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Modern Heathen, Ancient Skills (feat. David Klen) [RHR S6, EP46] · Random Heathen Ramblings

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  all that stuff out of the way, then welcome onto the show.
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  My guest for this week. His name is David and he's been
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  of guest actually on the show here.
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  I think a season or so ago, David, right.
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  You were here, I think maybe last season to talk about like a
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  gatekeeping and heathenry and some things that were on your
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  mind about that point. But you're up.
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  You're back here today checking in from a little bit South of
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  me, I think in Columbia, TN, right?
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  Correct. Yeah.
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  So welcome back, man. It's good to have you.
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  Good to be here. Yeah, you're looking healthy
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  looking, looking good. The beard's looking great.
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  You know that. I was got to, I was got to give
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  props for that because, you know, I'm over here just rocking
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  the little, the little goat because it won't do anything
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  more. But I got all this other head
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  hair that that that keeps me. See, that's where you got me.
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  Yeah, you. Know.
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  Yours just retreated a little bit further.
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  It migrated S quite a bit. I actually haven't seen my face
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  since 2019. So yeah, it's been a thing and I
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  have to put it up at work, keep it in beard bands so it stays
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  out of out of my job, but it's worth it to me.
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  I, I, I like having it. I get a lot of compliments on it
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  now that it's yeah, I keep it up.
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  So you know. Yeah, definitely you, yeah, I
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  mean you, you've got the right facial structure.
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  You, you got it down the design that the, the, the grooming of
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  it. So it looks good.
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  And yeah, great to have you back here.
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  I know we're going to get into some some things that you're
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  doing work wise. You have a you have a business
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  that you're kind of getting into with leather and metal.
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  I guess we'll see. So and to get into that and then
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  you obviously you are a heathen, refresh my memory and our
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  audience with the the length of time that you've been doing
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  Heathenry. I honestly think it happened
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  somewhere around 2019, 2018-2019.
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  I can't remember the exact time. I had about two inches of hair
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  on my head and very little beard.
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  Barely long enough to braid. Actually went to a friend of
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  mine at work and had him braid my beard.
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  It was about that much of A braid. 2 little braids and he
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  shaved the runes for Loki and Thor in the sides of my head.
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  Because I was going to do a cosplay at Ren Fair the next
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  year as as a Viking, I had dabbled a little, looked into a
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  little this and that. And when I went to sleep that
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  day, because I'm a night shift worker, I had in my vision, in
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  my mind, it was a vision. It wasn't a dream because I can
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  still remember every detail six years later.
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  And in that, in the essence of the end is the only thing that I
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  remember symbol wise was an upwards arrow, which I didn't
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  know what it was. And obviously most of y'all know
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  that's tear. So I felt like tears spoke to me
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  and put me on my path then. So I've been, I went vanilla or
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  buying it, whatever you want. I didn't read books.
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  I went by how I felt, by what I gleaned as proper from TV shows,
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  movies, things like that. I knew some of it wasn't
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  accurate. I knew some of it.
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  Well, I figured out some of it was and, you know, started
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  working on an altar and that's when I decided to start picking
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  up books, trying to figure out the proper way as best as I
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  could. And then I found my kindred
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  through a bar that is no longer open in Columbia called Asgard
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  Brewing Company. And we became the Kindred of
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  Asgard, which we still are, even though the bar is no longer with
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  us. And so we are, we're a growing
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  group of heathens. We are about to welcome our
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  first female member soon. So that'll be a, a good mix.
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  You know, we're good. We're family anyways.
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  They're allowed to hang with us, but they're not, haven't been
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  allowed in the spirit in the circle when we do ritual.
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  So that's going to change. But I I think it's for the
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  better. Yeah.
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  So, so about six years when you, when you first kind of came into
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  it, you, you were in an area that had a already existing
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  kindred or or group. No, or, or was that actually we,
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  I was a founding member. We call it the OG member.
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  So me and a bunch of guys that believed followed and, and, and,
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  and one of them has been heathen his whole life.
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  He's 63. He, he and I talked and we drank
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  and we realized that there was now four of us and then five of
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  us and then six of us. And we're like, OK, this is
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  cool. We can make a brotherhood.
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  And I thought, no, why don't we make a kindred, a brotherhood, a
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  clan, whatever you want to call it.
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  Let's make this happen because I think it's a great idea.
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  We can do rituals and we can. And I had this whole thing and
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  within six months we had our first ritual and we had a name
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  and we had a symbol and all this stuff.
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  So we really rolled fast on that once we got the yes, we're going
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  to do this and it's been great. Now, did you know what was that
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  about? Yeah, sorry about that.
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  I had a glitch on my screen. Did you know these guys or did
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  you know any of these people for any length of time prior to
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  going into forming this, this kindred with them?
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  No, I met them all at Asgard. That's where we all.
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  That's cool, man. You kind of, I mean, that's like
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  luck was on your side. I guess you could say, 'cause
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  you know, how many people out here have this desire to want to
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  be part of something and they're in an area where it doesn't seem
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  like there are other like minded folks, you know what I mean?
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  So that's like they're struggling to find that
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  community, find that, that home, if you will, and then and then
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  do the things that it means to make it that home, right, 'cause
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  I think some people get, get, they find something that is, you
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  know, very nice. So it sounds cool or looks cool,
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  but then they don't, they don't contribute in any way.
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  They just hang around, you know, they like to hang out.
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  It's, it's more of like a, a club sort of a thing, you know
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  what I mean? But they don't do any, they
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  don't help out with anything. They don't contribute.
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  And it becomes like, why are you even here?
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  Like what are we doing? Right.
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  So that's part of the the I think.
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  I can't remember the word you used for it, running, watching,
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  having people come in as but we, we run it like a bikers club
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  where you're a hang around. So you, if you what you find us
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  or we find you, we'll invite you to hang at a bar or hang out
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  where we hang out outside of our homes.
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  And if you hang out and get to know us, we start figuring out
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  whether you're real or whether you're just here for the party
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  or or whatever like that, or just because Vikings are cool
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  right now or whatever. And then once we realize you're
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  serious and you and you really want to be a part of us, then we
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  bring you in as a prospect, which means you get invited to
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  ritual, but not within the circle.
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  You get to see the private part of us, the the bonfire, the
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  prayers we say at ritual, the and share in the food and share
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  in the Mead and things like that.
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  And it, it brings them, it lets them decide, yes, this is what I
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  want to be a part of. And it lets us see are they
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  serious and that that's a two way St.
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  And then, you know, most of our prospects do end up working out.
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  We are pretty good judges of character.
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  We've had, I think to not work out in the last six years, which
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  isn't bad. But we we're very selective of
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  people. It's not just, you know, hey,
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  let me hang out with you guys. That's yeah, cool.
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  We can hang out and drink, but you're not going to come to the
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  ritual because and I get a lot of that personally because in
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  conversation, I make Mead. And when people learn that I
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  make Mead, they want to hang out because I'm, you know, I'm a
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  provider of awesome drink and. Right.
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  It's a lot of attention and a lot of a lot of people are like,
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  oh, that's cool. I'm like, you know, I'll give
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  you some Mead, but that doesn't mean you're you're one of us.
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  It it's, you know, it is what it is.
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  Yeah, so it sounds like, and, you know, for maybe folks
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  listening or you're even watching, I think people that
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  watch this obviously know what we're talking about.
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  But like when David's talking about, you know, doing it like
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  a, a, a motorcycle club or a biker club or whatever in the
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  prospect mentality that that echoes, you know, to worth, to
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  to, to, to be of worth, right to, to worth somebody and right,
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  show us your worth and then let let us show you ours, right.
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  So there's this reciprocity. It's an exchange where you're
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  not just like you're, you know, we have to make sure that you're
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  cool enough to be one of us. It's not like that.
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  It's, it's what are you bringing to the table?
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  Are you serious? Are you genuine?
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  What are you willing to do? How are we willing to
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  reciprocate? And 'cause that's a shared tying
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  of weird, you know, the, the, the, the, the shared exchange of
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  all that. So that's what we're talking
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  about when we when we say, you know, or when David says like
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  having a prospect, you got to make sure that they're, you
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  know, that that y'all will, will, will work together.
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  Well, you know, and that because not everybody does and that's
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  OK, but to make, you know, to make that group strong, you
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  know, you got to know that you, you, you have the right people
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  involved. So I like that approach to
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  things. And also you mentioned we before
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  we started recording here today, you you mentioned that because
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  Asgard Brewing Company has left the area, y'all didn't really
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  have like a, a hub anymore, right?
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  You may have hang hang out. We have a couple of places we
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  hang when we drink out it. It hasn't been like most of the
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  time when we group now it's at someone's house.
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  So that's been a little to me. It sucks because we used to see
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  each other almost every Friday and now that doesn't happen.
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  But there the the building that was once Asgard is being a new
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  brewery is moving in and they're having a second location.
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  Their original location is Mount Pleasant and it's Copper,
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  Twisted Copper Brewing. And so we're looking forward to
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  having a place to hang out again.
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  Yeah, man. And who knows right what more
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  that could do for your kindred, right.
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  There might, there might be others in the area that are
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  like, oh, this, you know, because that's where y'all
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  originally met was that Asgard Brewer Company.
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  And maybe, maybe you'll get to the next stage of things over
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  here at the Twisted Copper Brewing Company.
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  And you know, I got to, I got to make a trip down 'cause you're
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  not that far from where I am. You know, Columbia's like an an
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  hour away from me and I wished I'd had made it down there when
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  it was Asgard Brewing Company and I never did.
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  So keep in touch with me if you don't mind, just let me know
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  like when when the brewery is is open and for.
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  Business. 'Cause I'd like to make it, I'd
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  like to make a, a trip down there on a weekend or something,
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  you know, maybe one Saturday or or whatever and see what it's
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  all about. Meet some of you guys if that's
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  OK. Yeah, that, that sounds great.
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  You know, we, we, we've had, you know, I don't know, it's just
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  been different. It is, you know, this year's
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  been it's been a crazy year personally.
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  And and then the kindred growing and and one of our members
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  moving to North Carolina. It's just been a lot.
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  You know, I lost, I got in shape this year.
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  I I swore I every year I don't do I don't do New Year's
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  resolutions. I haven't done New Year's
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  resolutions in a decade. My New Year's resolution every
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  year, quote UN quote, is I want to be a better person.
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  That's my goal is to be a better person than the year before
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  growth one way or another. This year I made, I made a plan.
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  I'm going to do something really make myself better.
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  So I dropped 38 lbs, seven, 7 inches off my waist and I
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  launched my business, which is what we're here to talk about.
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  I launched my business this year, which was another thing I
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  I wanted to do as a positive for myself.
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  Hell yeah, dude. That's what I mean.
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  That's a that's an accomplishment.
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  I know what it's like to to carry around extra weight,
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  right? Extra baggage, anything literal
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  weight, it's hard. You know, you like, you got to
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  really be dedicated and, and and put the work in to to make it
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  happen. So congratulations on that, by
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  the way. But yeah, so your business that
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  you launched this year is deals with crafting leather and
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  chainmail. So it's it's DK.
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  Well, actually, you go ahead and you.
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  DK custom leather and chain. I also do Viking Shields, which
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  I'll show here in a minute. The round, the classic round
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  shield I looked up historically. The Shields range from 32 inches
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  across to 42 inches across. Most people don't want to carry
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  a 42 inch shield, so I run in 30 twos.
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  That's all I've made so far is 32, which is pretty good.
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  Size covers me and I'm 61. It covers me from shoulder to
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  past my hip, so that's that's a good shield.
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  I use plank wood and I use linen.
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  I glue linen onto the surfaces just like they did.
