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#147: Joshua and Aaron Potts-creators of Running-Report.com · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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  Alright, welcome back to the podcast.
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  I am your host. Mike Ken Ham.
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  And if you've been with us for any amount of time, you know, we
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  really focus on track coaches, track, coaches are there just
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  the top right. They are so self sacrificial.
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  So selfless and what they do for young people around this country
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  and we really want to honor an uplift them from time to time.
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  I like to personally, I like to just bring you some like, cool
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  people in the sport of track and field.
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  We've had officials equipment, providers Etc, on the podcast.
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  Today, I don't know what kind of trouble were going to get into,
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  because I've seen some of their content, and I was a little
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  scared on how they were gonna see how they did some other
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  people. So, but now, you're on my show,
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  I get some control. So help me welcome from the two
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  black runners podcast running report.com, the wise and
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  wonderful mr. Josh and Arin pots, gentlemen,
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  how are we doing? Welcome to the show.
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  I'm doing well. Doing well, yeah, doing good
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  man. Coming off a high, doing a lot
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  of stuff coming from conferences and lot of contents and getting
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  pushed out in the Past week so doing great.
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  Yeah, you know this is fun. You guys you guys are a little
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  bit more immediate and we I live in podcast world.
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  So if you're listening you're probably listening right now
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  near the end of March. We're actually recording this at
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  the end of February and I did just see what you get.
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  What you're just talking about. There are you guys were at some
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  kind of tell me what it was. It was like a running conference
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  but it was like maybe media running conference specifically
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  So what's the run? USA industry conference and the
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  conference is mostly made up of race directors all over the
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  country. Like Ted meticulous.
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  Is there like the director of the Minnesota marathon?
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  Is there. The Ragnar the guy that created
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  like Ragnar's there and then they even have like vendors that
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  create bibs, they're like race roster which is like a
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  registration company is there and it was like just like the
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  first time They had, you know, podcasters they're doing
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  something alive. And we interviewed one of our
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  guests that we have before Mark Rosetta who's a double a double
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  amputee. And he ran a 235 Marathon at the
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  New York City and New York City. So yeah, exactly.
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  That was my same response. When I, when I heard 235 for do
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  fut is great, 235 He was already on your podcast.
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  Yeah. So we had on after the New York
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  City marathon, the end of last year but then the conference was
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  in Orlando and there were thinking like who should we
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  bring on? And, after talking to Marco, we
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  knew he lived in Orlando. So it was all like that's all he
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  lives in Claremont, but that's not too far away.
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  So we just hit a Marco. Come do this and got to do with
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  him and he stole the show. You stole the show and then we
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  also Like people really connect with his story story is crazy,
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  just how everything went down and then Patrick Stickman from
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  ESPN. Also did like an interview with
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  us right before the podcast is to some people got to know us
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  and they had this had to see us do like an interview in action
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  with my coaches. That owes, it was really fun.
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  It was a really good time. Can't wait for people to finally
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  well, by the time this comes out, hopefully the podcast will
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  be up on YouTube too as well as a really great story, I'll tell
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  you. He stole the show that in itself
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  is a big Feet. Because this is one of the
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  things that I love about you guys as I've been following
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  along for maybe about the past year.
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  Now, your tag line is it's a running media Outlet produced
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  for the culture by the culture. And the first time I got into
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  experience, what that kind of means as you guys output that is
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  there was a meet I think was called the trials of miles out
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  in Kansas City. I really only watched it because
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  they also have the hurdles and that's my favorite event but
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  they did. Yeah, City's magazine, I think
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  right is the one who put it on. They did a live YouTube with it
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  and did a really in my opinion. Fantastic job on presentation of
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  the meat. But you guys were the on the
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  field interviewers, right? So after the person runs the
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  race, talking about their, you know, how to go and what's next
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  and stuff like that. And honestly, I think you guys
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  kind of, I think you guys kind of stole the show, like, it was
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  a little bit. Like, I don't know if that was
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  your first time but it was my first time seeing it was kind of
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  like whoa, wait a minute. Who are these guys?
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  I got member putting in the chat is like what's these guys is
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  name? You know, number Twitter.
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  So I went to Twitter and tried to find you and all that kind of
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  stuff. Talk to me about running
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  report.com, you've got YouTube, you get nearly a 10,000
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  subscribers on YouTube. You're of course on Twitter and
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  Instagram. This awesome podcast to black
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  runners podcast. Tell us what is this?
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  What is running report? What you guys doing here?
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  Well, really write a report kind of all stemmed from my senior
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  year of high school. I started a YouTube channel with
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  my five with their friends, just like, vlogging are our quest to
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  go to NX and like our senior year.
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  So we were pretty good going into the end of the season and
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  then I tore my Meniscus, like, right before like CIF and
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  everything. So I couldn't race and go on and
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  it's in but I was all like before that were talking about
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  we should start YouTube channel, start YouTube channel and so
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  then I was like, I can't He's so how to start the YouTube channel
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  and everything and went on from there?
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  Kind of built like a cult following and Southern section
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  for like cross-country and like, well I'll say for track in
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  general just like little bit of cult following and then going
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  into once we kept on doing that, then into my freshman year at
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  College, like they kind of like stopped as not vlogging as much.
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  But I just, I just fell in love with the media side of it pretty
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  much. And then I wanted to just keep
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  on, like, do running on YouTube and everything.
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  I didn't want to Vlog, but I was like so that just brought me to
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  what else could I do next? And I always loved like ESPN or
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  just like Fox Sports or the NBA and everything and love that
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  side of it. And when it comes I want to
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  bring that to running because run, He's My First Love of been
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  running since I was five years old from like Club track all the
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  way through and I was like, write anything.
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  I feel like the only way for running to get to that
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  mainstream value that everybody talks about is that it needs
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  that same need to give it what it deserves you need to give it
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  that same type of hiking. That same type of tension and
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  that same that same type of energy that Stephen A would give
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  you. That's that Jalen Rose would get
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  the NBA. That all these people that Ryan
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  Clark would give the NFL, you have to give that same type of
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  energy to it. And I think that's what running
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  report really is trying to definitely bring that bring that
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  to running and all different facets that we possibly can be
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  honest. So if Josh, if you started it,
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  how did you bring your brother? Is it?
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  He did. He just like trying to ride on
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  your coattails. How did Erin getting off here?
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  Well, really, what I started just doing because first was
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  just like the running reports show and I'll do it like once a
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  month and stuff and Aaron was always the person I would go to.
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  I would be all like Aaron. Like what do you think about
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  this life? If I was going to think about
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  like type in the very, very beginning?
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  I was doing like just talking about the marathon and stuff and
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  so he would have person, I would go to and clarify stuff my, or I
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  finish the video. If you like Aaron, what you
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  think about this video and Aaron was the one to look?
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  What we really came in. He was the one who was all like,
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  bro, like we should do. Do a podcast.
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  Like that's what he kept on. Proposing to me like it's do a
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  podcast, do a podcast and then finally, I was like, all right,
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  let's do it. And then I was like, let's call
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  it to Black around here. He's and then Aaron jumped in
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  and we just kind of started rolling from then.
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  And as in really stopped at two black runners, it kind of
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  doesn't work without ehrenreich because it just be you.
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  Exactly. So Aaron, what's your take on
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  this, you pushed for the podcast, where you a runner as
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  well, and we're going to get a little bit more into your actual
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  stories here, but as far as running report, What was your
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  involvement here? Yeah, and it's kind of like
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  Joshua said like we come from a track-and-field family.
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  We have two other brothers as well and I started running track
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  in the second grade club and my dad was the coach and I ran all
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  the way up until college. That is the Pacific.
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  And then I ran for a short stint semi-professionally with the
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  Hoka Aggies. And then, from there, like,
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  while I was in college, I worked at a running store and then I
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  worked at writing warehouse and now I work at Hoka.
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  So, like I'm very, like, always been involved in a Geek for like
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  running media running culture and the running industry.
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  But as Joshua said to like every day in our house, we where we
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  grew up. It's like we wake up, ESPN is
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  on. Someone's arguing is Kobe.
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  The best player in the NBA like to be arguing about like
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  football and stuff like that. So a lot of these conversations
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  we have all the time and like, I myself.
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  Like, at that time I listen to a lot of podcasts to and I started
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  seeing like a couple running podcast come up and I just Was
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  like yo, like Joshua. Like we could definitely do
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  this, you know. I was like, I just I could see
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  it. Like, I feel like if you listen
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  to something see something enough, it's like, you can
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  duplicate it and do it within your own way.
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  And a big part of like the running report to black runners
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  as well as like in the running mediaspace we don't see a lot of
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  like black people people of color in that flavor that you
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  know, it the Forefront no offense to like render space and
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  flowtraq and stuff but that's it's used the distance community
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  and we come from That we are 800 meter 1500 meter Runners.
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  So that seems like kind of controlling that backside and
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  that was kind of like the the goal of a running report of
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  running report as well, when we say for the culture, and by the
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  culture, it's a two-way, it's double age.
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  Like, one being like, you know, for the culture like, you know,
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  black people like, we are of that culture.
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  That's where we come from, but we also come from the track
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  track of field culture. That was a club coach, like, we
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  all like, all my brothers competed, At the Collegiate
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  level like that is who we are and that we put that
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  authenticity into every part of to buy Grinders and running
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  report media. But we're also doing this for
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  the sport. We're doing this for the, we're
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  doing this, for the culture of track and field, because as
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  Joshua was saying, it, deserves to be seen as mainstream it
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  deserves to have that energy that, you know, the NFL that the
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  NBA and all that kids as well. Yeah, I love the authenticity.
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  You know, guys who grew up running track dad's a track, the
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  track. Coach Club try like you know
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  you've been in track for a long time and I'm a huge proponent of
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  what you guys are doing on a grander scale.
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  Meaning, you know, I have in my circle where I run, you know,
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  there's a couple of people started calling me the Pod,
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  father of track and field. It's ridiculous because it's not
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  like I invented this by any means, right?
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  But I am huge in helping people out like when a coach like when
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  covid hit right, coaches had a lot of free time.
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  So, A lot of them wanted to start podcast and I had actually
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  started our podcast here at gallaudet accessible for covid,
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  hit. So, I had some experience on,
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  you know, kind of from the ground, how to get it going.
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  I'm not a big fancy guy, and think you got to do a lot of
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  editing and a lot of equipment expensive equipment stuff.
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  So I helped a lot of coaches and people start their podcast up
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  because to your point just you said it first, you know, the
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  sport deserves it. We're at now we're not getting
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  you. No mainstream media and NBC and
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  ESPN on our track meets and our track people.
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  But it deserves it it really does.
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  So to me I love this, you know, Grassroots, get it started.
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  You loved what you were doing in the CIF and the people you are
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  with and you're like a kind of like this stuff.
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  Get it started. That's the hardest part is to
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  get started man. I love this authenticity that
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  you bring most definitely it. Like at that point to it was
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  like just like starting like the first like YouTube channel.
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  It was called Rosie Project. That was the main thing we would
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  always say. Like, let's do something.
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  Let's do something. You just Never do it.
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  But like once you start doing it and then once you start making
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  it a weekly thing, it's all like it's weird if you don't and
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  especially in something like this with running and like the
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  running media, I've liked what I was doing before my friends.
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  If definitely was cool because I also feel like in that phase as
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  well, like, we were bringing aside to cross country and
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  distance running that people didn't see before since our team
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  was so diverse, like the fastest dude, on our team was a mixed
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  dude, with like dress. And then we have this dumb
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  Mexican. Dude, I think Mexican dudes in
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  this like dude. Like it was it was just so
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  diverse and different that you don't the sea cross country all
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  the time. And then they have that purpose
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  brought into like the running media space.
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  That Aaron was alluding to earlier just being trying to
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  bring that like culture in the track and field which which is
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  which is like it's weird in the sense because it's like that
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  track and field space is so dominant by Sprints and special.
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  The us, like we love the Sprint's, we love the hundred,
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  but when it comes to Media covering it, it's always
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  dominated by distance, especially on like the social
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  media side. Now, when you watch like, the
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  NBC broadcast is going to like they're going to put love on the
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  Sprints and like the Sprint's are going to get that highlight
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  the 100 to 200 to 400 and distance, it still gets its
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  shine, but not as much. But like when you look on the
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  social media side, it's not the it's not the retired track
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  athlete. Andre Runner talking about the
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  hundred, it's some distance guy or some distance cow.
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  So like I just feel like us, I'm not a 100 meter runner back and
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  speak to that in that sense, being able to, you know, having
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  the run so far. And like, speaking of that kinds
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  of City Meat, like, what was really cool about that meat?
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  Like you said, was the 100 hurdles, like, I got to see Dawn
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  Harper, Nelson run and like, I never thought I was gonna be
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  able to see her run. Like that was the highlight, the
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  see her run at the end the day and like, but to see those
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  distance events was really cool too, but be able to see her
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  compete like a legend like that. That those are people that we
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  want to like Elevate more and do more with but it's also just
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  elevating the tires for as a whole and getting what he
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  deserves right now there's something interesting going on,
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  right? This whole hashtag poop gate.
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  I'm sure you guys had an episode on our yeah.
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  Well I don't care about the controversy.
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  What did strike me as someone pointed out on social media as
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  well, you know, that has now hit the New York Times.
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  That's a big crazy media. That's crazy.
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  Yeah, I am going to go out on a limb and say that they will not
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  give the same amount of attention to the USA indoor
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  championships that are going to happen this week in that were
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  recording and the internal a championships that are going to
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  happen in two weeks. From when we're recording, media
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  has traditionally at least for the last, I don't know.
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  I'll say 20, 30 years, go back to the early 90s.
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  You guys probably weren't even born back then, but the media
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  traditional media has really focused on track and field on
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  only the - when we have a PDF. Bust some kind of controversy.
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  Now this whole crazy stuff going over in Arizona.
