Latest / Giving Pain Purpose with Lyndsay Soprano / Start Wherever You’re At with Jason Ott
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- Lyndsay Soprano (00:02.042) guys, I am a freaking stress ball. I have been living the past decade, if not longer, in a constant state of overwhelm. And I mean constant. I manage stress poorly. This is no news to anybody. If you can call it even managing it, right? Lyndsay Soprano (00:39.249) See, even my camera's stressed out. Jason Ott (00:46.014) Buh-uh. Lyndsay Soprano (00:46.073) All right, we're gonna start that right from the beginning again. I don't need to do the five, four, three, two, Steve, you'll figure that one out. That's my producer. Hi, Steve. All right. Hi. I don't know what the hell just happened there, but you switched sides of the screen for some reason. So, all right, here we are. All right. I am a fricking stress ball. I have been living the past decade, if not longer, in a state of constant overwhelm. mean, managing stress, if I can even call it managing stress, I do it very, Jason Ott (00:53.662) Bye Steve. Lyndsay Soprano (01:16.416) And the way I respond to stress even stresses me out talking about and thinking about how I manage stress. It's just this never-ending cycle. And it makes me feel kind of nuts on some days, you know? And it 100 % contributes to my pain, my health, and my well-being without a doubt. I know when something stressful comes up in my world, my pain, literally my feet immediately catch on fire. runs all the way up my legs, up to the back of my spine, into the back of my head, and down my arms into my fingertips. And when you live in the kind of stressful world that I live in, that is like almost every second of my life. It is crazy stressful to even think about how I live every day. But don't get me wrong, I'm incredibly grateful for my life and where I am in it. I'm incredibly grateful for the show and the people that I meet and the people that I get to reach out to by doing what we're doing here. But in order to live on the daily, I have developed some not so healthy ways to cope. And my coping mechanisms for stress and overwhelm are unhealthy. Outside of, I swim and I read and I do a little bit of yoga. But honestly, I tend to shut down. I disappear. I don't wanna talk to anybody. I don't wanna make eye contact with anybody. I don't wanna do anything with anyone. I don't respond to texts. I don't respond to emails. I kinda just disappear. And I go into this space of avoidance. And I do this because I feel like I am constantly processing all the things that are continuously being thrown at me. And I've created a space in my life since I was a little girl where everyone expects everything out of Wenzie. Because I always show up, I always say yes, and I never say no in places where I should. And so I am here today to say I am done with this because my physical and mental health has got to become number one and I know I have been saying this. for too long. So how the hell do we get out of these stress cycles, guys? How do we navigate this, especially when you're talking about chronic illness and chronic pain? So we're here today to talk about this big time. We're gonna get de-stressed and we're gonna talk about, we're gonna talk about tools for stress management while navigating chronic illness. We're gonna touch a little bit on the ongoing struggle of being empathic, which everybody knows on this show that I am a big empath. Lyndsay Soprano (03:37.463) psychological and physiological aspects of chronic stress and overwhelm using the Bean Triad framework to align mind, body and spirit for lasting wellness, which we're gonna get into. And we'll touch on some real life healing stories that inspire hope and empowerment, because that's what we do here. So without further ado, I would like to introduce you to my handsome as hell guest today, Jason Ott. Hey baby. I'm good and ready for you today. Jason Ott (04:01.566) How you doing? Yeah, that was a heck of an introduction right there. Lyndsay Soprano (04:08.721) I like to do the intros live instead of recording and then afterwards recording intros before because I don't love that. So I like to do it proud and loud and in charge right from the beginning of it. So let me pull you in. Jason is the founder of Empowered Prevention. He is a certified herbal nutrition consultant with 15 plus years and 20,000 plus hours, that sounds exhausting by the way, helping clients facing chronic illness. blending herbalism, exercise science, and integrative health. He guides people to reconnect mind, body, and spirit, turning pain into a path toward healing, not unlike my tagline, which is giving pain purpose. And he also has a book called No Cure, No Problem, The Art of Healing, which we'll get into as well. So I'm rolling out the red carpet for you, babe. I would like to start with how you got into the world of stress management and all of this overwhelm, and then let's take it from there. Jason Ott (05:02.93) Got it. Well, I think it actually, it technically was started in stress, but that's not how I internalized it because most of what we first experience as stress is what we see. So growing up, my mom was an identical twin and she ended up having a brain tumor. So very young when you talk about stress, I mean, I was four five years old that... changes how you look at the world because it was kind of like waiting for something to drop here. Like when is she going to make it? Am I going to have a mom? What's going on here? So that is what got me into health. I mean, I feel like since I've been born and have a conscious mind, that's all I've really thought about in some capacity, whether it was gloom and doom or more of empowerment, trying to figure out what we can do to help our health while we still have some. so I got into that world because essentially my mom beat the cancer. She was cancer free till the day she died, but her body slowly began breaking down and we mainly pursued medical options until finally Mayo Clinic, somebody up there in Minnesota was like, look, this is not a medical thing. This is lifestyle. She needs help with her stress. She needs. Lyndsay Soprano (06:20.688) Hmm. Jason Ott (06:23.954) bone mass, she needs muscle mass, she needs nourishment. These are areas that there's no pill per se that's gonna fix. You guys gotta go find these people and start to integrate this in our life. So that happening so young, that's why I started studying the things I did as I was looking for answers for her and why the body kept getting weaker and breaking down while my mom's identical twin has never had cancer and is still alive. So the gene part of it was fascinating for me of like, okay, well, what are these other factors? And if it's not genes and if it's not whatever it is, like I must be screwed because I mean, look at that. So there's like a lot of fear and stress that initially drove me into this world. And then very soon I realized it all starts with the mind. Lyndsay Soprano (07:06.489) Yeah Sir. Jason Ott (07:21.916) It all starts with our stress level there and how we perceive the world and then what we want to do from that point. And I eventually learned that when I had my own health issues. So in a nutshell, that's how it got to be where we're at. Lyndsay Soprano (07:35.385) Yeah, and it really is amazing when I look back and we talk about a little bit about like disease type timeline, right? When we're mapping those things, I know that I've done a lot of timeline therapy about like, okay, when did this start happening in my life? Like certain health challenges that I was faced with from a very young age. What happened when I was nine? Why did this happen? And certainly clearly right after that, I started like, I started my period when I was nine years old. What the hell is that? Well, what happened to me when I was nine? Well, Jason Ott (08:00.115) my gosh. Lyndsay Soprano (08:03.641) I was sexually assaulted when I was nine years old. So you start with things like that and then you go back in your timeline and all of these health issues that kept creeping in and creeping in when