why are people attacking her? And
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Speaker 1: b what do you make of her decision to go
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Speaker 1: back to work. I'm for it, Nancy.
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Speaker 6: I think they're attacking her because they have basic envy
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Speaker 6: towards her. She's beautiful, she's lovely, she's kind, she's surrounded
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Speaker 6: by siblings who love her, she has a big career,
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Speaker 6: she has a family, and that stirs up a lot
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Speaker 6: of envy and hatred and people who feel they cannot
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Speaker 6: make good lives for themselves. So I believe that they're
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Speaker 6: looking for any tiny little thing, any chink in the armor,
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Speaker 6: you know, as long as she's crying on TV, and
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Speaker 6: then they feel, well, she's one of us, right, She's normal,
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Speaker 6: she cries, she has tears like we do, and I
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Speaker 6: don't feel that she's better than them. But then when
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Speaker 6: she goes back to an eight year old, a ten
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Speaker 6: year old an incredible work, family, an incredible career. All
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Speaker 6: of a sudden, they might think, Wow, she has a bigger,
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Speaker 6: better life. I am going to attack her. What am
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Speaker 6: I going to attack her for? She left mommy? That's it.
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Speaker 6: And if it wasn't that, they would be attacking her
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Speaker 6: for something else.
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Speaker 1: What about this, doctor Bethany. The aspect of schadenfreud where
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Speaker 1: you take joy and somebody else is suffering. I think,
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Speaker 1: of course, I'm not a shrink like you. The part
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Speaker 1: of that is you think up reasons. I find this
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Speaker 1: in regarding crime victims. People say, critics say when they're
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Speaker 1: victim blaming, well, I would never go jogging in a
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Speaker 1: jogging bra. I would never go jogging at nine o'clock
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Speaker 1: at night. I would never wear a short skirt and
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Speaker 1: a bar. I would never drink by myself. I mean,
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Speaker 1: the list is endless because it makes them the critic,
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Speaker 1: feel protected, like that horrible thing will never happen to
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Speaker 1: me because she or hey fill in the blank. It's
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Speaker 1: very odd the victim blaming to make yourself feel more secure.
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Speaker 1: There's that, and then there's the schadenfreud, which is taking
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Speaker 1: joy and glee and somebody else's suffering. So how does
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Speaker 1: that play into the way people are trading Savannah.
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Speaker 6: Well, if you take pleasure in somebody else's suffering, you
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Speaker 6: can say it's not me, that's the not me, that's
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Speaker 6: somebody else that will never happen to me, And it
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Speaker 6: will never happen to me because I would never just
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Speaker 6: go out jogging in shorts. I think you're right, there's
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Speaker 6: creating a sense of the world is a safe place.
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Speaker 6: If you don't wear shorts when you go out jogging,
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Speaker 6: then you won't be raped, you won't be hurt. But
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Speaker 6: I think about Savannah Guthrie, she has created an empire
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Speaker 6: and she's kind of like the girl next door. I mean,
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Speaker 6: she's very lovable, she's very straightforward. I know she's a
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Speaker 6: friend of yours. And when we human beings attack another person,
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Speaker 6: it's related to loss of faith in the self. And
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Speaker 6: what I mean by that is if we feel that
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Speaker 6: we can have a big career, we can have children,
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Speaker 6: we can have a husband, we can create the things
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Speaker 6: that we want in our life, then we don't have
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Speaker 6: to be angry at somebody else for having it. But
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Speaker 6: if we've lost faith in ourselves, we have to tear
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Speaker 6: everybody around us down. And hope that they'll be like
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Speaker 6: at the bottom of the pit, worse than us.
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Speaker 1: Well, the way you phrase that is kind of scary,
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Speaker 1: but it has the ring of truth to it. I
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Speaker 1: want to tell you what happened Dr Beth, and I
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Speaker 1: may have told you this before. My fiance was killed
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Speaker 1: when I was in college, shortly before our wedding. He
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Speaker 1: was murdered. Years later, of course, I dropped out of school.
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Speaker 1: I had been studying English literature to teach at a
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Speaker 1: college level or university level, to teach Shakespeare in literature,
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Speaker 1: and that dream was destroyed. I ultimately went back to
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Speaker 1: school and as you know, onto law school to be
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Speaker 1: a victim's rights advocate. Years later, of course, I prosecuted
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Speaker 1: for three years. I was a FED for three years,
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Speaker 1: and then as a violent crime prosecutor in intercity Atlanta
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Speaker 1: for over ten years. Well after that, go with me.
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Speaker 1: The time frame is important. I ultimately go to court, TV,
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Speaker 1: then CNN's Chile n This all took years, years in
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Speaker 1: the works. Okay. I flew down from New York to
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Speaker 1: Atlanta to visit my family, and I had taped that night.
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Speaker 1: Live wasn't tape, it was Live Our Hill in show
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Speaker 1: I hadn't eaten since the day before dinner. So I
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Speaker 1: met members that guests like yourself, that we're here in Atlanta,
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Speaker 1: that had been on the program that evening. By now
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Speaker 1: it's like, I don't know, nine point thirty pm. And
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Speaker 1: we went out for cajun, and I was saying, if
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Speaker 1: somebody said something funny, I started laughing. A guy that
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Speaker 1: I didn't recognize came over to our table, Bethany, and said,
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Speaker 1: I'm a friend of Keith. You're dead, Beyonce, And I
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Speaker 1: don't think it's right that you're sitting here laughing after
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Speaker 1: all the suffering and the pain, all those years of
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Speaker 1: reliving Keith's murder and that. And when I see people
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Speaker 1: online attacking Savannah because she might go home to her
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Speaker 1: children and she might try to resume her life, it's evil, Bethany.
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Speaker 1: Why are they doing that to her?