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  So I love that, you know, it's not just your culture in regards
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  to, you know, your race but I think it's also your age that
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  you you're bringing a younger demographic thought process into
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  it, which is cool because you're interviewing a lot of people
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  that are at or just above or just below your ages.
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  I'm good. Yeah, Frank but around that
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  time. So you bring a different
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  perspective along with the culture side of it as well.
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  Yeah, most definitely and I think I think that's key for
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  sure. I think bringing diversity and
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  like all aspects from, you know, gender to ethnicity, to age to
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  event and I feel like that is truly what makes tracking feel
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  special. When you look at track and
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  field, you got someone that can lift 500 that could squat 500
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  pounds. And you got someone that can run
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  six miles fast like super fast. And then, you got someone who
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  could jump a super fard. If it's super Distance.
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  So it's like in track and field there's so much diversity in the
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  type of people that are out there competing but we don't
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  always have the inclusivity you know will focus on like one
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  event or one person more than the other.
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  And then like we're not capturing all the true stories
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  that we really can be highlighting or like you're
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  saying like we'll just focus on like something negative but
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  there really is like so many stories.
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  So it's like, how do we like have all these different things
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  going around? And how do we align them?
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  So we can get, you know, the person that watches long jump,
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  interested in the person that throws shop put interested in
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  the person that's running the 400.
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  And I feel like that's a goal. And then like I uh I mean being
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  me being from the industry to, I want to be able to connect with
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  just like a regular person. Yeah, that goes out on a run in
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  the morning or something or someone that used to run sprints
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  in high school. Like I want to bring them into
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  the fold to. Yeah, that's what boggles me.
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  In fact, I was just my boss. My VP of sales, we were just
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  having this conversation yesterday, you know, on the high
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  school, level boys and girls track combined is the largest
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  sport. There is bigger than football
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  basketball cetera. Yeah.
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  On the college level, the men and women track and field
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  combined is bigger than football.
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  So there are, if you look out your window when you're driving
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  in your crazy traffic in California, and you look at the
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  cars next to you, it's a pretty good chance that that person ran
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  track at some point in their life or had a family member.
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  Ember. Yeah I got like a yeah.
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  Father mother father or son? Daughter, uncle and Etc.
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  There's so much like track and field is almost everywhere and
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  yet when you go to a meet, all right, no one there and if he
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  wasn't on TV, no one's there. And the crazy thing is that most
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  of those people like, they don't know who it thing mode is.
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  And like, a thing mode is probably the most like the best
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  person to have like as a star right now.
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  Like, and they don't even have any know who should carry
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  Richardson is to as well. But They also like going back to
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  your saying earlier about like the age thing, I think it's also
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  really cool to whenever to interview people because I'm 21
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  years old. So like being able to talk to a
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  thing like if it's at because we're out of the pre-classic
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  like through a press conference or even I was able to interview
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  her through like Zoom. I think it was like, it was just
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  like super relatable like, we're not the same age but like if
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  we're in that same generation or talk to like Brandon Miller or
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  even talking to Louis Grijalva as well, like these people are
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  young doing Great things in the sport and like I think they see
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  us they see us in a sense right now that like they want to push
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  the sport forward and get better in the sport and they see us in
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  the media like we're trying to push forward and push and do
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  better for the sport so that lets like work together to try
• 19:13
  and get to. This end point that we can all
• 19:16
  eat in a sense at the end of the day.
• 19:18
  So I think that's what's really the good thing about us being
• 19:21
  like on like the younger side and having that like younger
• 19:24
  view to be able to kind of Grow with these athletes, in a sense
• 19:29
  that are kind of rising right now.
• 19:30
  And there's a lot that are that are rising up to the top that
• 19:33
  are really young doing incredible things recently.
• 19:38
  We just had three Richardson, really?
• 19:41
  I thought was a really awesome interview on.
• 19:43
  I think was Teen Vogue but I didn't understand she's a team.
• 19:46
  I don't read that. I also realized that what I was
• 19:50
  not the target audience at all for that matter, read the
• 19:54
  article with the pictures and all that kind of stuff and What
• 19:56
  a great that that might be the first time I've seen like an
• 19:59
  interview or, you know, something from her that showed
• 20:02
  like who shaqiri Richardson the person was and not just, you
• 20:05
  know, 1060 or whatnot, you know, whatever.
• 20:07
  PR and of course all the hubbub around the Olympic trials and
• 20:10
  Olympics, it's tough. I thought that was like, really
• 20:13
  humanizing like, oh, wow, this is a real person, whose skill
• 20:16
  set is to run fast. But what a, what a real person,
• 20:19
  what a great to your point. About a thing though and stuff,
• 20:21
  what a great representative of our sport, like more people
• 20:23
  should care about her and a thing and gosh, Fred Curly.
• 20:27
  I mean, just amazing people that are out there.
• 20:31
  Yeah, I need to actually read that article.
• 20:33
  I didn't know that was I do out there because I would love to
• 20:35
  like carry someone to that. Like, I don't know, I listen to
• 20:38
  like the IM f-- Lee. I'm athlete podcast sometimes or
• 20:42
  like Pippi or even like the shop like I think like she's the type
• 20:47
  of athlete that needs to be like, on those, on those
• 20:50
  platforms like like speaking. So people could get to know her
• 20:54
  as a person because I think I think she could be like the
• 20:57
  biggest star we've ever seen, especially Once she starts
• 21:01
  winning medals, so young have to check that out.
• 21:04
  So pivot in here a little bit. I had a question because you
• 21:07
  guys are distance Runners but also I should say distance
• 21:10
  background but also very, you know, kind of hip to all of the
• 21:14
  events or at least, you know, want to pay attention to all the
• 21:16
  events. So recently, there's been a
• 21:19
  couple of squawkers about this whole four-minute mile thing.
• 21:23
  I think a lot of it has to do because there's so many people
• 21:26
  specifically on the college side that are hitting it, right?
• 21:28
  I mean I think it's an 85 475 Collegiates are going to or have
• 21:33
  broken the four-minute mile barrier at this point.
• 21:35
  And I think it's like to get into the D1 Nationals.
• 21:38
  It takes 356, which is just ludicrous.
• 21:41
  I mean that's that's crazy. But someone was talking about a
• 21:46
  couple of people have been squawking that you know, we
• 21:47
  celebrate the four-minute mile but it really like it's no big
• 21:51
  deal anymore. Like maybe we should be
• 21:53
  celebrating the 350, or something like that and the
• 21:56
  people, some people have been trying to compare to like the 10
• 21:58
  flat and 100 and kind of stuff like that.
• 22:00
  What do you think about the four-minute mile is age group?
• 22:03
  We are, you know, my age group four-minute mile was like, yeah,
• 22:06
  it still isn't my pain because it's an easy round number right.
• 22:09
  60 seconds per lap and all that kind of stuff.
• 22:10
  But but I don't know. What do you think about just?
• 22:13
  Is it still a big deal? Should we stop celebrating it?
• 22:16
  What do we do? We do here for a track and field
• 22:18
  in the mile. Go ahead.
• 22:22
  Go ahead. I knew I know you wanted to say
• 22:24
  something so I was going to let you go.
• 22:27
  No. Like it's a lot that's why.
• 22:28
  I mean it's a tool that's a lot on me.
• 22:31
  Like I feel like that question but I still think it's a big
• 22:34
  deal to break forward and like I still think it's in a it's a
• 22:36
  nice hard me. Yeah it's accomplishment no
• 22:39
  matter who does it like just because a lot of people does it.
• 22:42
  I don't think that D values like the mile but I think the mild
• 22:47
  does get extra love because it is the Mi it's for life.
• 22:51
  You know, for me, it's is around number, you know, someone once
• 22:55
  said that you would die, you know, we know that's not true,
• 22:59
  you know, we know that's not true, but so is someone was a
• 23:02
  tight. So, I'm put the hype on that.
• 23:04
  But someone also in the past, put, I just thought of this
• 23:07
  right now. People used to think you would
• 23:08
  dive from running a marathon. You know what I'm saying?
• 23:11
  Like this. The first person dies people
• 23:13
  used to think women can't run marathons, but if you run a
• 23:16
  marathon, and you run it in three hours, so you weren't in 5
• 23:19
  hours. Are you ready in 2 hours?
• 23:20
  30 minutes. It's like, you know, it's still
• 23:22
  like an accomplished. Like we should be praising even
• 23:26
  though a lot of people can do, it doesn't mean it's not hard
• 23:29
  and reticular layer but I get the same to.
• 23:32
  It's like, yeah, why, why is it such a big deal in comparison to
• 23:36
  other events but like I just don't think it's a bad thing
• 23:39
  that we celebrate people breaking for like and I feel
• 23:42
  like that's kind of like where people are starting to head like
• 23:45
  you know, Yeah, I'm I gruyere I agree are like it's a big deal
• 23:51
  to break four minutes. Most definitely, like, I don't
• 23:54
  think breaking four minutes is harder than Breaking 10.
• 23:58
  I think that's kind of absurd in a way to say that like breaking
• 24:02
  10 seconds and then 100 is easier than breaking for.
• 24:05
  I don't know about that. That's you got to be pretty, you
• 24:08
  have you Beast to break 10 seconds in the 100, you know?
• 24:11
  But just the fact of, like, seeing Colin Solomon, run, 358,
• 24:15
  and the potentially to see One of his teammates do it this year
• 24:18
  to possibly. Like I think it's an amazing
• 24:21
  achievement and I love to see it like be done.
• 24:24
  There's definitely Deeper conversations that people have
• 24:27
  tried to go with it as well, but like no, no, what no matter how
• 24:31
  you cut it, like breaking four minutes is a big deal.
• 24:34
  And I just think in our society right now like that's just where
• 24:38
  that's just where it's going to be.
• 24:39
  It's never going to change like that but I also really feel like
• 24:43
  it's a really big deal. When a girl also breaks for high
• 24:46
  school, I'm saying like 2 minutes in the 800.
• 24:49
  That's that's almost that's almost for me.
• 24:53
  Even bigger deal to see that happen.
• 24:55
  If So, like, that's an incredible thing to, and I think
• 24:59
  that's going to be, they, possibly could overtake that
• 25:02
  four-minute barrier being that Excellence because we've either
• 25:05
  have three girls in the outdoor season, possibly break 32
• 25:08
  minutes and as a high schoolers. And I think that just may be the
• 25:12
  trend for the next decade will see.
• 25:15
  I think, I think what the what the problem is and what people
• 25:18
  are upset about is like breaking for is hard and it
• 25:22
  accomplishment, right? But no one is saying like hey
• 25:24
  you broke for so Like the greatest athlete in the world,
• 25:28
  like, no one is saying that. Like, if somebody, I don't think
• 25:31
  anyone saying that I never took it like that.
• 25:32
  I just like, it's just like a barrier.
• 25:34
  Like, someone breaking for isn't better than someone running 147.
• 25:38
  Like, we know. 147 is better. We know someone breaking to is
• 25:42
  better. We know someone breaking running
• 25:44
  running 98, is better than breaking for.
• 25:46
  Like we know the times, you know what I mean?
• 25:48
  It's just kind of like the mile is like this.
• 25:51
  Like I think the best way to think of it is like the mile is
• 25:53
  like the marathon is just like you had.
• 25:56
  They have like these like Mystique accomplishments around
• 25:59
  them from just like like doing them that.
• 26:01
  So yeah, yeah that's how I kind of feel about it.
• 26:04
  I think, first of all, we squash the 10-second four-minute
• 26:07
  comparison, because way less people have run sub 10 that have
• 26:11
  run sub 4, but to your point, Josh you brought up that sub to
• 26:15
  half-mile, specifically for high schoolers for me, that
• 26:19
  four-minute mile. It doesn't really necessarily
• 26:21
  represent, you know, four, laps under sub 60 or whatnot.
• 26:25
  It's Aren T brought up. It represents breaking a barrier
• 26:29
  because people thought it was impossible, right?
• 26:32
  Then what was super interesting. If you go and look at the
• 26:34
  history, you know, so Bannister runs, you know, sub 4.
• 26:38
  And then, a lot of people started breaking sub for because
• 26:41
  people saw like, oh, wait a minute, it is possible that
• 26:45
  somebody did it. So maybe I can't do it.
• 26:46
  So the next person broke it maybe Sydney Marie or somebody
• 26:49
  and then it now now, everybody's like, oh gosh, anybody know
• 26:52
  anybody? Air quotes there by the way,
• 26:54
  except for, but Time, what I really want to kind of tie these
• 26:57
  together, Josh's? I think maybe the same thing as
• 27:00
  having as you mentioned, three high schoolers possibly can even
• 27:04
  run sub to this year. I didn't know that.
• 27:06
  I think I knew of one at heard about.
• 27:08
  I don't feel to keep too much tabs on the athletic side
• 27:10
  Fleetside, but I think maybe at the ethene, I think Moe.
• 27:15
  And even before her, and I'm forgetting her name.
• 27:17
  She was also from Jersey. I think maybe she was the first
• 27:19
  to say welcome. Yeah, yeah, that's who I'm
• 27:21
  thinking of I wonder if those two IJ and a thing.
• 27:26
  Like started helping people to see, like, in high school to
• 27:28
  help girls in high school. See, oh, wait a minute.
• 27:30
  I thought 2005 was kind of the Max and then will, you know,
• 27:33
  maybe go to college and the pros but it's like this barrier of
• 27:37
  like, oh man, wait, they can do it.
• 27:38
  Well, then maybe I can do it. Maybe it's another barrier
• 27:41
  breaker that's going to start open up the floodgates.
• 27:44
  Yeah. But even like Mary Cain to Mary
• 27:47
  Cain was she was doing like really just opened.
• 27:50
  I just feel like to just for the high school girls because
• 27:53
  because I coach with my dad at Norco, high school and we're
• 27:56
  Looking at what does it take for it?