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  I use leather wrap around the edges, square nails on the
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  leather wrap. I try to do everything close to
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  what they did. Of course, I use some modern
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  conveniences because they're there and why not?
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  But, but yeah, I, I, I try to make them sturdy.
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  I've had mine for four years now and it's been beat on and banged
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  on by axes, hammers, knives, Spears, and it's still together.
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  So. Awesome.
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  We're going to be excited to see it at some point during the show
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  when you when you bring it on and and show everybody.
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  So, yeah. So custom leather and chain.
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  So that sounds like to me and for the listeners, right, that
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  sounds like it's armor and of leather and chainmail, because
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  we're not talking like chain link fences and leather, you
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  know, shoes or anything like that.
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  When you say chainmail you you. Most people think of chainmail
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  armor, which I have made in the past, but it's prohibitively
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  expensive and time consuming. I have a full time job and most
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  week, about half of the year or more, I work over 50 hours a
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  week plus a 2 hour drive an hour each way.
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  So I don't have a lot of time for that kind of consumption of
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  time. So I did the next best thing.
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  I make chainmail jewelry. So I have a little display.
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  It's got 1 hole in it because I actually sold a piece out of it,
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  but it just shows different weaves.
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  These are different weaves. I've learned that the these are
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  earrings here are all sterling silver, stuff like that.
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  So I can make these in any length.
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  It could be a wallet chain, a necklace, bracelet and clit,
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  whatever you, you know, anybody cares for.
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  And there's pictures of this on my Instagram as well that might
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  be a little better. The glare is pretty bad, but you
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  know, I just, I literally and people think I buy it in bulk on
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  a on a spool like a lot of people do.
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  So I don't know if I can do this without spilling, but there's
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  rings. Oh wow.
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  Rings, that's what I put together.
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  And so it's bags and bags of rings, 200 rings in a bag.
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  And I've got sterling silver, stainless steel and black glass,
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  titanium. So wow, that's, that's an
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  investment that I made because I, it's great, you know, and my
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  cell point, any male heathens out there like you and me?
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  I don't know about you, but I'm not particularly careful with my
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  jewelry. I, I so many things growing up
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  and including watches, which I no longer wear because I've
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  broken every watch I've ever owned.
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  So I decided when I was going to make this stuff, the stainless
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  steel and the titanium pretty much are unbreakable.
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  They're they can break, but you have to really work at it.
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  Yeah, you got to put some work in to make it happen, Yeah.
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  The tear weight on an average stainless steel ring that I use
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  is I think they said 20 something pounds and then the
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  titanium is around 30 lbs. So in order to deteriorate to
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  open it, so I have to use pliers to put it together.
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  And I use toothless pliers so I don't leave marks.
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  But when I weave, I'm weaving 3 or 4 rings together in in at a
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  time to make the link. So it's actually triple what
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  that original tear weight is for you to pull that apart.
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  The weakest links are the, the, the clasp and the the ring that
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  you clasp it to the single ring. That's where it's going to pull
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  apart, if anywhere. So I usually guarantee my, my
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  chainmail, like if you break it, I want to know how because damn,
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  that's tough and I'll fix it. I you know because I I want to
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  know how and I want to fix it and try and figure out how to
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  prevent that. Yeah.
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  So. Wow, now I'm curious, you know,
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  you've been, you know, you got into Heathenry, you know, about
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  6:00 or so years ago, you say, and you've been knowing, you
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  know, learning what that's like from just the social aspect,
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  right? Learning about the culture and,
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  and what it is to, to, to share space with people and have this
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  really like familial bond with others.
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  What was the like, what was the impetus behind going into
• 21:49
  leather work and chain metal work?
• 21:52
  Like why go in that direction versus anything else?
• 21:55
  Like what was where is that? Is that a passion of yours?
• 21:58
  Like did somebody suggest it? You know, could you give us like
• 22:00
  a a background of what pointed you in that direction?
• 22:05
  As for the leather, my older sister, who I'm still close to,
• 22:08
  one of my older sisters, she did leather work when I was young
• 22:13
  and I'd remembered that. And then I see a lot of leather.
• 22:16
  I go to Renaissance festivals like some of us do.
• 22:19
  And I saw a lot of leather work there.
• 22:21
  And I thought, well, I can do that and I can make that.
• 22:24
  And, and over time I started trying and did little bits and
• 22:28
  pieces. And as I realized, you know, I
• 22:30
  really can do this. And then I signed up for an
• 22:33
  online college course, how to make fitting things out of
• 22:39
  leather and bought patterns like the leather you see behind me,
• 22:43
  the armor that I made. And I just decided that it was a
• 22:48
  way to go to, to enjoy a hobby. I love working with my hands.
• 22:52
  I've always worked with my hands.
• 22:54
  I was raised on a farm. I did construction for 10 years.
• 22:57
  I did the military. I've been a hand.
• 22:59
  I've worked. Now I work at Nissan and, and,
• 23:02
  and it's all hands work. And I, I just enjoy working with
• 23:05
  my hands. It's creating something from
• 23:07
  nothing. And part of the reason I love
• 23:10
  working with leather and chainmail is 'cause you can
• 23:13
  start seeing progress quickly. You can really see it quick,
• 23:18
  like, OK, I'm making progress. And then when you're done, got
• 23:21
  something that looks like that. And it's like, wow, I, you know,
• 23:25
  I that from a hunk of leather, a chunk of cow, you know?
• 23:30
  Right, right, right, right, right.
• 23:33
  So when did you start working in leather?
• 23:36
  Was it, you know, right as you got into the business?
• 23:39
  Or did you happen to be in earnest in the last year and a
• 23:43
  half? But I dabbled for about 3 years
• 23:46
  now, just doing little pouches for my nephew or making a
• 23:52
  Renaissance pouch for myself, repairing stuff.
• 23:56
  And then, you know, it was, it was a dive in really for me.
• 24:01
  It was a big dive in 23 no 24 excuse me in in 24 my now ex
• 24:17
  fiance was diagnosed with cancer and I was determined to support
• 24:24
  her as best as I could. So I took a month off of work
• 24:27
  with pay without pay, got got some money together and I went
• 24:32
  up there for a month. Well, she works from home.
• 24:35
  I had nothing to do, so I jumped right into the breaking leather
• 24:40
  and started doing this leather stuff.
• 24:41
  And I dove in hard that first month and I got hooked.
• 24:44
  You know, like it's an addiction almost.
• 24:47
  I love working with it. So I love the smell of leather.
• 24:51
  If I walk into a saddle store, I'm in there just to smell the
• 24:55
  leather. Right.
• 24:56
  Yeah, what's up with this dude just sniffing seats, you know,
• 24:59
  Like what? You know, it's not weird, I
• 25:01
  promise. I just like the leather smell.
• 25:03
  Freaking amazing. I love the smell of leather.
• 25:05
  It's like walking to me. It's like walking in a Weld
• 25:07
  shop, walking in a mechanic shop, walking.
• 25:10
  I've been around forges. I love, I've done forging once.
• 25:14
  I'd love to be able to do it again.
• 25:16
  Those that I don't know what it is, that creation, you can
• 25:19
  almost smell it if it, if that makes sense.
• 25:21
  You could just really, it's something special about it and I
• 25:24
  enjoy doing it and seeing my stuff now, even though I'm the
• 25:29
  one that usually wears it right now because I'm just starting
• 25:32
  out. I do like wearing it out and
• 25:34
  getting compliments. Like where'd you buy that?
• 25:36
  I didn't. I made it and that that's a
• 25:39
  great feeling to me. So when anybody does that.
• 25:43
  Dude, that's so cool. So yeah, for the folks that are
• 25:45
  listening to this again, head on over to Patreon if you want to
• 25:48
  see anything that we're talking about today, because David's got
• 25:52
  some of his work in the background.
• 25:55
  He's got 2 upper body suits of armor.
• 26:00
  I guess you know the the pauldron they call.
• 26:03
  What do you call them? The?
• 26:04
  Pauldrons or all these are curiouses.
• 26:07
  And then I have bracers and on the blue armor I have
• 26:13
  articulating shoulder pauldrons that I made, which was the first
• 26:16
  articulating anything I ever made.
• 26:19
  And that's something that would be like a premium bonus that
• 26:24
  somebody would want to buy because it doesn't usually come
• 26:27
  with the armor. Those, especially the way they
• 26:30
  were designed, the pieces took 200 rivets for each shoulder.
• 26:37
  And then there's over 200 rivets in that suit of armor.
• 26:41
  So I, I put every rivet in and hammer every rivet in, you know,
• 26:45
  so it's, it's a process. Yeah.
• 26:49
  And I would. I was hoping maybe you could
• 26:51
  maybe talk us through the process.
• 26:53
  OK, so you've got, let's say I wanted to, let's say I wanted to
• 27:00
  order that suit of armor, right? Or make it, make it obviously
• 27:03
  something that I wanted, but you're going to make it at at,
• 27:05
  at that design. What's the process like for you
• 27:08
  from start to finish? Well, first of all, if it's,
• 27:13
  let's say you picked the the blue style.
• 27:15
  So overall style is the name of it.
• 27:18
  I bought, like I said, I bought patterns.
• 27:21
  So that pattern is called Bjorn and it has a lot of, like I
• 27:27
  said, ornamental stuff. And so I would find out how big
• 27:32
  you are, like what's your size? How tall are you?
• 27:34
  So I know because the armor it it, it has adjustment.
• 27:38
  So I don't have to make it specific to your size because it
• 27:40
  will adjust out and adjust in. But there is a set that's for
• 27:45
  regular sized people that will fit you and me.
• 27:49
  And then there's the up size for the big dudes that I that would
• 27:53
  have to be charged more because you have to put in more leather
• 27:56
  and, and more stuff to make it fit.
• 27:59
  So that's the first thing. And then the color people are
• 28:04
  used to brown leather and black and, and I have examples of
• 28:10
  some, some samples that I was just messing with.
• 28:15
  So that's normally what you see with designs is you see black or
• 28:21
  you see brown. And I, I did when I made that
• 28:25
  blue and black and gold suit that I wanted to be
• 28:29
  personalized. That's a me thing.
• 28:31
  That's I love this color. I love this color combination.
• 28:34
  It's the color of the kindred of Asgard's color.
• 28:37
  And I wanted to bring that out and that's why I put the gold
• 28:41
  Ravens and the gold feathers on there and I went out with it,
• 28:44
  you know, like it went. And so I have the ability,
• 28:48
  sorry, I put my color color palette to do all these colors.
• 28:54
  I have all the. Oh I love those Green Man,
• 28:57
  that's awesome. Yeah, so they got like, I can do
• 29:00
  green this. I got black, red.
• 29:04
  Yeah, Natural. This is light brown, right?
• 29:09
  And I'll see which one is this? That's turquoise, oxblood,
• 29:15
  purple, brown, green, orange and blue.
• 29:21
  So like, this is my, This is why I say custom, because if you buy
• 29:25
  it from a store, they're going to be brown or black.
• 29:29
  Yep. I can whatever color combination
• 29:30
  you want. If you want your outfit to look
• 29:32
  like something the Joker were and you want it purple and
• 29:35
  green, I can do that. That's the point is to be able
• 29:39
  to give people choices, more choices than what you just see
• 29:43
  on a website. Oh, this is what's for sale and
• 29:46
  this, this is the art that we are giving you.
• 29:50
  This is it. This is your art.
• 29:52
  I will if you want bear claws instead of Ravens, I'll get on
• 29:59
  the get and take bear. You know, drawings of bear
• 30:02
  claws, and I can put that on there.
• 30:05
  Whatever you need, whatever you want.