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Speaker 6: I think again, as I keep saying the idea, let's
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Speaker 6: think about you eating cajun and you're enjoying yourself, and
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Speaker 6: that the person that says, I don't think you should
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Speaker 6: be laughing because I know your fiance died, can not
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Speaker 6: imagine that you work through the grief. You've transformed it
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Speaker 6: into your life's work. And by the way, you haven't
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Speaker 6: gone too far from your roots, because everything we talk
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Speaker 6: about on this show is Shakespearean. So you're still doing
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Speaker 6: the same thing you set out to do. But that
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Speaker 6: person does not have the did not have the capacity
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Speaker 6: to imagine that you're surrounded by loving family, perhaps you're
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Speaker 6: starting to date, you have a warm community. You have
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Speaker 6: the capacity to recover, Nancy. We all have the capacity
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Speaker 6: to recover from almost anything, whether it's being molested as
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Speaker 6: a child, being abused. We can transform those experiences into
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Speaker 6: a very wonderful, meaningful life, especially if we have have
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Speaker 6: good community and good attachment systems. And for this guy
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Speaker 6: to see you know, you're sitting there with a group
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Speaker 6: of people and you're laughing and you're enjoying your life,
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Speaker 6: he might have I keep going back to basic envy.
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Speaker 6: He might have been envious at the fact that you
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Speaker 6: knew how to live.
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Speaker 5: A good life.
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Speaker 6: He may have known that you were on hl Land
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Speaker 6: or known that you were on TV, and that that
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Speaker 6: stirred up resentment in him.
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Speaker 1: I know there's not a right or wrong answer, but
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Speaker 1: how First of all, I believe that keeping yourself busy
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Speaker 1: when you're you know, slipping into a morass when you
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Speaker 1: feel yourself going into a depression. I'm a believer in activity,
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Speaker 1: in doing something positive. Get up and go, change your
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Speaker 1: scenery around you, even if it's just going outside to
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Speaker 1: walk or run, to attack a project, do something other.
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Speaker 1: Don't just sit there. To get your mind beyond where
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Speaker 1: you are. And I think her going back to work
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Speaker 1: is a way to do that. Of course, I'm an Armchairstrik,
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Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about. You can verbalize it
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Speaker 1: much better. And of course being with her children. I
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Speaker 1: can't imagine her being away from her family this long
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Speaker 1: and what it must be doing to her.
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Speaker 6: Nancy. Those children have needs. Okay, they are vulnerable, just
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Speaker 6: like her mother was vulnerable. And there are millions of
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Speaker 6: families throughout the United States, many of whom are watching
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Speaker 6: your show tonight, who have children with needs and an
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Speaker 6: aging parent. Look, you have that in your own home.
21:39
Speaker 6: You have teenagers who have needs, and you have your
21:42
Speaker 6: mother living there and she has needs too. But a
21:46
Speaker 6: part of being a good parent to young kids or
21:50
Speaker 6: in your case, teenagers, is that you balance the needs.
21:54
Speaker 6: I once saw a patient whose mother had a stroke,
21:57
Speaker 6: and she became so anxious about the mother's stroke that
22:01
Speaker 6: she sat day and night beside the mother's bed, crying, weep,
22:05
Speaker 6: being wailing, missed her own children's high school graduation, did
22:10
Speaker 6: not take pictures for them at their prom. She was
22:13
Speaker 6: so preoccupied with the mother's health. She had sort of
22:16
Speaker 6: a mommy complex that she neglected her own children. We
22:19
Speaker 6: don't want Savannah.
22:20
Speaker 1: To be like that.
22:21
Speaker 6: She has to balance everything, just as you do and
22:25
Speaker 6: millions of other parents do.
22:28
Speaker 1: And you know, the demands, well, not really demands, because,
22:32
Speaker 1: believe it or not, my twins they never really ask
22:36
Speaker 1: for anything, you know, like objects. But there's a constant
22:43
Speaker 1: pool and I don't know how you can art. Well,
22:45
Speaker 1: we've been sitting here. Lucy just texted me, mom urgent,
22:49
Speaker 1: I need a photo of me dress as a banana
22:51
Speaker 1: and me at a fire pit. I don't know what
22:55
Speaker 1: that means. But that said, it's like constant. I don't
22:59
Speaker 1: know how you turn that off. So how will Savannah
23:02
Speaker 1: be able to do this emotionally and mentally, to sit
23:06
Speaker 1: on the Today Show with millions of people watching her,
23:11
Speaker 1: keep herself composed and ask people questions about their book
23:15
Speaker 1: and her recipe and politics and world news and everything
23:18
Speaker 1: that's happening in the world. How do you I compartmentalize,
23:23
Speaker 1: probably in an unhealthy way, but it's the only way
23:25
Speaker 1: I can do it. How what do you advise her
23:29
Speaker 1: to do well?
23:30
Speaker 6: First of all, fifty percent of people who return to
23:33
Speaker 6: work after a break anticipate that it will be a
23:36
Speaker 6: negative experience, and one in three develops some kind of
23:40
Speaker 6: a mental or psychiatric issue initially because the cognitive load
23:45
Speaker 6: is so so much. So when you take a break
23:48
Speaker 6: from work, often it's because you're not doing very well,
23:51
Speaker 6: you have a medical leave, your doctor's written you out
23:55
Speaker 6: because you have a major depressive episode, or maybe on
23:57
Speaker 6: a positive note, you have a baby, so you have
24:00
Speaker 6: to take a maternal leave. So when you go back
24:03
Speaker 6: into that work environment, you have this huge cognitive load
24:07
Speaker 6: of doing your job and being away from a more
24:11
Speaker 6: relaxed atmosphere will maybe not having a baby may not
24:14
Speaker 6: be more relaxed, but maybe where you've been at home
24:17
Speaker 6: or you've been on a vacation. So what I would
24:19
Speaker 6: advise for Savannah is that she reintegrates slowly, like have
24:25
Speaker 6: an RWP, a return to work plan, which is very common.
24:29
Speaker 6: I would advise that she set up what we call
24:32
Speaker 6: safe zones when someone reintegrates back into work, meaning that
24:36
Speaker 6: she's able to close her office door, she's able to
24:40
Speaker 6: maybe when the makeup artist is doing her makeup, that
24:43
Speaker 6: the makeup artist is instructed not to like jabber on,
24:47
Speaker 6: to let Savannah have her own thoughts and Nancy, you know,
24:51
Speaker 6: because of the work you do, and I used to
24:53
Speaker 6: be on Good Morning America for about ten years as
24:56
Speaker 6: a psychological expert, the host has to integrate a huge
25:03
Speaker 6: amount of information and be able to talk about it knowledgeably. Sometimes,
25:08
Speaker 6: you know, the PA or the assistant will give them
25:10
Speaker 6: several articles to read and then they have to hold
25:14
Speaker 6: on to that and make a story out of it
25:17
Speaker 6: and ask the appropriate questions. And she's going to be
25:20
Speaker 6: preoccupied with her mother, So I would say that she
25:24
Speaker 6: would have to cover stories that are a little bit easier,
25:28
Speaker 6: like you said, baking recipes, And certainly she should stay
25:32
Speaker 6: away from covering any kind of story that has to
25:35
Speaker 6: do with abductions, crime, missing persons, because that's going to
25:39
Speaker 6: retrigger the trauma.
