Latest / Outspoken the Podcast / Tammy Hembrow’s GC Mansion For Sale

Transcript

Tammy Hembrow’s GC Mansion For Sale · Outspoken the Podcast

0:05
Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Outspoken. It's your dose of the
0:09
Speaker 1: hottest influencer and pop culture news twice a week. I'm
0:12
Speaker 1: Sophie Torber. And I'm Kate Torber. And coming up on
0:15
Speaker 1: today's show, Tammy Hembrough puts her Gold Coast mansion on
0:19
Speaker 1: the market. Aspen Ovard drops juicy details about her thruple.
0:24
Speaker 1: And Sarah's Day lists her famous pink sofa on Facebook Marketplace.
0:29
Speaker 1: The first, this week, Adele Petropoulos celebrated her 31st birthday
0:34
Speaker 1: and in doing so cracked the code on what true
0:37
Speaker 1: friendship is. Let's take a listen. I'll tell you what
0:40
Speaker 1: true friendship is.
0:41
Speaker 2: I'm 31 today.
0:42
Speaker 1: It's my birthday. The girls are like, what do you
0:44
Speaker 1: want for dinner?
0:44
Speaker 2: We're going to cook you dinner.
0:45
Speaker 1: I said, I don't care what we have for dinner.
0:46
Speaker 2: Do you know what I want?
0:47
Speaker 1: What I really want?
0:47
Speaker 2: I want to take my makeup off and I want
0:49
Speaker 2: to get in my flannel pajamas.
0:50
Speaker 1: They said, bet, bet. They're sending photos in the group
0:53
Speaker 1: chat of them in their flannels. I'm going to my
0:55
Speaker 1: friend's house in my pajamas. I think I'd fit in
0:58
Speaker 1: nicely with this friendship group because I absolutely love to
1:02
Speaker 1: be comfortable. Every night when my son goes to bed,
1:05
Speaker 1: I get into my pajamas straight away and I wash
1:07
Speaker 1: my face and it just makes me feel so fresh
1:10
Speaker 1: and ready for the night. This is a feeling that
1:12
Speaker 1: most men will never understand. It's sort of like that
1:15
Speaker 1: feeling of when you take your bra off, but on drugs.
1:17
Speaker 1: When you've washed all of the makeup off, like when
1:19
Speaker 1: I'm taking my contacts out, it's just a freedom like
1:23
Speaker 1: no other. I actually wore pajamas out to our family
1:26
Speaker 1: dinner last night. I was like, I don't care. Did you?
1:28
Speaker 1: I didn't even notice. Yeah. Well, my son was wearing
1:30
Speaker 1: these new Peter Rabbit pajamas and I have matching, well,
1:33
Speaker 1: similar ones. And I'm like, oh, can I get away
1:36
Speaker 1: with wearing these and being like, oh, I'm just wearing
1:38
Speaker 1: them to match. I honestly did not even take note.
1:42
Speaker 1: I have to say I never was one for tracksuit pants,
1:44
Speaker 1: but I'm in my tracksuit pant era at the moment.
1:47
Speaker 2: I'm going to show you an up close. Don't think
1:49
Speaker 2: we're gross. We are not grubby people. I've just lost
1:52
Speaker 2: care factor with this situation here.
1:54
Speaker 1: Sarah's Day has divided opinions by listing her famous pink
1:58
Speaker 1: sofa on Marketplace. Eagle-eyed followers spotted the couch and were
2:02
Speaker 1: outraged by the price gate. Look, it is on the
2:05
Speaker 1: high end of what you expect couches to be priced
2:08
Speaker 1: on Facebook Marketplace. She is asking for $ 6, 000 for the
2:12
Speaker 1: six-year-old couch. To be fair though... Sarah has listed the
2:15
Speaker 1: couch for half of what she paid for it. So
2:18
Speaker 1: originally she paid $ 11, 000. That is wild. I didn't realize
2:22
Speaker 1: people were paying $ 11, 000 for couches. Particularly a three-seater. It's
2:26
Speaker 1: not like this is like a module couch and it's
2:28
Speaker 1: got a chaise lounge or anything like that. A chaise lounge,
2:30
Speaker 1: hey Kate? Are you a bit embarrassed to pronounce how
2:33
Speaker 1: our family do? I'm terrified to pronounce anything at this point.
2:36
Speaker 1: We had a fight at family dinner last night over McDonald's, McDonald's. Croissant. Croissant. Well, okay,
2:42
Speaker 1: so this is kind of embarrassing. So for some reason
2:44
Speaker 1: our family pronounce it chaise lounge like the French people
2:47
Speaker 1: do and it's– you just come across as a wanker. Yeah,
2:51
Speaker 1: it is difficult to defend that one because it does
2:53
Speaker 1: sound rather comical. Getting back to the price of the couch,
2:56
Speaker 1: I'm just astounded by the price of furniture across the
3:00
Speaker 1: board at the moment. So my husband and I went
3:02
Speaker 1: to look for a new mattress and we just heard
3:04
Speaker 1: this shop assistant casually drop to this couple– that the
3:08
Speaker 1: mattress they were looking at was 20 grand and they
3:10
Speaker 1: were like, oh yeah, that sounds about right. And we
3:12
Speaker 1: were like, what the fuck? Was it one that like
3:13
Speaker 1: went up and down or? I don't know. I mean,
3:16
Speaker 1: I hope it had some sort of inbuilt massaging device
3:18
Speaker 1: or something, but it made us feel like we had
3:21
Speaker 1: to leave the store immediately because we're like, if that's
3:23
Speaker 1: sort of the median price of a mattress here. we
3:26
Speaker 1: cannot afford anything. Oh, I went mattress shopping at the
3:28
Speaker 1: start of the year and I felt ashamed because the
3:31
Speaker 1: shop assistant asked like, what's your budget? And I was like, oh,
3:33
Speaker 1: you know, around one to 2000, thinking that was quite
3:36
Speaker 1: a lot. And then she's like, oh, so lower range.
3:38
Speaker 1: I was like, what? It made me laugh because the
3:40
Speaker 1: week that we went mattress shopping, it was off the
3:42
Speaker 1: back of us chatting about Sarah's day's massive mattress. So
3:45
Speaker 1: I think her mattress was 9k or something. And she
3:48
Speaker 1: was so shocked when it arrived because it was so
3:52
Speaker 1: thick and Like she looked like the princess and the
3:54
Speaker 1: pea sitting on it. It seems like she's upgrading everything
3:57
Speaker 1: in her house at the moment. So this couch that
3:59
Speaker 1: she's selling is actually still available to purchase in store.
