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- 0:00Cornell University Police Department and New
- 0:02York District Attorney Matthew Van Houten's office
- 0:05botched the case right out of the gate. They
- 0:07did such a bad job of handling Jane Doe's rape
- 0:10allegations that it opens the issue. We're outside
- 0:13forces at play. This is L3G4L Special Investigation
- 0:17with Ed Lyman in Los Angeles. This program is
- 0:21intended for mature audiences only. It contains
- 0:23sensitive subject matter and adult language.
- 0:26While your host is a licensed attorney. The information
- 0:28provided is for educational and entertainment
- 0:30purposes only and does not constitute legal advice,
- 0:33a legal opinion, or create an attorney -client
- 0:36relationship. To understand how the district
- 0:45attorney's office worked with the police department
- 0:47and they jointly botched this case, all you need
- 0:51to do is look at two documents. And that's the
- 0:54focus of this episode. We don't even need to
- 0:56go out there to a... larger universe of documents
- 0:59or facts. The first document is a six -page narrative
- 1:02that a police officer wrote after interviewing
- 1:05Jane Doe. It was written in first person as if
- 1:09the officer was Jane Doe. Then he gave her the
- 1:12opportunity to review it. She made some changes,
- 1:15about 20 different handwritten notes on it, and
- 1:18signed it under penalty of perjury and turned
- 1:20it back into the police department. In turn,
- 1:23police sent that six -page statement. over to
- 1:26the district attorney Matthew Van Houten's office
- 1:29to have prosecutors there analyze it and determine
- 1:33whether they thought a crime had occurred. They
- 1:35read it and said, nah, we don't see anything
- 1:38here in the allegations that would show a crime
- 1:41had occurred. So that was it. That was the end
- 1:43of the police investigation and no charges went
- 1:46forward, obviously. Jane Doe had signed that
- 1:49narrative on November 15th, 2024. So all this
- 1:54time goes by for a couple of years. Nothing happens
- 1:56with the case in terms of law enforcement. Then
- 1:59in September 2026, Jane Doe files a civil lawsuit
- 2:03against Cornell University, her sorority, the
- 2:07fraternity, the fraternity members whom she alleges
- 2:10had raped her, and a couple of different bars
- 2:13and some other people. Once her civil lawsuit
- 2:16gained some traction in the media, put a lot
- 2:20of pressure on the district attorney's office.
- 2:23People were really questioning why the hell did
- 2:25you not prosecute these individuals for the alleged
- 2:30rapes? So now here's a second document that I
- 2:34think we need to focus in on just to show how
- 2:37badly botched this stuff is. So the second document
- 2:40was a public statement, a written public statement
- 2:44released by District Attorney Matthew Van Houten
- 2:49on September 28th, 2026. So adding insult to
- 2:54injury, to himself anyway, probably should have
- 2:57just been quiet about the whole thing. This document
- 3:00really shows something wrong. Talk about covering
- 3:04one's ass. All right, so let's go back now. I'm
- 3:08going to start with the first document. That's
- 3:11when Jane Doe goes to the police department.
- 3:14She's interviewed at length. I believe there's
- 3:16a Title IX investigator there, a victim advocate.
- 3:20And some other type of advisor for her, the information
- 3:22I have, I don't know who that was. I don't know
- 3:24that it was an attorney. So essentially, she's
- 3:27in the police department for several hours, bleeding
- 3:29her heart out, explaining what had happened to
- 3:31her on the 19th and 20th of October. And at this
- 3:35point, it's, well, she had reported this to the
- 3:39police on November 8th. And then they do the
- 3:43full -on interview with her on November 14th,
- 3:462024. So then one of the officers types up a
- 3:50six -page single -spaced narrative in first person
- 3:54as if he is her and gives it to her. She reviews
- 3:58it and she takes it home overnight, writes a
- 4:03bunch of notes on it, then signs it and gives
- 4:06it back to the police department. Now, I'm going
- 4:08to read to you or at least summarize for you
- 4:12some of the most salient points I see. in this
- 4:15six -page statement. I've also got it posted
- 4:18on my website, l3g4l .com. Some of the crazier
- 4:22things about this statement, which was written
- 4:24by a cop, are that it's cop talk. 20 -year -old
- 4:28sophomore in college does not write like this.
- 4:31For example, an unknown individual, or then proceeded
- 4:36to, or ranking your level of intoxication at
- 4:41any given moment during the night. on a scale
- 4:44of 1 to 10. That's not what you would write in
- 4:48a statement. They really shouldn't have done
- 4:50this statement in the first place. They should
- 4:53have just wheeled her in to testify in front
- 4:55of a grand jury about what had happened and let
- 4:58the grand jury decide. To get these guys charged
- 5:01with a crime, all they need to show is reasonable
- 5:03cause to believe a crime had occurred. That's
- 5:06all they're going to do when they go to the grand
- 5:09jury. Convince the grand jury. Here's her testimony.
- 5:12We'll put her on the stand. She could testify
- 5:15about what happened. We've got some witnesses.
- 5:17We've got some text messages. We've got some
- 5:19other information here. Then ask the grand jury,
- 5:22do you think there's reasonable cause to believe
- 5:25that any one of these gentlemen had committed
- 5:27a crime? There was no reason to lock Jane Doe
- 5:32down into a written statement in the first place
- 5:35under penalty of perjury. And whoever wrote it,
- 5:39what were they thinking? It discusses a lot of
- 5:42Jane Doe's opinions, which are totally irrelevant
- 5:45in front of a jury. For example, she felt like
- 5:47coercion or they should have known what they
- 5:51were doing. Statements like that, they're conclusory.
- 5:55You don't need that. The statement that should
- 5:57have been written should have just stuck to the
- 5:59facts. We don't want Jane Doe to be explaining
- 6:02what she believes occurred in terms of the law.
- 6:05We just need to know her account of the facts
- 6:07on the timeline. Don't tell us that you felt
- 6:10coerced. Tell us the facts that prove coercion.
- 6:14What do they say? What do they not say? What
- 6:16do they do or not do? Tell us the facts that
- 6:19we need to prove the crime. For example, in New
- 6:22York, first -degree rape requires proof that,
- 6:25in male, female situation anyway, that the penis
- 6:28had made contact with a vagina, oral contact,
- 6:32or anal contact. And also have to prove a lack
- 6:36of consent. such as, did any of these men force
- 6:40themselves on her? Was she physically helpless?