• 27:59
  Because we have this one girl that's really fast as a
• 28:01
  freshman. What's going to take four to get
• 28:03
  this state in the mile? And like, literally I've Masters
• 28:07
  like that time that you got a hit, they just get to State and
• 28:10
  Division One. Well, just for the southern
• 28:12
  section, you got to run a 452 in the mile and like, that's the
• 28:16
  standard. There's, there's something that
• 28:19
  like, coaches, I figured out and just that like four girls,
• 28:23
  especially in high school and college, where Really just
• 28:26
  clicks and they're able to run faster than ever before and I
• 28:30
  really do feel like it is the girls like auge beforehand and
• 28:34
  Mary Cain and a thing mode, and then Kaitlyn to, we like two
• 28:37
  years ago that have shown that like y'all can really run so so
• 28:42
  much faster. And that gap between like the
• 28:45
  gap between like a fast high school boy, if I score, high
• 28:49
  school boy is much more shorter from like a heist, the best,
• 28:53
  high school girls and the gap between a good high school.
• 28:55
  Girl, is Enormous. It's so enormous.
• 28:58
  But this year, especially keeping your eyes on Sophia
• 29:01
  Gurion Juliet Whitaker and roasting Willis because I really
• 29:05
  feel like in this outdoor season.
• 29:07
  Well, we don't know Sophia going on about the race at USAA
• 29:09
  indoors. So you guys will know what she
• 29:11
  just made. Ran 800.
• 29:13
  But then three and eight hundred this year is going to be a sight
• 29:16
  to see and I really do think it's the next wave and we're
• 29:20
  going to be looking at the women's 800 in a different light
• 29:23
  in a couple years because at USA is like Nate championships,
• 29:28
  like, trying to make the world championships.
• 29:29
  Like, everyone's gonna be under, like, 158 like that.
• 29:34
  I don't know, it's or 159. It's gonna be crazy.
• 29:40
  Maybe I believe she's ugly. She's 19 still.
• 29:43
  I don't think she's not even 20 for crying out loud.
• 29:47
  The world's best 800-meter Runner and I have a sneaking
• 29:49
  suspicion, she's only going to get just a little bit better and
• 29:52
  better and better as she matures and continues to, you know, add
• 29:56
  Strength and endurance and speed to her to her repertoire man.
• 29:59
  Holy cow. It's amazing.
• 30:01
  I also think to stay of just women fled X2 changing so much
• 30:07
  because you think about like, you know, at one point women
• 30:10
  weren't allowed to run the marathon, they got into the they
• 30:13
  were allowed into the Olympics later.
• 30:14
  So, like I think there's just so much more room for women to
• 30:19
  develop and grow and see it like in the 5K, like girls are women
• 30:24
  are getting closer to Breaking 14.
• 30:26
  In the 5 and the 5 K, like the record in the marathon is like
• 30:29
  to 14 and like, they're going. They're going crazy over there
• 30:33
  on that side too. And all across all events,
• 30:37
  they're running like a laying Thompson's my rant in five.
• 30:41
  I don't cross all events. They're improving.
• 30:42
  So it's and I think that has to do with like, the access to
• 30:47
  sport for women is like, it still has work so work to do for
• 30:51
  sure but it's growing more and more and that's why it's like
• 30:55
  bro, they have Like so much room to improve.
• 30:57
  So I love the point. You made though, about that
• 30:59
  comparison for the women's two minutes in the 800s like bro.
• 31:03
  Let's Joshua. Let's make that a that's to make
• 31:06
  that a thing like oh, no, whoa, no pun intended.
• 31:11
  It's like that, you know, great Point Yarn and you're so young.
• 31:17
  You keep bringing up that women weren't allowed to run the
• 31:20
  marathon in your ex you're dead set, but there's a lot of events
• 31:25
  that when you said that it Me think about like how young the
• 31:28
  training age for women Athletics and certain events are
• 31:31
  especially for the whole thing, right?
• 31:32
  Because it wasn't that long ago that there were no women
• 31:35
  Athletics. Like, women just girls in high
• 31:37
  school just couldn't. Yeah.
• 31:40
  Oh gosh. Now, Blake.
• 31:41
  Well, I had Karen, Dennis from the head coach at Ohio State.
• 31:44
  She was on the podcast and she was talking about how yeah,
• 31:47
  there were no opportunities to run track.
• 31:49
  I begged my way onto the boys team to run in and things like
• 31:53
  that. And of course, I'm Eating Sue
• 31:57
  Humphreys. That's who I'm thinking of who's
• 31:58
  was a Pioneer in women's attract as a specifically who again
• 32:02
  through high school. She's like yeah, there were no
• 32:04
  opportunities. I she started the first women's
• 32:06
  program at Arizona State for crying out loud.
• 32:09
  Then this not that long ago. Yeah.
• 32:11
  So pole vault and Hammer just got added to the Olympics in
• 32:15
  2000 and 2004. That's yesterday folks.
• 32:20
  Yeah. There's only like four Champions
• 32:22
  basically in those events, man. So I think you're right, I think
• 32:26
  not only do I have this kind of hypothesis for track and field
• 32:29
  specifically that is as good as it is right now.
• 32:33
  I mean, you know, go turn on the TV and, you know, people are
• 32:36
  doing amazing thing, right? You're not Trevon Rimmel, and
• 32:39
  Fred Curly's and I think modes that we mentioned etcetera.
• 32:42
  I mean just how can we forget the 400 hurdles?
• 32:44
  What's going on there? It's nuts.
• 32:46
  I was right, I think Actually, just at the beginning of a
• 32:50
  really crazy period for the next 10 20, maybe 30 years because of
• 32:56
  really coaching education. I know maybe you guys don't even
• 32:59
  have worked, like, I've done like usatf level 1 or UST of
• 33:02
  ccca and things like that, but, you know, when you first get
• 33:05
  into coaching, you typically fall back to coach how you were
• 33:10
  coached and you do some coaching education, and you get better
• 33:13
  and smarter, you talk to other smart people and you start
• 33:16
  evolving, how you coach, right? Well, we're in such a beautiful
• 33:19
  time period for coaching education, here for the past 15
• 33:22
  years. These kids are being coached by
• 33:25
  better coaches right now. Well, those kids become coaches
• 33:29
  next. And so, when they fall back to
• 33:31
  how they were coached to start out with, well, that's going to
• 33:33
  be at a much higher level. Yeah, in the predecessors.
• 33:36
  I just think we're as good as we think we have it right now.
• 33:40
  I think it's about to go nuts for the next decade, 15 years,
• 33:44
  man. It's going to be amazing.
• 33:46
  And that's kind of like what because we had a conversation
• 33:49
  with Shannon robbery. When we were in at the Lilac
• 33:51
  Grand Prix, doing like some interviews and stuff up there
• 33:55
  and I can't remember what US championships.
• 33:58
  It was Aaron. I think it was what she saying
• 34:00
  like back in like 2008 or something like that but she
• 34:05
  yeah. She was like a u.s. trials or
• 34:07
  championships and she was like the only person before the 15
• 34:11
  like doing like like drills and stuff and doing like Warm up
• 34:16
  like that, wasn't like the common thing to have like this
• 34:19
  long drawn-out, warm up before the race.
• 34:23
  And then, all the other coaches were kind of just watching
• 34:26
  because they're athletes, were kind of just like chilling at
• 34:29
  that moment, like an hour beforehand and then the next
• 34:32
  year, everyone's sort of doing that like because of Shannon's
• 34:36
  like success. And so she was kind of explain
• 34:39
  to us like the evolution of the sport throughout the years and
• 34:42
  really just the training that people have gotten stuck.
• 34:45
  So it definitely is like, it definitely worked, definitely
• 34:49
  reaching that Golden Age. And what I love about it too is
• 34:51
  that we're going to, it's going to lead up all the way to 20 28,
• 34:54
  when the Olympics are in LA. And it's all like, well, for for
• 35:00
  us, I'm a, I'm kind of like, cuz we first Southern California, I
• 35:03
  got to see Michael Norman run. So I'm like, Michael.
• 35:05
  Normally this is your chance. Let's go.
• 35:08
  Are you running the for under one?
• 35:09
  But I'm all like, that's really the next seven.
• 35:13
  Next six years. Like push track and field as As
• 35:16
  we can and it can, it can be on that level.
• 35:19
  Where we at least have one segment, on SportsCenter.
• 35:22
  Like, come on, like let's talk about it in this summer at least
• 35:24
  once, like it's definitely big enough to talk about least one
• 35:28
  step one time. So we talked a little bit about
• 35:31
  it kind of sprinkled here and there.
• 35:33
  Josh and Aaron tell us a little bit about your background.
• 35:36
  So you mentioned you kind of hinted a little bit.
• 35:38
  You said, you ran for a Hoka. I think it was and you ran for
• 35:42
  your high school Crush. Going to give us a little bit
• 35:44
  about and your background and track.
• 35:45
  She is an athlete and your dad's a coach, so I automatically have
• 35:49
  a lot of love for your dad. Tell us about your dad, his
• 35:51
  influence on you guys for the family and you mentioned two,
• 35:55
  other brothers, which means are you going to change the podcast
• 35:57
  name one day? Are they going to get involved
• 35:59
  in here and we'll go find a way we could find something for them
• 36:03
  to do but basically like yeah how it started was no, our dad
• 36:08
  was a professional boxer for a little bit and he ran like a
• 36:12
  little bit, you know, in high school, you know, to get in
• 36:15
  shape. Like do cross country.
• 36:17
  And then basically, you know, instead of us boxing, he, he
• 36:21
  knew that track was a, was a sport that you could get a
• 36:25
  scholarship scholarship in. There's a lot of opportunities
• 36:28
  there, you know? So that's that was like the
• 36:30
  whole purpose on Puttin, putting this in track and start off with
• 36:32
  her older brother Caleb, who was like, I had a lot of talent in
• 36:36
  the 800 and then our coach of original coach left.
• 36:41
  So my dad took over the program and then we kind of all follow.
• 36:45
  And in the footsteps, laid out, laid down by my brother and my
• 36:49
  dad and my brother ended up running at any NAU collegiately
• 36:54
  and running there. And then yeah, I kind of just
• 36:56
  followed in in that footsteps, running the mile and the 800 and
• 37:01
  high school and then God's cars to run and Azusa Pacific.
• 37:06
  But once I graduated, once I graduated like, I wasn't sure
• 37:11
  exactly what I wanted to do. Originally, I wanted to be, I
• 37:14
  want to be a coach like that was like My big thing that I wanted
• 37:18
  to do as well, but I thought there's just something more out
• 37:21
  there for me and I was liking the industry.
• 37:24
  So yeah, I was approached by a teammate to like join my list.
• 37:29
  This semi professional team, in sounds Obispo, how I was, and I
• 37:32
  was able to continue working, like customer service at running
• 37:36
  Warehouse as well. So then I was just training and
• 37:39
  working and then once I got, I got hurt, like around the time,
• 37:43
  Joshua kind of started reading. Running report and we were
• 37:47
  always in talks like whenever he was making videos and stuff like
• 37:51
  kind of working together and that's what kind of lead led to
• 37:54
  us you know creating a podcast of instantly but track and
• 37:58
  field. I've just always been a huge
• 37:59
  part of my life like watching all the meats and everything and
• 38:04
  our dad is the big. I mean, he could be greased.
• 38:07
  He's been on some podcast episodes and that guy can you
• 38:09
  can really he can really talk and he loves track more than all
• 38:13
  of us. I would say definitely.
• 38:15
  So, It was definitely instilled in US.
• 38:18
  You mentioned older brother you and Josh you mentioned your on
• 38:21
  the cross-country team so I might assume you were kind of
• 38:23
  eight 15 ish as well on the track.
• 38:26
  What was that? Your dad's kind of sweet spot or
• 38:28
  did that just kind of how it fell fell out?
• 38:30
  You know, fell through with the training for you guys.
• 38:33
  Well, you know, they say and like they say in boxing as well,
• 38:38
  like it's 50% anaerobic and aerobic.
• 38:42
  Like, it's the closest it's the closest to being a middle
• 38:46
  distance. Distance Runner, interesting.
• 38:47
  So I think that's, I think that's why like we are.
• 38:51
  I think we could have been like quarter milers to, to be honest.
• 38:55
  But I think like some of that Gene is why we kind of like fit
• 39:00
  in to fit into that. I feel like yeah, my dad would
• 39:04
  probably say because I'm not really running right now.
• 39:06
  But my dad, I would probably there.
• 39:09
  I definitely could have been a 400 Runner.
• 39:11
  Our brother Caleb was definitely more.
• 39:12
  He was 48. I end up being more a 15 and It
• 39:16
  was more a 15 as well but I think I could I definitely could
• 39:19
  have been a 400 Runner but it was really just around like 14.
• 39:23
  I kind of made a decision on madhu cross and that kind of
• 39:26
  where I went but I started writing when I was five years
• 39:29
  old and I really just wanted to run the eight because I saw my
• 39:32
  oldest brother. I was brother Caleb, I saw him
• 39:34
  running the 8 so I was like, I want to do that too.
• 39:37
  Like it's only two Labs. I remember being little like
• 39:40
  seeing around like he just he must jog the first left and
• 39:43
  spread. The next one, like, doesn't seem
• 39:45
  that hard and then Then I found out yeah this this race is
• 39:48
  stuff, but did you go to school to run track as well?
• 39:55
  Yeah, I went to the I end up going to school at Cal State,
• 39:58
  Northridge first, the Run Track and then I transferred to Mount
• 40:02
  Sac and I was there for the past two years will they had a past
• 40:06
  two years to run their? Then I'll go to Cal State
• 40:08
  Fullerton, but I'm not running collegially to kind of just like
• 40:11
  focus on focus on school. Focus on, like, pushing the
• 40:15
  Running Room We're more and yeah, for the most part, I know
• 40:19
  just, yeah, I just want to get school done with at this point,
• 40:22
  but I definitely, I definitely feel like I had more left on the
• 40:26
  track, but I may still get there.
