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The kenny Report | 18 June · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Laura from the Sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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Speaker 2: The very politicians and public servants who are fueling the
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Speaker 2: cost of living crisis are shielded from it by hefty
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Speaker 2: pay rises. Anthony Albaneze's shamed into criticizing China's bullyboy tactics
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Speaker 2: against Sky News journalist Chang Lay. Peter Dutton takes up
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Speaker 2: the fight against reckless renewables and transmission lines crisscrossing our nation.
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Speaker 1: The Democrats crank up their.
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Speaker 2: Attacks on convicted Donald Trump, as Joe Biden admits taking
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Speaker 2: advice from his convicted son Hunter. We'll also look at NDS,
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Speaker 2: waste and lots more, plus Stephen Senna, Tiempo, Souzio O'Brien,
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Speaker 2: Tim Blair, and Kristen Tate.
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Speaker 1: Let's get started.
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Speaker 2: Look, there never is a good time for politicians and
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Speaker 2: bureaucrats to get a pay rise, but the middle of
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Speaker 2: a cost of living crisis is probably the worst, especially
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Speaker 2: when you consider it's the politicians with their prolific pandemic
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Speaker 2: spending which was way over the top and was always
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Speaker 2: going to generate inflation, and they've also refused to rein
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Speaker 2: it in since the pandemic. Well, it's their actions that
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Speaker 2: have largely driven inflation up and forced interest rates high.
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Speaker 2: The Reserve Bank left interest rates on hold again today,
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Speaker 2: but there are signs that with state budgets pumping debt
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Speaker 2: fueled spending into the economy along.
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Speaker 1: With Canberra, rates could go up again and certainly won't
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Speaker 1: go down for a while.
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Speaker 3: Yet it's tough just to keep up with essentials, groceries, petrol, health, education, rents,
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Speaker 3: insurance expenses.
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Speaker 1: I could go on.
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Speaker 3: They're all going up. We still think we're on the
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Speaker 3: narrow path. It does appear to be getting a bit narrower.
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Speaker 3: We need a lot to go our way if we're
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Speaker 3: going to bring inflation back down to the two percent
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Speaker 3: target range.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yet, despite all this, despite the politician's dueling the economic crisis,
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Speaker 2: our politicians are now shielded from it by pay rises.
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Speaker 2: They got one just over a year ago, and now
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Speaker 2: they're getting another one three and a half percent. This
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Speaker 2: takes a backbench's salary the base rate from about two
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Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five thousand dollars a year to two
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Speaker 2: hundred and thirty four thousand dollars, plus plenty of perks.
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Speaker 2: Of course, the prime minister's salary tops six hundred grand
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Speaker 2: for the first time, a twenty thousand dollars rise, taking
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albernezi's paid to more than six hundred and seven
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars a year now. Sure, many private sector wages
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Speaker 2: have been boosted in recent years, but many, if not most,
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Speaker 2: of us haven't moved too much at all. Certainly haven't
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Speaker 2: kept up with inflation. And the pay rises that are
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Speaker 2: really hard to swallow are the public service payhikes where
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Speaker 2: productivity is low, where there are all sorts of indulgences
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Speaker 2: with extra leave and huge superannuation, and massive numbers of
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Speaker 2: public servants working from home, of course, and when labour
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Speaker 2: keeps employing thousands more people to do ever less, the
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Speaker 2: very top public servants are getting a thirty thousand dollar
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Speaker 2: pay rise, taking the head of Prime Minister and Cabinet
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Speaker 2: to over a million dollars a year. A million dollars
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Speaker 2: a year to run a government department.
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Speaker 1: What a joke.
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Speaker 2: That is a joke on all of us, and a
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Speaker 2: bunch of other top public servants are within one pay
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Speaker 2: rise of a million.
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Speaker 1: Dollar salary too. Someone has to put an end to this.
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Speaker 2: The growth of the public service and the way it
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Speaker 2: leads the way on pay increases, I'm tipping up won't
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Speaker 2: be labor.
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Speaker 1: After all.
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Speaker 2: A large part of their political strategy is to expand
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Speaker 2: the public service, sign them up to public sector unions,
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Speaker 2: give them more pay and perks, and then rely on
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Speaker 2: their votes at election time. We need a smaller public
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Speaker 2: service in relative terms and a stronger private sector. Labor
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Speaker 2: is giving us the opposite. The fight over reckless renewables
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Speaker 2: has really amped up today, with Peter Dutton confirming the
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Speaker 2: Coalition will oppose the latest massive offshore wind farm proposed
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Speaker 2: by Labour for the Illawarra coast of New South Wales.
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Speaker 2: In the area today, the Opposition leader says if he
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Speaker 2: wins office, he'll scrap the project that was announced only
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Speaker 2: on the weekend by Climate and Energy Minister Chris Bowen.
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Speaker 3: Today, I'm announcing that I have declared the Illawarra Offshore
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Speaker 3: Wind Zone.
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Speaker 4: The zone is some oney twenty two square kilometers in
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Speaker 4: total and stretches from Stanwell Park in the north to
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Speaker 4: the edge of Kayama in the south. It'll sit around
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Speaker 4: twenty kilometers offshore and could house over two hundred turbines
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Speaker 4: at its maximum capacity. Opponents of the scheme. Are still
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Speaker 4: worried about the impact on marine life.
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Speaker 5: This has never been done before. What they are proposing
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Speaker 5: is a world first. This is an experiment, a massive experiment,
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Speaker 5: and there is no evidence about the impact of offshore
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Speaker 5: floating wind turbines on whales because there is no evidence.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an extraordinary risk to the environment and to tourism,
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Speaker 2: and it's also a massive economic and engineering risk too. Labor,
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Speaker 2: the Greens and the Tills are determined to do what
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Speaker 2: no other comparable country has ever done, and that is
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Speaker 2: run a modern economy on renewables alone.
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Speaker 6: There has been a botch process from day one by
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Speaker 6: Chris Balen. We want to have renewables in the system,
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Speaker 6: but we want to do it in a responsible way,
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Speaker 6: and we need to be able to firm up that
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Speaker 6: intermittent power. We can't be reliant on the weather for
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Speaker 6: the ability to turn on the lights. A modern economy
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Speaker 6: just doesn't work like that.
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Speaker 2: Now, on this program, we've been at the forefront of
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Speaker 2: bringing these issues to you, the environmental concerns and the
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Speaker 2: community objections to large scale renewable and transmission projects being
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Speaker 2: proposed right around the country. We've taken you to put
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Speaker 2: McDonald in South Australia, where crayfishes and others were concerned
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Speaker 2: about an offshore wind proposal that's now been scaled back.
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Speaker 2: We've taken you to the Hunter Coastline, where tourism and
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Speaker 2: fishing communities are horrified by an offshore wind zone foisted
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Speaker 2: on them. We've taken you to central and Western Victoria,
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Speaker 2: and to the Great Dividing Range in New South Wales,
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Speaker 2: where local farmers and residents are fighting massive transmission lines
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Speaker 2: to link up renewable energy projects. And we've taken you
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Speaker 2: to far north Queensland where environmentalists are trying to stop
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Speaker 2: wind farms on forested ranges. In fact, the scale and
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Speaker 2: number of solar and wind proposals in all parts of
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Speaker 2: Queensland is staggering. We've spoken to photographer and environmentalist Stephen
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Speaker 2: Nawakowski a few times. Have a look at the video
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Speaker 2: he's compiled detailing the projects.