- 6:43Was she mentally incapacitated? Did she have
- 6:46a mental disability? Did she temporarily lack
- 6:50capacity because somebody had poisoned her with
- 6:52narcotics or an intoxicating substance? For third
- 6:56-degree rape, any of those will suffice, but
- 6:58you could also prove that you clearly expressed
- 7:01a lack of consent by using words, for example,
- 7:04no or stop. So the cop that's writing this should
- 7:08know these elements of the crime and be filling
- 7:11out facts that show that crime occurred. Not
- 7:14describing the elements, but describing the facts,
- 7:18such as was there vaginal contact, was there
- 7:20oral contact, with whom, when, what was said.
- 7:25In this Jane Doe narrative, there's a lot of
- 7:28mentions of not remembering what happened next.
- 7:32But you don't see a lot of facts such as what
- 7:34happened right before that moment when you stopped
- 7:38remembering things. What was your physical state?
- 7:42Who said what? What's the very next thing you
- 7:46remembered happened after your memory goes? So
- 7:50I'm going to summarize, I'm going to do my best
- 7:52to summarize some of the most salient points
- 7:55from this police written narrative that Jane
- 7:59Doe signed. And while I'm describing what is
- 8:03in this written narrative, and while I'm going
- 8:06over this, play along with me. You know, take
- 8:09a listen and see if you can determine whether
- 8:11any of these allegations amount to a crime. Here's
- 8:15some of the things you didn't know, all right?
- 8:17October 9th, this is 10 days before the alleged
- 8:21rape occurs, Jane Doe and her brother went over
- 8:24to the frat house, to the Chi Phi frat house,
- 8:29that is. And they were hanging out with a couple
- 8:31of guys there. And some of those frat members
- 8:33offered her ketamine. They pulled out a bag of
- 8:36ketamine. At that time, she said, no, she didn't
- 8:37want any. It's not her speed. That's what she
- 8:40put. And just a reminder, all the facts I'm discussing
- 8:43right now are solely from Jane Doe's statement,
- 8:47signed statement that was written by the officer.
- 8:49I'm not going to open it up and expand it beyond
- 8:51that universe because I don't need to, to show
- 8:54you how badly they botched this. So that was
- 8:59October 9th. She refuses to do ketamine with
- 9:02them. Her and her brother leave, whatever. Fast
- 9:05forward now 10 days, October 19th. She's working
- 9:09out in the evening around 5 .30 p .m. at Gold's
- 9:13Gym, and somebody breaks into her car, steals
- 9:16her wallet, so she doesn't have her license,
- 9:18her wallet, all the identification stuff that
- 9:20she needs. And that's concerning to her because
- 9:23she's supposed to be a sober monitor that night
- 9:26for... her sorority, the Tri -Deltas. It's going
- 9:30to be a very special night for the Tri -Deltas.
- 9:33They were having their date night at the bar,
- 9:36Mooney's Bar, and Jane Doe is supposed to be
- 9:39a sober monitor. But when her car's broken into
- 9:42at Gold's Gym, she reports it to the police and
- 9:45she goes on a Snapchat and texts out to everybody,
- 9:48you know, her close friends, stuff like that,
- 9:50people, sorority sisters, she texts to them what's
- 9:54going on. So instead of her being a sober monitor
- 9:58the sorority girls, figure they'll find somebody
- 10:01else in her place because she's really dealing
- 10:03with a lot of stress. By the time Jane Doe gets
- 10:06back to the sorority house, a lot of the girls
- 10:08had already left to the bar. Jane Doe recalls
- 10:12having about six shots of alcohol, alcoholic
- 10:15beverages, maybe a couple more mixed drinks there
- 10:17at the Tri -Delta house. And she finds her way
- 10:21over to the bar a little bit later than the other
- 10:23girls. But since she doesn't have to be a sober
- 10:25monitor, obviously she can drink. She gets to
- 10:28the Mooney's bar. At some point she borrows a
- 10:32friend's credit card. He gives it to her so that
- 10:36she can go to the bar and buy a drink. She says
- 10:39she bought a sex on the beach, which she believed
- 10:41had two shots of alcohol in it. They didn't check
- 10:44the stamp on her hand that said she's under 21.
- 10:47She leaves there, goes to another bar with a
- 10:50friend. for a little bit of time, then ends up
- 10:52at the fraternity house. She walks about a mile
- 10:55to get there. She wanted to go visit Matthew
- 10:58Engel, who's one of her friends. They had been
- 11:02planning to meet up that night for about a week,
- 11:04I think. It starts with the first threesome.
- 11:06That's when Engels asks Jane Doe for a threesome.
- 11:10She asks him with who, and he said, well, go
- 11:13find somebody. Then he went up to look for different
- 11:16people, and Jane Doe went upstairs with somebody
- 11:19else. and some time had passed. Meanwhile, Ingalls
- 11:22went down a long hallway and into a room. Then
- 11:25Ingalls came back to get Jane Doe and brought
- 11:28her to that room. Jonathan Newell was sitting
- 11:32on a couch in that room. Jane Doe had known Newell
- 11:35for about a year. She had been intimate with
- 11:38him in the past. This is a prime example of how
- 11:41the police just botched us right out of the gate.
- 11:44There's no damn good reason why... they needed
- 11:47to include in her written statement that she
- 11:49had previously been intimate with Newell. Her
- 11:52prior sexual acts, things like that, totally
- 11:55irrelevant. There's rape shield laws. You don't
- 11:57go into the victim's privacy like that. But here
- 12:00the police are just exposing that and putting
- 12:02it in a statement. Jane Doe was excited because
- 12:05she thought these guys wanting a threesome meant
- 12:07the two of them were gay, which meant they were
- 12:10part of the community that she was involved in
- 12:13because she's bisexual. Don't know that they
- 12:15needed to put that in the statement either. None
- 12:18of that. She said to them, I didn't know you
- 12:20all were fruity. To which one of them responded
- 12:23by saying he was homo curious. I don't know how
- 12:27this is so relevant whatsoever to anything. Might
- 12:30inflame some people on the jury that are gay.
- 12:34Not much else was said and they began having
- 12:37a threesome. She gave oral sex to Ingalls while
- 12:40Newell had. vaginal sex with her from behind.
- 12:45She stated, quote, I would say that I was pretty
- 12:48okay with having this threesome. Newell hit her
- 12:52several times on the butt. She noted that she
- 12:55was in severe pain from it, really got her. She
- 12:58yelled out, damn. Ingalls appeared sleepy and
- 13:02he was no longer fully erect, which led her to
- 13:05stop giving him oral sex. That's when Jane Doe
- 13:08told Newell they needed to stop having sex. so
- 13:11that they could help out Ingalls. Things stopped
- 13:13for a little bit. Newell went to the couch, and
- 13:16he was dry heaving. Jane Doe was helping him.