• 30:06
  I can pretty much figure it out. And we come to an agreement.
• 30:10
  I show you, hey, this is what I've got.
• 30:11
  This is cool. Yeah.
• 30:12
  OK, great. So this is the placements I walk
• 30:15
  through with you every step to make sure this is what you want.
• 30:19
  That's the customization part that most people don't do.
• 30:22
  That I really want to do. Because if you buy a suit of
• 30:26
  armor like the blue one online, they're going to sell it in
• 30:29
  brown. And it's going to have one kind
• 30:32
  of art and it's going to be $100 plus shipping.
• 30:35
  I make it for you. It's going to be a little bit
• 30:37
  less. And it's personalized.
• 30:39
  It's exactly what you want in the color, in the art,
• 30:43
  everything. So when you wear it, it's you.
• 30:45
  It's your personal like no one has that because it's your
• 30:49
  personal taste that that's what I'm trying to get across on
• 30:53
  that. That's crazy man.
• 30:57
  That I love. The, the, the customization, the
• 30:59
  various colors and, and like, yeah, 'cause you know what
• 31:03
  we're, we were talking about this before we started recording
• 31:05
  too, is that these are not just ornamental costume pieces.
• 31:13
  You're not, you're not making things that just look amazing.
• 31:17
  They are functional or could be functional, right?
• 31:22
  So and and and. Most I hope I'm hoping most
• 31:24
  people know that a kidney belt now this is a kidney belt I made
• 31:30
  from a pad. I actually bought a cheap one
• 31:32
  from Teemu and I copied it but in the design but I used.
• 31:39
  Very heavyweight leather. That's thick.
• 31:42
  And then? The.
• 31:44
  Belt. Weight is going to be thinner.
• 31:46
  And I stamped nine of these Celtic circles and then I take a
• 31:53
  space and I do nine more all the way across.
• 31:56
  Those are hand riveted with copper rivets, Cappenburg
• 32:01
  rivets, and I buy the belt, the buckles.
• 32:06
  So now you got this customized belt.
• 32:12
  That is, you can't find. Anywhere because and again, I
• 32:16
  don't have to make it in black. I did because it worked for what
• 32:19
  I need it for. So, you know, it's that kind of
• 32:23
  thing where you do that. I'm going to pull these off
• 32:28
  here. So this is something I've been
• 32:36
  messing with the feather. Here you can't.
• 32:41
  Really. See it?
• 32:41
  Well, that's actually gilded gold now.
• 32:49
  This is an. Option, obviously, because it's
• 32:53
  not cheap, but it's something that's cool that you can't
• 32:56
  always get. And then like the rivets and the
• 33:00
  people think this is one of the greatest compliments I've ever
• 33:02
  had. It's my soul lines when I do the
• 33:06
  saddle stitching. People think I've done that with
• 33:09
  a machine and I don't, I don't have that's hand stitched.
• 33:14
  No way. So like.
• 33:16
  So this is a very like when you say working with your hands,
• 33:19
  you're you're, you're it's primitive in a way like a
• 33:21
  primitive style of, of crafting, right?
• 33:25
  It's all hand stitched. These these little accents on
• 33:32
  this articulating shoulder Poland.
• 33:34
  Sorry, use camera. Each one has cut outs.
• 33:40
  Each cut out is riveted to the piece.
• 33:45
  Those were all cut out. Trimmed, dyed by hand, the
• 33:50
  inside where it attaches to the armor so.
• 33:55
  You know each one of these. Pollens, like I said has almost
• 33:57
  200 rivets in it. So when you when you do
• 34:00
  customization, some of it is going to be more just that's
• 34:05
  just what it is. But I also was like, I was told
• 34:08
  you before, like straps. Most people when they buy
• 34:12
  leather, they don't know what's used to make the actual piece.
• 34:18
  And straps are thin. And a lot of thin leather comes
• 34:22
  from the belly of a cow. Well, belly leather, even when
• 34:26
  it's like done, when it's ready to be used, will still stretch.
• 34:33
  After you've dyed it and put it together.
• 34:35
  So you get the stretching effect, and that's not good.
• 34:38
  So you have to use thin shoulder leather from the shoulders of
• 34:43
  the cow. And that's something I learned
• 34:45
  the hard way, like most people do.
• 34:47
  A lot of the leather I work with, well, a buddy of mine did
• 34:52
  SCA leather. That's SCA leather, very, very
• 34:56
  thick. That's kind of standard.
• 34:58
  So you can see there's a difference and the SCA.
• 35:03
  Leather is going to be. More because it's more for the
• 35:05
  leather. Just, you know, it's simple.
• 35:09
  Well, yeah, 'cause they're actually.
• 35:10
  Taking a beating, yeah. I mean, they they, they're out
• 35:13
  there to, you know, re enact and and, you know.
• 35:18
  Have it serve its purpose. Like what?
• 35:20
  It's intended for, correct? And you've.
• 35:23
  You've worn your own. Work I'm sure, right?
• 35:26
  You've gone to like the Ren Fest and and whatever and you've worn
• 35:30
  your your own set of armor. What what would you say again,
• 35:34
  being objective, not being, you know, biased because you made it
• 35:38
  on a scale of like 1 to 10 comfortability, how would you
• 35:41
  rate your your armor as comfortable?
• 35:44
  Yes. Oh, that's tough.
• 35:49
  Cause I've never worn any other armor than what I've made
• 35:52
  myself. So.
• 35:54
  Well, yeah, what I mean is like how?
• 35:55
  Would you rate your armor like, you know, a it's it's you get
• 35:58
  used to it after some time or? Yeah.
• 36:02
  Case in point, the red armor, and I wore that over a long
• 36:07
  tunic and that was it. And it, it's fine.
• 36:12
  It, it, it, you're going to sweat wherever the leather
• 36:16
  blocks your skin because that's normal.
• 36:20
  And, and I, you know, I got complements with the red leather
• 36:23
  because no one ever seen a completely red leather set
• 36:25
  before. So that was cool.
• 36:29
  The blue set is actually designed to wear a chainmail
• 36:32
  shirt underneath it. That's the original.
• 36:35
  On the original picture on the website I got it from, they
• 36:38
  showed a chainmail shirt. So that's a 15 LB chainmail
• 36:41
  shirt minimum. So that's, that gets to be where
• 36:45
  things change. But you don't have to wear a
• 36:48
  chainmail shirt. So.
• 36:49
  Yeah. Weight wise.
• 36:54
  Would we know if you're if? You're just wearing, you know,
• 36:58
  the the I forget not Curry Curry.
• 37:01
  What's the what is the, the body part cursor Curious.
• 37:05
  Yeah. So All in all, like total
• 37:07
  weight, the leather it it, it can't be that much the leather
• 37:11
  weight. I would say is, I don't know,
• 37:14
  maybe 10 lbs. Yeah, I, I was.
• 37:17
  Distributed. Over.
• 37:19
  So you don't really feel it too much.
• 37:22
  One of the other have you? Sorry, I had.
• 37:26
  To get something else, it's leather work, but it's custom.
• 37:32
  I made that grip for my Dane Warhammer and so wrapped that
• 37:40
  really good. So, you know, I can do.
• 37:44
  There's lots of applications that people sometimes don't
• 37:48
  think about, you know? Yeah, yeah.
• 37:52
  That's very unique, what has been.
• 37:54
  I know you just kind of, you know, you've been doing, you
• 37:56
  know, the, the work, the leather work for a few years I guess
• 38:01
  now, but or last couple years, what has been the most
• 38:05
  challenging part of learning this, this, this craft for you?
• 38:14
  Noise because when I worked on it in the basement of my ex
• 38:19
  fiance's house, I had to go to the basement because I didn't
• 38:22
  want to hit, you know, pounding on the rivets and the smell of
• 38:28
  the dye or or whatever. I mean, it's, it's, it can get,
• 38:32
  you know, so you need a space that you can do this in.
• 38:37
  I live in an apartment right now and I, you know, so I have to be
• 38:41
  careful when I do my work. But that's been the biggest
• 38:44
  challenge to me is, is that, and people really understanding the
• 38:50
  amount of work, like I don't have any finished coasters
• 38:55
  because I, I was making coaster sets as promotional giveaways.
• 39:00
  But like just the square coaster I have, you know, you wet it and
• 39:05
  you put the design on it, then a carve on the design to make it
• 39:08
  imprinted. Then I take a a hammer and a
• 39:12
  tool and tool it so that it it makes it better and you know, so
• 39:19
  that's how come you get this is. Because I did all that.
• 39:24
  And then diet and you know, so and then I got a waterproof from
• 39:28
  the the coasters are quadruple waterproofed so that they don't
• 39:33
  go bad. Yeah, I don't know if this.
• 39:36
  Is leather I mean, it feels like leather, but I'm not, you know,
• 39:40
  I'm not a an expert. Smells, smells kind of like
• 39:42
  that, but it's this is a leather coaster too, you know?
• 39:44
  Yeah, yeah, that looks like it came in a.
• 39:47
  It came in a. Set, it has different designs on
• 39:49
  it. I've got one with like a
• 39:50
  millionaire. I think 1's got maybe some
• 39:53
  Ravens on it, but it came like a set of four.
• 39:54
  It was a gift, I think my wife years ago one year.
• 39:58
  But I love leather coasters because yeah, that's just and I,
• 40:02
  I try to be. Fair.
• 40:04
  I, I, I think I'm fair with the set of four coasters for about
• 40:09
  20 bucks. Oh yeah.
• 40:12
  Dude, you know, yeah, that's. I always try to be fair with.
• 40:14
  People, I'm not here to RIP anybody off.
• 40:18
  That's another big thing is I wanted to point out with the
• 40:22
  costs. So an average bracelet for a guy
• 40:28
  like me who has an 8 and 1/4 inch wrist which is a little
• 40:33
  bigger than normal, takes about 110 of these rings here to make
• 40:42
  a bracelet in this style. And so that's 20.
• 40:48
  Dollars worth of rings. So I charge you that $20 plus I
• 40:54
  charge you my time, which is about 5 to 6 hours.
• 40:58
  And the clasp is included in the whole price and it's about 130
• 41:03
  bucks for the whole piece. So, you know, I, I, I'm not
• 41:07
  trying to RIP anybody up. I'm just trying to get paid and
• 41:10
  pay for my material. That's really all I do.
• 41:12
  And I know a lot, a lot of business people that I've
• 41:16
  followed and looked at in chainmail groups, which believe
• 41:19
  it or not, there are say, oh, we take our, our, our material and
• 41:25
  charge 2 1/2 times. And then you got to charge this
• 41:28
  much for labor and then you got to do that.
• 41:30
  Like, dude, I'm not doing, I'm not here to kill people.
• 41:33
  I'm not. I I enjoy what I do.
• 41:36
  I want you to afford it and enjoy it as much as I can.
• 41:40
  I can't give it away, but you know, yeah.
• 41:45
  No, for sure, you know, 'cause I mean, listen, I know I'm, I'm
• 41:47
  very good friends with artisans and craftspeople who their
• 41:51
  livelihood, right? How they feed their families,
• 41:54
  how they keep their lights on, how they warm and cool their
• 41:58
  homes in the seasons is dependent upon the cell.
• 42:02
  You know, the, the, the sales of their crafts we saw at the
• 42:06
  beginning every episode, right? Fialvatier workshop.
• 42:08
  They are Appalachian, an Appalachian family.
• 42:12
  They're, they're kin to me. You know what I mean?
• 42:14
  Like I could, I could literally pull up to their door at any
• 42:16
  time and them to me and they would have shelter.
