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BREAKING: CHARLOTTE, 9, SNATCHED FROM BIKE, SUSPECT LINKED TO 3 OTHER ATTACKS? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease, nine year old Charlotte Senna
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Speaker 1: literally kidnapped off the street during a camping trip with
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Speaker 1: their parents just a few minutes away from home. Twenty
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Speaker 1: thirty minutes Max at Late Moreau State Park miraculously, miraculously
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Speaker 1: found alive crammed into a cabinet in her kidnappers camper
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Speaker 1: part behind his mother's house. When police stormed the camper,
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Speaker 1: we learn he was wearing his underwear, and that is
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Speaker 1: not nearly as gross as it gets. We are now
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Speaker 1: learning that there is a possibility that he targeted then
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Speaker 1: year old little girl after learning her late her late
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Speaker 1: grandfather had gotten a settlement for a couple million dollars
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Speaker 1: all the way.
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Speaker 2: Back in nineteen ninety eight. Was he misdirected?
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Speaker 1: Did he think somehow he could get his mits on
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Speaker 1: her grandfather's money. Why was he in his underwear with
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Speaker 1: a little girl in a camper? What more have we
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Speaker 1: learned about him from neighbors? Has he been approaching other
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Speaker 1: children in the neighborhood. We're learning also that he may
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Speaker 1: have been involved in some sort of harassment on another
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Speaker 1: little girl. This as we learned, police are investigating potential
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Speaker 1: links between him and two other cold cases involving teen girls.
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Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation in Serious Exam
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Speaker 1: one eleven.
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Speaker 2: First of all, take a listen to this.
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Speaker 3: She is the most courageous, resilient, amazing person literally I've
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Speaker 3: ever encountered in my life. Just unbelievable that she is
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Speaker 3: just I mean, if this just describes it a little bit,
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Speaker 3: you know, she's hugging her visitors, and she's doing it
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Speaker 3: to console us, not the other way around. She's just amazing.
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Speaker 3: I can't even explain, like the feeling of when the
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Speaker 3: trooper pulled up to the campsite really fast, like wheels
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Speaker 3: peeled and everything, and I had we had I had
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Speaker 3: just convinced that my sister in law to get something
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Speaker 3: to eat. We hadn't eaten, you know, in almost two days,
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Speaker 3: I don't think. And so we were over by the
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Speaker 3: food table and then we heard the trooper pull up
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Speaker 3: and he jumped down. He said, we found her. And
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Speaker 3: it was like just screaming, and I had I still
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Speaker 3: have a horse voice all these days later, I had
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Speaker 3: no voice for several days. I screamed so much, just
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Speaker 3: thanking God that you know, thanking the police, just anyone,
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Speaker 3: but just thank God that this outcome happened. And I
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Speaker 3: you know, we were all just I mean, there's probably
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Speaker 3: thirty or forty of us there. Just it was probably
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Speaker 3: really loud and just so beyond elated, and at that
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Speaker 3: moment in time, nothing else mattered, really, nothing else mattered.
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Speaker 3: It was just like I thought, I was dreaming.
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Speaker 1: You are hearing Jansonna speaking to us just a few
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Speaker 1: moments ago. This is just Charlotte's aren't about the moment
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Speaker 1: that they discouraged it was actually alive. Of course, the
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Speaker 1: reality is so so much different for the majority of
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Speaker 1: other parents whose children go missing stranger on stranger abduction.
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Speaker 1: Joining me the founder and director of the Cold Case
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Speaker 1: Research Institute. You can find her at coldcasecrimes dot org.
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Speaker 1: Host of a brand new podcast, Zone seven, Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: forensic expert Cheryl. The vast majority of kidnappings are typically
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Speaker 1: family kidnappings custodial kidnappings. When you get a stranger on
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Speaker 1: stranger kidnapping, the likelihood the child will be killed is
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Speaker 1: so much greater.
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Speaker 4: It's so much greater, and it's fast. Normally it's within
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Speaker 4: the first three hours. So when we have a situation
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Speaker 4: that is going into the third day, I mean, the
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Speaker 4: likelihood that Charlotte would have ever been found alive is astonishing,
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Speaker 4: and it's a remarkable, remarkable day.
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Speaker 1: Guys are learning so so much about this guy, this
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Speaker 1: alleged kidnapper. But first I want you to hear our
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Speaker 1: cut thirty five from GMA. What more do we know
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Speaker 1: about the alleged purp.
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Speaker 5: Carol Brown lives down the street from alleged kidnapper Craig
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Speaker 5: Ross Junior and tells us he had a suspicious encounter
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Speaker 5: with her nine year old grandson this summer.
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Speaker 2: I see my grandson and.
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Speaker 6: There's at this point standing with his back behind me,
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Speaker 6: right over him. He said, Hey, I was just asking
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Speaker 6: him if he could come help me.
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Speaker 2: I got a weed.
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Speaker 5: Whacker, and Brown says when she offered to get her
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Speaker 5: husband to help, Ross took off. She didn't know who
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Speaker 5: he was until this week when officers who were interviewing
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Speaker 5: neighbors arrived at her house and heard about her grandson.
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Speaker 5: They showed her pictures of suspects, and she says she
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Speaker 5: recognized Ross immediately.
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Speaker 4: I literally almost got sick to my stomach, fell off
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Speaker 4: my chair, almost you know.
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Speaker 2: That's cardinal rule number one.