• 40:28
  We'll see what happens. But, you know, right now, I'm
• 40:31
  pretty. I feel like I'm still getting my
• 40:33
  college experience and my college track experience from
• 40:35
  all the things we've done through the running report.
• 40:37
  So it's really fun to be able to chop it up with these people.
• 40:41
  I lost someone, I heard Caleb. That's the older brother that,
• 40:44
  right? Yes.
• 40:46
  You go to Northridge? Yeah, we had a fourth brother.
• 41:07
  He was actually, he's play football and he was a thrower.
• 41:11
  So he actually he went to Mount Sac as well.
• 41:14
  And then he got a full ride. To to Cal State Fullerton.
• 41:18
  But he didn't really get to because of covid and stuff.
• 41:20
  He didn't really get to compete. But yes, we have a our other
• 41:24
  brother David. He was a discus and shot.
• 41:27
  Put throw her. What's up?
• 41:29
  What's dad's name? Keith pots coach Keith pots made
• 41:35
  you doing something, right? I imagine there's a whole
• 41:37
  ecosystem here with family and stuff as well, but for brothers
• 41:41
  that go on to to college Bravo, that's that's quite amazing.
• 41:46
  Raising and then to be, you know, for the to specifically
• 41:48
  hear that you guys are building something of your own, that's
• 41:51
  amazing man that that's that's Bravo type stuff man.
• 41:54
  Kudos to you guys like makes me feel even better about what you
• 41:56
  guys are doing. Honestly man, it's so cool.
• 41:59
  Appreciate Shadow Pop Star Fox he really did, he, he laid down
• 42:03
  the he laid down the groundwork and and he put He put the the
• 42:07
  goals out there, you know, he put the standards out there and
• 42:10
  let us go reach for and Chase for her and and see where we go
• 42:14
  end up. And I really feel like Like the,
• 42:17
  the discipline that I learned through Club track and just like
• 42:21
  the be able and like they discipline from, from all
• 42:25
  aspects in life that I learned from Club track, really have
• 42:27
  helped me through school helped me through communicating with
• 42:31
  people and helped me through so many ways.
• 42:33
  So that's why I'm always like if if like a parent would ever be
• 42:36
  all like she's actually my kids run club.
• 42:38
  I'm like yes like run Club track.
• 42:41
  It's it's one of the greatest experience that you can have
• 42:44
  because I want to like Junior Olympics and Stuff like that.
• 42:46
  And doing all, all that, when I was a kid, like being able to
• 42:49
  experience that and like strive for something and even continue
• 42:53
  through high school and college, definitely kept me on the right
• 42:56
  path. No matter what, I feel like.
• 42:58
  So, I speak to a couple of classes in different colleges on
• 43:03
  Sports careers, right? Because a lot of times, maybe
• 43:08
  most of the time kids athletes think that the only thing
• 43:11
  available for them in sports is to become a coach.
• 43:14
  Like that's the only if I want to stay in sports.
• 43:15
  Yeah. Coach Wright and I love being
• 43:18
  able to share, you know, like, for my own example, as a college
• 43:20
  coach for 10 years and now here at Gill Athletics, and I talked
• 43:24
  about Administration and I think more track people in it, in
• 43:26
  college and high school administration is only good for
• 43:28
  our sport, but I love now, being able to have this example of
• 43:32
  like, hey, here's two guys that wanted to stay in the sport.
• 43:35
  Didn't go to coaching because they're going to build something
• 43:38
  on their own, their own media Empire.
• 43:40
  If I will say, so early at this point, but I love that example
• 43:43
  that you're staying in the sport, uplifting the Art and not
• 43:47
  necessarily as a coach, which is the greatest part in this, in
• 43:49
  the sport, in my opinion, but I love that.
• 43:51
  I love the different avenue of staying in the sport and helping
• 43:55
  it grow. Yeah.
• 43:57
  And I'm so huge on that. I'm so huge on that because
• 44:00
  like, like, I'd like back, I was like a nice major in college and
• 44:03
  I look back to it and it's like, no, I was a track and field
• 44:06
  major. And I think that's, I think
• 44:08
  that's a thing for a lot of people in different sports,
• 44:10
  though. I think people that play
• 44:11
  college, basketball, college, football or anything, you see
• 44:15
  them go. 92 like work at ESPN or something of that nature.
• 44:19
  And I think, now that I work at the Brand level, I'm seeing more
• 44:24
  and more opportunity. I'm seeing how much these like
• 44:26
  stores are making and stuff. We're going to conferences and
• 44:29
  I'm seeing these people have like a registration at that,
• 44:32
  that people work for like people are making Metals for, like,
• 44:36
  Metals for a limiting. People are putting on race is,
• 44:39
  people are designing shoes. Like there's so many
• 44:42
  opportunities that I think track and field athletes, like Like in
• 44:46
  particular like we don't like just like how we don't
• 44:49
  understand or don't watch a sport.
• 44:51
  It's also like hey there's this entire business of running like
• 44:55
  that you should be a part of and I feel like if we to make our
• 45:00
  sport better we need those. Those Advocates like on the
• 45:03
  inside on the Brand's whispering in their ears.
• 45:06
  Like hey, don't forget about like this race, that the u.s.
• 45:10
  indoor is like we can activate. Don't forget about this athlete,
• 45:13
  doing this or, you know what I mean?
• 45:15
  I just think of Actually, it will naturally happen if we can
• 45:19
  get our people in the in here too.
• 45:23
  And good job. I was going to say, I think
• 45:25
  that's what was so great about us.
• 45:26
  Just going to the running industry conference because
• 45:29
  that's what it exactly was being like former athletes.
• 45:32
  And then at this, this space of just like industry professionals
• 45:36
  and like running, it was definitely something different.
• 45:39
  I would love to see like, more of like this, this influx of,
• 45:43
  like, younger people going to these conferences as well.
• 45:46
  Well and being exposed to this other side of running because I
• 45:49
  just became exposed to it simply just because of like Aaron who
• 45:53
  works at hook. And now my brother who works at
• 45:56
  out of running store, now my oldest brother Caleb and so
• 45:59
  like, but for a lot of people they don't really see that as an
• 46:02
  opportunity and see that they're they're running like working and
• 46:07
  running in a sense and a college.
• 46:09
  And I really working for running but like it kind of stops at the
• 46:12
  ends of high school or indirect running, like, you can really
• 46:15
  extend Career with this but you just have to find that lane for
• 46:19
  you. And so I think being able to go
• 46:21
  to that conference was really just like it really a good
• 46:24
  exemplified that I'm like the perfect way to show that like
• 46:27
  they're the see all these opportunities that are involved
• 46:30
  in the sport. Another great example.
• 46:33
  Shout out to my good friend Blake bold and who is now the
• 46:35
  director of the Drake Relays? He was the director of the
• 46:38
  Indianapolis Monument Marathon series.
• 46:42
  He wasn't, I'm not a distance guy and I certainly am not
• 46:46
  During a marathon but I thought a marathon is like just this one
• 46:48
  off. Here's 26.2 miles but they were
• 46:50
  doing you a 5K and 10K. 10K. And I rode my land, real a
• 46:55
  marathon and then he helped merge the Indianapolis monument.
• 46:58
  And I think the Indy Marathon I think it was two different
• 47:01
  organizations, he helped us. So you had to have business
• 47:04
  Acumen to bring those together, marketing ideas and thoughts and
• 47:08
  operations, just, you know, blocking off the streets and all
• 47:12
  this. It's like it's amazing.
• 47:14
  The things that have to go into it.
• 47:15
  You Have to just be a coach. Again, I haven't even said that.
• 47:19
  We're just, it's amazing. Most amazing thing in the world
• 47:21
  to me. But there are many many more
• 47:23
  that other avenues for young. People going through college to
• 47:26
  become this. You brought up here and I was
• 47:28
  going to ask you because you guys when you go when your
• 47:31
  listener, if you go to their YouTube channel and it's easy,
• 47:34
  just go YouTube and literally type in running a report.
• 47:36
  It pops right up. Hit the Subscribe button.
• 47:39
  They almost when I'm recording this.
• 47:40
  I think it said 9.6 that my point 6 K I want by.
• 47:46
  The time, see if this comes out into march, by sometime in
• 47:48
  April, this thing's got to be over 10K.
• 47:50
  Well over so KJ YouTube. But when you go check out your
• 47:53
  channel your videos lots of cool editing things that I just can't
• 47:57
  even I can't even spell editing I went to school in Alabama man
• 48:00
  so I can't deal. Did you guys major anything
• 48:05
  media media related Aaron? You said you were Kinesiology
• 48:08
  which might be the farthest thing from creativity and
• 48:11
  editing and chopping it up and stuff.
• 48:13
  Josh? What about you where you at?
• 48:15
  Any kind of Journalism? Or anything like that.
• 48:18
  I was achenes Major. But then I'm out, I'm knowledge
• 48:21
  and journalism major now. So I do that now, but it all
• 48:25
  really well. Like when we started YouTube
• 48:27
  channel, like with my friends back in high school, I was it
• 48:30
  was at the same time that I was in was that class.
• 48:33
  It was like the news class for like the school and so not the
• 48:37
  news class it was just like a like a video class.
• 48:39
  So I first learned like iMovie, then I was kind of just like,
• 48:43
  kind of just like teaching myself how to do.
• 48:46
  Do it and kind of just like expanding my own creativity
• 48:49
  through like editing and stuff and just trying to see like,
• 48:52
  what I see on SportsCenter is something or First, Take, and
• 48:56
  then just trying to implement that into the YouTube videos or
• 49:00
  then for Instagram, seeing how like, first housing, all like
• 49:03
  ESPN or all these other places like do their their post or like
• 49:08
  all the smoke do their posts. And I was like, all right, I'm
• 49:10
  just going to figure this out and it at first, it was kind of
• 49:14
  hard. But then, I think that's what I
• 49:17
  learned from track and field. Like At first running, 10 miles
• 49:20
  is Duff running. Two miles is tough at first but
• 49:23
  after it's the sixth week and you're still running 10, it's
• 49:26
  all. I all right.
• 49:27
  That's the long run now. So definitely got used to it.
• 49:31
  You started out as a major in there and you work and he's
• 49:34
  major all the way through man because like that shows that if
• 49:38
  you just grind and kind of the first of all, we have no excuse
• 49:40
  anymore with YouTube and Linkedin and everything like the
• 49:44
  Google, it has everything out there, it can teach You
• 49:46
  everything that you want to do out there but I love that you
• 49:48
  didn't kind of come from that background, but taught yourself
• 49:51
  because you had a passion for like that, that seems like it's
• 49:53
  just even more authentic to me and you had man, that's what,
• 49:58
  that's what it came from. The that's what it came from.
• 50:00
  Just like, I don't know, I think at the end of the day, like my
• 50:04
  goal is to black runners, doesn't get as big as I wanted
• 50:07
  to be, but I know it can and run reports and get as big as you
• 50:10
  wanted to be. Like, I'm trying to be honest,
• 50:12
  I'm trying to be on ESPN like I'm trying to build up my wrists
• 50:15
  are Always says like, bro, like what we have right now and
• 50:18
  Instagram and stuff like you're building your resume.
• 50:20
  So I think in a sense that's what definitely it is.
• 50:23
  Just this like this side project of building my resume for
• 50:27
  wherever this takes us. And like people be telling me,
• 50:31
  I'm like, I look 16 sometimes. So, I'm on like day.
• 50:34
  I could play a child actor when I'm like 25.
• 50:38
  So I acting he's not out of the realm of possibility, either.
• 50:41
  Wherever wherever this takes me, you know, just trying to trying
• 50:45
  to do Anything that I can to like, try and stay in this space
• 50:48
  and in this Lane and see see where that takes us.
• 50:51
  I hate to say that college majors don't matter anymore, but
• 50:55
  I can tell you both that, you know, if we were to hire like,
• 50:58
  hey let's hire a full-time. Kind of videographer, social
• 51:01
  media person and I got a resume that said journalism.
• 51:05
  Okay, first of all, I was a journalism major.
• 51:07
  Do you think the things? I learned I graduated in 2000.
• 51:10
  You think the things I learned in my journalism class from 96
• 51:12
  to 2000, have a lot to do with today's It was mm.
• 51:17
  Yeah yeah, I remember being excited.
• 51:20
  Getting my first Hotmail account by first email account when I
• 51:22
  was in college. Okay, couple now we have social
• 51:25
  no phones, Etc, right. But if someone came to me and
• 51:29
  said, yeah, I may, I may have been a kinase major.
• 51:31
  But here's what I've done, I created this show and this show
• 51:34
  and we've got this many subscribers, I'll be like, okay,
• 51:37
  hold on, cause that's exactly what I want.
• 51:39
  It's like hire that guy right now.
• 51:41
  That's yeah, exactly. Right, man, I love that.
• 51:43
  I love that. What you mentioned.
• 51:45
  It earlier, I one of my favorite videos and maybe one of the
• 51:48
  First videos I kind of interacted with you.
• 51:50
  You probably don't remember because you have so many
• 51:52
  followers and so everybody interacts with you.
• 51:55
  But was the interviews from the pre-classic and I was there and
• 51:59
  I kick myself in the butt that I didn't run into you guys,
• 52:01
  because you guys did some really cool athlete interviews back in
• 52:05
  like the media room. But also like in front of the
• 52:07
  gate and whatever and stuff like that.
• 52:09
  What has been like, your most fun interview that you've done?
• 52:12
  Like, maybe the person was more quirkier than you thought they
• 52:15
  were going. To be and it had more flavor to
• 52:17
  it or something like that was kind of the most fun memory, you
• 52:20
  have of all these great people that you've interviewed.
• 52:23
  Not just famous, like athletes, you know, you interviewed
• 52:26
  regular people and coaches, as well.
