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- 0:01Speaker 1: Turkish police breaking up a pro-LGBTQ protest in Istanbul. People
- 0:08Speaker 1: had gathered to speak out against a wave of raids
- 0:11Speaker 1: and arrests targeting Turkey's queer community. But the protest was
- 0:16Speaker 1: stopped before it could even begin.
- 0:19Speaker 2: Right now they're preventing everyone from coming in.
- 0:21Speaker 3: It's really terrible.
- 0:22Speaker 2: And we couldn't get in, but right now they're saying
- 0:25Speaker 2: that they're going to arrest people.
- 0:27Speaker 4: It's quite bad.
- 0:28Speaker 1: Many here came with a simple message. Being queer is
- 0:32Speaker 1: not a crime. But standing together to say that out
- 0:35Speaker 1: loud came with risks. Police filmed people in the crowd.
- 0:39Speaker 1: A drone hovered overhead. Many protesters were afraid to speak publicly.
- 0:44Speaker 5: They want to suppress and silence us. But I don't
- 0:49Speaker 5: think this is just about the LGBT community. I think
- 0:53Speaker 5: it's much broader. They're doing this to establish control over everyone.
- 1:00Speaker 1: The protest followed a series of coordinated police raids over
- 1:04Speaker 1: the weekend, targeting LGBTQ associations, gay bars and activists' homes.
- 1:10Speaker 1: In Istanbul, Ankara, Izmir and other parts of the country,
- 1:13Speaker 1: dozens of people were detained on allegations including obscenity and
- 1:17Speaker 1: assisting prostitution. Authorities have also blocked websites and social media
- 1:22Speaker 1: accounts of LGBTQ activists, journalists and rights groups. Same-sex relations
- 1:28Speaker 1: are not illegal in Turkey. a majority Muslim country, but
- 1:32Speaker 1: homophobia is widespread. Queer activists say authorities are increasingly using
- 1:38Speaker 1: criminal investigations and restrictions to target their community.
- 1:42Speaker 6: This whole operation is trying to create a crime and
- 1:46Speaker 6: this crime is being an LGBTQI person. It's all about that.
- 1:50Speaker 6: I feel like really angry. I feel frustrated because this
- 1:56Speaker 6: is our lives you are talking about. you want to
- 1:59Speaker 6: take from us. And you cannot do that.
- 2:01Speaker 1: Turkey's justice minister says the operation, dubbed My Family is Safe,
- 2:07Speaker 1: is about protecting children, families and public order. It is
- 2:10Speaker 1: part of a wider push to strengthen what the government
- 2:13Speaker 1: describes as traditional family values. President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has
- 2:17Speaker 1: repeatedly portrayed LGBTQ activism as a threat to these values,
- 2:23Speaker 1: even linking it to concerns over Turkey's declining birth rate.
- 2:28Speaker 2: Policies promoting a genderless society, supported and encouraged by global culture,
- 2:33Speaker 2: have reached a point where they threaten the continuation of
- 2:36Speaker 2: the human race and the natural order. The imposition of
- 2:42Speaker 2: the LGBT agenda has morphed into a form of tyranny
- 2:47Speaker 2: and oppression.
- 2:48Speaker 1: LGBTQ activists strongly reject this framing.
- 2:54Speaker 6: And family here in Turkey is really actually under attack. Yes,
- 3:00Speaker 6: but not from LGBTQI people. The family is under attack
- 3:03Speaker 6: of poverty, economic crisis. If you want to protect the family,
- 3:07Speaker 6: you have to solve these problems. LGBTQI people are not
- 3:10Speaker 6: against family. We are sons and daughters and siblings of
- 3:14Speaker 6: that families. We are part of that family.
- 3:17Speaker 1: For Turkey's queer community, the pressure from authorities isn't new.
- 3:22Speaker 1: For years, pride events have been banned or heavily restricted,
- 3:26Speaker 1: with police breaking up demonstrations and detaining marches. But activists
- 3:31Speaker 1: say the latest crackdown is taking that pressure to a
- 3:34Speaker 1: new level.
- 3:35Speaker 6: This can be a turning point if we don't put
- 3:38Speaker 6: a stop to this. If people all across the country
- 3:44Speaker 6: don't show support or show their solidarity with the LGBTQI
- 3:48Speaker 6: people here in Turkey, everything can go darker and darker.
- 3:52Speaker 1: The developments have also drawn criticism from Europe and the US,
- 3:56Speaker 1: as well as international human rights organizations. They warn of
- 3:59Speaker 1: a serious escalation and repression against Turkey's LGBTQ people and
- 4:04Speaker 1: wider civil society. For many who tried to join the
- 4:08Speaker 1: protests here in Istanbul, the stakes are deeply personal. They
- 4:13Speaker 1: want to live their lives openly, without fear.
- 4:17Speaker 5: When I came here today and saw other women and
- 4:20Speaker 5: people standing together, side by side, I wasn't afraid. They're
- 4:24Speaker 5: doing everything they can to scare us. But if there's
- 4:27Speaker 5: one place where we refuse to be afraid, it's here,
- 4:30Speaker 5: on the streets.