- 13:19Then they kissed. Meanwhile, Ingalls was sleeping
- 13:23on the bed. Newell tried touching her vagina.
- 13:26Quote, he reached for my vagina several times,
- 13:29and each time he did, I would swat his hand away.
- 13:33Quote, now here's the next threesome. Again,
- 13:36they're grouping it in terms of threesomes. While
- 13:41Jane Doe and Newell were making out, Jillio Lopez,
- 13:44I'm botching his name, I'm sure, Jillio Lopez
- 13:47knocked on the door. She heard that it was his
- 13:51room, so she opened the door and let him in.
- 13:54When Lopes, I don't know if I should call him
- 13:57Lopez or Lopes, but when Lopes entered the room,
- 14:01Newell told her to sit on his lap. Newell was
- 14:05not wearing any pants and still fully erect.
- 14:10She was using her dress as a barrier between
- 14:13their bodies. She had kind of gotten dressed
- 14:14again after the first threesome. Lopes introduced
- 14:18himself and reached his hand out to shake her
- 14:20hand. Lopes pulled her in to make out. He was
- 14:25kissing her. Then Newell began groping and quote,
- 14:29began reaching for the area near her vagina again.
- 14:33Now, eventually, Lopes, Newell, and Jane Doe
- 14:37made it to the bed. and had a threesome next
- 14:40to Ingalls while he was still sleeping. Jane
- 14:43Doe's statement says, I don't remember much of
- 14:46this threesome with Newell and Lopes because
- 14:48much of the night after Lopes entered the room,
- 14:51I was pretty incapacitated. She does remember
- 14:56giving Lopes oral while Newell had vaginal sex
- 15:00with her from behind. She does not specifically
- 15:03remember having sex with Lopes, but remembers
- 15:06hearing Lopes and Newell say something about
- 15:08having a turn. At that point, she felt she was
- 15:12being used. While they're having their threesome,
- 15:15Ingalls wakes up and he wanted a foursome. And
- 15:20she said, hell no. And the reason why she said
- 15:24no is because she thought that meant she would
- 15:27have to take anal. And she had a traumatic experience
- 15:32with something like that before. Again, why are
- 15:35the police officers? putting that in a statement
- 15:38like this when her prior sexual acts and history
- 15:42should not ever come up, but they're presenting
- 15:45it, and this could create an issue. There's a
- 15:48rape shield law. We don't bring that out in front
- 15:50of a jury, her prior sexual history or acts,
- 15:53but it could be argued by the criminal defense
- 15:55attorney, hey, look, you're waiving it. You're
- 15:57saying this is relevant for some reason. You're
- 15:59putting it in a statement. But see, this could
- 16:02really botch things in front of a jury. And then
- 16:05she wrote, quote, Well, the police wrote for
- 16:07her, quote, I don't remember much of what happened
- 16:10directly after I told Ingalls no to the foursome.
- 16:14But at some point, Lopes left the room without
- 16:17me realizing. Lopes didn't say anything to me
- 16:20prior to leaving from what I remember, quote.
- 16:24So here she's having a lot of memory issues.
- 16:28That's pretty important to know. So now this
- 16:31is the third sex scene, basically. From what
- 16:36she remembers. A group of multiple men walked
- 16:39into the room. She was instantly horrified. She
- 16:43remembered squealing out loud and running across
- 16:45the room and hiding under the covers on another
- 16:49bed that was in the room. So I guess there was
- 16:52two beds in this room all along. I mean, if you're
- 16:55a cop and you're typing all this stuff out for
- 16:57her, why not just describe what the room looked
- 17:00like a little bit for us? At the beginning, it
- 17:02had two beds, it had a couch, blah, blah, blah.
- 17:07Some descriptions, basic descriptions of what
- 17:09it looks like, where we're at with you right
- 17:11now. The statement says, quote, I was horrified
- 17:15because I was really embarrassed that these individuals
- 17:17who had just entered the room were standing between
- 17:20me and the only exit from the room. As I was
- 17:25hiding under the covers, the group of individuals
- 17:28came over to the bed I was in, quote. So you've
- 17:33basically got Matt Ingalls. You've got Newell.
- 17:37You've got Winston Lee at this point. Scott Norris,
- 17:41Scott Kretschmar, and Diego Sarabia all in the
- 17:45room with her. Everybody but Lopes. Winston Lee
- 17:50gets in the bed next to her on her right side.
- 17:53Then one of the Scots sat down on the corner
- 17:56to her left. The other Scott got in the bed and
- 18:00sat to her left. She said that. It was somebody
- 18:04she had previously hung out with around fall
- 18:07break. So she was familiar with one of the Scots.
- 18:10Ingle introduced her to two of the guys who were
- 18:13standing at the foot of the bed. And one of those
- 18:16was now sitting on the bed on her right side.
- 18:21She thinks there was another person standing
- 18:23next to the two individuals at the foot of the
- 18:25bed, but doesn't remember his name. Quote, the
- 18:29night really becomes a blur for me at that point.
- 18:32I don't remember much of what. happened in the
- 18:35next few minutes, but I do remember being covered
- 18:38up in the bed, quote. That's when Diego Sarabia
- 18:44said something mean to her, and other guys in
- 18:46the room had negative reactions to what he said.
- 18:49She instantly became defensive and sat up quickly
- 18:53in the bed to confront Sarabia about what he
- 18:56said to her. And in doing so, the covers had
- 18:59fallen off her breasts. which were now exposed
- 19:03to everyone in the room. And she was defending
- 19:05herself and yelling at him. He apologized and
- 19:09grabbed her face and started kissing her. She
- 19:12quickly backed away to stop Sarabia from kissing
- 19:15her. And she remembers not having many emotions
- 19:18at that point because she was starting to become
- 19:20completely numb to the whole situation. Jane
- 19:24Doe's phone was across the room and she felt
- 19:27like she couldn't get to it. So then she stood
- 19:31up. and confronted Sarabia, flexing towards him.
- 19:34Then she realized she was standing in front of
- 19:37everyone completely naked. She sat back down
- 19:40on the bed to cover herself as best as she could.
- 19:44She grabbed one of the guy's arms, I'm assuming
- 19:48it was Engel or Newell, but the name was redacted,
- 19:51and she said to him, I don't know who any of
- 19:55these people are. He replied by laughing and
- 20:00asked if she wanted to do more ketamine. And
- 20:03when he said that to her, it hit her that she
- 20:07had taken ketamine on the couch with two people
- 20:10earlier in the night, and their names were redacted.