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Speaker 7: All these ranges covered in turbines and roads, roads up
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Speaker 7: to sixty meters wide for cut and fill up, the
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Speaker 7: steep inclines and the steep gradients. Moonlight Range a beautiful
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Speaker 7: range of mountains. Again here we see Moonlight Range. I've
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Speaker 7: been there. Magnificent should be a national park. It's going
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Speaker 7: to get carved up and smashed to smithereens moving over
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Speaker 7: to the boomer Range Wind Factory in the foreground here
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Speaker 7: is good good a Duller National park. And hard up
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Speaker 7: against that national park is the boom Ut Range Wind
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Speaker 7: Factory by Arc Energy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just a sample the video and the projects
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Speaker 2: go on and on. Labor the greens and the tills
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Speaker 2: are trying to generate a phony scare campaign about nuclear
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Speaker 2: power station power stations around the country when this renewable
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Speaker 2: scare is actually real and it's happening now along with
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Speaker 2: the proposed twenty eight thousand kilometers of transmission lights.
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Speaker 6: So our argument is that because you've got the poles
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Speaker 6: in Wine already plugged into the existing qualifire power stations,
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Speaker 6: why make that redundant. Why not use that asset, that
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Speaker 6: brownfield site for the latest technology and generate energy there
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Speaker 6: that can keep the lights on twenty four to seven,
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Speaker 6: That can bring energy prices down, bringing electricity prices down,
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Speaker 6: and it's greener because it's zero missions technology.
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Speaker 2: Now, just to give you some perspective on transmission lines,
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Speaker 2: think of the Hume Highway stretching all the way from
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Speaker 2: Sydney to Melbourne.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about building the equivalent of.
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Speaker 2: Fifteen major transmission lines on one side of the highway
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Speaker 2: all the way from the Opera House down to the
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Speaker 2: MBCG and then building another fifteen lines on the other
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Speaker 2: side of the highway. Thirty major lines from Sydney to Melbourne.
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Speaker 2: That's what they want to spread right across the Eastern
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Speaker 2: States in coming years.
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Speaker 1: And as regulated assets.
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Speaker 2: This means the owners have to get a certain financial
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Speaker 2: turn on every kilometer, and that means we all have
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Speaker 2: to pay for it through our power bills.
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Speaker 1: This is a disaster, and.
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Speaker 2: Thankfully the Coalition is hardening its stand against this madness
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Speaker 2: and proposing the proven, safe and compact option of nuclear
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Speaker 2: energy because it works and it'll run on mainly existing
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Speaker 2: transmission lines. It's a real debate, a real alternative to
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Speaker 2: try to bring our national energy self harm to an end.
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Speaker 2: The visit of Chinese Premier Chang Lai has not played
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Speaker 2: out well for Anthony Albanesi. It's confirmed two things that
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Speaker 2: China is a British communist regime intent on bringing Australia
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Speaker 2: to heal and uninterested in issues such as freedom of speech,
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Speaker 2: and it's also confirmed that our Prime minister is weak
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Speaker 2: in standing up for our values. Albanezi has been weak
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Speaker 2: on China before when it's put our defense force personnel
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Speaker 2: in harm's way. And then yesterday after Chinese officials deliberately
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Speaker 2: blocked and buffeted and tried to intimidate Sky and used
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Speaker 2: his own Cheng Lai, who was disgracefully detained in China
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Speaker 2: for more than three years, well they tried to effectively
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Speaker 2: hide her from the cameras yesterday. And remember our PM
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Speaker 2: said he'd missed all that.
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Speaker 8: Well, I didn't see that.
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Speaker 9: I saw.
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Speaker 8: Chang lay and we smiled at each other.
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Speaker 2: Well seemingly and deservedly embarrassed by the way he was
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Speaker 2: called out over this last night. The PM volunteered a
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Speaker 2: view this morning.
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Speaker 8: We have different values in different political systems, and we
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Speaker 8: saw some of that yesterday. I've got to say with
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Speaker 8: the attempt that was pretty ham fisted to block Cheng Lai.
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Speaker 8: The Australian journalists who were able to get brought home
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Speaker 8: at the press concerns and there was a clumsy attempt
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Speaker 8: really to just stand in between where the cameras were
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Speaker 8: and Chang Lei and the Australian officials did the right
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Speaker 8: thing and intervened.
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Speaker 2: What a feeble and belated attempt. The Opposition leader was
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Speaker 2: much more direct.
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Speaker 6: It's completely unacceptable in our free society for that sort
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Speaker 6: of conduct to take place.
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Speaker 2: And Peter Dutton also turned the screws on our Beneezy.
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Speaker 6: The Prime Minister clearly misled the Australian people yesterday when
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Speaker 6: he got up and did a press conference and said
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Speaker 6: that he heard nothing of it. He didn't understand what
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Speaker 6: the question was or didn't know anything about it. It's
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Speaker 6: completely inconceivable and the Prime Minister needs to stand up
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Speaker 6: today to explain the discrepancy, explained why he didn't tell
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Speaker 6: the truth yesterday, and please grow a backbone, stand up
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Speaker 6: for our country.
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Speaker 1: Look, none of this.
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Speaker 2: Stuff is overly difficult. It just takes a bit of metal.
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Speaker 2: It's just a matter of standing up for our values.
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Speaker 2: China might not be too impressed, but they won't be
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Speaker 2: too impressed by weakness either. I want to show you
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Speaker 2: an amazing little snippet that show's US President Joe Biden
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Speaker 2: is taking political advice from his disgraced son Hunter. It
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Speaker 2: comes from that fundraiser with Barack Obama that we showed
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Speaker 2: you yesterday. Have a look as the President tries to
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Speaker 2: boost his own record on jobs and he cites messaging
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Speaker 2: advice from his son, and I think you can see
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Speaker 2: straight away he wishes he hadn't mentioned him.
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Speaker 10: You know, my son says, go ahead.
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Speaker 1: You know we are.
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Speaker 11: Various discussions for your Jars wants you to hunts and
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Speaker 11: he should said the.
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Speaker 2: General Jars M Joe jobs A nothing like a bit
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Speaker 2: of alliteration. I wonder what alliteration a hunter would come
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Speaker 2: up with for himself hunter hooker's hunter, hooch hunter Hi.
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Speaker 1: We can only guess.
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Speaker 2: I'll have more on US politics with Kristen Tate later. Now,
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Speaker 2: while the Chinese Premier Chung Lee wraps up his three
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Speaker 2: day visit as China, we've got to ask.
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Speaker 1: The question whether China.
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Speaker 2: Has actually played Australia off a break when it comes
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Speaker 2: to missile defense procurements. We shared with you last week
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Speaker 2: Jonathan Lee's excuse exclusive report about the local defense company
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Speaker 2: trying to acquire a major missile manufacturer that would allow
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Speaker 2: an Aussie company to make strike weapons right here.
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Speaker 1: Well, today Lee has revealed that.
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Speaker 2: With China napping, with Canberra napping, I should say, China
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Speaker 2: looks like swooping.
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Speaker 1: That's a cross like Jonathan Lee.
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Speaker 2: Now you've got your hands on a letter from China
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Speaker 2: that gets to the bottom of all this.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, Chris, It's not often you end up getting your
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Speaker 12: hands effectively on what he is a letter from one
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Speaker 12: government to a defense minister of another nation. But that's
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Speaker 12: exactly what we've got here. It lays out China's very
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Speaker 12: clear attempt and effort and interest in acquiring Uribras. It's
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Speaker 12: significant because it's a Brazilian missile manufacturer with fifty to
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Speaker 12: sixty years worth of experience in making rockets and missiles
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Speaker 12: defintechs and Aussie company wants to buy it and has
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Speaker 12: been trying to acquire it for eighteen months. To bring
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Speaker 12: that asset to Australia to give us the sort of
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Speaker 12: sovereign capability we can only dream about, and intendant spending
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Speaker 12: tens of billions of dollars to manufacture with the assistance
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Speaker 12: of the United States. The frustration, though, is that our government,
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Speaker 12: the Commonwealth, won't give it the seventy million dollars needed
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Speaker 12: to wrap up this deal. Now time is running out.
