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#93 | Creon Martin on North Side Manor, Prison, and Real Talk with Man Look Talk Show · Corpus Christi Originals Podcast

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: What's going on, y'all?
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh Corpus Christians back at again.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Asussi Ladio.
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  SPEAKER_00: Today we got uh Creon Martin, rapper, entrepreneur, and host of the Man Look Talk Show.
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  SPEAKER_00: What's going on?
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  SPEAKER_02: What's up?
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  SPEAKER_02: What's up?
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh part of the Ride and High Podcast Network as well.
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  SPEAKER_00: From the North Side Manor to Building Wave God Supreme and creating a podcast that dives into real talk, community issues, relationships, and culture.
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  SPEAKER_00: Creon has a story full of hustle, insight, and life lessons.
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  SPEAKER_00: In this episode, we'll explore his roots, music, street life, uh, entrepreneurship, podcasting, and the wisdom he shares on his show.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh before I dive in, let's get if I want to give a quick shout out to Premier Hearing Solutions of South Texas.
• 0:38
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• 0:52
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  SPEAKER_00: Thanks a lot.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_00: What's going on, Trion?
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_02: Hey man, another day.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_02: You know, once you wake up, you're blessed, man.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_02: You know you're blessed.
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  SPEAKER_02: So anything after that is on you.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I'm good, man.
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  SPEAKER_00: Awesome, awesome.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I stumbled across you through the Ride and High podcast, and I heard some of you saying some stuff on there.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, damn, this dude's got some wisdom.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then just uh recently hearing about Hillcrest and uh all the bridge and all that stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've been wanting to get some people on here that are from that area, you know what I mean?
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I want to quit uh real quick pay homage to uh DJ King who did an interview with you and uh Scoobdose also he did an interview with you.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_00: But before the mic, there was a neighborhood, Northside Manor, uh that shaped the man we know today.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, oh yeah, most definitely.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so let's start at the beginning.
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  SPEAKER_00: Your neighborhood, your family, and the community that shaped who you are growing up in Northside Manor gave you experiences and lessons that influenced everything from your music to your outlook on life.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, sir.
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  SPEAKER_00: What was it like growing up in Northside Manor versus Hillcrest or the West Side?
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, uh growing up in Northside Manor, well, first I'll I'll give you a little in-depth about myself.
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  SPEAKER_02: Um I was a I was actually adopted when I was two years old.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um and uh people who adopted me, they were pretty much old enough to be my grandparents, you know.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_02: Like the father who adopted me, he was born in like 1913.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_02: So and the mother was like maybe 1926 or 1924, somewhere around there.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_02: So my upbringing was kind of different than my my peers, you know what I'm saying?
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_02: Because uh for the most part, when I when I was being talked to when when when my pops would talk to me about things, you know, and my life experiences, they were coming from a time where really of Jim Crow, it was coming from a time of uh people not having rights and things of that nature.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_02: So I knew it I knew at a very at a very early age the struggle, you know what I'm saying?
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_02: Uh love for community, you know what I'm saying, love for the love of your neighbor and things like that nature.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I didn't have no, I had siblings, biological siblings, but I didn't know all of them at the time.
• 3:14
  SPEAKER_02: So pretty much everybody that I came through, you know, the guy, the kids that I was growing up with, like the James Newtons, the the Marcus Davis, the Clifton Davis, the Marvin Millers, Chris Millers, the the Warren and Ernie Holtz, the the Butlers, the Calvin Miller, uh shoot Byron Green, uh William Griffin, all these dudes, and it's it's a it's a whole bunch of names.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_02: If I forget somebody, man, forgive me like Sidney Jackson, all these different brothers, man, that they were like my brothers.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_02: Just growing up.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_02: Because when you're when you're young at that age, man, like, you know, kids get into fights, but you know, we're in our community, man, you talk it you're taught when one fight, you all fight.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_02: So you get into a fight with somebody, you might have to fight their brothers.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
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  SPEAKER_02: So it taught us at an early age, you know, like how to stick together, to be together, to, you know, things like that.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_02: And when I was growing up, man, it's so different now.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like, just say I'm outside and about, you know what I'm saying?
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_02: My parents will let me outside.
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  SPEAKER_02: I can go run with my buddies or something like that.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_02: If I'm doing something I ain't got no business doing, and my neighbor seen me doing something I ain't got no business doing, they were allowed to whoop me, man.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, crazy.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
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  SPEAKER_02: Walk me to my house and let my parents know what I was doing, and then I got another whooping.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_02: So, or you know, like today, you don't even know who your neighbor is, man.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_02: Say, you know, especially when you stay in an apartment complex, people kind of tend to stick to themselves.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_02: When we were growing up, man, you knew who your neighbor was all through the community, man.
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  SPEAKER_02: They, my mama, like, go to Miss Williams' house and uh ask for a cup of sugar.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_02: Or go to Miss Such and Such house and get a cup of flour for me.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_02: They were real, these people were like real active in our lives.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_02: The older guys in our hood were really like our uncles for real, our big cousins or our big brothers.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't like how the youth is today.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_02: Like, if I try to stop and tell a youth, you know what I'm saying, a young brother, like, say, man, you shouldn't be doing that.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_02: Man, there's a possibility that I can get disrespected, might end up in a fight, or I could possibly get shot because of the way their mind state is today.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_02: Back then, you know, we respected our elders, man.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_02: Like, like for real, like we might not have, how can I say, listened to everything they said, but later on down the line in life, what they said comes back around to you, so you remember it, man.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: What's going on, Francesca?
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_00: That's my my daughter on YouTube.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_00: Blake, thanks for watching, man.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_00: You meant there's a lot of stuff in there.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_00: I like the last names that you mentioned, bro.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like, because I'm used to hearing nothing but Hispanic last names, kind of where I grew up.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_00: But all them last names, uh Miller and what are those other ones, it's it's amazing that those families were were in this town.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember you talking in uh talking to DJ King in one of the one of your interviews, is that uh it's like one of those things where you you better act, um not you better, but you should act right so that way your name doesn't isn't tarnished or something like that.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_02: Most definitely.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_00: I thought that was interesting.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: And then man, just like even if you try to tell tell kids somebody and their parents right there, like the parents will get mad at you for kind of seeing it's new wave, man.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_02: It it's new wave, and and a lot of that comes from uh a lot of that I believe comes from uh the elders dying off, you know what I'm saying, and uh a lot of young parents, you know what I'm saying?
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_02: Like my partner's grandmothers, when we were young, they were in their 60s, you know what I'm saying, early 70s.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_02: Today you can get a you can have a grandparent at your at the end of your 30s, your late 30s, early 40s, you know what I'm saying?
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_02: They're still in the mind of going out and things like that.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_02: They ain't into watching kids as much as like our parents, like like in our community growing up, man, it wasn't no babysitters, bro.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't no babysitters.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_02: You going to grandmother's house or you're going to a relative's house, you know what I'm saying?
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  SPEAKER_02: Or you're going or your or your friend's mother's, your friend, not even your your parents' friend, but your mother, your friend's mother.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_02: You wouldn't stay at a friend's mother's house or something like that, or the friend's house, you know what I'm saying?
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_02: So you always had that indoctrination of being aware, watch how you act.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_02: You're not gonna embarrass me, you know what I'm saying?
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_02: Like, your last name, man, your last name carries weight, man, according to how you act.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_02: Your kids gonna either be pointed at into like, if it's like, just say for instance, you know, I I had made some mistakes in life to where I had to leave, right?
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_02: And uh, but my character and the way I I handled myself as my kids would get got older, they were like, say, man, that's crayon them kids, man.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_02: That's crayon.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_02: Them, them, them a Martin boys, you know what I'm saying?
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_02: They good, you know what I'm saying.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_02: They're gonna be they're all right, you know what I'm saying?
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_02: When they would venture over here or venture over there, they they off off of who I was, they were able to move freely and respectfully, you know what I'm saying?
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_02: So you you got to you got to uh uh really conduct yourself in the manner of a man.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_02: I've always felt that like you gotta conduct yourself in the manner of a man.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_00: So what it yeah, that's interesting.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_00: I like that.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's like what is that, what is a man?
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_00: And then it makes me think about like how many uh I mean how many families were actually still married through that time because now there's a lot of divorce, and my parents are divorced, you know what I mean?
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_00: So how much of that has an effect on our community as well.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, most of the time.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, that's interesting.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_00: So you so uh how did friendships and community shape I guess your mindset and your and your hustle with with friendship it showed me how to be loyal, man.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_02: Even when you hurt me.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_02: Even that kind of hurt me saying that.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_02: Even when you hurt me, you know what I'm saying?
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  SPEAKER_02: It showed me how to stay loyal.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_02: Even when we got into disagreements, it showed me how to stay loyal.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_02: To F like like today on social media, two friends fall out, they throw all their business about each other on the internet.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like with me, whatever you tell me, it don't go no farther than that, man.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_02: It stays right there.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_02: I will never put you in a position to where people judge you, you know what I'm saying, off of my experiences with you.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_02: I'll let y'all interactions be their judgment.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_02: It'll never be off of me.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_02: It uh just community alone show me the value of having uh close-knit friends.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_02: Community, community allow me not to be stingy with people and to be um, and how how can I say uh to be to communicate with people, man, and to listen to people before even trying to judge somebody, man.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_02: Because I'm I'm really uh uh the type of person that's really easy to get along with.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_02: I'm the type of person that you can literally come and talk to without it going nowhere.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_02: Like I'm I'm a thanking man, bro.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I'm I'm really a thanking man.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_02: So if you come to me with an issue, the whole time you're talking to me, man, my mind is on solutions to help you out.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not I'm not just uh listening, even though I'm listening to listen just so you have a place to vent, but I'm also thinking what I can do to help you or what kind of uh solution I can give you.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_02: And community taught me that because when I was growing up, whoever had an issue at that time, bid if it was like say somebody was short on the rent, you know what I'm saying?
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_02: They used to have like rent parties, man.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_02: Right, you know what I'm saying, for like single mothers and stuff like that.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_02: They would have little rent parties.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_02: People come on, like the older people that come on, put the kids over here, they're gonna be over here, we're gonna come over here in the in the in the party, we're gonna have a party, we're gonna eat everybody like pot luck, body bring food and stuff, three dollars at the door, something like that.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_02: And when the party's over, they would give that money to that woman, you know what I'm saying, so she can pay her rent.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_02: Because going back to what you said, we had a lot of people in our community that were uh single mothers, but it's because they allowed to men to discipline them because all the mothers will tell you, all the older heads in our community, if you see my son acting up, bust his ass.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_02: Don't let my son do this, don't let my son do that.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_02: So when they caught us doing something that we weren't doing, we were admonished for that and then taken back home.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_02: You know, a lot of my friends didn't have fathers in their home, and their mothers became my mothers.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_02: But I grew up with my dad.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_02: My mother, the family that adopted me.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_02: That at that time my mother had passed away when she was like when I was like nine.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_02: So it was just me and my dad.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_02: So people had my dad, my friends had my dad as their dad.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I'm saying?
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, man, that's huge, dude.
• 12:26
  SPEAKER_00: Just having a a male figure to help raise you, I think is huge.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yes.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_02: Do you think that I mean what's it?
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, bro.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_02: It's it most most definitely, man.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_02: I don't I don't care what nobody says, and I've always said this, and I've been saying this for years.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_02: You know, if you're a single mother, because I'm a statistic man too.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_02: I'm a numbers man, I'm a statistic man.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna go, when somebody says something, man, I'm gonna go look it up.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_02: And uh when you're a single mother, man, when that if you know you have a boy child, if that child, when that boy gets about nine or ten, you need to send them off with his father, man.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_02: If y'all are if y'all are in separate homes, send them off, let send them off to you, like your dad, like the dad get him on the weekends, you can get him on the weekends.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_02: He needs to grow up with his dad.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_02: And and and and and and I'm not just I don't like admonish women in uh this particular position.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_02: I also admonish the men too.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_02: Like, bro, you need to go get your son.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_02: Because statistics show uh a single father household is like that of a two-parent household, if not better.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, you know what I'm saying?
