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111: Functional Medicine & Optimal Health w/ Dr. James Lewerenz · Harder Than Life

• 0:07
  I'm Kelly Siegel, and this is Harder Than Life, a podcast about self-love, self-awareness, business, and health. We tell outrageous stories and boil everything down to simple, practical advice you can start using today. Let's get living.
• 0:23
  Today on the Heart of Life podcast, I'm thrilled to welcome Dr. James Lorenz. Not only is he the mastermind behind Longevity Health Institute, where he's been helping folks live their best lives for over 27 years, but also a fellow podcast host on the Deep Six podcast.
• 0:41
  Dr. Lorenz is also about merging the latest in functional medicine with good old traditional care to keep us all thriving. With a resume that could probably put us all to sleep, he's here to keep us awake and kicking because we've got a lot of years ahead of us.
• 0:58
  Let's deep dive with Dr. Lorenz. But guys, as you know, I'm very passionate, being very into physical fitness. We're going to deep dive into what he does to keep me healthy and keep me here in these airwaves for a long time. So thanks for making the track here today. We're in person, so it's exciting. Fellow Detroiter. Yeah. Go Tigers. He was texting me last night with the Tigers. Yeah. That was awesome. Dude, big win. Yeah. Everybody loves the underdog story.
• 1:24
  But what I love about you is that it's not even preventative. It's like proactive. The best defense is a strong offense. And that's, to me, what taking all these tests and doing all this work to keep yourself. Look at the shape. Guys, if you aren't watching this on YouTube, head on over. Well, I'm not like you, Kelly. But, you know, hey, I give it a good go.
• 1:48
  So let's start off with what inspired you to specialize in longevity and functional medicine. And how did you did your training in emergency and regenerative medicine shape your approach to this? Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you for having me here, by the way. This is going to be fun, you know? Yeah. And we'll have a good time and learn a little bit. Do some good stuff. No.
• 2:08
  Honestly, it was all organic. I did an ER residency. I'm going to give you the cliff notes. Did an ER residency, did a family practice residency. I'm doing typical medicine. I was athletic at the time, nothing special, but just competing in a little bit of hockey, mountain biking, things like this. But I was also a dad, a new doctor, a new everything. And I'm just doing the grind and my patients that I'm seeing,
• 2:37
  are not really resonating with me. Now, I don't mean the ER, because that's like life and death, but I would go to the office and take care of people, and it was just not fulfilling to me. And then I did have a little bit of a medical issue, nothing significant huge, but just enough to be like, well,
• 2:57
  This isn't normal. I was like 36 at the time, you know, so I'm like, this is not normal and I'm not accepting it. And I went to several docs, colleagues of mine, totally respect and everything. And the great guys, still friends with them, et cetera. But it was like, wait, wait, wait, something's being missed. You know what I mean? And I'm being blown off. And I would say, well, take off. They literally one guy said, take off your cape.
• 3:19
  He said, take it. One of this internist said, take off your cape, man. He goes, you're just doing too much. You got kids, you're mountain bike racing, you're, you know, you're doing all this stuff. And I go, well, you know, that's true, but something's just not right. And, you know, the traditional stuff that I was doing, even personally, you know, in my office with my patients.
• 3:36
  It was like, you know, I wasn't finding anything that was helping. And long story short is after that journey and further education and, you know, kind of deep diving into functional medicine, regenerative medicine, all that, I was like, okay, this helped me. Now I'm passionate about it. I'm fired up about it, you know, and I'm doing good stuff and I'm,
• 4:01
  I'm seeing my patients and, you know, I'm like, I can't just keep doing this. You know what I mean? This wasn't fulfilling. You know, it wasn't, I wasn't passionate about it, you know? So I literally, I'm going to tell you this, my ex-wife, this is, this is amazing, which we are still good friends. I love her. She's a good person and God bless her.
• 4:18
  She's fighting a little bit of a disease right now. And long story short, though, is I literally, I'm not, no joke, to this day, she's like, you went to that conference. We were to get in Vegas, this regenerative functional medicine conference, this first one. She goes, you walked up to the Venetian, you went into the room. She goes, and you were so fired up. She goes, I thought you lost your mind. I thought you were nuts. What do they say that everybody's nuts until they do it? Yeah. You know, and I go, well, you know.