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Speaker 12: Have listened to the boss of defendechs. We caught up
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Speaker 12: with him en route to Europe where he is trying
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Speaker 12: to now get another government to assist to effectively keep
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Speaker 12: this out of China's hands. It's becoming a national security issue.
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Speaker 13: For the life of me, I cannot understand why we
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Speaker 13: wouldn't do this. When you look at it across the critical,
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Speaker 13: the financial, the business, the strategic, all of the interests
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Speaker 13: come back positive. It's one of those rare opportunities where
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Speaker 13: there is no downside for Australian government.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, fascinating stuff.
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Speaker 2: Fascinating and intriguing story, John, I just tell us to
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Speaker 2: what extent how do we weigh up the extent of
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Speaker 2: which this could be the company of course pushing its
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Speaker 2: own commercial interests, and also understand whether this is exactly
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Speaker 2: the sort of missile capability that matches our defense needs.
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Speaker 2: How can we be confident that the cameras weighing up
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Speaker 2: both of those things adequately.
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Speaker 12: Well, the big problem we have at the moment is
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Speaker 12: that Canberra effectively the government defense Minister and the Defense
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Speaker 12: industry Minister, is it responding to calls from this comment
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Speaker 12: to discuss from this company, to discuss the issue to
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Speaker 12: start with? Of course, the company itself, defend Techs, has
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Speaker 12: its own commercial interests in acquiring this, But what it
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Speaker 12: would actually be is a truly locally owned company which
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Speaker 12: would creates not just in Brazil, but set up a
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Speaker 12: facility in Australia. And it's the sort of sovereign industry
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Speaker 12: we would need if we would ever have problems putting
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Speaker 12: the missiles together that we're trying to team up with
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Speaker 12: the United States with. We spoke to a couple of
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Speaker 12: defense leaders locally. This is what they had to say
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Speaker 12: about the issue.
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Speaker 14: Why are we not backing Australian owned companies and why
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Speaker 14: are we not actually taking the risk to buy up
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Speaker 14: and invest in this kind of technology. It's clearly a
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Speaker 14: robust company that the Austraian company's looking at, so why
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Speaker 14: would we not want to invest in it.
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Speaker 15: Our government is going to be spending about one hundred
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Speaker 15: billion dollars on guided weapons and missiles over the next
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Speaker 15: couple of decades if we stay in peace, and it's
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Speaker 15: likely the best we're going to do is assemble some
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Speaker 15: American ones here. This is an opportunity to have some
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Speaker 15: real sovereign missile manufacturing technology and capability that will make
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Speaker 15: us more secure.
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Speaker 1: Yes, real expertise.
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Speaker 2: They're backing up this call there, john O. And of
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Speaker 2: course your revelations today about China's interest also confirms exactly
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Speaker 2: why Australia.
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Speaker 1: Should be onto this and interested in this capability. Thanks
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Speaker 1: so much for joining us. Appreciate it. Jonathan Lee.
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Speaker 2: There our investigations reporter based in the Brisbane.
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Speaker 1: Fascinating story.
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Speaker 2: No doubt we'll be trying to get more reaction from
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Speaker 2: the federal government on that. I want to go to
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Speaker 2: Liberal MP Zoey Mackenzie now who joins us live from Melbourne,
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Speaker 2: and you've had a long career based in the trade space, Zoe.
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Speaker 2: This goes into defense and missile capabilities, of course, but
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Speaker 2: surely the one thing we could say is we need
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Speaker 2: to know that our federal government and our defense experts
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Speaker 2: are looking very closely at this capability and whether or
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Speaker 2: not it would be useful for Australia to have it.
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Speaker 16: Look certainly we should, Chris, but as you say, don't
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Speaker 16: want to intervene in what sounds like it's a commercial
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Speaker 16: and confidence deal at this point in time, not necessarily
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Speaker 16: one that the Australian government has stepped into. You are right,
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Speaker 16: I did lose quite a few years of my life
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Speaker 16: negotiating that free trade agree, a free trade agreement with China,
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Speaker 16: which China then turned around and didn't quite abide by
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Speaker 16: the rule of the law that was set out in
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Speaker 16: that agreement for the last couple of years. One good
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Speaker 16: thing that's come out of the last twenty four hours
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Speaker 16: has been a resumption about stability in.
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Speaker 10: Terms of trade. That is a good thing, one that
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Speaker 10: we should all welcome. You know, we do very well
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Speaker 10: as a country here.
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Speaker 16: We have a vast trade surface with China, one of
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Speaker 16: very few countries who does that. So that is a
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Speaker 16: good thing, and that is something to come out of
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Speaker 16: the last twenty four hours.
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Speaker 2: So are you telling us then that the visit of
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Speaker 2: Chinese Premiere Chung l has been successful.
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Speaker 16: Look, I think it's been good insofar as it has
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Speaker 16: reiterated that things are resuming back to where they were before.
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Speaker 16: So we did one of the best trade deals. The
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Speaker 16: Coalition did one of the best trade deals that China
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Speaker 16: had granted, and it was finalized in twenty fifteen, operationalized
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Speaker 16: in twenty sixteen. But then China withdrew from the terms
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Speaker 16: of that agreement shortly after twenty twenty, so it's been
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Speaker 16: problematic for our producers, our agriculture in particular our winemakers,
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Speaker 16: so they are very relieved just to see a return
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Speaker 16: to normal trade in most industries except for lobster. I
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Speaker 16: haven't watched what having in Perth today to see whether
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Speaker 16: that has actually changed overnight, but nevertheless, I think in
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Speaker 16: that respect, trade back to normal good. There are many
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Speaker 16: other matters that we can and must continue to raise.
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Speaker 16: One thing I have noticed with the Prime Minister in
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Speaker 16: the last twenty four hours is very good at huffing
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Speaker 16: and puffing after the fact, not very good at speaking
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Speaker 16: plainly to our Chinese friends in relation to issues relating
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Speaker 16: to defense, issues relating to human rights issues relating to
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Speaker 16: Chinese Australian chang Li and what she went through in China.
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Speaker 10: So he's very good at pointing the finger, but only
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Speaker 10: once people are out of town.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, once it's all been drawed.
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Speaker 2: Toy's tension, he's attention, he's been embarrassed by it, and
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Speaker 2: as you say, they're out of town.
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Speaker 1: Now. What concerns me about this so.
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Speaker 2: Called stabilization though, is we've stabilized the relationship at a
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Speaker 2: pretty unhealthy place, one where that they've punitive tariffs and
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Speaker 2: bands on us over a number of years, and now
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Speaker 2: we're supposed to be grateful that those punitive, unwarranted sanctions
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Speaker 2: against us are lifted, and yet they've left some in place.
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Speaker 2: The bands on lobster and some meat exporters are still punitive.
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Speaker 1: There's no reason for them.
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Speaker 2: And how can we say that we're at all satisfied
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Speaker 2: with the way China is treating us while they're still
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Speaker 2: treating us that way.
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Speaker 16: So interestingly, if it weren't for the fact that the
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Speaker 16: WTO was in complete chaos in terms of its dispute resolution,
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Speaker 16: we would have taken China to the WTO. We had
20:29
Speaker 16: actually made moves in that direction of the previous coalition
20:32
Speaker 16: government to basically say they are not abiding by.
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Speaker 10: The terms of the agreement that they settled with us.
20:37
Speaker 16: We opened up vast parts of the Australian market to
20:39
Speaker 16: China investment and to China's trade, and in return we
20:44
Speaker 16: expected the terms of that agreement to be respected and
20:46
Speaker 16: they were not. Obviously, this government has taken a different approach.
