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BEAUTY-QUEEN-CHEERLEADER SELFIES, BABY IN TRASH BAG DEAD IN CLOSET · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Is this real? Am? I correct?
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  Speaker 2: Did Kentucky cheerleader Lacin Snelling actually take selfies while she
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  Speaker 2: is in labor while giving birth?
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  Speaker 1: Leave the baby to die?
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  Speaker 2: Who, by the way, we now learn what was whimpering
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  Speaker 2: translation was alive, Leave the baby wrapped up in a
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  Speaker 2: blanket and a trash bag in her closet, either dead
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  Speaker 2: or dying, and then pop out for mcdonald'srt ROW. I'm
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  Speaker 2: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I'm going to thank
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  Speaker 2: you for being with us. We are learning from court
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  Speaker 2: documents that the Kentucky stunt girl, cheerleader beauty queen lake
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  Speaker 2: and Snelling took selfies while she's giving birth, just before
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  Speaker 2: she secretly delivers her baby, then allegedly leaving it wrapped
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  Speaker 2: up in blankets, towels in a trash bag in her closet,
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  Speaker 2: and then dashes out to get McDonald's.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, According to.
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  Speaker 2: What we are learning right now, Snelling's phone was full
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  Speaker 2: of images of her during labor, photos of her doing
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  Speaker 2: things ordinary pregnant women should not be doing. Now, that's
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  Speaker 2: according to court documents.
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  Speaker 1: Then she.
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  Speaker 2: Deletes tries to delete the photos in an apparent attempt
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  Speaker 2: to hide the birth of the baby. These affidavits are
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  Speaker 2: chock full of evidence. Okay, wait a minute, let's back
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  Speaker 2: it up. After giving birth, the beauty Queen cheerleader reported
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  Speaker 2: stuffs the baby boy in a trash bag, then heads
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  Speaker 2: to McDonald's for a tiny bite. Okay, we still don't
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  Speaker 2: know a cod cause of death on the baby, but
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  Speaker 2: we do know that roommates sneak into her room to
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  Speaker 2: find a blood soaked towel on the floor and a
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  Speaker 2: plastic bag quote containing evidence of child birth. Okay, you
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  Speaker 2: can let your imagination run wild with that, joining me
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  Speaker 2: and All Star panel to make sense of what we
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  Speaker 2: are learning.
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  Speaker 1: And I am stunned.
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  Speaker 2: If another person, an adult, was found dead wrapped in
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  Speaker 2: a blanket, body in a trash bag hidden away, the
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  Speaker 2: alleged purp would not be walking free right now with
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  Speaker 2: a bedazzled ankle monitor.
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  Speaker 1: But that is what has just happened. But let's start
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  Speaker 1: at the beginning. Listen to this.
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  Speaker 3: Good riversity Joson County Bear. I am lady selling.
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  Speaker 1: Her in is.
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  Speaker 3: Nancy University of Kentucky, as she's twenty years of age.
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  Speaker 3: Her heart criteria Jeff Selling of Morrison, Meg and eis
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  Speaker 3: list while also being a student athelete do one athlete
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  Speaker 3: on the stunty at a University of Kentucky one hundred
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  Speaker 3: plus community service hours passed you honors to be ground
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  Speaker 3: the Jefferson County Bear Student Bear and begun to represent
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  Speaker 3: her CAUP.
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  Speaker 2: That is from the Jefferson County Fairest of the Fair
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  Speaker 2: Beauty pagant that she won. But can we get to
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  Speaker 2: right now and what leads up to the discovery of
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  Speaker 2: a dead infant baby boy in her closet?
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  Speaker 4: Listen Lincoln Snelling is entering her senior year on the
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  Speaker 4: cheer stunt team at the University of Kentucky. Snelling grew
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  Speaker 4: up in the small town of White Pine, Tennessee, where
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  Speaker 4: she was a Jefferson County High School varsity cheerleader and
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  Speaker 4: crowned Jefferson County's Fairest of the Fair. Snelling is a
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  Speaker 4: self proclaimed real life Barbie with an all pink apartment,
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  Speaker 4: barbie jeep, and fabulous clothes and paget gowns to match.
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  Speaker 4: Snelling has an entire Instagram profile dedicated to selling her
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  Speaker 4: old wardrobe. Snelling reveals that she is dating another student
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  Speaker 4: athlete with an impressive basketball career. Snelling brings her bow
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  Speaker 4: home for Easter and over this summer post professional photos
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  Speaker 4: with him.
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  Speaker 1: Why do I care.
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  Speaker 2: About the boyfriend? I'm trying to figure out who is
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  Speaker 2: the biological father of this dead infant. And I'm completely
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  Speaker 2: intrigued curious about why so many dead baby are first
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  Speaker 2: wrapped in a blanket, a baby blanket very often, remember
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  Speaker 2: top mom Casey Anthony wrapped, according to the state, baby
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  Speaker 2: Kelly in her favorite blanket before putting her in a
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  Speaker 2: trash bag and throwing into a trashy, litter ridden swamp
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  Speaker 2: area about ten houses down from the Anthony home. Gee,
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  Speaker 2: I wonder who did that? And I see it over
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  Speaker 2: and over and over. The infant is wrapped in a
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  Speaker 2: baby blanket and left to die or killed and put
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  Speaker 2: in a trash bag. There's gotten to be some sort
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  Speaker 2: of psychopathy to that. But you know, I'm also very curious.
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  Speaker 2: Straight out to doctor Bethany Marshall, joining US high profile
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  Speaker 2: psycho analyst, author of deal Breaker on Amazon. You can
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  Speaker 2: see her now on peacock and find her a doctor
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  Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany, I'm also intrigued.
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  Speaker 2: What does it mean? If anything, that you are a
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  Speaker 2: self proclaimed real life Barbie.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about the Barbie doll.
