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ITB: Jeff Stoutland Won't Be Coaching The Eagles' OL Anymore – What Now? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back.
• 0:14
  Speaker 2: What's going on?
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  Speaker 1: Everybody is Jeff Moster, Adam Kaplan Mosher here on the
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: East Coast, Kaplan out there in the Bay Area media row,
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. And what a big
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: day so far for Eagles news. While you're out in
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: San Francisco. Adam on the on the anniversary of the
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: Eagles first Super Bowl win, which had everybody excited in
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: the morning. It was a big topic of discussion on
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: sports talk radio. But then as the day goes on,
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  Speaker 1: we learned that Jeff Stoutlin has called the quits as
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles offensive line coach.
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  Speaker 2: Adam I think people.
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: Have been looking for reasons to be encouraged inspired. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we're trying to see how this new offense is gonna look.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, Vic Fangio almost considering retirement, and now
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: this is uh, sort of shell shocking for the followers.
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  Speaker 3: I was I'm gonna be straight up, I was not
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  Speaker 3: expecting this. Folks know, I've been with our show for
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  Speaker 3: nine years now. You know what, I'm not surprised because
• 1:10
  Speaker 3: you know, we we kind of give Okay, here's what
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  Speaker 3: we heard bind the scenes as a week ago.
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  Speaker 4: This is not happening.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not saying anything my senses and cause I know
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  Speaker 3: O line coaches, no Stout. I have to believe, and
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna find out in the next forty eight hours
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  Speaker 3: what the truth is. They were talking about certain things
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  Speaker 3: they just could not agree and then Stout put a
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  Speaker 3: statement out.
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  Speaker 4: The egos put something out, and.
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  Speaker 3: It's gotta be tough, starting left to right for my
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  Speaker 3: lotta of course, Rudabaut, Mylotta Stout right right.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: The only O line coach, Lane Johnson nover. Remember Chip
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  Speaker 3: Kelly brought him in twenty thirteen. Jergie Dickerson.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Adam, You're right.
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  Speaker 1: I heard I read actually somebody jokingly say the only
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  Speaker 1: good thing Chip Kelly ever did for this franchise was
• 1:55
  Speaker 1: bring in Jeff Stoutlin and draft Lane Johnson. So and
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  Speaker 1: now the future of Lane Johnson is somewhat in question.
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  Speaker 1: As you know, the only coach he's ever played for
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  Speaker 1: is now not going to be his coach.
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  Speaker 2: I am with you.
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  Speaker 1: I actually reached out to someone who has ties to
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles organization, has been with the Eagles organization, and
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  Speaker 1: to your point, this person was shocked they had heard
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  Speaker 1: some of the same things about you, about Stalin's role
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  Speaker 1: and everything, but not this person said, this guy's relationship
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  Speaker 1: with the owner, Jeffrey Lourie is so tight that he
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  Speaker 1: had a hard time believing that it was going to
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  Speaker 1: end like this.
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  Speaker 2: Just abruptly like that.
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  Speaker 1: And so we're reacting instantly to this right now, and
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  Speaker 1: you're right, in the next twenty four to forty eight hours,
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  Speaker 1: we'll probably get a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: More information as to out all we will.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because first of all, a line coaches you
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  Speaker 3: and I know they're gonna want this job. Now, maybe Manion,
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  Speaker 3: from a schematic standpoint, things are going to change.
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  Speaker 4: They have to the running West Coast.
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  Speaker 3: As someone who's coaching that system, it's not like you
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  Speaker 3: won't run any gap scheme, but it's gonna be a
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  Speaker 3: lot more zone. You know, no, no, no way to
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  Speaker 3: know what right And oh god, that's all right. So
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  Speaker 3: let me tell you this, Jeff. Let let's tell the truth.
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  Speaker 3: On Stout and Motion, we haven't talked about in like
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  Speaker 3: three years. We've talked about support people forgot, but shame
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  Speaker 3: us for not bringing it up recently. The way we
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  Speaker 3: were told on Stout Motion is and he's not the
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  Speaker 3: only offensive line coach has an issue with it in
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  Speaker 3: terms of angles because when the edges move and the
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  Speaker 3: linebackers move, you have to you have to you have
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  Speaker 3: to worry about your angles angle blocking, or your angles
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  Speaker 3: the rush angles. You have to worry and o line
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  Speaker 3: coaches have to adjust to it. Suff just doesn't like it.