4:02
Speaker 1: It's the Jardin Wilfred 3 Seater. And if you are
4:06
Speaker 1: an avid Sarah's Day follower, you will know this couch
4:09
Speaker 1: very well. It's pink boucle and it sits as the
4:11
Speaker 1: focal point of the lounge. Now, when she purchased it
4:14
Speaker 1: around six years ago, a lot of her followers warned
4:17
Speaker 1: her it would get stained. Now, those worried followers were
4:20
Speaker 1: exactly right because in a vlog Sarah uploaded in mid-May,
4:25
Speaker 1: she revealed just how stained her couch is.
4:29
Speaker 2: Two issues with it. Number one, we got a few
4:31
Speaker 2: stains on it. The boys were eating on there. We
4:33
Speaker 2: got a few stains and then I just like lost
4:36
Speaker 2: all care. So I let them eat on the couch now.
4:38
Speaker 2: But also when we got it professionally cleaned, I feel
4:40
Speaker 2: like it came out great.
4:42
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not exactly selling the couch, is it?
4:44
Speaker 1: I don't think I'd be dropping $ 6, 000 on a couch
4:47
Speaker 1: that had turned from pink to grey. Well, these details,
4:50
Speaker 1: of course, weren't actually included in her Facebook listing. It's
4:54
Speaker 1: funny because I have listed quite a few couches on
4:56
Speaker 1: Marketplace before and you have to click down and it's like,
4:59
Speaker 1: in new condition, nearly new. Like there's all these different factors.
5:03
Speaker 1: I'd love to know what did she actually say about it? Well,
5:05
Speaker 1: she put used slash good condition. I mean, it's very subjective.
5:09
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I would say good condition after seeing
5:11
Speaker 1: the couch. on her vlog, the photos don't show any
5:15
Speaker 1: of the discoloration or stains that she pointed out. I mean,
5:18
Speaker 1: I suppose when you're putting stuff on Facebook Marketplace, you've
5:20
Speaker 1: got to put your best foot forward. I mean, there's
5:22
Speaker 1: always a few white lies going on. I'm going to
5:24
Speaker 1: out myself here because in the past, I have sold
5:26
Speaker 1: a couple of white couches on Facebook Marketplace and I
5:29
Speaker 1: have been known to run it through Adobe. What is
5:33
Speaker 1: it called? The Adobe filters. And I do brighten the
5:36
Speaker 1: white a bit because... I always intend to wash the
5:40
Speaker 1: couch before I sell. And we always do.
5:43
Speaker 2: But.
5:44
Speaker 1: Usually it's sitting in one of our old rooms that
5:46
Speaker 1: we haven't got to it yet. So I'm just showing
5:48
Speaker 1: buyers what it will look like when they pick it up.
5:51
Speaker 1: That's my excuse anyway. God, what a spin on that.
5:53
Speaker 1: I actually remember when you sold that couch and you guys,
5:56
Speaker 1: you did wash it. Yeah, it looked nice, didn't it?
5:58
Speaker 1: Didn't you wash it in your bath or something? You
6:00
Speaker 1: had them soaking in it. We did wash it in
6:02
Speaker 1: our bath. I also grabbed like one of those blue,
6:05
Speaker 1: is that, they're called chucks? It's some blue wetix thing.
6:09
Speaker 1: And just a warning to anyone. Don't use that on
6:12
Speaker 1: a white couch because the blue rubs onto the white.
6:15
Speaker 1: I had no idea. Probably could have told you that.
6:19
Speaker 1: The dye shouldn't lift onto the couch though. They literally
6:22
Speaker 1: cost like 50 cents, those cloths. So, I mean, I
6:25
Speaker 1: sometimes feel like marketplace is buyer's beware. In saying that,
6:28
Speaker 1: people do come and inspect it before you sell it. So,
6:31
Speaker 1: they've got to give you the green light to go
6:32
Speaker 1: ahead with the purchase. It's very awkward to be picky
6:35
Speaker 1: in person though. Oh, people have been though. We once
6:37
Speaker 1: put a bird bath up online. And it's because I
6:41
Speaker 1: put it up. It was this birdbath that came with
6:43
Speaker 1: our house. Like it was just in the garden and
6:46
Speaker 1: it's really ugly. And I put it up online one
6:48
Speaker 1: day for $ 20. And we were literally inundated with people
6:51
Speaker 1: who wanted it. And I thought, oh my God, I've
6:53
Speaker 1: really low balled it. So I ended up removing the ad,
6:56
Speaker 1: putting it back up for $ 100. We had this older
6:59
Speaker 1: couple drive from an hour away to come and see it,
7:02
Speaker 1: to come and pick it up. And they were so
7:04
Speaker 1: rude to us when they arrived. They're like, this thing's
7:06
Speaker 1: completely rusted and it doesn't look anything like the photo.
7:10
Speaker 1: Oh God. So you're doing some more catfishing, some more
7:12
Speaker 1: Adobe Premiere Pro. I actually didn't put that one through
7:15
Speaker 1: any filters. It is an interesting decision for someone like
7:18
Speaker 1: Sarah's day to actually sell her couch online because I
7:21
Speaker 1: wonder if any of her... stands will want to come
7:23
Speaker 1: over and check it out and want the couch. Yeah,
7:26
Speaker 1: they might just come over to have a bit of
7:27
Speaker 1: a sticky beak at her house and try and strike
7:29
Speaker 1: up a friendship. It's funny because she actually is a
7:31
Speaker 1: very avid Facebook marketplacer. So I checked out the listing
7:36
Speaker 1: and had a look at her profile and she's got
7:37
Speaker 1: a really good rating. So she's got five out of
7:39
Speaker 1: five from her shoppers and she has been making some
7:43
Speaker 1: decent cash from her listing. So She actually sold her
7:46
Speaker 1: infrared sauna that her husband, Kurt, gave her for Christmas
7:49
Speaker 1: a few years ago. Wasn't that full of mold, apparently? Yeah. Well,
7:52
Speaker 1: guess what she got for it? So an infrared sauna,
7:55
Speaker 1: they're about $ 10, 000, aren't they, to buy? Brand new, it
7:58
Speaker 1: was around $ 8, 000. I'm guessing, judging by the couch, she
8:01
Speaker 1: sold it for half that price, so $ 4, 000. She got
8:03
Speaker 1: $ 4, 000 for it. I suppose people probably just thought they
8:05
Speaker 1: could clean it out. Give it a bit of spit
8:08
Speaker 1: and polish maybe. Yeah. I noticed also she has sold
8:11
Speaker 1: a lot of her Globe West furniture, which appeared to
8:13
Speaker 1: be a part of a big brand deal she did
8:16
Speaker 1: seven or eight years ago. Well, I kind of get that.