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  Speaker 5: This woman's life, this young woman's life is wrapped in fantasy,
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  Speaker 5: not reality. The fantasy of having a baby seems a
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  Speaker 5: lot more compelling to her than the reality of a baby.
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  Speaker 5: The fantasy of being Barbie is a lot more compelling
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  Speaker 5: to her than the reality of who she is as
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  Speaker 5: a mother and out in the world.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, doctor Bethany, you got me drinking for the fire
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  Speaker 2: hids right here. You gave me so much I've got
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  Speaker 2: to parse it.
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  Speaker 1: Number one. Can we stit with Barbie? You said I
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  Speaker 1: was writing as fast as I could.
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  Speaker 2: The fantasy of being Barbie to her was being better,
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  Speaker 2: was better than being leg and Snellings.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, now, wait a minute, what does it mean to
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  Speaker 1: be Barbie? It's a plastic doll with fake breasts. Why
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  Speaker 1: do you want to be that?
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  Speaker 5: Because Barbie is beautiful, Barbie is desirable, Barbie is sexually
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  Speaker 5: attractive in the world, and the idea that she would
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  Speaker 5: be that person, it's like she's wrapping herself in an image,
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  Speaker 5: an external image, rather than really focusing on who she is.
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  Speaker 5: Does she attend to trust.
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  Speaker 2: But wait, wait, wait, where can I see that video
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  Speaker 2: again of her in the foe? I guess that's no
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  Speaker 2: the foe that that that was. That's very similar to.
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  Speaker 1: A Barbie outfit my sister had. That's right, Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I was trying to dissect the Barbie dolls, and I
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  Speaker 2: dissected all, well, dismembered all of my sister's Barbie dolls.
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  Speaker 2: That was a dark day, that said, I remember that outfit.
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  Speaker 2: Barbie had an outfit like that with you know, faux
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  Speaker 2: Leverard spots. Okay, I just wanted to point that out.
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  Speaker 1: Dr Bethany.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what your Barbie lore is, but I
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  Speaker 2: distinctly recall an outfit like that with the matching stilettos.
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  Speaker 1: And this is when I was a little girl. The
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  Speaker 1: sal stiletis We're in then as well, at least for Barbie. Now,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Back to who wants to be Barbie?
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  Speaker 5: Who wants to be Barbie? As somebody who's more living
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  Speaker 5: in fantasy than reality? Hey, Nancy, that sound you just
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  Speaker 5: played the inside of her apartment was pink. She lived
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  Speaker 5: in a Barbie place. This is a woman who lives
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  Speaker 5: in a fantasy world, not a reality world. Okay, Barbie
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  Speaker 5: is just that it's adult. It's not a real person.
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  Speaker 5: She does not live her life like a real person.
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  Speaker 5: She's living's like it's like cosplay of being Barbie. I'm wondering,
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  Speaker 5: would she go to a church, does she have friends,
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  Speaker 5: is she kind to people? Does she like children in
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  Speaker 5: real life? Or was the fantasy of being pregnant and
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  Speaker 5: the fantasy of being a mom much more compelling than
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  Speaker 5: the reality of changing diapers holding a baby. Babies have needs,
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  Speaker 5: you know.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to clear one thing up, doctor Bethony Marshall.
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  Speaker 1: You can be.
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  Speaker 2: Anything and have played with Barbies as a little girl.
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  Speaker 2: My sister that had the Barbies, she's a brainiac.
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  Speaker 6: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I tried to read something she published.
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  Speaker 2: It was just a bunch of formulas with you know,
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  Speaker 2: like elements, and I'm like, okay, that was great. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying there's anything wrong with playing with barbiees
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  Speaker 2: when you're a child. I mean, it can be fun.
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  Speaker 2: But this is a grown woman that says she's a
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  Speaker 2: real life Barbie. Okay, you know what, I've gone down
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  Speaker 2: the Barbie trail way too long. That's not going to
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  Speaker 2: help anybody.
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  Speaker 1: A trial. I want to get to the facts and
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  Speaker 1: what we know. Take a listen to this.
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  Speaker 4: Ten thirty am Wednesday morning, Lexington PD responds to a
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  Speaker 4: call about an unresponsive infant found in a student department
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  Speaker 4: in one of the tenants closets inside a trash bag
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  Speaker 4: wrapped in towels. The baby was deceased at the time
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  Speaker 4: officers received the report. Snelling returns to her apartment to
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  Speaker 4: find police swarming the unit. Snelling says she cleaned up
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  Speaker 4: after delivering the baby to conceal that she had given
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  Speaker 4: birth and put all of the cleaning materials in the
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  Speaker 4: trash bag with the baby.
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  Speaker 1: What I'm saying here to Josh Colsrude.
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  Speaker 2: He is a high profile criminal defense attorney, former felony prosecutor,
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  Speaker 2: founder of Colsrude Law Offices.
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  Speaker 1: Josh, Now, this is anecdotal.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have a statistic on this, but I noticed
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  Speaker 2: it over and over and over in the over a
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  Speaker 2: decade that I prosecuted felonies when the victim is a baby,
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  Speaker 2: very often you see that case pled down like oh,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they were tired of the baby screaming and
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  Speaker 2: they bashed its head on the dresser, or they got
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  Speaker 2: tired of taking care of the baby where they forgot
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  Speaker 2: to feed the baby and it died, and it's often
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  Speaker 2: pled down to volunteer involuntary manslaughter. Now, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if you're going to admit to that on the air,
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  Speaker 2: but it's true when the victim is a baby, somehow
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  Speaker 2: it's treated as less important and justice system, well, you know.
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  Speaker 1: These cases are tough, Nancy.