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_02: And she can only do so much as raising him.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_02: When it comes to him being a man, that's on you.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_02: Because when that young boy stays in that that house with that woman, I'm not saying he he picks up feminine traits, he picks up feminine characteristics.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_02: You know, women are quick to argue with each other, you know what I'm saying, to go back and forth where men are taught, at least I was, find a solution first, come to an understanding.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_02: Because I always felt like there's nothing that two men can't talk about before it gets physical or out of hand.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_02: So I and I would see this in my community, whether whether guys would have situations, they talked it out first, you know what I'm saying?
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_02: And if they couldn't come to no understanding, then they would have a problem.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_02: But for the most part, the women will be yelling back and forth with each other before you know what they're fighting.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_02: So the the the young boy in this house, oh, he picked up these characteristics of not being able to uh to find a solution.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_02: He's he's more of a he's more of aggressive.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_02: And if you pay attention to what's going on, that's what we got out here in these streets today, man.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_02: Young boys who are not thinking men, they they they think with their fists and their guns first instead of with their mouth and with their mind, you know.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_02: And uh we lose a lot of life to that.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_02: Do I blame it on the women?
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_02: No, I don't blame it on the women.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_02: Do I blame it on men?
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_02: No, I don't I don't blame it on men.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_02: I blame it on the situation.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_02: The situation is you did you should send your son to your father, you know what I'm saying?
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_02: And statistics show.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_02: I'm and I'm and I I try to I tell brothers this all the time.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know when you're raising your son, your life gets better, man?
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_02: Whatever you're going through, your life gets better.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to hear nothing about uh um uh well who's gonna be a babysitter, I gotta find it.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_02: She she was doing the same thing.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_02: She was doing the same thing when he was in when she was with him.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_02: Now it's your turn, bro.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_02: You got to raise him to be a man out here.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, for sure.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I definitely think that.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm I'm I'm married.
• 15:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um some people aren't married.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, that's good.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_00: My my thing is like, I think marriage is the next level.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_00: You know, because you're single for so long, then marriage is next.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_00: Having kids is a just a step, another level above that.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: It it's it's a level of maturity that you have when you have a kid, it's totally different when you're willing to take the responsibility, you know what I mean?
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you're not willing to take the responsibility, then you're not gonna be in your kid's life, your kid's gonna grow a certain way, you know.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: Whatever.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_00: So you talk a lot about you talk about that.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: I like that you talk about that stuff, man.
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's uh it's very interesting.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_00: I wanted to call you the Charleston White of Corpus Christi.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_02: Say it's crazy because that's what that's what Fat Man, the boss, you know, he got his podcast too.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_02: That's what he calls me, the Charleston White of Corpus Christi.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_02: And just going off of what you're saying, I don't believe a man cannot be his greatest self without a woman, man.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_02: You know, because you limit your responsibility as a man without a woman.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_02: You she's gonna help you reach your potential, man.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_02: She's gonna, she's gonna, she's gonna, because you're gonna go, you're gonna have every emotion, emotion that you could possibly have when you're dealing with a woman, man.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_02: And that's gonna help shape you.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's gonna like even even including my even for myself, man.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I just through the experiences, I know that I'm always at my lowest when I'm by myself.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_02: When I was at my highest, it's because I had a woman in my corner, not only pushing me, but keeping me out the way.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_02: Seeing the things that I don't see.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_02: So I always felt like a man would never reach his full potential unless he has a woman in his life, man.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: Definitely.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_00: I learned a lot being married.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: I'm married like 10 plus years, and I didn't know how to communicate when I first got married.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I came a long way from that.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's hit you're right.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_00: I believe that, man.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like, it's just the next level when you when you want to take that next step.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: And then like the I guess the trouble is like finding a woman that will stick with you forever, or you know, till you die, basically.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: Because it seems like uh like our old old like grandparents or even great-grandparents were together, you know, till the till they died, basically, you know what I mean.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_00: But then there's all these like maybe the maybe the the woman that stayed home, maybe she didn't have any options to leave, and there's all these other arguments that you can have come in there, you know what I mean.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: But nowadays it's it's very uh you have to have a lot of discipline and you have to have want to do it to be able to stay with somebody.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: Both of y'all have to have and it's hard nowadays, you know what I mean?
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: Because you can just leave at the drop of a hat.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: You got all these incentives.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: And you know what I mean?
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: Especially, especially one thing about marriage, and we just gotta be honest, man.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like when when the when the when divorce comes outside of the kid, you know, the man loses the most, man.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you could take his house, you could take his properties, you could take, you could take everything that you didn't work for.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_02: And that's one reason why it's hard for men to get married today.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_02: There's there's a whole lot of lot of reasons.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_02: There's a whole lot of reasons, but that's one of the reasons why.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, with social media and all this, especially for these youngsters, you know what I'm saying?
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_02: 25, you know, 20 something to like about 35, you know, what's being portrayed with women, you know what I'm saying, being like the gold digger type and stuff like that, or you know, because women, women cause like 80% of divorces, you know what I'm saying?
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_02: They're the ones who file 80 per six, 86% of divorces, man.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, you could be with me, I could be on my best stuff or stuff like that, and one day you could just say, I'm bored with him.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_02: And and and get the and get divorced, and not only divorce me, but take everything that I got.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_02: But our parent, our grant say our grandparents, one thing that I think that why they stayed together so long is because of the times, man.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_02: Like your grandparents and my grandparents, they couldn't vote at one time.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, wow.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_02: It was it was it was the way society was.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_02: So we we had to stick together, man, to make this thing work.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_02: Whereas we have so much freedom to do so many things, and then with the quote-unquote quote unquote the feminist movement, you know what I'm saying?
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: Which to me, the feminist movement and and uh like the the welfare things of that nature like that breaks a lot of the household because if if if if if the government is willing to give a woman, you know, if she gets a project, say she gets she she moves into housing, you know, they'll they'll give her food stamps, they'll give her a little uh a little money, and they'll give her$12,$13 rent,$27 rent, just to keep the dad out of the house, man.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_02: You don't want to, you know, you don't want to build, nobody wants to start like grandma and grandpa did from the bottom.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_02: Oh you know what I'm saying?
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_02: Nobody wants to start like that from the bottom and build up.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_02: We want right now gratification, you know what I'm saying?
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_02: If I can't get no man that has this and has that, you know what I'm saying?
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_02: I don't I don't want him, you know what I'm saying?
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_02: Well, shoot, man.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_02: What are you doing for yourself that puts you in a situation for him to grab you?
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_02: Because a lot of men don't want to stay in housing forever, you know what I'm saying?
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_02: But believe me, it's some that's that's due, they're cool with that, man.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_02: But situations should that keep you in uh things like that, I understand.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_02: But just when you have the natural ability to go out and do for yourself, if you're an able-bodied person, man, housing should just be like a stepping stone, which what a lot of our grandparents did that.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_02: They used housing for a stepping stone to get to the big house.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_02: They saved their money today.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_02: You they're not saving no money.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_02: As soon as they get it, they spend it.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_02: Nobody's building, man.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_02: So relationships end quick, you know what I'm saying?
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_02: The minute uh uh, you know, Cosmopolitan, it was Cosmopolitan magazine back in the day, you know what I'm saying?
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_02: And these were rich white women who were.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: In these magazines pushing the independent woman.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_02: But all the while they're telling you to be independent to go out and do this, go out there, you can go do this.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_02: But they're married, man.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_02: You're married, so you're influencing these other women to go and do these different types of things that's breaking up the household.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_02: Instead of pushing more family-oriented type of things.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_02: So it in that kind of area, man, I feel that like we suffer.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_02: Because, in all honesty, man, like, man, we see a woman, we don't care what she, we don't care if she has a job, we don't care if she's working, we don't care if she has a degree, we don't, we don't care if she knows she has a degree.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_02: None of that in real life, none of that stuff matters to us.
• 22:52
  SPEAKER_02: Are you gonna respect us and love us?
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_02: That's all we care about, man.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_02: But when it comes to us, man, we got they got a list of expectations that we have to meet, man.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_02: So, man, it it's uh our grandparents, man, they wanted to know, can you provide?
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_02: Our grandmothers, they wanted to know if grandpa could provide.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_02: That's how what could he provide?
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_02: And is he a good man?
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_02: Does he have a good name behind him?
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_02: Like, just take for instance, man.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_02: When I was growing up as a kid, you didn't know who the drug dealer was.
• 23:30
  unknown: Wow.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_02: Because it was it was shame, it was it was shamed in the community.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_02: You if your uncle, if your uncle, your cousin, or somebody went to your brother went to prison and you was a youngster, you be like, you ain't seen him in two or three weeks, be like, Where where my brother at?
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_02: Where my uncle at?
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, he's out of town working.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: Oh he can be gone for three years.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_02: Three years, bro.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_02: He's out of town working because his actions was shameful to the family.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_02: Nowadays, you look on social media, they showing all their money, they capping, they telling you what they do, they showing their packs and everything, man.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_02: So it's these these these type of things that we felt like were detrimental to the community.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_02: Now we look at it like, hey man, if you ain't doing this, you ain't doing nothing.
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_02: You know, facts like a badge of honor, man, you know, and and it's really not, man.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_02: It's really not y'all don't even like y'all don't even take y'all little money to get out the game to build something.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_02: Man, I done had friends who were in the game that eventually got businesses, you know, put their kids through colleges.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_02: They don't do the stuff no more, they use it as a stepping stone.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_02: Because poverty, we we I won't lie, poverty breeds a lot of stuff, man.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_02: Poverty breeds a lot of stuff, man.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_02: And one of the things that it breathed was was uh guys who sell drugs, you know what I'm saying, and things of that nature, man.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you feel that you feel the pressure.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_02: It's hard for like a lot of people to to see it, but you gotta be there.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_02: Say, for instance, man, um household of five, you know what I'm saying?
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_02: You nobody, dad's not around, there's no father, uh wherever he may be, household of five, that's that's kids, not the mother, or nothing like that.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_02: The mother's trying to do whatever she can.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_02: You're the oldest brother, there's nobody with no clothes, you know what I'm saying?
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_02: We're sharing clothes, there's barely food in the ice box.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_02: You don't even want to eat because you're taking out of your little brothers and sisters' mouth, man.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_02: So you know there's an alternative.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_02: You're not old enough to go get a job.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_02: So you see this alternative out here, you know what I'm saying?
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_02: So they take that chance to start feeding their family, man.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_02: So some of the guys that I've known who went that route, they didn't just become that.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_02: They just use it as a stepping stone to get out the way to accumulate enough money to even put themselves through trucking school or some type of trade school to where they can actually get them a good job to take care of their family because this is not really what they want to do, man.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's I'm thinking like I got like so.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: I got a family member that obviously had he told me that.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_00: I I asked him I said, Why'd you do this long ago?
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: Because he got busted, right?
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: And then uh he was able to not go to jail but just have parole for a long time and have his kids.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, why'd you do that in the first place?
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's like we were poor.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_00: That's how that's how you would make money, because they had like like like 13 siblings.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know what I mean, and uh lived here here near Agnes, you know, over here.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: And uh he's like basically what you're saying that poverty, I mean the money, you make money that way.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_00: You grow up not having money, of course.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_00: You want to figure out how to make money.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like I remember you talking about uh some of your some of your friends used to shine shoes.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know what I mean, stuff like that, like just to make make some some cash, you know.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm just like nowadays, I mean I don't I don't know nowadays.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: What's up, John Delano?
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: Shout out to Triple O G Daddy Creek.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's my boy right there, man.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like my like my little brother from another mother, man.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's got a podcast too, right?