8:18
Speaker 1: I mean, she's done the deal and she, you know,
8:20
Speaker 1: in seven years your taste in furniture does change. Well,
8:23
Speaker 1: she sold a dining table from the brand for $ 4, 355
8:26
Speaker 1: and dining chairs for $ 400. She's also sold her Pilates Reformer.
8:32
Speaker 1: So yeah, she got $ 2, 999 for it after paying $ 5, 995
8:37
Speaker 1: for it. I suppose she's got that whole new gym
8:42
Speaker 1: built at the back of her house overlooking the pool.
8:44
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you put it in there then? I think
8:46
Speaker 1: because she's now into all of that high rock, sort
8:49
Speaker 1: of high intensity training. Maybe she figures if she wants
8:52
Speaker 1: to do a Pilates workout, she'll just go to a studio.
8:54
Speaker 1: Another interesting thing she sold were her two Moroccan rugs,
8:57
Speaker 1: not to be mistaken by those infamous Moroccan pillowcases. One
9:01
Speaker 1: of the rugs sold for $ 1, 200 and the other for $ 500.
9:05
Speaker 1: I do want to point out not everything has been
9:07
Speaker 1: earning her cash. She also had a couple of giveaways
9:09
Speaker 1: on her page. So one was a Globe West outdoor
9:12
Speaker 1: couch that was pretty, I will say it politely, well-loved.
9:15
Speaker 1: And the other was a nursing chair and they got
9:17
Speaker 1: snapped up for free. I mean, I am a bit
9:19
Speaker 1: of a fan of Sarah's day's interior design taste. If
9:22
Speaker 1: only I lived at Cronulla. There's been a lot of
9:24
Speaker 1: chatter online about Sarah's decision to list this couch for
9:28
Speaker 1: quite a hefty price on Facebook Marketplace. People seem to
9:31
Speaker 1: think because she is rich that she should just give
9:35
Speaker 1: her stuff away, that she shouldn't be making any money
9:37
Speaker 1: off it. What do you think? Oh, I mean, this
9:39
Speaker 1: is how the rich stay rich. They're savvy with their money.
9:42
Speaker 1: I definitely don't think that she should have to give
9:44
Speaker 1: it away for free purely because she has a profile.
9:48
Speaker 1: That being said, when I saw this ad pop up,
9:50
Speaker 1: I thought, wow, that's very expensive. But then as I've mentioned,
9:55
Speaker 1: I am a bit of an avid Facebook marketplaces myself
9:58
Speaker 1: and I have noticed over the past year the prices
10:00
Speaker 1: of furniture really has increased. People aren't just giving away
10:05
Speaker 1: bargains anymore. And I think it's to do with the
10:07
Speaker 1: cost of living. Everything's getting more expensive. But I mean,
10:11
Speaker 1: I suppose in her head, she's thought, well, I've halved
10:13
Speaker 1: the price of it. It's still a nice brand. It'll
10:17
Speaker 1: just be interesting to see if anyone's interested in it.
10:19
Speaker 1: It's funny because a lot of people have only come
10:22
Speaker 1: across her once she's been in this really good financial position.
10:25
Speaker 1: But if you've watched her channel for a long time,
10:28
Speaker 1: you know, back in the day when she wasn't earning
10:29
Speaker 1: heaps of money, she was always pretty thrifty. And it's
10:32
Speaker 1: really interesting because even once someone has become rich, often
10:36
Speaker 1: the way they treat money or spend money has been
10:39
Speaker 1: ingrained in them from when they were younger. So it's
10:41
Speaker 1: clear she probably grew up as someone who was careful
10:44
Speaker 1: with money and My whole thought is if you have
10:46
Speaker 1: 6K to drop on a couch, because that alone is
10:49
Speaker 1: a lot of money, you're probably just going to go
10:51
Speaker 1: and buy a brand new one. Yeah. I mean, that's
10:53
Speaker 1: what I was thinking. It seems like Sarah is really
10:55
Speaker 1: trying to recoup some money for her new couch because
10:58
Speaker 1: she wants a couch from the same company. And the
11:02
Speaker 1: one that she wants retails for $ 13, 000. So, you know,
11:06
Speaker 1: if she manages to get 6K from Facebook Marketplace, it's
11:09
Speaker 1: nearly half the couch. I mean, I've always thought that
11:10
Speaker 1: that pink couch was a really odd choice. Not just
11:13
Speaker 1: the color, but as we mentioned- the size. Like who
11:16
Speaker 1: has a three-seater couch for a family of five? Well,
11:20
Speaker 1: she's got a movie room upstairs. So I'm more of
11:22
Speaker 1: a fan of that couch. If she's putting that one online,
11:24
Speaker 1: I might try and stamp that one up on Marketplace.
11:27
Speaker 1: I mean, the other thing is I personally would not
11:29
Speaker 1: buy a couch from someone who I know has three
11:33
Speaker 1: young children. As I touched on on the weekend, there
11:35
Speaker 1: was a lot of food getting squashed into our couch and,
11:37
Speaker 1: you know, I'd prefer to buy a couch from some dinks,
11:40
Speaker 1: I think. See, some dinks preferably with no dog.
11:43
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like anytime I like post anything about
11:45
Speaker 2: my relationship, I just like open up a can of worms, which.
11:48
Speaker 1: Is on me. Aspen Ovard is gearing up for her
11:51
Speaker 1: appearance on The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, Orange County.
11:55
Speaker 1: In the lead up to the show's debut, the US
11:57
Speaker 1: influencer has been dropping more juicy details about her relationship
12:02
Speaker 1: with a married couple. Now, Kate, before we get into it,
12:05
Speaker 1: can you get listeners up to speed with this relationship?