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  Speaker 3: That's what someone who would know told me, who kind
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  Speaker 3: of educated me on this stuff, because you know how
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  Speaker 3: that would I know anything about this.
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  Speaker 1: Stuff, right, So, yeah, motion causes a defense to shift,
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  Speaker 1: and then when the defense shifts, the blocking has to
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  Speaker 1: change because the linebackers and other guys are usually in
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  Speaker 1: a different spot from before the motion, so it changes it.
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  Speaker 3: Now, this line coach said, I don't like it either,
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  Speaker 3: because I'm just telling you because I know Stout.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of us know Stout mm hmm.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody loves him most one of the most beloved coaches
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  Speaker 3: in NFL history, not Eagles history only.
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  Speaker 4: He's just a wonderful human being.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: He has an advisor who is pretty sharp.
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  Speaker 3: Can't get into that who that is, but someone who's
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  Speaker 3: advised him for a while, and we'll fight for him.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, how he's been, how he's been
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  Speaker 3: one of the biggest supporters. Of fact, he probably had
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  Speaker 3: no other bigger supporter in the building than how he
• 4:27
  Speaker 3: mm hmm. You know how he lived the Chip Kelly thing.
• 4:30
  Speaker 3: You know what happened with Howie and Chip. But give
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  Speaker 3: as you said, give Chip credit, Dave Fipp and some
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  Speaker 3: of the sport whatever. Chip Kelly was mostly a disaster,
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  Speaker 3: but he actually did some good things. But getting back
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  Speaker 3: to Stout here, I'm stunned. I was not expecting this one.
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  Speaker 3: I I because you and I were on this last week.
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  Speaker 3: You know rumors and you know, are they going to
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  Speaker 3: masculate Stout?
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  Speaker 4: What are they gonna do? And you know how much
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  Speaker 4: power he is gonna have.
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  Speaker 3: We know if he came back to his line coach
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  Speaker 3: that all, he wasn't coming back with the run game coordinator.
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  Speaker 3: But or what still an on line coach? What's the difference.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, okay, you don't have the title. They're not
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  Speaker 3: gonna strip them with money, at least I don't think
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  Speaker 3: they did now that Who the hell? I didn't even
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  Speaker 3: think of that as I just said it. Maybe because
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  Speaker 3: if you're taking away the title, he's still the on
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  Speaker 3: line coach. It's apposed to be the old line coach,
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  Speaker 3: but he would help us on the run, game powering,
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  Speaker 3: time to ski and scheme, right.
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  Speaker 4: So I don't know. I'm just I'm just going through
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  Speaker 4: my mind.
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  Speaker 3: About what would happen, because I again I was not
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  Speaker 3: I'm reacting. We usually don't react. We give you the
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  Speaker 3: inf we tell you what this is, what we know.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going with what I know, but still being stunned
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  Speaker 3: by it. I'm I thought a week ago was gonna
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  Speaker 3: have like and again you don't. I'm trying to get
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  Speaker 3: to people understand this. Just because you people say, oh,
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  Speaker 3: there were ten coaching changes, they're going to get somebody.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't work like that. Coaches, head coaches and coordinators.
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  Speaker 3: They have deals done before they take the job. They go, hey,
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  Speaker 3: if I get this job, you're coming with me. You're
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  Speaker 3: my guy, right, So just understand that it doesn't work
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  Speaker 3: like that. That they're gonna wait and the timing is
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  Speaker 3: not good. He goes, I'm sure, man, you must know
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  Speaker 3: somebody how he's good at helping. Maybe Grizzar could help
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  Speaker 3: him on him again. The time to me is kind
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  Speaker 3: of stunnach.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know when we were talking to people a
• 6:13
  Speaker 1: couple of days ago about Vic Fangio, and you had
• 6:15
  Speaker 1: heard that there was coaches who were wondering about whether Fanji.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like anybody said, oh, and by the way, man,
• 6:21
  Speaker 1: you really should check on Jeff Setlin because this because,
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  Speaker 1: like you're saying, this was a surprise, a stock that
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  Speaker 1: sort of came out of left field for the team.