• 52:27
  What's been? Like, your most standout Well, I
• 52:31
  can, I think that's that's done so many folks that's all I'll
• 52:37
  say, I'll say this right now. This wasn't, I mean, we did an
• 52:39
  interview with with Channing robbery, but I would say like
• 52:43
  this is, I just recently bias, like Shannon roberry, we met!
• 52:47
  We met her lilac. That was the first time.
• 52:49
  And bro, she is so he has so much more like energy and
• 52:53
  personality than I ever thought. Like, I feel like when she raced
• 52:57
  like she, they Only showed her like on the track and I just
• 53:01
  remember her like being like very like killer like mindset.
• 53:05
  Like but she was like, so chill. So it's so like so funny and
• 53:11
  super, and yeah. Like you're saying like very
• 53:14
  quirky. Like I did not, I did not expect
• 53:16
  that. Expect that from her.
• 53:17
  Like, I was like, yeah, she's dope.
• 53:19
  She was just a super nice, super nice person.
• 53:22
  And that was a great facility, right?
• 53:23
  Like you were Amazed by yes recently.
• 53:27
  By see, I did that track. That's all my Put that I put out
• 53:30
  there. Hey, so I replace all your cute
• 53:34
  that you killed it. Well, they did.
• 53:36
  They designed it. They did it.
• 53:37
  They did an amazing job. Josh, what about you once maybe
• 53:40
  a person that stuck out was just kind of like it was super cool
• 53:43
  or just kind of surprised you to interview I would say that would
• 53:47
  really what sticking out to me is any time that we did like the
• 53:50
  spelling bee questions and we did that like the pre-classic
• 53:54
  and we did that at Foot Locker and those were just like it was
• 53:58
  hilarious, especially Actually, what sticks out to me to is when
• 54:01
  we did Rebecca Mara, and what Abby Abby Cooper now, but she's
• 54:06
  a PD back in the day. Like, when we did them in like
• 54:09
  Rebecca, Mara actually got constanze cluster hoffen, right?
• 54:13
  And I was like, I was like how I guess it's because he's a
• 54:17
  Stanford nerd, but I just, it's just funny.
• 54:21
  And then interviewing every Abby Cooper was really fun.
• 54:24
  So, I remember like being younger and watching her when
• 54:26
  she was at Dartmouth, just like destroying but she's just Like
• 54:29
  the nicest person ever to as well and like she was just so
• 54:33
  like she was so into it trying to get these like names, right?
• 54:37
  I think she missed crave, Uncle Epsy as well.
• 54:39
  And it was just, it was just it was really just like a fun and
• 54:42
  like good time as well. And then was another person that
• 54:46
  was like surreal. It wasn't like this person
• 54:48
  wasn't really like, quirky or like, but it was just like cool
• 54:50
  and was surreal as when last year we interviewed Michael
• 54:54
  Johnson. That was like a very surreal
• 54:56
  moment. And actually, I was, I was, I
• 54:58
  was, I thought About that, because that's about almost a
• 55:00
  year to I think was in March when you interview them.
• 55:03
  So, I was just thinking about that the other day, like, I
• 55:05
  gotta, I gotta post a thing about that, like, one year from
• 55:09
  that interview, Michael Johnson. Yeah, it was, it was weird.
• 55:21
  I was always like, we really doing this is really doing this,
• 55:24
  like, is this a fake link? But no, that was, that was an
• 55:27
  awesome experience and like to hear his Hurry and learn more
• 55:31
  about like that mindset and always is definitely I would
• 55:34
  love to interview them again. I think we will interview them
• 55:36
  again at some point like that was cool.
• 55:38
  Yeah how much like that he has about the sport to and like the
• 55:42
  direction it's going and everything he's like a he's
• 55:45
  definitely like an advocate for the sport being white bigger and
• 55:48
  more mainstream to so that was super interesting.
• 55:52
  Yeah it's interesting he doesn't have a bigger presence today,
• 55:55
  right? Because like that was the giant
• 55:57
  as I was growing up through track and field, right?
• 55:59
  I mean there was no one bigger better, badder than than him
• 56:02
  beside you Carl Lewis. And then Johnson, they kind of
• 56:06
  had some crossover there, of course, but it's amazing that
• 56:09
  the old. I wonder how many kids today?
• 56:12
  I say kids know who he is, not was who he is and what he did
• 56:18
  because we're, you know, to Aaron's point about recency bias
• 56:21
  bias. We're so caught up in today and
• 56:23
  not the history of it and I'm not sure many people did as much
• 56:26
  history. Is that guy did in our sport?
• 56:28
  Yeah. And we were just talking about
• 56:30
  that to on our Orlando trip because one of the conversation
• 56:33
  is brought up just about like, how, like Steve Prefontaine,
• 56:36
  like, Steve Prefontaine being such like this.
• 56:41
  Like, he's Michael Jordan for us and track and field when like no
• 56:45
  offense, Steve Prefontaine, but Steve Prefontaine didn't do a
• 56:48
  whole lot compared to like a Michael Johnson, like the
• 56:51
  Mystique of Michael Johnson, in a Carl Lewis.
• 56:54
  And even even to his extent, like Jackie Joyner-Kersee has
• 56:58
  like Yeah, we know we may actually be thinking so I'm
• 57:06
  going to say my part first, I agree with you but we're not
• 57:10
  supposed to say that because it's pretty and it's track and
• 57:12
  everything, right? I think it's because he died
• 57:15
  early. Hmm.
• 57:17
  So what that allows us to do, like you think about this is way
• 57:20
  before, your Texas way before my time James Dean was this, you
• 57:24
  know, Rebel actor. You know the cigarettes in the
• 57:27
  short sleeve and he died early, right?
• 57:29
  And think of some of these musicians, Elvis, Presley, Etc.
• 57:32
  They died early and they become bigger than life, right?
• 57:36
  Because it a now allows guys like me and you to imagine what
• 57:41
  could have been, man? Yeah, about a Josh's.
• 57:43
  If pre would have lived, he was runner-up or for Or whatnot in
• 57:47
  the Olympics. He would have won the next one
• 57:49
  and probably 13 events and he would have said all these more
• 57:52
  American and World Records but maybe not maybe not.
• 57:57
  I think that's why pre is like this bigger than living large.
• 58:01
  We know what Michael Johnson could have done because we saw
• 58:03
  it, you know, we know what Usain Bolt and Carlos could have done
• 58:06
  because we saw it, but with pre it's like ABS.
• 58:10
  He was taken too early and so now we get to imagine all the
• 58:13
  gold medals and world records that he would have won.
• 58:17
  No. Yeah, go ahead.
• 58:22
  I was going to say that's definitely that definitely is
• 58:24
  true. And then, on top of that him
• 58:26
  being from organ and being able to have like that Nike
• 58:31
  connecting and Nike. Basically like kind of owns this
• 58:34
  word in the sentence, being able to plaster him and push him to
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  the very very top and like not really take them off of.
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  It is where that really goes as well.
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  Yeah. You're a but, you know, there
• 58:49
  was Crossover with Phil Knight who becomes Nike, right?
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  Of course. Yeah percent.
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  There's all this, you know, when we try to dissect something
• 58:58
  about why it happened. We like to try to find one
• 59:01
  thing. Like, oh, he went to Oregon.
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  That's why. Usually one thing is not the one
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  thing, so he died early. That's part of it.
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  He went to Oregon. I don't know if Prefontaine goes
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  to Villanova. Yeah, I don't, I don't think so.
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  I just and then Phil Knight, if you know, He doesn't go to
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  Oregon and create Blue Ribbon Sports and then Nike is Eugene
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  Track Town USA at that point. I don't know.
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  It's all wrapped in together. This cultural thing that you
• 59:29
  couldn't have planned. If you tried a lot of
• 59:32
  happenstance in there that made it, what it is.
• 59:35
  And now, Eugene, of course, is track and field Mecca, please
• 59:37
  for America and at least for another year, right?
• 59:40
  Because the world Champs what's interesting about that to is
• 59:44
  like, I was listening to like a podcast cities mag did with Seb
• 59:50
  Coe and he was like, talking, the ask them, like do people
• 59:53
  like outside of the us know what Eugene it is.
• 59:57
  Like it's like you're coming to America for this meat and it's
• 1:00:00
  like, it's not an l.a. like it's not like in New York.
• 1:00:05
  It's not like Anna major city, it's in Eugene, Oregon, which
• 1:00:08
  is, which is cool. But, you know, I want to have
• 1:00:12
  some races in l.a. man, like, I think that Also like Ella could
• 1:00:18
  Elevate like this pour a little bit like because those are,
• 1:00:22
  those are those are the entertainment centers of the
• 1:00:24
  world. So it's interesting but it is
• 1:00:28
  all because the film night like he really he really made all
• 1:00:31
  this happen. So like there are some things
• 1:00:33
  that feel my has done like you know the Prefontaine like is
• 1:00:36
  that the best thing for us but it's also like Nike does like
• 1:00:41
  sponsors. So many people in the sport like
• 1:00:44
  to be honest, they And so much or track and field are a big
• 1:00:47
  reason why track and field is relevant at all.
• 1:00:50
  But I also think sometimes brands have too much power.
• 1:00:53
  They control. They control the sport too much.
• 1:00:58
  Yeah, they'll disagree there, when you said about Prefontaine.
• 1:01:00
  Did you mean the person or that meat?
• 1:01:02
  Because I think that meat is one of the, oh, the meets amazing.
• 1:01:05
  I said to my easy. Yeah, okay.
• 1:01:07
  I was just wondering cause I was like, yeah, that I didn't get to
• 1:01:10
  go to the pre until relatively late in my life, like,
• 1:01:13
  literally, maybe seven years ago was my first one and I've only
• 1:01:15
  been to One other this past year that meat like, to me, that's
• 1:01:19
  like, oh, that's how track and field, should maybe be packaged,
• 1:01:21
  you know, one and a half hours. Yeah, we are.
• 1:01:24
  Something's going on at all times of great announcer,
• 1:01:27
  keeping you in the loop of stuff.
• 1:01:29
  Man, that's a meat, buddy hoof. Now the only thing Go ahead and
• 1:01:36
  say that me last year. And then the Olympic trials,
• 1:01:39
  when they had it there, that was me through.
• 1:01:42
  Those are fired, those are amazing.
• 1:01:44
  I thought you're gonna see it was hot and I was like, well,
• 1:01:46
  yeah, it was 110 degrees. So yes, sir.
• 1:01:50
  Well, two things about our trip to like pre that really
• 1:01:53
  fascinated me just about the meat.
• 1:01:54
  In general was like, we didn't meet people that either like
• 1:01:58
  that were alumni as of organ that like, did it run track or
• 1:02:02
  just people that lived in Eugene that Are like yeah this is our
• 1:02:05
  this is our 15th of Prefontaine. It was like cuz out here we got
• 1:02:10
  a Triple-A or double-a a team called the Quakes.
• 1:02:13
  It was like, people going to go watch the Quakes, you know, like
• 1:02:16
  this is their team or having season tickets to the Dodgers.
• 1:02:19
  That's how I felt like they had loyalty just to the meat and
• 1:02:23
  going out to watch it every single week and I was like, this
• 1:02:26
  is cool. This is really cool to see like
• 1:02:29
  this type of atmosphere around the meat and people people that
• 1:02:33
  we're living like they weren't By these alumni, from organ,
• 1:02:35
  didn't run on the team. They just went to Oregon like,
• 1:02:39
  probably rolled like damn, like there's a lot of hype Hayward
• 1:02:42
  Field. Let me go watch, then, probably
• 1:02:44
  just felt luck fell in love with it as well.
• 1:02:47
  Then the other thing I have to say to like about like
• 1:02:49
  Prefontaine classic and just a presentation and I like how it
• 1:02:52
  is like boom boom boom. It's like a short packaged meat
• 1:02:55
  and everything but the one thing I do wish that happens in track
• 1:02:59
  and field, I think there needs to be a little bit more of a gap
• 1:03:03
  between races. And like, we can still have like
• 1:03:06
  the field events going on. But a gap in between there where
• 1:03:10
  that definitely on the broadcast, we can build up
• 1:03:13
  what's gonna happen next. Because sometimes the things the
• 1:03:16
  next race happens and you don't really know all the storylines,
• 1:03:20
  they're happy in between. But if you're able to have like
• 1:03:24
  at least like five or six minutes in between and then on
• 1:03:27
  the field or something people are discussing like, oh, like
• 1:03:30
  this, this type of storyline who's gonna win this type of
• 1:03:33
  debate. Of what's going to happen next.
• 1:03:36
  I feel like it just will add an extra layer and bring on the
• 1:03:39
  something that we don't see bring on that extra, that extra
• 1:03:42
  spice, like in like the NFL and stuff like that to give people
• 1:03:46
  that give someone that you're behind and stuff like that.
• 1:03:48
  I just think it moves like a little bit too fast.
• 1:03:51
  I think if there's a little bit more of a gap, it would be
• 1:03:54
  better, but it would also extend to meet to like, so I don't
• 1:03:57
  know. I'm really glad you said that
• 1:03:59
  Josh, because I was a little Scared of this interview going
• 1:04:04
  so far. Because like, man, I really
• 1:04:06
  agree a lot with what Josh says, and I really agree with the
• 1:04:08
  dances. Like I'm 100% agreeance with
• 1:04:10
  them and now because you said that I get to say, yeah, no, no,
• 1:04:12
  I don't, I don't agree with that.
• 1:04:15
  Yes, you have to have a little bit of disagreements for life to
• 1:04:18
  happen. So I'm glad you said that Josh,
• 1:04:20
  because that's the worst idea in the whole world that I've ever
• 1:04:22
  heard. Yeah.
• 1:04:26
  Because when you guys did Trials of miles, you guys were doing
• 1:04:29
  some of the interviews and they put you in the little box in the
• 1:04:31
  corner. Honor to watch the next race.