12:08
Speaker 1: So prior to being a part of this throuple, Aspen
12:11
Speaker 1: was married to Parker Ferris. Now, they got married when
12:15
Speaker 1: they were 19 and were together for eight years and
12:17
Speaker 1: share three children. They're Mormon adjacent. Yeah, there's been a
12:22
Speaker 1: lot of confusion over the years. Many people assumed that
12:24
Speaker 1: they were Mormon because they live in Utah and they
12:27
Speaker 1: are surrounded by a lot of religious communities. But They
12:31
Speaker 1: are not practicing Mormons. No, they are not. And people
12:34
Speaker 1: got quite a shock in April 2024 when they filed
12:37
Speaker 1: for divorce. It was actually the same day they announced
12:40
Speaker 1: the birth of their third child. Yeah, it was very bizarre.
12:43
Speaker 1: And not long after, Aspen got into a casual relationship
12:47
Speaker 1: with a married woman called Bree Davies after she slid
12:50
Speaker 1: into her DMs. That was after a really bizarre series.
12:54
Speaker 1: of TikToks where Aspen was almost trying to act like
12:57
Speaker 1: she and her husband were getting back together. So she
12:59
Speaker 1: uploaded this video where she was grinding on him and
13:03
Speaker 1: then she was talking about how much she hated her mother-in-law.
13:06
Speaker 1: It was just very attention seeking. Well, Aspen said she
13:09
Speaker 1: met Brie when she was at her lowest point. Now
13:12
Speaker 1: at the time, Brie had an open relationship with her husband, Billy,
13:15
Speaker 1: but they weren't actually looking for a third person to
13:17
Speaker 1: enter this relationship. Aspen had also sworn off men. So
13:21
Speaker 1: she said that she wasn't interested in Bree's husband at
13:24
Speaker 1: all until she met him and realized that they were
13:27
Speaker 1: so similar. And I suppose the rest is history. So
13:30
Speaker 1: they are now a throuple. I think we spoke about
13:33
Speaker 1: this a couple of months ago. And at the time,
13:36
Speaker 1: there was some confusion as to whether Aspen was actually
13:40
Speaker 1: with Bree's husband as well. Or if it was a
13:42
Speaker 1: situation where Brie was just with the both of them? Yeah, well,
13:46
Speaker 1: she has been very open with the fact that she
13:48
Speaker 1: is in love with Billy. She actually refers to Brie
13:51
Speaker 1: as her wife. But when she talks about Billy, she
13:54
Speaker 1: says her boyfriend, she says the term husband is too
13:56
Speaker 1: traumatizing for her. Well, that's big that she's saying she's
13:59
Speaker 1: married to Brie though. Well, she's actually come out and
14:02
Speaker 1: confirmed that they're not legally married. She said she would
14:04
Speaker 1: never legally marry again after her experience. But She says
14:08
Speaker 1: that they're so stable and in such a serious relationship
14:11
Speaker 1: that she views Brie as her wife. The interesting thing
14:13
Speaker 1: is that Brie and Billy are legally married. It's all
14:16
Speaker 1: very fascinating. It makes me feel very boring. Now, Aspen
14:19
Speaker 1: has confirmed that Brie and Billy will appear on the
14:23
Speaker 1: show alongside her. I mean- That's not entirely surprising, is it?
14:26
Speaker 1: I'm sure the producers saw this situation and were like,
14:29
Speaker 1: we can't have this show without Brie and Billie. Like,
14:31
Speaker 1: we need to film what is going on here. Oh,
14:34
Speaker 1: this is the only reason I'm actually going to be
14:36
Speaker 1: tuning in. I've heard a lot of good things about
14:38
Speaker 1: the franchise. but I think I'm going to commit to
14:41
Speaker 1: see Aspen. Now, filming has wrapped for the show and
14:45
Speaker 1: Aspen seemed like she was feeling pretty unsure about how
14:47
Speaker 1: it was actually all going to come out in the edit.
14:49
Speaker 1: So on TikTok, she told her followers that the cameras
14:53
Speaker 1: were there, they captured their normal life, their conversations, and
14:56
Speaker 1: she really hopes their relationship just comes across as any
14:58
Speaker 1: normal relationship. Do I have to break this to Aspen?
15:03
Speaker 1: Of course, this over-dramatized reality show is not going to
15:07
Speaker 1: portray this throuple. as a normal relationship. No, there's no way.
15:12
Speaker 1: I mean, she said she tried to act as authentic
15:15
Speaker 1: and real as possible, but she knows when she watches
15:18
Speaker 1: the show back, it's going to feel different to what
15:20
Speaker 1: she lived because it's edited. It's also not an entirely
15:23
Speaker 1: regular situation. It's going to take a lot for people
15:25
Speaker 1: to get their heads around how this thruple works and operates.
15:28
Speaker 1: And I mean, it is important to show the mechanics
15:31
Speaker 1: of it on a show because one, it is fascinating.
15:33
Speaker 1: And two, I'm sure there are more people in the
15:36
Speaker 1: US in particular than we think actually in this scenario. Well,
15:40
Speaker 1: she said she's had a lot of people reaching out
15:41
Speaker 1: to her, thanking her for making them feel more normal
15:44
Speaker 1: that are also in throuples. It seems like she's really
15:47
Speaker 1: been ramping up the throuple content on her TikTok. So
15:50
Speaker 1: she actually told her followers she's saving some of the
15:52
Speaker 1: details about their relationship for the show. But she said, look,
15:56
Speaker 1: I've been sharing my life online for 13 years. So
15:59
Speaker 1: I'm still committed to sharing it on here with you guys.
16:01
Speaker 1: But there's a reason that she's sharing this throuple content.
16:04
Speaker 1: Like she's saying, Oh God, I hope these people portray
16:06
Speaker 1: this relationship in a normal light. Whilst also knowing that
16:09
Speaker 1: people are so curious and interested in it because it
16:12
Speaker 1: is an unusual situation. She's really making the most of it.
16:15
Speaker 1: So she has been sharing an influx of videos that
16:18
Speaker 1: now feature Brie and Billy. She did a boyfriend tag
16:21
Speaker 1: with Billy in the car and they were like sitting
16:23
Speaker 1: in the front seat and Brie was in the back seat,
16:26
Speaker 1: which raised a lot of questions. Like, how do you
16:28
Speaker 1: pick who sits in the front seat? And she answered
16:31
Speaker 1: it in a Q & A. She's like, I can't
16:33
Speaker 1: believe that was one of the top questions. Like it
16:35
Speaker 1: had 10,000 likes on it. And she said, we don't
16:37
Speaker 1: really decide. It's just whoever gets there. But I'm like,
16:39
Speaker 1: there's surely some power plays going on. There is a hierarchy.
