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Do People Really Run Off to Join the French Foreign Legion? · Stuff You Should Know

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  Speaker 1: the place when the thunderstarts. So if I can be
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  Speaker 1: there and hold him, he's fine. The French Foreign Legion,
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  Speaker 1: chuck um. They are a fighting force, a military fighting
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  Speaker 1: force that one young man by the name of Jean
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  Speaker 1: Claude van Damme ran off and joined in the movies.
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  Speaker 1: I got you, It totally got me. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I never knew. Can you imagine? No, he was? It
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  Speaker 1: was in the movies. He wasn't really a legionnaire. What
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  Speaker 1: movie was it? I think Legion was a movie called
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  Speaker 1: Legion Legion never heard of it. But yeah, he's a
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  Speaker 1: he's a legionaire. Actually you can tell, well, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that there are that many like big fans,
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  Speaker 1: but I'll bet his big fans are like like big
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  Speaker 1: time John Claude van dam Um, like Steven Seagal's fans
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  Speaker 1: probably probably so just a hardcore you know, um. But
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  Speaker 1: you could tell that Jean Claude van dam was in
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  Speaker 1: this movie because he's wearing a hat with the little
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  Speaker 1: cape in the back. Yeah. Is that what it's called? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: spelled k e P. I pronounced KP. And they still
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  Speaker 1: wear those, and uh, you know it's a it's a
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  Speaker 1: tradition that is still true today. The little flat cap
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  Speaker 1: very stiff and rigid, and uh, they don't always have
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  Speaker 1: the capes, you know, when they're out where they need them,
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  Speaker 1: they will. Well, the reason that they would have them
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  Speaker 1: is because for the better part of two centuries, the
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  Speaker 1: French Foreign Legion was stationed in Algeria. Yeah. Uh. And
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  Speaker 1: the reason they were station there is because that's where
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  Speaker 1: their headquarters were almost from the moment of inception of
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  Speaker 1: this um, this military group. Yeah. And the reason they
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  Speaker 1: were stationed there from inception was because they were a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of ne'er do well criminals in many cases, and
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  Speaker 1: so they're like, you know, you guys are great and
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  Speaker 1: you're super tough. Let's move you to Algeria to help
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  Speaker 1: our colonization efforts and get you out of France. Do
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  Speaker 1: you want to talk about the history first? Yeah, well today,
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  Speaker 1: let's talk about today just for one second. Over there
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  Speaker 1: are seven thousand, two d and eighty six Legionnaires as
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  Speaker 1: of December of last year, and to the date, to
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  Speaker 1: the date the date, thirty thousand have died in battle
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  Speaker 1: over the years. I saw that, which is not that bad.
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  Speaker 1: But it's a small group. You know that seven thousand
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  Speaker 1: isn't much, right, and there they are the fighting force
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  Speaker 1: in the world that have seen more continuous acts than
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  Speaker 1: any other. Yeah, they fight constantly, They've been fighting constantly. Well,
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  Speaker 1: and they're bad dudes like there, they even say in
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  Speaker 1: this article. And they're well known to be much tougher
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  Speaker 1: than the regular French army because they're not French. Well
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  Speaker 1: they're actually I don't know much that has to do
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  Speaker 1: with it, but they're known for being tough dudes. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and they're also a special forces unit. Basically, Um, no women.