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Speaker 1: With me joining us from Fox News Digital investigative crime
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Speaker 1: reporter Christopher Eberhardt, who's been on the story and at
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Speaker 1: the scene since the get go.
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Speaker 2: Chris, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: I know you're on the scene in your chock full
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Speaker 1: of all sorts of facts about the alleged perp.
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Speaker 2: Craig Nelson Junior.
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Speaker 1: I don't know how much you are familiar with the
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Speaker 1: dues and don'ts of telling children how to stay safe.
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Speaker 1: But cardinal rule number one is, adults don't need your help.
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Speaker 1: Adults don't need the help of a nine year old
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Speaker 1: little boy to start a weed whacker. Adults don't need
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Speaker 1: a nine year old little girl to give them directions.
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Speaker 1: They don't need help from a five year old in
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Speaker 1: the front yard to tell them where their lost puppy is.
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Speaker 1: Adults do not need your help. So number one, adults
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Speaker 1: ask you, Hey, can you just step over to my
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Speaker 1: car window and tell me which way is the I
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Speaker 1: don't know, qt quick trip. No, you turned the other way,
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Speaker 1: the other direction from which the car is going, and
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Speaker 1: you run like h eble l, preferably through front yards
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Speaker 1: and backyards and down alleys and over clothes lines where
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Speaker 1: a car cannot follow you.
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Speaker 2: So right there. Did you hear that?
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Speaker 1: Christopher Everhart, Fox News Digital up to a nine year
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Speaker 1: old little boy. Is it a coincidence Charleen's nine years
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Speaker 1: old asking the boy to help him start a weed
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Speaker 1: whacker and then when they offer to get an adult,
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Speaker 1: he vanishes.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I've heard that story, Nancy, and thanks again for
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Speaker 7: having me. Yes, I did hear that story. There was
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Speaker 7: a lot of neighbors too that were kind of I
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Speaker 7: guess they had the HEBGV. The hair on their necks
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Speaker 7: stood up with him, and they could never really take
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Speaker 7: their finger on it. Like people right next door, they
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Speaker 7: really didn't want anything to do with it. They let
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Speaker 7: with them, They let the like their shrubs grow out.
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Speaker 7: They really didn't want their children interacting any time that
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Speaker 7: he was around. They kind of took to themselves, and
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Speaker 7: they told me that they purposely would avoid him.
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Speaker 2: You know, there's reasons for that.
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Speaker 1: With me. Doctor Bethany Marshall, renowned psychoanalysts, joining us out
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Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills. You can find her at Doctorbethany Marshall
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Speaker 1: dot com. Doctor Bethany, what is that you and I
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Speaker 1: have talked about it. That feeling. A lot of people
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Speaker 1: call it a hunch. I think that is really avoiding
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Speaker 1: what that feeling really is. And I believe it's born
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Speaker 1: from thousands and thousands of years of survival instinct when
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Speaker 1: you don't know what it is, but you have a
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Speaker 1: horrible feeling and your instinct is to run. Whenever I
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Speaker 1: see a snake, I want to run.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 1: It could be a garter snake, it could be a
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Speaker 1: guard something very but that's my instinct always. I'm not
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Speaker 1: one of those people that enjoy taking photos of a
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Speaker 1: snake draped around my neck. There's a reason for that, Okay.
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Speaker 1: Just like these people in this neighborhood, they didn't know
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Speaker 1: what it was. They could put their finger on it
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Speaker 1: what they've told us, but they did not want their
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Speaker 1: children near this guy.
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Speaker 8: You know, Nancy, the idea that this is part of
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Speaker 8: the survival instinct is so brilliant because think about it,
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Speaker 8: what got hardwired into us as human beings is the
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Speaker 8: instinct that helps us to survive. Right, everything else falls
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Speaker 8: by the wayside, But what helps us to survive, or
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Speaker 8: helps us to survive evolutionarily endures in all of us.
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Speaker 8: At a cellular level, at a memory level. And this
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Speaker 8: guy had all the signs of being dangerous. He was disheveled,
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Speaker 8: he had poor social skills, he was isolated, he lived
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Speaker 8: in an odd environment, he had tarps over the window
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Speaker 8: or behind the window, and in the camp or van
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Speaker 8: that he lived in behind his mother's house. I mean,
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Speaker 8: I could go on and on and and he preferentially
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Speaker 8: targeted children. And you know, I see this often. It
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Speaker 8: can be the choir director at the church. It could
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Speaker 8: be a teacher who insists on taking the child home
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Speaker 8: to tutor them after a school I always say, nobody
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Speaker 8: should be more interested in your children than you are.
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Speaker 8: Well put, nobody, not even an aunt or an uncle
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Speaker 8: or a grandparent.
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Speaker 1: Prime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys are so much more
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Speaker 1: that we are uncovering now in the days that have
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Speaker 1: followed the incredible, incredible recovery of nine year old Charlotte.
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Speaker 1: Of course, whatever a neighbor may feel or their instinct reactions,
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Speaker 1: that's not allowed in court. Joining me right now, Doctor
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Speaker 1: Ernest Shioto, attorney, physician, biomedical engineer, toxicologist, and author of
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Speaker 1: Toxic Court, Medical and Legal Elements.
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Speaker 2: Okay, that's a.
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Speaker 1: Lot you can find him at ernestphoto dot com.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Shaoto, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: I mean it may mean something to us, It would
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Speaker 1: probably mean something to geniors if they heard, Hey, this
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Speaker 1: guy creeped out. I wouldn't let my children near him.