• 42:19
  I would have shelter there. You know, we've we've shared in
• 42:21
  meals, ceremonies, rituals, very meaningful, you know, dark
• 42:27
  moments in our lives, happy moments, like they're they're
• 42:29
  family to me. But again, like that is their
• 42:32
  livelihood are the sale of their crafts, you know, drums and and
• 42:36
  ritual attire, ritual, sorry, ritual items, you know, rattles,
• 42:39
  drums, jewelry, things like stuff like that.
• 42:43
  So I appreciate what you're saying when it comes to, you
• 42:46
  know, being fair with your prices, but also not under
• 42:51
  bidding yourself and underselling yourself.
• 42:54
  You know what I mean? You gotta, if, if you're
• 42:57
  approaching this as a business and you're, and you're taking,
• 43:00
  you know, wanting to take this to the next level, you know,
• 43:03
  know your worth. And, and that's a hard thing
• 43:05
  because I've done, you know, I've, I, I do this stuff, right?
• 43:08
  I do this podcast and I've got, you know, I tell people, if you
• 43:11
  want to watch it, you got to, you know, pledge the dollar.
• 43:14
  And I think some people in the past would be, would be like
• 43:18
  fine with that. But then I know other people
• 43:20
  have been like, what are you doing?
• 43:20
  You know, charging people for this?
• 43:22
  I'm like, I it's their of their own volition.
• 43:24
  They, if they want to pledge that dollar, if they want to be
• 43:28
  a part of this, that's on them. I'm not making anybody do
• 43:31
  anything, you know, and so honestly.
• 43:35
  I'm just going to be honest with you.
• 43:36
  I something, I don't know if it's a quirk in me.
• 43:40
  I have a very difficult time listening to podcasts.
• 43:44
  I don't know why I can't ever seem to make it through a whole
• 43:47
  podcast on anybody's podcast except for yours.
• 43:50
  Yours has been The only exception and it's one of the
• 43:53
  reasons I originally hit you up to come on the first time
• 43:56
  because it's like you have, I guess it's the, the subject
• 44:01
  matter and the way you present things.
• 44:04
  And it just seems it seemed attractive to me and you were I,
• 44:08
  I pledge to Patreon before you. You cut off the other ones
• 44:11
  because I think you deserve it. I think you do a great job and,
• 44:15
  and it keeps me informed and interested and I point as many
• 44:20
  people as I can in the heathen community.
• 44:22
  Hey, check this guy out because I I think you do a good job.
• 44:27
  I appreciate that man. Thank you.
• 44:29
  I'm glad to hear that. And, you know, kind of like what
• 44:33
  you're saying before, you know, like with your work, you know,
• 44:35
  you, you love what you're doing. You know, it's a passion.
• 44:38
  You don't you're not trying to kill people out here like you,
• 44:40
  like you said. And similarly, even though the
• 44:43
  craft is different, this is still artistic representation.
• 44:47
  I mean, this is a form of art, you know, podcasting and, and
• 44:50
  talking to people and, and for people or, or sharing things.
• 44:54
  It's, it is, it is an artistic expression.
• 44:56
  And I'm, I love this. And I was getting to a point
• 45:00
  where I was not loving doing it anymore 'cause I was like, I've
• 45:03
  got all this noise, you know, these algorithms and this
• 45:06
  nonsense that's distracting me from being able to pour myself
• 45:11
  into this work and then be genuine about it and enjoy it.
• 45:14
  Because if I'm not enjoying it anymore and if it's more of a
• 45:17
  chore and I and I and I feel like it's taking more out of me
• 45:20
  than what I'm able to give, I'm, I'm, I'm not going to.
• 45:23
  Deliver a good. Product, you know what I mean?
• 45:27
  So shifting in that way and, and, you know, finding where my
• 45:31
  place is and then how to, how to present it was as much a focused
• 45:37
  effort or attention on my own self-care and my own well-being.
• 45:43
  And knowing that what I'm worth and, and not being, you know,
• 45:49
  pride is, is a weird thing to say or, but to be proud of what
• 45:52
  I am and to know my worth, you know what I mean?
• 45:54
  I know what I'm worth and I'm not going to sell myself short
• 45:57
  of these things. And then, and it's been
• 46:00
  beneficial because my mental health is better.
• 46:03
  My physical health is, is, is improved as a result.
• 46:05
  I'm not, you know, stressing out so much about algorithms and
• 46:10
  whatever. So I guess my whole point of
• 46:11
  bringing that part up is, you know, I understand.
• 46:14
  I can relate with you on the whole, like pricing yourself or
• 46:20
  you know, like I'm not doing that.
• 46:21
  I'm not doing what you all are doing because that's not me.
• 46:25
  You know, I'm not a content. I'm not a heathen content
• 46:28
  creator anymore. I'm a heathen who just so
• 46:29
  happens to have content that he creates and shares.
• 46:33
  But I'm not, I would not call myself the content creator
• 46:35
  anymore because I, you know, that's, that's a whole niche,
• 46:38
  that's a whole group that, of people that do things and I'm
• 46:41
  like, they suffer as a result of it.
• 46:43
  And I'm like, you started doing this.
• 46:46
  You started putting yourself out here on a platform to share
• 46:50
  your. Passion.
• 46:51
  And now look at it. Now you're miserable because of.
• 46:55
  Of again of all this. Nonsense.
• 46:56
  That's out here that becomes a part the rules.
• 47:00
  You know, they are what they are and, and sometimes, whoops,
• 47:03
  excuse me, sometimes they do they do they get in the way and
• 47:09
  put this back up. Yeah.
• 47:14
  Yeah, it's a it's. A touchy thing, you know, I
• 47:16
  mean. I I give people props that that
• 47:19
  can still be, you know, passionate and enjoy what
• 47:23
  they're doing while still maintaining the space of social
• 47:27
  media nonsense. I get the way it is and and how
• 47:30
  it is but yeah, I was. Getting to a point where I just.
• 47:34
  Like I, I, I'm going to sacrifice quality if I, if I
• 47:38
  keep on this path. So so now I'm going to show you
• 47:42
  the. The battle hardened shield.
• 47:45
  I got to move my seat. Oh yeah, yeah.
• 47:48
  Nice dude so. Like I said, there's two layers
• 47:54
  of cloth glued onto the front before I paint it.
• 47:59
  Steel sealed boss. The Asgard symbol modified for
• 48:03
  the Kindred of Asgard. This is a find room.
• 48:07
  Buddy of ours came up for us. Kinder K was Opala and Angus and
• 48:17
  then on the back. Steel bar.
• 48:22
  Plates, the handle and the shoulder strap.
• 48:26
  So even at 25 plus pounds, I was.
• 48:31
  About to ask how much weighs. I can walk around fair.
• 48:35
  Get something to drink and eat and to have it shouldered and
• 48:39
  then when I want to pose, which I get a lot of pictures, I can
• 48:43
  just bring it right back off. And that's the 32 inch one,
• 48:48
  right? Yeah.
• 48:50
  Yeah, I mean, it looks that. I, I can't imagine my, I mean
• 48:53
  unless you're, you know, 600 lbs and like 8 feet tall.
• 48:56
  Like why would you need a 42 inch?
• 48:59
  So what they found? So I just I I looked at that
• 49:02
  before I made them and I said 42 a good void.
• 49:07
  No, can you? I mean if if a 30. 2 is, you say
• 49:10
  about 25 lbs, but it's twentyish.
• 49:13
  It's around. £20 because of the steel yeah yeah, yeah, yeah so
• 49:16
  then I'm. Thinking, you know, then I'm
• 49:17
  thinking, you know, add another almost foot in diameter to that.
• 49:21
  How much more weight do you think that that would add?
• 49:23
  You're probably looking at close to 30 lbs.
• 49:25
  Oh yeah, 25 S, 30 lbs. And then, you know, thinking
• 49:29
  about what a shield was used for.
• 49:32
  I mean, it's it, it defense, but you can like the the the the
• 49:37
  boss on the front there use it the offensively as much
• 49:43
  defensively, using it as a as a battering tool and and needing
• 49:48
  to have that flexibility and that mobility to to carry it, to
• 49:53
  wield it. Man.
• 49:58
  That's impressive, dude. And what is so You said you you
• 50:00
  meant you made you make those out of plank wood.
• 50:03
  Yes, What I do is I. Get pressure teeted pickets like
• 50:07
  fence pickets and I get and I stack them edge to edge for the
• 50:12
  32 inches and I usually get the four foot because it's less
• 50:17
  waste. And so I edge glue all those
• 50:20
  together, press them together until it's dry and make my
• 50:25
  circles, cut the circles out, glue the material on until it,
• 50:30
  you know, it once said it one thing at a time.
• 50:32
  The most, the most the the I don't charge for the drying
• 50:37
  time. Otherwise they'd be ridiculously
• 50:41
  expensive. But you know, that's the biggest
• 50:43
  thing with those is the drying time for the glue and the paint
• 50:47
  and you know all that, that takes more time than actually
• 50:50
  putting the shield together so well you mentioned.
• 50:55
  Sorry, you mentioned that the the covering over the wood is
• 50:59
  linen. Yeah, so they used.
• 51:01
  Cloth. They would glue it with pine
• 51:03
  glue and pine tar glue, and they would put it on a flat surface
• 51:08
  of Flat Rock and they would stack rocks on top of it to put
• 51:12
  the pressure on it until it dried.
• 51:15
  And then they would take it apart.
• 51:16
  And they would use dye from plants or whatever to dye their
• 51:21
  colors onto that. And whatever designs they they
• 51:25
  made, you know, obviously they didn't have paint.
• 51:27
  So, you know, that's what they used.
• 51:31
  And that's why a lot of Shields, you'll see Reds and Blues,
• 51:34
  because those were widely available colors that they could
• 51:37
  get from plants or or whatever, Aries and stuff like that.
• 51:42
  Yeah, Aries plants. And in in I don't know if they
• 51:46
  used Lapis Lazul like the English did for for painting or
• 51:53
  marking things in bibles like the the English did.
• 51:57
  I don't know if the Norse used it or where it had that
• 52:00
  technology at the time, but. Now have you ever you?
• 52:06
  Know, since you're working in both leather and chain work,
• 52:10
  have have you ever explored the idea of?
• 52:16
  Having a shield, a leather. Wrap shield or or or putting the
• 52:19
  leather skin like animal skin. So what?
• 52:22
  That's that's. Called a torg and or a targ
• 52:26
  however you want to say it and I haven't done that yet.
• 52:29
  I probably could but again cost. Now for myself I have a shield
• 52:36
  and I made seven of those from me and my brothers.
• 52:39
  The Brotherhood, they everybody gets one if they want one, and
• 52:42
  the original 6 got one for free. Everybody else has to kind of at
• 52:47
  least pay for the parts and I do the labor for free.
• 52:50
  But in the group. That's cool though, yeah.
• 52:55
  A blank shield with. Just the cloth, the leather wrap
• 53:00
  would be about 300 bucks and that's what I try to get.
• 53:08
  With the paint and everything. Is $300.
• 53:10
  I try to get at that price with everything.
• 53:13
  Sometimes it's a little more depending on what they want.
• 53:15
  And I get the the graphics done at a local graphics place and he
• 53:22
  he adheres those graphics on for me.
• 53:25
  So I I can't hand paint that good.
• 53:28
  I'm not that. I'm not that good.
• 53:30
  Oh yeah, yeah, that's cool. That you're supporting local
• 53:33
  businesses too though, and, and, and collaborating in that way,
• 53:37
  right? Hell yeah, dude, I.