16:43
Speaker 1: As someone who has been part of the non-sexual thruple
16:45
Speaker 1: for their whole life, aka being triplets, I always get
16:49
Speaker 1: the back seat. And that is because I am the
16:51
Speaker 1: youngest and there is a hierarchy. Yes. Even when we
16:54
Speaker 1: shared a car, I was always in the back seat.
16:56
Speaker 1: even I was on a walk with Amy today and
16:59
Speaker 1: Amy's like, this way, let's turn this corner. And I said,
17:02
Speaker 1: my whole thing growing up is I just take direction.
17:05
Speaker 1: I'm like, where are we going? I don't, I don't
17:07
Speaker 1: take control over this. It's really interesting because Aspen has
17:09
Speaker 1: come into this already formed relationship, like Billy and Brie
17:13
Speaker 1: are married. So how does that work? Billy said that
17:15
Speaker 1: Brie and Aspen wear the pants. And it's interesting because then,
17:18
Speaker 1: you know, Aspen and Brie had their relationship without Billy
17:22
Speaker 1: for a while as well. So I am so intrigued
17:24
Speaker 1: to see how it plays out on the show. I
17:26
Speaker 1: assume Billy and Brie don't have any children. No, they don't.
17:29
Speaker 1: But for listeners who aren't aware, Aspen has three, which
17:32
Speaker 1: is why I'm guessing she actually lives without Brie and Billy.
17:36
Speaker 1: So Brie and Billy used to live in New Jersey
17:38
Speaker 1: and Aspen moved from Utah to California. And now Brie
17:43
Speaker 1: and Billy have moved to California, presumably to be on
17:46
Speaker 1: the show, but they live in a separate house. But apparently...
17:49
Speaker 1: they're there all the time. I'm guessing that people are
17:51
Speaker 1: also interested in their sleeping arrangements. Oh, that is the
17:54
Speaker 1: top question. She hasn't actually gone into detail. I just
17:57
Speaker 1: know for sure that on the show, they're going to
17:59
Speaker 1: do a tour of the rooms that they share, but
18:02
Speaker 1: she did say she likes to be in the middle. Again,
18:06
Speaker 1: this is going to sound really weird, but when we
18:09
Speaker 1: were in our early twenties and we'd go on holiday
18:12
Speaker 1: together because we didn't want to pay for to connecting rooms.
18:15
Speaker 1: We would just get one room and we'd get a
18:17
Speaker 1: room with a king size bed. So all three of
18:20
Speaker 1: us would be in this bed. Could you stop comparing
18:21
Speaker 1: our relationship to sexual throuple? Like it's so different. I
18:24
Speaker 1: remember we'd take it in turns. We had to go
18:27
Speaker 1: in the middle because it was so annoying. Cause if
18:28
Speaker 1: you had to go to the toilet in the middle
18:31
Speaker 1: of the night, you had to sort of stand up
18:33
Speaker 1: and then walk off the bed. Like you couldn't just
18:35
Speaker 1: roll over and So, I mean, logistics of that would
18:37
Speaker 1: be a nightmare if that was your every day. There's
18:40
Speaker 1: no way you would want to sleep in the middle.
18:42
Speaker 1: It makes me think, though, that she's the new exciting
18:44
Speaker 1: play thing that the married couple want in the middle.
18:48
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Because it's probably
18:50
Speaker 1: like a novelty to have her there. It was so awkward.
18:53
Speaker 1: One of the questions was in the boyfriend tag, like,
18:57
Speaker 1: what was your first impression of me and how did
18:59
Speaker 1: we first meet? And Billy goes, oh, when you were
19:03
Speaker 1: at the airport when she came over to Fark. They
19:05
Speaker 1: beeped out the word fuck. I'm assuming it was fuck.
19:07
Speaker 1: And then he said their first date was in his bed.
19:09
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is so charming. Yes, it's
19:12
Speaker 1: a very beautiful, beautiful love story. I've just been wondering, like,
19:16
Speaker 1: what do all the families think of this? And Aspen
19:19
Speaker 1: said that Brie and Billie's family have been incredibly accepting
19:22
Speaker 1: and welcoming. In fact, one of the TikToks she was
19:24
Speaker 1: filming was in Billie's sister's bathroom and she mentioned how
19:28
Speaker 1: Brie's family had been over visiting and they all had
19:31
Speaker 1: a great time. Is that a situation, though, where... you're
19:35
Speaker 1: the throuple and you think everyone's cool about it. But
19:37
Speaker 1: the second you leave, everyone's like, oh my God, what
19:39
Speaker 1: is going on? Well, Aspen actually said that she's lost
19:42
Speaker 1: a lot of friends over it. So I mean, that's
19:44
Speaker 1: very sad. But I mean, it is quite an unusual situation.
19:47
Speaker 1: And I think it's extra difficult when there's children involved. Well,
19:51
Speaker 1: what adds an extra element is Aspen's ex Parker, because
19:56
Speaker 1: recently she's been sharing some photo dumps and Parker is
20:00
Speaker 1: in them. So there was a photo of Parker and
20:02
Speaker 1: Billy piggybacking their her kids around. What's the word when
20:07
Speaker 1: there's four? Is it a foursome or a quadruple? Like
20:10
Speaker 1: what is it? Well, I don't know, but people thought
20:13
Speaker 1: it was actually on because Aspen also uploaded a photo
20:18
Speaker 1: where she was kissing Parker surrounded by their children. Yeah.
20:22
Speaker 1: So she swiftly deleted it, but apparently it was a
20:25
Speaker 1: bit of an in joke. So she captioned the photo,
20:28
Speaker 1: had to do it. And apparently it It was a
20:32
Speaker 1: recreation of this annual photo that they always used to take.
20:35
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. How confusing for their children. Yeah. I don't
20:38
Speaker 1: know why they had to include the kids in the photo.
20:40
Speaker 1: I mean, they're dealing with enough at home. Like that
20:42
Speaker 1: situation with the throuple is confusing enough. I mean, if
20:44
Speaker 1: this was some big in joke, I think that it
20:47
Speaker 1: should have been kept as that not published on social media.
