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The Twins' big Pablo López question for 2027 · Twin Cities Territory

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  Speaker 1: Is this right? Is there only one unbeaten team left
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL?
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  Speaker 2: Is that true?
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  Speaker 1: Is that right, Dan? The 49ers lost?
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  Speaker 2: I haven't seen. Wow.
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  Speaker 3: I wasn't there to watch it happen in Atlanta either.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Twin Cities Territory. I blindsided Dan with that one. But,
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  Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you got to pull out the big
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  Speaker 1: guns there. But we– A decent amount to talk about today,
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  Speaker 1: despite it being a long Twins offseason. Pablo Lopez talks
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  Speaker 1: about spending his offseason getting ready for next season. We
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  Speaker 1: talk about what the Twins have riding on that. Big
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  Speaker 1: question mark. Jeff Hoffman underwent surgery this week as well,
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  Speaker 1: and a little late on this, but last week, former
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  Speaker 1: twin Mitch Garver retired. We'll talk about all of that
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  Speaker 1: and more today on the show. Zach Pierce and Dan Hayes,
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  Speaker 1: love the athletic, along with Tyler Duffy, longtime major league
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  Speaker 1: start with Pablo Lopez today, but real quick before we
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  Speaker 1: get there, we are recording this on Wednesday. You are
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  Speaker 1: watching or listening to it on Thursday. which means there
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  Speaker 1: was a World Series game between this very moment that
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  Speaker 1: we're talking and when you're listening to it. So we're
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  Speaker 1: going to not talk about the series just because obviously
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  Speaker 1: the conversation... Congrats.
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  Speaker 2: To the Brewers.
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  Speaker 1: Congrats to the Brewers or maybe back to Milwaukee we
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  Speaker 1: go where the get-in price I'm sure will be roughly
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  Speaker 1: $ 10, 000 if it gets to that point. But we will
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  Speaker 1: give our final thoughts on the World Series maybe on
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  Speaker 1: Monday as well as tee up what should be an
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  Speaker 1: eventful month for the Twins. But we're talking about Pablo
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  Speaker 1: today because Dan had an article just yesterday on The
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  Speaker 1: Athletic about his offseason. As we mentioned last week, he
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  Speaker 1: was a nominee for the Marvin Miller Man of the
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  Speaker 1: Year Award. We found out this morning he did not
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  Speaker 1: get that honor. But the article is mostly about his
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  Speaker 1: efforts to get back from his elbow surgery that kept
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  Speaker 1: him out all of this season. You see a quote
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  Speaker 1: there on the screen if you're watching from Twins GM
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  Speaker 1: Jeremy Zoll saying we'll have a sense of exactly where
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  Speaker 1: he's at come spring training. But we're expecting him to
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  Speaker 1: be full go for the season. Dan, this is usually
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  Speaker 1: a time of year when players are trying to get
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of rest, but that's not the case
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  Speaker 1: for Pablo.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he went home immediately right after the season ended.
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  Speaker 3: Pardon me.
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  Speaker 4: He left before the season ended, like maybe on the
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  Speaker 4: Friday of the final weekend. And the reason was that
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  Speaker 4: he was in the middle of his throwing program. and
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  Speaker 4: needed to be able to throw Monday. And so he
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  Speaker 4: drove home, I believe, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, back to Miami
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  Speaker 4: from Minnesota in order to be able to get up
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  Speaker 4: and throw and participate in his throwing program. And he
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  Speaker 4: said it like, typically when the season ends, he usually
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  Speaker 4: takes about three weeks off and you can get a
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  Speaker 4: little out of shape in that time. And he wasn't
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  Speaker 4: going to be able to do that because he just
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  Speaker 4: needed to keep going with his throwing program. The idea
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  Speaker 4: is if it all is on progress or keeps tracking
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  Speaker 4: in the right way, that he would throw and be
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  Speaker 4: ready to throw off a mound about three to three
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  Speaker 4: and a half weeks into November.
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  Speaker 3: His surgery was February 25th.
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  Speaker 4: His first game of catch was August 21. And so
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  Speaker 4: the three-month mark from August 21 is November 21.
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  Speaker 3: So that's where he is.
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  Speaker 4: He right now currently is playing catch and doing all
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  Speaker 4: the things, long toss, doing everything to build up his
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  Speaker 4: arm strength so that he can get on the mound.