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  Speaker 1: And it'll be interesting to see what becomes of him.
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  Speaker 1: Does he take a year off, does he try to
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  Speaker 1: hang around. I know he's allowed to, uh sort of
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  Speaker 1: what play some kind of role with the organization, but
• 6:43
  Speaker 1: you know that teams are gonna come calling for him,
• 6:46
  Speaker 1: and they'll probably say things like it, hey, run your run,
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  Speaker 1: your run game, we'll take your run game. We know
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  Speaker 1: we don't do it their way. Then come on here.
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  Speaker 3: I mean the player development, Jeff, the player development with
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  Speaker 3: this guy?
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  Speaker 4: Ye are you?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, as you're saying, who wouldn't want this guy?
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  Speaker 3: You make a good point. I gms want the players developed.
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  Speaker 3: Head coaches want the players developed so they don't get fired.
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  Speaker 3: So stout is I mean you couldn't pay this guy enough? Yeah, honestly,
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  Speaker 3: I can get it, and we don't. I mean I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know this guy very well. I mean, I
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  Speaker 3: actually don't really know him. I know I know coaches
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  Speaker 3: who know him and other people. I say hello to
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  Speaker 3: him if I saw myself. But wegmans a couple of times.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, it's uh, there's going to be a
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  Speaker 3: lot of change more. Another thing I'll be honest about.
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  Speaker 3: I expected there are three or four coaches or net
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  Speaker 3: koutes everything, press game coordinator, whatever.
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  Speaker 4: But this is not one of the three or four
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  Speaker 4: I thought.
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  Speaker 3: Would be moving on I but this is on what
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  Speaker 3: you said. I just want people to understand it's not
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  Speaker 3: like this is that this all just Scott decided today
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  Speaker 3: that he wasn't gonna come back. These are conversations you're
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  Speaker 3: having with him about what his role will be, what's
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  Speaker 3: he comfortable with, what Kenny figure out way to make
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  Speaker 3: Manion happy. There's a scheme and and everything. It's just
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  Speaker 3: it's it's just not easy.
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  Speaker 2: It's not Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, is that my man Dave Burkett
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  Speaker 1: over your right shoulder behind you there?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there he is. Tom Jeff Mosher says, hey, so
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  Speaker 2: he got there. He is hello.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah he said he said hello. But I saw I
• 8:20
  Speaker 3: saw a guy Ryan Laife, Ma hade A great talk
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  Speaker 3: it has been. And I shook hands and then he
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  Speaker 3: and then he blew me off. No, I just kid
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  Speaker 3: I he had to go no, so b G No,
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  Speaker 3: No what other I haven't seen Actually I have not
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  Speaker 3: seen it. I know Jurgens is here, but I guess
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  Speaker 3: he didn't want to talk.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, well he probably he heard the news what happens? Yeah, so, Adam.
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  Speaker 2: One thing that really sticks out, though I'm sure he
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  Speaker 2: knew about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The the player development from Stout has been absolutely unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: No, you can't even match it.
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  Speaker 1: However, I know that you and I whenever we have
• 8:56
  Speaker 1: Greg cosel on and we talk about people who run
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  Speaker 1: the Shanahan scheme where the mixed a scheme, it always
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  Speaker 1: seems like the offensive line development is not as big
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  Speaker 1: of a deal as the offensive line symmetry and the
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  Speaker 1: way the runs schemes are. Because we're constantly saying, man,
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  Speaker 1: you can't find like other than Trent Williams for the
• 9:14
  Speaker 1: forty nine ers, who's great exactly, but the four other
• 9:17
  Speaker 1: guys are just like guys. The guys who make up
• 9:20
  Speaker 1: the RAMS line are like guy like you know. That's
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  Speaker 1: the thing with this this offense.
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  Speaker 2: Is you need a.