25:41
Speaker 1: Well, you know, Savannah is not just an on air
25:44
Speaker 1: reading a prompter. She's a lawyer and really really intelligent,
25:54
Speaker 1: So I don't see her shying away from very intricate
25:58
Speaker 1: stories tell stories.
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Speaker 5: I just.
26:04
Speaker 1: I hate that people are attacking her for going back
26:07
Speaker 1: to work when that may be something that helps her
26:11
Speaker 1: compartmentalize and move forward. Well. One way that Savannah could
26:18
Speaker 1: be consoled is if we could crack the case and
26:22
Speaker 1: give her answers. Doctor Bethany, thank you. In light of
26:27
Speaker 1: the fact that Pema County sheriffs are releasing so little
26:32
Speaker 1: information regarding the investigation into the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie,
26:38
Speaker 1: online conspiracy theorists and beyond have been reduced to coming
26:42
Speaker 1: up with their own solutions as to where is missus Guthrie.
26:46
Speaker 1: Let's start with the reality TV crew did it?
26:50
Speaker 7: Here's my Nancy Guthrie conspiracy theory. So I heard earlier
26:54
Speaker 7: today that the Pima County Sheriff's office was involved with
27:00
Speaker 7: a reality TV crew. It was a show about Pema County.
27:04
Speaker 1: I think that.
27:05
Speaker 7: The reality TV people are involved in one of two ways.
27:09
Speaker 7: They got down there and realized that the Pema County
27:11
Speaker 7: Sheriff's office is not interesting enough to make a reality
27:14
Speaker 7: TV show about. So either they were going to go
27:18
Speaker 7: a long way to create some drama, or the sheriff
27:21
Speaker 7: was going to go on the long way to crink some drama.
27:25
Speaker 1: See. I could watch her all day long, all day
27:28
Speaker 1: and wonder about what's going on in her head. That's
27:31
Speaker 1: a very unique theory. That is from Veronica and the
27:34
Speaker 1: Baby Boo on TikTok. I think I need a shrink,
27:38
Speaker 1: a shrink and a drink, but since I don't drink,
27:41
Speaker 1: I'll have to go with just the shrink. Joining us
27:44
Speaker 1: renowned psychoanalyst out of the LA jurisdiction, Doctor Bethany Marshall,
27:49
Speaker 1: author of deal Breakers. You can see her now on
27:52
Speaker 1: Peacock and find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.
27:56
Speaker 1: Dr Bethany, I understand the reticence for admitting you're a
28:01
Speaker 1: fan of certain reality TV shows, but to blame them
28:04
Speaker 1: from Miss Guthrie's disappearance.
28:06
Speaker 6: Well, you know, conspiracy theorists almost always believe that there's
28:10
Speaker 6: some nefarious group that has banded together for some secret purpose.
28:15
Speaker 6: But in this case, with this woman, she believes she
28:18
Speaker 6: has some superior or unique way of looking at the situation.
28:22
Speaker 6: It's also based on something called confirmation bias Nancy. Confirmation
28:27
Speaker 6: bias is when you develop an idea and then you
28:31
Speaker 6: keep looking for data to confirm that idea. So she
28:35
Speaker 6: may have had, you know, woken up some morning with
28:37
Speaker 6: this little idea in her head that there was a
28:39
Speaker 6: reality TV show that they were concocting, and then she
28:43
Speaker 6: keeps looking for clues to bump up her theory and
28:48
Speaker 6: to convince herself she's.
28:50
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, you know what, you pointed out something very interesting.
28:56
Speaker 1: Once you get hell bent on a theory, then suddenly
29:02
Speaker 1: you find yourself making all the facts fit into your theory.
29:06
Speaker 1: Now we're showing you Desert Law from A and E,
29:09
Speaker 1: and I assume that is the reality show she's talking about.
29:12
Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, she'll be blaming the Kardashians. But
29:16
Speaker 1: I will have to give her this, Bethany. It is
29:18
Speaker 1: an unfortunate turn of events that the Pima County Sheriff's
29:22
Speaker 1: Office is involved in a reality show in the midst
29:26
Speaker 1: of the search for Nancy Guthrie. So I understand Veronica
29:30
Speaker 1: and the Baby Booze concern. Okay, here's another one, blaming
29:36
Speaker 1: a quote Seemi famous EDM house music person. What is EDM.
29:43
Speaker 1: It's kind of a high energy electronic subgenre of dance music.
29:51
Speaker 1: It's a repetitive four on the floor beat anyway, listen.
29:58
Speaker 8: I think a semi famous EDM house music person is
30:07
Speaker 8: the one who took Nancy Guthrie because of the location
30:13
Speaker 8: of where they were the night before and the night
30:16
Speaker 8: into the kidnapping. Also, a video from twenty seventeen on
30:21
Speaker 8: their Facebook page is the exact gloves.
30:26
Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany help me. That's from Carissa unmasked on TikTok.
30:31
Speaker 1: Have you ever had a client I've had this happen
30:34
Speaker 1: in court where somebody looks really really intelligent and they
30:39
Speaker 1: act very intelligent, and they are articulate, and they look
30:44
Speaker 1: you in the face and they emphasize the right words
30:46
Speaker 1: and they are crazy.
30:49
Speaker 6: Yes, because this tendency towards believing in conspiracy theories is
30:55
Speaker 6: associated with a personal desire to feel superior, to feel unique,
31:01
Speaker 6: to feel above everybody else. So these people tend to
31:04
Speaker 6: be very we think of narcissism. They tend to be
31:07
Speaker 6: very kind of grandiose, charming, beautiful. They tend to put
31:11
Speaker 6: themselves together so they could be very convincing Nancy. They
31:15
Speaker 6: actually believe their own lives. And when we think of
31:19
Speaker 6: the EDM and confirmation bias, let's say maybe she's involved
31:23
Speaker 6: in the dance world. Maybe she's a musician, maybe she
31:26
Speaker 6: likes nightlife, so she has just enough data to pull
31:30
Speaker 6: her theories together and make them sound quite convincing.