• 53:40
  Was gonna ask, you know, when we're talking about these types
• 53:44
  of crafts we're talking about I'm, I'm, I'm leaning more
• 53:47
  towards the leather work specifically because I have you
• 53:51
  know, as you can see in the background, there's, there's
• 53:54
  animal remains, you know, skins on the drum and feathers and you
• 54:02
  know this and that and for me. As a heathen.
• 54:06
  You know, you're heathen, I'm heathen.
• 54:07
  So we can, we can kind of relate on this.
• 54:09
  You know, for me as a heathen, working with these pieces that
• 54:14
  have these animal skins on them, there's a relationship that I,
• 54:19
  that I, that I, that I feel comes with working with the
• 54:23
  spirit of the animal, right? So for instance, my, my drum is
• 54:27
  bison. You know, when I have a rattle
• 54:29
  that's bare skin wrapped or, you know, has a bare skin holding
• 54:32
  everything together and you know, all these things.
• 54:35
  So I was gonna ask, you know, like does.
• 54:38
  Working. With leather, the, the, the hide
• 54:41
  of cattle, does it, does it resonate with you in, in any
• 54:47
  sort of animistic way when you're working with the leather
• 54:50
  to create armor and in the spirit of the bovine or the
• 54:53
  spirit of the cattle or the, you know this or that?
• 54:55
  Is there anything that that goes through your mind or in your
• 54:57
  heart working with these materials like that?
• 55:05
  With some. Of it to a.
• 55:06
  Point, I was raised on a dairy farm, so cows provided milk and
• 55:11
  meat. So there wasn't that
• 55:14
  relationship which you're talking about.
• 55:17
  I didn't. I don't have that connection
• 55:19
  with that. However, with the Shields, the
• 55:22
  outer leather is bison and that has special because bison what
• 55:28
  they were and what they represent.
• 55:30
  I did feel that's why I ordered bison leather for that wrap
• 55:34
  because it was something special.
• 55:37
  The black and white hood you see behind me, that's actually 4
• 55:41
  rabbit furs I sewed together and made a hood out of.
• 55:46
  And you know, rabbit was something that they would hunt
• 55:49
  in lean times and so yeah, that had a little bit of meaning to
• 55:53
  it as well. I have a white tailed ear
• 55:56
  shoulder cover hide that I wear when I go out.
• 56:00
  Like we did our Christmas parade.
• 56:03
  We were in a in a Viking ship float with Christmas lights.
• 56:06
  Yeah, that was us and I last time you were here.
• 56:10
  I'm glad to hear you guys. Are still doing that Uh huh
• 56:13
  yeah, we definitely we. Didn't do Mule Day this year.
• 56:15
  We did Christmas parade. But we're going to, we have a
• 56:18
  big plan. So I'm going to let just people
• 56:20
  here in on the secret. We're tearing down the Viking
• 56:25
  ship float to getting. We're moving the ship off.
• 56:28
  We're going to keep it for future and we are going to make
• 56:31
  a mobile Mead hall with a throne chair or some sort of chair,
• 56:38
  throne chair. That's going to be that's going
• 56:41
  to be our float for Mule Day. See that?
• 56:44
  Plan right now. So see.
• 56:47
  Hell yeah, it'll be pretty awesome.
• 56:49
  That's going to be like when is. When is that?
• 56:50
  When does that usually have? Is it the first?
• 56:53
  Saturday in April, OK. OK, cool.
• 56:58
  Down in Columbia, yeah, Yeah. The only thing we have to
• 57:00
  figure. Out is how to pour liquid while
• 57:05
  we're moving and we kind of have stuff that's not alcoholic in
• 57:10
  vision, but I don't know how that's going to work, but we'll
• 57:13
  figure it out. Hell yeah dude.
• 57:17
  Very cool. So how do people get a like, you
• 57:21
  know, they want to get some armor made you I think we talked
• 57:25
  earlier you you said you have a website, but you can't order
• 57:28
  anything from it. What's the best way?
• 57:31
  Because I want people to see what they.
• 57:32
  Do and there's a number of there's it's DK custom leather
• 57:37
  and chain on Instagram. I have my phone number on there
• 57:40
  as well. You can message me either way
• 57:43
  and just say, hey, I'm interested in your armor and
• 57:45
  we'll go from there. My my biggest thing is that
• 57:48
  personal connection. The reason I don't have
• 57:51
  pre-order armor or pre-order jewelry, even though the
• 57:55
  earrings wouldn't matter in in the customization part because
• 57:59
  earrings are earrings. But I'll give you an example.
• 58:02
  I, I don't know how tall are you?
• 58:04
  I I've never asked. How tall are you, Jesse?
• 58:11
  5758 something like. That and how much do you weigh?
• 58:15
  Too much. Like I'm like 19190 say 190 as
• 58:20
  an. Example.
• 58:23
  I made this for me. It's not going to fit you.
• 58:26
  I have wrist is I have very large bones.
• 58:29
  It's a very large wrist and it's not going to fit a normal person
• 58:32
  another man and you're you're a grown ass man.
• 58:35
  It's not going to fit you. So that's where getting in
• 58:39
  content where if you bought this on a website, it's going to be 1
• 58:42
  length. Regardless of how big your wrist
• 58:44
  is, regardless of how big your bones are, it's one length.
• 58:47
  You get a hold of me and I say, hey, if you don't have a way to
• 58:50
  measure, you don't have a measuring tape, a soft tape to
• 58:52
  measure your wrist. I'm going to teach you how to
• 58:53
  measure your wrist with a string, whatever it takes to get
• 58:56
  that measurement, and then I make it for you.
• 58:58
  It's going to fit just like this does where it doesn't roll too
• 59:02
  far and that's that's why I don't have pre-order stuff and
• 59:07
  the same with leather because if I put the leather already made,
• 59:09
  what's custom? You know, that's my point is.
• 59:13
  Being custom, that's why there's no pre-order stuff.
• 59:16
  And then people are like, well it'd be so much easier if I
• 59:18
  could just order. Well, I don't.
• 59:20
  That's not the point of this. It's not the point.
• 59:23
  Yeah, anybody can do that, right?
• 59:26
  Yeah, you can. You can.
• 59:27
  Go and like you can follow you on Instagram or they can go to
• 59:30
  your website, which by the way, when you're listening to this
• 59:33
  show or watching this, the links for all of that will be
• 59:36
  annotated somewhere. So for the listeners, go to the
• 59:38
  show notes for you folks watching on Patreon, go to the
• 59:40
  description box of the video and the links for David's Instagram
• 59:44
  and his website will be there. But it's more of a point of
• 59:47
  reference, right? This is the kind of thing I do
• 59:50
  now. Let me work with you to create
• 59:52
  something unique and custom that's for you or for red,
• 59:56
  whatever, right? Because a buddy of mine.
• 59:59
  Has red and black armor and he, I made that for him and he
• 1:00:03
  wanted a matching renaissance bag, so I made a red and a
• 1:00:07
  matching red and black renaissance bag for him.
• 1:00:10
  And, and that's the kind of thing I'm talking about is you
• 1:00:13
  just don't see this stuff. You go to most websites, it's
• 1:00:16
  not there and you know, I I just think it that.
• 1:00:21
  People would appreciate. That that are willing to to do
• 1:00:26
  the things like if you're going to Renaissance Festival, yeah,
• 1:00:29
  you can buy AT shirt, a shirt or whatever.
• 1:00:32
  That stuff's not so customizable as the outer, the covering, the
• 1:00:38
  armor or whatever you haven't done.
• 1:00:42
  Yeah. Now we've talked already.
• 1:00:45
  About you making the armor, the you know, the, the upper body
• 1:00:48
  armor, right shoulders, chest, body belt, bracers and things.
• 1:00:53
  Have you, have you done any work or, or do you do or will you do
• 1:00:56
  anything for the lower body like the, the, the, the leg pieces?
• 1:01:01
  So I've not been asked. To do so sometimes on a like the
• 1:01:05
  red armor had an option for what that's called TACITS, and it
• 1:01:10
  looks kind of like a bit of a skirt that hangs down off of it,
• 1:01:14
  but Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it has.
• 1:01:16
  Designs on. It I didn't do those because I
• 1:01:19
  didn't want to deal with them personally while I was on rent
• 1:01:23
  at Renfair. But yeah, I can make those.
• 1:01:27
  I haven't. And and the full arm piece is
• 1:01:31
  called a VAM brace. I haven't made those because
• 1:01:35
  nobody's asked for them, but I'm sure I could.
• 1:01:37
  I can get patterns for that as well, and the leg coverings as
• 1:01:41
  well. I can do that, you know, but
• 1:01:45
  like I explained and I showed you the kosher, I'm going to get
• 1:01:49
  behind me real quick. This is.
• 1:01:55
  Part of that double shoulder that I made the straps out of.
• 1:01:59
  This is just a piece, yeah. Now and people are like.
• 1:02:03
  You know, it's it's good leather.
• 1:02:06
  Now most people are going to go and say leather's leather, but I
• 1:02:12
  promise you it's not. This is the premium leather and
• 1:02:14
  when you get non premium leather, you get marks on it
• 1:02:17
  from barbed wire or holes from who knows what.
• 1:02:22
  And that makes it harder to work with.
• 1:02:25
  It's a lower quality and I don't I don't want that.
• 1:02:29
  So I always go and get the high quality leather in person from
• 1:02:33
  Tandy Leather for I'm going to throw their name out there
• 1:02:35
  because that's who I work with. So what are they called?
• 1:02:38
  Who are they? Tandy Leather.
• 1:02:40
  And Nash, OK. If you could make sure I get
• 1:02:47
  that link or something so I can include that with because I'm
• 1:02:51
  sure they do work and, and businesses, you know, beyond
• 1:02:54
  just what you do. I would like to make sure that
• 1:02:56
  that they are represented in the show notes and stuff too.
• 1:03:00
  So Tandy leather, I'll, I'll include them as well.
• 1:03:03
  You never know who might hear this or watch this right there.
• 1:03:06
  There might be other folks in the area, I probably have.
• 1:03:10
  Given them upwards of two grand in the last three years.
• 1:03:14
  So they like you. They're.
• 1:03:17
  Like David, welcome back. Yeah.
• 1:03:20
  Where can we get you? Yeah, hello.
• 1:03:24
  I go in there. I.
• 1:03:26
  I When I go in there, I honestly bring a lot of cash 'cause I
• 1:03:29
  know I'm spending money. I love it.
• 1:03:32
  Again, it's that leather shop. It's, that's everything just
• 1:03:35
  gets to you. And you're like, oh, I like this
• 1:03:37
  and I like that and I like that. And then you're like, Oh my God.
• 1:03:40
  You know, you just for those who are, who are gun collectors,
• 1:03:44
  it's like running into a gun show.
• 1:03:46
  You know, you just walk into a gun show, you know you're going
• 1:03:48
  to spend money. You just, it is what it is.
• 1:03:50
  So yeah, just you already, just you go.
• 1:03:52
  In there and prepare for that. Well, one of the things I was
• 1:03:56
  thinking as. You're talking about, you know,
• 1:03:58
  customizations, commissions. You know what I mean?
• 1:04:01
  People wanting to get something unique.
• 1:04:05
  Have you ever reached the point where you thought like the you?
• 1:04:12
  Know like let's say somebody comes in and they.
• 1:04:13
  Want you to make something custom for them, but they come
• 1:04:17
  to you with a design from. Somebody or something else maybe
• 1:04:22
  a movie or they saw something on a website or they saw something
• 1:04:27
  from another creator, right and they're like I want this made by
• 1:04:31
  you Do you think that there's like a.
• 1:04:34
  Moral conflict or does that any? Does that sit with you in any
• 1:04:36
  sort of way to like copy another design?
