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Calvin Smith: Did God Call Death, Disease, And Suffering ‘Good’? · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic, off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Friends, family and Christ, thank you so very much for tuning in, watching, listening,
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  praying for us.
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  We're sharing the podcast, that's just as important, that's getting us out there.
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  It's still a happy new year, here, hope it is, where you're at as well.
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  And thank you again so much.
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  Praise God, got another great guest today, Cal, or Calvin Smith, with answers in Genesis
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  Canada.
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  He's been with us before.
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  In fact, before I give, yeah, answers in Canada, there it is, answers in GenesisCanada.ca.
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  I want to give you, his first interview he did with us, it was all about AI.
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  I don't think we're going to get to that today, but it was fascinating what that conversation
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  was about.
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  It was that AI admitted basically that evolution is effectively impossible.
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  Go to that, go to worldviewmatters.tv and type in Calvin Smith in the search, and I'd
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  love for you guys to check out that interview.
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  But I want to give you, as Harbinger's page, he's at Harbinger's Daily, what a blessing,
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  that he's got a page there as well.
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  And the YouTube channel for answers in GenesisCanada, a lot of great information there, different
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  from answers, US, there it is, it's just at answersCanada on YouTube.
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  Praise God, that they're up there.
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  I know the biblical worldview is not as popular, and that might be an understatement in Canada.
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  And one more, let's see, oh, the Facebook page.
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  Look up Calvin Smith AIG on Facebook, and you can connect with them there, he posts a
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  lot of different things.
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  So brother, thank you so much for your time, good to connect with you again.
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  Good to be back.
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  So Cal, first of all, just give us a little, you've been speaking and doing some tours
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  with Ken Ham, before we get to the specific one we're going to talk about, and the conversation
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  you had with two professing believers, what have you been doing, have you been traveling,
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  doing videos, tell us a little bit about, catch us up.
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  Well, you know, the video outreach was really the silver lining from COVID, you know, and
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  we got locked down pretty hard, and I could go out and speak at conferences and churches
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  and such.
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  We really started to ramp up our video outreach, and that's really been a blessing.
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  We actually doubled our video outreach from last year to this.
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  We just hit 25 million views on our channel alone, and of course, we supply, you know,
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  our videos to several other platforms as well.
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  So that's really been astounding to reach that many people in such a short period of time.
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  You know, conference season has ebbs and flows.
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  I travel all across Canada, serving churches, here sometimes internationally at conferences.
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  But that season's over, of course, we're, you know, probably better, but a month before
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  I'll be on the road again and so on.
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  So, yeah, that's what I do.
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  I've done this for now for 25 years here in Canada and eight years in Genesis, so, yeah.
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  Praise God, brother.
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  Before we get into the topic today, I wasn't planning on asking you this, but you mentioned
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  traveling across Canada, tell us about the environment, the temperature, so to speak,
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  as far as the hostility toward the Biblical worldview, the true Biblical worldview, primarily
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  when it comes to sexuality or creation, gender, what, I'm sure you get a lot of opposition,
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  and is free speech an issue?
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  Some churches, except you, some churches, don't tell us how that goes.
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  There's a lot of churches that would not have answers in Genesis in just because we hold
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  to, you know, a plain reading of what Genesis says.
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  And of course, these issues that we see in culture, you know, traditional marriage, gender
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  rules, all that stuff, really all Christian doctrines, directly or indirectly are founded
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  in the book of Genesis.
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  So, if you don't take that as plainly written, that's where you see a lot of churches going
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  off, offside.
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  But we are receiving some, you know, some pushback in terms of this, what they call hate
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  speech.
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  And now there's an amendment to a bill here in Canada, Bill C9, where what our liberal
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  government is trying to do is actually declaring that certain passages of the scripture could
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  be determined as hate speech.
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  So for example, if you quoted Genesis where it says God created male and female, and somebody
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  took offense to that, you could be accused of a hateful action towards them.
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  And so the crazy thing about this is we already have hate speech laws in the sense that hate
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  speech used to be, if I was to incite violence against someone, then, you know, you could consider
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  that to be a hateful act.