31:36
Speaker 1: There is the famous quote that a little power is
31:39
Speaker 1: a dangerous thing, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Okay,
31:43
Speaker 1: now here, we're going into an alternate universe, Doctor Bethany,
31:48
Speaker 1: an alternate universe where only this TikToker knows that Nancy
31:52
Speaker 1: Guthrie has already been found and that we're just playing
31:56
Speaker 1: out some kind of drama on the air.
31:59
Speaker 9: Listen, Has anyone else experienced this Mendel effect yet?
32:03
Speaker 5: Cause I feel like I'm going crazy.
32:05
Speaker 9: I thought that Nancy got there, was found because we
32:11
Speaker 9: have this TV in the lobby.
32:12
Speaker 5: Here, it's always on the news.
32:14
Speaker 9: That's the only time that I ever watched the news,
32:16
Speaker 9: and like, I don't even really watch it.
32:18
Speaker 5: It's just kind of background noise.
32:20
Speaker 10: And when I was here, I remember hearing them say, oh,
32:27
Speaker 10: you know, she's a little shaken up, she's a little scared,
32:31
Speaker 10: but she's safe, And those are the exact words I.
32:33
Speaker 5: Remember them saying.
32:34
Speaker 9: And I look up and I'm like, oh cool, they
32:36
Speaker 9: found her, and they're like, yeah.
32:37
Speaker 5: She's been found. She's scared.
32:40
Speaker 9: She's safe though, and everyone was happy, and I was like, Oh,
32:44
Speaker 9: this is so great.
32:45
Speaker 5: And then I.
32:48
Speaker 9: Come back the next day and I see on the
32:50
Speaker 9: TV that it said, oh, they're putting out a reward
32:53
Speaker 9: and she hasn't been found yet. There's been no updates,
32:55
Speaker 9: blah blah blah, and I'm like, oh, it must be
32:57
Speaker 9: an old like an older episode of whatever this is,
33:03
Speaker 9: and it's just rerunning that news segment and they were
33:06
Speaker 9: I was like waiting for them to cut to like, oh, yeah,
33:10
Speaker 9: but now you know, we found her and it never happened.
33:14
Speaker 5: And I google it and she still has not been found.
33:18
Speaker 1: That's horror, mommy on TikTok, and I want to clear
33:22
Speaker 1: something up. I don't necessarily think these TikTokers are crazy.
33:26
Speaker 1: I think that they have grabbed a thread of the
33:29
Speaker 1: facts and they have started to unravel it in their
33:33
Speaker 1: own way. Now, my point of discussing this with you
33:37
Speaker 1: is doctor Bethany, that this is just a tiny taste
33:41
Speaker 1: of what the nine one one dispatchers are dealing with.
33:44
Speaker 1: When they said, please don't send us your theories, your
33:47
Speaker 1: premonitions for Pete's sake, definitely not your premonitions. Or your questions.
33:53
Speaker 1: They don't want that, they don't want to hear this. Also,
33:57
Speaker 1: the fact that we have so little makes people they
34:02
Speaker 1: want to seek justice. They want to find Nancy Guthrie.
34:05
Speaker 1: So I think our Horror Mommy on TikTok what she
34:11
Speaker 1: actually heard was part of the ransom note that was
34:15
Speaker 1: sent to Harvey Levin at TMZ that said she's alive,
34:19
Speaker 1: she's shaken up, she's scared. Now gimme bitcoin right. I
34:24
Speaker 1: think that's what she heard and extrapolated into she's fine,
34:31
Speaker 1: okay before he passed judgment on Horror Mommy on TikTok.
34:35
Speaker 1: Here's the person that thinks Savannah Guthrie, our old friend
34:40
Speaker 1: from Court TV now the Today Show host, that Savannah
34:45
Speaker 1: is being hell hostage.
34:46
Speaker 11: Nancy Guthrie is kidnapping that I thought this is more
34:49
Speaker 11: than about money, more than about a ransom. I felt
34:52
Speaker 11: like Savannah Guthrie was being held hostage by people, and
34:55
Speaker 11: I think it has to do with her husband at
34:56
Speaker 11: FGS Global. It used to be Glover Park. He he's
35:01
Speaker 11: been a DC fixer for the Clintons. General portray us.
35:03
Speaker 11: It was in the Epstein files of all things, and
35:06
Speaker 11: it's just no coincidence that a day after the biggest
35:09
Speaker 11: Epstein file drop that her mom gets kidnapped. Let's go
35:12
Speaker 11: through it and see what we've seen. In my last video,
35:16
Speaker 11: I compared two photos which the FBI has said is
35:19
Speaker 11: from the night of the kidnapping. On the right is
35:22
Speaker 11: one that we're very familiar with, and you can see
35:23
Speaker 11: how the light is very bright, the moon is out.
35:25
Speaker 11: It is the snow moon. It was ninety nine percent
35:28
Speaker 11: illuminated at one forty seven to two thirty am. It
35:31
Speaker 11: was peaking at three nine AM. On the left, a
35:34
Speaker 11: photo is included. It was pitch black because the moon
35:37
Speaker 11: was not out. This photo was taken probably three weeks prior,
35:40
Speaker 11: between January ninth and January eleventh. And I have a
35:43
Speaker 11: question why did the FBI put that photo in with
35:46
Speaker 11: the rest of these photos in their tweets. And as
35:49
Speaker 11: much as I love the comments, he's not wearing the
35:51
Speaker 11: same thing these nights. He's got no backpack, no gun.
35:54
Speaker 11: The shoes are different, the jacket is different, the face
35:57
Speaker 11: mask seems different. It's a different night, different clothes. Probably
36:01
Speaker 11: the same guy because the build looks the same.
36:04
Speaker 1: Actually, common sense, gay on TikTok ain't half wrong, and
36:10
Speaker 1: Nanos could have used him at the get go when
36:13
Speaker 1: Nano's was suggesting that both of these videos were on
36:16
Speaker 1: the same evening and when not confirmed, they were in
36:19
Speaker 1: fact different evenings. I, however, do not believe that Nancy
36:25
Speaker 1: guthries kidnapping has anything to do with Savannah Guthrie's husband
36:28
Speaker 1: what he does for a living. Savannah absolutely is not
36:32
Speaker 1: being held hostage. Okay, Bethany, this is one you may
36:36
Speaker 1: need to step in on. Okay, you need to throw
36:39
Speaker 1: this personal lifeline because they really believe that Nancy Guthrie
36:46
Speaker 1: is teleporting. Now, now, hold on one more thing. You
36:49
Speaker 1: heard the last TikToker talking about a snow moon. I
36:52
Speaker 1: had to investigate that, and he's right, it's a moon.