• 1:04:41
  So I'll give a for. Instance it hasn't happened, but
• 1:04:44
  if somebody came up to me and said I want a copy of Thor's
• 1:04:49
  armor from MCU from whatever whichever movie he he did in
• 1:04:54
  that particular outfit, I can't it it's licensed.
• 1:05:00
  I, I don't have a license to produce a copy of that.
• 1:05:05
  It's infringement and I could be sued.
• 1:05:08
  So I'm not going to take that chance.
• 1:05:11
  I can make you something similar.
• 1:05:14
  I can make you the basic style, but the exact duplicate is not
• 1:05:19
  going to happen. It's just not I I can't infringe
• 1:05:22
  on somebody else's work. It's a it's a moral code, A and
• 1:05:25
  it's against the law. So it's legal.
• 1:05:27
  Yeah, yeah, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and I wanted to approach
• 1:05:31
  that because I figured I, I already had like, I think I know
• 1:05:34
  just from talking with you, like I know what he's going to say,
• 1:05:36
  you know, you know, you're not in this for the for the money,
• 1:05:38
  You're not in this to just make a buck and and clearly you want
• 1:05:41
  to preserve your reputation. So yeah, I just wanted to throw
• 1:05:46
  that out there in case people are wondering, like, well, I
• 1:05:49
  want to support him, but I got this really cool thing that I
• 1:05:51
  saw from this movie or whatever. And yeah, so for people that are
• 1:05:54
  thinking about it, you know, be bear in mind there are, you
• 1:05:58
  know, copyrights for a. Reason.
• 1:06:01
  And, and all of that exists to protect the, you know, the, the
• 1:06:05
  artists or the creators of the original pieces.
• 1:06:08
  So I bought. I bought.
• 1:06:09
  The patterns which gives me the the company I bought the
• 1:06:13
  patterns from and I have 40 plus patterns of of letter armor I
• 1:06:17
  can make. I paid money for that which I
• 1:06:20
  paid for the licensing to make it.
• 1:06:24
  So I'm licensed to. Make that pattern.
• 1:06:27
  These these are both I, you know, I literally own the
• 1:06:31
  license to make these and sell them if I want to so and if I
• 1:06:39
  make they have a rule. It's weird to me.
• 1:06:42
  But if you sell 10 copies, if I sold 10 copies of that blue
• 1:06:48
  armor, I have to pay extra money to get another license to extend
• 1:06:52
  more sales that every 10 pieces of whatever.
• 1:06:56
  I have to go in and say, hey, I need to sell more and he'll sell
• 1:07:01
  me the rights or let me buy the rights to sell more copies of or
• 1:07:05
  whatever I'm making. That's just, it's just business.
• 1:07:09
  He's out of the United Kingdom, so it is what it is.
• 1:07:14
  Yeah, I think. I mean, I paid.
• 1:07:18
  For this college schooling and the patterns, I've probably put
• 1:07:25
  4 to $500 easy into just that part, yeah.
• 1:07:32
  Yeah. And then and then people like,
• 1:07:34
  well. You're not making, you know,
• 1:07:36
  you're new and why would you do that to start a business?
• 1:07:38
  This is This is why, because I have this vision that this is
• 1:07:42
  going to be awesome and and people are going to buy in like
• 1:07:45
  really want to do stuff like this.
• 1:07:46
  You know, I have one more set of armor that I want to make
• 1:07:50
  myself. It is the name of this armor is
• 1:07:55
  tear and it's a full suit shoulder to ankle.
• 1:08:00
  It's got articulating knees, articulating elbows, shoulders,
• 1:08:05
  everything. And it's a big project.
• 1:08:07
  If when I decide to jump into that one, but I'm, I'm, I'm
• 1:08:11
  really want to do that one because it's, it's a challenge
• 1:08:15
  and it's named after my, the deity that that I claim is as my
• 1:08:19
  first and my my foremost, which, you know, so I it it, it's gonna
• 1:08:24
  be pretty cool, I think, once I get there, Yeah.
• 1:08:27
  Dude, that's gonna be epic. I'm I'm anxious to I'm excited
• 1:08:30
  to to see the the outcome of it all and just for the clarity of
• 1:08:34
  it. When you when you say
• 1:08:36
  articulating pieces, we're talking about their like being
• 1:08:41
  able to so. Right.
• 1:08:44
  Yeah, that. Shoulder pauldron that I showed
• 1:08:46
  earlier it it cut it so a knee piece when you see people
• 1:08:52
  wearing plate mail armor and they have that full leg piece
• 1:08:57
  and it bends, that's an articulating yeah, no it.
• 1:09:02
  Moves with the bodies move the metal gauntlets that.
• 1:09:05
  Have all the little pieces that move that's an articulating.
• 1:09:09
  That's that's why you're articulating comes from is that
• 1:09:12
  it's movable but and it's still on you that it goes with the
• 1:09:16
  motion of your body. Yeah.
• 1:09:20
  What would you what? Would you say would be like the
• 1:09:26
  most for right for you? Right.
• 1:09:29
  Now, right, the pinnacle project for you, you got commissioned to
• 1:09:33
  do something for someone, whether it's armor, jewelry,
• 1:09:37
  whatever, like a shield, anything.
• 1:09:40
  What would you say would be like the pinnacle?
• 1:09:43
  Of. Your work right?
• 1:09:45
  Now in the. Stage of things to be given the
• 1:09:47
  chance to do. That's a good question.
• 1:09:53
  I would really like to do a piece of of even Tain mail for
• 1:10:01
  anybody famous. That would be cool.
• 1:10:04
  But like an armored piece for somebody that was like maybe
• 1:10:08
  want it going to be in a movie and they wanted it, they
• 1:10:11
  commissioned it themselves instead of having the studio.
• 1:10:13
  Something like that would be really awesome.
• 1:10:18
  One of my. Favorite stars?
• 1:10:19
  And, and it's corny as you want to call it.
• 1:10:21
  I would love to do a piece for Jason Momoa.
• 1:10:24
  That would be freaking great. He's a huge dude.
• 1:10:26
  It would be a massive challenge, but I think it would be awesome
• 1:10:30
  or anybody like that of that caliber to to wear something
• 1:10:34
  that I made, you know, and, and be like, holy crap, he's got
• 1:10:38
  like on screen, you know, yeah, that would be cool.
• 1:10:41
  That would be awesome. But other than that, I, I it's
• 1:10:44
  hard to say. My favorite, unfortunately, it's
• 1:10:50
  also the most expensive. But my favorite stuff to work
• 1:10:52
  with because it's so damn pretty is stainless steel or sterling
• 1:10:57
  silver. Excuse me.
• 1:10:58
  The Sterling is just gorgeous. I love the way it looks when
• 1:11:01
  it's done. It's so shiny and pretty, but
• 1:11:04
  it's very expensive and I love working with Sterling.
• 1:11:10
  I have to ask, are you a? Lord of the Rings fan.
• 1:11:13
  Yeah, OK. So.
• 1:11:16
  Side note on that, before I get into my question or my comment,
• 1:11:20
  side note on that the 25th year anniversary of Peter Jackson's
• 1:11:25
  Lord of the Rings films is here and theaters across.
• 1:11:32
  The Nation. Are re releasing all three?
• 1:11:36
  So the Fellowship, 2 towers, Return of the King in theaters,
• 1:11:40
  the extended editions, No, no less.
• 1:11:42
  Yeah, for two weekends. Next month in.
• 1:11:44
  January 1 of 1 of the local theaters here in Murfreesboro,
• 1:11:48
  TN. I'm like I'm buying tickets and
• 1:11:51
  going every day that weekend to watch this because I saw
• 1:11:55
  Fellowship when it came out in theaters 25 years ago.
• 1:11:58
  Me too. What I mean?
• 1:11:59
  And. So anyway, so since you're since
• 1:12:03
  you appreciate that, you know, and since you appreciate Peter
• 1:12:06
  Jackson's production in, in, in. Direction.
• 1:12:09
  And everything that happened. What is your favorite?
• 1:12:16
  Armor. Designed from the Lord of the
• 1:12:18
  Rings series. Are you a Gondorian armor kind
• 1:12:23
  of guy? Are you more Rohan the Elvin?
• 1:12:27
  Like what's What's your favorite armor?
• 1:12:31
  From. Those from those series, well,
• 1:12:34
  it's it's. My.
• 1:12:35
  OK, so yeah, I'll go 2 parts on this because something that I
• 1:12:41
  could make out of leather I'm, I would definitely go with Gondor
• 1:12:48
  and the tree because it's close to the tree of life and I like
• 1:12:53
  that design. But something that I wish I
• 1:12:56
  could make and would be extraordinarily killer to make
• 1:13:00
  is Sauron. His armor.
• 1:13:03
  Oh, that is insane. The gold scroll work and the,
• 1:13:09
  it's just, if you really look at it and you take away that it was
• 1:13:13
  worn by an evil person and you look at the artwork and that the
• 1:13:17
  artistry that was used to make all that work, it's, it's just
• 1:13:21
  nuts. It's so out there.
• 1:13:24
  It's so amazing. I would love to be able to do
• 1:13:27
  that, you know? And that's what's really
• 1:13:31
  impressive about just thinking about like the Lord of the Rings
• 1:13:33
  specifically, is that, you know, when these movies came out, you
• 1:13:36
  know, 25 years ago there, there, you know, there wasn't the
• 1:13:39
  advancement of CGI and all this shit that that's getting used in
• 1:13:43
  movies nowadays. You know, so like the the the
• 1:13:46
  people that. Designed the costumes and.
• 1:13:48
  Designed everything like it was so good.
• 1:13:51
  Like it wasn't cheap. They what?
• 1:13:52
  They didn't cut corners. They, they, they, they made good
• 1:13:55
  things and that was somebody crafted that.
• 1:13:58
  Somebody came up with that and made it a reality.
• 1:14:03
  You know from the drawing. Board to the.
• 1:14:06
  To the, to the, to the stage. I guess if you want to call it
• 1:14:08
  that, like that was somebody's idea and I'm.
• 1:14:14
  Going. To ask before I tell you,
• 1:14:16
  because you may. You probably already know,
• 1:14:17
  because if you're into the Lord of the Rings, you do know how
• 1:14:20
  they made their chainmail. Dude, I just saw a.
• 1:14:24
  Video about this the other day and it reminded me of it.
• 1:14:27
  Yeah, I mean, it was, it was just plastic.
• 1:14:31
  Yeah, a plastic extruder shot. Out plastic split rings and then
• 1:14:36
  they they weave them and glue individual rings together to
• 1:14:40
  make the chainmail. That's just insane.
• 1:14:44
  The intricacy, the time, just that, the patience of it all.
• 1:14:47
  And that was the other thing too, you know, 'cause you were,
• 1:14:49
  you were talking earlier to me about the, the results, right?
• 1:14:54
  When, when you're crafting a set of anything and then you see the
• 1:14:58
  results come in almost instantly, right?
• 1:15:01
  You, you, you, you start with this naked piece of leather or
• 1:15:05
  some pieces of metal. And then in a short period of
• 1:15:07
  time you see the results. I wanted to ask you right, the,
• 1:15:15
  the importance of patience and letting things take their
• 1:15:18
  course, right? Not like I have this vision.
• 1:15:20
  I want to see this thing happen and then how you kind of balance
• 1:15:24
  out the the vision and what could be while.
• 1:15:29
  Living in the. Present and in the.
• 1:15:30
  Crafting moment and appreciating the time it takes to do it well
• 1:15:36
  the first time. Not rushing through it just to
• 1:15:38
  get a result. Do you like?
• 1:15:41
  What's that experience like? For you when you're, when
• 1:15:42
  you're. Working on these pieces so I'll.