things were happening that were really sad and traumatic and sometimes not even that bad, but it still affected us when you look at that disease timeline. It's so interesting. Can you talk a little bit about that mapping of the disease timeline and how that can kind of uncover the root causes of chronic illness? Jason Ott (08:31.132) Yeah, yeah. I think I had to do something similar. Part of it was my curiosity on understanding how this came to be for my own mom. But then when I got diagnosed with colitis, I had some autoimmune things going on. I wondered how the heck I got there because it was so early in my life. And I started going back through trying to understand how did my emotional health break my body down? How did my lack of spiritual connection or identity? How did that shape me into making poor decisions and having a poor mindset? And then of course, physically, how did I cope? Drugs, alcohol, abusing my body with excessive exercise and different things like that just to get through the day. Once I could chart it out and kind of like connect those dots, literally, you see what you just said is like these emotional events, these stressful events within two years or less, boom, something happens. Lyndsay Soprano (09:14.694) Yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (09:28.081) Mm-hmm. Jason Ott (09:28.624) And so it started to be really clear that this emotional, whether we want to call it trauma, whatever it is, it causes a physical change in the body. Now, what can we do about that? That's a loaded question. But that timeline then held true for every single person I worked with. So I began, instead of diving into, I know you got a physical disease, but instead I'm like, so emotionally through your life. Lyndsay Soprano (09:44.721) Yeah. Jason Ott (09:57.436) and then I want them to share childhood coming up. And then questions like this, let's say I was working with someone with a thyroid condition, they go and run me through their life, tell me a timeline and I'm like, let me guess, you've had this happen physically within a year or so after that. Yeah, how'd you know that? Because it's completely connected, right? That emotional experience, that stress, and then the hard wire in our body and how we interact with our environment. There's no difference. affects us all to some degree. So as soon as you start to connect that dot, that's where the power's at. Lyndsay Soprano (10:33.071) And it's a scary place to connect those dots. And I actually didn't start doing any of that until I started the show. I knew that I had all kinds of rebellion and issues that I I went down every kind of slippery slope that you could possibly imagine. I had a lot of fun doing a lot of it. But, and I'm a person that doesn't harness a lot of regret for decisions that have been made or things that have happened to me because I mean, the past is in the past, but the past is still living in my bod. And that is what is so incredibly scary about it compounding over time, over and over and over. And then we respond to X, Y, and Z happening to our body a certain way. And everybody responds differently. I know for me, it's like, okay, well, I'm just gonna pour a glass of Prosecco and I'll make that go away for a little bit longer, you know? And we continue to do those and then we build all these terrible habits. And then when stressors come in, that normally wouldn't tick somebody off or set them over the edge. Something so simple. will literally send me into the car on a Zoom call sobbing in the garage with my friend Jason Ott the first time I meet this guy, right? I'm doing my meet and greet with him and I have 29,000 fucking people in my house doing construction and my only piece was in my garage in my car so I could talk to you. And that is what my life has been over the past couple years where I'm trying to find these little safe havens where I have peace for just a short amount of time. Jason Ott (11:39.026) Hahaha Lyndsay Soprano (12:01.231) because I am unable to process stress in a healthy way and it overwhelms me so much that I have to just like, like I said in my opening that I have to avoid, I have to get away from it as fast as possible. Why the hell does that happen? And what can we do to fix this? Jason Ott (12:17.358) Right, right. Well, it's interesting because going through that timeline, you start to identify how the stress built up. So then you can kind of reverse engineer that and start going, I need space. Now that's a loaded question. What does that look like for you or somebody else? But that timeline then opens you up to, well, I see how the problem came into my being or my stress or the perspective I carry. Lyndsay Soprano (12:29.563) Mm-hmm. Lyndsay Soprano (12:46.541) Mm-hmm. Ooh, I like that. Jason Ott (12:47.022) Now, what is the inverse of that? What would give me the space, the time to reverse engineer, to make sense of, to look at it with my adult mind now? I had a lot of stuff happen when I was younger and clearly you did too, that it was like, I didn't look at that correctly. I didn't have the perspective I have now. So it was like being able to know, all right, I got to go back through and I got to start reframing. what this means to me, reparenting myself, so to speak, and providing context that I defined, I don't know if I want to say wrong, because to your point, I don't really regret it. I went through it for a reason, but it was not serving me anymore, how I define those situations. And that dictated my day-to-day actions and habits and what I was willing to do for myself. Because that self-worth, I think is huge. Lyndsay Soprano (13:17.477) Mm-hmm. Lyndsay Soprano (13:41.659) Yeah. Jason Ott (13:41.724) is like I literally was not gonna do certain things for myself because all this other stuff mattered more. And making that space, man, that's a very difficult thing for many of us. Lyndsay Soprano (13:48.454) Yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (13:57.923) It is. mean, my space right now is in my pool. That's like the only place right now. And my sweetie will come out and I'll like catch like I'm getting out like done with the lap and I'll like I'll see like a shadow to the right of me. And he's like standing on the side of the pool, like watching me swim. I'm like, will you give me one place where I have some solitude? Because you're driving me crazy. We first hooked up like a decade ago. I'm in infrared sauna and I'm like in there, I'm in my sauna, I'm like listening to my woo woo music and he would like open the door, he's like, what do you want for dinner? I'm like, you are gonna make me lose my marbles. So when we have people that bring stress into our world, we have to figure out ways, how do we approach that? How do we communicate with people that come into our lives and into our spaces where we're like, hey, this is a boundary that you have to. absolutely respect because if I don't get this time, whether it be meditation or swimming or yoga or whatever the hell it is, if I don't get this, I am going to suck for the rest of the day and it might even be for the rest of the month at the rate you're going buddy. You know, what can we do? I mean, it's nuts. Jason Ott (15:06.99) It is, it is, but like you're right. And I think first off, there's nothing we, we can't avoid not setting the boundary. Now how we do it, we can do that a lot of different ways, right? We can bring in help. can, there's a lot of strategies, but we can't avoid it. So first and foremost, we got to accept that of like, all right, we got to figure out how to give ourselves space and Lyndsay Soprano (15:10.81) Thank you. Lyndsay Soprano (15:19.046) Mm-hmm. Jason Ott (15:31.624) How do I get that message across to my partner or my family or my boss or insert whoever it is? But that has to happen. Once you do, I don't think you need to have a plan for the space, meaning this. So many people are like, well, what will I do if I sit there and meditate or take time for myself? Or what will I journal about? Or why would I go spend time and eat lunch by myself? You don't need to have a specific reason other