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  But now simply professing your own worldview could be considered a hateful act towards others.
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  So we'll see how that plays out, you know, in the courts and so on.
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  And so the main talk that I would do on a Sunday morning in a church, simply by quoting
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  that verse, somebody could turn around and say, well, that's hateful towards men.
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  They could, you know, try to present charges against me.
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  So it's very interesting happening in the Western world.
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  It is.
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  And I just want to caution our viewers and listeners in America.
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  What happens in Canada doesn't stay in Canada necessarily.
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  And the elections have consequences.
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  We have the opportunity to right now to share the gospel freely, but we saw what happened
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  to Charlie Kirk.
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  He was killed for his biblical worldview and his speech.
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  We believe pretty much the same things.
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  And we just have to continue to speak the truth no matter what, but we've got to get more
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  Christians out to elect conservatives or Christian candidates, hopefully, so that we
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  can continue to have these freedoms because it's just a matter of time or an election cycle
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  that things could change.
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  And that take that as a warning what's going on in Canada there.
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  So okay, Cal.
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  Now to, oh, did you want to comment on that before we move on?
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  Yeah.
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  One of the videos posted on our YouTube channel.
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  I titled it, you know, time travel or something like that.
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  And I was speaking at the Creation Museum in the US and that's how I started off talking
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  to the audience.
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  I said, you know, treat me like a time traveler.
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  It is just down the road a good 10, 10 years from where you folks are right now.
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  And if you look to, hey, they're just about another 10 years down the road from where we
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  are here.
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  So you're exactly right.
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  You can tell, you know, what a society is going to be like typically based on what the
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  public school system in that country is teaching at the present time.
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  And then young people in vibe and then start to express in their worldview.
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  So that's why I really appreciate the title of your entire program here world view matters.
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  What you just shared, even it is sobering just thinking about, we know what our government
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  run, antichrist school system is all about.
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  And I'm saying there are some good teachers.
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  I come from a family of teachers, but there are some good teachers in the system.
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  But their hands are tied when it comes to the gospel.
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  And though the truth of the biblical worldview, because of anything goes except biblical Christianity
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  and our school system and more parents are catching on to that, but I think it's a little
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  too late.
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  All right.
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  For today, Cal, I want to quote you.
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  And then you set it up to when you and Ken Ham were out, you're on a speaking tour and
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  you were in Calgary.
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  And that conversation you had with professing believers, but I want to quote you.
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  You say quote, if a spirit filled believer can pray to our Lord Jesus while believing
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  his character is that of a loving creator who used infirmity, disease and death to create
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  and called it very good, while healing those very same things because they are obviously
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  bad.
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  Well, he was incarnated.
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  I believe your view of Christ is so severely compromised and completely inconsistent
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  with scripture that logic will obviously not help you.
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  And quote, it's pretty heavy and there's a lot to unpack in that cal.
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  So let's just start with the speaking tour and the conversations you had and go ahead,
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  take it.
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  Sure.
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  I just think a lot of people think that the ancestors and Genesis ministry, you guys talk
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  about science and the Bible and the age of the earth.
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  What about that?
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  That doesn't have anything to do with the Jesus or the gospel or anything.
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  And so it's making those connections with people that I think is important because as
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  they said, all of our Christian doctrines are founded in Genesis.
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  So if we can't trust that as plainly written, we're in trouble.
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  So yeah, almost a month ago now, I was out in Calgary and Ken Hamid come up for a very
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  large conference out there for Canada, anyway, about 1600 people.
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  Very conservative group that was holding the conference and so Ken did several talks.
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  I did a break out session.
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  And at the end of one of his talks, we were doing a Q&A and I was standing here, Ken and
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  these two young gentlemen came over, professing Christians, probably university age.
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  And both of them were challenging him on biblical creation, young earth, et cetera.
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  And so he was doing a great job as he always does, of course, giving them answers.
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  But it didn't seem to matter what he said, you know, from what approach.
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  And they were just, no, no, they would just be dismissive.