- 20:14So this is another problem here with the police
- 20:17written narrative. It's out of sequence now.
- 20:21We don't know in what sequence of events that
- 20:25she took the ketamine the first time. It doesn't
- 20:27describe that. It just says, Now she's about
- 20:30to take ketamine again, and she remembers at
- 20:32that moment that she did it earlier that night
- 20:36with two guys there. The police officer, when
- 20:39he wrote this, he should have put it in chronological
- 20:40order. What happened first, second, third, fourth,
- 20:44just down the line. Now, once you get to event
- 20:47seven, did you remember what happened between
- 20:49event two and three? Just say it between two
- 20:53and three. So here we are now, apparently the
- 20:56second time. He's asking if she wanted to do
- 20:59more ketamine. She recalls now that earlier they
- 21:02had done ketamine on the couch, her and two guys
- 21:05whose names have been redacted. Then the statement
- 21:08goes on to say an unspecified guy, don't know
- 21:11which one, would later tell her that she had
- 21:14also smoked marijuana from a large bong as well
- 21:18as consumed Jamaican liquor while on the couch
- 21:21with him and the other guy. She remembered smoking
- 21:25marijuana, but the ketamine in Jamaican liquor,
- 21:28she had zero memory of. The statement says, quote,
- 21:32all I could remember was the feeling that I had
- 21:37already done ketamine once, so why not do it
- 21:40a second time? At that point, Newell poured a
- 21:45line of ketamine on his erect penis, implying
- 21:48that she should snort the line. Then she snorted
- 21:53the line of ketamine. which was a heavy amount
- 21:55of ketamine. She knew it was a heavy amount based
- 21:59on how hard it hit her. At that point, she was
- 22:04back under the covers and Newell got under the
- 22:07covers with her, where he again tried reaching
- 22:11for the area of her vagina. Next, Winston Lee
- 22:16asked if they could do ketamine off her body.
- 22:20Then they did ketamine off her body. Her face
- 22:23was covered. She was laying on her back. Then
- 22:26Lopez or Lopes came back. I'm never going to
- 22:31get his name right. He came back with another
- 22:35mail. They entered the room and said something
- 22:39like, okay, we're shutting down whatever the
- 22:42fuck this is. She found that strange because
- 22:45Lopes was acting as if he hadn't just been in
- 22:48the room with her earlier that night. She asked,
- 22:51quote, wait, didn't this guy fuck me? Quote.
- 22:55The men began to scatter. Jane Doe attempted
- 22:58to get up off the bed, but became very dizzy
- 23:02due to her condition. She has postural orthostatic
- 23:07tachycardia syndrome, POTS. That made her very
- 23:11dizzy in addition to the fact that she had done
- 23:13a bump, another bump of ketamine. And I suppose
- 23:17it was both of the guys named Scott. They told
- 23:19her to stay there as long as she needed to. She
- 23:23stood up. her dress to her, but she had to sit
- 23:27back down because she was dizzy. Now, Ingalls
- 23:31and Winston Lee ushered her out of the room,
- 23:34brought her upstairs to a small room. It was
- 23:38a small closet repurposed into an office space.
- 23:41She thought it was maybe the frat president's
- 23:44office. Ingalls and Winston Lee sat on the chairs
- 23:48and said, let's do more ketamine. So she snorted
- 23:52some more. Ingalls wanted to have sex again as
- 23:55redemption for having passed out earlier during
- 23:58the threesome with her and Newell. Now, she doesn't
- 24:03remember how it started, but she was having a
- 24:06threesome in that office space with Ingalls and
- 24:09Winston Lee this time. At this point, she describes
- 24:13her intoxication as an 8 out of 10. Again, why
- 24:17are we even putting this in a statement that
- 24:19doesn't seem to be helpful at all? The statement
- 24:22goes on to say, quote, I felt like I was unable
- 24:25to make any decisions because of how intoxicated
- 24:28I was. The threesome continued until at some
- 24:31point around 5 .45 a .m. I said that I was tired
- 24:35and needed to turn in. At that point, both guys
- 24:39stopped the threesome with me, as far as I can
- 24:41remember, quote. So I'm not quite sure whose
- 24:44room they're in now, but one of the guys let
- 24:47her stay in his room. And then again, at some
- 24:50point, more cop speak, at some point, some guys
- 24:54knocked on the door and said they wanted to snort
- 24:58cocaine out of her anus. But whoever's room it
- 25:01was that she was with, probably Ingalls, maybe
- 25:03it was Lee, told them to go away. And they did.
- 25:06She fell asleep in his bed and woke up around
- 25:0910 a .m. on Sunday, October 20th. Shortly after
- 25:13she woke up, another person. unspecified, redacted,
- 25:18was hovering over her with both of his arms on
- 25:21either side of her. She asked him what he was
- 25:24doing, and he said he was going to put his penis
- 25:26in her mouth. She told him, no, in a mean way.
- 25:30And then one of the guys, probably Ingalls, drove
- 25:33her back to her sorority house. The statement
- 25:37also indicates that several people were gossiping
- 25:40that members of the fraternity were bragging
- 25:42about having an eightsome with her. Some rumors
- 25:44said it was 10 people. So that was the first
- 25:47document I wanted to share with you. Think about
- 25:50it. They sat her down for an extended period
- 25:53of time with a bunch of people interviewing her
- 25:55on the 14th of November, 2024. Later that evening,
- 26:00they had this typewritten six -page statement
- 26:03for her to sign, and she reviewed it overnight,
- 26:06signs it with some notes, gives it back to the
- 26:09police department. Why did they want her to commit?
- 26:13everything and have to unpack all that stuff
- 26:16all in the same day. Why not go investigate,
- 26:18get some more information from witnesses and
- 26:21consider things before you lock her into a statement
- 26:25written by a police officer. And the police,
- 26:29they don't know whether these facts amount to
- 26:33a crime or not. So why are they writing this
- 26:36in the first place? They have to go to the district
- 26:38attorney to ask them. for some advice. Are there
- 26:41any allegations contained here that amount to
- 26:45a crime? In order to write a statement like this
- 26:49that's going to be used to help secure a grand
- 26:54jury indictment, one would think that you know
- 26:56the elements of the crime first, and that you're
- 27:00going to find a bunch of facts and put the facts
- 27:03in there that are necessary to support each element
- 27:06of the crime. But they don't know after all this
- 27:09time they've interviewed her and other people
- 27:11are there as well. They don't know if anything
- 27:14she said amounts to a crime. So let's just throw
- 27:17a bunch of things into a six -page statement
- 27:20and hope something sticks. Who the hell knows?