than the fact. Lyndsay Soprano (15:38.051) Right. Jason Ott (15:59.62) you just need to make some alone time and some space. And no person needs a reason for that. You don't need to justify your alone time or your space. That's what you need. So like coming to terms and accepting and saying that's my truth, then beginning that process of trying to set that boundary. There's two ways I look at this. Either people hear you, they want to understand you, if they have the capacity to do so, and to the point that they can and they allow you that space. Or the reality is there's plenty of people that don't have others that respect them emotionally. So when you try to set the boundary, you get hit with a list of questions and almost feeling like you're attacked. To where I go to, you don't got to tell them, you don't got to explain them. Either you accept this Lyndsay Soprano (16:49.008) Yes. Jason Ott (16:55.486) part of me for what it is and we can move forward and navigate this together or not and I don't know that we can avoid that. Now if you need to bring in a second party because obviously I'm married and if I say it versus somebody else, she might receive it differently if this other person says it. Lyndsay Soprano (17:15.601) I know, it drives you bonkers, doesn't it? You're like, I said the exact same words to you. Jason Ott (17:21.662) In 100 % honesty, me and my wife are honest about that. The words I say mean one thing, the words she says mean another thing. And when we had to bring someone in, because I'm like, wait, I'm going to look up the definition of these words, because you don't understand the definition. You know what I mean, though? But we had to, because I was going to lose it based on what I believed was right. Either way, we were both Lyndsay Soprano (17:41.398) my God. Yeah. Jason Ott (17:51.08) we're right, because we both had feelings, whether I understood hers completely or not, I would just okay in accepting we don't get that fully. And so we need to bring that help in, else we're gonna kill each other. Lyndsay Soprano (18:00.771) Yeah. I always say I'm gonna drown you in this pool, Jason Ott (18:09.342) Yes! Lyndsay Soprano (18:11.889) Don't make me tie rocks to the bottom of your feet while you're sleeping, because I'm stronger than you. I will drag your body into the desert. No, it's just, it really is unbelievable because our loved ones, we get affected so much more by the people that we love, of course, and we beat them up, we take things out on them that they don't deserve. I maybe sometimes they deserve them, but there's some points where it's like, I did not mean for that to come across that way, or that came across to you and that is absolutely not what... Jason Ott (18:18.257) Yeah! Lyndsay Soprano (18:40.643) the words that were coming out of my mouth, how did you even interpret that? And then this stress is created and then it oozes into other parts of our lives that have absolutely no bearing on what that conversation or that interaction was even about in the first place. And so for me, I think that a lot of the stress management has been a lot of communicating how you're feeling in certain moments when certain things happen. But when you're talking about Jason Ott (18:44.637) Hmm. Lyndsay Soprano (19:09.137) What did you use? Like, re-engineering or what did you say? Reparenting, re-engineering, reframing, all the things going kind of backwards from where we are right now. So when you're talking about integrating all of these different modalities, all these different tools, can you kind of talk a bit about your Bean Triad framework? Because I know that that... Jason Ott (19:13.117) Repair it. Lyndsay Soprano (19:31.185) When we're talking about aligning our mind, our body and our spirit, those are the things that I'm trying to do when I swim. I'm using swimming specifically because it's just turned into like my passion all of a sudden in the past nine months. And that is where I am in my most peaceful state right now is when I am there because I am breathing. I'm seeing like the air bubbles going through the water. I can dance and my pain level is much lower because there's no pressure on my joints and my feet feel better. I mean, it's such a beautiful place that I do the most. alignment for myself, but when you're working with people, can you kind of talk about how you work on personalizing plans with people and how you combine, you know, combine all these modalities together to create your Being Triad framework? Yeah. Jason Ott (20:11.898) Yes. So first, the being tried is just simply that. I believe one third of our health is mind, one third is body, one third is our spiritual belief, or you could say our spirit, whatever you resonate with. And I would say early on, I didn't think that. In fact, I write about it in my book of my friend who's clinical psychologist and Lyndsay Soprano (20:27.387) Mm-hmm. Jason Ott (20:38.596) He would always be like, man, you really focus a lot on that body. You know, if you just fix the mind, the body can follow, right? And I used to get so mad. like, how do you get heavy metals out? And what about these deficiencies? And he's like, well, I mean, your mind, how do you get those deficiencies? How did you end up in that situation? You're making decisions and feelings and emotion. So we'd go back and forth to where in my head, I was like, well, if I fix the body and I feel better, I'll think better and I will be more open to my spiritual practice. Now that I've lived it, that's not always true. That's what helped me, but I actually started with my spiritual belief, which then helped me have a better mindset, which then enabled me to A, do the things that I needed to for my actual health that I was unwilling to because of lack of love for myself, but then see a future of health better. And so I needed to get that spiritual foundation and my beliefs set first before I even would allow myself to fathom a better life. So around that mindset is now I kind of zoom out and as I'm getting to know somebody, I try to find which section of the being triad is the path of least resistance for that person. Because what I found is no matter where you start, you will have to go into all of them to some degree to get Lyndsay Soprano (21:45.627) Yeah. Jason Ott (22:05.65) the health you want, right? So let's get some momentum. So I first start like that as like, all right, well, where's this person strong? Where do they want to start? And is that a good place? Let's go for it. When that momentum comes and they get a little progress, which whatever that may be for the person, then it's easier to move into the uncomfortable place. Like I don't want to change my food or I don't want to go swimming and do any exercise. My body hurts too bad. Why the hell do I want to go move? You know what I mean? Lyndsay Soprano (22:31.897) Yeah. Yeah. Jason Ott (22:35.294) But if we worked on some other areas first, reframed the thought process behind it, understood the why, all of a sudden you get pulled into doing some things that you never really wanted to do. Because the way I eat now, never in a million years would I have thought I would eat like this, but I was so broke at the time that I was willing to do anything. And I completely changed that. So for me is I want to start there, find common ground and then know It's not necessarily where you start, but it's where you end. So as long as you're willing to go through all parts of the bean triad, you will uncover those. And I would say the last piece is, rarely do you see one separate from each other. So what I mean by this is like, if you got someone who's very, very sick mentally, we don't have the capacity to do the healthy things for ourselves or even think of it that way. Like, drinking enough water, just the simple things. Get to sleep on time, understand that. That doesn't always happen because of where our mind is. And that was very relatable for me. When I was in my worst emotional states, I didn't give a shit about my body. I could care less. And like, even if someone came up and talked to me about it, I don't care. Like, right