20:49
Speaker 1: I loved one of the comments under a TikTok, which
20:52
Speaker 1: was speculating about this whole situation. It said, I'm confused
20:55
Speaker 1: why people are confused. When you're just a girly who
20:57
Speaker 1: is queer and in a throuple and kisses her ex-husband
21:00
Speaker 1: for the plot. What's confusing? Catch up. A super sleuth
21:05
Speaker 1: has uncovered that Tammy Hembrough is selling her Gold Coast mansion.
21:09
Speaker 1: The eagle-eyed fan spotted Tammy's house listed on domain and
21:13
Speaker 1: shared the ad to their TikTok account. Now, in the ad,
21:17
Speaker 1: the real estate agent featured 24 images of Tammy's home,
21:21
Speaker 1: including a her distinctive cat scratcher post, that's what gave
21:25
Speaker 1: it away for me, her wavy mirror that she takes
21:27
Speaker 1: a lot of selfies in and her colorful kitchen vases.
21:30
Speaker 1: So there is no confusion. This is for sure Tammy
21:34
Speaker 1: Hembrough's house. I mean, anyone who follows her would recognize
21:37
Speaker 1: this being her house because it's always the backdrop of
21:40
Speaker 1: her Instagram stories. That's why I was so surprised that
21:43
Speaker 1: the listing included her address. I would have thought it
21:45
Speaker 1: would be suppressed. I mean, that's quite a normal thing,
21:47
Speaker 1: particularly if it's a high profile person and an expensive property.
21:52
Speaker 1: It also seems a bit unsafe to include the address
21:54
Speaker 1: when the buyer has children living at the house as well.
21:58
Speaker 1: And it seemed really unnecessary because in the ad, it
22:01
Speaker 1: pointed out that they're not going to be doing any
22:02
Speaker 1: public opens. So if there are genuine buyers who are
22:06
Speaker 1: inquiring about this house and are wanting to look at
22:08
Speaker 1: it privately, they could have just sent the address directly
22:11
Speaker 1: to them. That's really odd, isn't it? I mean, it
22:15
Speaker 1: did point out in the ad that the property is
22:17
Speaker 1: tucked behind security gates. So Maybe that's why it isn't
22:21
Speaker 1: a concern for Tammy. But can you imagine how many
22:23
Speaker 1: people are probably going to be trying to do drive-bys
22:25
Speaker 1: of this house? I mean, it is on the riverfront,
22:26
Speaker 1: so maybe it's not easily accessible. I remember Anna Paul
22:29
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago complaining about how she couldn't
22:32
Speaker 1: even drive into her gated community without people being out
22:35
Speaker 1: in the front wanting her autograph and wanting photos. And
22:38
Speaker 1: this is despite having security there. Let's get back to
22:41
Speaker 1: the listing. So the real estate agent described the home
22:44
Speaker 1: as a timeless main river haven for families and entertainers.
22:49
Speaker 1: highlighted the superb river and skyline views. And the tone
22:52
Speaker 1: that I took from the ad is that Tammy is
22:54
Speaker 1: very interested in getting rid of this property as quickly
22:58
Speaker 1: as she can, because it's stated in the ad that
23:00
Speaker 1: expressions of interest close on the 10th of August, which
23:04
Speaker 1: is pretty soon. This just all seems to be a
23:06
Speaker 1: decision that's just come out of nowhere. And no price
23:10
Speaker 1: guide has been listed on this property. It does point
23:13
Speaker 1: out in the ad though, that Tammy purchased the home
23:15
Speaker 1: in 2020 and for $ 2. 88 million. So surely she's hoping
23:21
Speaker 1: for considerably more than that. I was a bit nosy
23:24
Speaker 1: and I looked at the predicted property value online, which
23:27
Speaker 1: you can do if you have the address for a house.
23:30
Speaker 1: And it seems to have absolutely soared since 2020, as
23:32
Speaker 1: we know with real estate. So the house is now
23:34
Speaker 1: apparently worth $ 5. 7 million. I was pretty surprised when this
23:38
Speaker 1: listing popped up because as an avid follower of Tammy Hembrough,
23:43
Speaker 1: I am yet to hear her mention that she is
23:45
Speaker 1: looking at other houses or even that she wanted to
23:47
Speaker 1: sell or was unhappy with her house. So it does
23:51
Speaker 1: appear to have come out of nowhere. Obviously, she has
23:53
Speaker 1: her own private life away from the cameras, but it
23:58
Speaker 1: is rather interesting timing. I mean, it got a lot
24:01
Speaker 1: of people wondering, like, is she moving to Sydney to
24:03
Speaker 1: be with Grayson? Well, before we do dive into that,
24:06
Speaker 1: because I do have a couple of theories of my own,
24:08
Speaker 1: I have to talk about the person who broke this
24:11
Speaker 1: news on TikTok, because it was actually a dog account
24:14
Speaker 1: with 15,000 followers. So the account is called Iggy Melb
24:18
Speaker 1: Social Events, and it's primarily used by the dog's owner
24:22
Speaker 1: to share about its two Italian greyhounds. So, I mean,
24:26
Speaker 1: this Tammy content was very left of field. The thing is,
24:29
Speaker 1: usually we do see a lot of dog accounts trolling people,
24:32
Speaker 1: but they don't actually include the owner on the account.
24:35
Speaker 1: The owner is quite happy to be on this account.
24:38
Speaker 1: Do you think it was an accidental upload and then
24:40
Speaker 1: it just went viral? Like were they meant to put
24:42
Speaker 1: it on a different burner account? I don't know. Do
24:44
Speaker 1: you know what though? When I sometimes see these dog
24:47
Speaker 1: accounts trolling us over certain things or just making comments
24:50
Speaker 1: on our videos. I always feel sorry for the dog
24:53
Speaker 1: or cat in question because I'm like, they've got no idea.
24:56
Speaker 1: I didn't even know we were being trolled online by dogs.