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  Speaker 4: And then he will throw on the mound for as
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  Speaker 4: part of his rehab for three months, which would then
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  Speaker 4: put him to the end of January.
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  Speaker 3: Um, and so like he is in.
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  Speaker 4: The middle of this 12 month program and going at
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  Speaker 4: it and enjoying it. Um, remember when he had this
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  Speaker 4: Tommy John, this was his second Tommy John. He had
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  Speaker 4: the internal brace. Um, that's why it's the 12 month
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  Speaker 4: version versus a longer version. There was only a, I
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  Speaker 4: believe a partial tear of his UCL at the time.
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  Speaker 4: which allowed them to use original parts of it and
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  Speaker 4: just use the internal brace, which is probably in the
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  Speaker 4: last seven to eight years that has come along. I
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  Speaker 4: know Rich Hill used it in his offseason and was
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  Speaker 4: one of the first guys. So Pablo's going through this,
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  Speaker 4: and it's been a long process, but you could tell
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  Speaker 4: when we talked to him last how excited he was.
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  Speaker 3: To be where he was. He said, I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: throw a lot of baseballs this offseason.
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  Speaker 4: And that's not typical for him, but it's all in
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  Speaker 4: an effort to be ready for next season.
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  Speaker 1: Tyler, you've been around players going through this. It's just
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  Speaker 1: such a long timeline. How do you keep yourself on it? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's grueling.
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  Speaker 2: The guys I've felt the worst for were guys who
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  Speaker 2: would have it in the minors. And you basically spend–
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  Speaker 2: 18 months of your life in Fort Myers, which at
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  Speaker 2: point guys started calling it Fort misery because it was,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you're up early, you go do your rehab,
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  Speaker 2: you work out, you know, you do your 800 throws
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  Speaker 2: for the day, whatever it is. And then you sit
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  Speaker 2: and wait for the next morning to come. And it's,
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  Speaker 2: it's trying times. And that's why he took full advantage
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  Speaker 2: of this season. He wanted to be around. He wanted
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  Speaker 2: to be present one to be a good teammate, which
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  Speaker 2: I think is, it says a lot about him, but two,
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  Speaker 2: it's a mental challenge. side of that grind that guys,
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  Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of them, they come out different,
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  Speaker 2: you know, just because they've, you know, changed their outlooks
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  Speaker 2: on life. You know, you start reading, you start doing
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  Speaker 2: all sorts of crazy things. I mean, you're just, you're
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  Speaker 2: in Groundhog Day for a long time. And it is, it's,
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  Speaker 2: it's a long grueling process. And luckily, you know, this
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  Speaker 2: is a streamlined version of it. But at the same point, he's,
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  Speaker 2: he's going to be working all this year He's going
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  Speaker 2: to go into the spring, hopefully be ready once that
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  Speaker 2: time comes, and then there's no real break. So he's
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  Speaker 2: going to go straight for well over a year and
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  Speaker 2: a half of just ripping baseballs, and it's always an
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  Speaker 2: interesting one at the halfway point. I know they figure
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  Speaker 2: out how to tailor the innings to make sure guys
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  Speaker 2: are healthy and recovering, but getting there is half the battle,
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  Speaker 2: and then rolling straight into a full season afterwards is
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  Speaker 2: going to be the big question mark. you know, how
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  Speaker 2: they work that, whether they go six man to start
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  Speaker 2: the year, whatever there's teams have found unique ways to,
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  Speaker 2: to navigate it, but it's, you know, good on him.
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  Speaker 2: He he's made the most of this season and, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it was in the mix for the Marvin Miller award
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  Speaker 2: and all these great things he's done Clemente, I think
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  Speaker 2: as well. You know, he's, he's doing everything right. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a guy like him, we know he's doing it,
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  Speaker 2: you know, to the best of his ability. So I've,
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  Speaker 2: I've no doubt he'll be ready to rock whenever the
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  Speaker 2: season ultimately does start.
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  Speaker 1: I like the reading was the, first example of a
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  Speaker 1: crazy thing to do with your spare time.
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  Speaker 2: Well, because dude, it's like, like when they opened that
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  Speaker 2: complex down there, it was like the wifi, you, you
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  Speaker 2: couldn't even open like some like shopping stuff. Like your,
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  Speaker 2: your internet's blocked, your TV channels are limited. And then
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  Speaker 2: it's like, what do I do in this solitary confinement
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  Speaker 2: for the next 18 months? So it's a, yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: something guys think of fishing, you know, you can only
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  Speaker 2: go to the beach so many times before that's the
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  Speaker 2: same thing.