here wasn't right. So it was like, those things, it's hard to get a level of healing. Lyndsay Soprano (23:48.293) Yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (23:56.804) Right, yeah. Jason Ott (24:02.938) if you're going to be stuck in an emotional state or I don't believe there's anything good that can come, only bad can come. Like that to me is a spiritual belief. So around that is like, feel like you have to chip into each one if you're actually going to achieve what you want to, which in my case is most people are looking to go in remission from cancer, autoimmune. So it's like, yeah, we're going to have to get into the weeds. Lyndsay Soprano (24:27.81) Mm-hmm. Lyndsay Soprano (24:32.109) Yeah, because our bodies are yelling at us and we're like, well, will you just shut up already? You're screaming at me. Because at first, I know with my pain, it was just a subtle little nudge that I was like, I'm good. I got this. I'm good. My right toe went numb. was like, I just need to buy a different pair of shoes. Right? No big deal. And then it was my whole right foot. Then it was my whole left foot. Then it crept up to my knees. And then it's in my hips. And just was like, holy crap. Now it's to the point where you're in a wheelchair 50 % of your life. And you're like, the fuck is going on here? And your body is screaming at you and shouting at you. And I'm like, I feel like I'm doing all the right things, but something is not working. Something is still in this like chaotic place that, and I know so much of it is stress related. I know so much of it is stress related and how in God's name can I take just a beat from stress? How do we do that? And you're saying, we've got to do the trifecta. Jason Ott (25:01.819) Right. Lyndsay Soprano (25:27.491) in order to do it. And I'm like, I feel like I do some really good mind, spirit work. know, I feel, am I great at it? No, but I'm open to all of them. But that's something that is actually fairly new, especially when it comes like energy work. So I opened up my space, my world to, I know that people don't like calling it the woo world, right? But I did. And I have seen some pretty amazing things happening. opening up this one door that I had just been kind of looking at like Alice in Wonderland. I'm like, I'm not sure because I'm going to eat that cookie. And last time I did, I grew into this big tall girl and I couldn't get out of the little room I was in. You know, and but we want to keep eating the cookies and we want to keep going. And then we're wondering why the hell we can't get out of the spot that we're in because we just kept feeding the machine the same way that we were expecting different results is crazy. Jason Ott (26:16.764) Yeah, and I like that you talk so much about the stress of it because I'm stuck in a world that everyone's very focused on just the physical body when there is a huge emotional component to cancer and autoimmune, right? So when we keep only focused on that, like, okay, what's the next supplement? What's the next therapy? I'm like, you've done all that stuff. You're good. You're doing enough. We need to come over here and focus on this section. Lyndsay Soprano (26:27.237) Right. Lyndsay Soprano (26:30.999) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Jason Ott (26:45.938) because it is that powerful and maybe because it's unseen. You got to be in tune. You got to be empathetic. You got to feel that. I don't know what that is, but we get too hyper-focused on one part of that being triad. And it's like, okay, well, what if you're missing, I'm going to get a little sciency. What if you have a gene mutation neurologically that gives you such a cellular deficiency in your nervous system? that no matter what you do, this loop is running until you fix that. So you're doing all the things, your positive affirmations and trying to meditate and got your groups and your reminders and you're just like, why can't I break this loop? Right? Well, that's... Lyndsay Soprano (27:24.433) Yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (27:28.409) Yeah, yeah. I'm setting my intentions damn it every morning when I wake up. Yeah, yeah. Jason Ott (27:33.77) Exactly. So then it's like, well, maybe there's something that's not allowing your body to shift over and use that part of your brain or your body or whatever it may be. That's kind of how I look at using the be and try it though, is like, you can't just keep beating the same thing over and over again, maybe there's actually an explanation for this. And then when you fill that gap in, man, I just made a huge breakthrough with my stress management. Because I addressed this physical body part, you know what I mean? Lyndsay Soprano (28:01.947) Yeah. Jason Ott (28:02.512) it can start to ripple effect. Lyndsay Soprano (28:04.571) Well, and I love that. And one of the things that, you know, I 100 % struggle with is the saying no. I do not say no, ever. I'm always the yes person. And that is part of my stress because at the end of the day, it's now midnight or whatever. And I'm like, okay, I think I'm gonna journal. Like, what the hell are you thinking? I needed to start my day with that. I needed to start with me before I started with everybody else and all the things, the husband, the dog, the job, the blah, blah, blah, blah, you know, it goes on and on and on. And being an empath, as everybody that listens to this show knows, I'm surprised I haven't cried yet, because it's every episode. I feel things at such a heightened level. Not just from a spiritual perspective, just everything makes me cry, everything makes me laugh, everything makes me angry. It's just like all of it all together. I feel like I feel the world on some days. It's crazy. I don't know, I know that that, you were talking about how that does affect our health when you're overly sensitized to everything. What do I do? I mean, I'm just talking to me. There are people that are listening that might feel the same way, but. Jason Ott (29:19.016) Mm-hmm. Lyndsay Soprano (29:21.401) What does Lindsay do when she feels this heightened all of the time? Like, are there any tools that we can do? Because I know that you work with, you weave herbal and integrative and traditional medicine together to help patients that you work with. But like, what does somebody like that, like myself do in those kinds of cases? I'm just putting you on the spot. Congratulations. Jason Ott (29:42.238) No, I like it. It's actually almost easier to talk about this if I have an example. So I would say first is like, I'm empathetic too. I am never my best self if I don't give myself time and it took a long time for me to understand that. Then it took even longer for me to take action on that because I do feel everything and overwhelm comes easy for me. My wife is somebody who Lyndsay Soprano (29:46.789) Good. Lyndsay Soprano (30:01.179) Yeah. Jason Ott (30:10.376) could go out and talk to people all day long and just have a good time. Like, I don't want to do that when the weekend comes. So, I needed to use things like herbals. I needed to use things like L-thionine and GABA and things to calm my body down, because I eventually learned that my nervous system was redlining since I was a child. And that had created massive deficiencies. And it made me get overwhelmed even more. Lyndsay Soprano (30:27.216) Mm-hmm. Jason Ott (30:39.784) So was like, I'm already a sensitive person. I already feel all the feelings and can feel the energy of someone in a room. That's amplified by times 10 due to what happened in my childhood, right? So that's where I feel like tools, like learning to do a five, 10 minute meditation, learning breath work, learning herbs, learning these things to get me just close enough that I have enough belief that I can take that step to make time for myself. Lyndsay Soprano (31:09.851) Hmm. Jason Ott (31:10.93) because I don't think it's necessarily, I'll just take this and that's done, right? Lyndsay Soprano (31:14.993) Right, yeah, which is what we all wanna do. We want the instant gratification, like boom, I'm healed. Ooh. I listened to Lindsay and Jason