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Quis est Snoke? · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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Speaker 1: I'm going to regret this. Welcome to the note party.
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Speaker 2: Hi, this is Nick and Ostasu, story editor on Star Wars,
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Speaker 2: the Clone Wars and Star Wars bad Batch, and you
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Speaker 2: are listening to aggressive negotiations.
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Speaker 3: That's right, it's aggressive negotiations, the Star Wars podcast that
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Speaker 3: has beamed out each and every week with new explorations
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Speaker 3: of all of the nooks and crannies of the Star
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Speaker 3: Wars galaxy. I am one of your humble hosts, John Mills,
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Speaker 3: and I am joined by my dear friend and esteemed
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Speaker 3: Jedi Master with another surprise topic, Jedi Master Matthew Rushing. Matt,
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Speaker 3: welcome back to your usual seat here at our little
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Speaker 3: We would appreciate both of those things. But here's a
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Speaker 3: surprise topic for tonight because we're you know, we spent
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Speaker 3: a lot of time talking about the prequels, because the
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Speaker 3: prequels are freaking fantastic. We've talked a lot about the
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Speaker 3: original trilogy. Who doesn't love the original trilogy? And sometimes
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Speaker 3: we don't talk a whole lot about the sequel trilogy.
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Speaker 3: But one of the things that people do talk about
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Speaker 3: the sequel trilogy is some disappointment about history of character
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Speaker 3: stuff like that. I mean, how many years later are
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Speaker 3: we and we haven't even gotten a book attempting an
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Speaker 3: explanation of Snoke. I mean, unless there's something I've missed. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: And there were hints when Force Awakens came out that
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Speaker 3: Lawrence kas Didn't sat there and said, oh, he's got
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Speaker 3: a history, you just haven't seen it yet. I'm like, Okay,
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Speaker 3: well there's a history. Since we haven't gotten that history.
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Speaker 3: All that we've gotten is what we've all sort of
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Speaker 3: affectionately made the occasional joke about that Snoke was a
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Speaker 3: clone of some one somewhere along the lines, and we
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Speaker 3: saw other snow clones and vats On, not Malakor in
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Speaker 3: the Rise of Skywalker. So I want to say here,
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Speaker 3: I want a brainstorm. I want to say we're longtime
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Speaker 3: Star Wars fans. We love to get in there. We
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Speaker 3: love to get into the nitty gritty. You know, if
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Speaker 3: somebody were to say to you, you know, what history
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Speaker 3: of Snoke would be interesting to you, Matt, Where would
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Speaker 3: you see this character? Where would you see Snoke having
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Speaker 3: been discovered and by whom in the course of this
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Speaker 3: history we haven't gotten how old was he? Where did
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Speaker 3: the Dark Side first make him apparent? To either Palpatine
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Speaker 3: or Vader whomever else over time.
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Speaker 1: You know, I think that's a really interesting question and
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Speaker 1: definitely out of left field, because I did not expect that.
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Speaker 1: And you know, the first thing that actually came to
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Speaker 1: my mind is that that he would be a character
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Speaker 1: who would have been discovered by Palpatine, and that he
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Speaker 1: would have been a character that Palpatine actually kept in
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Speaker 1: secret on what's the name of that stupid planet from the.
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Speaker 4: Rise of Sky.
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Speaker 3: I just always called it, not malacor it's exeg exical.
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Speaker 1: That he would have been a person that would have
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Speaker 1: been actually kept on Exagal and maybe been somebody that
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Speaker 1: was strong in the force obviously, and somebody that Palpatine
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Speaker 1: would have trusted with those secrets, and that his job
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Speaker 1: would have been to work on the cloning project, you know,
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Speaker 1: and in some ways much like the character doctor Hemlock
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Speaker 1: that we saw in The Bad Batch, but a force
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Speaker 1: sensitive scientist.
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Speaker 4: Whose goal was to continue that work.
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Speaker 1: And then I would have I think what would make
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Speaker 1: it interesting is that one of the reasons that he's
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Speaker 1: deformed is because of the experience that he has done
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Speaker 1: on himself dark side and otherwise to try and advance
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Speaker 1: the cloning science to the point where you could clone
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Speaker 1: a force user the way that Palpatine wants it to
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Speaker 1: be done. And so what That's just the first thing
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Speaker 1: that just kind of pops into my head, and which,
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Speaker 1: when you think about it, would be an incredibly fascinating story.