36:55
Speaker 1: It's a Native American phrase for a certain moon comes
36:59
Speaker 1: in fit February typically before it snows. So that guy
37:04
Speaker 1: Commas is gay, has done a lot of research and
37:08
Speaker 1: maybe could help Nanos a little bit. Okay, now I
37:11
Speaker 1: got you have to hear the teleporting theory.
37:14
Speaker 12: I'm not typically a big conspiracy theory person. I like
37:17
Speaker 12: to hear about them, but I don't often actually believe
37:20
Speaker 12: them until I read a comment on my recent Nancy
37:23
Speaker 12: Guthrie video suggesting that Nancy could be teleporting. So this
37:29
Speaker 12: conspiracy is that we can't find Nancy Guthrie because she's
37:32
Speaker 12: actually teleporting, like kind of stranger things vibes. Maybe she's
37:36
Speaker 12: teleporting into the upside down. Maybe she's teleporting to Paris.
37:40
Speaker 5: We don't know.
37:41
Speaker 12: When I read this, I was laughing because like, obviously
37:45
Speaker 12: she's not teleporting. But then the more I think about it,
37:50
Speaker 12: the more I'm like, I don't know, guys, like what
37:55
Speaker 12: if she is teleporting?
37:58
Speaker 1: Okay, I do know, I write Shapiro on TikTok, Nancy
38:01
Speaker 1: Guthy is not teleporting. I just pray to God she's alive.
38:06
Speaker 1: Do you I assume read you read all the Harry Potters.
38:09
Speaker 1: I read every single one to the children, and then
38:12
Speaker 1: we would watch the movie. You know, Harry Potter teleported.
38:15
Speaker 1: It was something called the power of apparition. What is happening?
38:22
Speaker 1: Why are instead of actually trying to help find Nancy,
38:26
Speaker 1: this is happening?
38:28
Speaker 13: Well, you know Nancy.
38:29
Speaker 6: Each of these conspiracy theorists is driven by something slightly different.
38:33
Speaker 6: So the teleporting person basically, she's she has a preference
38:39
Speaker 6: for relying on intuition rather than critical thinking, which may
38:43
Speaker 6: give her a sense of knowing more than others about her.
38:47
Speaker 6: Snow Moon guy, I kind of like this guy. You're right,
38:50
Speaker 6: he has done his homework and he makes some really
38:52
Speaker 6: good points. And Porch guy is, you know, obviously there
38:56
Speaker 6: on different nights. But what I think he's trying to
38:59
Speaker 6: do in all of his intelligence, I think he's trying
39:02
Speaker 6: to put order in a very chaotic situation to find
39:06
Speaker 6: a sense of safe.
39:07
Speaker 1: You know what. I like that theory, doctor Bethany. When
39:10
Speaker 1: you try to make sense of something, you're applying logic
39:13
Speaker 1: to what seemingly is an illogical situation, and you come
39:16
Speaker 1: up with crazy theories. I can't say the same for
39:19
Speaker 1: the teleporting theory. Now, okay, listen to this. It's Nancy Guthrie,
39:24
Speaker 1: eighty four year old Nancy Guthrie's secret lover. Listen my theory.
39:29
Speaker 14: My opinion is that Nancy was abducted by a boyfriend
39:34
Speaker 14: or a friend that is a boy, a man of
39:38
Speaker 14: her own, not an obsession with Savannah, not anything to
39:42
Speaker 14: do with anybody else. But Nancy, I am not an
39:46
Speaker 14: intuitive I'm not anything like that. I don't know anything
39:49
Speaker 14: other people don't know. I just want to speak into
39:52
Speaker 14: the universe that my theory is this is about Nancy
39:56
Speaker 14: and her friend or a boyfriend. Maybe he hired somebody.
40:02
Speaker 1: That is from Abby and Mom TikTok. Dr Bethany Marshall,
40:07
Speaker 1: and I want you to hear this. First of all,
40:09
Speaker 1: there's no indication that Nancy Guthrie had a love interest.
40:13
Speaker 1: Her husband passed away when Savannah was sixteen, as I recall,
40:16
Speaker 1: and I don't believe she was dating anyone. Missus Guthrie
40:21
Speaker 1: couldn't even walk past fifty yards, which makes her you know,
40:25
Speaker 1: it's like to kill a mockingbird, picking on the weakest
40:30
Speaker 1: in our society, taking this mother, this grandmother out of
40:33
Speaker 1: her bed in the middle of the night. That was
40:35
Speaker 1: from Abby and Mom TikTok. But I want you to
40:37
Speaker 1: hear proud shrimper daughter. Her husband, his last name is Filman.
40:44
Speaker 15: He worked for the Clintons that eight years they were
40:47
Speaker 15: in office. Okay, he started a company but called Grover Park.
40:54
Speaker 15: Basically what they were they were scrubbers. They would scrub
40:58
Speaker 15: the Internet of any bad, anything bad that they did
41:03
Speaker 15: not want the public to find out. They would scrape
41:06
Speaker 15: the whole Internet, so where when you did a search,
41:10
Speaker 15: you couldn't find out anything about it, how much you
41:13
Speaker 15: want to bet because the Clintons are going in front
41:17
Speaker 15: of Congress that they struck out to this guy because
41:22
Speaker 15: he was their cleaner.
41:23
Speaker 1: Proud shep her daughter four on TikTok since she's taking
41:27
Speaker 1: a lot of truisms such as, there's testimony going on
41:30
Speaker 1: in front of Congress right now, did the Clintons have
41:33
Speaker 1: their reputations? Let's just say fluffed up a little bit online?
41:37
Speaker 1: Missus Guthrie is missing. Savannah's husband works for this firm
41:41
Speaker 1: and puts it all together in kind of like a collage.
41:46
Speaker 6: But also, Nancy, there's an understandable wish for security and safety.
41:50
Speaker 6: A lot of people are suspicious of the government, and
41:53
Speaker 6: so she feels she's a part of a special group
41:56
Speaker 6: people who know what's happening in the government. And because
42:00
Speaker 6: she knows, she has again put her world in order.