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  Speaker 4: Great point, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know, Yeah, it's a great point because Alaric Jackson, the
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  Speaker 3: Rams tackle, was an undrafted free agent okay high prayed
• 9:34
  Speaker 3: undrafted free agent tackle in NFL history.
• 9:37
  Speaker 4: And I mean Jonah Jackson didn't work out.
• 9:39
  Speaker 3: They pay them all that money, you know, they trade
• 9:41
  Speaker 3: to the Bears. It's it's it's what body types matching up.
• 9:46
  Speaker 3: Wasn't a great player?
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: How about the jackar Dever the Jaguars, you would say
• 9:51
  Speaker 1: their weakness was their whole line, and they won thirteen
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  Speaker 1: games behind Liam Cohen.
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  Speaker 4: Who's in the game coaching matters. Man, Yeah, players one
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  Speaker 4: coaching one A.
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  Speaker 3: You can don't let anyone foil you can't have one
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  Speaker 3: with the other to be a Super Bowl champion. But
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  Speaker 3: Stout will go down as one of the most important
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  Speaker 3: coaches at Eagles history.
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  Speaker 4: And I don't know what else to say.
• 10:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, we'll get more and we'll certainly address
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: this more on some further podcasts. I joked with a
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  Speaker 1: friend Adam, that you know this, this sort of feels
• 10:20
  Speaker 1: like the scene in Goodfellas after the Lusanza heist where
• 10:23
  Speaker 1: everybody starts winding up dead like.
• 10:24
  Speaker 2: Batulo is gone.
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: Then we now we know Scott Loefler, he's gonna be
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: gone because they're talking to quarterback coach candidates. And then,
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: of course, but now Stout's gone, and and I imagine
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: there will be more changes for this Eagles offensive staff,
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: and I know you know that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no Petula.
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  Speaker 3: And what we were told is that he was actually
• 10:43
  Speaker 3: offered a job me sort of like I don't know
• 10:45
  Speaker 3: what the title, chief of staff.
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  Speaker 4: It's just to help Nick out.
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  Speaker 3: Which he definitely needs, but more administrative because part of
• 10:53
  Speaker 3: it when he was the pass game coordinator, he did
• 10:55
  Speaker 3: some stuff administratively for Nick, we're told, but you know
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  Speaker 3: left flow, he's.
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  Speaker 4: Not coming back as quarterback coach. I know that.
• 11:03
  Speaker 3: I mean I talked to a couple of coaching agents
• 11:04
  Speaker 3: who quarterback coaches. They're trying to get their guys interviewed.
• 11:08
  Speaker 3: And there's a scoop up from NFL network on Greg Olsen.
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  Speaker 3: Huh is that out there?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: So the Eagles to talk to two quarterback coach candidates,
• 11:16
  Speaker 1: obviously Greg Olsen and then a younger kid, a thirty
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: year old kid from Arizona named I just forgot his
• 11:24
  Speaker 1: name all of a sudden. Singer is his last name
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: and yeah, so they're obviously looking for Greg Olsen Connor Singer.
• 11:33
  Speaker 1: Connor Singer is the guy from Arizona, Okay. Greg Olsen
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  Speaker 1: is a guy who has ties to Manion. First of all,
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: greg Olsen's been coaching in the NFL, as you know,
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  Speaker 1: since two thousand and one. He's sixty something sixty years old.
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  Speaker 1: He's been on on eight different teams. He's been with
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: the Raiders three times, the Rams twice, and he's been
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: in two spots where Manyon was when Manion was playing,
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  Speaker 1: So there's a tie there.
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  Speaker 3: He is a legendary coach. I know coaches an know him.
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  Speaker 3: Tell me that he coaches hard.
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  Speaker 4: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: His his daughter is actually an incredible volleyball player. I
• 12:08
  Speaker 3: just know it's back when I've checked into it before.
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  Speaker 3: I know coaches that coach with with the Rams, so
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  Speaker 3: I kind of know a little bit about him, but
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  Speaker 3: it would be a great get.
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  Speaker 4: I guess he knows Manyon.
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  Speaker 1: You're telling me, Uh, yeah, he coached with the Rams
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  Speaker 1: in two thousand and I want to say eighteen or
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  Speaker 1: nineteen when Many was Manyon's second year.