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Speaker 1: But that cannot come into court. There's a lot more
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Speaker 1: I'm about to tell you that can come into court
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Speaker 1: if that day ever comes.
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Speaker 2: But not that.
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Speaker 9: Why Well, the reason being is, as you know, all
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Speaker 9: relevant evidence comes in and all relevant all unrelevant evidence
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Speaker 9: stays out. So how is it relevant to his crime,
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Speaker 9: to his guilt that he was an odd lifestyle? Now
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Speaker 9: that that's not to say that you shouldn't be concerned.
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Speaker 9: People can have their intent up from in a court
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Speaker 9: of law. There's that sort of strong shild to keep
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Speaker 9: unrelevant evidence out, evidence that would confuse a jury and
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Speaker 9: lead them to make a conviction based upon based upon
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Speaker 9: just extraneous matters.
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Speaker 2: You're so right, doctor Shiodo.
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Speaker 1: And of course, on appeal, the objection irrelevant actually doesn't
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Speaker 1: get you a new trial. It may get you a
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Speaker 1: ruling in court in front of a jury. Yeah, move along, counselor.
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Speaker 1: That is irrelevant, but it's not grounds for a reversal.
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Speaker 2: On appeal.
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Speaker 1: Now, if someone came up on the stand, it was
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Speaker 1: talking about he gave me a bad gut feeling. Okay,
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Speaker 1: number one, that can be reversible because it touches on
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Speaker 1: the defendant's character reputation. Evidence is not allowed in court
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Speaker 1: unless and until it meets the threshold requirements of being,
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Speaker 1: for instance, a similar transaction or a prior bad act
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Speaker 1: that has already been agreed upon by the court.
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Speaker 2: You can't just bring in Oh yeah, Jack over there,
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Speaker 2: she's a big drunk. Ps. She's not. You can't bring
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Speaker 2: something like that into evidence.
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Speaker 4: No.
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Speaker 2: Also, it cannot be testing scientifically. You got a hunch.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's not scientific proof. Much like a polygraph, steal
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Speaker 1: can't come in unless both sides stipulate to.
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Speaker 2: It upfront in a criminal trial.
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Speaker 1: So, long story short, doctor Schado is exactly correct. But
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Speaker 1: aside from the creepy vibe he puts off in the neighborhood,
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Speaker 1: what about this and our cut sixty take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our friends at crimeonline dot com.
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Speaker 10: Craig Ross Junior, the forty seven year old alleged kidnapper
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Speaker 10: of Charlotte Senna, was actually accused of sexually abusing a
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Speaker 10: twelve year old acquaintance more than year ago, according to
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Speaker 10: the Albany Times Union. However, these allegations were not reported
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Speaker 10: until this past summer. Ross has since denied the girl's allegations,
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Speaker 10: and the state police closed the investigation last month without
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Speaker 10: filing any charges. This according to three sources close to
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Speaker 10: the matter, telling the Times Union.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Christopher Eberhart Chris Eberhart joining me, investigative reporter with
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Speaker 1: Fox News Digital on the case from the get go.
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Speaker 1: And hey, Chris, listen, we're not in the fifth grade
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Speaker 1: where you have to answer my question.
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Speaker 2: Please pipe up if you have more information.
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Speaker 1: You know, you've been out there beating the bushes on
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Speaker 1: the streets, watching, listening, talking, writing it all.
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Speaker 2: Down, taking pictures. You tell me anything you think we
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Speaker 2: need to know.
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Speaker 1: But specifically, what about this accused of sex assaulting a
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Speaker 1: twelve year old girl over a year ago?
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Speaker 2: And oh the charges were dropped.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, my colleague actually was writing about this and he
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Speaker 7: was doing that dug against this. Obviously that should have
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Speaker 7: raise some red flags right there.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm concerned about this. To Cheryl McCollum, why
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Speaker 1: is it because the little girl wanted to back out
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Speaker 1: and didn't want to testify is because she didn't tell
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Speaker 1: anybody for a year later. That's entirely possible. Rape victims
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Speaker 1: very often don't tell anybody. I mean, Cheryl McCollum, I
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Speaker 1: know grind women could be very surprised at who they
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Speaker 1: are that have never revealed a sex assault that happened
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Speaker 1: in their youth.
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Speaker 2: Can you believe that, Yes, I do. I know them
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Speaker 2: very very well.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely most sexual assault victims. So they're going to be
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Speaker 4: put on trial. What they were wearing, where they were,
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Speaker 4: why they were alone, you know, their actions or in actions.
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Speaker 4: But in this case, Nancy, we have a live victim
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Speaker 4: that can tell what this kidnapper did, what he said,
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Speaker 4: what he demanded. That's going to be really critical. And
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Speaker 4: now we have the grandmother that says her grandson was
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Speaker 4: also approached by this person on a bicycle, same person.
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Speaker 4: So now we have two one victim and one witness
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Speaker 4: that can talk about the actions of this person, and
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Speaker 4: hopefully other people will come forward with that twelve year
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Speaker 4: old in her case, what if she told a very
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Speaker 4: similar story he said this, he did that, he demanded this,
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Speaker 4: they may have to reopen that case.
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Speaker 1: Bethey Marshall joining us and then special guests joining us
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Speaker 1: Shanna Burns, Haley Burns' mom, doctor Bethany. I think it's
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Speaker 1: I think what Cheryl just said is absolutely correct. The
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Speaker 1: victim will be put on trial on cross exam. But
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Speaker 1: I think that it's even deeper than that. For instance,
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Speaker 1: this little twelve year old girl, she's not thinking about
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Speaker 1: a trial. She just probably doesn't want to talk about it.