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: I love that brother right there.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so like I'm nowadays, it makes me think like, do we have do we have to go that route nowadays to get to where we want to be?
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_00: Man, you know, it seems like it'll take a long time to get there.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_02: You know what, bro?
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_02: We don't, man.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_02: We don't.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_02: There's so there's so much opportunity out there right now, man.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_02: Like, all the young brother gotta do is just finish school, man.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_02: Just finish school, man.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_02: And get your get your trade.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_02: There's there's man, welding, plumbing, yeah, electrical,$100,000 a year.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: $100,000 a year.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_02: The era when I'm talking about, bro, like the Long Shoreman Hall used to be in our neighborhood, right?
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_02: And I had a white man, like I put the Long Shoreman Hall.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_02: Long Shoreman Hall.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_02: It used to be in our neighborhood.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_02: So anybody, you know, trying to get on a long shoreman, you had to literally on the block.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_02: It was on the block on the on what they call the cuts.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_02: It was right down the corner, on one of the corners on the cuts.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_02: You had to you had Hispanic people up in there, white people up in there, black people up in there, man.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_02: You trying to get on, you have to go through this hall.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_02: When they moved that hall, I don't know what happened, but when they moved that hall, and I think Long Shawman had closed down or something, something had happened, man.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not for sure.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_02: But everybody that was working there, man, all our uncles, all our big cousins, all our brothers and stuff like that, they were all jobless now, man.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_02: And all these people that you seen that he became jobless, these men and some women, bro, they either this is like right when crack hit, man.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_02: They were either smoking crack or eventually started selling crack.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_02: One one one person is trying to uh deal with uh with how can I say they're trying to deal with their anxiety or or or or things of that nature, and the other one is trying to put food on the table, man.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_02: So I watched how these how these things happen, man, in in our community over a period of time.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_02: So poverty will make a person do what they really don't want to do, man.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, that's crazy.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's awesome.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_00: That's good stuff, man.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, real quick, shout out to uh, I just want to mention some truckers out there that watch the podcast.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh they find me in the field and they're like, hey, I see your podcast.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: Uh appreciate you guys.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so we got Steve and Carlos over there at Enterprise.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for watching.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Avery, Javier Gonzalez, uh Flash, who else?
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_00: Uh uh Justin Flores, and then uh Pete Gonzalez of LDE.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: Appreciate you, man.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks a lot, you guys, for watching the show.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_00: And when I see you out there, when we're truck driving, making that money.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: Uh man, so yeah, what was we gonna talk about with Skip Skip that one?
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so your journey wasn't always smooth.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_00: You've experienced street life, rivalries, and prison.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_00: Uh these experiences tested you and ultimately shaped your perspective.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: Let's talk about the challenges, lessons, and how you try it transformed you through it all.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_00: So, what was the the turning point that made you step away from the streets?
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I I uh take you from like you know, the neighborhood to eventually getting into selling drugs and you know, prison and all that.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_02: When I was about four, like I always always rapped, you know what I'm saying?
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_02: When I first learned to rap, I always rap, right?
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_02: And uh we had we had a little group, me and my peers, right?
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_02: And uh I was explaining to you earlier while the podcast was off how like you know, when the north side and the west side, before we even start calling ourselves that we used to just call ourselves cross-town.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_02: They'd be like, double them crosstown boys, we'd be like double them cross-town boys, right?
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_02: We were we were rapping against some guys, right?
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: And uh Dabba Da, Jeff Smith, that's my brother too, and uh we was rapping against him and my other his his partner Winston, and uh Dabba Da screamed out West Side, and I screamed out North Side.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_02: So this is literally how these names came about when we started calling ourselves this.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_02: And this is like in 1984, man.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_02: 80s.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_02: This is like in 1984, man.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_02: 8485, somewhere around that era right there.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_02: 8485, right?
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_02: Well, um, we had a uh we had a buddy from New York, he was a Puerto Rican, he was a tagger, his name was Pedro, man.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_02: And uh by that time we was already like a little little clicker, clicker guys, man.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_02: And we hung around each other every day.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_02: We go from one apartment to the next apartment to the next part to the next apartment, and picking up everybody, and that's how we walked around.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_02: And uh Pedro had this shirt that said New York Bomb Squad on the back of it.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, you know what?
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we're gonna name ourselves Northside Bomb Squad, man.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_02: Cool.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_02: And uh we really was a rap group, bro.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_02: We really was just like a group of rappers.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_02: And but at the same time, if you mess with one of us, we'll we'll fight you.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_02: You might get it by the whole crew.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_02: I ain't gonna even say you might, you will.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_02: You're gonna have to fight everybody.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, wow.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_02: And that goes back from when I was telling you that in the neighborhood, if you fall one, bro, you got to fight all of them.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, ready and that that that showed community and loyalty.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_02: It wasn't, we were never out to be a gang.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_02: The news in the neighborhood made us that.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_02: Oh wow, you know what I'm saying?
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_02: Like they're a gang, they're a gang.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_02: And then eventually we started flying a flag.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_02: We we actually did, but we did that through like high school, you know what I'm saying?
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_02: And during high school, crack hat hit our neighborhood, you know what I'm saying?
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_02: So that's what poverty took us out of banging to be to sell the drugs, you know what I'm saying?
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_02: Because a lot of a lot of us, you know, that whole group, the all of us that were in SBS, man, for the most part, we all shared clothes, man.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_02: We shared shoes, we shared pants, shirts, you know.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_02: It's the only thing we didn't share were underwear and socks, man.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_02: Everything else we shared, food, we shared everything.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_02: We were like really some brothers, you know what I'm saying?
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_02: Because we come from nothing, man.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_02: Like we we didn't have much of nothing.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_02: So that that that right there like bonded us, man.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_02: And and and a lot of people don't know.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_02: It was a few Mexicans that was with us, you know what I'm saying?
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_02: Hispanics that was with us.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_02: Richard O'Yala had a partner named Jay, you know what I'm saying?
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_02: Partner named Frank Rodriguez, you know what I'm saying?
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_02: They would Richard was active with us, but like Jay and Frank, they were like outside type of dudes, you know what I'm saying?
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_02: Who when they ever see us around, they they with us, you know what I'm saying?
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_02: Things like that, you know.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_02: And um, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't jump into the game as quick as my friends did.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_02: Man, I had a I had my first child when I was 17.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_02: I was at I was I was a junior at Miller going into my senior year, you know what I'm saying?
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_02: So I tried to do the the right thing, you know what I'm saying?
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_02: Man, I I at one point I was up to working three jobs, man.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_02: But even even for that, but during that time I had more kids, you know what I'm saying?
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_02: And even then, man, it was kind of tough on me, right?
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_02: So after that, man, I remember asking, you know, taking my last 50 bucks that I had on me, man, and going to somebody for some drugs, bro.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_02: Like, man, um, can I get a 50 pack?
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_02: And that person was who's real, real close to me.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_02: I won't say her name, but she's real close to me.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't want to put her out there like that.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_02: She told me, no at first, right?
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, if you don't give it to me, I'm gonna go somewhere else and get it.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_02: And she gave me that 50 pack and she said, This is the last time I'm giving this to you.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: Don't ever come back.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_02: Even though this is what she was doing at the time, she don't ever don't ever come back.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_02: And that's how I kind of like started, man.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_02: And and and believe me, man, for me, it wasn't it wasn't something that I wanted to do for a long time, man.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_02: I just wanted to, I had a lot of kids, bro, at a very young age.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_02: And I just wanted to be able to provide, man.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_02: I'm working three jobs, I rarely get to see my family, I rally get to see my kids, and then after even paying all bills, paying child support here or over there, and I still couldn't like take my family nowhere.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_02: There was no movies, there was no little family trips, there was none of this type stuff.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_02: So that's that's kind of how I got into it.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_02: Well, eventually, man, I got into some trouble and I went to prison, right?
• 35:55
  SPEAKER_02: I did seven years and three months at the at the most important time of my children's life, man.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_02: Right when my boys are going, they're already teenagers.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_02: My youngest one at the time was was 10, 9.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_02: He was getting ready to turn 10.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_02: My my two oldest sons and my stepson, they were already teenagers and my daughter, you know what I'm saying?
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_02: So I left them at the most important time in their life, man.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_02: And when I came home, I was already a grandfather, you know what I'm saying?
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_02: And I wasn't even 40 yet.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_02: You feel what I'm saying?
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_02: And uh the when I went to prison, man, you know, one thing that I knew for a fact that I wasn't gonna come out the guy that went in, man.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_02: While like a lot of guys in prison, they was on the gang shit, and and uh, or or you know, the gambling or all the other extra stuff that comes with the prison life.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_02: I was educating myself, man.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_02: I was I was educating myself.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_02: I was already drawing drawing shoes, yeah, t-shirt concepts, pants concerts.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_02: I was drawing glasses, I was drawing all these things that I eventually became an entrepreneur in.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_02: I already had the vision.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I tell I tell people this all the time, man, who was in prison or uh pretty much who's in prison when I when I'm able to communicate with them.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, I say go hang around with the Muslims.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_02: Go hang around with the Muslims, bro.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_02: Go and hang with the Muslims.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_02: Why?
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_02: Because the Muslims are the outside of the library, those are the best teachers you're gonna get, bro.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_02: That's crazy when it comes to like knowing things, financial things, all that, because all these dudes do is study, man.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_02: They don't just read the Quran and and all that, that's not where their life stopped, man.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_02: You know, they they do the most studying in prison.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_02: We because I belong to a Muslim community here in Corpus Christi, we have this class called Talim, and it means to teach.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_02: So we had all these brothers from different backgrounds who owned business or did things like that.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_02: And so for these classes, we will hold like a uh a six-week uh business course.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_02: Bring your pencil and your paper, man.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_02: And they will lace all these brothers up with LLCs, uh, 50C3s, just give you all the information you know, man.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_02: And and brothers would literally get out of prison, bro.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_02: Write back four or five months later and tell us, hey man, I started my business, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_02: Nobody's ever telling you that in prison, man.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_02: Nobody's telling you that, but that community.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_02: They make they make room for these type of things, you know what I'm saying?
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_02: So if I knew that, like I said, when I knew when I went to prison, that I didn't want to come out the same person, man.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_02: I wanted, I wanted, I wanted to do clothes, I wanted to do something.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_02: I just didn't want to sell drugs, bro.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't want to go back.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_02: That the the prison part was the the the the physicality of prison is easy, bro.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_02: We can fight all day.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_02: You know, wake up the next day, we can fight again if you want to.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_02: It was the mental aspect that made me say, I'm never doing this again.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_02: No matter what I go through, I'll start from the bottom and I work my way up, man.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, you have guards in there, man, some fresh out of high school, you know what I'm saying, a couple of years out of high school.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_02: You're this guard is 20, 21 years old, man.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_02: You're in your 30s and 40s, and he's talking to you like he's the parent, man.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_02: If that don't humble you, bro, if that don't humble you, man, if though if those type of things don't make you change your mind, being told when to go to sleep, it's it's like, man, prison and school have similarities.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_02: Like the public school, man.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_02: A bell, uh, they let you know when you can eat, they let you know when you can sleep.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_02: You have to ask to go to the restroom, certain things like that.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_02: Door opens, you know, door shuts, you know what I'm saying?
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_02: There's no windows.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_02: Like the school, there's no windows to look outside, you know what I'm saying?
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_02: It's just it's just like that the confinement, man.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_02: I I I think I think all schools should have windows on them, bro.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_02: So people can see outside so they don't feel and count because sometimes I think it sets the the poverty stricken child up for that, man.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_02: But it it has so many similarities, man.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_02: But I got all the knowledge and everything that I can.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_02: And when I came home, you know, it took me a while to get there, but I eventually got there.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_00: So I guess it would it would have when you got out, what you would you say that it would it would have been easy for you to go back to where where what you were doing?