• 1:04:33
  The next race was going on, but I could still hear and see your
• 1:04:37
  interview. I think I could be making that
• 1:04:38
  up, but but I believe that's what happened.
• 1:04:40
  And so I was like, oh I got to still hear and see the interview
• 1:04:43
  but I didn't miss a lap and I'm not necessarily in.
• 1:04:46
  I'm not a distance guys I don't want to see all these laps of
• 1:04:47
  the 10ks and stuff personally but it was able to have both at
• 1:04:51
  the same time but what I do agree with you Josh is how do we
• 1:04:55
  package and tell more of the story of what's going on and
• 1:04:58
  that I think is really lacking in track and field specifically
• 1:05:01
  on the college and downs. It is the team score side of it,
• 1:05:04
  you know? Right now we're using that
• 1:05:06
  Trials of Miles, the 110 meter hurdles goes off.
• 1:05:08
  And there's a winner and a second and third place outside
• 1:05:11
  of the time, which we get real hung up on track and field,
• 1:05:13
  right? If it doesn't set a world record
• 1:05:15
  or American record or whatnot, it's like well, that person
• 1:05:18
  sucked and it's like man that guy just friended me his
• 1:05:20
  personal best or whatever. It doesn't matter, they won.
• 1:05:23
  But we don't know what, how did that affect the meat?
• 1:05:27
  Not that we'd have no idea. There's a person ran.
• 1:05:29
  There's a time where person jumped, there's their distance.
• 1:05:32
  No clue how that affected organ or San Diego State or whoever
• 1:05:35
  else. Was at that meat that I think is
• 1:05:37
  where the story. And I think we've seen that with
• 1:05:40
  division one when they went, you know, a few years ago, they went
• 1:05:43
  women on like Thursday and Saturday.
• 1:05:45
  Yeah. And Men on Wednesday Friday.
• 1:05:48
  So they could focus just on the men's team title chances.
• 1:05:51
  And then the next day on the broadcast is just the women.
• 1:05:54
  I think that's helped bring people in now, to your point
• 1:05:56
  about rooting for Oregon, even though I didn't run for them or
• 1:05:59
  what not, and some people root for work and they didn't even go
• 1:06:01
  to school. Will there.
• 1:06:03
  Now I have a rooting interest. I see where organ is on the
• 1:06:05
  women's side compared to am and Florida and NC A&T Etc.
• 1:06:12
  Yeah, I think they did a really good job about that.
• 1:06:14
  The NCAA men on one day and the women.
• 1:06:16
  I think that's a really great. Great format.
• 1:06:19
  I was going to agree with you like the ncaa's is it's one of
• 1:06:23
  the best track meets of the entire year.
• 1:06:25
  Like they do the storylines. Well, you kind of can but with
• 1:06:29
  the store but I even think how they like advertise.
• 1:06:32
  The individuals is really good too, but I think that's a in
• 1:06:38
  stabilized is definitely one of the best track meets, but
• 1:06:40
  there's a lot of track Meats that like I watch and I'm like
• 1:06:44
  board. Like I think we do like the
• 1:06:46
  Olympic pretty well and like, these bigger meets but then,
• 1:06:49
  like some of the smaller ones. I don't really want to say these
• 1:06:52
  things. I don't have to like it, but I
• 1:06:55
  guess I just like recently. There was one that was really
• 1:06:58
  Heights and I was excited to watch it.
• 1:07:00
  And honestly, I was, I was bored.
• 1:07:02
  I was bored watching it and I still don't think we figured out
• 1:07:06
  like that formula to like because going to a track meet is
• 1:07:08
  dope. When you go to a track me up,
• 1:07:10
  refresh. Drag me is good.
• 1:07:11
  Like you're like, oh this is, this is cool.
• 1:07:14
  This is hype for the most part, I would say most times, but a
• 1:07:17
  lot of times watching it on TV, it doesn't the energy just
• 1:07:20
  doesn't translate translate, it doesn't feel like you're there.
• 1:07:24
  Whereas, if I'm watching, NBA playoff game and everyone's
• 1:07:26
  going crazy and the stands and stuff, like you don't even have
• 1:07:29
  to be a, you know, like, you don't have to be a basketball
• 1:07:33
  fan, and you just, you're like, oh, dang.
• 1:07:34
  Like this is like important. Like your, you can tell it's a
• 1:07:37
  big deal. Yeah, yes.
• 1:07:41
  But you know that NCAA tournament is the greatest
• 1:07:43
  example, right of like yeah people who don't care about
• 1:07:46
  basketball. I'm that guy I'm not a huge
• 1:07:47
  basketball fan but I pay attention to March Madness.
• 1:07:51
  I'd like to see when you 16 seed, you know, UMBC beats
• 1:07:54
  number one seed or the 12 seed over 8.
• 1:07:57
  There's, there's a story there, exactly right?
• 1:08:00
  You made me think about, you know, when we watch football and
• 1:08:03
  basketball, when a running back runs for 110 yards, but he's run
• 1:08:10
  for Native, for me, let's say, is PR as 180, right?
• 1:08:13
  When he runs 410. No one says, he had a bad game.
• 1:08:17
  He sucked. You know, he's running, he's run
• 1:08:19
  for a 180, but only got 110, so he sucked.
• 1:08:21
  That's what we do in track and field Shakira ya.
• 1:08:25
  Ya go. Secure your goes out and runs
• 1:08:27
  1080 and we go. Yeah.
• 1:08:28
  But she's Run 10 6 or whatever PR is.
• 1:08:30
  It's like, man, not a good race for her.
• 1:08:32
  It's like, yeah, but she won. Like what?
• 1:08:34
  Yeah, it'll be doing here. It cannot be to your point about
• 1:08:38
  when you go to the meat or if you watch on TV and it's not
• 1:08:40
  really You know, enjoyable, we become in a lot of places a time
• 1:08:44
  trial Sport and it can't be that it can't be PR or Bust, it can't
• 1:08:50
  be. I'm sorry.
• 1:08:51
  Just we won't grow. Our sport will continue to be
• 1:08:53
  where we are today. I've been saying this to like I
• 1:08:57
  think I'm just I've come to the conclusion.
• 1:08:59
  I think it's because like we are PR sport because like not every
• 1:09:04
  athlete is getting appearance fees.
• 1:09:06
  They're not getting like TV money deal, TV money.
• 1:09:11
  Like they're not getting money based off how many people are in
• 1:09:13
  the stands. They're getting money off of
• 1:09:15
  metals and occurs. So great point.
• 1:09:19
  So they're now height to race somebody like, they don't, you
• 1:09:22
  know, and I think that I think that energy is shift because
• 1:09:26
  it's everything is just like, yo, what is your time?
• 1:09:29
  Did you win this metal? It's almost like in the NBA, how
• 1:09:31
  people sit out because they're like, people don't play every
• 1:09:33
  game now because it's like, you know, if I don't get things,
• 1:09:36
  y'all going to say that I'm not good.
• 1:09:38
  So it's like I think the whole business.
• 1:09:41
  It's it's like I'm going deep into it but the whole business
• 1:09:43
  model like has to be like changed somehow to be more like
• 1:09:48
  in favor of the athletes as well.
• 1:09:50
  Let's let's pivot a little bit because definitely this is not
• 1:09:53
  going to happen by the time you're listening to this on the
• 1:09:55
  podcast. You talk about hype and, you
• 1:09:59
  know, do I have something to run for even if I don't PR or metal?
• 1:10:03
  What do you think about this? I think it's Trayvon, right?
• 1:10:06
  Trayvon. And I actually he's not the one
• 1:10:09
  who start who started cheetah started.
• 1:10:11
  It. What are you say his name again?
• 1:10:15
  I'm sorry, Tyree kill all comers and I love Trayvon tile of this
• 1:10:22
  attitude of, like I got 10 K. Where you want to go?
• 1:10:24
  Let's do it. Now, this may be a little bit.
• 1:10:27
  I do. About this one necessarily but
• 1:10:28
  then Trayvon took it another step and said, hey, I'll take, I
• 1:10:31
  can't remember the exact names with basically was to female
• 1:10:33
  u.s. athletes, and I think Marvin is, he was the other
• 1:10:36
  male, Tiana, Daniels, and I'm like, whatever that thing was to
• 1:10:40
  carry. Was this your carrier?
• 1:10:41
  Yeah, yeah, it was Secure. You can
• 1:10:55
  bring the discussion of decay. When he ran at Mount Sac, a lot
• 1:11:00
  of people were like hate it. It's a, it's a makes track a
• 1:11:03
  clown show. I actually liked it because a it
• 1:11:06
  showed a really good athlete. Do you keep madcap amazing
• 1:11:09
  athlete and he got smoked and he actually really practiced like
• 1:11:13
  he really took it serious. And you my little not have been
• 1:11:16
  the right bro. And now with Trayvon is this the
• 1:11:20
  way track goes is this the way we should be doing it?
• 1:11:23
  Or is this just going to help with maybe the other things that
• 1:11:25
  we need to be doing, is making a Land on PR Sport and all that
• 1:11:28
  kind of stuff. I'm gonna go there and want to
• 1:11:31
  talk about, you want you to you to make.
• 1:11:34
  You want to talk about DK, Aaron, I'll let you get that.
• 1:11:39
  All right girl I got a big I got opinions on this.
• 1:11:42
  So first thing DK Metcalf I don't like that.
• 1:11:46
  I think that's dumb. Okay.
• 1:11:47
  And I think that's down because that because as you said like
• 1:11:53
  like we're turning into like this PR sport, right?
• 1:11:56
  Like this guy was celebrated for getting like last place you know
• 1:12:01
  people were still football players like oh well here and
• 1:12:03
  coddle fast whatever. Like oh he held his own.
• 1:12:06
  Oh, my go. It shows that he got smoke.
• 1:12:10
  Didn't show that crave on Good Life.
• 1:12:12
  See went to Mount Sac and came back to his home, home home town
• 1:12:15
  and won the race. No one knew about that, it did,
• 1:12:19
  I think it put all the tension on DK, Metcalf and not the
• 1:12:22
  people in the other lanes. And I also think about it.
• 1:12:25
  Good point because I wouldn't have had, I wouldn't have taken
• 1:12:28
  the bet. I didn't know who won that race,
• 1:12:30
  that's a real. That was a really good point.
• 1:12:32
  He's thinking about is like, it, was he bringing up here gone for
• 1:12:33
  as I go? He won.
• 1:12:35
  That's right. Exactly.
• 1:12:37
  And I'm like, yo, DK, you took He probably got paid to go there
• 1:12:40
  and stuff too. And it's like you took the lane
• 1:12:42
  from somebody that was trying to qualify for the Olympic trials.
• 1:12:45
  You all here playing around I ain't buying that because
• 1:12:47
  there's other beats this mystery person could have could have hit
• 1:12:50
  and and they ran prelim. So someone had their chance to
• 1:12:54
  beat him to get into the final and that race.
• 1:12:56
  So I'm not buying that part especially because we're talking
• 1:12:59
  back in the 10:3 range, so I'm sorry if mr. 1027 didn't get a
• 1:13:03
  chance to still not rely for the Olympic trials, I am with Navi.
• 1:13:11
  Circus, you know, it took off who should have gotten credit,
• 1:13:14
  Gillespie 100% should have got credit for winning a big meet
• 1:13:18
  100 meter dash, certainly. So I don't think that, I don't
• 1:13:21
  think that meat, like, May what more people watch the Olympics
• 1:13:25
  or its track, or I don't think it did anything for track
• 1:13:28
  athletes. But this other thing though, I
• 1:13:31
  like this better, I like that idea better like having like a
• 1:13:36
  male Bracy shekere and yeah. Downs versus some Aika football
• 1:13:41
  team. I think there's a way that you
• 1:13:43
  can incorporate like fun stuff like this, but I don't think you
• 1:13:46
  should do it at a serious serious me.
• 1:13:49
  Like maybe there's like an All-Star me at the end of the
• 1:13:52
  year or something, but I also like trayvon's attitude around
• 1:13:55
  it too. Because like this, that's an
• 1:13:57
  ESPN topic where you could be talking about subscription
• 1:14:00
  because she carry Richardson is the main reason if she does it,
• 1:14:03
  that's gonna like, you know, that's gonna, you know, a tithe
• 1:14:06
  turn any boats or whatever that's Going to turn heads.
• 1:14:09
  That's the topic. You could talk about on there
• 1:14:11
  and then it's going to be like, yo, you're going to want to
• 1:14:13
  watch her race. You're gonna watch her race
• 1:14:15
  Morgan. She's already already doing
• 1:14:17
  that. And I just feel like to like I'm
• 1:14:19
  tired. I am tired of these NFL players
• 1:14:21
  keep on saying like, oh, we gonna race going race.
• 1:14:24
  It's like, bro, just pull up like, dang Grace row.
• 1:14:27
  Hey, it's like, y'all not gonna y'all?
• 1:14:29
  There's talking to talking, I think, bro, Mel's just like,
• 1:14:31
  bro, pull up, like, here's my team, get anyone, I agree, Josh.
• 1:14:36
  That it ain't gonna happen. First of all, my man ray.
• 1:14:38
  Trying to make it happen. He's got you know Ray Edwards.
• 1:14:41
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, get out Ray. I know re listening but I love
• 1:14:44
  him to death. Good friend of mine, he's
• 1:14:46
  running he's doing a meet in Atlanta on May 7 so he's trying
• 1:14:48
  to get that four by one hooked up, right?
• 1:14:50
  But here's the other reason why it's not going to happen.
• 1:14:52
  Josh, the money ain't nothing for the NFL guys.
• 1:14:57
  So you know, attract guy, 60 grand for a track guy.
• 1:14:59
  I don't care at this point unless you know, former Usain
• 1:15:02
  Bolt 60k for any of our tribe people is like yeah, where do
• 1:15:06
  you want me to be? I'm racing for it, right?