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Speaker 1: There's something about it. You just don't want to talk
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Speaker 1: about it. It's hurtful, it's embarrassing. You feel stupid for
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Speaker 1: filling the blank, putting yourself in that position, going along
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Speaker 1: with whatever the guy said, Hey, come inside and look
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Speaker 1: at my You went inside. You blame yourself. There's a
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Speaker 1: myriad of reasons why victims never say a word.
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Speaker 8: Nancy, because it feels humiliating and shameful, as you just
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Speaker 8: so articularly put so, think about your own children, John,
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Speaker 8: David and Lucy when they were really really little. If
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Speaker 8: anybody mistreated them, were not nice to them, they blame themselves, right,
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Speaker 8: even if it was in a more benign way, like
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Speaker 8: you know, maybe a teacher was a little gruff at them.
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Speaker 8: They come home and ask, you know, what do I
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Speaker 8: do wrong? So put that you know, increase that exponentially
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Speaker 8: to a rape or a sex assault, and the child
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Speaker 8: is really going to blame themselves and then move that
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Speaker 8: into adulthood. Adult women and men who are raped abused,
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Speaker 8: they fall into that same infantile childlike, you know, mindset
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Speaker 8: that it must be their fault. And there's an evolutionary reason.
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Speaker 11: For that too.
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Speaker 8: You know, when we blame ourselves rather than the other person,
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Speaker 8: we hold onto our relationships, and holding onto our relationships
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Speaker 8: is what helped us to survive as a species. And
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Speaker 8: now it's become more complex and it's more than our
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Speaker 8: modern day society to really understanding that this allows perpetrators,
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Speaker 8: and in a poly perpetrator like this guy who has
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Speaker 8: multiple offense patterns, to really gain a foothold over our
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Speaker 8: most vulnerable members of society.
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Speaker 1: Wow, you put that beautifully with me now to react
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Speaker 1: to what we have learned so far, and there's a
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Speaker 1: lot more, including two additional cold cases that are being
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Speaker 1: eyed for connections to the same part that allegedly took
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Speaker 1: little Charlotte. Seana Burns is with me now, this is
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Speaker 1: Haley Burns's mom. We all remember the Haley Burns case,
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Speaker 1: the waiting, the praying the torture, not knowing what it
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Speaker 1: had happened. You know, I was going to say it
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Speaker 1: for you, Shauna, but you tell our viewers and listeners
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Speaker 1: what happened to Haley.
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Speaker 6: It all started on April the twenty eighth. She met
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Speaker 6: this man online in an internet forum specifically targeted to
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Speaker 6: people that have eating disorders, and by May the twenty third,
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Speaker 6: he had convinced her to leave our house and to
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Speaker 6: go live with him, that he understood her eating disorder
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Speaker 6: better than we did, that we would never understand it,
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Speaker 6: that we would never understand her, that we would never
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Speaker 6: be understanding of her eating disorder, we would always want
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Speaker 6: her to get help for it, and that he understood
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Speaker 6: her and that he could help her with it.
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Speaker 2: Well, let me understand something. Isn't it true?
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Speaker 1: Your little girl Haley ended up being held ca in
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Speaker 1: a cage for thirteen months.
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Speaker 6: Yes, that is true, so three hundred and ninety nine days. Yes,
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Speaker 6: that is absolutely true. Yes, and everything was fine. He
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Speaker 6: drove from Georgia to Charlotte four hours, she said in
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Speaker 6: the drive. Everything was fine. They listened to music and
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Speaker 6: he let her listen to whatever she wanted to. They
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Speaker 6: got fast food on the way, everything seemed fine, but
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Speaker 6: the second that he closed that door, everything changed, and
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Speaker 6: she knew that she wasn't going to be a belief.
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Speaker 6: He made it very clear that she was his prisoner
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Speaker 6: and that there was nothing that she could do, and
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Speaker 6: that no one knew that she was there, and that
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Speaker 6: she would be there as long as he wanted her
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Speaker 6: to and when he didn't want her to be there anymore,
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Speaker 6: she wouldn't be.
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Speaker 2: Was she a fright she would be killed?
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Speaker 4: Oh?
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Speaker 6: Yes, there were many many times where he choked her
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Speaker 6: beyond consciousness where she felt like this is it, I'm
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Speaker 6: going to die. That happened many many many times hearing
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Speaker 6: her captivity with him. There were many different times where
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Speaker 6: at one point he built a bathtub of water and
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Speaker 6: held her under the water for he would let her.
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Speaker 6: He would hold her under the water until she passed out.
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Speaker 6: Then he would let her come up, regain consciousness, and
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Speaker 6: then push her back under the water. And he did that,
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Speaker 6: said she lost track of time because it was so long,
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Speaker 6: but it had to be hours. So there were many
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Speaker 6: times where she thought that he was.
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Speaker 2: Going to kill her and she was starved.
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Speaker 6: Yes, that was definitely part of it. He was very
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Speaker 6: much into controlling how much she ate. She was only
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Speaker 6: allowed one hundred calories a day, and if she wanted
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Speaker 6: more than that, she had to earn those calories through favors.
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Speaker 2: And what do you mean by favors.
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Speaker 6: I mean different favors that she would do for him,
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Speaker 6: would earn different amounts of food.