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  And I could see him getting a little frustrated and he finally just said, you're not even looking
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  for answers.
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  I'm telling you about this and that.
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  So I just said to them, I said, hey, gentlemen, you know, Mr. Hamid here's got to go grab
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  some lunch now.
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  But if you want to dialogue with me, I'd be great, you know, happy to do that, kind of
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  gave him a break.
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  And so finally, I ended up talking to this one fellow and really breaking it down for him
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  as to why this is so important.
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  So I said, okay, look, you believe in Jesus, your Christian, I'm not questioning that.
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  I said, but let's look at a couple of things here, but the scripture is very clear.
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  However, you take Genesis that at the end of the creation, God said everything He had
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  created was very good.
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  Now we know what that means.
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  You know what good means, very good means.
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  Now when Jesus was here doing his earthly ministry, he looked at Acts 1038, I think it is,
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  where it says that Jesus of Nazareth was anointed by God and he went around doing good things
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  and he was healing people and stuff.
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  So even your non-Christian friends know what Jesus supposedly did, what he actually did.
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  But you know, someone with a crippled hand, he healed that and the man couldn't stand
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  and he healed the hips and all this kind of stuff.
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  So infirmity, he healed infirmity.
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  People with leprosy, he healed them of that, so he healed disease.
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  He even brought a dead man back to life.
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  So when Jesus was doing these good things, how do we know that they were good?
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  Well, it's very simple.
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  It's childish in a sense.
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  What he fixed was bad.
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  Everybody knows infirmity, disease and death are bad things and they came into the creation
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  at a very specific point because God did not create with bad things, right?
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  Everything he created was very good.
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  After that, Adam fell and sin in the curse happened and that's why there's bad things
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  in the world.
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  If you can't explain that, you do not have an answer for theodicy.
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  The number one philosophical objection to the Christian faith is, if you've got such
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  a loving God, how come there's death and suffering in the world?
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  Well, God didn't create death and suffering.
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  So he agreed with all of this and so I went on and I said, okay, so what do you believe
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  in with the age of the earth?
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  Oh, the earth, billions of years old.
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  Is it okay?
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  Where do you put billions of years into the Bible?
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  You can't put it in the time frame between when Adam and Eve are coming on the scene
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  to, you know, and then we got a chronology up the way the Christ and back down again
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  to prove the lineage and all that stuff.
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  I said, and so he admitted, well, you'd have to put it in the six days of creation.
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  You'd have to say those days aren't real days, etc.
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  I said, okay.
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  So the secular scientists are saying that the very rock layers we see around the world
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  are the supposed evidence of billions of years of deposition, etc., you know, and so on.
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  So I said, so you'd have to say the rock layers got laid down during the six days of creation
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  then.
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  He said, yeah.
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  I said, okay.
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  So what's in the rock layers?
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  What's in the rock layers is a record of death, infirmity, and disease.
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  We actually have a record of cancer in the fossil record.
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  I said, so let's put all of these things together because in the book of Colossians, it actually
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  says that Jesus is the creator, that all things were created by it.
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  Based on what you've stated and the logical conclusions that come out of it, could you
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  affirm this following statement?
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  I believe Jesus used billions of years of death and suffering and disease like cancer
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  to create and called it very good, all for Adam's sin.
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  And he looked me in the eye and he said, yeah, I get it from that.
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  And at that point, I just shook his hand and I said, hey, well, you know, it was great
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  to talk to you and hope you have a great rest of the conference and I turn around and
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  walk the way because at that point, what good is anything I'm going to say at that point
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  is an apologist.
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  It's not going to work.
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  You've already proven that your view of Christ is that of a creator that would use cancer
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  to create.
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  Like this is one of God's good, creative acts, you know, everything did was very good
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  at the end of the creation.
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  Well, if you've already got cancer and death and so what exactly happened at the fall?
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  Why are we praying for people in our congregations with cancer or that are infirm or sick or
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  anything like that?
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  If this is all part of God's creation.