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_00: Because I I've talked to guys and heard guys say like, like as soon as you come out, you already know where it's at.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, oh yeah, because nothing changes.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_02: Just the people change, the age difference change.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_02: When I came home, the hustlers was younger.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_02: It uh I could have easily, man, you don't look, people don't forget you, bro.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_02: People don't forget who you are.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_02: I could have easily, you know what I'm saying, got back into the game, but I didn't want to go to prison.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_02: I I when I when I got home, man, my parole officer got me a job.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_02: You know, she sent me to the this uh Heldon Fields, and uh I went down there, filled out the application, they hired guys like me.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_02: I was making like eight dollars and something an hour, bro, and didn't care.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_02: I worked seven years for free.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, sure.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_02: I did seven years, I worked seven years for free.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_02: Wow being called nigger.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_02: Oh you know what I'm saying by some of the guards, you know what I'm saying?
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_02: Life being threatened, you know what I'm saying?
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_02: I know if I go work here, ain't nobody fits a threatening my life in there in there in there giving me some money to work, man.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_02: So I didn't care where I started, I knew where at in this place that I wanted to work, right?
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_02: So I worked my myself from the bottom as a laborer to the batch plant.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_02: I said, I want to be in the batch plant because that's where the AC at now we country, so I'll do whatever to get there.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_02: And and believe me, bro, when I got there, man, like a lot of the Mexican guys, man, they would tell me, bro, you're not gonna last, man.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, you're not gonna last.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, why y'all always telling me that, man?
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_02: And he was like, because none of y'all last down here.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, y'all y'all work for a while and then y'all quit, man.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_02: Y'all can't take the heat, y'all can't yada yada yada yada.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_02: And all that, me me being told all that, man, is what fueled me, man.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_02: Y'all got me bent, you know what I'm saying?
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_02: And you know what's crazy?
• 42:45
  SPEAKER_02: Even that, like, man, it was the immigrant, it was the immigrant on the job that helped me make the most money I could make, man.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_02: I had I had a partner named Durango from you know, that's not his real name, but we call him Durango because that's where he's from.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, you know what I'm saying?
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_02: I remember he watched me work, I was never trying to leave, man.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_02: When they were sending people home, I wasn't trying to leave.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I want to be there when the last person leaves.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_02: So Durango was like, say, man, uh you want to make some money?
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_02: Like, hell yeah, I want to make some money, man.
• 43:15
  SPEAKER_02: He said, stick with me.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_02: And I he look, man, he showed me how to drive, he showed me how to work a backhoe, front end loader, and all these different types of things.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_02: He showed me everything that I need to know to make the money that I wanted to make, man.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_02: This was my dude, man.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 43:29
  SPEAKER_02: We would kick it with each other when we go work out of town, we buy beer at the time when I was drinking stuff like that.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_02: We drank together and all that thing.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_02: So he helped he helped, you know, me get to a point where I can live comfortable, man.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_02: And I really appreciated that dude, man.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_02: So I just didn't want to go back to prison.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_02: Wasn't nothing out here that was worth going back to prison, man.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_02: There and to this day, there's nothing out here that's worth going back, man.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_00: So so it was like that, man.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_00: There's lots of so it was like the circumstances that you were in in prison that was like, I don't No, I don't like this at all.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_00: Why would I want to do this again?
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_02: Bro, man, I don't care what nobody says.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_02: Prison is the wackest place in the world, bro.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_02: It's the wackest place in the world.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_02: I don't, man, look, I'm not coming.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I ain't.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_02: Did I have some fun?
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_02: You gotta do something for your sanity.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_02: Did I have play chess and things like that?
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_02: You know, kicking with people, develop friendships.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, man.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, but when them doors slam at night, ask every inmate what he's thinking about.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_00: Damn.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_02: You're thinking about your goddamn family.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_02: When you're a father, you're thinking about your kids.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_02: When you got a lot of time, your kids growing up while you're out here, man.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_02: I watch my kids grow through grow up through photos, man.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_02: And then you got some brothers who don't get none of that.
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_02: They don't get none of that.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_02: So when I would get all my pictures, they come to my table.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_02: They come to where I'm sitting at just to see my pictures, just to see what outside look like, man, because they've been gone for so long.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I don't care what nobody say.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_02: I don't I don't brag about prison, man.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_02: I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't talk about, I don't even talk about the the good times that I did have, man.
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_02: I tell everybody, yeah, that's the wackest place in the world.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_02: I don't care what nobody says.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_02: Ain't ain't ain't ain't tough enough to say that hey, it, you know, you gotta be this and the other.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_02: No, you don't, bro.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_02: I dunno I don't I I don't watch how people get manipulated in there.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_02: I don't watch gang members screw each other over, you know what I'm saying?
• 45:19
  SPEAKER_02: There's there's no sense of loyalty in there.
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_02: I don't look, I remember, man, my brother-in-law came in there, right?
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_02: And I he had gained so much weight I didn't recognize him.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_02: His Hispanic dude.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't recognize him, right?
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_02: And one of my Muslim brothers who was Hispanic, he was like, say, he's like, say, Crion, there's a hey, there's a dude from Corpus here, man.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_02: He says he knows you, man.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, Bet, you know what I'm saying?
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_02: I wasn't really too much pen in no mind.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_02: So we go to breakfast that morning, and they're sitting at the neighbor the the table next to me, right?
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_02: And he said, Hey Crion, that's him right here.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_02: I say, What's up?
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_02: What's up?
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_02: We shake hands, and he look at me crazy.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, like, he's like, Man, you don't know who I am?
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, nah, he's like, fool, it's me, Raul.
• 46:03
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_02: I look, I'm like, boo, you're like a hundred pounds heavier, man.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_02: So the first thing I do that, that when you know, when I because I was working in the library at the time, first thing I do, I go to the major, I say, say, Major, man, my brother-in-law is here, man, on this unit, man.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, his name is yada yada.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to put his all his name out there, you know what I'm saying?
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_02: My brother-in-law is here, man.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_02: Could you shoot him over here to my wing, man?
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_02: So the major took care of that for me, shot him over there.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, like in prison, man, you know, blacks got to sit with the blacks, Mexicans got to sit with the Mexicans.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_02: Whites, you know, they sit with whites, man.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_02: Right, right, right.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, I'm over the Islamic community, right?
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_02: I got this little circle of mine, I got Crips, I got bloods, I got Muslims, I got this Asian brother, and then I got Raul over here.
• 46:56
  SPEAKER_02: We're all eating together.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_02: And if it's any problem, man, it's gonna be smoke.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_02: So I was never playing by penitentiary rules.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_02: I was gonna come here to and live my life the way and do this time the way I wanted to.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_02: I wasn't gonna let prison rules dictate how I function around here.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_02: Now, of course, some things, you know, you probably like, I'm not, I'm not walking through looking up in a man's cell, ain't no telling what they got on.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_02: That's not my business, you know what I'm saying?
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_02: Things of that nature.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_02: But you telling me who I can feed, you telling me who I can eat with, or who I can talk to, and these type of things, it's not gonna work with me, man.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_02: You're just gonna have to beat me up every day, you know.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_02: So that's how that's how my little circle of friends worked, man.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_02: We wasn't, or you're a human being, or you're a good person.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you can come over here and kick it with us, you know what I'm saying?
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_02: Like that.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_02: We wasn't, we wasn't, we wasn't on that.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and you know, because his people, because he belonged to a family, when this people found out, like, now that's his brother-in-law over there, man.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_02: We got pictures.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_02: We showing the pictures of like, nah, we, you see, us in the world together because I had friends, you know, that was there, yeah, that didn't believe me, man.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_02: Like, how do you know this Mexican dude?
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, man, this is my brother-in-law.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_02: Nah, y'all, y'all, y'all just from corpus.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_02: He's not, y'all ain't like that, bro.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_02: Pull out all the pictures.
• 48:16
  SPEAKER_02: Look, man, you know what I'm saying?
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_02: This is this is my wife, this is his ex-wife, yada, yada, I bring down these are my nephews, these are his kids, you know what I'm saying?
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_02: Like, like like that, bro.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_02: So they oh oh, okay, okay.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_02: So y'all ain't playing, you know what I'm saying?
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_02: And and it was it was known, like, look, man, because he's not a troublemaker, so don't start no trouble with him, bro.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_02: And and and for the time that he was there, he had it smooth selling, you know what I'm saying.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not saying because of me, but I'm just saying because of the character I displayed, the person who I I was, man, he he he could do his time the way he wanted to do it.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_02: Even his family wasn't on him about being around blacks, you know what I'm saying?
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_02: So it was, it was it was alright, but still at the end of the day, prison is whack.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_02: It's the worst place you can be.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_02: Your your kids, your kids grew up without you.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_02: You man, one of one of the things that hurt me the most is that people were dying on me, man.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and I wasn't able, there was no way I could attend the funerals.
• 49:16
  SPEAKER_02: And these were people who loved me sincerely, man.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_02: That was a the brothers don't tell you about the times that they in their cell crying, man.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_02: Breaking down because of certain situations.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_02: Brothers don't tell you how like on just every now and again, out of nowhere, man, this shit get to you and you just start crying, man.
• 49:35
  SPEAKER_02: Like you you feel you you're about to lose it, but you gotta hold on because you got something to get back to.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_02: So I I I I recommend anybody avoid that as much as possible.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_02: Man, go get a job, go get two if you have to, man.
• 49:51
  SPEAKER_02: Life is real good out here, right?
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_02: I don't care how hard you think it is or how it's sometimes life suck.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_02: Believe me, it's a lot better out here than inside of there, man.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, man.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_00: Uh so I uh speaking of I was talking uh, I was listening to your interview also.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_00: They were talking about your leg and stuff.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, so how has your accident impacted your mental health and with coping strategies?
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_00: Oh man, I tell you what.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_02: Read the medication they give you, man.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_02: Read the medication they give you, man.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_02: Definitely not homegrown.
• 50:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, man.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_02: Read the medication they give you, bro.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_02: Because look, man, like when I had my accident, man, I didn't really know how bad I was messed up.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_02: My legs are wrapped, right?
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_02: I remember when they took me out of the machine that I got had I had my accident.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_02: When they took me out, see, I I was I was I was laying on and when I had my accident, I was laying on my stomach.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_02: My legs were behind me and they were twisted up.
• 50:54
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, you know what I'm saying?
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_02: I felt in like an auger type machine.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_02: And it twisted my legs up, right?
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_02: So I can't see behind me.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_02: All I know is that I I felt every bone breaking this my left leg.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what's happened to my feet, you know, both feet.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_02: And uh I remember when they the paramedics finally got me out.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_02: I looked at my my uh my regional, my my regional manager, and I told him, hey man, I just messed myself up a little bit, I'll be back in a couple of weeks.
• 51:25
  SPEAKER_02: And they started crying, man.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, what the hell are they crying for, man?
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I'm good.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_02: I wasn't even I wasn't even crying, I was just in pain, like, man, get me out.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_02: I was just in that type of pain.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_02: I wasn't really crying, I was just hurting, right?
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_02: Right, right, right.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_02: So I have surgery here in corpus at the old memorial hospital.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_02: They they reconstruct my stuff back together, man.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_02: I got my legs wrapped up.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_02: I still don't know how bad I am, right?
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, they transferred me to a Herman Memorial in Houston, the trauma center, right?
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_02: Well, one day, man, I don't know how long I'm there, maybe three weeks of something like that.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_02: They unwrap my feet and I see it for myself.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_02: And I have a uh a panic attack.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm just going hysterical, man.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_02: And the first thing that came out of my mouth was I'll never be able to take care of my family again.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_02: Oh.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_02: My family.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_02: Because, bro, all I wanted to do in prison was get out and take care of my family, man.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_02: I I wanted to whatever uh I wanted to make life as easy for them as possible, alleviate whatever circumstances they was going to and make life easy for them.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_02: So when I seen my feet for the first time, man, I said, I'll never be able to take care of my family again, man.