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Speaker 1: She was raped, Yes, any sex with a teen girl
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Speaker 1: that age is statutory right, yes, whether she thinks she
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Speaker 1: went along with it. This young girl who was being
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Speaker 1: kept in a cage for thirteen months, given one hundred
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Speaker 1: calories a day, being waterboarded, that's rape. And I understand
22:09
Speaker 1: where you're coming from, Miss Burns, because I know adult
22:13
Speaker 1: women that still to this day have not revealed even
22:15
Speaker 1: to their husbands, that they were sex assaulted when they
22:18
Speaker 1: were younger.
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Speaker 2: They just don't want to talk about it. I get it.
22:21
Speaker 1: But the longer we keep acting like there's shame attached
22:25
Speaker 1: to what happens to women, the longer it will take
22:29
Speaker 1: us to fight it. Your daughter was horribly mistreated one
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Speaker 1: hundred calories a day, What would that be?
22:35
Speaker 2: A soda cracker?
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Speaker 6: She was allowed sugar free jello, and I believe those
22:41
Speaker 6: are fifteen calories each. So she was two of those,
22:45
Speaker 6: she was allowed to packet of cheese crackers, and sometimes
22:49
Speaker 6: she was allowed baby food. But again, if she wanted
22:54
Speaker 6: any substantial food, she had to do sexual favors to
22:58
Speaker 6: earn meat. And she's cool.
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Speaker 1: I can hardly stand to hear what you're saying. Where
23:05
Speaker 1: is this devil straight from hal Now?
23:08
Speaker 6: Well, he's in jail right now because I put him
23:10
Speaker 6: there recently for violating his parole. But he will be
23:13
Speaker 6: out again in February. I've actually put him in prison
23:17
Speaker 6: three times for violating his parole.
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Speaker 1: Oh well, I will help you for the fourth time.
23:21
Speaker 1: I can't wait to be part of that. So when
23:24
Speaker 1: you're hearing about Charlotte's kidnap and everything that Chris Eberhart
23:29
Speaker 1: from Fox New's Digital is telling us, how does that
23:33
Speaker 1: strike you, miss Burns?
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Speaker 6: Let me tell you. I was very aware of the
23:36
Speaker 6: situation because I am on TikTok and TikTok is a
23:39
Speaker 6: very good resource for missing people. It is a huge, huge,
23:44
Speaker 6: like everyone gets those videos very quickly, so I was
23:48
Speaker 6: aware of it. And when the news came that they
23:50
Speaker 6: had found her, I literally hit my fricking knees, praying
23:54
Speaker 6: and crying. I was so thankful for her family that
23:57
Speaker 6: they had found her. So there's like no words. But
24:01
Speaker 6: I also have the exact same reaction where I hit
24:04
Speaker 6: my knees crying when they don't find them as well.
24:07
Speaker 6: So I was so so thankful for her family that
24:10
Speaker 6: they found her. But I know what comes along with that.
24:14
Speaker 6: There is going to be a trial, there's going to
24:16
Speaker 6: be therapist, there's going to be specialists.
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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, you guys have just been through hell, hell
24:21
Speaker 1: and back and now hold on just a moment, As
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Speaker 1: if that guy's not bad enough, we're now learning a
24:27
Speaker 1: potential motive in the kidnapping off Charlotte. We don't know
24:33
Speaker 1: whether Charlotte was right for sex assaulted.
24:35
Speaker 2: We don't know what.
24:37
Speaker 1: Happened in that camper. We know she's alive. We are
24:41
Speaker 1: learning more about potential motive. Take a listen, our cup
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Speaker 1: fifty six our friends at crimeonline dot com.
24:48
Speaker 10: Charlotte sent his grandfather sued and one a two point
24:51
Speaker 10: two million dollar lawsuit settlement from a sledding accident, and
24:55
Speaker 10: it was common knowledge to people in the community, according
24:57
Speaker 10: to Amanda Freest. She told The Daily Mail that she
25:00
Speaker 10: briefly dated Craig Rosh Junior and According to her, he
25:03
Speaker 10: never wanted to work, always wanted to find people to
25:06
Speaker 10: mooch off of. And she went on to say that
25:09
Speaker 10: Charlotte's grandfather sued the town of Greenfield a few years
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Speaker 10: ago and won a couple million dollars. She thinks that
25:14
Speaker 10: her ex boyfriend held Charlotte for ransom, hoping to get
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Speaker 10: some money because he's struggling financially.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
25:21
Speaker 1: Wow, a mooch that never wanted to work. Okay, now
25:25
Speaker 1: take a listen, our friends at Inside Edition in Fox five.
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Speaker 12: Was little Charlotte forced to write her own ransom note.
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Speaker 12: We're learning that the ransom note left in the mailbox
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Speaker 12: of her parents' house demanded fifty thousand dollars and that
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Speaker 12: the suspect may have made the girl write it.
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Speaker 13: Craig Nelson Junior, that's the name of the suspect. He
25:43
Speaker 13: is charged with first degree kidnapping and is being held
25:46
Speaker 13: at the Saratoga County Jail while investigators look to see
25:50
Speaker 13: if he may be linked to any other cases. Authority
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Speaker 13: say he was living in a camper on his mother's property.
25:55
Speaker 13: That's where police found Charlotte Senna crammed inside a cabinet.
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Speaker 13: They were able to track Ross down with fingerprints found
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Speaker 13: on a ransom note that was left at the little
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Speaker 13: girl's home. According to The Times Union, the ransom note
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Speaker 13: allegedly asked for fifty thousand dollars, and Ross may have
26:12
Speaker 13: made the little girl write that note. Family friend Patrick
26:15
Speaker 13: Kaine says.