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  So the challenge is this young man is not some, you know, outlier, the vast majority
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  of Christian leaders, people that we quote from pulpits and pastors quote all the time.
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  If they haven't accepted full blown evolution, they sure have accepted millions of years.
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  And so they may not have actually gone through this exercise and come to this conclusion.
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  But that's the logical entailment of what they believe.
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  And you've got people like William Lane, who's supposedly the greatest Christian apologies
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  on the planet today, and he believes that God, he's evolution to create.
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  And I quote him in one of my videos where he actually mocks the concept of biblical creation,
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  creation next needle.
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  He's talking about ducks and he goes, well, you know, that'd be like there's a pond there
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  and all of a sudden ducks appear.
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  And he goes, that seems smacks a little bit too much of magic to me.
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  Oh my God.
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  I'll tell you, brother, last time I heard anyone connecting magic with creation with some
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  troll on my YouTube channel, some atheist saying, oh, you believe in the magic man in
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  the sky.
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  And here's William Lane Craig basically saying the same thing, mocking the one written
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  scripture.
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  So, you know, all of these things that many Christians of poo poo die, you guys are to,
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  you know, you know, you know, you've said about this age of the earth thing.
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  It's like, look, this all comes down to the gospel and the character of Christ.
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  And so, you know, once you connect those dots, maybe you want to take a serious look at,
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  you know, some of the scientists that we have on board and how we would explain these
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  still called scientific issues that many Christians just believe, well, science is
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  disproven to plane reading of the Bible.
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  So we're just going to adopt evolution and millions of years and it doesn't really matter.
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  So, yeah.
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  So, yeah, it is.
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  So Calvin Smith, I want to get back to the vast time periods in Genesis that you and I would
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  call a day.
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  But before we do that, maybe answer for us how you think young people or someone
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  comes to their conclusions that they have.
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  And I want to just mention, if they're just using, if they're not just strictly going
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  through the Bible and studying and interpreting properly, rightly dividing the word of truth,
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  if they're watching that geo or the history channel, you're going to hear these narrators
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  say billions of years ago, this happened and this happened.
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  If you're going to believe that and a lot of people do and then you've got the government
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  schools and what they teach.
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  So where does, you said these two believers were younger or professing believers?
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  Other than university?
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  Yeah.
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  So where do they get their beliefs?
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  They go to me and you or to you and I, they go against really what Scripture teaches
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  on creation?
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  Well, it's always science over Scripture, right?
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  Whatever the secular schools are presenting, that's what they're accepting as science and
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  fact.
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  And so, you know, really I've had these kind of dialogues for 25 years here, especially
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  Canada, but, you know, with other places as well, because it always comes down to some
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  kind of conversation like this, well, you know, Cal, I'm a Christian, but, you know,
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  I'm well educated.
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  I've gone to university, you know, I've got a doctorate or whatever like this.
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  And it seems like in a bid for intellectual credibility amongst their unsafe family and
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  friends, mostly.
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  Um, you know, it's always like, well, you know, I mean, I believe in the Bible and I believe
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  in Jesus, but, you know, I mean, Genesis, it's kind of talking snake in there.
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  I mean, come on, it's just kind of, you know, Christian mythology.
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  And it's like, okay, so what about this part over here a little while later in Scripture
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  has got a talking donkey.
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  What about this part over here where you've got a floating axe head, you ever tried the
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  floating axe head?
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  Because you fail every time because axes don't float unless the sovereign God of creation
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  says this one's going to float because he's the creator of the heavens and the earth and
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  has total control over whatever he wants to in his creation.
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  So, you know, and over here, you've got a dead guy, a dead guy who comes back to life
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  and a guy walks on water and it's not even frozen like it gets up here in Canada.
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  So, exactly which portion of Scripture am I supposed to be embarrassed of, you know, because
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  of so-called science?
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  Because the same secular scientist that will mock, you know, six days, a young earth creation,
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  no evolution, all that kind of stuff, you know, if you say, well, do you believe that Virgin
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  human females give birth?
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  No.
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  Science is going to, you know, disprove, science is not going to support that.