• 1:15:08
  Yeah. That guys like look, man, I ride
• 1:15:09
  the bench and I make two Mill. Let's 60k.
• 1:15:13
  That's, I got that on my wrist, you know, so I'm gonna happen
• 1:15:17
  for that alone. That is just like there's no
• 1:15:18
  motivation for the for the NFL guy.
• 1:15:21
  There's motivation for the track people.
• 1:15:22
  I don't think there's motivation for the NFL, guys.
• 1:15:25
  I think it would be really cool race though especially the four
• 1:15:28
  by one. And if we can tie this together
• 1:15:30
  with grand Holloway arrived, Benjamin running that 200 meter
• 1:15:34
  hurdle race, and the same meat. I think it could be something
• 1:15:37
  that we can definitely watch and if we can get people like
• 1:15:40
  Terrell Owens and Chad Ochocinco.
• 1:15:42
  Go on the other side and maybe like a Michael Parsons,
• 1:15:45
  especially like t 0, and 0 with them entire, you kill as well
• 1:15:48
  because like, T ohen and Ochocinco, like they going to
• 1:15:51
  talk to. So like getting those
• 1:15:54
  personalities, and then have them get shut up by track
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  athletes. And my, my hope is that like
• 1:16:00
  somebody's gonna run them down. That Trayvon bromell is going to
• 1:16:03
  run them down, or Marvin race is going to run them down.
• 1:16:05
  And just prove that like On that 4x1.
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  Raise the two females in the two males versus the for male and a
• 1:16:21
  Fellers that, you know, of course, it depends on who they
• 1:16:24
  get from the NFL. But the the two people running
• 1:16:26
  the legs against the, women aren't going to lose the NFL
• 1:16:29
  ours aren't okay. So it really comes down to the
• 1:16:33
  two male legs and the handoffs. Yeah.
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  And we've all seen enough for by ones.
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  And this isn't a pic on Team. USA, I ain't even going there.
• 1:16:42
  I'm just um, Head coughs. Like do you really want to like
• 1:16:44
  get we lose a lot of, a lot of moxie and track and field if
• 1:16:49
  these in the fillers beat us because we felt true fumbled the
• 1:16:52
  Baton and we should if we can't get the Baton around but the NFL
• 1:16:56
  players can like, come on, that's bad.
• 1:16:59
  They just gotta practice. They just gotta practice man and
• 1:17:02
  I feel like it's going to be especially hard because like I
• 1:17:06
  feel like no matter what, like Trayvon bromell is going to run
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  up on. She carry, no matter how hard
• 1:17:11
  she carried gets out like If that's the handoff like he's
• 1:17:13
  going to run up on her. It's gonna be awkward hand off
• 1:17:16
  but our RTO and shout out to Chad Johnson, really gonna get
• 1:17:20
  Dad, get of a handoff off. Like they probably be stumbling
• 1:17:22
  bumbling. They're gonna be like a do the
• 1:17:24
  four by four by four. Yes, they're not going.
• 1:17:26
  Like they're not going like that.
• 1:17:28
  I don't think that they're gonna do that.
• 1:17:29
  I think even worse. I think the outgoing Runner
• 1:17:31
  won't go out so they'll be oh yeah sitting there and so the
• 1:17:35
  run is going to run up on them. It'll be you know it'll be a
• 1:17:37
  whole whole thing. All right, I'm having so much
• 1:17:39
  fun. I got another subject.
• 1:17:40
  I want to bring up specifically on the four by one pause.
• 1:17:42
  That you mentioned the Rob judgment and Grant Holloway is
• 1:17:48
  that not making track and field, the circus we're taking two guys
• 1:17:52
  out of their main events to put them together.
• 1:17:56
  I know it's not an NFL player but that's not traditional
• 1:17:58
  track. Is that not bringing circus or
• 1:18:00
  is that that's okay because we're not bringing in another
• 1:18:02
  sport person. I think that's that's
• 1:18:05
  competition, that's taking the pr is out of it.
• 1:18:08
  That's being competitive and creative and putting Ali, the
• 1:18:13
  two grand hallway doesn't have the American record in the 110
• 1:18:16
  hurdles yet, but putting the to have it by the time this
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  Publishers and it's not even outdoor season.
• 1:18:21
  Yeah. So like that's putting the two
• 1:18:26
  best like that's putting a heavyweight fight together like
• 1:18:29
  a promoter bringing that together and like, see what
• 1:18:33
  could happen and what was it? Is it I always forget the names
• 1:18:37
  but what was the pay-per-view meet back in the day, was it
• 1:18:40
  Michael Johnson and was that Maurice Greene?
• 1:18:42
  You're so young, it can know it was, it was go ahead.
• 1:18:46
  Go ahead. It was Maurice.
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  Greene and Michael Johnson. Yes.
• 1:18:50
  Okay. Okay, it hurts me.
• 1:18:51
  What about that 150 though? Or that to that Mike Donovan and
• 1:18:56
  Michael that's what it. Yeah I'm with you.
• 1:18:58
  Yeah that's what it was. That that was iconic for my age
• 1:19:01
  group. Yeah yeah I'm with you I didn't
• 1:19:04
  think about that and it's kind of the same comparison.
• 1:19:07
  Yeah. Yeah, most definitely I think
• 1:19:09
  that will bring even more attention to these characters in
• 1:19:13
  a sense, larger-than-life characters.
• 1:19:15
  Now, when and if that's definitely, I fly, even if it's
• 1:19:18
  aired on YouTube, like ain't get playtime and it can get
• 1:19:21
  somewhere. Like, people are going to see
• 1:19:23
  that this is happening, but that just brings even more attention
• 1:19:26
  around Grand Hall away and Rye Benjamin when it becomes 2024.
• 1:19:31
  Because, you know, they're going to be talking about when they're
• 1:19:33
  on the start line. Oh, they also did this Amazing
• 1:19:36
  Race where he He competed against the fastest 400-meter
• 1:19:39
  hurdles are in the world and so it's all like, I think that
• 1:19:43
  brings extra elements in them. What are you talking to the very
• 1:19:46
  people? You don't need to be marketing
• 1:19:47
  to and that's current track fans.
• 1:19:49
  We don't need to be Market. Do we need to get those other
• 1:19:52
  people who aren't coming to meets?
• 1:19:55
  I think that I think I meet like that can get because like the
• 1:19:58
  DK. Make everything I go back to
• 1:19:59
  that. Like, I think that got maybe
• 1:20:02
  some, like, who did that get to watch?
• 1:20:04
  Like, maybe some football people like I do and also this, I said,
• 1:20:07
  when I came out, I was like, I 100% bet you like most of the
• 1:20:11
  people just watch it on ESPN him.
• 1:20:14
  Everyone on ESPN was watching a prelim of this dude getting
• 1:20:18
  last. There was like, yeah, this is so
• 1:20:19
  good for our sport. Yeah, yeah, that's us.
• 1:20:22
  Like, bro, that isn't do anything.
• 1:20:24
  Like we have a think of how do we activate that person that ran
• 1:20:27
  in high school? You know, he has like some
• 1:20:30
  knowledge of it. I was 100% wrong on this.
• 1:20:32
  I didn't necessarily think that that race itself that, you know,
• 1:20:36
  when it was aired On TV was the big thing.
• 1:20:39
  I thought I would put money on this that during NFL season.
• 1:20:42
  Anytime DK met cap did something.
• 1:20:45
  They would have said and look what he did this past summer, he
• 1:20:47
  wouldn't get smoked at the, you know, this track meet or
• 1:20:49
  whatever. And I don't think that I don't
• 1:20:50
  watch NFL but I don't remember seeing in the twitterverse no
• 1:20:53
  one said like look, man. They brought up how he gets
• 1:20:55
  smoked, it feels like, yeah, whatever, track and field.
• 1:20:58
  We're just gonna stay focused on what we're doing on the field.
• 1:21:01
  Yeah, most definitely but I think like Joshua said, like
• 1:21:05
  adding in like the competition and hype.
• 1:21:08
  And I think if you do like a meat like that, that's when you
• 1:21:10
  can add in like Tyree kill versus you saying bowl or
• 1:21:14
  something, or maybe like you have a meet where we here we
• 1:21:18
  have like regular hundred races but then we have like, you know,
• 1:21:21
  a fun celebrity, huh injury? And we have like t0 and Chad,
• 1:21:24
  they're racing each other, but we know they not on the level of
• 1:21:27
  our athletes at all. So that Back to those old shows,
• 1:21:31
  the world's greatest athlete type shows where they would take
• 1:21:35
  like the, you know, top football player, a top actor, a top
• 1:21:38
  baseball player and they would do like these different, you
• 1:21:40
  know, Sprints. And then also, you know tire
• 1:21:43
  swings, I was kind of, you know, it was, it was kind of a cool
• 1:21:45
  little athletic All-Stars, the TV show that they had, that was
• 1:21:49
  really popular back in the day I Pros vs Jose that was I think it
• 1:21:53
  was on Spike. I think I was on Spike back in
• 1:21:55
  the day. I used to watch that.
• 1:21:57
  Didn't someone die from that? Then I run it D be like kill
• 1:22:00
  somebody. D.
• 1:22:01
  I may be an exaggeration but it was it was one more question and
• 1:22:07
  then we'll start wrapping up. I'm having such a ball.
• 1:22:09
  Thank you guys so much for. This is really just a personal
• 1:22:11
  for me. I'm just having a good time and
• 1:22:13
  thank you so much for everything.
• 1:22:14
  So here's my other thought, okay?
• 1:22:16
  Because you guys are into it man.
• 1:22:17
  So I want to know. I have all these ideas that I
• 1:22:19
  don't always put on Twitter. I know people think I put
• 1:22:21
  everything on Twitter but there's some that I keep back.
• 1:22:23
  All right, so we're talking about four by one.
• 1:22:26
  What if because the big problem with four by one is the top
• 1:22:29
  three plus The fourth person is in, you know, maybe one or two
• 1:22:33
  other people write or in this group for the Relay, for the
• 1:22:36
  Olympics or the world Champs. Right?
• 1:22:38
  And then it's hard to practice and of course there's all the
• 1:22:40
  politics, you know, the anchors and whatnot and blah, blah blah,
• 1:22:43
  right? So people have always said that
• 1:22:46
  we should be able to take any for Americans and when the four
• 1:22:48
  by one. So what if we took place has
• 1:22:51
  five, six, seven and eight, They didn't make the team
• 1:22:55
  conceivably. So let's say they, let's say
• 1:22:56
  there's no 200 M and things like that, right?
• 1:22:59
  We take those four people. And now, for the time, between
• 1:23:02
  the trials in the Olympics and or the world Champs, those four
• 1:23:05
  people are our 4 by 1 and so they're doing nothing but
• 1:23:08
  practicing for by one. They don't worry about Run 100
• 1:23:10
  meter Heats or 200 or Heats etcetera.
• 1:23:12
  They are practicing and they're kind of lucky to be on the team
• 1:23:16
  but they are four by one team. So, they would go through the
• 1:23:21
  final. Yeah, those number five, six,
• 1:23:25
  seven and eight. That's our team.
• 1:23:26
  That's who we are practicing fix.
• 1:23:28
  Ya in their practice. Yeah.
• 1:23:29
  Because they don't have to worry about the hundred meter open and
• 1:23:31
  all this other stuff, they just focus on the 401.
• 1:23:33
  Your silence tells me that was the dumbest idea in the world is
• 1:23:36
  what I'm hearing. I'm just like, someone's gonna
• 1:23:38
  be of say, you messing up somebody's wedding man.
• 1:23:41
  And like I need this metal. No, no.
• 1:23:43
  I still have a shot at the end of a metal.
• 1:23:47
  They want they're going to want to be on that, they're going to
• 1:23:50
  want to metals like they're going to want all of it.
• 1:23:54
  I'm sorry. Always get what we want, what is
• 1:23:59
  it? It's like if that were to, if
• 1:24:01
  that was an initiative that happened though, like I could
• 1:24:04
  under ask the one Christian Coleman and and these people on
• 1:24:08
  the, I want, I trust them being on, like you got this tic last
• 1:24:11
  leg like you going to get it there but then it's all like I
• 1:24:15
  do understand because definitely for the you It's over.
• 1:24:18
  I don't know, I feel like ever since I've been alive, it's
• 1:24:22
  always been. Are we going to make this stick
• 1:24:24
  around all the way especially on the men's side?
• 1:24:27
  So if that was implemented, that would make sense and it would be
• 1:24:31
  something different but it's on. Like when we can get the stick
• 1:24:33
  around its dominant 2019. Like that was, that was
• 1:24:38
  beautiful to watch. Like really, is it really that
• 1:24:42
  bad? Is it really that bad that we
• 1:24:44
  gotta get five, six, seven, and eight like we can Can't trust.
• 1:24:48
  Maybe first of all, it's not it shouldn't be that bad go.
• 1:24:51
  Look at the results. First of all.
• 1:24:52
  So yes, in general second of all, we'd still win possibly
• 1:25:01
  possibly, go look, go back in the trials, I'm going to do this
• 1:25:04
  on Twitter. Now, go back in the child who
• 1:25:06
  got five, six, seven, I guarantee their studies.
• 1:25:08
  They made our finals, it ain't no joke to make our finals in
• 1:25:11
  the hundred. And I just is everything that
• 1:25:15
  chance to get two metals though. To like like, it's like, yo, I'm
• 1:25:18
  the best in the world. If I want to be on the floor, by
• 1:25:20
  one I should be on E. I want to get two metals.
• 1:25:23
  And unfortunately, in the last several Olympics, no one's had
• 1:25:26
  that he messing because we haven't gotten the sticker on
• 1:25:29
  and this one was the worst one, right.
• 1:25:30
  Because we actually got to stick around and we didn't make it but
• 1:25:34
  I have something that could also help the problem as well.
• 1:25:38
  I think, I US championships we should have a 4 by 1 race.