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  Speaker 3: It's just, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Fort Misery is the nickname it received from a few guys.
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  Speaker 3: And his rehab is different. So obviously this is his
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  Speaker 3: second one.
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  Speaker 4: And he talked about the timeline difference because he had
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  Speaker 4: this in 2013 going into 2014 when he was in
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  Speaker 4: the minors. And his cleanup or the 12-month process or
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  Speaker 4: whatever it was ended in like August. And he had
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  Speaker 4: the off-season to rest. Or maybe it ended in November.
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  Speaker 4: Whereas he's going to end in January 25th. his 12 months, um,
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  Speaker 4: last time it ended in November and he had a
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  Speaker 4: normal off season to kind of prepare for the season.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that helped him a ton. Um, and
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  Speaker 4: he said, he's going to have to be aware and, and,
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  Speaker 4: you know, paying attention to his body and know what
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  Speaker 4: is good and what workloads aren't working and be, you know,
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  Speaker 4: communicative with the training staff. Now that's one advantage he
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  Speaker 4: will definitely have. And this is a guy who A,
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  Speaker 4: understands his body, knows what's working, what's not, is alert
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  Speaker 4: to things. We've seen it when he's come back from
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  Speaker 4: hamstring injuries, knowing where he could push it and where
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  Speaker 4: he couldn't, and being able to express that to the
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  Speaker 4: training staff. So this is somebody that 100% is dialed
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  Speaker 4: in on that aspect, but it's still a very tricky
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  Speaker 4: part of this because, like you said, he'll be ripping
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  Speaker 4: pitches for.
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  Speaker 3: 18 months at that point. He will start.
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  Speaker 4: He started throwing in August, just ramp up slowly, 50 feet,
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  Speaker 4: then 75 feet, then 90 feet, then.
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  Speaker 3: Go all the way to long toss.
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  Speaker 4: But the buildup is grueling and physically taxing, even though
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  Speaker 4: guys love it because they're finally doing stuff. And then
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  Speaker 4: to do three months of a throwing program to get
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  Speaker 4: yourself ready for the season. But just there's no let up.
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  Speaker 4: At that point, he will be throwing pitches in spring training.
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  Speaker 4: And that is definitely– uh, part of the, what makes
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  Speaker 4: this a challenging, like it's, you can't expect 2023 Pablo.
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  Speaker 4: You shouldn't expect 2023 Pablo. Just, you never know the guy,
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  Speaker 4: the guy's amazing and I wouldn't put it past him,
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  Speaker 4: but it's not like you can mark down. We're going
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  Speaker 4: to have 14 and eight with the three, seven ERA
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  Speaker 4: and 200 strikeouts and 180 innings.
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  Speaker 3: You don't know what you're gonna get.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The, uh, the history of guys who've had to tell
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  Speaker 1: me John's is very mixed. Uh, Fangraphs did a story
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  Speaker 1: in 2023 that had numbers that I couldn't begin to comprehend,
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  Speaker 1: but there was an English phrase that I did understand,
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  Speaker 1: which was that they found no observable trend correlation between
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  Speaker 1: worse performance, better performance. Some guys have been great. Nathan
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  Speaker 1: Eovaldi is a recent name that comes to mind. Two
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  Speaker 1: World Series titles, two All-Star games after his second Tommy John.
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  Speaker 1: Others have not, and it's not really surprising that that
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  Speaker 1: would be the case, that sometimes it's a godsend and
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  Speaker 1: gives the player another shot. Other times, not so much.
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  Speaker 1: But Tyler, the Twins, obviously, anytime you look at the
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  Speaker 1: next season, you're hoping for progression, improvement, at the very least,
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  Speaker 1: maintaining the level players were at the year before, it
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  Speaker 1: might be the biggest question mark for their success, what
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  Speaker 1: they can get out of him at the top of
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  Speaker 1: that rotation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the big if is, you know, you
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  Speaker 2: plug him in. I mean, if he comes out hot, like,
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  Speaker 2: do you make him your number one or do you
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  Speaker 2: work him in as the number four or five just
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  Speaker 2: so he's not throwing as frequently? You know, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of ways to navigate it. It's going
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  Speaker 2: to be tricky. You know, and to your point, the
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  Speaker 2: guys with double Tommy Johns, I think in the world
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  Speaker 2: we live in now with all the not just data
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  Speaker 2: that's available on your pitches, but the biomechanics stuff, you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's predictors now. I think that teams have figured out,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the way your arm works, the sequencing and
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  Speaker 2: things like that. And I'm sure there's already in place
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  Speaker 2: plans where if it is a little tweak or if
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  Speaker 2: they say, hey, it was just bad luck. You know,
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  Speaker 2: he's not a guy that I watch him throw where
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  Speaker 2: it looks overly violent. You know, he's a smoother guy,
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  Speaker 2: kind of a lower slot delivery. Like he doesn't have
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  Speaker 2: that aggressive move, at least to my eye as a player.