• 52:43
  SPEAKER_02: Who's gonna take care of my family?
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_02: And the doctors, they was trying to encourage it, hey man, believe me, you're gonna bounce back.
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_02: There's all kinds of technology that they have out there for you to be able to walk in and all this type of stuff, man.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_02: So I just couldn't see it, man.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_02: And it took me a long time to see it, man.
• 52:59
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, uh, in all honesty, man, I I'll keep it a buck, man.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_02: My my my my injury, my state of mind cost me my family, man.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_02: It was I don't blame nothing on my ex, my, my, my youngest son, mother, man.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_02: My state of mind, I I could never get to the right place, man, mentally, bro.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_02: And uh I didn't talking about feel like I didn't even feel like half a man, bro.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_02: Like I didn't even feel like half a man, you know what I'm saying?
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_02: Because I knew she needed me, man.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_02: I knew my family needed me to be out there working to to to to uh help pay the bills and things like that.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_02: And man, I was in no situation to do those type of things, man.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_02: And uh those things, man, I was one day I was because bro, I ain't gonna lie, man, when I would like pass through the north side, I would always look at the harbor bridge.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_02: And I was a lot of man, not even man, thousands of times I thought about jumping.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_00: Bo.
• 53:59
  SPEAKER_02: Like there was a there was numerous, numerous of times that I thought about just jumping, bro, like getting it over with, right?
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_02: And one day, uh, because I was really depressed, man.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_02: Really depressed.
• 54:11
  SPEAKER_02: So one day, man, for some reason, I was taking this anxiety medicine some for my anxiety, man.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_02: And um, I just read the side one day I just grabbed that paper out of it and was reading the side effect.
• 54:21
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, and one of the side effects said that if it's not working, it'll intensify your depression.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what it was doing to me.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_02: Because once I quit messing with that medicine, bro, those thoughts weren't there no more, man.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_02: Like living was on my mind now, you know what I'm saying?
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_02: Like really living, and um and and this is what like I had I had three people, man, even my family couldn't like pull me out of that funk.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_02: And it's it's not that they didn't try nothing like that, it's just like they just couldn't.
• 54:58
  SPEAKER_02: But I this is when I met Jacoby.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_02: Jacoby helped me a lot, man, to get mentally in the right place.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_02: Then I came across three female friends, Ryan, Natasha, and uh and Kamisha.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_02: They helped me, like mentally helped me feel like a man again, you know what I'm saying?
• 55:21
  SPEAKER_02: They would always encourage me and tell me good things.
• 55:24
  SPEAKER_02: And in and uh another another person too was another two other people was was my partner Slow and uh and uh D Money, Money Water Wayne, you know what I'm saying?
• 55:34
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I I got to give them boys their credit because them two, Wayne and Slow, they never treat, they they treated me like I ain't have half a foot, man.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_02: Or like I was they want to wrestle, they want to fight, they want to do all that.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, man, get off me, man.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_02: But they I know what it was for, bro.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_02: For the encouragement, like, man, bro, you still here with us, bro.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_02: It, you know, you still Creon.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_02: Don't feel like you're not Creon, you know what I'm saying?
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_02: But those stages helped pull me out, you know what I'm saying?
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_02: And then being around Gino and all these other guys, starting to waveguard stuff, helped me uh pull out of that that that that mentality that ain't nobody no more.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_02: Or not necessarily not nobody, but that I'm not a man, you know what I'm saying?
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it took a bro, it it took it took I had that accident in 2013.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't mentally get right to probably about 2018, 2019, man.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_00: Seems like a healthy amount of time to like grieve over that, I guess.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_02: Now I joke about it, bro.
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_02: And I ain't gonna lie, Facebook helped me a little bit too because that's where I would take my pain and turn it into a joke.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_02: And and I didn't know like through my suffering and joking about it, how many people I was helping, man.
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_02: Because I was I man, even to this day, I still get text inboxes like, man, Creon, you don't know how you get me through the day, man, by the stuff you post on Facebook, man.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_02: Or man, you every time you talk about your injury and you make us laugh, man, you make me realize that what I'm going through ain't nothing compared to you.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_02: And if you can laugh about life and if you can still be happy, man, I can I can get through whatever I'm going through too, because I didn't go through what you go through.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, man, bro, I'm over here coping, man.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_02: See, that's all I'm doing, bro.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just coping, man.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_02: You don't even know you're helping somebody through this.
• 57:33
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, that's crazy.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_02: And I would get a lot of those inboxes, man, and and from a lot of people just so happened to be going through.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_02: So I remember this one girl was telling me, like, man, you got me through my pregnancy, you know what I'm saying?
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_02: Dealing with my baby daddy and all this type of stuff.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_02: I like, man, y'all, I'm not I'm coping, man.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_02: I'm coping.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_02: This is how I'm coping through Facebook, man.
• 57:54
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, amazing.
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm thinking about Facebook.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_00: So, like, uh, how different?
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_00: Because it's Facebook's supposed to be like a community thing.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_00: Uh how different do you think it is from like say community that you grew up back then back then, and now do you think there is some type of community that you could have on social media?
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it really is because you're you're able to start different types of groups.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 58:17
  SPEAKER_02: You can start groups on there, and through those groups, man, you get the right people in them, y'all could help each other.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_02: Like, uh what's the name of Does this one group?
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_02: Uh well we'll just take for instance, man.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_02: Somebody's going through going like if I'm not mistaken, Yvonne Davis Brown.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_02: I think she started a group for uh for healing mothers whose son were killed by the police or anything, something like that.
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 58:47
  SPEAKER_02: And people go to a people who have lost somebody through police violence or anything like that, that's how they heal with each other.
• 58:56
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I done found all different types of groups for myself, you know what I'm saying?
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_02: We're dealing with injuries that don't nobody know about, but that's this is some of the groups I I go to for healing, you know what I'm saying?
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_02: So you can start, it's not even though it's a lot of BS on the first time.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's why I asked you.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_02: You you can you can there's always some positive in there too.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 59:20
  SPEAKER_02: You just gotta go look for it or start it yourself, you know what I'm saying?
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like uh I got a friend named Jessica Franklin.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_02: She uh I I was trying to get her on my show, but she works, she works a lot.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just hoping to get on the show because she has a uh she she has a she wants to start a group for you know grieving mothers who have lost you know their their husband or you know the stuff like that to where there's a there's a place for people to go, man, who are in these type of situations and y'all build from there, man.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_02: Like, you don't know, man, like one thing about Facebook and the stuff that I post, I've got a lot of friends when I come out in public.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:00:05
  SPEAKER_02: I don't even be knowing these people.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_02: They be like, man, hey man, I follow you on Facebook, man.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_02: You're funny.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_02: Come have a drink.
• 1:00:10
  SPEAKER_02: I don't drink or nothing like that no more.
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:00:12
  SPEAKER_02: So come have a drink with someone like that, or man, let me buy you something on man.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_02: Or if I'm just out in the bot, hey man, if you need anything, I got you.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_02: That's just off of Facebook.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:00:22
  SPEAKER_02: So you do you do build a little community within yourself because people people remember you, they know you, they know you what you posted, man.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, all you know is that you don't even know who this friend dude who sends you all this female who sent your friend request.
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_02: You just let them join your ride, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_02: Get in your car, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:00:40
  SPEAKER_02: But it it it's it's crazy, man.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_02: It's crazy.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, speaking of those, uh uh, I want to give a shout-out to the I actually have a community page for Corpuscity Originals.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and like anybody that's been on the podcast or bought merch or whatever, they can share on there, and I just share episode clips and stuff like that.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_00: But here's some of the pages that follow us uh i style coffee and more on wheels, Lori Love Entertainment, uh Rugsy Seagull, Bird Post Marketplace, uh Local Texas Foodie, Ana Conejo, uh Big Kitchen Foods, Procare Legacy Detailing, Suscheria, and Stacy Stacy's shot.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_00: And there's of course there's a bunch more, but thanks you guys for following the community page.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_00: And just if you're watching this episode, you like this episode, let us know what you what you liked about this episode with Creon.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, that's awesome, man.
• 1:01:28
  SPEAKER_00: So the Man Look Podcast, dude.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_00: So I heard about that.
• 1:01:32
  SPEAKER_00: Well, well, I talked to King about it, right?
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_00: When he was on here and you were on here, I think.
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_00: But uh, whenever you're on their show, you're like, man, look.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_00: And that to me is like an educational moment's gonna show up right now.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_02: You know what, man?
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_02: That's part of my vocabulary before we even started.
• 1:01:51
  SPEAKER_02: Like, man, look, I'm like, man, look.
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:01:54
  SPEAKER_02: When I'm trying my first, it's really for like if you say some bullshit, I'm supposed to educate you right quick, man.
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:02:02
  SPEAKER_02: Like, like, oh, you say something that look, man, that don't make no sense, and you're trying to make it make sense so we can all agree with that shit.
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, man, look, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_02: So I've been saying that for a long time, man.
• 1:02:13
  SPEAKER_02: I actually like when we was talking earlier about Jacoby, you know, he had the uh the the Clint Peabody show.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_02: I did mine, and you know, he used to we used to co-host it together, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_02: The man look, and um man, we we had a we had a good little stretch, maybe a two-year stretch, and then COVID came.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 1:02:33
  SPEAKER_02: So after COVID, uh we stopped, and then I opened the uh the Waveguard Supreme store.
• 1:02:41
  SPEAKER_02: So uh we'll get right getting right back at it.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_02: We was getting ready.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_02: We had a couple episodes with Ramon with Freakman.
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_02: We had a couple episodes because he was doing the graphics and stuff for us, the background and everything for us.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_02: And then he had a uh uh an incident in his family to where you know he couldn't come around no more.
• 1:02:57
  SPEAKER_02: He it was real personal, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:02:59
  SPEAKER_02: So we kind of fell back, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_02: We kind of fell back to that coach Jacoby eventually got into.
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_02: I'm I'm of course I'm trying to run the store.
• 1:03:08
  SPEAKER_02: Jacoby eventually got into uh his training took off, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:03:13
  SPEAKER_02: His training like took took off so it um I was telling you how you know DJ King hit me up, man.
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_02: It was like, say, man, we're gonna uh start doing the Rod and High podcast, man.
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_02: You know, would you like to join it?
• 1:03:28
  SPEAKER_02: And like, I ain't gonna lie, man.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_02: Uh anything King got going on, man, him and Freak, man, I'm gonna participate.
• 1:03:35
  SPEAKER_02: Even though like I barely make the smoke walks, but it's be it merely because because like I pray five times a day, man.
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_02: So before I cut out, I'm gonna make sure I make my prayers, bro.
• 1:03:47
  SPEAKER_02: And and if it and if that prayer, because they come in at certain times, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:03:50
  SPEAKER_02: If my last prayer comes in at a time that's cutting close to when the event's about to end, then I I ain't gonna make the event, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:03:58
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:03:59
  SPEAKER_02: And it's and it has nothing to do with me not wanting to be there, it's just my devotion to God.
• 1:04:05
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and and my discipline, my discipline that's because like man, I done been through a lot, bro.
• 1:04:12
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_02: I've been through a lot to where like at one point I ain't had nobody but God.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_02: And I see by me, by when, you know, when me when I'm being disciplined and doing what I when I'm supposed to be doing in the confines of my faith, how all the blessings that come to me.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm not trying to lose his blessings or his favor.
• 1:04:33
  SPEAKER_02: But getting back to the podcast, uh King King uh had been on my butt, man, for maybe about a year and a half, yeah, maybe two years.
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_02: Man, Crown, you need to start the man look back.
• 1:04:43
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna do it on the Ryan Hop uh uh platform, man.