20:50
Speaker 16: It's been far more softly, softly, far more willing.
20:54
Speaker 10: To please, one might say, and that has been different.
20:58
Speaker 16: Nevertheless, I know our purdunit is particularly my producers here
21:01
Speaker 16: who do exports China are grateful for a degree of stabilization.
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Speaker 2: Now, interesting economic news today with the Reserve Bank governor telling.
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Speaker 1: Us that rates are going to stay on hold.
21:10
Speaker 2: But she's warning really that they had a look at
21:13
Speaker 2: increasing interest rates again. She's warning us not to expect
21:17
Speaker 2: interest rates to come down quickly. She's warning that the
21:20
Speaker 2: gap to avoid another interest rate rise is narrowing, and
21:24
Speaker 2: she's pointing the finger of blame rather obviously as many
21:28
Speaker 2: of us would, at prolific spending by governments federal and state.
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Speaker 1: There's just this spending.
21:35
Speaker 2: Binge going on, debt fueled, that's fueling inflation. Isn't this
21:40
Speaker 2: a terrible time then for politicians and bureaucrats to get
21:43
Speaker 2: a substantial pay rise when we're dealing with the cost
21:47
Speaker 2: of living crisis that's actually being fueled by those same politicians.
21:53
Speaker 16: So interestingly, I did listen to the RBA governor's press
21:56
Speaker 16: conference this afternoon, and I agree with you, none of
21:59
Speaker 16: it have filled you with confidence. It is clear she
22:02
Speaker 16: is dancing a very delicate line.
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Speaker 10: Indeed, there've been suggestions from the RBA.
22:08
Speaker 16: That have come out in questions that have been answered
22:10
Speaker 16: in the last week, suggesting they thought there was expansionary
22:13
Speaker 16: pressure from the last budget and so they are doing
22:17
Speaker 16: the difficult job that frankly, the government is not willing
22:20
Speaker 16: to do, which is to try and dampen inflation in
22:24
Speaker 16: this economy. Now you raise the point of wages today,
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Speaker 16: I haven't looked at that in detail, and I'm assured
22:30
Speaker 16: that that would be something the Remuneration Tribunal has recommended.
22:34
Speaker 10: But let me tell you, I know everyone in my
22:36
Speaker 10: electricty is doing it tough.
22:37
Speaker 16: I've got more close chops down on our main street
22:39
Speaker 16: that I've seen for years. I've got people closing their
22:43
Speaker 16: small businesses, small businesses that have been thriving for forty years.
22:46
Speaker 16: It's just got too hard. Their businesses are guaranteed by
22:50
Speaker 16: their home loans.
22:51
Speaker 10: Their home loans are up twenty five thousand dollars a year.
22:54
Speaker 10: No one has got my life that the government today.
22:57
Speaker 10: People are reaching into their mortgages just to keep.
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Speaker 2: So it's not a great time for politicians to get
23:02
Speaker 2: a three and a half percent wage rise. But tell
23:04
Speaker 2: me this one. You've had a lot of experience working
23:07
Speaker 2: with the public sector. The head of Prime Minister and
23:10
Speaker 2: cabinet now is going to be paid over a million
23:13
Speaker 2: dollars a year. Now, people say, oh, you can earn
23:15
Speaker 2: more than that in the in the private sector.
23:17
Speaker 1: That well, sure, let him go.
23:19
Speaker 2: What is the justification for paying a public servant more
23:23
Speaker 2: than a million dollars a year to run a government
23:26
Speaker 2: department when the prime minister's pay is now going up
23:30
Speaker 2: over six hundred thousand dollars this time around, Why should
23:33
Speaker 2: any public servant get paid more than the prime minister.
23:36
Speaker 16: It seems incongruous, It does seem in Congress, but that
23:41
Speaker 16: has been the tradition for a very long time now.
23:43
Speaker 16: I remember in John Howard's here that the head of
23:46
Speaker 16: the public service was paid more. As I used to
23:49
Speaker 16: say to people who would say to me, thinking of
23:50
Speaker 16: a political career, you don't get paid much, I said,
23:52
Speaker 16: the good news is you've got no.
23:54
Speaker 10: Spare time in which to spend it.
23:55
Speaker 16: So that's really you could stay in favor of a
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Speaker 16: eliamentary salaries. But nevertheless, it's been a long standing fact
24:05
Speaker 16: that the public servants at the top get paid more
24:08
Speaker 16: than the actual parliamentary people.
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Speaker 10: And that's we live with that, we accept it, we
24:12
Speaker 10: move on.
24:13
Speaker 2: It's a factive life. I'm just saying it's unjustifiable. If
24:16
Speaker 2: they don't like it, they don't like the public service
24:18
Speaker 2: hours and responsibilities.
24:19
Speaker 1: They can always go to the private sector.
24:22
Speaker 2: We shall see. Thanks for joining us, Zoe, I appreciate it.
24:24
Speaker 2: Sory mackenzie there, Liberal MP for Flinders in the wonderful
24:29
Speaker 2: state of Victoria.
24:30
Speaker 1: Now coming up.
24:31
Speaker 2: After the break, we're going to catch up with Susi
24:33
Speaker 2: O'Brien in Melbourne and also Stephen Senate Tiempo and Canberra.
24:36
Speaker 2: We'll talk about the eighty percent of Aussie's struggling with
24:39
Speaker 2: bill stress at the moment, and also poster these are
24:42
Speaker 2: threatening to blacklist homes with aggressive dogs, so they should.
24:51
Speaker 1: The world's a mess.
24:51
Speaker 2: Let's sort it all out now with a regular Tuesday panel.
24:55
Speaker 2: Susio Brian Joys just from the Herald Son in Melbourne
24:58
Speaker 2: and Steven Senate Tempo's Brea toasted to Double C in
25:01
Speaker 2: the nation's capital.
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Speaker 1: Great to speak to both of you. Yeah, you're in
25:05
Speaker 1: Canberra there and that's.
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Speaker 2: Where you're full of public servants and politicians. Steven, how
25:08
Speaker 2: do you reckon three and a half percent extra pay
25:10
Speaker 2: rise goes down just at the moment? Is that just
25:12
Speaker 2: fair enough keeping up with inflation or is that going
25:14
Speaker 2: to stick in the core of those voters.
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Speaker 17: I just find it absolutely extraordinary, particularly when we hear
25:20
Speaker 17: that eighty percent of Australians are doing it tough at
25:22
Speaker 17: the moment, that our least productive member, our least productive
25:26
Speaker 17: workers are getting a three and a half percent pay rise,
25:28
Speaker 17: but when you look at what that equates to in
25:29
Speaker 17: dollar terms, that our senior public service are getting pay
25:32
Speaker 17: rises of thirty thousand dollars or more, and particularly the
25:36
Speaker 17: head of Prime Minister in Cabinet, which is a department
25:38
Speaker 17: that doesn't actually administer anything. I mean, it's extraordinary that
25:41
Speaker 17: the highest paid public servant is there to administer to
25:44
Speaker 17: the prime minister. I mean, what does the prime minister
25:46
Speaker 17: do on six hundred and seven thousand dollars a year.
25:50
Speaker 17: The problem here is is.
25:52
Speaker 2: I do I do have to say if someone who's
25:53
Speaker 2: worked in government that the Prime Minister in Cabinet that
25:56
Speaker 2: they're a department who's stick their nose in everywhere.
25:58
Speaker 1: They do plenty.
25:59
Speaker 2: But the thing, Susie I reckon a million dollars to
26:02
Speaker 2: run on the government department is too much. You know,
26:04
Speaker 2: there's all sorts of other perks, they get you fifteen
26:06
Speaker 2: percent super they get all sorts of leave, entitlements, all
26:10
Speaker 2: sorts of respect, and it gets them in the brilliant
26:14
Speaker 2: jobs in the public service afterwards.