- 27:22Oh, and have her sign it first, too. That makes
- 27:24no sense. So they've got the statement and they
- 27:28send it over to the district attorney's office.
- 27:30And a bunch of prosecutors there look over this,
- 27:33apparently. Of course, they assume everything's
- 27:37true. That's in the allegations. And they say,
- 27:40look, there's no crime here. We don't see any
- 27:42crime. Not at all. So that's it. The investigation's
- 27:46done. We're done. All right. Next, let's go find
- 27:49some DUIs to prosecute. So that's 2024. Then,
- 27:53of course, 2025. And now here we are. We get
- 27:57up to September 2026. And Jane Doe files her
- 28:00civil lawsuit against the university. her sorority,
- 28:04the Tri -Deltas, their sorority, the Chi Phi,
- 28:09two bars, and she sues eight men who are members
- 28:14of the fraternity. The allegations in her civil
- 28:17lawsuit are much more powerful, obviously, but
- 28:21she had a lawyer draft them. It wasn't some rando
- 28:23cop at Cornell University Police Department that
- 28:26just didn't know what type of facts you need
- 28:29to write down in order to color rape charges.
- 28:33So now that it's all over the news because there's
- 28:36this huge rape scandal occurring at Cornell,
- 28:39everybody's instantly wondering, why didn't the
- 28:42police department do anything? Why didn't the
- 28:44district attorney's office do anything? So there's
- 28:46this huge shit storm and district attorney Van
- 28:50Houten makes another big misstep in his career.
- 28:54And that's the second document we're going to
- 28:56talk about right now on September 28th, 2026.
- 29:02He does a press release. I'll put this document
- 29:04on my website, l3g4l .com for you as well. Just
- 29:08check it out. If you want to follow along with
- 29:10the document right now, you can go to my website.
- 29:12You'll find it. This is a letter from an elected
- 29:14official that is painfully trying to cover his
- 29:17ass at this point. Remember, a district attorney
- 29:19or a police officer, they don't really have a
- 29:22duty to prosecute every possible crime that's
- 29:25occurred. They're not required to. They have
- 29:27massive immunities. But the head of the district
- 29:30attorney's office, well. He's got something bigger
- 29:33to worry about, and that's voters. So let me
- 29:35read some excerpts for you from his press release.
- 29:39Van Houten's talking about the civil lawsuit
- 29:42now. Quote, given the lawsuit's graphic allegations
- 29:45of criminal conduct, the question of why those
- 29:48individuals were not criminally prosecuted has
- 29:51been raised. Over the past two weeks, many people
- 29:54have called my office, left voicemails, and sent
- 29:58emails about this case. Some people have understandably
- 30:03sought answers. Others have simply insulted and
- 30:06sometimes threatened my office and my staff.
- 30:09In each case, the comments and questions have
- 30:12been based solely on the allegations in the civil
- 30:15lawsuit and its characterization by news and
- 30:18social media sources. While I generally refrain
- 30:22from commenting publicly on criminal investigations,
- 30:25the community outrage stemming from the incomplete
- 30:28news and social media coverage requires that
- 30:31I provide an answer to why the investigation
- 30:34resulted in a lack of criminal charges. Before
- 30:37I discuss the specific facts and reasons that
- 30:40went into this decision, I want to provide the
- 30:43answer in the most basic and understandable form.
- 30:47Jane Doe's sworn statement in November of 2024
- 30:50did not allege that she was drugged against her
- 30:53will or gang raped. On the contrary, Jane Doe's
- 30:56statement described her participation in drug
- 30:59use and sexual conduct as voluntary, conscious,
- 31:02and consensual. I don't know that her statement
- 31:05actually said that her participation in drug
- 31:09use and sexual conduct was voluntary, conscious,
- 31:12and consensual. I don't recall that part of the
- 31:15statement. What is he talking about? Sounds like
- 31:19she agreed to partake in the first threesome
- 31:21and the second threesome. Okay. I can see that.
- 31:27But after that, a bunch of guys came in the room,
- 31:30and then she was also having these memory lapses
- 31:32here and there. She had confusion over doing
- 31:35ketamine the first time. There was a point where
- 31:38all seven of the men were in the room at the
- 31:40same time, or maybe it was six, and she forgot
- 31:44what had happened for at least a few minutes.
- 31:47In the press release, District Attorney Van Houten
- 31:50goes on to write that in November of 2024, The
- 31:55Cornell University Police Department informed
- 31:57the DA's office of their investigation in this
- 32:00case and asked us to review a statement provided
- 32:03by Jane Doe to determine if her allegations constituted
- 32:06a crime. The police wanted the district attorney's
- 32:11office to review Jane Doe's statement. Van Houten
- 32:16wrote, quote, Then Houghton then explains that
- 32:32following their review, they confirmed with the
- 32:36police that criminal charges were not appropriate
- 32:38based on Jane Doe's statement. Then he rationalizes
- 32:43why he needs to release portions of Jane Doe's
- 32:47statement, which is, very bizarre and absolutely
- 32:51self -serving. When does law enforcement or prosecutor's
- 32:56office release a victim's statement when a case
- 33:01has not even been charged, let alone even if
- 33:04the case is charged? You're just not going to
- 33:06see this stuff until it comes out in court. But
- 33:09Van Houten's clearly covering his ass, and this
- 33:12is where it gets worse. Here, he keeps stepping
- 33:14in the dog shit. What he's about to do in this
- 33:17press release is cherry pick. quotes from Jane
- 33:22Doe's statement, the one that was written by
- 33:24the cops and signed by her. He's going to cherry
- 33:26pick from it and editorialize it. He doesn't
- 33:31bother to give us the complete statement so we
- 33:34can just interpret it for ourselves. He wants
- 33:36us to see a certain limited set of facts. Now,
- 33:41I had to think of a way to convey this information
- 33:44to you out there in radio land. So after Van
- 33:50Houten releases, should I call him Houghton?