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Speaker 1: I mean, did Palpatine already know about exigall? Did they
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Speaker 1: have to go search for it together? You know, there's
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Speaker 1: so many possibilities in that that my head actually kind
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Speaker 1: of explodes with the amount of possibilities of storytelling that
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Speaker 1: you could do with those two characters.
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Speaker 3: I love everywhere you went with that, I really do.
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Speaker 3: I think the cloning tech definitely comes into it. I
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Speaker 3: still hold onto my pet theory, backed by nothing but
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Speaker 3: what I wish, which is which is that he is
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Speaker 3: the product of an attempt to combine Palpatine DNA with
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Speaker 3: Keminoan DNA. Because there's that episode in Bad Batch where
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Speaker 3: they go off and there are those lost cloning chambers
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Speaker 3: and they're doing some sort of cloning experiment. But the
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Speaker 3: figure inside is a little over large. But there was
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Speaker 3: something about the figure that reminded me of Snoke. I
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Speaker 3: am not saying there's any intent. I'm saying that's just
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Speaker 3: where my brain went with it. And obviously we've gotten
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Speaker 3: a sort of a hint in season two of The
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Speaker 3: Mandalorian where they happened across what looked to be a
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Speaker 3: cloning chamber and there was a snoke theme that seemed
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Speaker 3: to be playing in the background when they were staring
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Speaker 3: at it, And if I remember correctly, it's thee infamous
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Speaker 3: episode where they later had to go back and erase
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Speaker 3: the half a crew member that you could see in
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Speaker 3: one of the shots. Yeah, I think that was the episode.
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Speaker 3: It sort of stole the thunder of the conversation, as
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Speaker 3: it were, But I think that where I went with
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Speaker 3: it originally was that he was Vader's secret apprentice and
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Speaker 3: then the Emperor took him out when Vader made a
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Speaker 3: play for power, or the Emperor discovered him and tried
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Speaker 3: to get rid of him the way that he had
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Speaker 3: or he told Vader to get rid of him the
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Speaker 3: way that he told Dooku to get rid of Ventris.
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Speaker 3: But I really like your idea that he would have
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Speaker 3: been involved in some sort of dark magic cloning stuff,
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Speaker 3: because that's the you know, that's the famous lines, like
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Speaker 3: you know, sith magic cloning technology, right, Okay, so maybe
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Speaker 3: he was tied to that and Vader was trying to
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Speaker 3: woo him to be an apprentice to get himself restored,
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Speaker 3: and then Palpatine, being who he was, stole him from Vader,
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Speaker 3: or there was some sort of fight involved. So like,
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Speaker 3: I like that's where I would layer in Vader and Palpatine,
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Speaker 3: and Vader would not have known that Snoke was then
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Speaker 3: brought back to life, as it were. But I want
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Speaker 3: to I want to pick at that one. Do you
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Speaker 3: think it's possible that the Snoke we encountered. Obviously we
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Speaker 3: don't know whether he was a clone or whether he
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Speaker 3: was the original or what have you. But wouldn't it
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Speaker 3: be interesting if when they hit a reset button on
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Speaker 3: Snoke it was basically a new being the like the
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Speaker 3: the failure of his attempt was there was no successful
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Speaker 3: transfer of consciousness from one physical body to the next.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's really interesting.
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Speaker 1: So if I understand what you're saying is then you
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Speaker 1: know there have been like multiple Snokes that almost is
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Speaker 1: it like they almost kind of start over or is
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Speaker 1: there like a baseline for them?
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Speaker 3: That's what That's what I haven't thought far enough about.
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Speaker 3: What do you think makes the most sense it.
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Speaker 1: Would be interesting almost that there was kind of this
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Speaker 1: baseline that they could never get past a certain point,
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Speaker 1: you know with the transfer, Its like you could you
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Speaker 1: could kind of like half a transfer, and then it
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Speaker 1: just stalls out.
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Speaker 3: Almost the band to expand with.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, the force bandwidth is not strong enough. But
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Speaker 1: and and and so that's what would make it interesting.
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Speaker 1: Then when you think about this idea of them trying
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Speaker 1: to do this and and maybe there's an original snoke, right,
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Speaker 1: but they've tried this with others and they've just had
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Speaker 1: to kill them because you know, the it's almost like
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Speaker 1: the prestige, right, Yeah, yes, but like you said that,
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Speaker 1: there's there's something that's wrong with the transfer and and
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Speaker 1: you know, we're making a joke about this.
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Speaker 4: Idea of the bandwidth.