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  Speaker 6: You know there's a very similar case that happened in
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  Speaker 6: twenty seventeen Skyler Richardson, high profile case in Ohio. It
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  Speaker 6: was a cheerleader and in that case she was charged
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  Speaker 6: with murder with second degree murder, and they went to
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  Speaker 6: trial and the prosecution lost. They lost because neo nanticide,
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  Speaker 6: which is the intentional killing of a baby within twenty
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  Speaker 6: four hours, is extremely difficult to prove because the scientific
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  Speaker 6: tests generally cannot say with any certainty that murder was
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  Speaker 6: the result. And so here we just don't have enough
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  Speaker 6: information yet. The coroner has stated that, you know that
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  Speaker 6: it's inconclusive. Right now, they are doing additional tests. But
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  Speaker 6: I looked into this and the additional tests are all
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  Speaker 6: going to have innocent explanations. Number one, I think that
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  Speaker 6: the prosecution.
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  Speaker 2: You go on thinking you were going to come back
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  Speaker 2: circle back to the question which you did not while
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  Speaker 2: you stay that Brooks Schuyler Richardson was found not guilty.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it true that she was convicted of abuse of
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  Speaker 2: a corpse? She was not let go, she was actually
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  Speaker 2: found guilty. Isn't that correct?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 2: It is okay, you know, I'm sorry I had to
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  Speaker 2: put your feet to the fire on that. But you
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  Speaker 2: were suggesting that she walked away scott free. What you
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  Speaker 2: did say that I find pertinent is that the forensics
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  Speaker 2: couldn't prove murder because very often, as you rightly pointed out,
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  Speaker 2: Josh Colsrude, it's very difficult.
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  Speaker 1: To get a cod cause of death in a case
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  Speaker 1: like this.
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  Speaker 2: But isn't Skyler Richardson the one that buried the baby
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  Speaker 2: in the backyard after she tried to burn the baby's body.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, and she also admitted that the baby was alive.
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  Speaker 6: She told the police that she heard a gurgle and
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  Speaker 6: that it was briefly alive. She said this to actually
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  Speaker 6: her parents, who were in the interrogation room when they
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  Speaker 6: didn't believe that the recording was still going on.
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  Speaker 1: Josh, do you even remember the question I asked you?
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  Speaker 2: What you just said, may scottle look even worse Scytle
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  Speaker 2: Richardson because the baby was alive.
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  Speaker 1: She said, it was gurgling and alive when she gave birth.
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  Speaker 2: Now it's up to a jury to determine how the
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  Speaker 2: baby was born alive and ended.
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  Speaker 1: Up burned and buried in the backyard. That said, my
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  Speaker 1: question was to you, you know what, I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: go to Chris Byers.
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  Speaker 2: Chris Byers, private investigator, owner of Buyer's Investigative Services for
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  Speaker 2: my purposes. He is the former police chief of John's Creek,
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  Speaker 2: twenty five years in LA law enforcement, Buyers. Isn't it
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  Speaker 2: true that you guys work the case of the dead baby,
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  Speaker 2: but when it gets to court, somehow, when the victim
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  Speaker 2: is a baby an infant, it gets pled down to
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  Speaker 2: voluntary or voluntary.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I don't get it in my experience with
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  Speaker 1: any of the cases that I've had like that, they
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  Speaker 1: have been pled down. And yeah, I can't explain it
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  Speaker 1: from the law enforcement side, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, how did the baby end up wrapped in a
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  Speaker 2: blanket in her closet? Do you think it wrapped itself
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  Speaker 2: up and went in the closet and died joining me now.
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  Speaker 2: Hermonia Rodriguez, chief US reporter dailymail dot Com. Hermonia, do
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  Speaker 2: we know if Snelling's had roommates because I'm trying to
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  Speaker 2: figure out who would call nine one one.
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  Speaker 7: Right, That's one of the questions that remains unanswered.
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  Speaker 1: In this case.
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  Speaker 7: Police have refused to say whether Snelling had any roommates
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  Speaker 7: and who called the police that morning, so that remains
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  Speaker 7: open ended. However, there's a lot of online speculation that
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  Speaker 7: says it was a roommate that called the police.
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  Speaker 1: That more, guys, you.
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  Speaker 2: Were seeing shots of beauty queen cheerleader Lacan Snellings. We
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  Speaker 2: already know that systematically, cases involving victims that are infants
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  Speaker 2: or children, but especially infants, are typically pled down and
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  Speaker 2: treated as less important than adult victims. I don't get it,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I'm just thinking about who called nine to
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  Speaker 2: one one? How did she keep the baby a secret?
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  Speaker 2: Isn't it true, Harmonia Rodriguez, that she was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a fantastic athlete. She was a stunt person on the
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  Speaker 2: college cheerleading team, and you can see that she's pregnant
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  Speaker 2: during her stunts.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take a look at video of Lac and Snellings.
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  Speaker 8: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: That is a baby right there, the baby, the baby
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  Speaker 2: is in there. I'm not a medical doctor, but I
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  Speaker 2: can see that much. She was still performing stunts as
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  Speaker 2: a cheerleader while pregnant. What you know what, doctor Bethany Marshall,
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  Speaker 2: denial and ain't just a river in Egypt?
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  Speaker 9: Come on?
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  Speaker 8: What is this?
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  Speaker 5: Bethany helped me out, Nancy. Not only is she in denial,
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  Speaker 5: the whole team is denial. It's in denial. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: who's gonna pull a stunt like that when you have
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  Speaker 5: a baby in your tommy? Nancy. What this tells me
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  Speaker 5: is she was already disconnecting from the baby as she
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  Speaker 5: was pregnant. A mother who wants a baby, or who
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  Speaker 5: has a wanted baby and her tommy is not going
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  Speaker 5: to pull a stunt like that, because the maternal instinct
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  Speaker 5: is to protect your child. Nancy, did you hear what
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  Speaker 5: the reporter just said. When she put that baby in
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  Speaker 5: the plastic bag, she threw the cleaning material on top
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  Speaker 5: of it. She threw track on her baby. It's so disturbing.