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Speaker 1: I don't think they need quite that much.
26:18
Speaker 2: I think if the top salary equated to the Prime Minister,
26:22
Speaker 2: that might be a pretty sensible ceiling.
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Speaker 18: Yeah, I absolutely agree with you. There there's no justification
26:29
Speaker 18: whatsoever for the head of the Prime Minister and Cabinets
26:31
Speaker 18: Department to earn nearly twice as much as the Prime
26:34
Speaker 18: Minister and Glenn Davis and it's not about him as
26:37
Speaker 18: a person, but he received a thirty four thousand dollar
26:40
Speaker 18: pay rise and it sure beats the forty dollars a
26:43
Speaker 18: fortnite given to people on job seeker back in March.
26:47
Speaker 18: I mean, is indefensible and the Renumeration Tribunal is clearly completely.
26:53
Speaker 1: Out of whack, out of touch.
26:55
Speaker 18: They're saying these pay rises are actually very very modest.
26:58
Speaker 18: Will not when you add up how much money these
27:01
Speaker 18: people are actually paying. And you know these are people
27:03
Speaker 18: often who aren't even back in the office. They're still
27:06
Speaker 18: they're still doing COVID hours and I think so it
27:09
Speaker 18: doesn't pass the punk test.
27:11
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. We're all in agreement. Thankfully. I thought
27:14
Speaker 1: I might have been going nuts because so many politicians
27:17
Speaker 1: talk about Hey, i'll tell you what.
27:18
Speaker 2: The other people are getting hefty pay rises are the
27:21
Speaker 2: union thugs who are prepared to threaten the AFL because
27:24
Speaker 2: they don't like the bloke who's in charge of umpiring
27:26
Speaker 2: and the rest of it. The CFMEU, through this sort
27:29
Speaker 2: of industrial muscle, have snared a deal that's going to
27:33
Speaker 2: give them five percent a year for the next four
27:35
Speaker 2: years and all sorts of other rights to fly their
27:38
Speaker 2: flags and walk onto building sites whenever they like.
27:41
Speaker 1: Is their boss John Sepker went really good. Yeah, pretty
27:45
Speaker 1: good meet. Good result for the members.
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Speaker 11: So that's what it's all about.
27:48
Speaker 1: That it wants to pay our wages thirty.
27:50
Speaker 19: Six hour week, more women in the construction industry, and
27:52
Speaker 19: our new building.
27:52
Speaker 1: That we're building. So yeah, fantastic, fantastic result.
27:56
Speaker 2: He's a happy man, Steven. Lookout for the AFL to
28:00
Speaker 2: build a stadium in Tasmania.
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Speaker 17: The thing about this is, Chris, it's not the five
28:05
Speaker 17: percent per year for four years, the twenty percent pay rise,
28:08
Speaker 17: which in and of itself is galling. It's all of
28:10
Speaker 17: the other conditions that are actually about driving down productivity.
28:14
Speaker 17: So they've got a pay rise for doing less thirty
28:17
Speaker 17: six hour weeks, flying flags on building sites and actually
28:22
Speaker 17: having the ability to go in and shut down building
28:24
Speaker 17: sites on a whim without any sort of permit.
28:26
Speaker 1: Now it's extraordinary.
28:28
Speaker 17: Once upon a time you negotiated a pay rise in
28:30
Speaker 17: exchange for increases in productivity, not decreases.
28:33
Speaker 1: How does this happen? Yeah, yeah, it is a shocker.
28:36
Speaker 2: Now, Susie, I've got to get your thoughts on a
28:38
Speaker 2: column you've written and relates to Beck jug Beck Judd,
28:43
Speaker 2: who's very famous in our own right of course, former
28:46
Speaker 2: model and the weather presenter, married to a Chris jud
28:49
Speaker 2: the former gun AFL footballer, And I'm just reading for
28:52
Speaker 2: your article Melbourne. This is sad, woke, broke and violent.
28:56
Speaker 2: I can't believe we're living like this. Bet Judd wrote
28:59
Speaker 2: on Instagram and reacting to a three AW segment about
29:02
Speaker 2: residents being encouraged to put Apple air tags in their
29:05
Speaker 2: cars so police can track stylen vehicles.
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Speaker 1: Now, fantastic article, Susie.
29:12
Speaker 2: This is really concerning the crime that's going on right
29:15
Speaker 2: around the country. But there's been a particular focus in Melbourne,
29:18
Speaker 2: and I know that they all arek up because Peter
29:21
Speaker 2: dunn't suggested it might not be safe to go out.
29:23
Speaker 2: But there's all people talking up the African youth game.
29:27
Speaker 1: Problem and the like.
29:28
Speaker 2: But there's an issue, right And do you think bet
29:31
Speaker 2: Chad has really hit a nerve with a lot of families.
29:36
Speaker 18: Absolutely, she's hit a nerve with a lot of families.
29:39
Speaker 18: I mean, I've got friends who were held up at
29:41
Speaker 18: knife point inside their own homes. Their kids are terrified.
29:45
Speaker 18: They're hiding in their cupboards, locking themselves in their cupboards
29:48
Speaker 18: upstairs where their parents. Their houses are being rainsacked. They're
29:51
Speaker 18: trying to find the spare key. And what are the
29:54
Speaker 18: police saying?
29:55
Speaker 1: You need to park.
29:55
Speaker 18: Outside someone else's house. You need to put an air
29:58
Speaker 18: tag in your car so that when stolen, when it's stolen,
30:01
Speaker 18: next time, we can find it. Police are so powerless
30:05
Speaker 18: now to stop these young thugs. They don't even want
30:08
Speaker 18: the card. They're not selling the car. They're just going
30:10
Speaker 18: for joy rides and then dumping the car. But the
30:12
Speaker 18: way they're getting these cars, the violence of the home invasions,
30:16
Speaker 18: the violence of the burglaries are absolutely horrifying and more
30:20
Speaker 18: needs to be done to give police the powers that
30:23
Speaker 18: they need. We had an overhaul on youth crime.
30:26
Speaker 1: What did they do.
30:26
Speaker 18: They didn't even change the bail laws, which don't even
30:29
Speaker 18: take into account subsequent offenses that people commit. Young people
30:34
Speaker 18: commit while they're out on bail. So it's absolutely appalling and.
30:38
Speaker 1: Beck's dead right, Stephen. This is a problem right around
30:41
Speaker 1: the country. Now.
30:42
Speaker 2: We know that police have powers. When the Chinese protesters
30:45
Speaker 2: are there, the police seem to be able to hold
30:47
Speaker 2: them back when they want to impose vaccine mandates and
30:50
Speaker 2: stop people gathering during a pandemic. The police have got powers,
30:54
Speaker 2: but it seems on the issues we really want them on,
30:56
Speaker 2: with youth crime and pro Palestinian thuggery, they step back.
31:03
Speaker 1: There's certain issues they don't want to tackle.
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Speaker 17: Yeah, absolutely, and I mean it's a problem here in
31:09
Speaker 17: the Act. Car thefts have gone through the roof, and
31:11
Speaker 17: the scary thing about it is because you can't break
31:13
Speaker 17: into a car with a coat hanger anymore, they have
31:15
Speaker 17: to break into your house and steal your keys. We've
31:17
Speaker 17: got a shortage of about two hundred and fifty police
31:19
Speaker 17: on the ground here. They're often called in to back
31:22
Speaker 17: up the AFP when when they are holding back Chinese
31:24
Speaker 17: protesters or whatever else they're asked to do here, and
31:29
Speaker 17: it's frightening. And then those cars are being used to
31:31
Speaker 17: commit other crimes. It's not just joy rides, unfortunately, they're
31:34
Speaker 17: being used for ram raids and other crimes, and the
31:37
Speaker 17: police are largely powerless because they don't have the resources
31:40
Speaker 17: to back these things up.