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  Speaker 2: He was coaching under.
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  Speaker 1: McVeigh there and then in Seattle under Waldron. He was
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  Speaker 1: the quarterbacks coach one year. And that's a year that
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: Many was only there for like a like three weeks
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  Speaker 1: because he started off with Minnesota and then finished up
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  Speaker 1: with Seattle.
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  Speaker 2: But he's been around him that there's a tie there.
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  Speaker 1: And as you know, I don't have to tell you this,
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: but Olson has been with all the West coast guys.
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  Speaker 2: He's been with John Gruden.
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: He's been with Mariucci, he's been with McVeigh, he's been with.
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  Speaker 4: He was he was Dark Cars.
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  Speaker 3: Oh see, I know that up twenty fourteen, twenty thirteen,
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  Speaker 3: something like that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think he was even with Marinelli in
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  Speaker 1: with the Detroit No, no, Lenahan in Detroit, who's not
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  Speaker 1: necessarily West coast.
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  Speaker 4: Wow. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But but the point is he's very familiar with Marinella.
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  Speaker 4: Mariucci's West Coast. No, he's Mariucci.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I meant Linahan. I don't think Lenahan is.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah he's not. But he was with he
• 13:22
  Speaker 4: developed Lke Bortles a little bit when Bortals.
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  Speaker 3: Had to blow up a year that won crazy year
• 13:25
  Speaker 3: he had whether throwing like crazy Al Robinson. Great, No,
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  Speaker 3: it's uh, that's it's always because remember we were trying
• 13:34
  Speaker 3: to find who does he know?
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  Speaker 4: This has a got a good call by you that
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  Speaker 4: that's that's who he knows.
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  Speaker 2: There you go, yeah, yeah, so he knows the system.
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  Speaker 2: He's been around many in a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: And I think more importantly if they wind up bringing
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  Speaker 1: him in, is what you just said.
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  Speaker 2: This guy's a let. I mean, he's been coaching for
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: almost thirty years.
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  Speaker 1: He's really really in all of these years, he's always
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: either been offensive coordinator, quarterbacks coach, or assistant head coach.
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  Speaker 1: This is not like for the last twenty five years
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  Speaker 1: he's had a very prominent position. This is not some
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  Speaker 1: guy like Manion right who has no experience, who has
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  Speaker 1: only been quality control.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is a dude for offense.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah wow.
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  Speaker 3: I mean to see where he is from, but this
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  Speaker 3: is kind of he's coached a lot on the West Coast,
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  Speaker 3: kind of a you know, maybe he's tied with Manion. I'm,
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  Speaker 3: you know, not sure about that, but the fact that
• 14:18
  Speaker 3: Manion would like to have him is fascinating.
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  Speaker 4: Right now.
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  Speaker 1: The only other tie with the other guy from Arizona, Senger,
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: who is a fast riser. I mean he's gone from
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: Fellowship to quality control to quarterbacks coach to pass game
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  Speaker 1: coordinator in four years. Okay, that's it. He's got no
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: other coaching experience in the NFL. He he has no
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  Speaker 1: tie to Manion that I know of, other than last week.
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  Speaker 1: They were both coaching at the East West Shrine Bowl
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  Speaker 1: and Manion was the offensive coordinator for the East and
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: Sanger was the offensive coordinator for the West. So I'm
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: guessing they spent a lot of time together last week,
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: got to know each other, and he's just bringing him
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: in to say, to get an interview and find out
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: more about Hi.
• 15:00
  Speaker 4: Smart.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: Look.
• 15:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the only negative is they've too much.
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: They're getting too young with the influencers with their offense.
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: PGC one years and pgc's thirty five years old. Brazard,
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: the the OC's thirty three.
• 15:17
  Speaker 4: It's only be thirty. You're in coaching.
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: And the kid that you're talking about from Arizona, they
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: need a bit, They need someone from a Stenier standpoint. Actually,
• 15:24
  Speaker 3: what they ought to do is get Aultates a senior
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: offensive assistant to help these kids. Man and Nick needs
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: it also needs help. They need they need older people.
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: I can't believe up saying this like Leffler, I don't
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: know how old he's got to be.