24:59
Speaker 1: I don't look at the stuff. By dogs. Anyway, a
25:04
Speaker 1: couple like you, Kate, were convinced that she's selling because
25:07
Speaker 1: she wants to move to Sydney to be with her
25:08
Speaker 1: new boyfriend, Grayson Timoana. One user wrote, maybe she's marrying
25:12
Speaker 1: the 22-year-old F boy and has to downsize to afford
25:16
Speaker 1: his keep. I personally don't think that this is why
25:20
Speaker 1: she's selling. I mean, her ex-husband Matt lived in Melbourne
25:23
Speaker 1: and she never made any plans to move there, despite
25:26
Speaker 1: the fact that he was very close with his family. Well,
25:29
Speaker 1: I don't think she could move to Sydney considering she's
25:31
Speaker 1: got shared custody with Matt Paul and Annalise Oatway. And
25:34
Speaker 1: I don't think she'd want to either. It sounds like
25:36
Speaker 1: she gets an incredible amount of help from them. Yeah,
25:39
Speaker 1: I don't think you're pulling your kids out of school.
25:41
Speaker 1: and literally relocating them for some 22-year-old guy. I mean, sorry,
25:46
Speaker 1: he is 23 now. I need to give him that.
25:48
Speaker 1: I fucking hope not. Seriously. One of the biggest theories
25:52
Speaker 1: is that she's gone broke. So a user said her
25:55
Speaker 1: clothing company was shut down unexpectedly and Selfish Supps is closing.
25:59
Speaker 1: Maybe money issues. Now, someone in the comment section actually
26:02
Speaker 1: defended Tammy saying, no, she isn't. She's probably buying a
26:05
Speaker 1: more expensive property. And another follower agreed saying, Tammy wants
26:10
Speaker 1: to move to a property in the countryside so she
26:12
Speaker 1: can have a bigger house and more land to have
26:14
Speaker 1: chickens on. And I did notice the day that this
26:18
Speaker 1: listing came out, Tammy casually dropped on a TikTok that
26:21
Speaker 1: she loves eggs so much that she'd love to have
26:24
Speaker 1: chickens on her property one day. And to me, you'd
26:28
Speaker 1: think that this would make me think, oh yeah, maybe
26:29
Speaker 1: she is upgrading her house. But this actually made me
26:32
Speaker 1: more convinced that she is broke because we know that
26:35
Speaker 1: Tammy Hembrough is the queen of distraction tactics. So I
26:39
Speaker 1: think she strategically placed this comment about eggs the day
26:43
Speaker 1: that the listing came out to defend the broke theory.
26:47
Speaker 1: So to say, oh, no, no, no, I'm actually considering
26:49
Speaker 1: moving somewhere grander than this. An Easter egg as such. Yes. Yes,
26:54
Speaker 1: an Easter egg. I think the timing is incredibly interesting,
26:58
Speaker 1: especially when you consider the year that Tammy Hembrough has had.
27:00
Speaker 1: It hasn't been a good financial year for her. At
27:03
Speaker 1: the end of last year, she shocked her followers when
27:06
Speaker 1: she announced the closure of her activewear brand, Sasky. A
27:10
Speaker 1: couple of days after announcing this news, a photo of
27:13
Speaker 1: her office went viral. And in the photo, there was
27:17
Speaker 1: an eviction notice pinned to the door. Now, the notice
27:20
Speaker 1: alleged that the business owed $ 27, 000 in unpaid rent. At
27:24
Speaker 1: the time, the Sydney Morning Herald picked up on the
27:27
Speaker 1: story and reached out to Tammy Hembrough. She claimed that
27:30
Speaker 1: there is no rent outstanding on the property. There's also
27:33
Speaker 1: been a lot of rumors about the supplement company that
27:36
Speaker 1: she owns with her sister, Selfish Supps. Now, we spoke
27:40
Speaker 1: about this in depth back in May, but it seems
27:43
Speaker 1: like that business is winding down. They haven't been posting
27:47
Speaker 1: on social media. It's been on heavy discount at Chemist Warehouse.
27:52
Speaker 1: Some Chemist Warehouse don't even stock it anymore. It all
27:55
Speaker 1: really seems to come in contrast with this image that
27:58
Speaker 1: was presented of Tammy last year, because She appeared on
28:01
Speaker 1: the Australian Financial Review's Young Rich List where she was
28:04
Speaker 1: ranked number 90 with an estimated fortune of $ 58 million.
28:09
Speaker 1: And it's interesting when you look more into how the
28:11
Speaker 1: AFR come up with these figures because they don't actually
28:15
Speaker 1: count the liquid cash sitting in an influencer or business
28:18
Speaker 1: person's account. So they look at wealth markers including assets, investments, properties,
28:24
Speaker 1: brand equity and future revenues. So I wonder also if
28:29
Speaker 1: there's a bit of PR involved, if Tammy Hanborough's publicist
28:32
Speaker 1: comes to them and has to report what she's worth.
28:35
Speaker 1: How much do they have to prove it as well?
28:37
Speaker 1: Because obviously it's very beneficial for your personal brand to
28:41
Speaker 1: appear on these rich lists because why else would people
28:44
Speaker 1: agree to be on it? It just makes them a
28:46
Speaker 1: target to be robbed or for ridicule. or for jealousy.
28:50
Speaker 1: There obviously is some personal benefit to promoting the fact
28:54
Speaker 1: that you've made this amount of money. Like it makes
28:56
Speaker 1: you look like a more attractive commodity for businesses to
29:00
Speaker 1: either invest in your companies, brands want to be aligned
29:03
Speaker 1: to you. I can't wait for October when the rich
29:06
Speaker 1: list comes out to say, well, where does she rank now?
29:09
Speaker 1: I really wouldn't be surprised if she is struggling financially.
29:12
Speaker 1: particularly when you consider obviously the closures as we've touched on,
29:15
Speaker 1: but also the fact that she's been having to appear
29:18
Speaker 1: on so many television shows recently. It seems like she
29:20
Speaker 1: is desperate for a cash injection. She's recently become the
29:25
Speaker 1: face of Elite 11's activewear as well. And I have
29:29
Speaker 1: noticed on her Instagram story, she is doing these massive
29:33
Speaker 1: pushes for her followers to sign up to a fitness plan.
29:36
Speaker 1: Like she's known to occasionally pop up and do it,
29:39
Speaker 1: but it's been relentless. Every day she's been posting about it.
29:43
Speaker 1: And I just think that she's probably like, fuck, I
29:47
Speaker 1: need people to sign up. Like I don't have these
29:49
Speaker 1: other revenue streams of other businesses anymore. Like maybe, I mean,
29:53
Speaker 1: I think where she's gone wrong is this new boyfriend. Yeah.