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Speaker 1: But that's why they go and search for the hidden
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Speaker 1: world of Exagal where the force nexus power of the
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Speaker 1: dark Side is the strongest, and that's what allows them
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Speaker 1: to finally get to the point where they could do
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Speaker 1: what they do with Palpatine. And it was only at
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Speaker 1: that point because it's the only place that it my works, right, like,
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Speaker 1: because we know from the Rise of Skywalker it's not
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Speaker 1: completely successful because Palpatine is this, you know, kind of
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Speaker 1: half their rotting corpse, not fully completely formed. He doesn't
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Speaker 1: have quite his full power, and that's the whole point
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Speaker 1: of wanting to you know, draw Ben and Ray there,
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Speaker 1: because he can suck the force of the Diad from
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Speaker 1: them that allows him to become the fully flushed out
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Speaker 1: version of himself.
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Speaker 4: And that's what I think.
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Speaker 1: The idea obviously of like bringing back Palpatine was something
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Speaker 1: they did in the comics, right, and this whole idea,
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Speaker 1: and of course they played with cloning of course in
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Speaker 1: the original Throng trilogy, right yea of Luke and all
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Speaker 1: these things, And I think the idea isn't bad. It
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Speaker 1: really just came down to the execution. And a big
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Speaker 1: part of that is because you know, if you're going
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Speaker 1: to do that, this type of story does feel like
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Speaker 1: it really requires as we're talking about what would be
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Speaker 1: the nitty gritty for the character of Snoke and the
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Speaker 1: character of Palpatine and how all this comes to be.
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Speaker 4: I mean, it.
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Speaker 1: Does feel like you do need a lot of legwork
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Speaker 1: to be able to get to a place where you
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Speaker 1: can make that story makes sense. But you can do it, right,
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Speaker 1: I mean, you could absolutely do it, but you would
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Speaker 1: have had to I almost feel like reveal that from
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Speaker 1: you know that mystery starts in you know what we
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Speaker 1: know as the Force awakens and then has to continue
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Speaker 1: throughout the rest of the series.
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Speaker 4: And so but that when I think about the whole
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Speaker 4: idea of like what we did with Cloning and the
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Speaker 4: Clone Wars and of course Attack of the Clones and
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Speaker 4: everything like that, and then what the EU kind of
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Speaker 4: played with with Cloning and all that, there really is
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Speaker 4: a place for this to happen because obviously we played
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Speaker 4: with it in the Mandalorian too, of this whole idea
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Speaker 4: of you know, maf Gideon's.
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Speaker 1: Desire to be able to create force ability in himself. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and that's what he wanted most was was was to
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Speaker 1: be able to bond. You know, the Midi Chlorians did
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Speaker 1: a higher content rate so that you know, he could
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Speaker 1: be for sensitive and obviously he's not able to make
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Speaker 1: that happen, but that's what he wanted, you know, Grogu
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Speaker 1: for and and so you know, maybe this will be
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Speaker 1: one of those things. And you know, as we know
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Speaker 1: the Mandalorian, Grogu's coming out and we've got all this
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Speaker 1: stuff that's going to be happening with Ah Soca and all,
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Speaker 1: and maybe all this is kind of a way to
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Speaker 1: do exactly what we're talking about, which is to make
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Speaker 1: the story of the sequels in that sense makes sense,
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Speaker 1: right that we're going to write what I'm talking about
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Speaker 1: all that leg so that when you watch that film,
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Speaker 1: maybe it's like, Okay, now that actually makes more sense.
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Speaker 3: You know. And the thing is, I'm I've always been
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Speaker 3: perfectly happy with the one shot villain where it's like
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Speaker 3: they come and they go. I almost think that I
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Speaker 3: would have been better with Snoke if he had just
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Speaker 3: died in the Force, awakens, Grievous comes and goes in
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Speaker 3: one film, Tarking comes and goes in one film. I
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Speaker 3: would have been fine with Snoke coming and going in
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Speaker 3: one film, and I never I would have always been curious,
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Speaker 3: but I wouldn't have been as lack of a better term,
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't have been as annoyed as the way that
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Speaker 3: it went. But let me actually just posit this as
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Speaker 3: one last sort of way to look at it, cause
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Speaker 3: I think we're pretty much on the same things. Like,
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Speaker 3: you know, there was some sort of brilliant science going
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Speaker 3: on war for Snoke between Vader and Palpatine and we
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Speaker 3: have them off Gideon angle. What if throw this idea
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Speaker 3: out there. What if Snoke was simply not simply that's
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Speaker 3: I'm not saying that to be dismissive. What if Snoke
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Speaker 3: was a character who was like a brilliant military strategist
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Speaker 3: or weapons maker and they volunteered him or he volunteered
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Speaker 3: to have the off Gideon thing happened to him. So
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Speaker 3: he has a history just as a regular old person
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Speaker 3: in the original trilogy timeline, he survives as part of
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Speaker 3: the Imperial Remnant and he falls in somehow with Gideon
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Speaker 3: or the Secret Emperor, what have you. But the thing
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Speaker 3: is that leaves what's his association with Vader then? Because
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Speaker 3: he he has an obsession with Vader as like, it's
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Speaker 3: not just Kylo Ren that has the obsession with Vader.