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  Speaker 2: And so it's, it is so individual, like Dan, like
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  Speaker 2: you said, in the, those reports it's, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: play with Cole Reagan's with the Royals and he's a
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  Speaker 2: double Tommy John guy and he's had some issues pop
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  Speaker 2: up here and there. You know, it's, it's so hard
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  Speaker 2: to know. it's so hard to, to predict anything, but
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  Speaker 2: it is, it's going to come down to him being
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  Speaker 2: honest at times, whether he feels a little soreness, maybe
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  Speaker 2: one time through and Hey, skip me this time, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'll throw a light pen or take a week off. Like,
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  Speaker 2: and you can navigate it with putting them in that
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  Speaker 2: lower spot in the rotation where you, Hey, we got
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  Speaker 2: an off day. We're going to skip over you. This
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  Speaker 2: kind of like pre-lip this year, you know, they handled
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  Speaker 2: pre-lip very well. I think that's the ideal way that
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  Speaker 2: Pablo gets used in like, say like, break comes and
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  Speaker 2: he's rolling and feels great, then they can kind of
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  Speaker 2: move him towards the middle of that. Like depending on
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  Speaker 2: the seasons going, all these things. And I think we
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  Speaker 2: can't glaze over the fact too, that there's so much
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  Speaker 2: depth that there will be ways to navigate this for them.
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  Speaker 2: Assuming all these guys stay, you know, but we said
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  Speaker 2: what there's like eight guys that are potential candidates for
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  Speaker 2: the rotation. Like there's a lot of options. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you can get guys tempered in the big leagues, you know,
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  Speaker 2: pop them up for a start or two here and there.
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  Speaker 2: You know, but it's at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 2: it's so hard to know until you get there in
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  Speaker 2: that game mound with that adrenaline and test that elbow
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  Speaker 2: the first time and, you know, 20 more times for
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  Speaker 2: that matter. It's, you know, it's a long season, so
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  Speaker 2: you never know.
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  Speaker 1: Dan, it feels like you're going to have a similar
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  Speaker 1: season preview article next year. If everything goes right, here's
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  Speaker 1: what to expect.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they definitely need to take care of that issue
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  Speaker 4: by building themselves out with depth. We've talked about that
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  Speaker 4: in free agency because you can't hinge.
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  Speaker 3: You've seen it.
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  Speaker 4: Happen a couple years in a row where, A, we
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  Speaker 4: have three really great players, like three star players. And
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  Speaker 4: if those guys aren't doing it, we're screwed. That's been
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  Speaker 4: the formula. And I think you want to insulate yourself
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  Speaker 4: against that, especially with the guy coming off of his
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  Speaker 4: second Tommy John. Again, Pablo is one of those guys
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  Speaker 4: that knows himself so well that it will help in this,
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  Speaker 4: that he will not hold back and say, I got
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  Speaker 4: to take it back off.
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  Speaker 3: I got to back off here. Or I can go.
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  Speaker 3: You guys got to trust me. I can go.
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  Speaker 4: This is a guy who is that smart, and he
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  Speaker 4: has that kind of, I don't know, cash with the team.
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  Speaker 3: They know who he is, right?
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  Speaker 4: And they understand that he really does know himself well.
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  Speaker 3: But you're right about the mixed bag. I mean, Nathan,
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  Speaker 3: you have all these great.
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  Speaker 4: Jamison tie on had a really good run after his
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  Speaker 4: drew Rasmussen's had three drew Rasmussen's had three and look
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  Speaker 4: at his last two years, but there's a bunch of
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  Speaker 4: guys that didn't work out for. And, and so it
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  Speaker 4: certainly is a 50, 50, it's a coin flip. Um,
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  Speaker 4: maybe you feel better because it's Pablo on his side
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  Speaker 4: and like, he is so just regimented with his workouts.