talking, now I'm good to go. Which I would love for that to happen to you guys, okay? Jason Ott (31:21.168) It was like a build up though. Jason Ott (31:27.742) But it was like a build up because I don't I don't I can't tell you the exact switch that made me finally do what you just said of like I have to start my day with this 10 minutes put the timer on and I need to make sure no matter what I feel no matter what my brain is saying no matter what I got to do that day I have to set this and stick to it so that I can trust myself when I say I'm gonna do something for myself I can't tell you the exact one thing, but I can tell you there was numerous things, numerous events that built me up that I slowly got enough self-confidence to say, I'm gonna do this. And it's important enough that I tell my wife, my family, people at work, everything that like, I have to, else you're gonna get a really shitty version of me. Or not the best version of me. Lyndsay Soprano (32:21.092) I'm sticking with really shitty version of me on this side of the mic. Because it's true. immediately am like, if I don't do, because I started doing like my swim in the morning, I started doing, I'm this is, I'm carving out this time for me. And if I miss it, I can totally tell the difference in how I feel, how I respond to people, how I respond to myself, how I respond to the dogs barking at a construction freaking person that's walking in the front door for the 800,000th time, you know, and going, Jason Ott (32:25.287) Yeah! Lyndsay Soprano (32:50.065) But if I do that, it's like I'm like Miss Bliss. And it at least sets the stage for a better day for me and those that are around me. Jason Ott (32:58.972) Yeah, yeah. And I can still get stressed out and have all the things happen right. But I guess, yes, it's just that initial thing. Like I know I should do this and want to do this. And not because I expect perfection or that it's going to solve all the problems, but it does make for a better day. It did take me speaking and going and talking to different therapists and doing energy work. Lyndsay Soprano (33:01.457) Totally, yeah. Jason Ott (33:27.578) and moving myself in a position where I could accept that truth that like, dude, you're brought up as a caretaker, you will say no to yourself a million times before you say, you know what I mean? So Lyndsay Soprano (33:37.275) my gosh. I do. Like, I just got chills. I'm like, ugh, I was brought up to be a caretaker. I just never have taken care of me. Totally fat shit. Jason Ott (33:44.561) into in that crazy. That's the craziest part. Yeah. And so like, someone had to say that to me and kind of got gut punch me up like, really? And the same thing I was so upset about seeing my mom play out and her sickness and that they're like, well, if you stay on this path, you're going to become the sick parent to your kids. You know, it was like, but thank you to that professional who got punched me. Lyndsay Soprano (33:53.553) Yeah. Yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (34:09.329) Yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (34:14.403) Yeah, yeah, Sure. Jason Ott (34:14.854) got my attention, right? So it's like, feel like I've needed some of that because I'm hard headed to find the right person and interview the right professional to help you out. But I needed that. Lyndsay Soprano (34:29.103) And I'm glad that you said interview the professional because guys, the doctors, we're their clients. We are the ones that are paying their bills and paying their mortgage. We are. And our healthcare system is incredibly challenged to navigate as we all know. For those that have lived in chronic illness and chronic pain, my God, we see more damn doctors and more needles and poking and surgeries. I mean, it's just like, it's like the gamut of scars that are all over my body from people trying to make me feel better by going to the doctor. and navigating all of that, I gave up. I just said, I'm like done with actual Western medicine for a while. And I did that like two years ago. And I'm just now starting to kind of go, all right, I've been at a baseline for a certain amount of time. I cut out this, I cut out that, I didn't do this. And like, not, no gluten and no dairy. And I, do all the things and I still feel the same, if not worse. And I'm just like, this is so fuck straighting. It's just like, what the hell? How do we navigate? our healthcare system in a less stressful way? And that is a loaded question, I know. Jason Ott (35:35.878) Yeah, well, I mean, that's essentially why I wrote the book was to try to help people frame their mind up around it. And I think the first part is what you just said is you can interview and tell these people to piss off. So we do that in every other profession. Getting my mechanic going to restaurants, that's a crappy restaurant. I want to go back, we're. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like. Lyndsay Soprano (35:40.624) Yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (35:50.523) That's right. Yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (35:55.036) Mm-hmm. Lyndsay Soprano (36:00.497) going on Yelp. Jason Ott (36:04.508) That's whole different thing when you say, you know, I'm going to interview. And so what I talk about in the book is first, you got to know who you can interview so that there is Western, but there is lifestyle medicine and there's functional and alternative. So getting different perspectives around it. I didn't know that when I was first trying to navigate all this. Same with mental health. I. Lyndsay Soprano (36:14.232) Mmm. Lyndsay Soprano (36:19.931) Yes. Lyndsay Soprano (36:26.961) Hmm. Jason Ott (36:31.908) Not that anyone is less intelligent because of going to therapy because clearly I've done it, but I would tell myself that of like, I don't need to talk to you about this. I know what the problem is. I lived it. I just need to go make the change. But then yet the repeat happens. So yeah. So then when I found like EMDR or some different forms of therapy that were more getting at the root of what I did not know consciously, that was what changed for me. But for Lyndsay Soprano (36:47.255) Right, I got this. Jason Ott (37:02.014) 15 years, I didn't even know that existed. So why and who and how am I going to go interview somebody if I didn't even know it's an option? So I think the first part, you got to try your best to find a way to educate across all your options and then pursue them. And if that means even going into a different state or doing something where it's virtual, shoot, even out of the country, plenty of people leave the country to find the answers they need. Then Lyndsay Soprano (37:04.347) Wow. Lyndsay Soprano (37:09.809) Sure. Jason Ott (37:31.88) If you're willing to do it, do it. But I think that's the first part is like education on the big picture. So then I can pick and choose what makes sense for me and then take action on that. Cause we all have a different set of circumstances, time, money, energy, and then what we can be consistent at. Lyndsay Soprano (37:52.121) Yeah, because for sure, none of us are the same. We're all just a bunch of snowflakes, right? Lyndsay Soprano (37:59.419) that's just no fix we are this generation. But yeah, I mean, we are all so incredibly different and we're all made up of different, of this matter. you know, I don't even know if this is really, if we're actually human forms anymore at this point, working in energy work, I feel like I'm just a beam of light whole day long. But when you're going after, I mean, we all sit in front of the computer and we research and we're up at night, we're sending each other articles and people in each other's sphere. Like for me, I'm in a group that's a of CRPS warriors, right? And so we're always sending each other like, have you tried this doctor? Have you tried this method? Have you done this? Let me know how that works out. This completely failed. Don't go to that doctor. I mean, it is like constant all the time. That in of itself is stressful. And then you go and you see quote unquote a CRPS specialist that's on their