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  Speaker 1: When we say dudes, we can say dudes. Yeah, there's
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  Speaker 1: never been a Fridge Foreign legionnaire who is a woman. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: and um, they are. They've been in just about every conflict,
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  Speaker 1: um that the French have been in, yeah, since eighteen thirty. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And did you know that the French Foreign legion invaded
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  Speaker 1: Mexico in eighteen sixty one and stayed there until eighteen
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  Speaker 1: sixty five when they're finally beaten back. Yeah. They tried
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  Speaker 1: to assassinate the president and installed in Austrian prince named
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  Speaker 1: Maximilian as the ruler of Mexico, has set it up
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  Speaker 1: as a French puppet state. I wonder if they had
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  Speaker 1: any influence on Culinarily speaking, I don't know. You don't
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  Speaker 1: much French stuff pop up in Mexico like you do
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  Speaker 1: in like Vietnam. During that Colognial period you know, or Indochina. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So do you want to go to history? Should how
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  Speaker 1: these guys start? Well? In uh eighteen thirty Josh, they
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  Speaker 1: tell you little story about a guy named King Louis Philippe. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: It's known as a July Revolution. He replaced King Charles
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  Speaker 1: ten and X X and H after the Bourbon mon
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  Speaker 1: archy fell and this was Parisian radicals were involved in
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  Speaker 1: this overthrow. So even though he was made king in
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  Speaker 1: large part because of these radicals and because of radicalism,
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  Speaker 1: these radicals were some tough guys and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: them were you know, it kind of brought in this
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  Speaker 1: um criminal element in some cases. And you know, I
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  Speaker 1: don't want to say they were bad guys, but maybe
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  Speaker 1: they were bad guys. Well, the King Louis Philippe thought
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  Speaker 1: that they were a threat to the monarchy because you know,
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  Speaker 1: he had gotten to the throne by these radicals, and
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  Speaker 1: it had attracted radicals from all over Europe and a
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  Speaker 1: lot of them were very soldier like, and he was
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  Speaker 1: like or former soldiers um, and he said, welcome to France.
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  Speaker 1: Let me figure out what to do with you. I
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  Speaker 1: can't legally make you a part of the French army.
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  Speaker 1: So how about I just make a foreign legion made
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  Speaker 1: up of foreign dissidence, foreign nationals, and UM send him elsewhere.
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  Speaker 1: And they for pretty happy with that plan. It was
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  Speaker 1: March of one he laid out his eight articles and
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  Speaker 1: pretty much that was what the foreign legion was from,
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  Speaker 1: who they were to be, where were there to train,
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  Speaker 1: what were there to where? And a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: traditions were established in that very first set of articles UM.
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  Speaker 1: And then included in that, Chuck are, was one that
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  Speaker 1: said that you had to UM to check for a
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  Speaker 1: birth certificate, a certificate of good life manners, and a
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  Speaker 1: certificate from a military authority saying that this person is
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  Speaker 1: a good soldier. And you had to have all that
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  Speaker 1: if you're going to accept the recruit that or um
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  Speaker 1: it was up to the commandants discretion. Yeah, that it
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  Speaker 1: reminded me of like how they'll be a paragraph and
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  Speaker 1: a legal contract that says all these things. At the
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  Speaker 1: very end it will say like or we could just
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  Speaker 1: change our mind about all that, right, So basically, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we need all these papers and documents, and that was
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  Speaker 1: in our article seven or article six, and then the
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  Speaker 1: seventh article said, or just let them in if you,
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  Speaker 1: you know, have a good feeling about them exactly, and
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  Speaker 1: worry about the papers so much. And that led to
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  Speaker 1: this thing called um and and non nimt nonmat, which
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  Speaker 1: is anonymity in French. Um and it says that you
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  Speaker 1: can join the French Foreign Legion under an assumed name,
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  Speaker 1: because we're going to give you an assumed name one
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  Speaker 1: way or another for the first year of your service
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  Speaker 1: in the French Foreign Legion. You need to basically take
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  Speaker 1: on an assumed name. You're leaving your old identity behind.
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  Speaker 1: And that's a really strange, unusual aspect of the frenchign
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  Speaker 1: legion um that still exists today. Yeah. In fact, it
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  Speaker 1: was mandatory until just a few years ago. Until two
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  Speaker 1: thousand ten, you had to sign up under a different name,
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  Speaker 1: and then at the end of that year you go
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  Speaker 1: through a process called military regularization of the situation, which
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  Speaker 1: basically meant you could get your old papers back from
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  Speaker 1: your home country and go back to your old name.