31:41
Speaker 1: Oh well, the good.
31:41
Speaker 2: News is no one will be living in Canberra soon
31:43
Speaker 2: with all these public sector wage rises. They'll be working
31:46
Speaker 2: from home on the Greek Islands or the Isle of
31:48
Speaker 2: Capri spe Now, just to wrap up, there couldn't be
31:53
Speaker 2: an evil dog story without me mentioning it. Of course,
31:56
Speaker 2: post he's talking about where there's aggressive dogs, blacklist that
32:00
Speaker 2: house so they don't have to risk themselves delivering mail.
32:03
Speaker 1: I say absolutely, Susie.
32:05
Speaker 2: If you've got an aggressive dog, go get yourself a
32:07
Speaker 2: post office box.
32:08
Speaker 1: I don't want any post you having a risk of
32:10
Speaker 1: bitten Limb.
32:13
Speaker 18: I agree with you actually on this one. I just
32:15
Speaker 18: think people, you know, the homeowners say well, he's never
32:18
Speaker 18: bitten anyone before, but there's always the first time, and
32:20
Speaker 18: chances are and is going to be a posty that's
32:22
Speaker 18: the victim. So good on them for standing up to
32:24
Speaker 18: the dogs.
32:25
Speaker 1: Just chuck them some chocolate and some chicken bones, I reckon.
32:28
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Brian, No, no, no, I'm only joking.
32:34
Speaker 1: I would never harm a dog. I'm just scared of them.
32:36
Speaker 2: Now stick Around is coming up on the other side
32:38
Speaker 2: to talk about some of the roughts and the problems
32:40
Speaker 2: with the ndies.
32:41
Speaker 1: Also how the White House.
32:43
Speaker 2: Has been forced to defend Sleepy Joe after that frozen
32:46
Speaker 2: moment on stage. Some amazing stuff coming up on US politics,
32:55
Speaker 2: and also some breaking news I'll bring to you with
32:57
Speaker 2: Tim Blair, where a politician I think many of you
33:00
Speaker 2: will be happy to see the back of is announcing
33:03
Speaker 2: his retirement. But let's get to economics and the NDIS
33:06
Speaker 2: now with dmitriy Berstein from Eminence Advisory. Thanks for joining us, Dimitri,
33:10
Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about general economic matters
33:13
Speaker 2: before we get to the ends. The Reserve Bank today
33:16
Speaker 2: really telling us, I suppose what we all feared, and
33:19
Speaker 2: that is that they only looked at putting rates up
33:23
Speaker 2: at this meeting. They didn't really consider a cut, so
33:25
Speaker 2: they're very much on a rates increase outlook again, and
33:29
Speaker 2: this has been fueled largely by government spending coming not
33:32
Speaker 2: only from the last federal budget, but from a series
33:35
Speaker 2: of state budgets now, state government budgets that are just
33:39
Speaker 2: pumping more and more money into the economy, which is
33:42
Speaker 2: only going to fuel inflation.
33:43
Speaker 19: Right, absolutely, Chris. You know, the government's state and commonwealth
33:48
Speaker 19: and territory as well have been flooding the economy with money.
33:53
Speaker 19: Working in the opposite direction of the RBA. Warren Hogan
33:58
Speaker 19: wrote today in the AFR, suggesting there may even be
34:02
Speaker 19: two interest rate cuts before interest rate increases before the
34:06
Speaker 19: end of this year. I think the conversations about cuts
34:10
Speaker 19: are well behind us for the time being.
34:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let's talk about one of the runaway items
34:16
Speaker 2: in the budget, and then that is the National Disability
34:18
Speaker 2: Insurance Scheme the NDS. Now, we all want people with
34:22
Speaker 2: disabilities looked after well, and that's why this scheme got
34:25
Speaker 2: a lot of support.
34:25
Speaker 1: But it was obvious from the start it was going.
34:28
Speaker 2: To be a problem because it created a whole new,
34:30
Speaker 2: vast federal bureaucracy and a vast pool of money for
34:34
Speaker 2: people to try and get funding out of. And so
34:37
Speaker 2: the funding is actually increased by a third since it
34:40
Speaker 2: was brought in. We already spend more on the NDIS
34:43
Speaker 2: than medicare, and the projections we'll spend more than our
34:46
Speaker 2: defense budget on it soon, and yet we haven't seen
34:49
Speaker 2: any great increase in productivity or the economy of the nation.
34:54
Speaker 2: In fact, many employers and now in other sectors are
34:57
Speaker 2: now saying it's hard to get workers because sliding off
35:00
Speaker 2: to endis related jobs where they can get more money
35:03
Speaker 2: for doing less.
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Speaker 19: That's absolutely right, Chris. What's started out as an honorable,
35:09
Speaker 19: well intentioned scheme has turned into a weapon of mass
35:12
Speaker 19: economic destruction. It's not just the fiscal problems it's causing,
35:17
Speaker 19: it's the productivity ones. And by some measures, within twenty
35:22
Speaker 19: five years on current trajectory, the NDIS costs will exceed
35:27
Speaker 19: one hundred percent of commonwealth revenues collected.
35:30
Speaker 1: I want to just put it on It's breathtaking.
35:32
Speaker 2: It is breathtaking and an example of the way the
35:35
Speaker 2: system is being raughted. I want to put up on
35:37
Speaker 2: screen something you've sent us, and this is a company
35:40
Speaker 2: being advertised for sale, and they're saying it's got all
35:44
Speaker 2: these aspects, but it has nods customers. Is essentially selling
35:49
Speaker 2: a company that will give you access to recruiting NDIS customers,
35:53
Speaker 2: explain to us what's going on here and how common
35:56
Speaker 2: it is and what sort of an economic problem it is.
35:59
Speaker 19: Well, this is just the example of the economic distortions
36:03
Speaker 19: caused by the NDIS and the productivity drag that it's contributing.
36:08
Speaker 19: Is that there are people buying NDIS shells with no
36:11
Speaker 19: customers for you know, six figure sums, and then they
36:15
Speaker 19: go off to business development you know NDIS business development
36:18
Speaker 19: programs to then grow their franchise. Now, you know, these
36:23
Speaker 19: are resources that could be you know, otherwise put into
36:25
Speaker 19: production to creating economic growth, but they're you know, being
36:30
Speaker 19: redeployed and redirected to create an ever larger NDIS pool.
36:35
Speaker 19: I mean, one of the other statistics I'll throw to you, Chris,
36:38
Speaker 19: is that you know, roughly twenty five percent of the
36:40
Speaker 19: Australian population is under eighteen, yet over fifty percent of
36:44
Speaker 19: NDIS participants are under eighteen. Now, either we have a massive, massive,
36:54
Speaker 19: you know, disability crisis in this country which will bubble
36:57
Speaker 19: up as they as the kids get older, or there's
37:00
Speaker 19: something some sort of incentives in the scheme to encourage
37:06
Speaker 19: parents to have their kids assessed. There is able to access.
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Speaker 2: There is We've talked about that incentive many times with
37:14
Speaker 2: Claire Row. It's clear and that's what's going to be fixed.
37:16
Speaker 2: One of the things that's going to be fixed. Thanks
37:17
Speaker 2: for joining us, Dmitrio. I appreciate it.
37:19
Speaker 1: Dmitri burst on there from Eminence Advisory.