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  Do you believe dead people come back to life after three days?
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  You know, it's just so absurd in my mind how Christians have compartmentalized, you know,
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  their faith.
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  It's like, sure, I know there are natural laws that the Lord has set up, that the world
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  runs on, et cetera, but there are also supernatural events, including Christ's death and resurrection,
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  which is what our faith is based upon, which is all supernatural.
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  So, I've never really understood it, especially coming from an atheistic background, finally
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  getting saved.
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  And I remember, you know, being handed a Bible at this event where I got saved, and I was
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  so confused, really, that first year of my, you know, becoming a Christian, because I'd
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  never gone to church or read the Bible or anything.
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  And so I started reading the Bible, and I was joked with people, guess where I started?
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  Genesis.
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  Because every other book I'd read, I'd started at the beginning, I didn't know, I wasn't
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  going to stop to start in John or Matthew, you know, and I read, and it's like, oh,
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  God could in six days and rest on the seventh, okay?
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  Like that's the renewal of your mind.
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  I went from being an evolution believing atheist to trusting in our Lord Jesus, and I was
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  just like, okay, well, this is what God did, and, you know, and I didn't know how he
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  did it, and I didn't have a polygetic explanations and all that kind of stuff, but I trusted
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  it on faith because I trusted salvation on faith.
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  So, yeah, it's a conundrum.
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  So, so, so, kill, the word day, as used in Genesis, where others would interpret these vast
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  time, alleged vast time periods, doesn't that word, the same word, I guess, is it in Hebrew?
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  Correct me if I'm wrong.
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  The word day continues to appear in different places in the Old Testament possible, the
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  New Testament as well.
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  Well, in, it's a Hebrew word, obviously, yum, it's the word for day.
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  The typical way people will set the supples, they say, well, you know, the word day in Genesis
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  convenes something other than the literal day, and I'm like, yep, that's not an argument.
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  That's like me saying to you, hey, you know, the word day in English can mean something
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  other than a literal day, David, okay, that's not an argument.
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  The argument would be, what does the word day mean in context in Genesis, then you can
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  get into the argument?
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  Because if I say to you, well, you know, back in my father's day, it took three days to
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  drive to Nova Scotia during the day, so they're confused right now, back in my father's
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  day.
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  Is that a literal day?
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  No, it's when my dad was young and he had peace passed on now, but, you know, it took
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  three days to drive to Nova Scotia, it was those literal days, yeah, during the day,
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  is that a 24 hour day?
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  No, that's the daylight portion of the day.
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  So we, we understand common linguistic convention.
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  Yeah.
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  Well, if you look at the Old Testament, the word yom is used over 2,000 times.
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  And wherever it is linked with a number and the word evening or morning, it is always
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  considered a literal 24 hour day or approximately 20 day.
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  So then you go to Genesis and the evening and the morning with the first day, evening
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  and the morning with the second day, evening and the morning with the, I mean, it's so
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  plain to see what it actually says.
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  And then you hop over to Exodus to 2011, for in six days, the Lord created the heavens
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  earth, the sea and all the others in them.
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  And he, the Lord states that he says, this is the way you're going to work, you know,
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  your work week because of the way I create it.
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  So everybody knew what Genesis meant up until the boat, the mid, you know, 1800s.
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  And that's when Charles Lyle and, you know, started to populate millions of years and
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  that started to go mainstream in secular science.
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  And then, you know, Charles Darwin publishes origin of species.
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  And all of a sudden the church is like, ooh, we've got to keep up with science.
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  Maybe we need to change what the Bible plainly says.
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  Well, you've got the poor wagon, the dog at that point.
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  It's supposed to be the authority of the word of God, not the authority of it.
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  So because now look at where we are, but you don't know how many genders there are.
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  Yeah.
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  The scientific thing or is that, you know, anyway, well, I love, I'm just going back
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  to what you said in my father's day.
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  It took three days to drive the, you know, that's such a distance.
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  That's a great example of using day in different ways.
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  And then the one you said morning and evening, it's hard.