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  Speaker 1: And you can still do all that. It's just not
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  Speaker 1: mandatory any longer. No UM. But a lot of guys
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  Speaker 1: it's like the fresh start, you know, that's what they're
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  Speaker 1: looking for. A lot of men who joined the army
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  Speaker 1: and that's one of the every country. That's one of
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  Speaker 1: the things that the French Foreign Legion touts when you
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  Speaker 1: when you join it, is that we're a place you
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  Speaker 1: can have a second chance. Yeah, forget your past, even
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  Speaker 1: forget your name, minor criminal records. I mean back in
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  Speaker 1: the day they would accept major criminals. Uh. Now they're
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  Speaker 1: a little more selective and they'll overlook like a minor
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  Speaker 1: criminal record, but nothing like they want to accept murderers
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  Speaker 1: and things like that. And for a very long time, Um,
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  Speaker 1: they would accept nothing, no one but foreign nationals. You
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  Speaker 1: couldn't be French and join the French Foreign Legion. You
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  Speaker 1: can join the army, but not the foreign Legion. Um.
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  Speaker 1: They recently changed that, so you can be French um
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  Speaker 1: and join it, right, Yeah. And you can gain your
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  Speaker 1: French citizenship as a foreign national by serving what three years?
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  Speaker 1: Three years in good standing. And I think you have
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  Speaker 1: to go back to your original name and stuff. Um, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you if you're going to get citizenship, you can't do
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  Speaker 1: it under your declared name. Um. And you're talking about that, um,
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  Speaker 1: the what was it called where you go through that
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  Speaker 1: that process of the military regularization of the situation it's
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  Speaker 1: such a weird name for name change really is UM.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not just the name change. It's basically like
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  Speaker 1: that represents the end of your first year, and it
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  Speaker 1: represents the end of the French Foreign Legion owning you
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  Speaker 1: during this time. UM. During your first year, you cannot
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  Speaker 1: have a civilian bank account, you can't get married, you
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  Speaker 1: can't wear civilian clothes even off duty. You can't buy
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  Speaker 1: a car, you can't um travel abroad on leave anywhere
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  Speaker 1: but France. You have to wear your uniform all the time. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: some in some form or fashion you have to wear
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  Speaker 1: a uniform. So yeah, it's UM. They own you for
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  Speaker 1: the first year. It's definitely harder than the French Army.
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  Speaker 1: Like you said, yeah, and whatever status. If you're married
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  Speaker 1: and you join the French Foreign Legion, you have to
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  Speaker 1: enlist as a single man, right, So I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if I guess you can remain married technically, but the
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  Speaker 1: papers say that you're a single man. I would imagine
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  Speaker 1: if you run off to the French Foreign Legion, the
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  Speaker 1: marriage might be on shaky ground as it is, or
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  Speaker 1: you're not married. Yeah, this good point that probably out
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  Speaker 1: of like already married men doesn't seem like a very
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  Speaker 1: family supportive place. It's kind of like, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: are getting away from a situation or something like that. Honey,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to deny your existence and change my name. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but it's really worth it because I want to be
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  Speaker 1: a legionnaire and where and where the kp right and
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  Speaker 1: gain the respect of the French. You think I'm just kidding. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know what's funny is they are. I read an article.