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Speaker 12: It's obvious that this person had some premeditated aspirations and.
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Speaker 13: That's one things investigators are looking into.
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Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, Chris Eberhart joining me, Fox News Digital investigative
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Speaker 1: Crime reporter, Chris, what can you tell me about potential motive?
26:30
Speaker 2: And is it true this guy.
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Speaker 1: Basically never worked a day in his life and wanted
26:36
Speaker 1: to loot off everybody else.
26:37
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's really it's one of the neighbors actually grew
26:41
Speaker 7: up with him and they and he's always said that
26:45
Speaker 7: he seasonly, like real early in the morning, maybe four
26:48
Speaker 7: forty five, five o'clock, but and he just assumed he
26:52
Speaker 7: was going to work. But he actually never knew what
26:54
Speaker 7: he did if he actually did work. We gave a
26:57
Speaker 7: confirmation he did not work in the opposed to service,
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Speaker 7: so nobody barely knows what he actually was doing financially.
27:06
Speaker 7: So all of these you know, with Charlotte and any
27:09
Speaker 7: other potential connections any other case. Was it special motivation,
27:14
Speaker 7: was it financial motivation? That stuff hasn't been uncovered yet.
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Speaker 1: Now I understand that according to neighbors and the ex
27:23
Speaker 1: girlfriend quote, he never wanted to work. He always wanted
27:26
Speaker 1: to find people to move chob, whether it was girlfriends
27:29
Speaker 1: or making his mother feel bad and supporting him. Okay,
27:34
Speaker 1: so there was a huge settlement over sledding.
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Speaker 2: And Nancy, oh yeah place.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm sorry, Nancy. There's thing too that I had
27:41
Speaker 7: learned even growing up as a child. He and his
27:44
Speaker 7: mother did not get along. I had not been able
27:47
Speaker 7: to talk to the mother. I don't know if she
27:48
Speaker 7: has the lawyer or anything, but this is just from
27:50
Speaker 7: what I've been told growing up, is that she never
27:53
Speaker 7: even allowed him in the house. That's why there was
27:55
Speaker 7: always a trailer when he was young. That trailer was
27:59
Speaker 7: always outside that's where he was living. And a childhood
28:03
Speaker 7: friend they had he gave me an anecdote where the
28:07
Speaker 7: suspect of this cape he cut his hand, which is
28:10
Speaker 7: when he was like eight or ten something like that.
28:12
Speaker 7: He was bleeding. They went to go to the mom's
28:14
Speaker 7: house state she wouldn't open the door and Supposedly Greg
28:18
Speaker 7: Ross banged on the door with his boulder and she
28:21
Speaker 7: wouldn't She still wouldn't come out. She finally did to
28:25
Speaker 7: go a band aid out the door and then just
28:27
Speaker 7: closed the door. So this a friend actually bore him
28:31
Speaker 7: over to his parents' house, and his parents, you know,
28:33
Speaker 7: taped him up and you know, treated the wound and
28:36
Speaker 7: stuff like that. So I don't know how that relationship
28:39
Speaker 7: was with his mother.
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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace speaking of his family. Our
29:04
Speaker 1: friends over at TMZ dug this up.
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Speaker 2: Listen, we are his kids. We honestly understand the gravity
29:12
Speaker 2: of this situation.
29:15
Speaker 4: I don't care what you can be.
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Speaker 7: Okay, if you're on a public broke, I have one
29:21
Speaker 7: hundred percent aware of the right. But he's in jail.
29:27
Speaker 10: We want nothing to.
29:27
Speaker 4: Do with then.
29:28
Speaker 5: I can give a book if the dude dropped back.
29:30
Speaker 13: To tomorrow, I always I can care Let So you're
29:34
Speaker 13: saying you want nothing to do with them, No.
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Speaker 5: No, no, he's disgusting, he's gross.
29:41
Speaker 6: Guy.
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Speaker 13: I can care less.
29:42
Speaker 2: That's that's why I like, all right, gotcha, I can
29:46
Speaker 2: give all that.
29:46
Speaker 13: To ask what happened.
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Speaker 1: So this apparently is his son speaking to TMZ. We
29:53
Speaker 1: are his children. We understand the gravity of the situation.
29:57
Speaker 1: We want nothing to do with him. I can't give
30:00
Speaker 1: an f if the dude drops dad right now. He's disgusting,
30:04
Speaker 1: he's gross. He should die.
30:06
Speaker 7: Yeah, Nancy, I was there.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I believe that says it all. Chris Everheart and Champion.
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Speaker 7: Sorry, Yeah, I was actually there. I spoke to the son.
30:14
Speaker 7: I was there during that interaction. He was He was
30:18
Speaker 7: visibly the son, He was visibally hostile. He clearly did
30:23
Speaker 7: not want anything to do it. This was right after,
30:25
Speaker 7: you know, just for context, there was a lot of
30:27
Speaker 7: police in that area. They went through, they came out
30:30
Speaker 7: with a couple of boxes. I'm assuming they had some
30:32
Speaker 7: kind of warrants to go through that house. It used
30:34
Speaker 7: to be owned by the suspect. The kids were living there.
30:38
Speaker 7: I talked to the sun myself and he said the
30:40
Speaker 7: same thing that he wanted him to die in prison.