- 33:53After Van Houten releases this, eventually the
- 33:59six -page statement of Jane Doe leaks out to
- 34:03the media. But it's strange. It's not the version
- 34:07with her handwritten notes on it, so we don't
- 34:10have a copy of that. So what I've done is I've
- 34:12taken her six -page statement, the one written
- 34:15by the cops and signed by her, and I've highlighted
- 34:17each passage in it Van Hatton uses in his press
- 34:24release the ones that he cherry -picked. So you
- 34:26can go on my website and you can get this document
- 34:28with the highlights on it. You could see everything
- 34:30he excluded from his press release. And it's
- 34:35very telling, I think. Here's some of the things
- 34:38I noticed. Remember Jane Doe, her statement written
- 34:43by the cops says that there was a second threesome
- 34:46among her, Newell, and Lopes. Now, Van Houten's
- 34:52press release talks about that, but he very conveniently
- 34:57leaves out one of the most important parts of
- 35:01Jane Doe's statement, quote, I don't remember
- 35:04much of this threesome, dot, dot, dot, because
- 35:07much of the night after Lopes entered the room,
- 35:10I was pretty incapacitated, end quote. I'm sorry,
- 35:15Van Houten, what the fuck? Why wouldn't you include
- 35:17that? your press release. She says, I felt like
- 35:24I was incapacitated. I don't remember that much.
- 35:30So he carves around some of these big, important
- 35:33facts that were actually in her police written
- 35:36statement. He's trying to justify, rationalize
- 35:41why he thinks no crime occurred. Well, it's pretty
- 35:44easy when you cherry pick the facts. District
- 35:49Attorney Van Houten ignores. Another one is that
- 35:54Van Houten, although he does talk about the first
- 35:58threesome among Jane Doe, Ingle, and Newell,
- 36:02that Newell was reaching for her vagina multiple
- 36:06times and she was swatting his hand away, Van
- 36:10Houten does not describe that same situation
- 36:13occurring the next time during the next threesome
- 36:16among Jane Doe, Newell, and Lopes. Van Houten
- 36:22doesn't describe the scene where she's, Now trying
- 36:25to sleep, it's 5 .45 a .m. And at some point,
- 36:29a group of guys knocked on the door to the room
- 36:32and said they wanted to snort cocaine out of
- 36:35her anus. Didn't bother to mention that. Then
- 36:40Hatton didn't mention that when she woke up around
- 36:4710 a .m. that somebody was hovering over her
- 36:53with both of his arms on either side of her.
- 36:58And she asked what he was doing, and he said
- 37:00he was going to put his penis in her mouth. I
- 37:03don't know. I don't know why Van Houghton just
- 37:06left that out of his press release. There's some
- 37:10additional sex crimes right there, right? Now
- 37:14look, I'm an attorney licensed to practice in
- 37:17California, not New York. Nothing I'm saying
- 37:19here, either way, is legal advice. Got it? All
- 37:24right. Good. Just giving an opinion about...
- 37:30An event in the news. Not giving a legal opinion
- 37:34here. But I think, based on the facts that I
- 37:40read in Jane Doe's statement that was written
- 37:42by the cops, that it is plausible to get a first
- 37:46-degree rape charge, a second -degree rape charge,
- 37:49a third -degree rape charge, a charge for sexual
- 37:53misconduct, a charge for forcible touching, a
- 37:56charge for sexual abuse in the second degree,
- 38:01aggravated sexual abuse charges for sale of a
- 38:04controlled substance distributing ketamine to
- 38:07her that's essentially dealing drugs whether
- 38:10money exchange hands is irrelevant for that crime
- 38:13there's also the alcohol beverage control she
- 38:18was under 21 somebody gave her a drink at the
- 38:20beginning of the night and then jamaican liquor
- 38:23oh and also that weed she smoked out of the bong
- 38:26and there's also the crime of sex trafficking
- 38:29so there's a bunch of avenues to explore there.
- 38:32And I think it wouldn't be that complicated based
- 38:35on the statement alone if you had Jane Doe testifying
- 38:38about this stuff in front of a grand jury to
- 38:41procure an indictment, at least on a few of those
- 38:45crimes. But this all goes back to the question,
- 38:48why did a police officer, who obviously didn't
- 38:51have enough experience to figure out what facts
- 38:54were necessary to prove certain elements of the
- 38:56crime, why is he drafting this stuff up and having
- 38:59her sign it? and then sending it over to the
- 39:02DA to ask, does it seem like there's enough here?
- 39:04And that was right after the very first day of
- 39:07doing a lengthy interview with her on November
- 39:0914th. And then by the 15th, you've got the signed
- 39:11statement. To me, that's an incredibly fast turnaround.
- 39:15I can't do that as a lawyer. It would be malpractice
- 39:18if somebody came in and spoke with me for hours
- 39:21about an incident, and then I was able to draft
- 39:25up that same night. a six -page statement about
- 39:29it, and then give it to her and have her sign
- 39:31it? These are very serious sex crime allegations,
- 39:35serious crime that needs specialized attention
- 39:38and handling by people who know what they're
- 39:41doing in the first place. And if it's November
- 39:4414th, 2024, and they're just really hearing this
- 39:48stuff for the first time during the lengthy interview,
- 39:51of course, she reported it 10 days before on
- 39:53November 8th, but during the interview, it's
- 39:55November 14th. At that point, Why not go investigate
- 39:59and ask other witnesses? Why lock her down into
- 40:02a written statement of six pages? Looks to me
- 40:05like you've got reasonable cause to show, hey,
- 40:08there's drugs going on. Why not get some warrants?
- 40:11Why not get a search warrant for the drugs? A
- 40:14warrant out to Snapchat for the messages. A warrant
- 40:18out to Apple for iCloud backup data. Why not
- 40:22interview some of the witnesses? How about the
- 40:25guy that gave her A screenshot of the Snapchat
- 40:28message. What about interviewing him? How about
- 40:32interviewing other frat guys? Or how about interviewing
- 40:36the people she is accusing of doing these things?
- 40:41Go out in the field. See if they'll talk to you
- 40:44voluntarily. Somebody will. Collect evidence.
- 40:47That's primarily what law enforcement is there
- 40:50for. If they have one responsibility, it's to
- 40:52collect evidence and bring it to court. there
- 40:55is always this misconception that they have the
- 40:57duty to protect us and serve us. They're not
- 41:01required to do that. Their primary job is to
- 41:04collect evidence and people. And that's why you
- 41:07have a Fifth Amendment right not to talk to them
- 41:09because they're collecting evidence against you.
- 41:11So go out and do your job and collect some evidence.
- 41:14Surely you've already recorded Jane Doe for several
- 41:18hours on the 14th of November. You have her probably
- 41:22on video recordings and tape recordings, as is
- 41:25normal when you interview a victim. That's fine.