• 1:04:46
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:04:47
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, man, I'm thinking about it, I'm thinking about it.
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_02: Then at one time I tried to get, I was like, but man, I need a new logo, man.
• 1:04:54
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:04:55
  SPEAKER_02: And uh I was putting it out, I was inboxing people, man, but they would never send me nothing like a logo or nothing like that.
• 1:05:03
  SPEAKER_02: And then um and freak jumped on a logo, man, and they the logo that I have today, and I was like, man, this is fire, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:05:13
  SPEAKER_02: I like, man, this is fire.
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_02: I like it.
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I like I'm I'm like, I mean it's time to go, man.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_02: It's time to go, man.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_02: And so we've been we've been rolling ever since then.
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_02: We started this year, man, and I've had, you know, I've had some uh some really some really uh touching episodes, man, because one I think one of my first episodes back was um I had two it was about you know prison.
• 1:05:39
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:05:40
  SPEAKER_02: I had two OGs from our neighborhood.
• 1:05:43
  SPEAKER_02: One who had who did like 25 and the other one did like 17 or something like that.
• 1:05:50
  SPEAKER_02: And uh it was about safe prison.
• 1:05:52
  SPEAKER_02: And I was talking to them because a lot of people think that like pedophiles and sex offenders, when they get down to the penitentiary, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:05:59
  SPEAKER_02: This Ain't the 80s no more.
• 1:06:01
  SPEAKER_02: This ain't the 70s and 80s and the 90s, how they used to get handled.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_02: They got prisons for them now.
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_02: To where if you touch them, you get your free world case.
• 1:06:10
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:06:11
  SPEAKER_02: Like they're trying to make it easy as possible for them.
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_02: Even though they're they're criminals.
• 1:06:17
  SPEAKER_02: And they come home be, they'll come home before your brother or your cousin that was selling drugs.
• 1:06:21
  SPEAKER_02: They'll come home before people like that.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I watched it because I was sent to one of those prisons.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_02: And I was asking, and like, it was the guy who used to play basketball for the Phoenix Suns called Oliver Miller, where his dad was there.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_02: Big tall black dude.
• 1:06:40
  SPEAKER_02: And we worked in the line building together.
• 1:06:42
  SPEAKER_02: And I and I remember before they gave me the job in the line building, the the uh major, the the the present major at that time when I got there, he was like, Hey man, are you a peeping tongue?
• 1:06:51
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, Hell no.
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_02: He's like, Are you some kind of freak or something like that?
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like he was going in.
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, hell no, I ain't like that, man.
• 1:06:57
  SPEAKER_02: I'm a I'm a man's man.
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:07:00
  SPEAKER_02: And he was like, Well, I'm gonna give you a job in the line building.
• 1:07:02
  SPEAKER_02: The reason why I'm asking you because I gave somebody else a job in the line building in the closet is connected to the woman's restroom, and they dug a hole in the wall and through the mirror, and they was watching the women use the restroom.
• 1:07:14
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, nah, I ain't on that type of shit.
• 1:07:17
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:07:20
  SPEAKER_02: And then one of the first things that he told me, he was like, Don't mess with my white boys, and don't mess with my gays.
• 1:07:29
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_02: And you're in your and your in your trip, he'll be good.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_02: This is what he told me, man.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, man, yeah, I remember me messing with nobody, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:07:39
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I was told.
• 1:07:41
  SPEAKER_02: So they had a board in there, and it was like it was like uh uh how many the percentage of how many sex offenders on the unit, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:07:55
  SPEAKER_02: And how many the percentage of non-sex offenders on the unit, man?
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_02: Well, any between 85 to 75 percent of sex offenders are on this unit, and the other guys and people that are selling drugs, robberies, uh arson or shit like that, any other, any other crime outside of that, right?
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_02: And um, and I'm like, man, so just if it's 500 people on the unit, so for every hundred, only 25 or 35 of us ain't no 20 from 25, either 25 of us or 15 of us out of every hundred, or just down here on drug charges, robbery charges, or something like that.
• 1:08:34
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody else are fucking sex offenders, you know what I'm saying, or or done something, pedophiles or something like that, man.
• 1:08:39
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm in the line building because this is bothering me, man.
• 1:08:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, like what the hell am I doing on this unit, man?
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, and I'm talking to Mr.
• 1:08:46
  SPEAKER_02: Miller because we work around women, and I'm like, man, Mr.
• 1:08:50
  SPEAKER_02: Miller, I don't understand why I'm here because I don't know.
• 1:08:52
  SPEAKER_02: Well, he already told me what he's there for, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:08:55
  SPEAKER_02: I done told him what I'm here for, but why why I'm in prison, right?
• 1:08:59
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, man, Mr.
• 1:09:00
  SPEAKER_02: Miller, I don't know why I'm on this unit, man.
• 1:09:02
  SPEAKER_02: And he said, he said, Martin.
• 1:09:04
  SPEAKER_02: Uh he called me Martin, he said, Martin, somebody got to work with these women, man.
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_02: He said, and they figured you were somebody that'll work with these women.
• 1:09:14
  SPEAKER_02: So they brought you all the way from the bottom of Texas to the top of Texas, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:09:18
  SPEAKER_02: And I tried to keep that in my mind.
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_02: Like, okay, this is why I'm here now.
• 1:09:22
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:09:23
  SPEAKER_02: And I also think it was God too, because I got a son with seven daughters, six daughters, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:09:32
  SPEAKER_02: So my mind is already right there when it comes to my granddaughters, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:09:37
  SPEAKER_02: And and and things like that, man.
• 1:09:39
  SPEAKER_02: And then that's where I educated myself at, too, because I got the job in the library.
• 1:09:44
  SPEAKER_02: So I spent a lot of time reading and studying things, man.
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_02: So I'll, you know, if you know, if you believe in God, you believe it was written.
• 1:09:52
  SPEAKER_02: And this was just a part of my journey in life to to become the individual I am today, man.
• 1:09:57
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:09:58
  SPEAKER_02: So that was kind of a crazy experience, man.
• 1:10:03
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_02: To be in that type of situation, man.
• 1:10:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's interesting.
• 1:10:07
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, real quick, shout out to Ramon and DJ King in the chat.
• 1:10:10
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks a lot, you guys.
• 1:10:12
  SPEAKER_00: Shout out Terry Clay and Ho Pimp.
• 1:10:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:10:14
  SPEAKER_00: Fire hundreds, hundreds.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks a lot, you guys.
• 1:10:17
  SPEAKER_02: Those were Terry Clay and Ho Pimp was actually the uh the the OGs that I had on the show.
• 1:10:23
  SPEAKER_02: And uh getting back to it was was trying to we're explaining to them about the safe prison environment now that it ain't like it used to be compared to when they were in there to when I got there.
• 1:10:33
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:10:34
  SPEAKER_02: So what are the differences now between between the two?
• 1:10:37
  SPEAKER_02: Because Well, they had easier access to beating the crap out of them.
• 1:10:42
  SPEAKER_02: Okay or or doing something violent to them.
• 1:10:45
  SPEAKER_02: Whereas now that like if you do something to one of them, you can get a you can get a free world charge, man.
• 1:10:51
  SPEAKER_02: You can get an assault charge.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_02: You'll have to go back to court and get some more time.
• 1:10:55
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:10:55
  SPEAKER_02: Something like that.
• 1:10:56
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:10:56
  SPEAKER_02: They do they do a lot of protecting of them, but at the same time, now there are they're still on units, but they have units for them now.
• 1:11:04
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:11:04
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:11:05
  SPEAKER_02: Where they try to get all of them on that one unit so they can avoid being it, because a lot of a lot of sex offenders, they get molested, they get extorted, they they they made to wash clothes, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:11:19
  SPEAKER_02: They they they become like what you see on on like a lot of the TV shows, they become the the B I T C H inside of them.
• 1:11:28
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:11:29
  SPEAKER_02: So in order to keep them safe, uh they made to safe prison type of environment for them, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:11:36
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:11:36
  SPEAKER_00: So, I mean, did is there like is it better, worse?
• 1:11:40
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know what I mean?
• 1:11:41
  SPEAKER_00: Because just like them, they could come out and do the same thing as uh somebody who went in for drug dealing.
• 1:11:47
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that's that's just it, bro.
• 1:11:50
  SPEAKER_02: They get out fast, man.
• 1:11:51
  SPEAKER_02: They still go, they still come home, man.
• 1:11:53
  SPEAKER_02: Only thing about it is that they have to register, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:11:57
  SPEAKER_02: They have they have to register, and you know, they have restrictions.
• 1:12:00
  SPEAKER_02: You know, you can't be but you can't be around kids and stuff like that.
• 1:12:03
  SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
• 1:12:03
  SPEAKER_02: But man, they still do.
• 1:12:05
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:12:06
  SPEAKER_02: You don't you because one thing about it, regardless of if they're registered or not, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:12:12
  SPEAKER_02: When they go somewhere, you don't know that that's a sex offender.
• 1:12:14
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:12:15
  SPEAKER_02: You you probably wouldn't know.
• 1:12:17
  SPEAKER_02: That's why I tell people too, man, like just Google your your where wherever you stay at, Google your radius where you at sex offenders, and it'll come up.
• 1:12:27
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:12:28
  SPEAKER_02: And it'll show you everybody, the address and everything of who's a sex offender in your neighborhood.
• 1:12:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so you can be careful, man.
• 1:12:34
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:12:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so that that's just one of the topics among the among others.
• 1:12:39
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, uh the other topics you talked about, men need men need to be aware of uh who when they're picked or chosen.
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, single mothers raising boys, Juneteenth with uh Simone Sanders, uh Cheating, Who and Why, uh Hillcrest Uh Basketball and Hillcrest Records, Lifestyle and Entertainment segments.
• 1:12:57
  SPEAKER_00: Man, dude, and I I also had one about uh Bitnaw.
• 1:13:01
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:13:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:13:03
  SPEAKER_02: You know, my I this is my homegirl.
• 1:13:05
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:13:06
  SPEAKER_02: I hadn't seen her in a long time, man, a good little minute.
• 1:13:09
  SPEAKER_02: And when she called me up and told me, like, I would have never, bro, I would have never guessed it, man.
• 1:13:13
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:13:14
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, her her episode was powerful, man.
• 1:13:17
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:13:18
  SPEAKER_02: It ain't gonna probably as much as attention that I would have loved for it too, but that's my that's my goal, man, when it when it comes to podcasts, because I'm really not, I'm not, I'm not here for the views, even though we hope to get views.
• 1:13:29
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:13:30
  SPEAKER_02: My my my intention is to is this is to spread some type of knowledge so you could understand, or some some statistics and facts on things, because on certain things I go and run my numbers, man.
• 1:13:41
  SPEAKER_02: I gonna make sure that I'm not up here just talking, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:13:44
  SPEAKER_02: I have actually have statistics and things that's on this, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_02: So that uh I won't be called a BSer, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:13:52
  SPEAKER_02: Because I ain't I'm not here to sugarcoat nothing, man.
• 1:13:56
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just gonna give you the facts on stuff, like man, so we can be better as a people, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:14:01
  SPEAKER_02: When I'm talking about people, I'm talking about every damn body, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:14:04
  SPEAKER_02: So we can learn how to be uh have some type of humanity out here, man.
• 1:14:08
  SPEAKER_02: And to also be aware of what's going on around you, too, man, because it's a lot of things that go on, man, that we overlook that you shouldn't be overlooking, man.
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and then like with the fentanyl, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:14:22
  SPEAKER_02: Like, these are things like or when it comes to stereotypes, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:14:29
  SPEAKER_02: It's not like a black drug, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:14:33
  SPEAKER_02: Well, we'll say, like, this is what black people do, or this is what black, or this is what Hispanics do, this is like crap crap, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:14:39
  SPEAKER_02: With the black community, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:14:40
  SPEAKER_02: Even though everybody do it, but it's associated in this stereotype to the black community, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:14:47
  SPEAKER_02: So you come to find out, like, hey, my homegirl, she's black and she's doing fit, no, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:14:55
  SPEAKER_02: So drugs and things like that don't care what color you are you are, bro.