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  Speaker 10: A member of the University of Kentucky's stunt team, LACLN
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  Speaker 10: Snelling is driven admired and hiding a secret that will
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  Speaker 10: crack her dreams.
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  Speaker 2: And right now she is accused of a major felony
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  Speaker 2: after her dead infant baby boy is found.
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  Speaker 1: Wrapped in towels in a trash back in her closet.
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  Speaker 1: Straight out to.
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  Speaker 2: Harmonia Rodriguez joining us from Deally mail Harmonia.
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  Speaker 1: There are two lines.
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  Speaker 2: Of inquiry right now as to who called nine one one,
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  Speaker 2: And this is important. Okay, you may think who cares
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  Speaker 2: to call nine one one they found a dead baby
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  Speaker 2: in the closet, But does the person that call nine
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  Speaker 2: one one have other facts and evidence that would be probative.
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  Speaker 1: So these are the two lines of inquiry.
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  Speaker 2: One report is that roommates became suspicious after Lincoln Snelling
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  Speaker 2: came back to school at the end of the summer.
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  Speaker 2: She didn't look the same as she did when spring
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  Speaker 2: semester ended. She looked pregnant. Then on that Wednesday morning,
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  Speaker 2: the pregnancy bump was gone. So when she went to
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  Speaker 2: class that day, they the roommates decided to go into
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  Speaker 2: her room and take a look. There are also reports
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  Speaker 2: that one of the roommates had a dog that was
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  Speaker 2: going berserk outside Lincoln Snelling's room and outside of her closet,
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  Speaker 2: and because of that, they looked in the closet. Both
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  Speaker 2: reports indicate one of the roommates called nine to one one.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know anything about either of those two reports, Harmonia, right,
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  Speaker 2: I have.
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  Speaker 1: Seen those reports.
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  Speaker 7: One is from a local and the other one really
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  Speaker 7: comes from this Facebook page that is about the case. However,
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  Speaker 7: we have gone to police to ask about the circumstances
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  Speaker 7: of who called nine one one, and they still are
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  Speaker 7: not ready to release that information.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, you're seeing video of Laken Snellings and it's kind
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  Speaker 2: of amazing how someone that seemingly has the world at
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  Speaker 2: their feet. You know, there's no question she's beautiful, she's vivacious,
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  Speaker 2: she's healthy, she's smart, and now she's charged with a felony.
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot will ride on the cause of death, but.
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  Speaker 2: Right now, that cood remains undetermined. Joining me right now,
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  Speaker 2: renowned medical examiner, the chief medical Examiner of Terran County,
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  Speaker 2: that's Fort Worth, Texas, esteemed lecturer at the Burnette School
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  Speaker 2: of Medicine at TCU, and star of a hit new podcast,
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  Speaker 2: Mayhem in the Morgue. Doctor Kimdall Crown's joining us. What
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  Speaker 2: does that tell me, they don't have a cood yet
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  Speaker 2: cause of death. Let me read between the lines. That
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  Speaker 2: tells me there was no visible cod. You can just
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  Speaker 2: look at the baby. It's a oh, the baby was
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  Speaker 2: blood and dead, or the baby was shot, or the
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  Speaker 2: baby was stab or ligature strangulation or manual strangulation. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: even you might need a microscopic exam to determine if
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  Speaker 2: there were particiar hemorrhage to the eyes. But that tells
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  Speaker 2: me that the cod was none of those things. What's happening,
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  Speaker 2: doctor Kendall Crowns.
• 20:39
  Speaker 8: So typically with the babies that are found in trash bags,
• 20:42
  Speaker 8: you first have to determine if they were born alive.
• 20:46
  Speaker 8: There's certain things that you can look for. One of
• 20:48
  Speaker 8: them is gestational age. If they're under twenty two weeks,
• 20:53
  Speaker 8: they probably couldn't have survived being born. If they have
• 20:55
  Speaker 8: this thing called maceration, which is an overall kind of
• 20:59
  Speaker 8: reddish decoloration sloughing of the skin of the baby, you
• 21:03
  Speaker 8: know they died in utero. And then finally, do they
• 21:06
  Speaker 8: have any major birst effects, like they have no brain
• 21:09
  Speaker 8: or something of that nature. Then you go from there
• 21:12
  Speaker 8: and you have to figure out if they if you
• 21:14
  Speaker 8: determine that they could have been born alive, then you
• 21:17
  Speaker 8: have to determine if they actually took a breath, and
• 21:20
  Speaker 8: that can be a number of tests that are actually
• 21:22
  Speaker 8: not all that accurate. There's the float test with the lung,
• 21:26
  Speaker 8: but that can be disrupted by decomposition.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: In the Last Days, a woman charge in a baby's
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: death pleads not guilty, as affidavits reveal claims by police
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: said they kent take a cheerleader like and snailing, actually
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: took selfies while giving birth. I don't really want to
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: think about that, but okay of the evidence I have
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: to then brazenly goes to eat McDonald's while the baby
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: is in her closet.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know by that time was it dead was
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: it alive?
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: We know that.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: She also says the baby was whimpering.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: She heard whimpering sounds, which means the baby was alive.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Doctor Kimdall Crown's joining us, could you please dummy down, man?
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: You said, oh, and let's say, did a flotation test?
• 22:30
  Speaker 7: What not?
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Everybody works in the morgue. Not everybody knows what you're
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: talking about. You just rattled off about fifteen medical phrases.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: I'm surprised you didn't throw Latin at me. Could you
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: just start over and speak regular people talk? Please, if
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: not for the listener, for me, please start over if
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: you don't mind.