website. You go in, I have an exact example with this. There was a guy in Los Angeles, because I'm in Los Angeles and his website said a CRPS specialist. Da da da, I went into him, he goes, I don't even know what CRPS is. huh, he started poking my legs with toothpicks. I shit you not. And I literally walked out the door and I was so mad and because his website had this whole entire blurb about how he was a specialist in CRPS and didn't know one thing about it. Jason Ott (38:59.816) Shut up. Lyndsay Soprano (39:18.393) And so these are the things that we face in healthcare. I mean, you're talking about people that have been on disability, our workroom with workers comp that adds all kinds of stress. have a gal that's coming on my show who just won a battle after 11 years with a doctor trying to get money back from this guy. I mean, it's just been nuts. And so you add all of that together, people are like, I don't wanna do this anymore. I wanna go alternative paths. wanna approach my body from a different, from a holistic, your triad makes so much sense. Jason Ott (39:41.793) huh. Lyndsay Soprano (39:46.619) But it's such a simple concept at the same time, like, duh, mind, body, spirit, like, wha, of course it would be that. But the spirit part's really hard for some people to get into, you know? The body part's sometimes hard, because they don't want to get off their couch. I mean, you can go on and on with all the excuses that we have. But I'm done with making excuses for why I don't want to do something, you know? Like, I don't want to drink Prosecco anymore. Yes, I do. Don't you dare take that one thing away from me, damn it, because I've given up everything else. But it feels like we have to give up our entire life, who we are, where we came from, who we want to be in order to get healthy. And I just don't believe that. I just believe that we have to reframe where we've come from, where we are now, where we want to go and do it in a much more balanced way. Because like you said, you've got the guys at the gym that are just like, you know, you're like, ew. Do you do anything else but this? They're drinking down their shakes and they're taking all their supplements and what have you. And they have absolutely no idea what's going on with any other part of their body and their mind and their soul. Yeah, yeah. I wish you guys could see his face right now. Yeah. Jason Ott (40:49.47) No, no, because I would say that's yeah, well, no, because I was like, that's how I feel like I first cope is like, I'm just going to go work out hard and beat the crap out of myself and shut my mind off. And it was like, so disconnected from myself emotionally. 100%. So I kind of look at it like two buckets. We have our home base bucket of things that Lyndsay Soprano (41:00.865) Yup. Yup. Jason Ott (41:16.606) I try my best to write it in the book as this is non-negotiable across all belief systems. When it comes to, I'm gonna say food specifically or that part of wellness. Do we all need to be hydrated? So we can agree on that, right? We gotta try to make sleep a priority, whether we're good at it or not or why we can't get to sleep. That is a list of reasons for different people, right? Nourishment, we need Lyndsay Soprano (41:23.675) He Lyndsay Soprano (41:30.95) Yes. Yes, we can. Lyndsay Soprano (41:42.437) Yes. Jason Ott (41:45.574) In today's age, we need nourishment, enough of it, but that doesn't mean we're absorbing. So like, do you have all the resources that the body needs? Whether you're a carnivore person, a plant person, a whatever person, you need those nutrients that make your organs work right. I would even say oxygen, like breathing wise, most of us have jacked up respiratory systems. So over time, our respiratory system... Lyndsay Soprano (42:04.209) Mm-hmm. Jason Ott (42:15.344) drives our flight or fight or arrest and digest in general. So if we can work on those areas and maximize, those are home based that'll never change. Then you can go bio individual. Okay, who do I need an actual CRPS specialist? Lyndsay Soprano (42:32.882) Not something their website claims it was unbelievable Jason Ott (42:37.924) Yeah. And so it's like, we can at least check some of these buckets and then move on and never have to think of it again. And so that's how I try to build it out is like, if you can get some of those habits where you're like, I know I'm not dehydrated. This is my routine. I've done it for the last five years, blah, blah, blah. Or I do the best I can sleep. You can start to move on and then only seek the people for your bio individual needs for your condition, whether it was me, a lot of emotional work, a lot of trauma resolution. still working on that stuff, which continues to get me physical body healing too. But I feel like don't forget about this home base because I meet a lot of people that the new belief system or the new doctor comes in and they scrap everything. And it's like you just constantly restart over when you really could have kept 80 % of that and just tweet based on what you learned. Now, that's easy for me to say because I understand it all. Lyndsay Soprano (43:26.854) Yes. Jason Ott (43:37.683) But. Lyndsay Soprano (43:38.203) He knows all, everybody. These are the kind of guests that I bring to you. Jason Ott (43:41.022) Not all, but as far as being able to say, I don't think that professional is going to get you those answers, you should go find this one, right? So it's like, I've taken that time to look into them. But that's a whole education thing. know, like, what area do doctors not help us in, in just Western medicine? Like we can't, exactly. So we don't want to come over. Lyndsay Soprano (43:48.279) Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (44:04.143) A lot, actually. Never ask you about how you're eating. Never, never, ever, ever. Right, yep. Jason Ott (44:11.152) Never. So I'm not even going to expect it. Do my blood draw. Tell me what medications you want me to take. I'll decide if I want to. Bye. Lyndsay Soprano (44:19.065) I do the research and go, why the hell would I take any of these? Thank you very much for my copay. And wasting my time. Yeah. Jason Ott (44:26.878) So great at diagnostic, not good at healing, essentially. So it's like positioning for what they are, what they can give you and what they can't give you. And that is a process, it's not fast. But I do think that is a foundation every person should do. So we're not misplacing our anger on somebody that could have never helped us in that area to begin with. Lyndsay Soprano (44:30.383) Yes, correct. Lyndsay Soprano (44:51.409) That's well said because it's true. do hold on to these like, obviously I'm still holding on to this CRPS doctor story. I haven't even talked about it for like eight years. Jason Ott (45:01.96) I mean, that's frustrating. That's messed up. That's malpractice. Lyndsay Soprano (45:04.109) It's totally messed up. absolutely is. I just, remember him coming out with toothpicks and I went home and I was like, I literally had a dude poking me in the legs with toothpicks, honey. He's like, what? I'm like, yeah, it was not a great day. And I was so excited about it, right? Cause I'd found this CRPS specialist, know, and I was still new. know, medical trauma is insane. What we go through and they, we get the, it's all in your head. Women get that a lot. Jason Ott (45:20.488) That's trauma in itself. Lyndsay Soprano (45:31.287) And that's really fuck straighting, because you're like, excuse me, I'm sorry, why would I be sitting in a wheelchair right now? I'm not doing this because I want to. Jason Ott (45:39.87) Right. And I always go to whether it's one, which is not one, it's it's hundreds and thousands of people and women that have went through that. But like, who wakes up and says, I'm going to go waste a bunch of time and money today, lying about how I feel. Lyndsay Soprano (45:51.279) Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a, there's probably a very small percentage of people that make shit up. Very small, very small, yeah. It's total bullshit and thank you for saying that because it is and