30:43
Speaker 7: So there's clearly some hostility there. And then my colleague
30:47
Speaker 7: was also working the case with me, Mike Ruiz, went
30:50
Speaker 7: and found the ex wife, and the ex wife just
30:53
Speaker 7: told him, you know, go away. She had nothing to
30:56
Speaker 7: say about him.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, none of that's good. And I find
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Speaker 1: it really hard to believe that the children and the
31:04
Speaker 1: mom feel the same way about this guy. They all
31:09
Speaker 1: feel the same way about him for no reason. I mean,
31:13
Speaker 1: are they the ones that are wrong and he's the one,
31:15
Speaker 1: the only one that's right?
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Speaker 8: You know, Nancy, when a parent doesn't bond with the child,
31:20
Speaker 8: the child is never bonded with the parent.
31:22
Speaker 9: You know.
31:23
Speaker 8: His adults come to my practice often and say, why
31:27
Speaker 8: don't I care about my parent? I mean, I just
31:29
Speaker 8: don't really think about them at all, And often, upon exploration,
31:33
Speaker 8: I realized that the parent was never bonded with them,
31:35
Speaker 8: or even abuse them in some way. I think even
31:39
Speaker 8: this guy's this perpetrator's prolific interest in children and abusing
31:46
Speaker 8: and exploiting them in multiple ways. One of the guests wondered,
31:50
Speaker 8: what was this for financial gain, for sexual gain?
31:53
Speaker 6: It was for all of it.
31:54
Speaker 8: He liked to exploit children in every way. He could.
31:58
Speaker 8: Imagine what he did to his own children, Imagine what
32:02
Speaker 8: he did to his wife. It was probably a house
32:05
Speaker 8: of hers. You know, there's one. You know, his wife
32:08
Speaker 8: has to have a domestic charge against him, right where
32:12
Speaker 8: he choked her and threw her glasses at her and
32:16
Speaker 8: you know, pushed her, and you know so, So this
32:19
Speaker 8: guy was an abuser through and through. And by the way,
32:22
Speaker 8: I think his adult son probably has had brewing animosity
32:27
Speaker 8: and hatred towards his father ever since childhood. And all
32:31
Speaker 8: of a sudden, when the police and the public confirm
32:34
Speaker 8: what an a hole your dad is, it galvanizes your
32:37
Speaker 8: own feelings. So he was galvanized to express how he
32:40
Speaker 8: really feels.
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Speaker 1: Is this guy Craig Ross Junior connected to other cold
32:45
Speaker 1: cases involving young teen girls? Listen to Our cut fifty
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Speaker 1: seven a our friends at crime Online.
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Speaker 10: Eighteen year old Jennifer Hammond, her friends called her Moonbeam,
32:54
Speaker 10: had a job working with the company that sold magazines
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Speaker 10: door to door. Now the salesforce was staying in a
33:00
Speaker 10: local Albany, New York hotel. Jennifer was dropped off to
33:03
Speaker 10: work in the Creek and Pines mobile home park in Milton,
33:06
Speaker 10: selling magazine subscriptions door to door. Returning at the set
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Speaker 10: place and time, all of her coworkers were shocked when
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Speaker 10: Hammond didn't meet them. Jennifer Hammond never returned to the
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Speaker 10: hotel in Albany, and none of her coworkers ever saw
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Speaker 10: her again.
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Speaker 2: What happened to Jennifer? Take a listener.
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Speaker 10: Cut fifty nine, Jennifer Hammond was identified with forensic testing
33:28
Speaker 10: and dental records, and her death was classified a homicide,
33:32
Speaker 10: finding it to be more than just a coincidence that
33:34
Speaker 10: two young women around the same age from the same
33:37
Speaker 10: area had been found murdered in such close proximity. Saratoga
33:40
Speaker 10: County Sheriff Michael Zurlo said, investigators believe quote there is
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Speaker 10: a strong possibility unquote the deaths of Hammond and White
33:48
Speaker 10: are related to the same unidentified suspect, in part because
33:51
Speaker 10: of the close proximity of the locations where they were
33:54
Speaker 10: last seen and also where their remains were found. The
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Speaker 10: Hammond and White murders remain unsolved, but now. Criminal profiler
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Speaker 10: and president of Stock Incorporated, John Kelly says the best
34:04
Speaker 10: predictor of present or future behavior is past behavior. Based
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Speaker 10: on the recent kidnapping of Charlotte Cena, Kelly and others
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Speaker 10: want to know more about the past behavior of Craig
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Speaker 10: Ross Junior.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so we've heard about Jennifer Hammon, who's Christina White
34:19
Speaker 1: lessened to fifty seven b Two.
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Speaker 10: Years later, nineteen year old Christina White last seen by
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Speaker 10: her mother at the home they shared at the Stockade
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Speaker 10: Mobile Home Park. Stockade Mobile Home Park where Christina White
34:31
Speaker 10: was last seen, as less than two miles from the
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Speaker 10: Creek and Pines Mobile Home Park where Jennifer Hammon was
34:36
Speaker 10: last seen, and a thousand feet from the Creek and
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Speaker 10: Pines Mobile Home Park on Barrett Road. That's where Craig
34:42
Speaker 10: Ross Junior's mother has lived for the last three decades
34:45
Speaker 10: and more. Nine months after she was last seen by
34:48
Speaker 10: her mother, Christina White's remains were found in the Daytown
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Speaker 10: Forest in Greenfield. Christina had been stabbed multiple times, and
34:55
Speaker 10: due to the state her body was in, it is
34:57
Speaker 10: believed she was killed shortly after her disappearance. White's death
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Speaker 10: was officially classified as a homicide. Meanwhile, Jennifer Hammond remained
35:06
Speaker 10: missing until a hunter found a human skull on Lake
35:09
Speaker 10: Desolation for Us in Greenfield. The skull and three teeth
35:13
Speaker 10: were enough for a forensic team to identify Jennifer Hammond.