• 22:50
  Speaker 8: So, the main thing, like I was talking about, is
• 22:52
  Speaker 8: they're going to be looking for any signs that the
• 22:55
  Speaker 8: child was living when it was born. So did it
• 22:58
  Speaker 8: take a breath. And if it took a breath, the
• 23:00
  Speaker 8: lungs will fill up with air and they could potentially
• 23:03
  Speaker 8: float if you put them in water, so you could say, oh,
• 23:06
  Speaker 8: that they breathe if they lungs float in water. The
• 23:09
  Speaker 8: problem with the.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Floatation test, doctor Kendall crowns right there. Right there, you
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: have to explain what that means, because that reminds me
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: of when we were first told the Idaho for students
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: that were murdered by Brian Coberger died in their sleep.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: So it's like they drifted off to a lullaby and
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: they woke up in heaven.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: That's not what happened. They fought for their lives. It
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: was horrible. You're saying the lungs are tested.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: What I believe you mean is this infant is cut open,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: its lungs are removed.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: And they're put in water to see if they float?
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Is that what that means? That's correct?
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: You just rattled off the tip of your tongue like
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: it's nothing. This is a baby, doctor Kendall Crowns that
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: now has to be cut open and its lungs removed
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: from its little body. How big are baby lungs? How
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: big are they and then dunked in water? How big
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: is an infants lungs?
• 24:03
  Speaker 8: Well, it depends on how old the baby is gestationally,
• 24:07
  Speaker 8: if they are newborn. If they are a newborn, their
• 24:10
  Speaker 8: lungs are about a couple inches.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Maybe have you done a water test on a baby?
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: Yes?
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: I mean what went through your mind when you're cutting
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: out a baby's lungs that are this big? About the
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: size of a good cup, a kitchen measuring cup. I mean,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: do you look at it in your hands and think,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: my stars, what happened?
• 24:30
  Speaker 8: So when I'm doing an autopsy and a baby, it's
• 24:33
  Speaker 8: no different than doing an autopsy and adults. I have
• 24:35
  Speaker 8: to determine the cause and manner of death.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: It's just it is what it is.
• 24:39
  Speaker 8: I have to figure out what happened to this child,
• 24:42
  Speaker 8: or happen to the adults, and that's the purpose of
• 24:44
  Speaker 8: my employment.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, I understand that you have to have may detached
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: while you're performing all of this, But you know, when
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: you just rattle off, I'm not saying you're wrong.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: I know for a fact that you're right. But when
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: you say it so methodically, I mean, I got to
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: think this through. Doctor Kendall Crowns.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: You're saying, one of the first things you do to
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: determine COEOD, if it's not immediately visible with the naked eye,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: is you do a float test on the lungs. What
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: that means is the baby is sliced open its lungs,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: they're removed, and they're dunked in water.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: What what kind of water? What is that in a pan?
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: A sink?
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: What?
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: It's tap water? And it's basically a big cup.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: You know, we are talking on and on and on,
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: doctor Kendall Crowns about Blake and Snellings and she's a
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: real life Barbie and she's a stunk person, and she's
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: a cheerleader, and she's gorgeous.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: And she's Miss Fairest of the Fair.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Nobody is talking about the baby boy that's lying on
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: a more table getting its chest sliced open, it's.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Lungs removed and put in water.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Why does it have to be all about her? That's
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: why White Cases and Josh Colesrude.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Would not answer earlier.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: For more federal prosecutor. I mean, okay, back to you,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: doctor Kimmel Crowns. So you do a lung test, and
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: if the lungs float, that means they had air in them.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: That means that baby was born alive. Is that where
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: you're going with that?
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: That's correct.
• 26:17
  Speaker 8: I mean, if they've taken a breath, the lungs will float,
• 26:20
  Speaker 8: but it could also mean they were given CPR. It
• 26:23
  Speaker 8: could also mean there's decompositional gas formation. So one of
• 26:27
  Speaker 8: the other things you'll do with the floatation test is
• 26:30
  Speaker 8: take the liver. Take a section of the liver and
• 26:33
  Speaker 8: place it in the water as well to see if
• 26:35
  Speaker 8: it will float, to show that there is or is
• 26:37
  Speaker 8: not decomposition.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait a minute.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: I've never heard this before, a float test on the
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: baby's liver. So now the abdomen is cut out as well.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, why would you do a float test on a liver?
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Why would there be air in a liver?
• 26:51
  Speaker 8: There would be no air in the liver. So if
• 26:53
  Speaker 8: the liver doesn't float, you know that there is no decomposition.
• 26:58
  Speaker 8: But if it does float, then it puts into question
• 27:00
  Speaker 8: of whether the lungs are floating because of decomposition or
• 27:04
  Speaker 8: because there's air in them. So then you have to
• 27:07
  Speaker 8: go to microscopic analysis.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, So you compare the float test of the liver
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: to the float test of the lungs, and if the
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: liver goes down and the lungs go up, that indicates
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: the lungs are floating because the baby breathed, not because
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: of decompositional gases.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Is that right correct?
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: Yes?
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, so that's what's happening to the baby. What else
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: will be examined to determine the cod of this baby?
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Because this all hinges on the coeod. If the baby
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: was dead when it was born, was still born, if
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: then there's not going to be a murder prosecution. As
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Josh Coles really pointed out, a lot is riding on
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: the cause of death.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: What else will be done, doctor Kendall Crowns.