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: He must be around fifty or something. We'll see what happens.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: We will see it happens. I agree with you.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: It's a major, major change, and I think it's so
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: much change for an organization that Howie Roseman said just
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: to last month, this is an urgency to win organization.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: They're not refreshed. This is not in their minds a
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: reset or refresh. It might be for the offense, but
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: they expect to win. But to your and you've made
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: this point and I echo it like this stuff sometimes
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: takes time. They're learning entirely new offense, new concept stuff
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: they haven't done before. And now they've got like coaches
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: who have been in the building for a long long
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: time who are not gonna be there, who are not
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: gonna be have those relationships.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: It is going to be.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: A very very interesting offseason and then training camp for
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: this team.
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: And it's I.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: Can understand why people would say, wait a minute, how
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: can you be win now and then make all these
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: sweeping changes. But I'll tell you what, Adam. The spotlights
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: on Nick and Jalen here, I mean they it couldn't
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: get it couldn't get hot hotter on them as far
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: as the spotlight shining on them, saying you got to
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: perform this year.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: You know, it's a shame Leffler from what I'm told,
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: develop the good relationship with Hurts again. I know he
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: doesn't know. I understand that when you don't know somebody.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: I'm not defending Hurts, but there's so much change for
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: this guy.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's tough. You know what.
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: I want to Mac Jones this here, I want to
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: talk to him tomorrow.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: I'm gona try grab him, try to get him on
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: ninety seven to three when I'm on is he obviously
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: the connection and what it's like and you have a
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: lot of change for Brian Hoyer's here, who we know
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: is put on our show.
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: He went through in New England. He went through it.
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: But this is some precedent. How much change Hurts is having.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: I'm not depending.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: I'm just trying to figure out how you get him
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: to take the next step when you have so much
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: change and he's you know, and he and here's again, folks,
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: to finish us off. He doesn't play with timing. How
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: do you get how do you get him to play faster?
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: With two young coaches that's never will never developed the quarterback.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: You're right, You're absolutely right. Anyway, by the.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Way, I heard Jeff Garcia on with our Friends at
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: ninety seven three years Oh is he good? First of all,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Jeff could probably afford he might need to switch the decalf. Secondly,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: he said he called because he he was with man Yon.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: He was an assistant coach one on mcveigh's team a
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: couple of years ago.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: I think he said maybe like a Scott was he
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: an intern or.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, some low level coaching with someone and he got
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: to he said, Mannion was there at the time, so he's.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: He's got to know him.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: And he called the Eagles recently, he said, both the
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: head coach and and Howie to say, hey, I would
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: like to come help out. I know this offense like
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: the back of my hand, and nobody's calling him back.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: He said, So.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: You know, here you got a guy who's a veteran
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: guy who's probably could be really knowledgeable.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: But there there's there's yeah Garcie about his his It's
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: actually a great series and Vice channel real quick, you
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: guys could watch it. It's on the Giants Niners playoff
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: game when the Niners came from way back, maybe around
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: twenty points. I said, Jeff, you did an unbelievable I
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: talked to like thirty seconds.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's the trade junking game.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: Okay, I I think it was yep, but they didn't
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: really talk about junkin. That's why I thought it was odd.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: Oh they had a big comeback. Yeah, I don't know.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: But anyway, a lot of change here coming for the
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: Eagles offensive coaching staff. It sounds like out there what
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: we're hearing, we'll see. We'll just see what happens that one.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm kind of blown away because I you know,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: I can't go in all of it. But nothing I
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: heard which Justin's gonna happen. But that's why I think
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: it's sort of a like, okay, give and take. What
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: could we do to get him back?
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: Right? What's he willing to do? I don't know. We're
• 19:23
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  Speaker 1: on your day so far in San Francisco.
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  Speaker 2: Anything exciting?
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's always cool.
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  Speaker 3: Now it's much smaller here at the Moscone Center, apparently,
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  Speaker 3: Matt Mayoko told me last time I was here at fifteen,
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  Speaker 3: it was in another one of the convention halls.