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  Speaker 3: He is a workout machine. his pregame is ridiculous.
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  Speaker 4: Like, like I've been able to see his stretch and
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  Speaker 4: it's frightening to me that somebody physically can do what
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  Speaker 4: he does. Like, I'm like the, you are not built
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  Speaker 4: the same as me when I've seen him do a stretch.
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  Speaker 4: So he's got all these things where he's tip top.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that will help, but you always have
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  Speaker 4: to know that you're going into it with, it can
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  Speaker 4: feel something in, for.
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  Speaker 3: A week in May and maybe you do need to
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  Speaker 3: back off and you need that depth without question.
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  Speaker 4: And so it's, it's partly why I think Joe Ryan
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  Speaker 4: will stay, you know, they're going to take a gamble
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  Speaker 4: on him unless you can get, I, unless somebody was
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  Speaker 4: willing to trade a lot for Joe Ryan and you
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  Speaker 4: can bring in somebody with more team control. Um, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I think, you know, with the, with the precarious nature
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  Speaker 4: of Pablo there, regardless if they think he's going to
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  Speaker 4: be full go, um, you probably want to start the
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  Speaker 4: season with Taj Bradley and Joe Ryan atop your rotation
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  Speaker 4: to have those two guys as good as they can
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  Speaker 4: be leading the rotation and then figure out the rest
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  Speaker 4: behind them. Even with as much young arms and promise
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  Speaker 4: and Abel and Zebby and pre-lip and, you know, everywhere
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  Speaker 4: you look, there's, there's young guys, but I think that
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  Speaker 4: certainly is a big, you know, we'll play a factor
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  Speaker 4: in how they put together the rotation this off season.
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  Speaker 1: Never have too much starting pitching, right? That's what it
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  Speaker 1: comes down to. Speaking of injured pitchers, Jeff Hoffman, reliever,
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  Speaker 1: underwent surgery this week for a bone chip removal and
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  Speaker 1: a debridement, which I always have to look up what
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  Speaker 1: the hell that is.
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  Speaker 2: Debridement's a weird one.
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  Speaker 1: Removal of dead, damaged, infected, or foreign material from a
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  Speaker 1: wound or burn. Good God, is he okay, Dan?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's okay. Okay. It sounds so horrible. I love
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  Speaker 3: loose bodies.
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  Speaker 2: It's letting the muscle breathe. That's what it really is.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: It's what? Um, they like go in and they open
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: it up and like, it's your fashion and everything out
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: of the way. And they like the muscle basically gets
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: so tight that it like cuts off blood flow. And
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: so it's like, they got to let it breathe. Like
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: it's literally what it means. And yeah, that definition is
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: terrifying though.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: It is right. It sounds horrible. No.
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: So look, um, he, uh, We knew that he had
• 16:51
  Speaker 4: some elbow stuff at the end of the season. His
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: save against San Francisco in that last road series, he
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: was visibly off that day.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: And it looked really bad.
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: And they shut him down with two days left in
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: the season and said, put him on the IL. And
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: that allowed them to bring somebody up. But they just
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: knew it wasn't worth it to pitch again. because something
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: was going on, but they thought it was going to
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: be rest. Clearly rest didn't work. Cause here we are
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: one month later since the season ended. And he had
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: that procedure on Tuesday.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: We'll get some more examples of rest, not being enough
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: in a minute, but keep going.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Sorry to.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: He, he, he is expected to be shut down for
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: eight weeks. So that puts him what we're, we're October 20th.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: So end of December, is when his shutdown should end
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: right there and allow him to start his throwing program. Duff,
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: you can talk about what it takes, the timeline for
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: a reliever, but it sounds like he's probably about 13
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: weeks out to be throw ready, essentially.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and being a reliever, it shortens those timelines a
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: lot because a lot of the time for these Tommy
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Johns especially, it's the literal hundred throws that these guys
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: have to go make and then it's you know throw
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: bullpens we're gonna throw 35 fastballs today and then we're
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: gonna throw 60 pitch bullpen and 70 pitch bullpens and
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: it's just like it's a mind-numbing amount of throws to
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: make in a non-competitive environment non-game and for a reliever
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: because of these you know surgeons have gotten so much
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: better and and the doctors know exactly how to treat
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: these guys the process for a reliever has very much
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: been streamlined. And so, you know, when I was first
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: coming up, I wouldn't pick up a baseball till Christmas anyways.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: And with the looming, you know, potential of missing a
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: few weeks of the season already in the, on the horizon,
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: like that kind of works out perfect, honestly, for both
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: of these guys, you know, it may sneak Pablo maybe
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: a week or two where he can kind of throttle
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: down a little bit. And Jeff can, kind of just
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: go about a normal off season. I don't know what
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: he normally does, you know, but in this situation that
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: gives him plenty of time to make sure he's good.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: If he needs to take it slow for a week,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: he can like, it's, I think he'll, his will be
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: a non-issue. Obviously it's surgery at the end of the day.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Like it's not, it's not like, it's not scary, but
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: something like this, it's just make sure your scars healed
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: up good. You know, the muscles responding well and hit
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: the ground running. Once you start throwing, you know, he's,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: And again, he's a pro. He's been around. He's had
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: things before. It's nothing new. It's just another add it
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: to the routine.