• 4:46
  Hey, you know what? Anyway, so I, you know, that was, that was the start of my journey. But anyway, when I just changed my practice, I literally took my family practice, you know, and just slowly started integrating nutrition, diet, vitamins, looking at hormones, deep diving into things that, you know, I'd never done. And the sad part is this, and I don't like to like discount traditional medicine and
• 5:11
  Even medical school and all that at all. Okay. Cause it's got its place and it's got its foundation. But even right now, even right now, the, I just read in the new England journal of medicine, they are trying to propose a complete nutrition, um, uh, foundation that they would teach in medical school. Um,
• 5:30
  Meaning make it like standardization because there's no standardization for this. So in medical school, when you go to medical school, you know, you learn some physiology and you learn all this stuff and, you know, you cut bodies apart and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then it's like drug surgery, disease, drug surgery. You know what I mean? So you learn this stuff and like what was just blew my mind away at that conference I mentioned.
• 5:53
  is I'm sitting there for two hours, it was two hours, first two hours of the morning, like 7 to 9 a.m., and I'm like, how the hell do I not know this stuff? Or practice this stuff, okay? And it was basic, I mean, I learned it in medical school, but you just, you know, it's two pages or one hour lecture and move on.
• 6:11
  You know what I mean? And so it was just a complete mind shift and, you know, lit me on fire, passionate and everything. And I practice. This is what's crazy. I only have to this day because when you ship, people don't like change. I had a good practice, too. He had a pretty good practice. People love me. It was all good. I was blessed because I took over my dad's practice and people don't like change. A lot of people. Yeah.
• 6:35
  And to this day, I only have probably 5% of my original patients 15 years ago when I, well, 16 years ago or so when I switched. So you were a savant. You did that 16 years ago. Now it's like with Obamacare and the way medicine has become, it's like you almost have to have, and I know you call it the concierge service that you offer to your people where they pay a premium. It's not even really a premium. It's actually, if you equate it to your health,
• 7:04
  It's worth it. Yeah. Like you pay that little bit of money for per month. You get the, the premium treatment from you and you feel better and you can do better and you can do bigger. So this is my, you guys all want to know why cheat code at 48 soon to be 49. This is it. We're going to get into it deep and it's, it's really affordable guys, but this is how I get on the offense and how, look at this guy. We look super young, um,
• 7:30
  And it's from taking care of ourselves. And I love it. The story that you just said is exactly how I started my IT business, by the way. You just kind of, you're in the right place at the right time and it's not luck. You prepared for years to be ready for that. And for those of you guys listening and you're not sure what you're doing, you're like, I don't know, I just want to be like Kelly, want to be like Jim. You got to prepare space and allow things to happen. And boom, this guy's the preeminent.
• 7:57
  If he's still under patient doctor privilege, so you can't say who his patients are, but I've seen some of them in the waiting room and they're big people that you guys would know. So if you really want to get on the offensive, work on your mind and then come to Dr. Lawrence's longevity health Institute and work on your body. So let's talk about this traditional versus, I was going to ask you one of my questions was what's up. What do you call traditional medicine? So you call it traditional. So,
• 8:23
  You focus on both traditional and the functional medicine. How do you integrate these two practices to benefit the patients? Well, to me, it's real simple. It's not rocket science and all that. Like, again, all this just happened. You're right, prepared. But I was always life prepared. I was very fortunate. I was blessed to be born and integrated into a family that was athletic.
• 8:42
  And physicians and entrepreneurs and all that. No stress. And we all have – right, tons. I mean, we all have our challenge. Believe me, there's no perfect at all. I could tell you crazy stories, man. But my point is that I had a lot of good foundation there.
• 9:00
  You know that you know, I always I call it the bounce back, you know, I love the bounce back I think my dad taught me that and what I mean by that is you You know literally, you know like hey when you have an up and down and you have a struggle, you know, I mean hey You learn you get strengthened, you know, I mean it creates character, you know, it's empowering, you know to like get up Sometimes getting ups better than you know, the being at the top and
• 9:26
  You know what I mean? But anyway, you asked me a question. I got off track, but I just want to lay that down there because it's interesting that you said that. But no, it's just that the difference, you know, traditional medicine, kind of what I do is it was a really organic. I created a through physiology of what I had learned, a six point model.