• 27:53
  Speaker 8: So what else will be done is microscopic analysis or
• 27:56
  Speaker 8: looking at sections of the tissue under a microscope looking
• 28:00
  Speaker 8: for any disease processes. Also, you'll be looking at the
• 28:03
  Speaker 8: lungs there as well, looking to see if the air
• 28:06
  Speaker 8: sacs or the alveoli and the lungs have filled up
• 28:09
  Speaker 8: with air. The other thing you'll be looking at is
• 28:12
  Speaker 8: the placenta, if it's available. Looking at the placenta looking
• 28:15
  Speaker 8: for any evidence of hemorrhage or loss of oxygen, or
• 28:21
  Speaker 8: infarction or infection of the membranes. You'll be looking at
• 28:25
  Speaker 8: the umbilical cord to see if it's normally formed, if
• 28:28
  Speaker 8: it was wrapped around the child's neck, or if it
• 28:31
  Speaker 8: has inflammation as well. And then you'll also be looking
• 28:34
  Speaker 8: for any evidence of trauma birth trauma where like the
• 28:38
  Speaker 8: shoulder got stuck and they had to pull the child
• 28:40
  Speaker 8: very hard, fracturing the shoulder or separating the neck. You'll
• 28:44
  Speaker 8: also be looking for inflicted trauma like crushing of the ribs,
• 28:48
  Speaker 8: breaking of the extremities or the long bones of the extremities,
• 28:52
  Speaker 8: or crushing of the skull.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Romania Rodriguez dailymail dot com.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Thinking about and analyzing what doctor Kimil Krause just said
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: regarding was the baby's shoulder broken or prolapsed when it
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: when it was delivered. Other injuries to the baby during delivery.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: It's my understanding that she had the pregnancy bump one
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: day and the next day, Wednesday, it was gone and
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: she went to class.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: So obviously she did not have any injuries. That's right.
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: And while we have not been able to confirm that
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: she told anyone about this pregnancy, as we saw the
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: images show that she has a visible bump that she
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: then did not have after given birth.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: However, so I think it's safe to say she.
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: Was probably not injured, and the autopsy report did say
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: that the baby did not have any obvious injuries either.
• 29:45
  Speaker 9: Good diversity jokes in County Beard.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: I am Lady Shine.
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: University and she's twenty years of age. Her ears criterium
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Joe Snelling the work may E's list while also being
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: a student athelete do one athlete on the sunteen.
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: At a university of.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: One hundred plus community service hours in the past, you
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: honored to be aground the Joy cityar's student there and
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: be unit.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: To represent her.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Now, I want to be very clear at this juncture,
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Lake and Snellings is not charged with murder. We are
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: waiting on a full and complete autopsy report.
• 30:41
  Speaker 10: A roommate's dog leads to a horrific discovery inside Lincoln
• 30:44
  Speaker 10: Snelling's closet. Inside a black trash bag the remains of
• 30:49
  Speaker 10: a baby boy, along with the evidence used to hide
• 30:52
  Speaker 10: the birth.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Lincoln Snelling's caught on video stating how grateful she is
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: for quote family. I don't know if that includes the
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: baby boy found wrapped in towels in a trash bag
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: in her closet, but I want you.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: To see some texts that we have uncovered.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Here is Lincoln Snellings and if you see her goals,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: let's see a close up of her goals motherhood. Well,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: then that baby is getting fed a bottle by a
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: loving mom with blonde hair like Lincoln Snellings. That is
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: not what happened to this baby. And also circled as
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: her goal is a family with two children, engagement, ring, money,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: and a house.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: What more have we learned?
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Being twenty is so weird, Like I'm an adult, but
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: I still can't really really do anything. But people my
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: age have kids. Well, I think she knows the answer
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: to that. I actually start tweaking at the fact I
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: may only birth boys and never get a girl. That
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: would be a little small miniature me. My parents had
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: a whole child at my age, and I don't even
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: know how to drive on to the.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Tracks of a car wash.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, this and watching the kids play in the yard.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: She seems like she'd be a great mom. How I
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: sleep at night knowing I'm dating the person I'm going
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: to marry. Marriage is scary? What if he doesn't want
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: to put our daughter in cheer the second she can walk?
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, I need a shrink.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: And I need a shrink right now, Doctor Bethany Marshall.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: The well, they all are significant. Okay, Yes, none of
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: this will likely ever come before a jury because they
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: will be deemed not probative.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: In other words, they're incendiary and they don't really prove anything.
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: But what about the part about I want to have
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: a mini me? What if I only birth boys, which
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: this was a baby boy.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: And I don't have a girl. I don't have a
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: mini me. That means something, Doctor beth Andy.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: What it tells me that she's preoccupied with having an
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: idealized life with a little girl who's just like her,
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: That she's very self centered, Nancy, She's wrapped up in
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: her own little world. These texts are not to another person.
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: These texts are to herself. She is preoccupied with herself. Now,
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: women who commit and fanticide usually are not attached to
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: the baby when they are pregnant. The baby is like
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: an it, a thing. It does not have a personality. Nancy,
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: when you were first pregnant, I remember you told me
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: were on the set of port TV. You were so excited.
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: You were attached to your babies. It's called maternal preoccupation.
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: When you're attached. She likely was not attached to the baby.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: She was attached to herself, and she was attached to
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: the idea of an idealized life. There's the ring, then
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: there's the baby. Then there's the cash, then there's the house. Oh,
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: there's the family. So this baby probably was getting in
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: the way of some scheme or plan that she already had.
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: Maybe she was getting ready for a prom, Maybe she
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: wanted to wear a wedding dress. Maybe she wanted to
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: find a really rich guy, or she wanted the perfect wedding,
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: and this baby was just inconvenient because the little baby
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: didn't come around at the right time in her whatever
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: her plan was for her life.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: And Doctor Bethany, here's something I don't understand. And I'm
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: not saying pro or con abortion. I'm not arguing about
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: abortion tonight.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: That's a whole other can of worms.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: But if you don't want the baby, why wait nine
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: months and give birth and then murder the baby? Why
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: do that as opposed to terminating the pregnancy in the
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: first three months.