- 4:31Speaker 1: But with more arrests and restrictions, many are worried this
- 4:35Speaker 1: might be the beginning. of a much deeper and sustained crackdown.
- 4:39Speaker 4: And let's bring in now Belinda Deer. She is a
- 4:44Speaker 4: senior advocacy officer with ILGA Europe, an independent international non-governmental
- 4:50Speaker 4: umbrella organization uniting over 700 LGBTQ organizations from 54 countries
- 4:56Speaker 4: across Europe and Central Asia. Thanks for your time, first
- 4:59Speaker 4: of all. I'd like to ask you what actions you
- 5:02Speaker 4: have taken in connection with the events in Turkey.
- 5:07Speaker 3: Hi, thank you for having us on. So we've been
- 5:11Speaker 3: working to try to push for the release of the
- 5:16Speaker 3: now almost 300 people that have been detained in Turkey
- 5:19Speaker 3: since the early hours of Sunday morning. And we've been
- 5:24Speaker 3: in touch with a number of international institutions and supporters abroad,
- 5:31Speaker 3: including European governments, to give them information about the rights
- 5:35Speaker 3: that have been violated and to explain and ask for
- 5:40Speaker 3: support in exerting diplomatic pressure to ensure that the LGBTI
- 5:47Speaker 3: people who have been unjustly detained are released.
- 5:51Speaker 4: What are those affected telling you? Have you been able
- 5:54Speaker 4: to be in direct contact with anyone who's been arrested?
- 6:01Speaker 6: No.
- 6:03Speaker 3: Communication with people who have been arrested isn't possible, of course.
- 6:08Speaker 3: There are very few local activists that we can be
- 6:12Speaker 3: in touch with, but they are active in sharing information,
- 6:16Speaker 3: which is very important. We're looking at now approximately 300
- 6:20Speaker 3: people either detained or arrested, and those are LGBTI people
- 6:27Speaker 3: who were taken from clubs and bars, but also LGBTI
- 6:32Speaker 3: human rights defenders who had their homes raided during the
- 6:37Speaker 3: night and they were taken away in detention. And we
- 6:42Speaker 3: know that the prosecutor is looking for also the dissolution
- 6:49Speaker 3: of LGBTI organizations in Turkey. A lot of the people
- 6:55Speaker 3: also that are part of this figure are indeed the
- 6:59Speaker 3: protesters who went out en masse yesterday and are continuing
- 7:02Speaker 3: to protest. They're also being detained. We know that there
- 7:07Speaker 3: is a specific campaign by the government. that paints LGBTI
- 7:14Speaker 3: people and organizing as a national security threat. They pretend
- 7:19Speaker 3: to defend the family, even though they're even arresting and
- 7:22Speaker 3: detaining the families of LGBTI people who have been detained.
- 7:29Speaker 3: And they are, in general, looking at the funding of
- 7:33Speaker 3: organizations that either work specifically on LGBTI equality or who
- 7:38Speaker 3: have supported LGBTI equality and publishing reports, painting this kind
- 7:44Speaker 3: of democratic civil society work as something that is somehow covert.
- 7:50Speaker 3: It's a framing that they are using and we believe
- 7:52Speaker 3: they're using to discredit democratic civil society more broadly in Turkey.
- 7:59Speaker 4: I'd like to ask you, you know, the European Union,
- 8:01Speaker 4: the Council of Europe, the United Nations, are they doing
- 8:04Speaker 4: enough to support the community in Turkey given these incidents?
- 8:13Speaker 3: So far, we see the institutions doing what they can.
- 8:18Speaker 3: We obviously would want them to do.
- 8:21Speaker 6: As much as they can.
- 8:23Speaker 3: I think that the most power lies in individual governments.
- 8:27Speaker 3: So we are really pushing for diplomatic interventions. Something that
- 8:33Speaker 3: is very important at the moment is that also the
- 8:37Speaker 3: governments and basically the institutions that have some kind of
- 8:40Speaker 3: an office or an embassy in Turkey are reaching out
- 8:45Speaker 3: to LGBTI activists to see what their needs are and
- 8:50Speaker 3: are making sure they're monitoring the trials and continuing to
- 8:55Speaker 3: support in whatever way they can. Something else that's very
- 8:59Speaker 3: important is that whilst there is this smear campaign against
- 9:05Speaker 3: international funding of LGBTI organizations in Turkey, European governments and
- 9:12Speaker 3: institutions and other organizations that support the LGBTI community should
- 9:16Speaker 3: not withhold or stop funding. It's more important now than
- 9:21Speaker 3: ever to support these organizations financially and these human rights
- 9:26Speaker 3: defenders in their work, which is, as we must remember,
- 9:30Speaker 3: the work to just ensure that LGBTI people can live
- 9:33Speaker 3: in safety and in dignity in Turkey.
- 9:37Speaker 4: Belinda Deer of ILGA Europe, thank you so much.
- 9:43Speaker 6: Thank you.