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  Speaker 1: There's an article in the December two thou twelve Vanity
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  Speaker 1: Fair called the Expendables. That's pretty interesting. It's about the
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  Speaker 1: French Foreign Legion what they're doing now. Some of that
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: you remember in our gold Um episode we talked about
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  Speaker 1: illicit gold mining in Guiana. Apparently one of the things
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  Speaker 1: that Foreign Legion is doing now is they're fighting those
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  Speaker 1: gold miners now, shutting that down. That's one of the
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  Speaker 1: things they're doing because Afghanistan's winding down for the French,
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  Speaker 1: so they're kind of looking for new stuff to do,
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  Speaker 1: and that's one of the things up. Uh. Your first
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  Speaker 1: contract if you join up as a legionnaire is a
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  Speaker 1: minimum of five years and pay for a corporal starting
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  Speaker 1: out is one thousand forty three I guess euros per
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  Speaker 1: month plus of course you know all room and board,
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  Speaker 1: but that's your take home pay or not. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know about takeome but that's your salary. And you get
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  Speaker 1: forty five days leave and then you know there is
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  Speaker 1: a path to prosperity to some degree in success US,
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  Speaker 1: just like any other army, you can work your way
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  Speaker 1: up through the officer ranks. And after that first five years,
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  Speaker 1: successive contracts are six months to five years. Uh. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't I'm not sure how they determine that, whether
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  Speaker 1: it's up to you, like if you're like, I just
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  Speaker 1: want to go six months at a time here, guys,
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  Speaker 1: or I'm not sure. I couldn't actually find any information
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  Speaker 1: on that. If they're like, no, you you must sign
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  Speaker 1: for three years, six months whatever. Yeah, they're like you'll
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  Speaker 1: probably be dead by then anyway, so and we'll keep
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  Speaker 1: all of your euros um So in that article, one
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  Speaker 1: of the things I was that I came across was
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  Speaker 1: that the the um the legionnaire's view themselves and apparently
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  Speaker 1: are viewed by the French as That's why the article
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  Speaker 1: is called the Expendables as basically there to fight and
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  Speaker 1: kill and die, and that there's a lot of honor
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  Speaker 1: in dying, even if it's unnecessarily. But they're just they
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  Speaker 1: kind of are nihilistic. I get the impression. And I
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  Speaker 1: think they even used that word their nihilists, well not
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  Speaker 1: say nhilists. Yeah. I did read part of the article though,
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  Speaker 1: and they said that normal people don't join the French
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  Speaker 1: Foreign Legion, right, they said they're all just a little
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  Speaker 1: little off, which, um, you know, good about their tough dudes.
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  Speaker 1: And the Spans. The Spanish tried the same thing in
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  Speaker 1: they tried to form the Spanish Foreign Legion, um, and
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  Speaker 1: it didn't take so now it's just called the Spanish Legion.
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  Speaker 1: It's made up of Spaniards. Yeah. And some folks say
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: America could try something like a foreign Legion with h
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: the influx of non Americans in this country to maybe
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  Speaker 1: serve under our regular armies. And uh, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: a French name, I believe. I don't know. Uh, I
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  Speaker 1: from Donato and it's about autopsies. Dudes, just finished listening
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  Speaker 1: to the autopsies work. I wanted to mention a couple
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  Speaker 1: of things. I'm currently in law enforcement and have attended
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  Speaker 1: a few of them. My first one was really fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: The emmy tried to get me to vomit by handing
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  Speaker 1: me a brain the past to his assistant, but it
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  Speaker 1: actually really turned out to be extre really exciting for me,
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  Speaker 1: So screw you, Emmy, I'm not vomiting. Look at me,
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  Speaker 1: I'm juggling in s brand Um. I wanted to point
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  Speaker 1: out you did not mention the extraction of vitreous fluid
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  Speaker 1: from the eyeballs using a needle. That part was a
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  Speaker 1: little freaky to me, I have to admit, and after
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  Speaker 1: a couple of times asked why it was done, which
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  Speaker 1: leads me to toxico toxicological toxicological examination. Fluids and samples
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  Speaker 1: from some organs are sent for examination in these cases. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: and in my experience, emmys will not provide a final
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  Speaker 1: autopsy before toxicology results come back. And lastly, the difference
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  Speaker 1: between cause and manner of death c O D and
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  Speaker 1: m O D Uh. They are used interchangeably often, but
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  Speaker 1: c O D is the physiological mechanism responsible for death,
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  Speaker 1: where m O D is the explanation how the c
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  Speaker 1: O D can would be. For example, is physia is
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  Speaker 1: the c O D and murder is the m O D.
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  Speaker 1: If a person is smoldered with their pillow, so c
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  Speaker 1: you can be considered purely medical, while the m O
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  Speaker 1: D is a combination of medical and investigative and evil
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  Speaker 1: and so I hope it did not double tap something
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  Speaker 1: you guys covered. Well, that's an old time your reference.
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  Speaker 1: Nice call out to uh green Barray's uh Delta Delta.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you, Denato, Thanks Denata. Appreciate that he's written in before. Awesome,
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