• 1:15:45
  Give. You a for instance, with the
• 1:15:47
  armor that I've made yeah, you, you they give you a picture of
• 1:15:51
  the finished product. That's the first thing you see.
• 1:15:54
  So you're like, cool, I want that.
• 1:15:56
  And then you get the breakdown and it's just insane.
• 1:16:00
  Well, to me, it's not insane anymore, but it shows you step
• 1:16:03
  by step how you get there. And so you, you, you, you you
• 1:16:07
  have to step back and be like, OK, I have to trace out the
• 1:16:11
  patterns. I have to cut out the patterns,
• 1:16:12
  I have to bevel the patterns I have to do all this stuff.
• 1:16:16
  So when you're doing the individual things, you could
• 1:16:18
  even and and it's it seems sound may sound weird, but you got the
• 1:16:24
  a full half a cow. Which is a. 6 foot long by 4 1/2
• 1:16:31
  foot wide chunk of leather that you bring home in a giant roll
• 1:16:37
  and you cut out all you if you put all your pattern on there
• 1:16:41
  and you cut all the pattern out, you've already get to see OK,
• 1:16:45
  this I'm making this is what I'm starting with, but I'm already
• 1:16:48
  seeing shape taking, if that makes sense.
• 1:16:51
  You know, you already Oh wow, that's now I understand this is
• 1:16:55
  how it goes together. And so you just do it step at a
• 1:16:58
  time. And with the blue and the black
• 1:17:01
  leather, I was the reason I did that, I enjoyed that one a lot
• 1:17:06
  is because I was able to do one color the black pieces and let
• 1:17:13
  them dry and then take the blue pieces and do them separately.
• 1:17:16
  So I'm progressing, not just sitting there letting something
• 1:17:19
  dry or something set. And I was able to do back and
• 1:17:22
  forth blue and then black and black and then blue and get that
• 1:17:26
  final look in a that's a 30 hours.
• 1:17:32
  It took me 30 hours to make that blue set.
• 1:17:35
  Wow. That's, I mean over a day, you
• 1:17:38
  know, just think about that. People like, think about what 30
• 1:17:42
  hours is. In your.
• 1:17:43
  Life what you're doing in a 30 hour window and this is not 30
• 1:17:48
  consecutive hours right David? No, no, we're just talking the.
• 1:17:52
  Combined. 30 hours over how long?
• 1:17:54
  Right? Week. 2 weeks?
• 1:17:55
  A month, right? Who knows?
• 1:17:57
  It was. Probably three.
• 1:18:00
  Well, that one was three to three and a little over three
• 1:18:02
  weeks, so almost a month. You know, like 30 hours spread
• 1:18:07
  over a month and you're having to like you, you have this
• 1:18:11
  again, you have this print or this, this template, this final
• 1:18:15
  thing like I want to see that and then you've got.
• 1:18:19
  Life you got your. Job you've got all these other
• 1:18:21
  obligations, things that are happening and then but in those
• 1:18:23
  moments of of presence where I'm like a new stage of existence
• 1:18:27
  has come forth in this thing, there's a new, there's a new
• 1:18:30
  pattern, there's a new portion of this.
• 1:18:32
  Thing that's come. Into reality.
• 1:18:34
  So like living with that in its progression, right?
• 1:18:37
  Like kind of growing. Up with it.
• 1:18:41
  And if if. You will.
• 1:18:42
  That's got to be special It it was and.
• 1:18:45
  Like the red one? Only took me a week.
• 1:18:50
  Because I was off of work and I sat there 8 hours a day.
• 1:18:55
  I literally got up at 7:00 or 6:00 or 7:00, ate breakfast,
• 1:19:00
  went down into the basement and start working on leather, set an
• 1:19:04
  alarm for lunch, come up and eat lunch with my girl, go back
• 1:19:07
  downstairs, work until dinner. And then if I had a small piece
• 1:19:12
  I could bring up, I would bring up and and dabble while we were
• 1:19:15
  sitting watching TV. That's for an entire week and
• 1:19:18
  that's how I got that one done that fast, but ate 6 to 8 hours
• 1:19:22
  a day working on it that and that's the only way you get it
• 1:19:26
  done quick. And you know with my job, like I
• 1:19:28
  said, I'm working 40 to 53 hours a week and some.
• 1:19:33
  And when I work 53 hours a week, that means I'm working six
• 1:19:36
  nights. So I have one night a week off
• 1:19:40
  to do laundry, to do grocery shopping and try and get some
• 1:19:44
  work done. Yeah.
• 1:19:47
  And then what? It's interesting though.
• 1:19:48
  That you had that time to while you were off.
• 1:19:52
  Work right you were. You gave that example of you.
• 1:19:55
  You treated it like it was your job, like you had alarms, you
• 1:19:59
  had a schedule. You you followed that structure
• 1:20:03
  to to. Do the thing it it it it.
• 1:20:07
  It didn't. Feel like a job to me because it
• 1:20:09
  was for me and I had a passion to try and do something.
• 1:20:11
  It didn't feel like work. I still love it.
• 1:20:13
  I still it's a hobby and I enjoy the heck out of it.
• 1:20:16
  But I did treat it like that because I wanted to see if I
• 1:20:22
  could do it in X amount of time, how much time would it take me
• 1:20:25
  if I really concentrate? Really just did it because
• 1:20:29
  that's the only way you really know what you're capable of.
• 1:20:32
  When somebody calls up and says, hey, I need this piece, but I
• 1:20:36
  only have this much time, can you do it?
• 1:20:38
  And you can say yes or no because you know what you can
• 1:20:41
  do? No, if somebody calls me up and
• 1:20:44
  a week before Renaissance Festival and says, hey, I want
• 1:20:47
  that blue set not happening, right?
• 1:20:50
  Yeah. Yeah, sorry bro.
• 1:20:53
  No. Yeah, it goes.
• 1:20:55
  It's also great that you had. That time to see like, 'cause
• 1:20:58
  you know, when 'cause I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm assuming and maybe I'm
• 1:21:02
  wrong, but like, you know, this is a, something you'd like to
• 1:21:07
  approach as a business, right? Go into business for yourself.
• 1:21:12
  And that takes discipline, that takes that.
• 1:21:14
  I'm getting up at a certain time, I'm working on this for a
• 1:21:16
  certain time. I'm, I'm having that right.
• 1:21:18
  You know, So yes, you, you can kind of make your own schedule.
• 1:21:23
  But in that also is, is, is a even stricter perhaps
• 1:21:30
  expectation to set, you know, I'm not reporting to somebody
• 1:21:33
  else who's setting my schedule. I'm reporting to me and I'm
• 1:21:36
  setting my schedule And you know, how am I going to hold
• 1:21:38
  myself accountable for this and all that sort of thing, But
• 1:21:43
  right, so. The, the, the red set, which
• 1:21:46
  again, it's kind of far back, you probably can't see it, but I
• 1:21:50
  know I'll get up and point it out that sewing this is all
• 1:21:57
  saddle stitch, which means you got to go in and out One
• 1:22:00
  Direction, then you go back in and out the other direction.
• 1:22:03
  And I did that all by hand on both sides.
• 1:22:07
  Give you an example. This one side took almost 25
• 1:22:12
  feet of of of sinew one side and I did it all with the needle and
• 1:22:21
  like this is another like that's all done by hand.
• 1:22:25
  It's just the and. That's what you're sewing with,
• 1:22:29
  is is. Leather and sinew.
• 1:22:31
  Yeah, it's a leather old. Leather needle.
• 1:22:34
  I punched the holes, and then I use either reel or imitation
• 1:22:39
  sinew that's tied to get close to the color.
• 1:22:43
  Yeah, it's stamped in. These are hand rivets.
• 1:22:46
  You can see that they're Cap Cappenburg rivets.
• 1:22:50
  Wow. I'm not.
• 1:22:51
  Trying to hide anything. There's nothing.
• 1:22:53
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it takes.
• 1:22:57
  Time, but I enjoy it so that's what matters.
• 1:23:00
  Right. That's what matters is, is
• 1:23:03
  loving what you do and doing what you love.
• 1:23:05
  We're going to get close to wrapping things up here, David,
• 1:23:08
  because we we've touched on a lot of good things and I want to
• 1:23:12
  be respectful of time because you got.
• 1:23:15
  Such a busy. Life and I know your downtime is
• 1:23:18
  is valuable, but I did have a couple of last minute questions
• 1:23:22
  that kind of were just more or less fun.
• 1:23:25
  Maybe it's like sort of rapid, rapid fire, right.
• 1:23:28
  So I'm going to ask you something and you just, you
• 1:23:30
  know, whatever the first thing comes to your mind sort of
• 1:23:34
  thing. So first one being one of the
• 1:23:37
  Norse gods comes to you and says make me a set of armor.
• 1:23:42
  Who is it? That.
• 1:23:43
  You would love. To make a set of armor for.
• 1:23:45
  Amongst the Norse gods, yeah. I got to go with Tear man.
• 1:23:48
  I knew it. I knew it it.
• 1:23:50
  Was a day I was like, if he says anything else I'm going to ask
• 1:23:52
  why, but yeah, it. I I got it.
• 1:23:56
  I got it, got it. So that's my boy, yeah.
• 1:24:00
  Now the color what do you think tears armor would what would he
• 1:24:06
  go with color wise color so funny.
• 1:24:09
  Thing you should ask but when I was setting up my altar and and
• 1:24:12
  doing armor I was looking at articles and an article said
• 1:24:17
  that certain colors are associated with certain deities
• 1:24:23
  and I love red and I love black and those are tears colors by
• 1:24:29
  chance? So it would definitely be red
• 1:24:32
  and black. That would look badass.
• 1:24:38
  And being a war God, I mean. That's that, that, that that
• 1:24:40
  tracks, you know? Yeah.
• 1:24:42
  Well, you know the. The red hides the blood.
• 1:24:49
  I read something or I saw. Something.
• 1:24:50
  Somewhere, one time, like the way like.
• 1:24:53
  I think it had to do with Spartans.
• 1:24:56
  You know, and they they wore a lot of red and that's, I don't
• 1:24:59
  know if that was true or not, if it's historically accurate, but
• 1:25:01
  they were like, we wear the red so that it it, it hides the
• 1:25:04
  blood or, you know, disguises the blood.
• 1:25:10
  Are there any particular like do you, do you?
• 1:25:14
  Approach your. Your leather work like as a
• 1:25:16
  heathen, I'm going to just go down.
• 1:25:18
  I'm going to focus on this right with this question.
• 1:25:20
  Is there any specific? Prayer or ritual or ceremony?
• 1:25:26
  Or anything that that you bring into your work as a heathen.
• 1:25:31
  Yeah. So whenever I do.
• 1:25:32
  Chain nail work or whenever I work with the leather, usually I
• 1:25:37
  put my high lung or wardrooner radio on and listen to that.
• 1:25:47
  It helps me get in the groove and in the mood and in the
• 1:25:50
  spiritual sense of doing things. I I love listening to to that
• 1:25:56
  music. So it, it's something that I, I
• 1:26:01
  enjoy doing. Unfortunately have not been able
• 1:26:05
  to catch them in concert, but one of these days I want to.
• 1:26:13
  Yeah, dude, if I know. Hilong are on a kind of a like a
• 1:26:16
  hiatus, but some of their people, you know, some of their.
• 1:26:22
  Members. Are doing things independently
• 1:26:25
  if you ever get a chance to. Make an event or or.
• 1:26:30
  Head somewhere that one of their people, like I know Jacob does
• 1:26:35
  like drum workshops and things and he's done stuff down in
• 1:26:38
  Huntsville, AL, which isn't far from you or I.