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Speaker 3: But do you think that that is a possibility that
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Speaker 3: like he was one of Vader's trusted lieutenants or you know,
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Speaker 3: generals in that case, and was given the opportunity. Do
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Speaker 3: you want power like I have? There's a crazy experiment
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Speaker 3: we can do. Are you willing to take the risk?
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Speaker 3: And that's why he winds up deformed like it winds
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Speaker 3: up messing with him, but at the same time giving
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Speaker 3: him what appears to be, based on what we see
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Speaker 3: on screen in the Last Jedi incredible power.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think all of that works for
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Speaker 1: the character to help explain, you know, why the character
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Speaker 1: has the abilities that he does, and why he does
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Speaker 1: seem to be so strong, and you know, in some
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Speaker 1: ways make him a force to be reckoned with. Then
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Speaker 1: in the series, you know, and makes him kind of terrifying.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 1: It's interesting that for the series, one of the things
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Speaker 1: that ends up happening is that Snoke becomes kind of
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Speaker 1: a combination of Vader and Palpatine, and the sense that
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Speaker 1: his same foibles, right, are the same things that lead
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Speaker 1: to their downfall, Right, they're Hubris and all that kind
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Speaker 1: of stuff, which is very interesting.
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Speaker 3: So what if he's a product of them doing an
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Speaker 3: experiment using Vader's blood for the m count, and that's
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Speaker 3: why he winds like Vader is so powerful, like so
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Speaker 3: baseline powerful. His antenna's broken. He just needs a new
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Speaker 3: body to live in. So they do the transfer to
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Speaker 3: somebody who is willing to undergo the experiment. But it's
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Speaker 3: so powerful that it winds up making Snoke look and
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Speaker 3: function the way that he does physically. I guess that's
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Speaker 3: a possibility too. Unfortunately, nobody seems to want to take
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Speaker 3: a crack at explaining any of that to us, So
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Speaker 3: we'll just have to sit here and ponder. But at
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Speaker 3: the very least, I think we can agree that it
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Speaker 3: is something that we can ponder regardless of anything else.
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Speaker 3: And someday, I legitimately hope someday we get that explanation
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Speaker 3: because some attempt at it in some source material I
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Speaker 3: really think needs to be made.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it would be great to have.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, as we're talking about it here,
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Speaker 1: I think you can see if you're listening to this,
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Speaker 1: there are just so many interesting avenues that you could
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Speaker 1: go down to help understand this character in his place
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Speaker 1: in the galaxy, has connection with you know, Palpatine Invader
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Speaker 1: and all these different things.
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Speaker 4: And you know, I think the.
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Speaker 1: Whole idea of even just what it is that you know,
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Speaker 1: because this is the thing that the bad Batch does right,
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Speaker 1: is that it does really help build into that mystery
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Speaker 1: of exactly how and what how La teen is trying
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Speaker 1: to do, you know, with these four sensitive children and
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Speaker 1: all of this type of stuff building into that idea
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Speaker 1: of what we got in the sequels, and so I
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Speaker 1: think what that shows is that this storyline itself is
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Speaker 1: kind of rife with great opportunities and deep and interesting
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Speaker 1: opportunities to explore the mythos of the Star Wars universe,
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Speaker 1: and especially the mythos is the Sith in that way too, right,
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Speaker 1: mm hmm.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. So the one last question then, is if they
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Speaker 3: have a great backstory for Snoke that they roll out,
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Speaker 3: will that help you enjoy the entire sequel trilogy more?