- 41:28But you don't need to summarize that stuff in
- 41:31a narrative and then have her sign it. It's certainly
- 41:35not the same night. Develop the facts. Get some
- 41:38more evidence. I mean, we're finding out now,
- 41:41and this was not in her statement, but we're
- 41:44finding out now that just several days before
- 41:46the alleged rapes occurred on October 19th and
- 41:4920th of 2024, A few days before that, there was
- 41:53some serious drug activity that occurred at the
- 41:56frat house. You would think that connection of
- 41:59that issue with these allegations about her being
- 42:02given ketamine would really put a nice tight
- 42:06nail in a coffin for a criminal charge about
- 42:09selling drugs. In New York, when you hand drugs
- 42:12to somebody, that constitutes a gift or a sale,
- 42:15so it falls under the penal law there as a crime.
- 42:20selling a controlled substance. Now, when we
- 42:24get to the first degree rape charge, Van Hatton's
- 42:28press release sets us up for a straw man type
- 42:32of argument, explains that because she was voluntarily
- 42:37doing drugs and alcohol, that they can't charge
- 42:42them with rape. But that's not accurate in terms
- 42:46of the law there. Van Houten's trying to force
- 42:49your attention and my attention, our attention.
- 42:53He's trying to force us to look very narrowly
- 42:57at the statutes that just one of the ways of
- 42:59proving lack of consent in the first degree rape
- 43:03case. And one of those methods, and there's many
- 43:06methods to prove lack of consent. One of those
- 43:08methods is if the victim was basically poisoned
- 43:12with narcotics. or an intoxicating substance
- 43:16and was temporarily incapacitated because of
- 43:19that event. And they falsely claim, oh, well,
- 43:22there's nothing we can do about it because she
- 43:24was voluntarily intoxicated. Well, that's true
- 43:27under that form of lack of consent. Yeah, not
- 43:30going to get there. But regardless, you can still
- 43:32prove lack of consent by saying she was physically
- 43:35helpless, that she was unconscious at a certain
- 43:38time when they were having sex with her. And
- 43:41physically helpless isn't just limited to the
- 43:43situation where somebody is unconscious. It could
- 43:45also be proven by showing any other reason that
- 43:48she was physically unable to communicate an unwillingness
- 43:52to this act or these acts. But here's a clip
- 43:57of District Attorney Van Houten on CNN's Jake
- 44:02Tapper. And take a listen to what he's saying
- 44:04about proving lack of consent by physical helplessness.
- 44:09He's totally... misstating the law here. Take
- 44:12a listen. Consent or lack of consent is very
- 44:17much very specific under New York state law.
- 44:20You either have to be physically compelled or
- 44:25forcible compulsion, physical force, or you have
- 44:28to be physically helpless, which is unconscious.
- 44:32That's only partially true. Okay, listen to this.
- 44:36He's totally omitting from the statute. The other
- 44:40way that you can prove physically helpless, I'll
- 44:43read the statute to you. It's New York Penal
- 44:45Law Section 130 .00, Subdivision B -7. Physically
- 44:55helpless means that a person is unconscious or,
- 44:59hear that, or for any other reason is physically
- 45:05unable to communicate unwillingness to enact.
- 45:10You've got a district attorney misstating the
- 45:13law by omitting it. He only wants you to think
- 45:16that physically helpless means the person was
- 45:19unconscious. He doesn't want you to know that
- 45:22it can also be proven by showing that for any
- 45:25other reason, Jane Doe was physically unable
- 45:28to communicate unwillingness to enact. So listen
- 45:33to him again here on that clip. In context, Van
- 45:36Hatton on CNN's Jake Tapper. physically helpless
- 45:40which is unconscious or you have to be mentally
- 45:43incapacitated which is having been given drugs
- 45:48without your knowledge that rendered you incapable
- 45:50of consenting none of those things were articulated
- 45:53in her initial statement remember when i said
- 45:57in his press release he left out that she said
- 46:00in the police statement that quote i was pretty
- 46:05much incapacitated well that That quote, that
- 46:09fits pretty nicely into her being physically
- 46:14helpless, which would prove lack of consent.
- 46:17Now, let me read for you from Van Houten's September
- 46:2428th press release, year 2026. He describes what
- 46:29physical helplessness means there as well. So
- 46:40he's giving it the full definition, unlike what
- 46:43he did when he was talking on CNN. But listen
- 46:45to this. He writes, So he says that, but he doesn't
- 46:56say whether or not she was physically unable
- 47:00to communicate the unwillingness. of the act.
- 47:04He doesn't talk about that option at all. So
- 47:07he leaves it out completely. He doesn't even
- 47:10raise that subject whatsoever on Jake Tapper's
- 47:14show. And in his press release, he doesn't rule
- 47:18out the possibility that she was physically unable
- 47:21to communicate unwillingness to act. He just
- 47:24doesn't discuss it. So that's just kind of hanging
- 47:28open right there. And what I'm saying is this
- 47:31looks particularly bad for Van Houten, who in
- 47:34the press release cherry -picks the facts that
- 47:36he wants you to know. He plucks whatever he wants
- 47:39from Jane Doe's statement from two years prior
- 47:42that was written by the police and signed by
- 47:44her. He cherry -picks from it, and he doesn't
- 47:48tell you that in that statement she said that
- 47:51she was pretty much incapacitated. He doesn't
- 47:54go into that. And when you couple that with him
- 47:58omitting as well, this other possibility for
- 48:01lack of consent, that if the prosecutor could
- 48:04show she was physically unable to communicate
- 48:06unwillingness to the sexual acts that had occurred,
- 48:10well, you'd have rape right there. But he doesn't
- 48:13want to go down that line or talk about that.
- 48:14And this is where everything began spiraling
- 48:17out of control with the media, where they're
- 48:20feeding into this idea that there's a loophole.
- 48:24If she was voluntarily intoxicated, CNN said,
- 48:27quote, that it's nearly impossible, end quote,
- 48:30to prove rape when the victim, in New York anyway,
- 48:34is voluntarily intoxicated. So the district attorney
- 48:38there, he's also pushing you into that box, into
- 48:41that straw man argument. Look, I can't do anything.
- 48:44She was voluntarily intoxicated. It's not our
- 48:46fault. It's just the law, man. My hands are tied.
- 48:50We feel for her. It's a terrible thing that happened
- 48:52to her. But what she alleged, there's no crime.