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: I imagine this will be for a guy who's 33.
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: I imagine this will be like a a nice thing
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: for him to not feel that scar, the, the, what
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: he's been feeling and clearly has been managing.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: And he said it. Yeah.
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: He's, he's been pitching for a long time and to
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: go in there and clean it up. And this one,
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: I'm sure that arthroscopic surgery. Now I'd love to know
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: the advance it's been made in like the last 30 years,
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: because I'm sure it used to be a lot scarier.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: You've seen Tony Oliva's knees before?
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: I've not seen Tony Oliva's knees before, but yeah, I
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: believe it.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: I used to say it looks like they cut him
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: with a license plate instead of a scalpel. I mean,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: it looks like a grenade went off when I look
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: at his knees. I'm like, good God, having surgery back
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: then must have been just the ultimate dice roll.
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: It's crazy, too, because if Jeff Hoffman was pitching threw
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: something when he got to the twins he had 27
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: strikeouts in 18 innings 250 era um and and a
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: little bit of it was off that last day like
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: he was as advertised and you know it was gonna
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: look like i think between he and kramer those are
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: two nice additions of deadline that still will pay off
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: this season aj mentor of course is a free agent
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: but those two guys um are under contract one more
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: year and the twins definitely want to protect that's why
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: they shut him down at the end and said, let's
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: see how this goes with rest.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: And here they are a month later needing the surgery.
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: But, you know, it's definitely, you could tell he was
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: bugged by it because he said, if.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: We were playing for anything, I'd be pitching through this.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: But, you know, in hindsight, that's probably good for his
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: longevity that he didn't have to pitch through it because
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: he'd had a long October the year before pitching all
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: the way into the World Series, into game seven of
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: the World Series.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: So there's a lot of usage on that arm.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: And he's pitched in a lot of Octobers lately, back
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: with the Phillies, you know, He's been a guy, especially
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: since the Twins cut him in spring training in 2023.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: He's really been a guy since that point in the majors.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: When you're a guy, you get a lot of usage.
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: I remember talking about him in spring training in 2023.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: He'd come from the Reds, I believe, at that time
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: on a minor league deal. He'd been with a few
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: people and all the reporters were like, Hey, you're going
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: to love this guy. He's awesome to talk to, but
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: B he's figuring it out clearly. And his slider just
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: changed his career around. I mean, 2023, he was a
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: nobody as far as he'd had a couple of good
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: innings as a reliever, but look how quickly that kind
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: of thing can change. Like he was the, he was
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: still good on the potential side, but he came to
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: camp on a minor league deal and you look what
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: he's done since then in the majors. It's been an
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: incredible run. Um, And that's how it works sometimes with
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: the relievers. You can be a late bloomer.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: In other news, I mentioned that I'm a little late
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: to this. It happened last week, but former Twins catcher
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Mitch Garver announced his retirement last week. He played his
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: first five, 10-season solo first five with the Twins, had
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: his best season in 2019 with the Bomba Squad Twins,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: 31 homers, 273 average, 4.1. Van Graaff's War, one of
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: the better catcher seasons in recent history. And, of course,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: immediately after leaving, the Twins won a World Series with
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: another team, in this case, Texas.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: But, Tyler, you played with him?