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: Nancy, in order to plan for an abortion, you have
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: to be tethered to reality. Reality is that there is
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: a baby inside of you. That baby is growing. That
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: baby will be a person in the real world with
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: real needs, a need for food, a need for love,
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: a need for care. I would doubt that she would
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: even be attached enough to this baby to plan any
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: kind of medical procedure. I doubt she even went to
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: a doctor and got her vitamins or her being able
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: care or anything like that. That's one of the more
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: fascinating parts of this story was did anybody recognize she
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: was pregnant? Did her own mother recognize, What about the
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: other people on the cheer team, or was this sort
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: of a pipe dream about having a baby at some
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: point in her life? But at that point she didn't
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: imagine herself to be pregnant. She was just dissociated from
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: the reality of it all.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: And again, I'm not going down the pro life or
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: pro abortion rabbit hole, but I want to get back
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: to the facts.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: Listen to this lake and Snelling leads not guilty to
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: all three charges levied against her and posted her one
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: hundred thousand dollars bond. Snelling has been placed on house
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: arrest at her parents Jefferson City home. She will not
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: be required to wear an ankle monitor. Her next scheduled
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: appearance in a Fayette County court is September twenty sixth.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: That from our friends at w KYT and you heard
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: the judge there at the end, Judge John Tackett, Wait
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: a minute, Harmonia, She not only has.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Walked free, but she doesn't even have to wear an
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: ankle monitor. That's right, Nancy.
• 36:34
  Speaker 7: The judge ordered her to await trial at her parents'
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: home in Tennessee and specified that she would not have
• 36:41
  Speaker 7: to wear an ankle monitor while she awaits her trial.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Why, Josh Coles, rude, you're the former federal prosecutor. Why
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: not even wear an ankle monitor? Forget the ankle monitor
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: to hay with that?
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Why is she out on bond?
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: Well, typically judges have to look at two different prongs
• 37:02
  Speaker 6: when evaluating whether or not to give somebody a bond,
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: and if so how much. The first is is the
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: person a substantial danger to the community? And the second
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: is are they substantial flight risk? And here you're dealing
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: with somebody who doesn't have any in me that.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: She's young and pretty and rich and white. What about that?
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Does that factor into that bond decision?
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Because I think it does. Is she worked too pretty
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: for jail because that worked with debril Fay. Is that
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: what happens just too cute?
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: Well, in this case, respectfully, she has not been accused
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: of murdering anybody yet. The only charges in this case
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: so far are abuse a corpse and some lower and
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: some lesser included charges as well. So until the time
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: that this state actually accuses her of murdering an infant child,
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: she's going to be treated as a low level Offenderful.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace cheerleader Lake and Snelling.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: Originally tells cops the baby fell to the floor fell
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: on the floor after she gave birth, but she didn't
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: think the baby was breathing or alive. According to the
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: affidavit that we have obtained, she says that she thought
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: the baby was dead and wrapped it like a quote
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: burrito and laid next to it on the floor because
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: it gave her a little comfort. What about the baby,
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: She says, she woke up seven thirty am, put the
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: baby in a trash bag.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's normal.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Then shower, cleaned up blood, placed placenta in a zip
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: plot bag before skipping morning classes in going for McDonald's.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: That's what we are learning. But here is the critical moment.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Here's the critical statement. She admitted to medical staff the
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: baby had shown quote a little bit of fetal movement and.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Made a whimper after he was born.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Then she deletes the photos she took while she was
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: giving birth. Investigators believe there could be more images removed
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: from her phone before her arrest. They will have to
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  Speaker 2: get that forensically after a search warrant is obtained for
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  Speaker 2: her phone.
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  Speaker 1: What more do we know?
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  Speaker 10: Hey, I'm gonna need just sent a deputy over here
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  Speaker 10: at one twenty five Lakeside.
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  Speaker 5: We got a newborn baby's fun distarted.
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  Speaker 2: Okayy too, yep, thanksful mus Gingham University dealt again.
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  Speaker 4: The Theta Sisters fine a suspicious trash bag just outside
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  Speaker 4: the front door. Tearing it open, they make a gruesome discovery.
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  Speaker 4: Next to an instant macancheese box lies a dead baby girl.
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  Speaker 4: Emily Weaver admits she birth the baby in the downstairs
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  Speaker 4: bathroom of the Theta house.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, in that case, sorority's sisters find a dead infant
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  Speaker 2: and a trash bag right outside their front door, and
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  Speaker 2: they immediately suspect and Emil Weaver listen, Paul, I just.
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  Speaker 11: Want to be able to tell, yeah, the cause of
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  Speaker 11: death from the child. And did you do anything physically too?
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  Speaker 9: No, physically, I really obviously didn't much at all of this.
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  Speaker 1: More concern.
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  Speaker 11: Would be intentionally get a billet.
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  Speaker 9: I mean I would have like not put its head up.
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  Speaker 2: Would you just sort of dropt, you know?
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  Speaker 10: I mean that's it was my potentially.
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  Speaker 2: You did.
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  Speaker 11: Did you try and keep her alive?
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  Speaker 12: I didn't do anything to.
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  Speaker 2: Pure And then you add on Emily Weaver's texts that
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  Speaker 2: she had been arguing with the BF boyfriend for about
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: a month about the quote situation, and then after just
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  Speaker 2: a few hours after giving births as a text no
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  Speaker 2: more baby taken care of the baby was asphyxiated, suffocated dead.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Prosecutors argue she intentionally killed the baby by putting the
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  Speaker 2: baby in the trash where it suffocated, and she was
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  Speaker 2: sentenced to life.
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  Speaker 1: That's what happened there.
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  Speaker 7: So I'm just.
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  Speaker 2: Thinking through the having the baby and doing nothing to
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  Speaker 2: keep the baby alive, not just that putting the baby
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  Speaker 2: in a trash bag wrapped.
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  Speaker 1: In a towel as in this case.
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  Speaker 2: Could that have been the cause of asphyxiation in the
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: case in chief.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Now, that case was about Emily Weaver. But then there's
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Alexei Chiviso.