- 48:55Bullshit. So he continues. using that as some
- 48:58type of excuse or justification of why they screwed
- 49:01up. So here on CNN's Jake Tapper, he continues
- 49:04to just keep walking in dog shit. This is Van
- 49:07Hatton continuing to talk about it. My job under
- 49:10the New York State Constitution is to apply the
- 49:13penal law of New York State. We are constrained
- 49:15by that law. Whether you agree with it, whether
- 49:18you think someone's conduct is morally repugnant
- 49:21or vulgar or disgusting, I'm still constrained
- 49:24by the law. Total bullshit. That's an interesting
- 49:28standard, being constrained by the law while
- 49:31omitting the law. Constraint by omission. That
- 49:35is a very unusual circumstance. Cover your ass.
- 49:39I get it. When a victim is physically helpless,
- 49:42it doesn't matter how she became that way. It
- 49:45doesn't matter if she was voluntarily drunk or
- 49:47doing drugs. Prosecutors could prove that these
- 49:50guys forced themselves on her. And there's many
- 49:53other methods here that... could be used to prove
- 49:56this. And that's just first degree rape. There's
- 49:59also second degree rape and third degree rape.
- 50:01In third degree rape, the prosecutor has a wider
- 50:05field of options in terms of proving lack of
- 50:07consent. You can talk about other types of circumstances
- 50:10that aren't even defined by law. So the fact
- 50:13that Van Houten's hiding under this concept of
- 50:16we can't prove that she was poisoned with alcohol,
- 50:19therefore there's no case, that is absolutely
- 50:21not true. That's not what defines rape. The previous
- 50:26episode I did talks a lot more about that, so
- 50:28I'm not going to go into that any further. This
- 50:31whole idea of she doesn't have a case because
- 50:33she was voluntarily intoxicated, that's not true.
- 50:37So if you want to know more about that, listen
- 50:38to the previous episode. I think it's episode
- 50:40four, right? Titled The Loophole Myth. I call
- 50:44it The Loophole Myth because you have a lot of
- 50:47media out there, such as CNN and advocacy groups,
- 50:52claiming that there's some type of loophole.
- 50:54that if you're voluntarily intoxicated, you have
- 50:57pretty much no chances of any recourse against
- 51:02the perpetrator of rape. It's totally not true.
- 51:06Besides, there's many other crimes. If Van Hatton's
- 51:09struggling with charging rape, there's plenty
- 51:12of other sex crimes that could be charged that
- 51:15have even less requirements in terms of proving
- 51:18lack of consent. In sex trafficking, you don't
- 51:21even have to prove lack of consent. The bottom
- 51:24line is this statement that was drafted by cops,
- 51:27signed by Jane Doe, shows to me several things
- 51:31that if I was a grand juror, I would say, yeah,
- 51:35there's a reasonable cause to indict somebody
- 51:38here. But the grand jury in a scenario like this
- 51:41wouldn't be limited to what she wrote on. this
- 51:45statement. Plus, the better idea is to have her
- 51:48actually testify to these things in front of
- 51:50the grand jury and get witnesses, get the Snapchat
- 51:53conversations, get other evidence together, try
- 51:56to get this going, do something about it. It's
- 51:59tough to know at this point whether there's something
- 52:02larger at play here, some external force or factor
- 52:06that we just don't know about that's touching
- 52:09the Cornell University Police Department, perhaps
- 52:12even the district attorney's office there. Tompkins
- 52:15County, New York. But it certainly opens the
- 52:19issue. You've got all the dangerous factors at
- 52:22play for potential corruption. And I'm not saying
- 52:25this corruption. I mean, stuff falls through
- 52:27the cracks all the time at government agencies
- 52:30and police departments. They don't have some
- 52:32affirmative obligation to do anything about any
- 52:36crime, period. They're not required to do anything.
- 52:40District attorney's offices. throughout the United
- 52:42States are overwhelmed with cases. It's quite
- 52:46possible this just slipped through the cracks.
- 52:48But on the flip side, you've got a bunch of wealthy
- 52:52guys, well, at least parents that are wealthy
- 52:54in a frat at an Ivy League school. Their parents
- 52:57presumably have some big connections, at least
- 53:01one or two of these guys. And it's not impossible
- 53:05to get through to law enforcement or to get through.
- 53:12to the district attorney's office and make things
- 53:16go away before a charge is filed. I'm not saying
- 53:20that's what happened, but they certainly botched
- 53:23things at the police department and the district
- 53:25attorney's office also dropped the ball at minimum.
- 53:29The question is, was it intentional? Does it
- 53:32look like you intentionally dropped the ball
- 53:34when you go out two years later, put out a self
- 53:39-serving press release, rationalizing? everything,
- 53:42cherry picking the victim's statement, releasing
- 53:45portions of the victim's statement to cover your
- 53:49own ass, to say, look, there was no crime here.
- 53:52What are the ethics in doing that, in releasing
- 53:56this statement to cover your own ass? Why didn't
- 54:01District Attorney Van Houten release the Snapchat
- 54:04video? Why didn't he release Jane Doe's entire
- 54:08six -page statement with the handwritten notes?
- 54:11Why does he have to say anything at all? It just
- 54:14has caused a lot of confusion out there. It's
- 54:17giving a lot more fuel to the fire started by
- 54:20all the Jane Doe haters out there in the brosphere.
- 54:23The dudes who just love to defend other dudes
- 54:28that need ketamine to get laid. So I'll leave
- 54:33you with that. Just consider if you're on the
- 54:37side of the Jane Doe haters and you're defending...
- 54:41the Cornell 7. Think about it. These are guys
- 54:45using ketamine to have sex with women, with their
- 54:51colleagues, 20 -year -old classmate. They want
- 54:55sex with a 20 -year -old who cannot move while
- 54:59they're having sex with her. It's Bill Cosby
- 55:03territory, just as reprehensible. And if you
- 55:07don't think that, then you probably... Don't
- 55:10know what ketamine does. We'll see where this
- 55:15one goes in the future. Pretty optimistic for
- 55:18Jane Doe. I think there's a lot of other damaging
- 55:22evidence to come out. A lot of other witnesses
- 55:25who have things to say. Luckily, the governor
- 55:29of New York has removed the district attorney's
- 55:33office from the case and has set up a special
- 55:36counsel through Letitia James. I think we're
- 55:40going to be seeing indictments, but the special
- 55:43prosecutor has a lot to sort out now. A lot of
- 55:48time has gone by. There's been the Title IX investigation,
- 55:52lots of witnesses and statements there. A lot
- 55:55of things need to be reviewed before they can
- 55:57get this case ready for a grand jury. I'm grateful
- 56:02for your time and that you listened all the way
- 56:04to the end. It means a lot to me to be getting
- 56:07a lot more support out there on social media.
- 56:10to continue building because things are going
- 56:12in a positive direction for once. So that's a
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