42:04
Speaker 6: So horror, mommy, remember the Mandela effect. That's a whole
42:08
Speaker 6: other group of people who believes that time can bend.
42:11
Speaker 13: So she's a.
42:12
Speaker 6: Part of that group, which gives her a sense of safety,
42:16
Speaker 6: security and belonging. They want to rely on their own
42:19
Speaker 6: intuition because it puts themselves at the center of their
42:23
Speaker 6: own world. And lastly, Nancy the woman who believed that
42:27
Speaker 6: Nancy Guthrie was taken by a boyfriend or a husband.
42:31
Speaker 6: I saw a little girl with some wishful thinking that
42:33
Speaker 6: mommy and daddy are together, or she's she's having you know,
42:37
Speaker 6: she's having a romantic getaway somewhere like kind of trying
42:40
Speaker 6: to turn something really horrible and tragic into something hopeful
42:44
Speaker 6: and optimistic, which is, you know, at the end of
42:47
Speaker 6: the day, it's a very disturbed way of thinking, but
42:49
Speaker 6: you can see the wish embedded in the theory that
42:53
Speaker 6: it's really better than we.
42:55
Speaker 5: Know it is.
42:56
Speaker 1: Okay, we've all, if you've looked online, if you've about
43:00
Speaker 1: the case, know that a private plane took off from
43:04
Speaker 1: nearby Nancy Guthries's home on the night that she is kidnapped. Okay,
43:10
Speaker 1: here is a TikToker that took that tidbit of information
43:13
Speaker 1: and turned it into a full blown conspiracy theory.
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Speaker 16: I had heard that there was a flight that left
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Speaker 16: early Sunday morning and went to Port of Iarta, a
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Speaker 16: private plane that left Tucson and went to Portavarta. I
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Speaker 16: just went to flight Aware to make sure that it
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Speaker 16: really was there. And there is a flight that leaves
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Speaker 16: at four fifty am to Porta Varta. That plane had
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Speaker 16: gotten to Tucson the night before at five thirty three.
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Speaker 16: So that's already weird, you know, like leaving at four
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Speaker 16: fifty am to go to Mexico, but the fact that
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Speaker 16: you got in the night before makes that four fifty.
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Speaker 6: Am flight really weird.
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Speaker 16: Anyway, I started digging into this tail number.
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Speaker 6: The tail number is c.
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Speaker 16: Dash gnt Z, and I started looking at the history
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Speaker 16: of where it's been flying to and from. And it's
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Speaker 16: been back and forth, back and forth from February.
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Speaker 6: From February first to.
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Speaker 16: February seventh, it's been back and forth from Portaviarta five times.
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Speaker 1: That's from Lindsay rust Purper on TikTok. And I am
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Speaker 1: not even going to throw a stone at Lindsay Rustpurper
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Speaker 1: on TikTok. Our research team could use this girl. Okay,
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Speaker 1: did you see how much research she put into that
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Speaker 1: private plane? Hey, I'm fine with her. I want you
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Speaker 1: to hear this one that the disappearance of Nancy Guthrie
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Speaker 1: is really just a big distraction, so we don't think
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Speaker 1: about other things like the Epstein files. And Iran, guess
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Speaker 1: what I'm thinking about all of that?
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Speaker 17: Am I the only one who feels like the surge
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Speaker 17: of media surrounding Nancy Guthrie is a distraction of some sort.
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Speaker 17: Like you know how in two thousand and seven when
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Speaker 17: the Britney Spears' court cases were going on and she
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Speaker 17: shaved her head and all that crazy stuff was happening,
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Speaker 17: and there was this big conspiracy about how there was
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Speaker 17: a bunch of government activity that was like shrouded over
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Speaker 17: or by this court case with Brittany going on. What
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Speaker 17: if the same thing is happening with Nancy Guthrie? And
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Speaker 17: I do want to say it is extremely sad what
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Speaker 17: is happening with Nancy. It is extremely sad that an
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Speaker 17: eighty year old woman was kidnapped from her home and
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Speaker 17: is missing. But why is her case getting so much
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Speaker 17: media attention when there are so many things like her
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Speaker 17: case happening on a daily basis that get nothing, no
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Speaker 17: attention whatsoever. What's going on that we're not seeing, what's
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Speaker 17: going on that they want to deter our eyes from.
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Speaker 1: That's from Korra is kind of crazy on TikTok, And
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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm with her as far as distrusting
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Speaker 1: the government. And I don't care if it's the Republicans
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Speaker 1: or the Democrats. They all lie. They all lie, no
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Speaker 1: wonder she distrusts the government. And I want to make
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Speaker 1: clear that the plane our last TikToker was talking about,
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Speaker 1: there was such a hue and cry over that private
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Speaker 1: plane that it was actually investigated. They are not a suspect.
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Speaker 1: I don't know why they were flying to Mexico at
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Speaker 1: four o'clock in the morning and back and forth, and
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Speaker 1: frankly don't care. What I do care about is Nancy
46:53
Speaker 1: Guthrie was not on the plane. Now, distrust of the government.
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to go live off the grid with
47:00
Speaker 1: my shotgun because I'm distrust the government. But she's not
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Speaker 1: half wrong. I don't think Nancy Guthrie's kidnapping is part
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Speaker 1: of a government plan to distract us, But I get
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Speaker 1: her distrust of the government, Doctor Bethany a.
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Speaker 6: Part of a plot for the government to distract us.
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Speaker 6: But this is a conspiracy theory that has been floating
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Speaker 6: around quite a bit, and I would say that in
47:26
Speaker 6: this particular case, this conspiracy theory, she's putting herself, like
47:29
Speaker 6: Mandela Girl, in the center of a group who may
47:33
Speaker 6: have some superior way of looking at the world. So
47:36
Speaker 6: it's a way to bolster self esteem. But another fact, Nancy,
47:40
Speaker 6: is some of these conspiracy therapy theorists assume that because
47:44
Speaker 6: it's a big event, it has a big cause. This
47:49
Speaker 6: is a big event in our nation and our life.
47:52
Speaker 6: It's ripped through families, we're all talking about it. But
47:55
Speaker 6: that doesn't mean there's a big cause. But it could
47:58
Speaker 6: be that something very minute or small or unfortunate happened
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Speaker 6: that has burgeoned out into all of this. So big
48:06
Speaker 6: events don't necessarily have big causes. But conspiracy theorists do
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Speaker 6: want to think that.