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Speaker 3: Will it give you something that you can take into it,
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Speaker 3: because there there are always things where the outside source
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Speaker 3: material can help, you know, ameliorate some of the issues
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Speaker 3: you might have. If they roll out a great backstory
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Speaker 3: for Snoke, does that open your heart to the sequel
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Speaker 3: trilogy a little more?
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Speaker 1: You know, I think it's something that could absolutely help,
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Speaker 1: you know, I don't really know that it could make
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Speaker 1: it worse in that sense unless it becomes one of
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Speaker 1: those things where you know, it gives you that feeling
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Speaker 1: as you're watching it, oh my gosh, this is so great.
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Speaker 1: I wish that. Then the thought process for those three
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Speaker 1: films then was so much more cohesive to allow all
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Speaker 1: of this to actually flow even better, you know, So
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Speaker 1: I think it's probably gonna actually be a combination of
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Speaker 1: the two.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 1: It's gonna leave you feeling like, oh, that makes more sense,
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Speaker 1: but it's also gonna make you think the same thing
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Speaker 1: that you know, we as fans have really been kind
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Speaker 1: of thinking this this whole time, which is just I
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Speaker 1: wish there was more cohesion for this storyline in the
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Speaker 1: sense that from start to finish, somebody had really looked
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Speaker 1: and said, Okay, what are the puzzle pieces that we
21:05
Speaker 1: need to make everything fit together well? And part of
21:11
Speaker 1: that is you kind of need to understand what the
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Speaker 1: whole of the picture is before you can break it
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Speaker 1: down into the puzzle pieces. So you know, this is
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Speaker 1: basically trying to add to the puzzle after the fact,
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Speaker 1: you know, after you have the picture, and that is always,
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Speaker 1: I think, going to be a slightly more Frankenstein's Monster
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Speaker 1: type of approach to storytelling then it would be otherwise
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Speaker 1: if you had just you know, started with a good
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Speaker 1: picture from the beginning.
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Speaker 3: But at the very least we can feel like we're
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Speaker 3: in the writer's room as something is developing, and maybe
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Speaker 3: at the end it all becomes magical because they figure
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Speaker 3: out how to make it work. We got to be
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Speaker 3: open to the idea of it, no matter what the
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Speaker 3: odds are, you know.
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Speaker 1: I mean, as that other franchise would say, there are
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Speaker 1: always possibilities.
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Speaker 3: Or as Hans Solo would say, never tell me the odds.
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Speaker 3: But what I do want you to tell me is
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Speaker 3: where people can find you online?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can find me all over social media under
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Speaker 1: the name Matt Rushing zero two. Of course here on
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Speaker 1: the network in ol post talking about every single chapter
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Speaker 1: the Harry Potter series, one chapter a time. That's a
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Speaker 1: completed show, so you can enjoy that now. And you
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Speaker 1: can also find me over on the TFM network with
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Speaker 1: a bunch of shows. Of course, there is the six
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Speaker 1: oh two clup where we talk about all of those
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Speaker 1: franchises we love outside of Star Trek, and then Chris
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Speaker 1: Jones and I have a bunch of great Star Trek
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Speaker 1: talk over there as well. So John, though, if people
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Speaker 1: wanted to maybe bounce some ideas off of you about
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Speaker 1: what we were talking about, where could they find you?
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Speaker 3: Well, gosh, you can find me out there in the
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Speaker 3: wilds of the internet. As Kessel Junkie k Ees s
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Speaker 3: E l j U n ki E. And as we
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Speaker 3: record this, it's spooky season and I have started watching
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Speaker 3: a whole lot of actually slasher movies and horror movies
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Speaker 3: I've never seen before. So follow me over on Letterbox.
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Speaker 3: Let's connect over on letterbox because that's my favorite social network,
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Speaker 3: what the heck, and you can find me right here
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Speaker 3: on this podcast network, co hosting a show with Darren
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Speaker 3: Moser and Tristan Radell called house Lights, where we look
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Speaker 3: at the work of different directors through the course of
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Speaker 3: their careers or their careers divided up by decade, what
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Speaker 3: have you. As we record this, we're talking about Robert
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Speaker 3: Zamechis of the nineteen nineties, So you know, that's a
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Speaker 3: fun time. And Matt, all of that said, I think
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Speaker 3: that we have to go back because they're having a
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Speaker 3: dinner special tonight snoke stew and I sincerely hope it
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Speaker 3: doesn't have ingredients that come to mind when I say that.
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Speaker 3: So I think it's time to close these negotiations.
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Speaker 4: John, negotiations are closed.
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