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: It's been a lot of time. Garb saw. Oh, he's great, dude.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: And I loved him. So it was funny. We didn't
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: get drafted together, but we ended up playing together. So
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: I didn't know, like, his whole backstory. You know, he's
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: senior signed and all that good stuff. And, you know, he's, he's,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: he's quiet, confident kind of guy. And so it took
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: a while to get to know him. But once, once
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: I figured out him and how, how he ticks, you know,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: we had some great times together. And like, like I
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: was talking before the show, you know, he and I
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: both probably had our best years there in 19, obviously
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: winning a world series makes it a great year, no
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: matter what. But, you know, he's great, great teammate, great
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: guy to have in the locker room, you know, through,
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: through thick and thin, he was just grinding and always
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: working and, um you know it was it was fun
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: man we like i said we had some we had
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: some great groups uh in that locker room and and
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: he was definitely part of the reason why and um
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: you know congrats to him i mean he's he took
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: his opportunity that the twins gave him and and he
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: definitely made the most of it you know got him
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: a nice little contract from seattle world series ring 10
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: years in the big leagues i mean can't ask for
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: much else and he'll be able to do whatever he
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: wants now i'm sure I think he's a guy who
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: likes hitting in the game enough. I wouldn't be surprised
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: if he's around in another form or fashion in the
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: short future.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: He was one of the more intense guys, and he
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: had that intense face. But then when you got him
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: to smile and relax, he was just amazing. I respected
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: the intensity because he was– think about this. When he
• 24:53
  Speaker 4: got to the majors, he was 27 years old. And
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: he got up to, he gets the majors at age 27.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: Hang on. I was 26 in 2017. He had that
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: cup of coffee, like 20 games at the end of
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: the season. And they brought him up in 2018. Uh,
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: and it was going to be him as the backup.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: It was going to be Jason Castro as the, as
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: the main guy and Jason Castro hurt his knees, uh,
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: In April of 2018. And all of a sudden, Mitch Garver,
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: who had 23 games in 2017, Mitch Garver, who had
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: no real book on the league, became the catcher. And
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: had to learn it. It was him and Bobby Wilson
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: were the backstops in 2018. Bobby Wilson had been brought
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: in on a minor league deal. Another great guy. An
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: unbelievable guy who's already stuck around in the coaching realm.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: Like one of the smarter guys I've dealt with, Bobby Wilson.
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: So he got to coach up Mitch Garver for that
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: 2018 season. And in 2019, Mitch Garver was so confident
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: and so good, and he could hit a fastball. And
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: he hit a lot of them in 2019. But I've
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: told this story before, but on April 29th of 19,
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: Twins beat the Astros 1-0, beat Justin Verlander 1-0 on
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: an E-Ray Adrianza solo homer. And after the game, Mitch
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: Garver told me and Doe Young Park were making the playoffs.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: And it was like, you're crazy, man. It's April.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: And after the Twins lost 3-4 to Cleveland in August
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: at home, and I believe that either put Cleveland ahead
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: or tied the division race, Mitch Garver was like, I'm
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: not kidding.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: We still have this. We got this.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: And he was right because the schedule played the Twins' favor,
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: that last part of it, but also– The twins were
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: just really good.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Guys won the.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: Division by eight games in 2019. Awesome postseason in 23
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: with the Rangers. Had three homers, had 13 or 14 RBIs.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: It was like 12 for 53 on the batting average,
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: so not great there.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: But three homers, including a three-run jack in the World Series.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: And honestly, one of my favorite guys to cover. He's
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: just very honest, always had a good opinion on stuff.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: had respect of the guys in the clubhouse and, you know,
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: knew what he was talking about.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Let's not talk about that 2019 post-season at all, but
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: just like, yeah.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: That was a great time.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: 101 win team, which was the best in a long time.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: Not ever.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: I don't think for the times, but.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Like, What's crazy about that is if they had done
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: that this year, they're the number one seed. But that year,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: both of the other division winners had better records. And,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: of course, they had to play the Yankees.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: Well, no, it's the bouncy balls that everyone had to do. Yeah.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Well, so long, Mitch. I think he was set to
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: be a free agent, too, wasn't he? I think we
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: mentioned him.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was. He was around with Seattle this year,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: here and there. And then, yeah, it was like, we're
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: getting on that other side where it's hard to bounce
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: back after a night game for the day game, especially
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: being behind the behind home plate grinding a little bit.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. I mean, we're talking about a guy
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: that's gonna be 36 years old.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: Um, and, and the hips have been bugging him probably