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Speaker 10: Her remains were found just over three miles from where
35:20
Speaker 10: Christina White's remains were found.
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Speaker 1: Three miles from where Christina whites remains were found. Okay,
35:26
Speaker 1: Cheryl mccollam, Cold case investigator, Jump in, Nancy.
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Speaker 4: You've got a tight area here. You've got less than
35:33
Speaker 4: twelve miles where all of these things have occurred, mobile
35:37
Speaker 4: home parks, RV's woods, They're all connected. They all have it,
35:42
Speaker 4: as you said earlier, like a similar transaction. Again, we
35:46
Speaker 4: now have a live victim. Did he threaten her with
35:49
Speaker 4: a knife. We're going to be able to learn that
35:51
Speaker 4: we have the young boy. The perpetrator was on a bicycle.
35:55
Speaker 4: This person has limited their area of hunting to a
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Speaker 4: very small track. It is imperative that they look at
36:04
Speaker 4: all missing persons and homicide victims that have been recovered
36:08
Speaker 4: in this area. Again, now that we have a face,
36:11
Speaker 4: other witnesses and other victims can now come forward knowing
36:16
Speaker 4: that he's in jail, now knowing that there's this case
36:19
Speaker 4: being built, There's other cases being built. But this is
36:22
Speaker 4: very critical, and I want to say one more thing
36:24
Speaker 4: about the ransom if I can. This is important to
36:27
Speaker 4: me that this child, Charlotte, was taken late Sunday night,
36:32
Speaker 4: after dinner, ain't no bank open. Then he kept her
36:36
Speaker 4: all day Sunday, no bank is open. He doesn't put
36:39
Speaker 4: the ransom in the mailbox till Monday at four twenty
36:41
Speaker 4: in the morning. The bank ain't going to be open
36:43
Speaker 4: till nine. And who can get fifty thousand dollars cash?
36:48
Speaker 4: Even if you have great wealth, usually that money's tied up.
36:52
Speaker 4: It's in Scott's or bonds or a four oh one k.
36:55
Speaker 4: Most people can't just get fifty thousand dollars out of
36:58
Speaker 4: the bank. I question whether that was his motive or
37:02
Speaker 4: that was an afterfall after he took her, because everything
37:07
Speaker 4: he did was set up beforehand. He had a tarb
37:10
Speaker 4: over the windows of the trailer, He had a vehicle,
37:13
Speaker 4: he knew where to park in that state park so
37:16
Speaker 4: that when whoever Charlotte or whatever child came around that
37:19
Speaker 4: track alone, he could snap them, put them in the car,
37:22
Speaker 4: get them back to the RV, completely unseen, and lock
37:26
Speaker 4: them in a cabinet. That is premeditated, set beforehand. And
37:30
Speaker 4: the other victims, all three, the young boy and the
37:33
Speaker 4: two girls, they were all crimes of opportunity.
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Speaker 11: I totally agree, Nancy, joining me right now.
37:39
Speaker 1: Doctor Michelle Dupre, who shot to the national forefront during
37:42
Speaker 1: the Alex and Murdog trial, forensic pathologist, medical examiner and
37:47
Speaker 1: detective author of money, mischief and murder. The murdog saga,
37:54
Speaker 1: Doctor Dupree, thank you for being with us. What if
37:58
Speaker 1: anything can we learn from those two bodies? Again, for
38:03
Speaker 1: those of you just joining us, Charlotte sent us kidnapped
38:06
Speaker 1: suspect Craigross Junior now facing scrutiny in two unsolved murders.
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Speaker 2: Was he involved? Was he not involved?
38:13
Speaker 1: We don't know, but they're right there within a few
38:16
Speaker 1: miles of where Charlotte was taken.
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Speaker 2: Go ahead, doctor dupre Well, Anthey.
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Speaker 11: A couple of things. I totally agree. I don't think
38:25
Speaker 11: this was the motive up for this was ransom. It
38:28
Speaker 11: just doesn't make sense to shell said. But also I
38:30
Speaker 11: want to say one thing. You know, we talk about
38:33
Speaker 11: what she went through, and we always have to remember
38:36
Speaker 11: that no matter what the person had to do, they're
38:39
Speaker 11: still alive and whatever they did was the absolute right
38:42
Speaker 11: thing to do. So, having said that, going back to
38:46
Speaker 11: the bodies, we can tell so much from the bodies.
38:49
Speaker 11: For example, we can tell that they were stabbed and
38:53
Speaker 11: that would be from injuries to the bone itself. We
38:55
Speaker 11: can tell other things, you know, approximately how long they
38:58
Speaker 11: were there and that kind of thing. So the body
39:00
Speaker 11: can tell us so much information if we just look
39:03
Speaker 11: forward and not what to look for.
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Speaker 1: Guys, we are talking about the case of Charlotte Senna.
39:09
Speaker 1: The kidnapping suspect, Craig Ross Junior behind bars. Now we
39:16
Speaker 1: wait as justice unfolds.
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Speaker 2: Goodbye friend,