• 1:14:59
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:15:00
  SPEAKER_02: People who sell it don't care what color you are because coming back to crack, it's what I used to sell.
• 1:15:08
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:15:09
  SPEAKER_02: And I seen every nationality come through the hood.
• 1:15:12
  SPEAKER_00: Crazy.
• 1:15:12
  SPEAKER_02: I'm talking about from from from from white, black, Mexican, Asian, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:15:18
  SPEAKER_02: Uh uh uh uh Indian, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:15:21
  SPEAKER_02: I done seen it all.
• 1:15:23
  SPEAKER_02: Wow the drugs and stuff don't have no uh no uh it don't discriminate, man.
• 1:15:28
  SPEAKER_02: Whoever takes it takes it, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:15:31
  SPEAKER_02: So that that her talking about that and then explaining herself and you know, oh then like man, I couldn't believe that my homegirl haven't been through this, man.
• 1:15:41
  SPEAKER_02: So I wanted to I don't know too, I don't know much about fentanyl, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:15:47
  SPEAKER_02: Just only what they say on the news.
• 1:15:49
  SPEAKER_02: So here I got somebody that I know I'm gonna bring her on, and I'm glad she reached out to me.
• 1:15:54
  SPEAKER_02: So I brought her on, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:15:56
  SPEAKER_02: So whoever don't know about fentanyl and its effects of it.
• 1:15:59
  SPEAKER_02: Well, here we are on the Rod and High Man Look show, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:16:03
  SPEAKER_02: So you can get what you so you can get information on that, man.
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_02: So even parents can be aware of what's going on out here.
• 1:16:09
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I was uh I listened to this this I think it's called 136, it's uh station 1360 on AM, it's an AM radio station, it's a Republican station.
• 1:16:19
  SPEAKER_02: And um, and man, they was talking about the effects of uh like fentanyl and all these different types of drugs, and even they were saying, you know, these are not these aren't the normal party drugs that white people was doing, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:16:35
  SPEAKER_02: It's like that man, you got to be careful with your kids because they're lacing all these our party drugs that we party with with fentanyl.
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:16:45
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm just like, man, you know, you never know.
• 1:16:47
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know, you never know.
• 1:16:49
  SPEAKER_02: So you gotta, they're even putting it on on drove, dog.
• 1:16:53
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:16:54
  SPEAKER_02: So you really got to be careful what you're doing out here.
• 1:16:56
  SPEAKER_02: If you're if this is what you do, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:16:59
  SPEAKER_02: You got to be careful because your life is at stake, man.
• 1:17:02
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's crazy.
• 1:17:02
  SPEAKER_00: There was a lady, there was a girl in here, she was she's a she runs a dispensary like in Portland or whatever, but she said she had that experience.
• 1:17:09
  SPEAKER_00: A guy gave her some stuff, and she thought it was a joiner, I guess, whatever, you know, smoke it was like weed, and she didn't know what was in it, and she she fainted and all this other stuff.
• 1:17:19
  SPEAKER_00: So I was like, wow.
• 1:17:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, man.
• 1:17:21
  SPEAKER_00: Well now, I mean, you don't know, man.
• 1:17:22
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's why I gravitate towards you and your like your podcast is it's like an educational, like you you're asking the questions that people are listening that they're asking, yeah, and those questions are getting answered, yeah.
• 1:17:34
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 1:17:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's a it's a learning tool, which is kind of kind of how I do mine.
• 1:17:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, um, I want to, and I've always wanna say I've always been like a a learner as well.
• 1:17:44
  SPEAKER_00: And and what I learn, I want people to know.
• 1:17:46
  SPEAKER_00: I'm the same way, bro.
• 1:17:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:48
  SPEAKER_02: Like, like if I get information, man, you do an injustice if you don't share it.
• 1:17:55
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:17:56
  SPEAKER_02: You do it if I'm talking about like vital information, not somebody's business, right?
• 1:18:01
  SPEAKER_02: But vital information that can help people.
• 1:18:04
  SPEAKER_02: You do an injustice to the people if you don't share that information.
• 1:18:07
  SPEAKER_02: If you hold that into yourself and one of your close friends died from some something that you already knew about and you never relayed that information from them, I'm not saying you cause his death, but you play a part in it.
• 1:18:18
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:18:19
  SPEAKER_02: Or or or you know, you know statistics and stuff about you know prison life and the things that happen or what happened.
• 1:18:26
  SPEAKER_02: And I and I feel like being that I've been there and I don't relay these information to these youngsters, and they go to the prison, even though they're doing what they want to do.
• 1:18:34
  SPEAKER_02: But if I don't at least give them information, I play a part in it.
• 1:18:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:18:38
  SPEAKER_02: So my with my podcast, my my my my my duty is to give you some news you could use, man.
• 1:18:43
  SPEAKER_02: Right, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:18:45
  SPEAKER_02: Matter of fact, that's what on the Clint Peabody show, that was well, that's what what my what my segment was called, news you could use.
• 1:18:51
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:18:52
  SPEAKER_02: Because I would relay all different types of information.
• 1:18:54
  SPEAKER_02: That's cool.
• 1:18:55
  SPEAKER_02: So I just I'm just that type of way like you, man.
• 1:18:58
  SPEAKER_02: Once I learn something, I gotta give it away.
• 1:18:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, you gotta give it away, like especially if it's useful information.
• 1:19:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like that lady, we were talking about that lady that came on uh Rachel Caballero.
• 1:19:06
  SPEAKER_00: She was talking about how in the city charter it says that the mayor doesn't run the city, that the city manager runs the city.
• 1:19:11
  SPEAKER_00: That blew my mind.
• 1:19:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like, well, what you know what I mean?
• 1:19:14
  SPEAKER_00: That blew my mind, man.
• 1:19:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:19:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought the mayor was running the city.
• 1:19:18
  SPEAKER_00: No wonder the guy's getting paid so much money.
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_00: The the city manager is just like I can't.
• 1:19:23
  SPEAKER_00: I that's why I shared that clip because a lot of people and I got a got a lot of views on that clip because I feel like it's information that people don't know about.
• 1:19:33
  SPEAKER_02: You got man, if you wouldn't have shared that clip, you'd have done it in Justice Thomas, bro.
• 1:19:39
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:19:40
  SPEAKER_02: Like, no, no, bro.
• 1:19:41
  SPEAKER_02: You you you you like you burnt the grass with that one, man.
• 1:19:45
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:19:45
  SPEAKER_02: Like for real, that would that that was news and information that's needed out here, bro.
• 1:19:50
  SPEAKER_02: Because I man, I'm 53.
• 1:19:53
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it took me 53 years to find this type of information, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:19:57
  SPEAKER_02: And um, I was listening to something else too about like, you know, like like me, I'm more concerned on what goes on in our city more than I am the United States.
• 1:20:11
  SPEAKER_02: And the reason why I say that is because I live here.
• 1:20:14
  SPEAKER_02: I'm a part of the United States, but I stay in Corpus Christi, Texas.
• 1:20:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:20:18
  SPEAKER_02: So that's where my concern comes from.
• 1:20:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I know what's going on, but for for change, for anything for change to start happening, change has always got to start happening on home ground.
• 1:20:30
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:20:30
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:20:31
  SPEAKER_02: Before you start trying to venture out and trying to change the world, make sure your environment is changed.
• 1:20:36
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, yeah.
• 1:20:36
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:20:37
  SPEAKER_02: Make sure your environment is changed.
• 1:20:39
  SPEAKER_02: I always tell my partners, man, when your life is in disarray, go and clean your room, bro.
• 1:20:44
  SPEAKER_02: Go clean your room, man.
• 1:20:46
  SPEAKER_02: Start with your room, then once you come out your room, clean your kitchen, then go into your living room, clean your bathroom.
• 1:20:52
  SPEAKER_02: Once your whole house is clean, now you're ready to walk outside and function, man.
• 1:20:56
  SPEAKER_00: You know how how how much of an impact do you think the podcast has on the local community?
• 1:21:01
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you know what, man?
• 1:21:02
  SPEAKER_02: People watch, man.
• 1:21:04
  SPEAKER_02: People watch.
• 1:21:05
  SPEAKER_02: We might not think they do, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:21:07
  SPEAKER_02: Because you will see uh 1200 views, 14, 1800 views.
• 1:21:12
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I think, I think uh with the when I had Jeremy on there for the for the trail ride, I think we had like 10,000, 12,000 views.
• 1:21:24
  SPEAKER_02: Cool.
• 1:21:24
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know all them people.
• 1:21:25
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:21:26
  SPEAKER_02: So somebody's watching.
• 1:21:28
  SPEAKER_02: I did a uh I did a show.
• 1:21:30
  SPEAKER_02: I I went to on Fat Man's on Fat Man the Boss on a on uh on a situation.
• 1:21:36
  SPEAKER_02: I did 10,000 views on that, and like man, it blew my mind.
• 1:21:41
  SPEAKER_02: I had to screenshot that keep it for myself, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:21:44
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, what?
• 1:21:45
  SPEAKER_02: And we're just like on his regular page going live, and we did 10,000 views, man.
• 1:21:50
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:21:51
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't done that on my own page yet, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:21:54
  SPEAKER_02: But yeah, and people people watch, man, and we do like guys like me and you, you know what I'm saying, who who really talk about what's really, really going on, man.
• 1:22:03
  SPEAKER_02: We impact people, bro.
• 1:22:05
  SPEAKER_02: We impact people.
• 1:22:07
  SPEAKER_02: We might not see it because we don't know everybody's that's watching, bro.
• 1:22:11
  SPEAKER_02: Uh we impact impact people outside of our friends.
• 1:22:14
  SPEAKER_02: Of course, our friends will tell us that amen, I watched the show and yada yada yada yada.
• 1:22:18
  SPEAKER_02: But we don't know about the dude, we don't know the people who who watch the show.
• 1:22:22
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:22:23
  SPEAKER_02: So for them to sit there through it, bro.
• 1:22:26
  SPEAKER_02: One thing that I learned as a youth, man, that when I was told things, hey, what what I should do and what I should not do, and and the things that I bucked and I didn't listen to, later on down the line, when I done something, that memory came back across my head.
• 1:22:42
  SPEAKER_02: Well, man, I remember when I was 14 years old, that man told me, Don't do this, man.
• 1:22:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, wow you know what I'm saying?
• 1:22:47
  SPEAKER_02: So it's there.
• 1:22:49
  SPEAKER_02: Whatever you watch, it's there.
• 1:22:51
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:22:51
  SPEAKER_02: It's just in the subconscious.
• 1:22:53
  SPEAKER_02: Put yourself in a situation, it'll come out your subconscious.
• 1:22:56
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 1:22:57
  SPEAKER_00: My my one of the things it makes me think about this one thing my dad would say.
• 1:23:00
  SPEAKER_00: Well, actually, my grandma would tell my uh my dad's family, like if you if you meet somebody for the first time, treat respect them, treat them right, right?
• 1:23:09
  SPEAKER_00: Because you don't know if you're gonna come across them later in life.
• 1:23:14
  SPEAKER_00: Because they could be like, oh my brother, you treated me like that.
• 1:23:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, whatever, you know what I mean.
• 1:23:17
  SPEAKER_00: Just give them a give them a respect at the onset.
• 1:23:21
  SPEAKER_00: Might not you don't know if you'll see them later.
• 1:23:23
  SPEAKER_00: You never know.
• 1:23:23
  SPEAKER_02: Say, like, one time me and Jacoby, we went to the juvenile.
• 1:23:28
  SPEAKER_02: We we we've been over there twice to speak to the youth, right?