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Speaker 1: We have learned that at this hour, an entire team
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Speaker 1: of FBI behavioral analysts are reviewing every move made by
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Speaker 1: the porch guy as we have called him, to determine
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Speaker 1: what if anything they can learn about his identity. Joining
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Speaker 1: me now, renowned in her field, Patty Would, body language
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Speaker 1: and behavior expert, President of Communication Dynamics, Inc. And author
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Speaker 1: of snap Making the Most First Impressions body Language. Patty
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Speaker 1: would thank you for being with us. Let's take a
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Speaker 1: look at the video and figure out what if anything
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Speaker 1: we can discern and trust me, I have used body
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Speaker 1: language in cases specifically, Patty. The first one I can
48:59
Speaker 1: recall was a bank robbery, my first ever bank robbery,
49:04
Speaker 1: and I noticed the defendant was slew footed. He walked
49:07
Speaker 1: like a duck. Trust me, Patty, when he illadvisedly took
49:12
Speaker 1: the stand every jaror hung over the rail to watch
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Speaker 1: him walk. And sure enough, he walked like a duck,
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Speaker 1: but instead amongst other evidence. And then I had a
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Speaker 1: serial killer that was a chef, and he walked with
49:30
Speaker 1: a drag he pulled. It was very subtle, but he
49:35
Speaker 1: pulled his right leg behind him with every step. He
49:38
Speaker 1: was a little slow with the right leg. These things matter,
49:43
Speaker 1: and sure enough that was the perp. Now, I can't
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Speaker 1: wait to hear your analysis of everything you see in
49:50
Speaker 1: this video. Let's show the video to the viewers as
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Speaker 1: she speaks. Okay, Patty, the floor is yours all right now.
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Speaker 18: This is when he's covering up the camera, and I
49:59
Speaker 18: want she didn't notice he's having to go look for
50:02
Speaker 18: something to cover it, which is in dissonance and great
50:06
Speaker 18: contrast with how he's armored up, has the mask on,
50:11
Speaker 18: has these heavy, heavy rubber gloves. I want to come
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Speaker 18: back to that point and this backpack loaded, and here
50:18
Speaker 18: he is using a paper or plastic bag and some
50:21
Speaker 18: plants to cover up the camera, as if he not
50:24
Speaker 18: pre planned that part of the process, which is very,
50:28
Speaker 18: very unusual. I also want you to notice as his
50:32
Speaker 18: hand movement, he is not scared. His hands are not shaking.
50:37
Speaker 18: He is purposeful. I'm going to get something, I'm going
50:40
Speaker 18: to cover it up. And notice how slow his movements are.
50:44
Speaker 18: He's again he's not showing fear. There's just a deliberate,
50:48
Speaker 18: purple purposefulness. And it's interesting that his pace is not
50:55
Speaker 18: hurried at all. That makes sense to you, that's so interesting.
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Speaker 1: It makes perfect sense to me. He seems very methodical.
51:03
Speaker 1: Patty would I hadn't really thought of it that way.
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Speaker 18: And if we look at that other shot of him
51:09
Speaker 18: actually entering the doorway, let's talk about that specifically. As
51:14
Speaker 18: you show it, I want you to look at his stride.
51:16
Speaker 18: Look at how broad his stride is, specifically the step up.
51:20
Speaker 18: His feet are very far apart. That's about at least
51:24
Speaker 18: fourteen inches, if not more. And again that's something men
51:29
Speaker 18: specifically do. Broad stance, broad walk when they're purposeful, when
51:34
Speaker 18: they don't have fear. There's no hesitation That shows a
51:41
Speaker 18: pattern of strength that I think is interesting. Now, let's
51:45
Speaker 18: also talk about his backpack, and I have a visual
51:47
Speaker 18: aid for that because think about your kids coming home
51:50
Speaker 18: from school with their backpacks and they're weighted down. So
51:53
Speaker 18: we're talking about a weight in that backpack that's significant.
51:56
Speaker 18: And if you look at how his back is bent
51:59
Speaker 18: over and his head has bent over. What's in that
52:03
Speaker 18: backpack that he won't open to find something to over
52:07
Speaker 18: the camera? That tells me he's not going to open
52:09
Speaker 18: that backpack outside in view. But there's so much weight
52:14
Speaker 18: in it, There's so much bulk that it's bending his
52:17
Speaker 18: body over, and he has to have those wide straps.
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Speaker 13: Can I talk about the straps for a second? Interesting?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, hold on, I just want to throw something in
52:25
Speaker 1: right there. I thought he was looking down so less
52:28
Speaker 1: of his face would be shown. But you're connecting it
52:32
Speaker 1: to the backpack because the backpack is packed to the brim.
52:36
Speaker 13: Two things.
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Speaker 18: It's the weight down pulling his head down, but he
52:40
Speaker 18: does actually move his head to the side as he
52:43
Speaker 18: approaches the doorway, which shows he doesn't want to be seen.
52:46
Speaker 18: So it's a combination of both things. And again there's
52:49
Speaker 18: a contrast between pre planning, having all this equipment, but
52:54
Speaker 18: having reflective straps on the backpack, which would make him
52:58
Speaker 18: more visible. It shows that this is a conflict of
53:03
Speaker 18: this is not necessarily a professional but he planned, but
53:08
Speaker 18: he didn't plan fully with all the insight you think
53:12
Speaker 18: someone in this situation might show. And again, we have
53:15
Speaker 18: that glove. That's an unusual glove. It's heavy duty, and
53:20
Speaker 18: it's a glove that you would wear if you are
53:22
Speaker 18: afraid of attack, even a knife attack. That's how thick
53:26
Speaker 18: the plastic or rubber is on those gloves.
53:29
Speaker 13: And that shows.
53:30
Speaker 18: Something that actually makes me more fearful and uncomfortable, as
53:34
Speaker 18: does the heaviness of the backpack.
53:36
Speaker 13: What the heck is in there?
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Patty would joining us body
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Speaker 1: language behavior expert, President of Communication Dynamics, Inc. And author
53:56
Speaker 1: of Snap Making the Most a first impression body Language
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Speaker 1: in Charisma. She is at pattywood dot net. Patty, what
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Speaker 1: do you make of the polyester holster and his mannerisms
54:11
Speaker 1: as they relate to what I believe to be a
54:13
Speaker 1: semi automatic gun.