we get pushed around and I don't think that it's just women that experience it now. We certainly, I can say collectively speaking that every woman in my life has had that said to them. Jason Ott (45:59.058) But majority don't, so to say it's in your head is bullshit. Lyndsay Soprano (46:14.875) But I think men are also starting to feel that too. Especially when you're starting to dig into deep stuff like emotions. Men, my gosh, you guys aren't supposed to be emotional. That's just for women. Yeah, I'm sorry, my sweetie is far more emotional than I am and I am an emotional bucket. He is, he's the first one. If he was here right now, he would completely agree with this sentiment because it's true and it is what it is. And so dealing with emotions when you have two emotional people. Jason Ott (46:24.414) That's true. Lyndsay Soprano (46:42.917) that are, he's different emotional than I am. But it's challenging for his health as well. It's challenging for my health because we're both trying to like, okay, well she's emotional like this and he's emotional like that. And I literally have a sticky note on my desk that says, do not remind him, do not say I already said it. Jason Ott (46:45.275) Yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (47:04.025) Mr. Sensitive. Jason Ott (47:04.168) So justify or explain what you... Yeah, I like it! That's awesome! Lyndsay Soprano (47:10.289) I literally held it up because I have this on my desk. So I'm like, just take a breath because he's going to get emotional about it. Remind yourself that, know, it's so it's like, it's just, it's something that we do from a coping mechanism within our communication skills. It's something that we've been working on. So I'm trying to be better about not being like, I already told you that I already said that I already did that. Don't you remember that? You know, I'm like, and that's beating that he's been beaten up by me doing that. And I had no idea I was doing it. And so we had this like breakthrough like two weeks ago. And so now I've got these little sticky notes to remind myself to not do those things right now. Jason Ott (47:43.538) which I really like and people can make little silly jokes about, but okay, I made this joke to my wife about is there such a thing about making positive trauma? I know that seemed like an oxymoron, but program yourself the way you were programmed before in a negative way. And so like I use a lot of that where I have this thing in my car that's a reminder on the back of my home screen of my phone is a reminder. Lyndsay Soprano (47:58.033) Totally. Jason Ott (48:12.584) But for those things that I am not conscious about, that I know are hurting someone I love, I need that reminder until it becomes a programmed habit. Lyndsay Soprano (48:17.03) Mm-hmm. Lyndsay Soprano (48:22.104) Absolutely. Yeah. Jason Ott (48:23.934) But I don't think we give that enough respect on how powerful that can be if you take it 30 days at a time trying to reprogram some of that stuff. Lyndsay Soprano (48:30.331) Yeah, because we don't want our loved ones to be walking on eggshells around us. That's horrible. And when you start getting into those places, he's like, well, I feel like this is happening when you do this. And I'm like, my God, I didn't even know I was doing that. Like, ew, that's gross. Let's work on that. And that's been very helpful. It's just been such a simple little tool that I have on three by five cards, you know? I'm like, where are your three by five cards, by the way, buddy? Jason Ott (48:44.018) I know. Jason Ott (48:54.718) You're right. I like it. Lyndsay Soprano (48:58.481) see any stickies on your desk. No, but once we start, it's almost like riding a bike, right? Once you start doing it, it's automatic. You can ride a bike, you're good. so hopefully some of these things that we're trying to do, I know we're kind of going off track a little bit here, but it comes back to the same thing as understanding and communicating effectively with the people that we love in stressful environments so we can de-stress within those. and help with the overwhelm and help with our communication, which will lower our stress, which should lower our anxiety, which should lower our pain, which should help us want to be spending more time doing healthier things for ourselves. let's post it. Now, that's what it is. That's where it starts. Just post it. That's it. Yeah. Jason Ott (49:36.968) Bingo. Bingo. It is. And so like, as long as it makes sense to you, and you can stay with it, do it. Like if it's transforming, because that's the one thing is like, I feel like every week I'm still learning and seeing new ways people do it, because I'm meeting new people. And they're like, hey, I've been doing this. And I'm like, wow, that's really profound. I would have never thought of that. But thank you for sharing, you know? Like, but you have to be intentional. Lyndsay Soprano (49:43.727) Mm-hmm. Lyndsay Soprano (49:55.921) That's right. Lyndsay Soprano (50:01.381) Mm-hmm. Yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (50:07.407) Yes, absolutely. have my Insight Timer app on my phone. And then you add like a little widget. I am not an Android person, so I cannot speak to Android. But for my iPhone, and I'm sorry if you are, I still want you to listen to the show. That's right, Jason. It is part of the questionnaire. you do not have, no, I'm kidding. So my intention this morning was love my body. so I woke up and I had... Jason Ott (50:21.02) Nope, I'm iPhone. Jason Ott (50:26.801) Hahaha Lyndsay Soprano (50:33.489) There was no reason why I made it. It just kind of was like, it just came out. I wake up, it was the first thing I did before I did anything now. As I wake up, I grab my phone and it set the widget on front of my phone says, set your intention. So it's right there at me and we look at our phone 350,000 times a day. So all day long, I say today, I will love my body. And as soon as we're done here, I missed my swim this morning. So as soon as we're done, I'm hopping in the pool, cause I gotta love my body. Jason Ott (50:45.841) Mm. Jason Ott (50:49.16) Yep. Lyndsay Soprano (51:00.047) And if I don't love my body, then what the hell else is my day gonna be like? It's gonna be terrible. Yeah. Jason Ott (51:04.54) Yeah, yeah, and using the tool that so many people blast because of the connectivity of a phone, you can use that tool for good too. Lyndsay Soprano (51:13.913) Yeah. Amen. Especially when it comes to meditation and guided meditation and music, getting the bathtub and soaking some magnesium and turn on some harp music. It's amazing. know, just give yourself 15 minutes. We always say, don't have time. Give me a fucking break. You do. You have 15 minutes. You do. You have 15 minutes to, you have three hours to binge a show on Netflix. Okay. You got 15 minutes to sit in the bathtub and listen to some harp music. I'm just saying. Jason Ott (51:42.694) Yeah, yeah, well, like in getting real with yourself on that, whether it's mind, body or spirit, like a time audit, very quickly you realize how much time you waste on things. But it's like wanting to have that level of, I'm gonna say vulnerability with your own self, see that is what opens the door for all this. So it's like, it's starting that. Lyndsay Soprano (51:50.416) Yeah. Lyndsay Soprano (51:54.693) Hmm Lyndsay Soprano (52:10.895) Damn, we're not gonna judge you if you're doing it. We're gonna be stoked that you're doing it. Everybody take a beat. Just pause for a second for yourselves. I'm speaking to myself as well while I am saying these things. Yeah, yeah. Jason Ott (52:11.006) Starting it. Jason Ott (52:23.172) Absolutely we are. But it's like that needs to become normal again. Because I think we are living in the generation where we got all the phones, we got all this stuff. I mean, I don't know about you, but I still do remember when you had to leave a message on an answering machine and someone had to call you back. So I think we are in the middle of learning the real impact of this. And we are going to start to move into everyone getting on board with this