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  To me, Kale, I guess I just take the Bible so literally it's hard to misinterpret.
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  To for me, it's hard to misinterpret day, evening and morning or day and night.
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  I think when people say the word literal too, they sometimes misinterpret what the biblical
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  creationists would say, we've never actually said that we take the Bible literally.
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  Because if I took the Bible literally, I would think Jesus was a door.
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  You know, he's got hinges and a door knob and stuff like that.
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  It's like, obviously there's poetic, there's analogies, there's, you know, aerables, all
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  that kind of stuff.
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  What we say is that we take the Bible as plainly written.
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  So even a parable has a plain meaning, even though it might have symbolic usages of language
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  and stuff like that.
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  But when it comes down to word usage in Hebrew, for example, you know, it's like I said
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  before, it's not, oh, it can mean other things.
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  Well, of course, most words can mean different things than, you know, whatever the main meaning
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  of it is.
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  But that's not an argument in itself.
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  And so I've kind of, well, I mean, you do want to walk through these arguments with people,
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  especially people who want to know the answers.
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  But with most Christians now that have accepted this idea, just say, okay, well, let's say
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  you're right in the word day, isn't day.
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  That means there are millions of years.
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  That means that those six-time periods, that's where all the millions of years go.
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  That means the rock layers were laid down during those millions of years.
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  That means Jesus used death, suffering, pain, and disease to create and called it very
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  good.
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  Is that what you believe?
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  Like just let them run with the narrative.
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  Okay, maybe you're right.
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  Go ahead.
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  Maybe the day is no literal day.
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  That means Jesus used cancer to create.
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  You go, you cool with that?
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  Because that's what it comes down to.
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  It's a matter of biblical authority.
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  Is it man's word or God's word?
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  But you've seen it.
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  It's not as gone to university.
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  I would estimate.
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  And somewhere in his mind, it's just like, well, it doesn't all have to make sense.
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  And they don't even teach logic in school anymore.
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  And I think they should be more in churches, to be honest.
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  That's the years we are.
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  You know?
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  Well, it's critical thinking is not taught really in schools, and that's a problem.
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  So when kids get older, they only absorb what they're told in their class, and especially
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  when they get to university, oh my goodness.
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  So I like what you said, though, that if you put science above scripture, then you're
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  thinking, well, maybe we need to change the scripture.
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  No, that is our final authority.
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  Yeah.
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  And it's not science in the way people think of it.
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  Right now we're communicating through, you know, many means of scientific research that
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  were repeatable, observable, they were testable, right, all that kind of stuff.
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  When you're talking about what's something happened in the past, that's a completely different
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  type of science.
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  That's historical science.
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  It's like forensic.
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  You walk into a room and there's a dead body.
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  No one observed it.
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  You can't set up an experiment to repeat it over and over again.
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  You've got to kind of guess at what happened.
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  You can look at scientific facts, but facts get interpreted, right?
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  So it's not the same type of science people have, well, science is proven that water boils
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  at 100 degrees Celsius at sea level.
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  Yes, because you can set up an experiment and repeat it over and over again.
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  You can't dig out bones out of the ground with little tags on the end of them saying,
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  hi, I'm 65 million years old.
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  That's an interpretation.
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  I would interpret.
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  Apostle is saying, no, that got buried about 40, 400 years ago in a big flood, just like
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  it says here in Genesis.
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  So, you know, we're not anti science.
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  We have PhD science.
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  Right.
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  It's their biggest truth.
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  Right.
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  Science just means knowledge.
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  So I do want to just thank you.
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  This is a great topic to dive into today, because people need more information on this
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  so we can know how to respond like we should.
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  And I want to just send you again, friends, to YouTube, the answers Canada page on YouTube.
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  And then you can find Cal Smith on Harbinger's Daily and make sure you go to answersengenesis.ca
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  as well as his Facebook page, Calvin Smith, AIG, Canada.
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  Brother, thanks for your time.
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  Happy New Year.
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  We'll talk to you again soon, Lord willing.
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  Thank you.
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  Friends, God bless you, and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.