• 1:23:31
  SPEAKER_02: And um, when I had my store in the trade, I had it on West Point, then I moved it to the Trade Center, then I eventually just shut it down and started selling going back out the house.
• 1:23:41
  SPEAKER_02: But a kid came in there, man.
• 1:23:43
  SPEAKER_02: He said, Hey, he called me by my name and everything.
• 1:23:45
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, Creon, what's up, man?
• 1:23:46
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't know.
• 1:23:47
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, who's this kid right here?
• 1:23:48
  SPEAKER_02: He said, Man, you might not remember me, but I was at the juvenile when you was talking to me, man.
• 1:23:53
  SPEAKER_02: I got my stuff together.
• 1:23:54
  SPEAKER_02: He had his little chain on, dressed real nice.
• 1:23:56
  SPEAKER_02: He had his, he was like, Man, this is my girlfriend right here.
• 1:23:58
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:23:59
  SPEAKER_02: So the things we do, man, they impact people, man.
• 1:24:02
  SPEAKER_02: You know, when you're doing right, you you impact the people, man.
• 1:24:05
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:24:06
  SPEAKER_02: One thing, another thing that I learned about life, regardless of who you are in life, bro, God's gonna use you, man.
• 1:24:12
  SPEAKER_02: You're gonna either be using somebody to admire or somebody to despise, man.
• 1:24:16
  SPEAKER_02: Somebody to be like or somebody not to be like.
• 1:24:19
  SPEAKER_02: Pick who you want to be, man.
• 1:24:20
  SPEAKER_02: Pick who you want to be in life, man.
• 1:24:22
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:24:23
  SPEAKER_02: Because somebody's watching, somebody is always watching, and you're right, bro.
• 1:24:27
  SPEAKER_02: Anytime you meet somebody new, extend kindness to them.
• 1:24:33
  SPEAKER_02: It extend humility to them because you never know what your situation ends up in life, man.
• 1:24:38
  SPEAKER_02: And that person can be the same person that you were so kind to that they came back around and helped you out, man.
• 1:24:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's awesome, man.
• 1:24:46
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, we're almost done.
• 1:24:47
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks a lot, Creon, for coming on the podcast, man.
• 1:24:50
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, is there anything you want to share?
• 1:24:52
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, anything to our listeners, maybe to the youth, or even your crowd, your audience, my audience, or you got anything in mind that you would like to share?
• 1:25:02
  SPEAKER_02: Uh man, tap into man look, tap into corpus christian, tap into uh Rod and High Podcast.
• 1:25:09
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:25:10
  SPEAKER_02: Go see my boy.
• 1:25:11
  SPEAKER_02: If you if you're doing basketball training, go see my boy uh Jacoby Satterwhite at Supreme Training.
• 1:25:18
  SPEAKER_02: Spend your money with your locals, with with with Breland Price, uh uh Waveguard Supreme, uh uh Corpus Christi Original gear.
• 1:25:27
  SPEAKER_02: Everybody who's making clothes, spend your money with your locals, man.
• 1:25:30
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:25:30
  SPEAKER_02: Because our clothes are fresher than what comes off the designer racks.
• 1:25:33
  SPEAKER_02: I don't care what nobody says.
• 1:25:34
  SPEAKER_02: But for the most part, man, what I really want, I just have to give my shout outs.
• 1:25:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, I go.
• 1:25:38
  SPEAKER_02: But for the for the most part, man, what I what I really want to say is, man, like you're never too old to learn something, man.
• 1:25:47
  SPEAKER_02: You're never too old to learn, man.
• 1:25:51
  SPEAKER_02: Older people, listen to the youth.
• 1:25:54
  SPEAKER_02: Listen to the youth because a lot of the things that do are are really cries, man.
• 1:25:58
  SPEAKER_02: They just don't know how to um how to express themselves properly.
• 1:26:02
  SPEAKER_02: They don't know the language and they don't know how to articulate it.
• 1:26:04
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of the youth, man, listen to your listen to your elders, man.
• 1:26:08
  SPEAKER_02: Respect your elders, man.
• 1:26:10
  SPEAKER_02: Because only reason why we tell y'all things is because we went through it and we love y'all enough to not want to see y'all go through it, man.
• 1:26:17
  SPEAKER_02: You know, um, be kind to people, man.
• 1:26:20
  SPEAKER_02: I don't you don't you don't have to be nice, but be kind.
• 1:26:23
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:26:24
  SPEAKER_02: I the reason why I say not be nice because nice get you used, man.
• 1:26:29
  SPEAKER_02: When you're kind to people, it does a boundary there.
• 1:26:32
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:26:33
  SPEAKER_02: When you're kind to people, you have you kind of like have a boundary.
• 1:26:35
  SPEAKER_02: You're respectful, you're cordial, and you're kind.
• 1:26:38
  SPEAKER_02: But when you're when you're nice, man, people tend to overstep their boundaries and use you.
• 1:26:42
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:26:43
  SPEAKER_02: So so so keep that in mind, man.
• 1:26:45
  SPEAKER_02: And just just be a good human being, man.
• 1:26:48
  SPEAKER_02: I don't care if your friends are Republican or your friends are Democrat, be a good human being, man, because that's something that's separating us as a people, man.
• 1:26:56
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:26:57
  SPEAKER_02: That's something that's the this political stuff is separating us as people, man.
• 1:27:00
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:27:01
  SPEAKER_02: Be a good human being, man.
• 1:27:03
  SPEAKER_02: That's all that's that's that's pretty much what it is, man.
• 1:27:06
  SPEAKER_02: Once you're a good human being, man, you know you're able to deal with everybody, even people who are uh like against you, you know how to deal with them, man.
• 1:27:16
  SPEAKER_02: When you when you're being a human being, and one day their humility, your humility uh uh uh changed them into being like I man, have you have you like I don't like there's been times in my life, bro, that like I see like people pick with certain people, right?
• 1:27:34
  SPEAKER_02: And that person just stays humble the whole time.
• 1:27:37
  SPEAKER_02: And years down the line, them same people that was picking with them have become that person's protector.
• 1:27:44
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:27:45
  SPEAKER_02: Because whatever they tried to do couldn't break that dude, man, or that girl, man.
• 1:27:49
  SPEAKER_02: And they stayed, they stay true to themselves.
• 1:27:52
  SPEAKER_02: And when you stay true to yourself, man, and people see that, man, they don't have they they don't have no choice but to honor you for who you really are, man.
• 1:28:00
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:28:01
  SPEAKER_02: And become your friend.
• 1:28:02
  SPEAKER_02: Like some of my enemies have become my best friends, man.
• 1:28:05
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:28:05
  SPEAKER_02: Growing up, some of my enemies are today or my I call them brothers, they're some of my closest friends, and they'll and they've come through me in the clutch.
• 1:28:14
  SPEAKER_02: Even I even take it to even some of the people that I've I've hurt have become my best friends.
• 1:28:19
  SPEAKER_02: They looked out to me and and and just things, man, just by me changing who I am and becoming a good human being, man.
• 1:28:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so that's what that's what I push, man.
• 1:28:29
  SPEAKER_02: Be a good human being, man.
• 1:28:30
  SPEAKER_00: Do what's right.
• 1:28:31
  SPEAKER_00: Definitely.
• 1:28:32
  SPEAKER_00: I like that.
• 1:28:33
  SPEAKER_00: I like that.
• 1:28:33
  SPEAKER_02: But I appreciate you too as well bringing me home, bro, because man, I like this podcast.
• 1:28:38
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:28:39
  SPEAKER_02: I really do, man.
• 1:28:40
  SPEAKER_02: I I really like this podcast, and I and I and I watch it from time to time whenever whenever I'm able to, or uh, or the time permits me to, man.
• 1:28:48
  SPEAKER_02: I go through it.
• 1:28:49
  SPEAKER_02: I I run I'll go through some of the uh your your past things, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:28:53
  SPEAKER_02: See what's some of the things I miss and the topics that I miss, man.
• 1:28:56
  SPEAKER_02: And I truly and sincerely like what you're doing, bro.
• 1:28:58
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks a lot.
• 1:29:00
  SPEAKER_00: It never fails, man.
• 1:29:01
  SPEAKER_00: Every time I come in before a show, I'm always just questioning myself.
• 1:29:04
  SPEAKER_00: Imposter syndrome.
• 1:29:05
  SPEAKER_00: When I get in here, out the window.
• 1:29:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, look, bro, I I'm the same way, man.
• 1:29:11
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:29:12
  SPEAKER_02: I'm the same way.
• 1:29:13
  SPEAKER_02: Like when I'm when I'm having a certain type of topic, man, I'm trying to prepare for it, man.
• 1:29:17
  SPEAKER_02: And what I come to notice, like, I could have all my notes, but if I just ask the question and like just let them kind of go, they'll wind up saying everything that was in my notes.
• 1:29:27
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, do it kind of.
• 1:29:29
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my god, that's so true.
• 1:29:30
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 1:29:31
  SPEAKER_02: Do it kind of saves me, man.
• 1:29:33
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I'm saying?
• 1:29:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like I like for real.
• 1:29:36
  SPEAKER_00: That just happened like almost today.
• 1:29:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like, there were some topics you didn't cover, but it was it was good.
• 1:29:40
  SPEAKER_00: Uh 73 the RG says, This is an outstanding episode.
• 1:29:44
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for sharing.
• 1:29:45
  SPEAKER_00: David Getta says, Yes, be a good human being.
• 1:29:47
  SPEAKER_00: That's where we're at.
• 1:29:48
  SPEAKER_00: David Getta has a podcast called the Walking Leader Podcast, okay, where he talks about leadership and stuff like that.
• 1:29:53
  SPEAKER_00: Ramona Sparza, thanks a lot.
• 1:29:56
  SPEAKER_00: Uh man, Creon.
• 1:29:57
  SPEAKER_00: Let's see, let's just do the outro.
• 1:29:58
  SPEAKER_00: Big thanks to Creon Martin for sharing his story.
• 1:30:00
  SPEAKER_00: Uh from Northside Man, it's a man look showing us his how creativity, resilience, and real talk can impact the whole community.
• 1:30:08
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, make sure you check out Man Look Talk Show, right?
• 1:30:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, look.
• 1:30:11
  SPEAKER_00: Man Look Talk Show and the Right and High Podcast Network.
• 1:30:15
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
• 1:30:15
  SPEAKER_00: Links to the uh show are in the show notes.
• 1:30:18
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, shout out to our sponsor, uh Premier Hearing, uh, Premier Hearing Solutions of South Texas.
• 1:30:23
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, thanks a lot for sponsoring the show.
• 1:30:25
  SPEAKER_00: Creon, been a pleasure, man.
• 1:30:27
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for coming through.
• 1:30:28
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for coming through.
• 1:30:29
  SPEAKER_00: Anytime.
• 1:30:30
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody else, uh, stay tuned for the next episode.
• 1:30:32
  SPEAKER_00: We got coming out.
• 1:30:32
  SPEAKER_00: Check out the clips.
• 1:30:33
  SPEAKER_00: Follow the Facebook community page we got.
• 1:30:35
  SPEAKER_00: I also had I also started another page, Corpus Christi Podcast, for podcasters and listeners to find local podcasts.
• 1:30:43
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, join that that's a dope thing, man.
• 1:30:46
  SPEAKER_00: Join that community, man, because there's there's the the podcast space is growing.
• 1:30:50
  SPEAKER_00: And uh Creon's podcast, my podcast, we got all this knowledge and all this stuff that we want to share, and we just want to share it with listeners locally.
• 1:30:57
  SPEAKER_00: So let's start at the local level if we really want to make a change.
• 1:31:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:31:00
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but thanks a lot, you guys.
• 1:31:02
  SPEAKER_00: Have a good one.
• 1:31:02
  SPEAKER_00: Peace.