37:22
Speaker 2: I need to get the US politics now, because it's
37:23
Speaker 2: only nine days now until the first debate between Donald
37:27
Speaker 2: Trump and Joe Biden, and a lot rides on the
37:29
Speaker 2: president's performance. Of course, overnight, the Democrats went on the attack,
37:34
Speaker 2: releasing this ad that's funded by the party and endorsed
37:38
Speaker 2: by Joe Biden.
37:38
Speaker 11: Have a look in the courtroom. We see Donald Trump
37:42
Speaker 11: for who he is. He's been convicted of thirty four felonies,
37:46
Speaker 11: found liable for sexual assault, and he committed financial fraud. Meanwhile,
37:52
Speaker 11: Joe Biden's been working. This election is between a convicted
37:55
Speaker 11: criminal who's only out for himself and a president who's
38:00
Speaker 11: fighting for your family.
38:01
Speaker 1: I'm Joe Biden and I approved this message. Yeah.
38:05
Speaker 2: I took this up with Kristen Tide, who's been sighing
38:08
Speaker 2: for iges. This is exactly the sort of attack that
38:11
Speaker 2: Democrats would rely on.
38:13
Speaker 20: Yes, this is what the Democrats have been waiting. They've
38:16
Speaker 20: been waiting to call Donald Trump a felon, a criminal,
38:20
Speaker 20: because it's all they've got, Chris. They've got no track
38:24
Speaker 20: record of success to run on this country and the
38:27
Speaker 20: lives of the people who live in it are worse
38:30
Speaker 20: off in every single way under Joe Biden than they
38:34
Speaker 20: were four years ago under Donald Trump. So the only
38:37
Speaker 20: thing they've got is the point at Donald Trump and say,
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Speaker 20: look at him, he's an insurrectionist, and not only that,
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Speaker 20: he's a criminal, and you should be afraid of him
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Speaker 20: because he's going to throw the country into chaos. But
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Speaker 20: I just don't suspect it's going to work this time around.
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Speaker 2: Well, it is extraordinary because when you look at the
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Speaker 2: critique that comes from people like yourself, from people on
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Speaker 2: the right of politics, saying, look, these are very politicals
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Speaker 2: put up on the Democratic ry James to try and
39:04
Speaker 2: get a conviction against Donald Trump, and then that becomes
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Speaker 2: the only basis of their election camp.
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Speaker 1: And this man is a criminal, done vote for him.
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Speaker 2: It kind of confirms the mind attack against the Democrat strategy,
39:15
Speaker 2: doesn't it.
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Speaker 1: Of course it does.
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Speaker 20: What they're trying to do right now is essentially just
39:22
Speaker 20: mobilize their own base. These are people who wouldn't vote
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Speaker 20: for Donald Trump no matter what, but they might not
39:27
Speaker 20: be feeling as motivated to get out and vote for
39:29
Speaker 20: Biden or just to vote at all this time, because
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Speaker 20: prices are higher, everything's kind of worse off. So they're
39:37
Speaker 20: just trying to get those people to the polls by
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Speaker 20: getting them worried again.
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Speaker 2: All right, well we go the first president presidential to
39:43
Speaker 2: bike to just over awaken. But why it seems inconceivable
39:47
Speaker 2: that this thing's going to go off without a hitch.
39:49
Speaker 2: Let's have a look, good, former President Donald Trump. This
39:53
Speaker 2: is the sort of political promise he's making, and not
39:56
Speaker 2: just the clarity of these messaging. Day one of my
39:59
Speaker 2: new illustration, we will begin the largest deportation operation in
40:04
Speaker 2: American history.
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Speaker 1: We have no choice. This is not sustainable.
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Speaker 2: He's talking about deporting illegal immigrants, deporting terrorists, people with
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Speaker 2: terrorist links.
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Speaker 1: This is a message that people are going to say
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Speaker 1: nodding their heads to.
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Speaker 2: Of course, there's so much clarity about what he's promising,
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Speaker 2: whether you agree with it or not, Christen, and so
40:30
Speaker 2: it brings this debate into focus. Now I know we
40:34
Speaker 2: keep setting up these tests for Joe Biden, like the
40:36
Speaker 2: State of the Union address that he got.
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Speaker 1: Through, he stumbled his way through it.
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Speaker 2: It's a high risk, though, isn't it for Joe Biden
40:43
Speaker 2: to go up against Donald Trump in just ten days
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Speaker 2: nine days time?
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Speaker 20: Now? I mean it is a risk, But you know,
40:52
Speaker 20: we always underestimate Joe Biden, I think of Republicans because
40:56
Speaker 20: we know he's losing it. We know he's not mentally fit,
40:59
Speaker 20: and when it comes to these kinds of events, he
41:02
Speaker 20: surpasses expectations because that bar is so low. So I
41:05
Speaker 20: hope Donald Trump and his team are planning for this
41:09
Speaker 20: and really preparing Trump four years ago there was that
41:12
Speaker 20: debate between Trump and Biden where Trump was not prepared.
41:17
Speaker 10: Clearly, he was.
41:18
Speaker 20: Interrupting and came off sort of out of control, and
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Speaker 20: I think that hurt his campaign, And it was probably
41:24
Speaker 20: because Trump was underestimating Biden and thought, well, he's not
41:29
Speaker 20: mentally with it, so this will be so easy. So
41:31
Speaker 20: hopefully this time around he will stick to the issues,
41:33
Speaker 20: not get stucked into Biden's you know, calling him a
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Speaker 20: convicted criminal or anything like that. Really stick to the
41:41
Speaker 20: issues and remind Americans how much of a disaster the
41:45
Speaker 20: Biden campaign, the Biden administration has been that is how
41:48
Speaker 20: Trump is going to win this debate, and it should
41:50
Speaker 20: be easy for him if he's prepared.
41:53
Speaker 2: See, the thing is that the competency of Joe Biden
41:56
Speaker 2: is now starting to creep into the mainstream debate.
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Speaker 1: I showed last night here on the program. I showed our.
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Speaker 2: Viewers this footage of Joe Biden having to be let
42:05
Speaker 2: off stage by former President Barack Obama.
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Speaker 1: Now, this created so.
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Speaker 2: Much commentary about the fact that Joe Biden seemed to
42:29
Speaker 2: be a bit lost, a bit frozen, and Barack Obama
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Speaker 2: had to really take control and get him off stage
42:34
Speaker 2: that the White Houses actually officially had to respond to
42:38
Speaker 2: this in a press briefing and they referred to denials
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Speaker 2: that there was any problem that came from Barack Obama.
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Speaker 21: I have a look, he said, this did not happen
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Speaker 21: in a sense of what people were saying they were seeing, right,
42:49
Speaker 21: or what was being falsely reported that they were seeing.
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Speaker 21: Let's not forget President Obama President Biden have a relationship.
42:58
Speaker 21: They are friends, They're likely to each other, and I
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Speaker 21: think that's what you saw. You saw the President put
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Speaker 21: his hand behind on the back of a President Biden,
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Speaker 21: and they walked off the stage.
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Speaker 1: Kristin.
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Speaker 2: When the White House press sick is having to explain
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Speaker 2: these sorts of things, it shows that it's really cutting through,
43:18
Speaker 2: doesn't it.
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Speaker 20: Yes, I mean, at this point their argument is, don't
43:22
Speaker 20: believe you're lying eyes. We all see what's happening. One
43:25
Speaker 20: of these videos comes out nearly every day at this point,
43:29
Speaker 20: and it's I know I say this almost every week,
43:31
Speaker 20: but it's really scary, Chris, because our enemies around the
43:35
Speaker 20: world are.
43:35
Speaker 10: Watching these videos too.
43:36
Speaker 20: It's not just us. They see that we have a frail, incompetent,
43:40
Speaker 20: elderly man running the free world, and that is so terrifying.