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: since 2021.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: So like he hit his wall. Yeah.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: He got paid.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: He got his, his bag of cash.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: He had really good success after he left, but you know,
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: it catches up with you and, you can't really sell
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: yourself as a catcher anymore when you're probably capable of
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: catching like 40 games, 50 games. And I'm sure he
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: was thinking about that. And his kids are getting to
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: that age now. I think his son was born in 2020.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: So his son's probably six or seven years old. And
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: I know, I think he has a daughter behind that.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: I can't remember, but he has a second child who's
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: probably around four years old.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Two boys.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Takes up a little time.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: Two boys, okay, yeah.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. Mom needs help keeping him in line
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: at home.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: From experience.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: On that note, I mentioned earlier that we would talk
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: more about rest not being enough. Why can't we have
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: nice things in Minnesota, guys? The Timberwolves looked so good.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: So good.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: And now Anthony Edwards needs surgery and he's out for
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: two months. Because rest wasn't enough in the offseason. They
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: tried the rest.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Didn't work.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Wasn't enough. Love that he still scored two. 47 points
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: on a bum knee on the second night of a
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: back-to-back before the injury, but it's just never-ending. Now, it
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: hasn't been sports fan, I have to look at the
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: optimistic side, which is this will spare him some wear
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: and tear. And when he comes back, as long as
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: they can get in the playoffs.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: Hey, the real season doesn't start until after Christmas. I mean,
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: everyone makes it anyway.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: 48 teams in the playoffs.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: I had not watched any of their games, but I
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: can tell you from watching my timelines, people going nuts
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: over the Wolves. And it seemed like, especially when you
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: bring in Jonathan Kaminga as a depth guy, as maybe
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: your fifth or sixth best player, that's a really good
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: place to be. But, you know, you had to bring
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: up the Niners earlier. Why'd you do that? That's why
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: you can't have nice things. You brought up the Niners earlier.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: I was there in Atlanta on Sunday. and got to
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: see their first loss in person. And you know when
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: I knew they were screwed? Because the Falcons cheated. First
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: of all, the refs were terrible in that game. They
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: truly were. But the Falcons absolutely 100% cheated. They brought
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: out big boy.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: From outcast at halftime and had him do a concert.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: Like seriously, like you big boy, like this isn't the
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: super bowl. This isn't like the playoffs. This is week seven.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: And the Falcons brought out big boy. They really brought
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: out the, the big hitters. And it was a close game.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: Niners were in the lead at that point, but it
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: was all Falcons after that. It wasn't in the script.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter.
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: Hey, Niners got, Niners trade for DeForest Buckner on a,
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: on Tuesday, Tuesday, And upgraded their biggest weakness.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: So I'm not too concerned.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Falcons are a weird team.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Crushed the Packers in Green Bay, beat the 49ers, but
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: are 3-4 overall.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: I like Pennix as their quarterback, though, because all they need...
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: Now we're going to something else. They have two great players.
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: They have a great receiver in Drake London. They have
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: a great tight end in Kyle Pitts. Pitts, the only
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: quarterback that seemed to access him in his entire career
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: is Penix. Penix is a check down guy. And when
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: you have Bajon Robinson as your running back, you don't
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: need a whole lot. You're going to have space. Penix,
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: when he's healthy, he can move that team. They just
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: out-possessed the Niners. It was like 31-29 on time of
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: possession every day.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: He's a good quarterback.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: He's just had... so many knee injuries. So it's a,
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: they're a weird team.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: We're laying the groundwork to convert this into an NFL podcast.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: If we have to, if the lockout never ends.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Or maybe, maybe the world's first Minnesota, Houston Bay area
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: podcast could also be an option. You know, we'd have
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: the market cornered.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: We'd have the market cornered bridge that needs to be built.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: And what do you know? Warriors Timberwolves tonight.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good to see Yaxal.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he looks great.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Dan's going to have to wait until Monday to talk
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: trash to me about that, but that's fine.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: I don't think I'll be talking trash.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: Maybe, maybe.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: We'll see.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: No Anthony.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: We'll see. Yeah.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Thanks, everybody, for listening to a little bit shorter show today.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: We finally shut up. Can you believe it? We'll be
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  Speaker 1: over by then, one way or another, and we will
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  Speaker 1: be prepping for what could be an eventful November for
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  Speaker 1: and we will see you on Monday.
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  Speaker 2: Bye-bye.