• 1:25:43
  And I'm not saying putting like the All-Star team together but
• 1:25:46
  everyone coming with their different Sprint groups.
• 1:25:49
  Or if you don't want to be a part of it, you don't got to be
• 1:25:50
  a part of it. But you just like practicing for
• 1:25:53
  by one kind of just at least even just two weeks out before
• 1:25:57
  USA's and kind of continuing that.
• 1:26:00
  And then seeing how people pass around the stick and then you
• 1:26:03
  can get an extra bonus for that person.
• 1:26:05
  That team that wins, I'll get a bonus for winning, the four by
• 1:26:07
  one at the end of the meat. I think that as more excitement
• 1:26:11
  to USA's in a way because Like, oh, we get to see a relay and
• 1:26:14
  it's all like, we're practicing for by one all throughout the
• 1:26:17
  year. Not just three weeks before the
• 1:26:19
  World Championships or the week of the Olympics.
• 1:26:23
  Trayvon's group wins the four by one at the Olympic trials, but
• 1:26:26
  Marvin Bracy wins the hundred meter open in.
• 1:26:28
  Marvin says, that's not fair. I wanted to win my two metals.
• 1:26:32
  I think you have to, I think if you requirements like, hey, you
• 1:26:36
  have to participate in a 4 by 1. If you want to be on the floor
• 1:26:38
  by like at least have ran a real AI USA's if you're going to be
• 1:26:43
  on the team at the Olympics. I think that's kind of I think
• 1:26:46
  that's fair here and then that for by one team that wins at
• 1:26:49
  USA's like there if you don't make it in like the hundred or
• 1:26:53
  whatever you're in the real, a pool and in the top three are in
• 1:26:55
  the real, a pool. And that's the coach's, just
• 1:26:58
  pick and choose who had the best hand offs?
• 1:27:02
  For sure guys. We ain't solving this period,
• 1:27:06
  not even today, State solve it. All right, let's wrap it up
• 1:27:08
  here, guys. Me and I'll talk to you guys for
• 1:27:10
  hours, man. What I really want to know is
• 1:27:13
  you know, I really enjoy your content, what you do.
• 1:27:16
  I love your thought processes, I love the spelling game, things
• 1:27:20
  like that. I just love being able to see
• 1:27:21
  the personalities that they athletes.
• 1:27:23
  Although I'm very much focused on the coaches, I would wish you
• 1:27:25
  guys would do more coaching stuff.
• 1:27:26
  But what's the future? Where we going with this?
• 1:27:29
  What do you? What do you hope running report?
• 1:27:32
  It to Black to black runners podcast?
• 1:27:34
  What are we hoping this goes into Josh, you kind of mentioned
• 1:27:37
  you Josh is the future guy isn't here because he kept talking
• 1:27:40
  about the future is resume being on ESPN, but what are we trying
• 1:27:43
  to do here with this? With what your you guys are
• 1:27:46
  creating your creativity, I wouldn't say I'm the future guy,
• 1:27:49
  but Aaron has like a whole bunch ideas, what he wants to do, but
• 1:27:53
  I'll stick. I'll stick to the running report
• 1:27:55
  side and then I'll let Aaron go off to.
• 1:27:57
  I think, really for grunting report, especially in 2022, we
• 1:28:01
  went to kind of This umbrella of that is the Run report that kind
• 1:28:05
  of just spits out this news media that we do that's for to
• 1:28:09
  culture and viticulture and always through that and do that
• 1:28:13
  through video. So trying to bring that what you
• 1:28:17
  see on SportsCenter on Fox Sports on NFL Network, and MLB
• 1:28:21
  Network to try and bring that to running through Instagram and
• 1:28:25
  YouTube through different types of types of shows.
• 1:28:27
  So actually in March, we're going to start doing our running
• 1:28:30
  reports show more like week. Ali.
• 1:28:32
  And then we're going to do some other shows to like focusing on
• 1:28:36
  high school track and field as well.
• 1:28:39
  And so that's definitely coming very soon that just try and
• 1:28:42
  bring that more like debate style and relax and just
• 1:28:45
  building up the storylines weekly and monthly throughout
• 1:28:49
  leading up to the world championships and really for
• 1:28:51
  running report trying to build build just trying to build a
• 1:28:56
  video platform to where that you can go on YouTube and kind of
• 1:29:00
  just get that same argument that In about Steven, A going off on
• 1:29:04
  Kyrie Irving, but instead will be me and Aaron going off on
• 1:29:07
  Christian Coleman and that will be, that will be the topic and
• 1:29:11
  be able to get that type of fixed cause I feel like that
• 1:29:14
  really was able to connect to our uncle's and away and like
• 1:29:18
  our uncle's our ran track. And what about one of my uncle's
• 1:29:20
  he actually still has a 4 by1 record at Cal State Northridge
• 1:29:24
  and so I think for them to see us and be connected back into
• 1:29:29
  like track and field. If that's my barometer innocence
• 1:29:32
  like if they're able to like get it and want to see like when
• 1:29:36
  milrose and Prefontaine and New Balance and or Grand Prix comes
• 1:29:39
  back on like they're tuning in and recording the go watch.
• 1:29:42
  I'm alright we're doing something right for me.
• 1:29:47
  I want I want running reports to be like ultimately embedded into
• 1:29:52
  the culture of like that Canfield but like just running
• 1:29:56
  as well. I want us to be like cuz running
• 1:29:59
  report will become Mike umbrella of to buy Grinders and other
• 1:30:03
  shows that were working on. But I wanted to be because I see
• 1:30:06
  two black, I see two black renders the podcast like as
• 1:30:09
  we're just two black runners and we're not limited to just we're
• 1:30:13
  just to buy Grinders and we can speak to anyone.
• 1:30:15
  And I ultimately I like, if that's someone from a coach, if
• 1:30:19
  that's someone like designing shoes, if that's athlete.
• 1:30:23
  If we're telling you about opportunities in the track and
• 1:30:26
  field space, I see, like, I don't know if you ever watched
• 1:30:29
  like The Breakfast Club but their whole show is seeing
• 1:30:30
  around music. Make sure they bring on policy.
• 1:30:33
  I'm so old, I was wrong breakfast, not the movie but I
• 1:30:36
  do know Breakfast Club. What's his name?
• 1:30:39
  Charlamagne, hi Charlamagne. Yeah of course yeah this show is
• 1:30:42
  show it came from music, it's a radio show but you see them
• 1:30:45
  interviewing Camilla Herrick Camilla Harris.
• 1:30:47
  You see them interviewing Little Wayne.
• 1:30:49
  But and you you'll see them even interviewing like religious
• 1:30:52
  leaders like any type of person that interview but it's all
• 1:30:55
  centered around music and also like Black Culture as well.
• 1:30:59
  And I see that within the two black runners, but I want the
• 1:31:02
  writing reports become embedded within just deeper than running
• 1:31:07
  track and field just like running culture, but at the end
• 1:31:10
  of the day, our core is always going to be tracking field into
• 1:31:13
  like do it for and by the culture to get prove, it make it
• 1:31:17
  more mainstream. And I would say our goal isn't
• 1:31:20
  technically like to be big like Aaron and be on the podcast.
• 1:31:24
  You like we want to be the best podcast in the world and like he
• 1:31:27
  believes that we are and like some of that definitely comes
• 1:31:29
  with it but I think I think we really just want to have an
• 1:31:33
  impact on running and so like even if two black runners and
• 1:31:37
  run report isn't the biggest thing ever?
• 1:31:39
  Like, I think what we do is different and I think a lot of
• 1:31:42
  people can take from it. So if they take from us and like
• 1:31:45
  run with it, like I would be, I'll be Satisfied, I'll be
• 1:31:49
  Satisfied and then hopefully if like we fall off, they'll pick
• 1:31:53
  me up and be all like, well, you can work for us.
• 1:31:55
  I'm like, yeah, I know I can't, I'll talk to you this now.
• 1:31:57
  Just saying, but I'm just saying, like, I think, I think I
• 1:32:01
  want to leave it. In a mark on the sport for that,
• 1:32:04
  people are starting to implement what we're doing.
• 1:32:07
  Because I think that I don't I feel like that is some of the
• 1:32:10
  new stuff that's in it and bringing that sort of new style
• 1:32:13
  and stuff like that. And that's the only way track
• 1:32:16
  and field. It's gonna get mainstream there,
• 1:32:18
  has to be a change. There has to be a change that
• 1:32:21
  happens. That's traumatic.
• 1:32:22
  And so, once though, dramatic change start happy, and I feel
• 1:32:26
  like they slowly are through all different types of spaces like
• 1:32:30
  that type of impacted. What really?
• 1:32:32
  Hours to us, not really getting those big numbers really down
• 1:32:35
  the line and being the best ever.
• 1:32:37
  Which would be nice though. And but you know that impact,
• 1:32:40
  that's that's the main point. Well, I can tell you doing it on
• 1:32:44
  a daily basis. It's hard to step back and see
• 1:32:47
  it. You guys are you already have?
• 1:32:49
  And are making an impact. I mean, the very fact that a guy
• 1:32:52
  like me, like glommed onto you. Like when I first saw your
• 1:32:55
  interview style at trials and Miles, like that's not a mattock
• 1:32:58
  impact is like oh this this different.
• 1:33:00
  And I like this better than what I've seen.
• 1:33:02
  You know, in the past. So first of all you guys have an
• 1:33:05
  are making an impact and as far as the other goals, the bigger
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  impact and change and you even, I'm going to use the word
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  copycat having people copycat off of what you guys do.
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  Whether it's ESPN takes this style, Etc.
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  That's all good, right? Because that's kind of how you.
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  And by the way, me everybody, that we started, right?
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  You started seeing Steven Naismith?
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  And yeah, there's other guys. It's like, well, wait a minute,
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  I can do that over here in this. Exactly, so I love that.
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  And I think if anybody can do it, you guys.
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  Can I really We do man. I think, you know, your
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  intelligence, your passion, it comes through in every single
• 1:33:38
  piece of content that you put out, whether it's interviewing a
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  Russell Dinkins, love him to death.
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  He was just on the podcast last week, the video, the interviews.
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  I mean, it's a wide. It's a lot of different skill
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  sets inside of the media that you're working on my mama say
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  Council. And that seems like, you know,
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  I'm here, don't take it that way is, but the biggest advice or
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  counsel I You guys is patience. Meaning there are plenty of
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  people and you've seen this that are overnight Sensations because
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  they put in the work for 10 years, you know, there is no
• 1:34:13
  overnight sensation but you're going to have that hit in some
• 1:34:16
  point whether its next month, next year, 10 years from now,
• 1:34:19
  you guys are going to be big time.
• 1:34:21
  People are going to be like oh yeah you know, why I do what I
• 1:34:23
  do because what the pots brothers did or we're on this
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  show because of what we interviewed this one cat or
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  whatever, you know saying like it.
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  It's gonna hit for you guys because you have the talent in
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  the intelligence and the passion for it man.
• 1:34:36
  So I'm just so happy ecstatic, for what you guys are doing.
• 1:34:39
  I'm glad I'm kind of on the ground floor, man, because in 10
• 1:34:41
  years, I'll be able to say. Yeah, I knew those guys win, you
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  know. So I'm just just want to bless
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  you guys, man. Thank you for what you're doing
• 1:34:47
  for our Sport. And I told you earlier in this
• 1:34:49
  podcast and I think we need more media in our sport, whether it's
• 1:34:52
  the local YouTube live show or local, you know, small podcast
• 1:34:57
  or big. It doesn't matter to me, I think
• 1:34:59
  we need more people because it brings in more And so I'm just
• 1:35:03
  super pumped and excited for what you guys do, man, thank you
• 1:35:05
  so much for what you're doing. I appreciate that.
• 1:35:09
  I really do appreciate. This is a great interview to.
• 1:35:11
  I didn't your great interview. This is a great show.
• 1:35:12
  I really, I really do appreciate you having us on and everything
• 1:35:16
  and just speaking speaking wisdom on I really, really do
• 1:35:20
  appreciate it. Josh awesome
• 1:35:35
  links in the show notes and all that kind of stuff, but here,
• 1:35:37
  Your best show notes, Google literally Google are and Josh
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  pots, that's all you got a Google.
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  There ain't no other ones out there.
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  That already pots Brothers out there.
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  It's just these guys and go look at, it's running report.com,
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  right? I didn't check the actual dot
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  section as a.com. Yeah, writing report Dash.com.
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  There it is that. Okay, yeah, so go there, you're
• 1:35:59
  listening to a podcast right now, so literally, whatever app
• 1:36:01
  you're in search to black runners podcast, it'll pop right
• 1:36:05
  up. Check them out.
• 1:36:06
  He's they're kind of like our show Well, you shows actually
• 1:36:09
  little bit more topical, meaning, like you bring up
• 1:36:12
  topics that are happening right now.
• 1:36:13
  We're mine's more. You know, ours is more
• 1:36:15
  Evergreen. Like, you know, you can go back
• 1:36:16
  to listen to episode number one right now for us.
• 1:36:18
  And it's still topical because it's about that person.
• 1:36:21
  But love what you guys are doing on a, you know, real topical
• 1:36:25
  timely basis. So please check them out.
• 1:36:27
  Go to YouTube, I better have better.
• 1:36:29
  See, 10,000 plus subscribers. By the time, April comes me.
• 1:36:33
  All right, I do it for these guys, man, I do nothing.
• 1:36:35
  So thank you so much, guys. Super Pumped that you join us
• 1:36:39
  today. Humbled that you tell us your
• 1:36:40
  stories and share with us in. Really your time, it's one of
• 1:36:43
  the most valuable things you can give me.
• 1:36:44
  So I'm just super thankful that you guys would join us today.
• 1:36:49
  Thank you. Thank you for having selling.
• 1:36:59
  Thanks Mike what an incredible journey coach has been on so
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• 1:37:05
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• 1:37:08
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