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  Speaker 12: We had the lady come to clean the bathroom. She
• 42:28
  Speaker 12: put the baby in the trash can and then she
• 42:31
  Speaker 12: put another clean winer over the top of it, so
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  Speaker 12: they looked. When they looked in there, it looked there
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  Speaker 12: was no trash in that, but it's underneath the clean bag.
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  Speaker 13: The baby's dead.
• 42:42
  Speaker 12: Okay, we have them in Toronto too, But she killed
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  Speaker 12: a kid.
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  Speaker 5: Yea, how old was held to be, I don't know.
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  Speaker 12: It's full time. She just had it.
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  Speaker 1: She had it in the bathroom was what happened.
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  Speaker 13: And then she whatever she did, I don't know.
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  Speaker 12: She's gonna lie. She wouldn't tell us she's pregnant. She's
• 42:57
  Speaker 12: been lying the whole time.
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  Speaker 2: So she goes in the bathroom pregnant and then selling
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  Speaker 2: the baby's gone and it's underneath the clean bag near.
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  Speaker 1: The trash can. There's more. We discovered a dead baby
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  Speaker 1: in the bathroom.
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  Speaker 9: Oh my gosh, sorry, Lexie, I told you about this.
• 43:19
  Speaker 9: I just asked your babies tell me the truth.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: It's not cry and nothing was crying. Do you guys
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: have I'm the charge nurser.
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  Speaker 12: Do you guys have any questions for me?
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: How big is.
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  Speaker 5: What?
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  Speaker 1: Nine months?
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  Speaker 10: Something was?
• 43:42
  Speaker 9: Cort Let's have you watched the news of being the
• 43:46
  Speaker 9: girls and what they do to their babies.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: And what they go to jail? Was cry? Doctor Bethony Marshall,
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: what's with that? Mom?
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: Mom seems more concerned about her daughter than her grand baby.
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  Speaker 5: It's really concerning. And you know, this is what we
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: call nancy a soft kill. When women kill their babies,
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  Speaker 5: usually it's suffocating them, poisoning them, whereas with men it
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: sends to be some more of overt physical violence. So
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  Speaker 5: this is just a soft kill. And the mother never says,
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  Speaker 5: oh my god, my grandbaby. Those words do not come
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  Speaker 5: out of the mother's mouth.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like anything you just said, soft kilm Those
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  Speaker 2: words don't go together. Imagine how awful it would be
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: to be murdered my let's just say asphyxiation.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: Then, imagine if you're a baby, you can't speak, you
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: can't move, you can't run away, you can't.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Fight back, you have to just lay there and die
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: with something held down over your nose and mouth.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: And to doctor Kendall Crown's soft kill my rear end.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Could this baby have died by asphyxiation simply by the
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: baby putting being wrapped in towels and put in a
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  Speaker 2: trash bag?
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: Could that have asphyxiated suffocated the baby.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, we see that occasionally with full term infance or
• 45:10
  Speaker 8: babies that are beyond the twenty three week gestation. The
• 45:13
  Speaker 8: mother places it in the trash bag and seals the
• 45:15
  Speaker 8: trash bag, throwing it in the trash There's not enough
• 45:18
  Speaker 8: oxygen in there for the child to survive, and so
• 45:21
  Speaker 8: they eventually will suffocate by being an a plastic bag,
• 45:25
  Speaker 8: just as if you put a plastic bag over your head,
• 45:27
  Speaker 8: it would suffocate you.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: And then to Chris Buyer's private investigator at Buyer's Investigative Services,
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: I want you to hear this case.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Similar and it's one brought up by Josh Cole Road
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Skyler Richardson.
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  Speaker 13: Is your bedroom upstairs or bathroom upstairs? Okay, so you
• 45:43
  Speaker 13: had the wall downstairs. Are you carrying her? Did you
• 45:49
  Speaker 13: go into the garage or do you have an outdoor
• 45:51
  Speaker 13: shed like where you have a.
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  Speaker 4: Okay?
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  Speaker 3: When?
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: What did you find her?
• 45:55
  Speaker 12: What did you use?
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: Put a little old my god?
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  Speaker 13: Okay, Underston, what did you do?
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: Did you have it and you didn't have any help?
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: Okay?
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: What did you do with her while you were digging
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: the hole?
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: And Chris Buyers in that particular case, Skyler Richardson, dad asks,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: tell us what's going on, and she says, I tried
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: to cremate the baby just a little. She tried to
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: burn the baby.
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  Speaker 1: Chris. Yeah, that is absolutely mind blowing.
• 46:32
  Speaker 7: That level of evil.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: I just can't even imagine, just.
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: Just all of these cases we see just the level
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: of selfishness and self absorbedness in these in these girls,
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: and just treating.
• 46:44
  Speaker 11: These babies just like garbage just absolutely blows my mind.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Like garbage in every way putting it, putting babies in trash,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: throwing them in dumpsters.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: I want you to hear it from the horse's mouth
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Chris Here's Skyler Richardson stating that she tried to cremate
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: the baby.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Just a little.
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: Kind tells the too, says, you have to tell your
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: reasons to hear better.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: A little behind.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: I want to be very clear at this juncture, Lincoln
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Snelling is not charged with murder. We are also learning
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: that her roommates could hear her giving birth and then
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: snuck in when she left to go to McDonald's to
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: find the baby stuffed in her closet hours later, Snelling
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: reportedly tells the roommates the noise they heard was when
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: she quote fell over, passing out from a routine illness.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: When the roommates find the.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Baby in the closet, they till the dispatcher at nine
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  Speaker 2: one one. The infant was quote cold to the touch.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: After her arrest, Snelling withdraws from school and is no
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: longer a member of the stunt team. Hey, she's got
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: bigger problems than that. Leaving the stunt team. Lincoln Snelling
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: needs to consider life behind bars and what.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: That will be like. We wait as justice, of course.
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  Speaker 3: Goodbye friend,