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Speaker 18: Yes, and he's definitely giving what's called a man up
54:19
Speaker 18: gesture where he's getting ready for a battle, getting ready
54:23
Speaker 18: for fire. But it's also man up around a male
54:26
Speaker 18: pelvic region that sometimes males make a touch in that
54:30
Speaker 18: location as they're getting ready to fight or they're.
54:33
Speaker 1: Getting Patty, Patty, look around. You're not having high tea
54:39
Speaker 1: with Charles and Camilla. This is crime stories. His penis
54:44
Speaker 1: go ahead.
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Speaker 5: So.
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Speaker 18: As he puts his hand over that sexual organ, he's
54:51
Speaker 18: manning up, And it's a gesture men do when they're
54:55
Speaker 18: getting ready for a battle, going into a fight, going
54:57
Speaker 18: into a battle. Sometimes I see it when men at
55:00
Speaker 18: a low level go in for sales or negotiation, and
55:03
Speaker 18: sometimes I see it in men that are primping before
55:06
Speaker 18: they go into a hot woman and hit on her.
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Speaker 18: So the fact that his hand is there and the
55:11
Speaker 18: weapon is there shows us he's manning up. He's getting
55:16
Speaker 18: that confidence to fight to hurt someone.
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Speaker 1: Patty would I've seen it with defendants that are coming
55:23
Speaker 1: into court and they're about to approach the podium where
55:27
Speaker 1: I'm going to take it guilty plea and read them
55:29
Speaker 1: their rights. I've seen it a lot on basketball courts
55:35
Speaker 1: before somebody goes in or when they're in the huddle,
55:37
Speaker 1: they're constantly grabbing themselves that means something exactly.
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Speaker 18: If there was no weapon there, it would be more
55:45
Speaker 18: protective of I fear the attack on my manhood. But
55:49
Speaker 18: in this case, because it does look like a weapon,
55:52
Speaker 18: it does show that he's ready to hurt, he's ready
55:55
Speaker 18: for a battle.
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Speaker 1: Patty, I'm very curious about your thoughts regarding the mass.
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Speaker 18: I find that one of the most interesting aspects of
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Speaker 18: this because you and I have analyzed so many criminals,
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Speaker 18: so many robberies, so many crimes like this. But the
56:10
Speaker 18: mask is a scheme mask, and think about the location.
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Speaker 13: This would be out of context.
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Speaker 18: If anyone saw him in this, they would go, this
56:20
Speaker 18: doesn't match. There's no reason for him to have this on.
56:23
Speaker 18: So that choice to cover the full face, go over
56:27
Speaker 18: the neck tells me that this person wants to make
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Speaker 18: sure that no part of their face, no part of
56:33
Speaker 18: their neck, is shown, and they're willing to take a
56:35
Speaker 18: risk of wearing something that could visually identify them as
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Speaker 18: a danger. So that's very interesting. Also, it's interesting if
56:45
Speaker 18: you look at this particular shot here, how much of
56:48
Speaker 18: the mouth that covers, but the fact that the eyes
56:51
Speaker 18: are very visible, so he is staring in that minute.
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Speaker 13: I so wish I could see his eyebrows.
56:57
Speaker 18: I so wish I could see if there's any indication
57:00
Speaker 18: of fear or anger of intent.
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Speaker 1: You know, an other interesting point, Patty would as a
57:05
Speaker 1: temperatures into some went all the way up to eighty
57:09
Speaker 1: two degrees that day. Yes, he is fully covered.
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Speaker 13: Doesn't make sense.
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Speaker 18: So that tells us he really wanted to hide his identity.
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Speaker 18: And yet it's interesting if you noticed the baggy pants.
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Speaker 18: The baggy pants on him, that tells me that that
57:29
Speaker 18: is his attire. That's the way he might go out
57:33
Speaker 18: in the world with a bagginess around his hips, and
57:37
Speaker 18: that he's not is not in alignment with fashion. He's
57:43
Speaker 18: not aware of his body in a particular way.
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Speaker 13: Does that make sense?
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Speaker 18: And I'm saying this because in the context of a robbery,
57:50
Speaker 18: I often see the person with pants that are very
57:54
Speaker 18: tight to the skin, and there's a way indication freedom
58:00
Speaker 18: of movement, that stretchy kind of pant to create freedom
58:06
Speaker 18: of movement. But here is wearing pants that are awkward
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Speaker 18: to hang on him awkwardly as if he might have
58:11
Speaker 18: to pull him up, which tells me, or at least
58:15
Speaker 18: hints to me, that he's not used to thinking about
58:20
Speaker 18: having to wear a tire for this particular.
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Speaker 1: Sort, that he's carrying things in the pants and the
58:26
Speaker 1: jacket such as a lock picker and or a walkie
58:31
Speaker 1: talkie and or a signal jammer. Because he's got every
58:36
Speaker 1: crevis packed.
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Speaker 18: Right, and he's definitely got something extra in protective where
58:43
Speaker 18: in the front of his body. And you can tell
58:46
Speaker 18: that he's not used to have having all that weight
58:50
Speaker 18: or packaging up front. It tells me that there's some
58:54
Speaker 18: other protective wear or some item at the front of
58:58
Speaker 18: his body. And I'm saying that, but also because of
59:01
Speaker 18: the width of his arm is thinner than the weight
59:05
Speaker 18: and packaging up here, the normal weight and fat distribution here,
59:11
Speaker 18: and also it's creating a little bit more weight at
59:14
Speaker 18: the front in addition to that packaging the backpack on
59:18
Speaker 18: the back.
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Speaker 13: So you can see there's something right here.
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Speaker 1: So Patty Wood, you're the expert, based on your knowledge
59:26
Speaker 1: and all your years of expertise. Who is this guy?
59:30
Speaker 18: It's someone that's planned this but hasn't planned it well.
59:33
Speaker 18: It's someone that hasn't done this before. Thinking they're prepared,
59:38
Speaker 18: thinking they've taken everything into consideration, but is not fully prepared.
59:45
Speaker 18: And yet they've planned it and ahead it's in their
59:51
Speaker 18: heads that they can do this. They're not afraid, but
59:55
Speaker 18: they're not a professional.
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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about the
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Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend,