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Normally Podcast: The Role of Celebrities in Politics · Normally

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Speaker 1: Hey guys, and welcome to Normally, the podcast with normalist
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Speaker 1: takes for when the news gets weird. I'm Mary Catherine
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Speaker 1: Ham now I'm Carol Markowitz, and we are so excited
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Speaker 1: we're just getting our feet under us with Normally, but
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Speaker 1: of people who downloaded the first episode of the podcast.
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Speaker 1: Very nice. So all you normies who are here listening,
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Speaker 1: we appreciate you and the almost normies. We're glad to
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Speaker 1: have you with us on this journey.
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Speaker 2: Well said MK, I love it. Yeah, We're so happy
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Speaker 2: to have you all. We're going to get right into
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Speaker 2: it today. We're going to talk about a Wall Street
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Speaker 2: Journal article about how homelessness numbers are way way up.
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Speaker 2: The Wall Street Journal reports that in twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 2: we had the highest number since the time that the
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Speaker 2: government started reporting this data in two thousand and seven,
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Speaker 2: and that this number is going up because of homeless migrants.
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Speaker 2: The Wall Street Journal rights migrants bust by Texas to
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Speaker 2: Chicago and Denver contributed to the latest increases when they
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Speaker 2: land in shelters there. Migrants have arrived in significant numbers
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Speaker 2: in New York, which has long had, of course a
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Speaker 2: legal right to shelter, swelling numbers in last year's count.
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Speaker 2: Now they add the latest homeless accounts were largely done
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Speaker 2: in January, just after the US set a record for
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Speaker 2: illegal border crossing. This is really personal and annoying to me.
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Speaker 2: I am an immigrant, and it's insane to me that
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Speaker 2: we allow this illegal immigration problem to fester and that
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Speaker 2: it ends up hitting our streets in the number of
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Speaker 2: homeless people who live on you know, intents, on our blocks.
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Speaker 2: I came to this country as a refugee from the
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Speaker 2: Soviet Union in the late nineteen seventies, and part of
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Speaker 2: the process was that somebody had to vouch for our
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Speaker 2: family that we would not be a drain on public funds.
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Speaker 2: And the idea that you get to America and you say, okay,
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Speaker 2: take care of us was out of the question. It's
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Speaker 2: really the stark and a problem to me that we've
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Speaker 2: moved so far away from that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we moved so far away from that that to
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Speaker 1: even say out loud that maybe there should be a
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Speaker 1: system by which we regulate exactly who comes into which
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Speaker 1: cities and in what numbers and for what reasons. I
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Speaker 1: believe Jamie Diamond recently said that there should be more
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Speaker 1: merit based immigration, and it's caused a big to do
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Speaker 1: because apparently you're just not allowed to say that part right.
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Speaker 1: But the fact is that this has real effects on
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Speaker 1: cities and the citizens of those cities, and they should
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Speaker 1: have a say in it. There's a friend of mine
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Speaker 1: lives in Denver, and the amount of money explicitly being
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Speaker 1: that the mayor plans to take from other budgets to
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Speaker 1: cover the homeless migrant issue and to support the influx
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Speaker 1: of migrants is crazy. This is from the spring, and
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Speaker 1: there's been an ensuing fight over it. But Denver may
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Speaker 1: Or Mike Johnson planning to cut forty five million from
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Speaker 1: city agencies, including the police, to help fund a program
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Speaker 1: to deal with a recent influx of migrants. This is
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Speaker 1: Newsweek reporting. He's a Democrat, and now he announced that
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Speaker 1: the Colorida Capital was budgeting eighty nine point nine million
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Speaker 1: to respond to the newcomer crisis, and then it would
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Speaker 1: cut approximately one point nine percent or eight point four
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Speaker 1: million from getting new recruits former police and fire departments.
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Speaker 1: That's like, these are things that will affect citizens. There
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Speaker 1: are public facilities they're not able to use because of
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Speaker 1: this situation.
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Speaker 2: Right, and I just want to make the point that
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Speaker 2: none of this is pro immigrant. Let's roll the clip
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Speaker 2: from Buck Sexton on Clay and Buck our faves.
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Speaker 3: This is from Grillly, Colorado, not in Ohio. A human
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Speaker 3: resource to supervisor for JBS arranged some of the immigrant
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Speaker 3: workers to stay at a motel a mile down the
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Speaker 3: road where they live for weeks on end. They slept
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Speaker 3: on the floor to a room, cooked meals on hot
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Speaker 3: plates on the carpet, burned up the carpets. By the way,
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Speaker 3: forty thousand dollars of damage in the hotel. People slept
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Speaker 3: on the floors. Thirty people living in this fo or
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Speaker 3: five bedroom house with two bathrooms. Thirty people charged sixty
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Speaker 3: dollars a week in rent. Some workers said they couldn't
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Speaker 3: bear to tell loved ones in Haiti about the conditions.
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Speaker 3: You know, when people talk about all migrants and doing
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Speaker 3: the jobs we won't do, and they're so helpful to
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Speaker 3: the community and stuff, there's massive exploitation. And by the way,
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Speaker 3: the cost that isn't born by these companies that are
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Speaker 3: underpaying and maltreating these workers are born by society with
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Speaker 3: public services, with welfare and hospital emergency rooms and public
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Speaker 3: schools that have to figure out sixty languages.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that none of that is good and none of
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Speaker 2: that is pro immigrant, and the fact that we continue
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Speaker 2: to allow that to happen, I mean the Haiti line
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Speaker 2: that they didn't want to tell their relatives back in
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Speaker 2: Haiti how badly.
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Speaker 1: They were living.
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Speaker 2: It's a real problem, and I don't know what the
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Speaker 2: solution is going to be. I know, you know, Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump talks about mass deportations. I'd love to hear more
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Speaker 2: about how that would work, because it seems quite difficult
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Speaker 2: because of the bind we've got ourselves in.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we've got ourselves in a bind because there
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Speaker 1: was a policy of letting extraordinary numbers, historic numbers come across, which,
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Speaker 1: as Buck points out, leads to really vulnerable situations, particularly
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Speaker 1: for minors who are coming to the border and then
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Speaker 1: coming into the country. There's been reporting on that it's
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Speaker 1: not compassionate when those things happen that way, and whether
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Speaker 1: it's homelessness or open drug markets or any of these issues,
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Speaker 1: ignoring it and encouraging it will not solve the problem.
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Speaker 1: Like having a bunch more people and giving hotels to
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Speaker 1: them doesn't solve the housing supply problem that a bunch
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Speaker 1: of people are concerned about. That in fact makes it worse.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know. And as we talk about this, all
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Speaker 2: I can think of is, what does Taylor Swift think
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Speaker 2: about this? I just want to know. I need to
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Speaker 2: know a celebrity take on this, because clearly there are betters.
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Speaker 1: You know what, I've got something even better than a
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Speaker 1: celebrity take for you, and that is a celebrity who
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Speaker 1: thinks celebrity takes are lame.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I like it.
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Speaker 1: So far. All Williams, who by the way, I share
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Speaker 1: a birthday with, said he would be happier if a
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Speaker 1: lot of celebrities celebrities just sort of kept their mouths shut.
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Speaker 1: In an interview published the day after the September tenth
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Speaker 1: debate between Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Trump,
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Speaker 1: the multi hyphen musician told the Hollywood Reporter he was
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Speaker 1: often quote annoyed by celebrity political endorsements. There are celebrities
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Speaker 1: that I respect that have an opinion, but not all
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Speaker 1: of them, he said. I'm one of them who says,
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Speaker 1: what the heck, shut up? Nobody asked you. I love it.
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Speaker 2: How much trouble is he going to get into for that?
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, because the news cycle is so crazy,
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Speaker 1: maybe he'll get a pass on this one. But I
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Speaker 1: enjoyed it. There was another passing comment by Chapel Rohne,
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Speaker 1: who said, basically, both sides are bad and I don't
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Speaker 1: like the government, which is something that I think both
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Speaker 1: you and I can get behind.
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Speaker 2: Right, But she did get in trouble, and she did
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Speaker 2: try to come out and say I'm not voting for
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump because, as we all know, when somebody doesn't
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Speaker 2: talk politics, it's usually because they're a Republican.
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Speaker 1: Right, So she got blowback because it's like it's allegedly
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Speaker 1: a cop out to say that both sides are bad,
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Speaker 1: even though both sides can be bad and the government
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Speaker 1: is bad. Sure, sure, right.
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Speaker 2: You know, I love the idea of celebrities staying out
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Speaker 2: of politics, and I hope that more celebrities follow that lead.
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Speaker 2: I don't think they will because it's a very it's
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Speaker 2: a very alluring game. This I support the current thing
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Speaker 2: is very popular to say out loud, and Kamala Harris
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Speaker 2: is the current thing, so she has you know, again,
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Speaker 2: Taylor Swift Jennifer Lopez. I mean, I don't know Ben Stiller,
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Speaker 2: whoever else. All these celebrities are lining up to say
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Speaker 2: I am with the majority on this majority of celebrities,
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Speaker 2: and I do not take any unusual or questionable stanzas.
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Speaker 2: Please don't punish me.
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Speaker 1: Well, And as we talked yesterday, we talked on Clay
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Speaker 1: and Bucks Show about maybe not listening to celebrities at
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Speaker 1: all because given the many things they see behind the scenes,
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Speaker 1: or something like the fallout of the Ditty case, maybe
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Speaker 1: these people do not have the best judgment and they're
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Speaker 1: not the ones from whom you should be taking advice.
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Speaker 2: That's right, you know another I think you and I
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Speaker 2: talked about it also, but Patrick Mahomes doesn't really talk politics,
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Speaker 2: and that really bothers people. Yeah, I think that he
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Speaker 2: gets a lot of abuse for not saying, you know,
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Speaker 2: not telling his wife to stop liking Trump tweets or
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Speaker 2: whatever she is that little ladies up to.
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Speaker 1: Brittany Mahomes has been subject to some wild backlash for
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Speaker 1: merely liking a Trump social media post, including by the
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Speaker 1: way Sunny Hasten on the View going after her her
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Speaker 1: multi racial children and saying that she was betraying them
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Speaker 1: by like a social media post. In fact, let's play
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Speaker 1: that clip also, And yeah, that.
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Speaker 2: Doesn't make me hopeful.
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Speaker 4: Actually this this, this effect will speak to more women
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Speaker 4: about the true character of Donald Trump and and and
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Speaker 4: will turn them away. But to your initial point, I
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Speaker 4: know you said we weren't going to talk about it,
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Speaker 4: but I was. It just seems to me that since
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Speaker 4: she is in an interracial marriage, she should have known
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Speaker 4: that to support a racist is problematic. Her children are
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Speaker 4: are biracial, and her family is one of the families
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Speaker 4: that in the seventies could not have lived in any
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Speaker 4: of Donald Trump's buildings.
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Speaker 1: So it just.
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Speaker 4: Seems to me that maybe she's just not that politically savvy,
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Speaker 4: or maybe she's just not ready granted. But all we
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Speaker 4: know is that she liked a Trump post.
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Speaker 1: We don't know. She hasn't say it she.
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Speaker 4: Supported him, but that's fair to interpret that she may have,
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Speaker 4: but we don't know that she's a supporter.
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Speaker 1: That's a why old jump from someone liking a social
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Speaker 1: media post. And I do want to say I don't.
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Speaker 1: I don't hate on celebrities when they endorse somebody. I
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Speaker 1: get it. It didn't surprise me about Taylor Swift. I
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Speaker 1: like that in her real life, Taylor Swift has not
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Speaker 1: abandoned Brittany Mahomes. Yeah right, she hasn't decided that that's
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Speaker 1: the bright line for her. And I think that's a
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Speaker 1: healthy way of operating, right.
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Speaker 2: I fully agree. Look, I don't love all of Taylor
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Speaker 2: Swift's friends. She's good friends with the Hadid sisters, who
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Speaker 2: you know, are really Israel hating. But you know, I
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Speaker 2: think that you can have people in your life with
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Speaker 2: whom you have agreement and disagreement. I like that she's
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Speaker 2: still friends with Britney Holmes and Mahomes. Sorry, and yeah,
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Speaker 2: that's great. I think that that's the.
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Speaker 1: Way to go. By the way, I have a little
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Speaker 1: Do you have a Swifty in your house?
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Speaker 2: Oh, yes, I do. I have a fourteen year old Swifty.
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Speaker 1: I have burgeoning Swifties in my house. So they're just
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Speaker 1: sort of getting into but they really enjoy her. And
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Speaker 1: I also, I'm a bit agnostic too positive on her.
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Speaker 1: I like her. There's a lot of bops. I'm here
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Speaker 1: for it.
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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, But I do do a very stereotypical mom thing,
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Speaker 5: which is to ruin my children's fun by talking them
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Speaker 5: through the lyrics of each song, and I'm like, do
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Speaker 5: we think he really does belong with her?
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Speaker 1: Right?
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Speaker 2: That's really good?
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Speaker 1: I should do that, Yes, can we What are the
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Speaker 1: ethical implications of hanging out with this other young lady's boyfriend?
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Speaker 1: So often? Do we think? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: And they're like, oh, you know, and when they get older,
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Speaker 2: you're like, you know, she's she's up at midnight, she's
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Speaker 2: looking up ex boyfriends.
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Speaker 1: Like, we don't do that. Maybe you know, she needs to.
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Speaker 2: Calm down a little bit. That's also a line from
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Speaker 2: songs My daughter does this thing. Also, Like I was like,
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Speaker 2: I don't think I like Chapel Roone and she's like,
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Speaker 2: you actually love Chapel Roone and love all her songs
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Speaker 2: and listed all her songs and I was like, oh, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I do love all those.
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Speaker 1: Well, maybe you're right, very good songs.
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Speaker 4: You know.
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Speaker 1: Good luck, babe. See this is what they can teach
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Speaker 1: us and we can teach them.
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Speaker 2: You know. Well, we have had the conversation of you
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Speaker 2: can like Taylor Swift and have different opinions than her
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Speaker 2: on lots of things and don't worry about that. That's
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Speaker 2: a normal thing. You could be a really big fan,
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Speaker 2: and you know, I mentioned this, you know, I think
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Speaker 2: also on Clay and Buck, but or on Dave Rubin Show,
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Speaker 2: but Stool President's his name. Dave Portne, huge Taylor Swift fan,
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Speaker 2: was like when he heard the news that she was
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Speaker 2: voting for Kamala, he said, Okay, well I'm voting for
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Speaker 2: the other guy. And he's like really a really really
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Speaker 2: big fan, and I was like, look, you know, people
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Speaker 2: can like whatever they want, and you could have whatever
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Speaker 2: opinions they don't.
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Speaker 1: Have revolutionary I like it. I feel like there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of cautionary tales in the Taylor Swift lyric catalog
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Speaker 1: and also some really beautiful stuff. So we're learning as
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Speaker 1: we go. Shall we do In case you missed it?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to have this segment every Thursday.
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Speaker 1: Every Thursday, we're going to try to hit this because
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of news that we feel like should
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Speaker 1: be more covered than it is. And Carol's got our
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Speaker 1: in case you missed it for this week.
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Speaker 2: So I think there's quite a big one this week,
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Speaker 2: the fact that President Trump was nearly assassinated for the
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Speaker 2: second time, and how the news media has decided to
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Speaker 2: just move on from that. I think it's important to
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Speaker 2: say again that it would be a wildly different story
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Speaker 2: if it was a Democratic nominee, who, again, god forbid,
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Speaker 2: was a target of two assassination attempts. But the Democrats
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Speaker 2: and the media, I mean, I repeat myself, I've decided
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Speaker 2: that Trump nearly getting killed just helps Trump too much.
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Speaker 2: So they're really quiet about it. They don't talk about it.
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Speaker 2: How do we know so little about both men? I mean, Ruth,
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Speaker 2: the last would be shooter had given multiple interviews to
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Speaker 2: major outlets. We should have a lot more information than
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Speaker 2: we do. Yet we know zero. We don't know if
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Speaker 2: he had help, if he acted alone. We don't know
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Speaker 2: how he set himself up to do that. We have
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Speaker 2: almost no information.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is very differently covered than if it were
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Speaker 1: the other way around. There's also some confirmed intelligence about
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Speaker 1: the Iranian regime having plans to assassinate Donald Trump. These
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Speaker 1: three pieces large pieces of information combined seemed to me
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Speaker 1: to be a pretty important storyline in this free American
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Speaker 1: election we are trying to have without foreign interference or
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Speaker 1: someone being killed, and yet it's not the story that
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Speaker 1: dominates the headlines. We did get some update recently, so
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Speaker 1: the Senate has finally released a report reviewing the Secret
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Speaker 1: Services failings from July thirteenth, But the Secret Service itself
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Speaker 1: still has not turned in its book report on what
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Speaker 1: went wrong that day. I think I believe it's given
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Speaker 1: a preliminary report. The Senate's pretty mad that it hasn't
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Speaker 1: gotten full information from them. And then we did have
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Speaker 1: the update that the DOJ is is going for pretty
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Speaker 1: large charges against Ruth. I believe it's the in a
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Speaker 1: charge of actual attempted murder by assassination. But in the
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Speaker 1: court filings, did you see this? The DOJ released a
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Speaker 1: letter that Ruth had written and given to a friend
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Speaker 1: that says, this was an attempt to assassinate Donald Trump
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Speaker 1: and I'm sorry I failed, and I'm offering one hundred
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Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars to whomever can get the job done. Now,
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Speaker 1: they don't know if that was referring to this particular
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Speaker 1: assassination or some other attempt he might have tried.
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Speaker 2: Imagine, imagine he had a different attempt that we don't
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Speaker 2: even know about.
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Speaker 1: Well, how did he know he was going to fail
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Speaker 1: in the attempt before it happened? So they had this letter,
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Speaker 1: it's in public court documents. Bill Barr, former head of
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Speaker 1: the DJ was like, why are they printing a bounty
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Speaker 1: letter for Wise?
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Speaker 2: Really?
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Speaker 1: Does it seems oud Wise? So we do have the
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Speaker 1: fact that he's at least being charged right now and
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Speaker 1: held obviously without bail. But yeah, I don't think the
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Speaker 1: seriousness of this is being contemplated at all.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that you're exactly right. I know people
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Speaker 2: who are just afraid, afraid of what's going to happen.
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Speaker 2: God forbid anybody succeeds at taking a shot at him.
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Speaker 2: It's really a touchy time in America overall, and if
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Speaker 2: anything happens to either represidential candidates, I'm afraid to think
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Speaker 2: of what that will do to the country.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do wonder if people don't just have not
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Speaker 1: contemplated how badly that could go and how I mean,
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Speaker 1: we're already on a knife sedge with public trust, and
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Speaker 1: if something like that, something so shattering and toxic happened
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Speaker 1: like that, how bad it would be for the fabric
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Speaker 1: that's already sort of tearing around here. We're afraid, We're
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Speaker 1: very I mean, I felt very lucky that the country
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Speaker 1: was very blessed that Trump got out of that first,
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Speaker 1: very very close call. This second one has been downplayed
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Speaker 1: quite a bit, but I don't think it should be
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Speaker 1: because he had apparently, according to the indictment, been pinging
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Speaker 1: off cell towers there for quite some time. He had
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Speaker 1: marked days that Trump was at the golf course or
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Speaker 1: at other events where he thought he might be, So
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Speaker 1: he had a lot of ideas, and he was.
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Speaker 2: In hours him.
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Speaker 1: He was in a position to hit him when he
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Speaker 1: eventually got there, if the Secret Service had not intervened,
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Speaker 1: which thank goodness for that guy doing his job extremely well,
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Speaker 1: and he was sweeping. But this is this is really
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Speaker 1: dangerous stuff. And then you watch him on the trail.
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Speaker 1: You know he's not doing as many rallies he has
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Speaker 1: to be in his popemobiles, bulletproof glass situation. He's been
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Speaker 1: handicapped by these attempts usually the exact opposite of what
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Speaker 1: we want in a free society exactly.
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Speaker 2: You know. I have to say that when Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: first announced in twenty sixteen, I was like, Oh, he's
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Speaker 2: gonna hate campaigning because he was known in New York
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Speaker 2: as like a germophobe and like shaking hands. It was
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Speaker 2: like a thing that people knew about him. And I
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Speaker 2: think what really has surprised me in the time since then,
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Speaker 2: is how much he actually does love being with people.
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Speaker 2: He likes going into the fast food restaurants. He paid
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Speaker 2: for woman's groceries the other day.
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Speaker 1: That was a good moment.
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Speaker 2: He genuinely enjoys the hobdobbing, which I did not see
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Speaker 2: coming at all, And the fact that he has to
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Speaker 2: limit that, the fact that he has limited something that
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Speaker 2: makes him more likable, more relatable to people, is really unfortunate.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we want both of these candidates to have as
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Speaker 1: much access to the public as possible. Now, Kamala Harris
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Speaker 1: sort of declines to have access to anyone ever, but
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Speaker 1: I want her to be able to do the things
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Speaker 1: she wants to be able to do in public, which
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Speaker 1: is another reason we need the Secret Services report on
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Speaker 1: this asap so we can figure out how to do that. Well.
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Speaker 1: By the way, yeah, Carol, in our first episode of Normally,
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Speaker 1: we got some results because Carol mentioned that Stephanie Ruhle,
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Speaker 1: who's the MSNBC anchor who said on Bill Maher, Hey,
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Speaker 1: it's nirvana if you imagine this woman's going to take
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Speaker 1: hard questions, and she shouldn't have to take hard questions
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Speaker 1: because we already know that we don't like Donald Trump.
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Speaker 1: There you go so easy. So what happened after that? Carol?
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Speaker 1: You said maybe Stephanie Rule should get an interview. That's right.
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Speaker 2: So did she get the interview because she doesn't think
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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris should have to face tough questions? Or are
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Speaker 2: we living in nirvana? Which one?
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Speaker 4: Is it?
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Speaker 2: Stephanie Rule?
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Speaker 1: As illustrated by our last story selection, it does not
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Speaker 1: feel like nirvana here. So I think maybe Stephanie just
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Speaker 1: got the gig because she promised not to ask any
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Speaker 1: tough questions. Hey, whatever you're going to do, right, Oh
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Speaker 1: my goodness, it's not a great way to run a campaign,
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Speaker 1: that's right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, hide the candidate.
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Speaker 1: No, it's not.
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Speaker 2: Sorry, I'll just add one more thing about that. But
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Speaker 2: Dave Weigel posted earlier today about he posted a poll
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Speaker 2: that showed Americans don't love JD. Vance, and then he
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Speaker 2: added that Tim Walls should be out there speaking more
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Speaker 2: because he's pretty good at it. Counterpoint that I made
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Speaker 2: on X is this is a campaign about nothing, So
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Speaker 2: no matter how well Walls speaks, he's not actually allowed
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Speaker 2: to say anything. And that's really why they're not giving interviews.
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Speaker 2: If they give interviews, they're going to have to state
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Speaker 2: their positions and who wants to do that?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that in itself is a handicap. It's going to
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Speaker 1: be an interesting VP matchup because you've got one guy
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Speaker 1: who Yeah, I think if you look at the favorables,
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Speaker 1: you would say Walls is the one who's more likable,
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Speaker 1: not Vance. However, if you look at the amount of
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Speaker 1: things they're allowed to say or substance they're going to
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Speaker 1: bring to the table, it's going to be, uh, a
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Speaker 1: very strange matchup.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we'll see what happens. I think no matter,
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Speaker 2: you know, despite their likability gap, I think Vance does
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Speaker 2: very well on that VP debate. That's my prediction for that,
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Speaker 2: But we'll see.
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Speaker 1: We will be back with more about that on Normally.
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