intentional Lyndsay Soprano (52:28.495) Mm-hmm. Lyndsay Soprano (52:40.241) Of I do. Yeah. Jason Ott (52:53.544) Figure yourself out time. Lyndsay Soprano (52:55.313) Also, it just as a side note, please don't leave me voicemail messages because I don't listen to them. My voicemail message actually says, please don't leave a voicemail, I will not listen to it because I don't listen to them. So if people leave them, like, you're not even paying attention. Mostly spam calls at this point. But I literally, because I'm not going to listen to them. And I taught my sweetie, I'm like, honey, no one's listening to your voicemail messages. I'm sorry. Jason Ott (53:00.306) Hahaha Jason Ott (53:05.488) I love that. Just shoot me a text. Lyndsay Soprano (53:21.893) Hey Bob, call me back. That's what a missed call is, calling back. That's it. You don't even leave a voicemail about it. Jason Ott (53:28.926) I agree there. I agree. Most of the time now if I call and someone doesn't answer, I actually don't know the last time I've left a voicemail. I'll just be like, hey, this is why. Two to quick text, sir. Lyndsay Soprano (53:31.298) my gosh. Lyndsay Soprano (53:38.863) Yeah, yeah, that's it. That's all we need. I don't need any more of that. Enough of that. I know we kind of digressed about it, but it's true, because that's a time sucker. I don't need that baloney. Okay, so real quick, before we leave, do you have a favorite healing story that reminds you of why this work matters? Jason Ott (54:00.702) Ooh, yeah, I got a couple that are coming to mind right now. Can you tell me cancer or autoimmune? Lyndsay Soprano (54:10.169) Autoimmune. Jason Ott (54:13.918) So yes, I'm gonna pick in this, this client reframed how important it is to accept who you are, where you're at, no matter what, because you don't know what the future holds. And this was around the time when my friend was, know, hey, the mind's more powerful than the body, so you need to get that line. I'm like, whatever, just eat this way, you'll be fine. Lyndsay Soprano (54:15.032) Okay. Jason Ott (54:43.838) But she got married. She had lupus. She got married. Her husband knew right off the bat, hey, we won't ever have kids. My lupus is so bad. I got multiple kinds. It is starting to attack my organs. Okay. She had it for 10 years. and just so happened that she was working out at a place, that my sister was at and I was doing a seminar and she just threw it out there. Like, Hey, I know you probably got a million people that say, go talk to this person, but. Lyndsay Soprano (55:05.679) Hmm. Jason Ott (55:13.916) maybe this will help you. And so she shared my information because I had a book out that was talking about lupus. The acceptance and happiness they had with their current situation is why I think she went in remission. And then they did have a baby. Lyndsay Soprano (55:32.24) Wow. my gosh, I love that. Jason Ott (55:37.178) over 10 years later. So it was, she made the changes, but when I met her, I felt like emotionally, she had done so much work. She had done therapy, she had resolved, she had connected dots, became self-aware. She did have a faith about her situation and her life and a belief around that. So I felt like two thirds of her being triad were right there. I found some areas nutritionally that I was like, hey, I think this could really help you. here's why and trying to explain it. And she was like, well, sure, why not? I mean, what do I got to lose? Literally, it's just food. It was about seven months later. She texts me and was like, I don't know if something's wrong, but I got a negative on my blood work for the lupus. My ANA marker was different. And my she was like, my rheumatologist like, no, no, this isn't going on. And so she's like, Lyndsay Soprano (56:25.264) Whoa. Jason Ott (56:35.014) We don't know, we're gonna test it again in couple months, but it's been 10 years, this never happened. Couple months later, same thing. And she's like, is this real? I'm like, well, according to this doctor, it is because she's done it for herself and all these people and now you're doing it, so I'd have to say, yeah. So her doctor was like, look, I'll allow you to try to have a baby if you can maintain this for the next year. Maintained it for the next year. Pregnant and I think their kid's four or five years old. Lyndsay Soprano (57:04.299) I love this story. Jason Ott (57:04.476) Maybe a little bit older now, COVID kind of messed it up. But that changed because I was like that level of acceptance when you have already was like, we won't have kids, this won't happen. I've good chance I'm not going to make it very long. And they were happy. They're happy and they're in love. And so that changed the way I looked at it. Like, okay, we can get there. Our mindset can get there. We don't have to have the physical be our limitation to have that. Lyndsay Soprano (57:18.895) Yeah. I love this. Jason Ott (57:34.936) safety in our emotions, so to speak. And in my brain, that's not how I thought at the time. I felt like I couldn't be safe in my mind until my body was a certain way. Lyndsay Soprano (57:44.901) Yes, I understand that. It is crazy. Jason Ott (57:47.194) It's crazy. So it's like it completely reframed my thought and that is when I was like, all right, start wherever you're at, man. If you got to get your mind right for five years before the do it because you don't know what the future holds. You don't know who you're going to meet. You don't know a lot of things. But if you take that action and take that forward. Lyndsay Soprano (57:54.289) I love it. Jason Ott (58:09.758) giving yourself a chance for amazing things to happen. Lyndsay Soprano (58:14.081) Jason, I just love that story. Well, I've loved this entire episode. Actually, this has been fun with you. I knew it was going to be though. I was so pumped after our meeting, I was like, yeah, he's going to be a Lindsay fine. Jason Ott (58:20.857) Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. Jason Ott (58:26.872) Hahaha! Lyndsay Soprano (58:29.293) This has been great. Before we hit the dusty trails, is there anything that you want to leave us with before we hit? Well, I already said before we hit the dusty trail. Besides all of the incredibly wonderful things that you've already said. Jason Ott (58:41.256) Don't talk yourself out of what you don't know. So you don't know what tomorrow's gonna hold, good or bad. I would just give yourself the grace, try to move forward with what you do have and be focused on that and be open to the people that come into your life. With that being said, advocate for yourself. Tell people no, interview them. Like to your point, I've seen too many people get wrecked because if some doctor said something to them that this is going to happen in this is a mere life and completely sunk them mentally. guard your mind, but be open. Lyndsay Soprano (59:27.451) That's well said. Don't talk yourself out of things you don't know. I love that a lot. Very well said. We've had a lot of zingers on this show, by the way. Mr. Zinger here. Well, thank you again. It's been absolutely a wonderful time with you here today. And I know I'm going to be speaking with you after this episode for sure, because you're now in my, you're in my buddy tank, which is a fun place to be. Jason Ott (59:35.675) Well good, good. This was a great conversation. Lyndsay Soprano (59:50.717) my gosh, well, we are gonna put all this in social and in show notes, but you can find him at empoweredprevention.com. That's pretty much where he's at on Facebook, on Insta, he's on YouTube, he's on LinkedIn. His book is called No Cure, No Problem, The Art of Healing. I will have all of that for you whenever you guys listen to this episode, wherever it is. Thank you again so much for your time with me, Jace. It's been wonderful. Jason Ott (01:00:13.97) Yes, you too, Lindsay. Very nice to meet you and thank you for having me. Lyndsay Soprano (01:00:17.237) You got it. You are exclusively invited to share this start wherever you're at. Being Triad, VIP pain journey together. 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