• 1:26:41
  And but yeah, like if you ever get a chance to socialize.
• 1:26:47
  With with that. Camp it's it's it's worth it so.
• 1:26:52
  Last question. Again, rapid fire sort of thing,
• 1:26:55
  but in the lore and throughout some of the stories we, we, we
• 1:26:59
  hear about the weapons being imbued with certain properties.
• 1:27:07
  You know, Odin's spear never misses.
• 1:27:11
  You know, Thor's hammer always comes back to him when it's
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  thrown. Various magical elements are
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  imbued into the the gods instruments or tools throughout
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  the lore and even in some of the sagas, you know, we we hear
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  about swords and and certain things being magically
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  influenced. What would be your magical
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  environment or, you know, something that you can imbue
• 1:27:37
  magic into one of your sets of or suits of armor if you had the
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  ability to. That's pretty simple.
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  As easy as. Protection, the symbol for
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  protection. You know, that that, that it's
• 1:27:49
  actually in my red suit, on my red suit is that symbol.
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  So yeah, it's a symbol for protection or, or the protect,
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  because that's what it's doing. That's his job is to protect
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  you. So if I had the the actual like
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  God abilities, I would make it indestructible.
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  But that's that's, you know, a different thing.
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  But that's what I would love. That would be awesome.
• 1:28:11
  But yeah, I would Protection. Yeah.
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  Yeah, I know. Like if I think of like, you
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  know, from like a like AD and D or a video game sort of aspect,
• 1:28:20
  like if I had like a suit of armor, like what I want my suit
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  of armor to be magically imbued with.
• 1:28:30
  Obviously like the armor's protection.
• 1:28:32
  Obviously like that that that's kind of like low hanging fruit,
• 1:28:34
  like OK, it it's meant to protect you.
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  So yes, protection, but like man, if I could like if anything
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  that my armor wore like if I if I wore.
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  A set of armor and it and it made me do.
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  Anything magical or or like crazy.
• 1:28:49
  You know, something beyond. Just the protection, like what
• 1:28:51
  would it be like if you ever thought of that?
• 1:28:55
  Like beyond the protection thing, like could, could, if
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  you're a suit of armor, could like, I don't know, like I'd say
• 1:28:59
  like make you fly or like pick up heavy things or, you know,
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  deflect, you know, other. Attacks like beyond physical.
• 1:29:08
  Attacks like maybe like the the. Belt that Thor's wear gives some
• 1:29:12
  extra strength. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:29:14
  That's. What I'm saying like like my
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  VAM? Braces could make like all of my
• 1:29:17
  hits be like 10 times worse or, you know, absolute critical hits
• 1:29:21
  when, when I swing, you know, or, or whatever that sort of
• 1:29:24
  thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:29:25
  That would be. Definitely, you know, and real
• 1:29:28
  quick before just got back a little quick on the the red
• 1:29:33
  armor a little bit of a joke I heard that I thought it's kind
• 1:29:38
  of funny. A a pirate captain is talking to
• 1:29:41
  his first mate and his first mate asks him why he always asks
• 1:29:46
  for red breeches when they go to battle.
• 1:29:49
  And he said, because if I bleed, my men don't see me bleed and
• 1:29:54
  they don't worry about me and we fight.
• 1:29:56
  And then you hear a guy yell from the crow's nest captain,
• 1:30:00
  though, like, Spanish Armada's coming.
• 1:30:02
  He goes quick, get my brown pants.
• 1:30:11
  Thought that was good. Yeah.
• 1:30:16
  Yeah, I get it. I get it.
• 1:30:18
  OK, All right, I. Hear you?
• 1:30:20
  Yeah, it's a dad joke. But it's funny.
• 1:30:22
  Yeah, it is. But.
• 1:30:23
  I'm a sucker for. Those dude, I'm I'm, you know, I
• 1:30:27
  get it. The brown pants, yes.
• 1:30:30
  David, it's been really good catching up with you and hearing
• 1:30:33
  where you're at with these things.
• 1:30:34
  And I appreciate your time covering your, your vision and,
• 1:30:39
  and where you're going with, with your craft.
• 1:30:42
  And I do wish you all the luck that you deserve in it becoming
• 1:30:45
  something successful and that you can bring your vision and
• 1:30:48
  other people's vision to life with, with this armor and, and
• 1:30:53
  jewelry and, and the Shields and just everything that you're
• 1:30:56
  doing. Man, it's it's really cool that
• 1:30:58
  we got a chance to to talk. About this and and share.
• 1:31:01
  It with the world. So thank you for coming back on
• 1:31:03
  the show. I appreciate the opportunity.
• 1:31:05
  And, and I'm hoping that, you know, obviously to get a little
• 1:31:11
  headed on this with this, but my main thing is also just to put
• 1:31:15
  it out there that hey, I'm here. You don't have to be a heathen.
• 1:31:19
  And I'm assuming that's mostly what listens and and watches
• 1:31:22
  you. But somebody may have a special
• 1:31:24
  somebody that's in the background that doesn't believe.
• 1:31:27
  And I don't have a problem with making, you know, stuff for
• 1:31:30
  anybody. I don't care what religion you
• 1:31:32
  are, what you follow necessarily.
• 1:31:36
  I, I, I'm not that. I'm not that kind of person.
• 1:31:38
  But, you know, it's really good to have the opportunity to do
• 1:31:41
  this. I really appreciate you doing
• 1:31:43
  this for me. Yeah, man, absolutely.
• 1:31:45
  Because I mean, listen, like you, you talked about going to
• 1:31:47
  the Ren fairs and and stuff. And that is a, that is a melting
• 1:31:50
  pot of all types of people. You know, it's, it's
• 1:31:53
  entertainment, it's fun, it's good family fun, you know what I
• 1:31:57
  mean? And a lot of times people just
• 1:31:58
  want to be able to go there and separate themselves from the
• 1:32:01
  normal mundane nonsense that they have to deal with.
• 1:32:04
  They want to put on this, this, this, you know, this, this
• 1:32:09
  guard, this, this suit of armor, right?
• 1:32:11
  And maybe in that moment, they're, they're connecting to
• 1:32:14
  something that is deep within them all along, you know,
• 1:32:19
  they're not trying to escape, they're just trying to
• 1:32:20
  reconnect. And I and they get to go to
• 1:32:22
  these events and they get to go somewhere and dress in a certain
• 1:32:25
  way and not be looked at as though they're weirdos or that
• 1:32:28
  they're, you know, it's silly or why you dressing up, You know,
• 1:32:31
  you're 47 years old, Why are you doing it right?
• 1:32:33
  It no, this is a safe space. It's, it's and it's, you know,
• 1:32:39
  an opportunity to, to just play and, and, and have a good time.
• 1:32:45
  You know, we, we forget about that aspect of, of our existence
• 1:32:48
  as human beings, the older we get, you know, we forget how to
• 1:32:52
  play. We forget how to just have a
• 1:32:54
  good time for the sake of having a good time.
• 1:32:57
  You know what I mean? We forget how to.
• 1:33:00
  Not take ourselves too seriously, that's, you know,
• 1:33:03
  we're getting out. But an example of what you're
• 1:33:05
  saying is a meta guy six years, seven years ago now at the
• 1:33:10
  Tennessee Renaissance Festival in a full set of plate armor,
• 1:33:15
  his occupation is brain surgeon, which is like, OK, you're a
• 1:33:21
  brain surgeon walking around in 110 lbs of steel in Tennessee
• 1:33:26
  heat. You're crazy, but you're
• 1:33:29
  awesome, you know? Yeah, Yeah, that's cool.
• 1:33:32
  Yeah. Good for.
• 1:33:32
  Them, man. Dude, I you know, more props to
• 1:33:36
  him because you know shit, I you know, because of this Tennessee
• 1:33:38
  heat, like I'm I'm I'm hard pressed to go out in anything
• 1:33:41
  more than shorts and AT shirt in September, you know, or whenever
• 1:33:46
  the Ren fair around here usually comes around.
• 1:33:48
  I think it's it's usually it's like the hot time of year.
• 1:33:50
  May, may right? Yeah, it's in the it's.
• 1:33:55
  In the early part of. The I know other other Ren fairs
• 1:33:57
  in other parts of the country have them in the the end of the
• 1:33:59
  summer, but Even so, like yeah. May in.
• 1:34:03
  Tennessee you you know it's hot. I got 1 words for you.
• 1:34:10
  Since there's renfairs everywhere, Nevada has theirs in
• 1:34:14
  June. Oh fuck.
• 1:34:16
  That, yeah. Have you been to Nevada in June?
• 1:34:20
  I lived in Nevada for. 10 years, there was no way in heck I was.
• 1:34:23
  No. Yeah.
• 1:34:25
  No, dude, you know, I've, I've, I've worked on the road and then
• 1:34:29
  I've been. All over the country and I've
• 1:34:30
  been in Arizona, Nevada, even parts.
• 1:34:34
  Of. Utah, you know, and in that time
• 1:34:36
  of year like in the southern parts of those states, but Nah,
• 1:34:40
  Hell no, dude. 120° air temperature, forget about.
• 1:34:46
  It you know. Arizona got smart.
• 1:34:50
  There's in February. That's OK, now that makes
• 1:34:53
  better. Sense.
• 1:34:53
  Yeah, good for Arizona. All right, David, is there
• 1:34:56
  anything else that you'd like to share or or parting words before
• 1:35:02
  we wrap this up? I think I'm good, you know,
• 1:35:04
  again, appreciate anybody that wants to give me a shout.
• 1:35:07
  I'll work with you and thank you, Jesse.
• 1:35:09
  And you know, we got to hang out sometime.
• 1:35:13
  Definitely, man. You know, we're, we're, we're so
• 1:35:15
  close. The fact that we haven't met up
• 1:35:17
  yet at this point is kind of bizarre.
• 1:35:19
  Like we're we're within an hour from each other.
• 1:35:22
  I've gone farther for less. So I work in Smyrna so.
• 1:35:27
  Well, you're, yeah, you're just right down.
• 1:35:28
  Yeah, I know where the Nissan. Plant is I mean, yeah, for for
• 1:35:31
  sure. So we'll we'll make it happen.
• 1:35:33
  Dude, like I I definitely want to touch base and and meet face
• 1:35:37
  to face, share your have some some sort of social interaction.
• 1:35:41
  So thank you, David, for coming back on the show for everybody
• 1:35:43
  that's, you know, listened and watched all of the things that
• 1:35:46
  David was talking about today. You know, follow him on
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  Instagram, his website, all that's going to be linked
• 1:35:51
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• 1:35:57
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• 1:36:00
  customizations or commissions or people that you want to get
• 1:36:03
  David to to to work with, here's your.
• 1:36:06
  Chance he's. He's just launched his business.
• 1:36:10
  Let's give him every chance at success that he deserves.
• 1:36:12
  And I, I, I'm anxious to, you know, what would be really cool
• 1:36:17
  for me, man, is to like go to any sort of event, anything and
• 1:36:21
  being like, that's cool, man, that you're wearing this.
• 1:36:23
  And then they were like, yeah, dude, DK custom leather and
• 1:36:26
  chain is who hooked me up. I'm like, I know that guy, you
• 1:36:29
  know? You'll see.
• 1:36:31
  Your work out there. That would be cool, yeah.
• 1:36:34
  Absolutely, man. All right, dude, so we're going
• 1:36:37
  to wrap. This up.
• 1:36:38
  Hang around with me just until the end of this.
• 1:36:40
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• 1:36:46
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• 1:37:18
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• 1:37:22
  upon you and we'll see you in the next one.
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