29:57
Speaker 1: I mean, everyone's so invested in her personal life, but
30:00
Speaker 1: I feel like people are finding the whole 23-year-old boyfriend
30:03
Speaker 1: thing a bit tragic. I mean, I don't think it's
30:05
Speaker 1: good for a personal brand, but Sasky was shot before that.
30:08
Speaker 1: And I think Selfish Supps was floundering before he came
30:11
Speaker 1: on the scene as well. I think the difference is
30:14
Speaker 1: back in the day, it was all about her body
30:17
Speaker 1: and people wanting to look like her and do a
30:19
Speaker 1: fitness plan and wear the same clothes as her. And
30:22
Speaker 1: now it's more turned into... oh, who's she dating? And
30:25
Speaker 1: her products don't really align with that. They're more health focused.
30:28
Speaker 1: Even when you consider the fact that she was willing
30:31
Speaker 1: to really pay herself out on a Tinder ad recently.
30:35
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not doing that if you were $ 58 million.
30:38
Speaker 1: Like you're having a level of respect and privacy here.
30:41
Speaker 1: your relationships. Yeah and it makes more sense as to
30:44
Speaker 1: why she would be really promoting her relationship at the
30:48
Speaker 1: moment because it creates so much engagement on her social
30:50
Speaker 1: media accounts and it seems like maybe she's having to
30:53
Speaker 1: rely on influencing to actually earn her wage now rather
30:56
Speaker 1: than having these different revenue streams coming through. I mean
31:00
Speaker 1: Tammy could turn around and prove us all wrong by
31:02
Speaker 1: buying an epic property on the coast where she's got
31:05
Speaker 1: enough room for a chicken coop and horses and all
31:09
Speaker 1: the rest of it. But sadly, I don't think that's
31:11
Speaker 1: the case. On the topic of epic mansions, did you
31:15
Speaker 1: see a couple of weeks ago, it came out that
31:18
Speaker 1: Georgie Stevenson's Hinterland Mansion that we spoke a lot about
31:21
Speaker 1: on the podcast, it had a lift and it was
31:24
Speaker 1: like over three stories. She sold it recently for basically
31:28
Speaker 1: the same that she bought it. Like she didn't make
31:30
Speaker 1: a lot of profit off it. Because she wanted to
31:32
Speaker 1: potentially hang on to it, didn't she? She rented it
31:35
Speaker 1: out for a while. Yeah. So she finally sold it
31:37
Speaker 1: and then people were speculating, oh, you know, is she
31:40
Speaker 1: losing money as well? It turns out that it's now
31:42
Speaker 1: being sold as a home lottery. Where can I get
31:45
Speaker 1: a ticket? Because that house is epic. Maybe Tammy Hamburg
31:47
Speaker 1: could buy a ticket. Maybe Georgie can get a ticket
31:50
Speaker 1: and manifest to win it back. I mean, stranger things
31:53
Speaker 1: have happened. Surely there's some terms and conditions that don't
31:55
Speaker 1: allow that. Well, that is where we are going to
31:58
Speaker 1: leave things for today. But if you want to hear
32:00
Speaker 1: more content from us, we drop a subscriber only episode
32:03
Speaker 1: every Thursday on Outspoken Plus. Have you tuned into it yet, Kate?
32:06
Speaker 1: Why does that make me feel so nervous? Because a
32:09
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, you guys went rogue when I
32:11
Speaker 1: wasn't on the podcast and literally went ham at me. No, well, again,
32:15
Speaker 1: I would argue that we did not. No, we didn't
32:17
Speaker 1: go ham on you, but we spoke about some conspiracy theories. Oh, no.
32:22
Speaker 1: Not our own, but a UK influencer by the name
32:25
Speaker 1: of Anastasia Kingsnorth. Long-time listeners will know that she– I
32:28
Speaker 1: wouldn't say she's a favourite influencer, but I have a
32:30
Speaker 1: soft spot for her. But not after the podcast that
32:33
Speaker 1: she recently put out with her mum where they aired
32:36
Speaker 1: some rather strange views that they have of the world.
32:39
Speaker 1: Very disturbing. Look, I haven't actually tuned into Anastasia's podcast
32:42
Speaker 1: or the one where you talk about it, but I
32:44
Speaker 1: have to say– It's kind of refreshing for an influencer
32:48
Speaker 1: not to just be answering different dilemmas or interviewing a friend.
32:54
Speaker 1: Or am I going to eat my words? You're going
32:55
Speaker 1: to eat your words because I think it's actually one
32:57
Speaker 1: of the worst things that I've ever listened to in
32:59
Speaker 1: my whole entire life. Just putting it out there, they're
33:02
Speaker 1: speaking about reptilian shapeshifters and– floating downstairs and talking about
33:08
Speaker 1: COVID being caused by 5G towers. So I think you
33:13
Speaker 1: will slightly eat your words. I mean, people, obviously as
33:16
Speaker 1: podcasts do, they cut up a lot of these clips
33:17
Speaker 1: where they shared some pretty wild things that they believe in.
33:20
Speaker 1: And people were just saying, oh my God, like I
33:23
Speaker 1: feel dumber for listening to this. And can they make
33:26
Speaker 1: podcast gear more expensive? Because, oh my, please, please go
33:32
Speaker 1: and listen to it. This week, we also dropped a
33:34
Speaker 1: new episode of The Mums Group. It's got a little
33:37
Speaker 1: bit of an influencer flavor to it because we discussed
33:39
Speaker 1: Jade Tunchi's announcement that she's having a third baby. She's
33:43
Speaker 1: going to be having three under two and a half.
33:46
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm thinking of getting my husband booked in
33:49
Speaker 1: for a vasectomy after hearing that news. I mean, it's
33:51
Speaker 1: beautiful news if you want three, but my goodness me,
33:54
Speaker 1: three under three. That's tough. Three under two and a half, please. Oh,
33:58
Speaker 1: What a wonder woman, though. Like, it is beautiful news.
34:01
Speaker 1: I mean, she found out that she's having a girl,
34:02
Speaker 1: which is so exciting. But for me, that just sounds tough. Well,
34:06
Speaker 1: if you haven't listened to that episode, go make sure
34:09
Speaker 1: you're subscribed to The Mums Group on Apple or Spotify
34:12
Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. Now, this podcast was
34:15
Speaker 1: recorded on the traditional land of the Kaurna people of
34:18
Speaker 1: the Adelaide Plains. We pay respect to elders past and present.