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  Speaker 4: It was way bigger, twice as big as this. It's
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: very tight.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Now, what's helping it helped us is Mike Gill's table
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  Speaker 3: from nine to seven to three is right in the middle.
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  Speaker 3: So I ran into Rodney Harrison's agent, Steve Felban, who
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  Speaker 3: had Corey Dillon. He was one of the he was
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: like the rosen ass of his days in the seventies.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: Now, yeah, I saw.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: I've seen so many people that I know in the
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: media business or the NFL business.
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: It's great because this table's right here. You can't you're not.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: That's why Mike and I told Mike nothing will beat
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: the MTT Smith.
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  Speaker 3: Interview last year that we did with him. I set in. Yeah,
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: I thought I could. I could have done two hours
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: of Emma Smith. She's so pissed off. He was so
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  Speaker 3: pissed and still is Jerry Jones and the Cowboy for
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: their mismanagement.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Yep, I was laughing.
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I couldn't believe it what he was saying.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's great.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: You know you've been here all the time.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah great, that's before they created Michaeh Parsons. So you
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: know it's crazy, Oh my god, yeah, I know.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: But I usually who was the edge Rusher because I
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: I didn't have time to look it up. I did
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: an interview with him for Sportsbord two years ago, two
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: or three. He played for the Browns and the Eagles
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: suit intructure. Maybe he was here in like twenty eighteen off.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Hammy eighteen Browns and super nice guy.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: I vibe with this guy big time.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Were usually really good on that. And now I'm drawing
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: about Oh, I know it wasn't Bennett.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: It wasn't Michael Bennett.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Oh man, he soigned.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: A pretty sizable deal. I I don't know if he
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: was hurt in his career, but he was super cool.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: You guys all remember it. I'm not looking it up.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: But you said, by the way you said twenty eighteen,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: you think.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: Eighteen it was after they won the Super Bowl. Yeah, okay,
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: I'm reasonably sure of it.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah I can no, no, no, it was Jackson, the
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• 24:40
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry. What was his first name?
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: The guy who was Oh he had so many tattoos?
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: What was his name?
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: I loved that?
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: He uh?
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: He hot her? Oh man, he.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: Had list he had neck or list frock. I couldn't remember.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, give me one second, oh Man.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: Look it up, William. But I love this guy. He
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: was hilarious. Oh he wants to see both with Denver, didnt.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, I made money with Cleveland.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And to my yes, it was and I can't
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: can't think of it.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: Uh, you're all gonna.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: It's gonna be the comment. He was so funny. And
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: that's the thing. That's why he answer question with his lung.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: That's why I love being here because I meet players
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: and coaches. Mike Smith's gonna come on our show for
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: a Falcus head coach.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: I love Smitty. He's great.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: He was a last year. We talked to him.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's one of the nicest human beings you met
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: you could ever meet.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, a Q.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: Shipley's gonna come on our show. A Q, I don't know.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: It's the first time I ever talked. But he knows
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: you Penn State. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, we covered comcasts.
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: He goes, oh, I know him when he used to
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: cover cover me from He didn't know what which outlet
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: you work for? No, this is why you come for
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: for connecting. Uh, at least Stiberg comes to your legendary
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: agent you name it. You'll see actors and actresses. I've
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: met movie stars yeah, you just now, I would say this,
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: A lot of podcasters, fewer and fewer radio stations come
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: here now because the business has changed. They can't, they won't,
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: they can't afford it. It's this is a union place.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: You got to pay union fees. Should have people help.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: It's it's a lot of money, man.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. They don't even call it radio row anymore. It's
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: media row because it's more right.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Right now, we did the bench Ben Ben Watson interview
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: because he said, I said, you know why they do
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: it called media because you've got college students do podcasting.
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: Yep, yeah, it's it's it's fine.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: It's all good, you know, yeah, no more than all right,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: good stuff.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: I missed being out there, but you know, stay back
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: here and take care of everything.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: So you will.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: We'll end it on that and again on the eighth
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: year anniversary of the Eagles winning their first Super Bowl.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Isn't so great? They lose Jeff Stealin, So we'll get
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: more as we go along. That's gonna do it for
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: this episode of Inside the Birds of the Leading podcast
• 26:56
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