43:47
Speaker 20: It's just this country is so weak because of a
43:50
Speaker 20: lack of leadership, and it might get to the point
43:52
Speaker 20: where he just clearly can't do the job and they
43:55
Speaker 20: will sub him out at the last minute. You and
43:58
Speaker 20: I have been talking about that for the last year.
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Speaker 10: It could happen at the convention.
44:02
Speaker 20: Joe Biden could step down and they could usher someone
44:04
Speaker 20: like Gavin Newsoman. We just don't know, but it's clear
44:08
Speaker 20: that he's not up for the job. And at this point,
44:10
Speaker 20: anybody who's voting for Joe Biden understands that, but they're
44:13
Speaker 20: voting for him regardless, just because they don't like Trump
44:16
Speaker 20: or something. But I don't think there's an American out
44:18
Speaker 20: there who doesn't realize that Joe Biden is not mentally
44:21
Speaker 20: fit to be president of the United States.
44:24
Speaker 2: It's a fascinating, fascinating and dismal situation.
44:27
Speaker 1: Kristin account.
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Speaker 2: I can't wait to catch up with you next week
44:31
Speaker 2: when we'll be previewing that debate, which will be just
44:33
Speaker 2: a couple of days away.
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Speaker 1: Looking forward to it.
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Speaker 20: Thank you so much, Chris.
44:39
Speaker 2: It's such a worry, isn't it. I really feel sorry
44:41
Speaker 2: for Joe Biden in many ways.
44:43
Speaker 1: How long would you have.
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Speaker 2: Just stood there at the front of that stage, frozen
44:46
Speaker 2: if Barack Obama hadn't gone and grabbed him booked him
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Speaker 2: off the stage. I and I we'll have more about
44:52
Speaker 2: this night out in coming days and weeks, but stick
44:55
Speaker 2: around after the bright going to catch up with the
44:57
Speaker 2: blogs of the nation. Tim Blair, he's going to be
44:59
Speaker 2: saying well to a politician. I think he's going to
45:02
Speaker 2: be happy to farewell, and you might be too. Let's
45:08
Speaker 2: go to Tim Blair from the Daily Telegraph, joining us
45:11
Speaker 2: from Victoria. Good to talk to you, Tim mate. I
45:14
Speaker 2: thought you might be pleased to hear the breaking news
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Speaker 2: that the former treasurer in New South Wales, the Coalition
45:19
Speaker 2: Treasurer Matt Kean, who's as green and mean as the
45:23
Speaker 2: best of them as, announced he's leaving politics.
45:26
Speaker 1: A lot of people thought he.
45:27
Speaker 2: Was going to stick around as the leading moderate, maybe
45:29
Speaker 2: come back and be opposition leader, maybe premier one day,
45:32
Speaker 2: but he's decided to wander off.
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Speaker 9: Well, he wanted off in a way long time ago,
45:39
Speaker 9: didn't he. Chris So, this is a guy who was
45:41
Speaker 9: was wrestling with the Greens for the high moral ground
45:44
Speaker 9: on climate change for the best part of the last
45:46
Speaker 9: decade and who once turned up. I think an image
45:50
Speaker 9: of him turned up in the Archibald Prize, have him
45:53
Speaker 9: coded in some kind of silver spaceman outfit, holding a
45:57
Speaker 9: burning flower and looking like some sort of climate god creature.
46:03
Speaker 9: Very much a odd ball. Some people within the Libs
46:06
Speaker 9: say that, you know, it was just a bit of
46:08
Speaker 9: a sort of a market branding exercise that he didn't
46:11
Speaker 9: really all the way by to the climate sort of stuff.
46:14
Speaker 9: Does it make any difference really when you really do
46:17
Speaker 9: vote that way all the time? And you keep campaigning
46:19
Speaker 9: for that sort of stuff. We chat and a weird
46:22
Speaker 9: way to say goodbye.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a teal in liberal clothing, or maybe,
46:26
Speaker 2: as they say, a lino, a liberal in name only.
46:28
Speaker 2: He certainly was the greenest of them all. I'll never
46:30
Speaker 2: forget this moment when because of this renewable transition, people
46:36
Speaker 2: in New South Wales were facing power shortages and he.
46:39
Speaker 1: Said, never mind, just switch everything off. Father.
46:41
Speaker 22: Look, so what we want to see is if there
46:45
Speaker 22: is an opportunity for people to reduce their energy usage.
46:49
Speaker 22: So perhaps not using the dishwasher until you go to bed,
46:52
Speaker 22: that would help.
46:54
Speaker 2: I love it when they're patronizing telling us how to live.
46:59
Speaker 9: Well, it didn't go quite so far as a certain
47:01
Speaker 9: unionist who thought the idea of all the best way
47:04
Speaker 9: to reduce Sydney's flooding problems was to turn all the
47:07
Speaker 9: taps on and drain the water. Yeah, she doesn't like
47:10
Speaker 9: being reminder, that does she the great leader of the
47:13
Speaker 9: union movement.
47:14
Speaker 2: Well, the good news for the people of Australia is
47:17
Speaker 2: that at this stage Matt Keen is saying that he's
47:19
Speaker 2: just leaving politics altogether.
47:21
Speaker 1: He's not going to slip into federal politics.
47:24
Speaker 22: That I won't be running for federal parliament. I intend
47:27
Speaker 22: on pursuing a career in the private sector. I feel
47:31
Speaker 22: I made significant changes, positive changes in energy policy in
47:35
Speaker 22: my time as the Minister for Energy, so I intend
47:38
Speaker 22: on continuing to try and make an impact in the
47:41
Speaker 22: energy industry in the private sector.
47:45
Speaker 1: Positive changes in the energy sector. What he outlawed the dishwasher.
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Speaker 9: Yes, but the thing is Chris, he'll do really well.
47:53
Speaker 9: People tend to back in these sort of chapters, especially
47:56
Speaker 9: if they're from the perceived right of politics. We've got
47:59
Speaker 9: to remember that Boris Johnson, you know, the you know,
48:02
Speaker 9: the UNPC total wild card former premise to Britain who
48:06
Speaker 9: turned into an absolute worst when he was in power,
48:08
Speaker 9: and back to every climbed initiative he could look at.
48:11
Speaker 9: He's earned reportedly some eight billion dollars since leaving office.
48:15
Speaker 9: There's a lot of private sector money waited be thrown
48:18
Speaker 9: around at these types.
48:19
Speaker 1: He will make up tempting, isn't it. He will make
48:23
Speaker 1: a motza for a g L or someone like that.
48:26
Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind.
48:27
Speaker 2: Guessing just quickly, we've got less than a minute. But
48:29
Speaker 2: you'll take on the Chinese Premier's visit and how that
48:32
Speaker 2: turned out for elbow.
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Speaker 9: I'd say three weeks for blocking in parliament. That was
48:37
Speaker 9: obviously there was a there was a few elbows used.
48:40
Speaker 9: That was just fantastic.
48:43
Speaker 1: More than five meters away from the.
48:44
Speaker 9: Ball way off the Chin, I think the rule of
48:47
Speaker 9: the says, but there was. It was a bit ridiculous
48:50
Speaker 9: and all the statements were just so over the top
48:52
Speaker 9: and lovey dovey, and you just know that behind closed
48:54
Speaker 9: doors the opposite does occurring.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was when the when the Chinese officials
49:00
Speaker 2: were actually in their relaxed Australian demeanor. You can imagine
49:03
Speaker 2: what they're like in the back blocks of Beijing.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us at Timber reading stuff on the
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Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph, and I must commend his blog. Via the
49:13
Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph website, you can get onto his blog and
49:17
Speaker 2: it's a lot of fun. Thanks for joining me. I'll
49:18
Speaker 2: be back tomorrow night at five up. Next is Steve
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Speaker 2: Price for Peter Kredlin.