• 9:46
  and I'm really dumbing it down to make it sound simple. We have a question later on about this, we're gonna deep dive into that 6.1. Yeah, but it's really just looking at the difference in traditional medicine, and I use traditional medicine. I order MRIs, I order cholesterol, I treat blood pressure, I have cancer patients come to me, I have, you name it, because everybody wants to thrive, everybody wants to survive and kind of be living well and has goals.
• 10:13
  Whatever those are, business, family, life, journey, whatever. Long story short, though, is that we focus on goals in a, we'll call it just this, a functional physiologic approach.
• 10:28
  somewhat Eastern people. I had this guy yesterday say, are you holistic? And I'm like, I'm whatever you want to call me because, you know, yeah, there's holistic principles and things we do, but you know, some traditional holistic is they won't look at hormones. They won't look at genetics. They're like, it's just about the diet and all that. And that's, that's huge. It's huge, huge, huge. But it's missing a lot of other things that in 2024 we can deep dive into, you know, and,
• 10:57
  So anyway, so that's the difference is, you know, kind of being progressive, being preventative, being proactive where, you know, we want to think years, decades.
• 11:12
  decades out to be in a kind of a longevity functional approach. We wanna fix goals. We don't wanna just treat and street. And in attritional approach, unfortunately this is the statistics, your traditional doctor's got about seven minutes nationally statistically average in the room with you. Okay, what can you possibly, I wanna say a strong word here, I won't, but what can you possibly solve in seven minutes
• 11:40
  in real health care, in a visit. And sometimes people, by the way, see the doctor twice a year. So 14 minutes a year, they're going to keep you healthy and well. Really? Yeah, impossible. And it just becomes a cookie cutter. It's, oh, we see this, we treat it with a drug. Right. So I love it. You just said treat and treat. That's hilarious. So, excuse me, I've been to...
• 12:03
  Holistic doctors, I've been to you. I've been to everybody before you. And I really appreciate the blend because I know I'm getting it right. Because if you go to a holistic doctor, you're going to get holistic medicine. You go to a traditional doctor, you get a traditional doctor. You go to a surgeon, they're going to prescribe surgery. Right. So I always laugh when people go for back consultations and they go to a back surgeon. Yeah.
• 12:27
  Like, what do you think he's going to do? Hey, you come to me for business advice. I'm going to probably look at your IT. I mean, that's a good guess, you know? And then I look at – I love that you also said that you go in and you have goals. Yeah. And some of those goals probably aren't, hey, I'm sick. And it's like when I came to you, it was, bro, I'm tired. Yeah. And it literally was just –
• 12:51
  It turns out I was just not eating enough, which is crazy for me. I just am so active that I just wasn't eating. It was like, hey, eat more and take these vitamins and keep doing what you're doing. It was treat and streak. Get the hell out of here. So it's not like you're going to come to his thing and he's going to get your claws in you and you got to come back and go to 45 different things. But I think you're going to like it and go into it deeper.
• 13:15
  The other thing I always like to say, and it's what you went through, is always remember what got you here won't get you there. Oh, because we're changing. We're getting older. Right. And so some people go, well, wait, I've been working out. And my doc, by the way, my doc ran my hormones. Well, he probably looked at your thyroid or something. I'm not saying he didn't look a deep dive. Oh, and it never changes. Right.
• 13:35
  Exactly. Or, you know, I used to, you know, yeah, I just need to clean up my diet. And maybe that was good for you and you lost a few pounds. But just always remember, like what got you here won't always get you there. You know, we change, we grow, we evolve. And that's really important to understand in medicine and definitely in prevention and longevity and thriving.
• 13:56
  I think that's funny because it's just like how it is in IT. They're like, I didn't do anything. Like, you didn't search the web. You didn't do it. Like, oh, that didn't work for me. Well, how long did you try it? Oh, a week. Yeah. Like, okay. Boy, your business and mine are so very similar. And I love it. Well, no, because I run your health and I run your body like a business. That's why it's very simple.
• 14:17
  You know, we just kind of jumped right into it. Yeah. Because I know, and I've been a life. Someone could go, you treat anybody. Could you do any telehealth? Could you do anywhere? They have to come here. No, and I have patients all over the country. So. I mean, here's the thing is we like to do a one-time deep dive per year.
• 14:35
  And that deep dive is really an executive longevity, kind of physical. And we personalize it. But, you know, I have somebody coming in next week from L.A. Last week I had somebody from Florida. But, you know, the majority of our patients are, you know, southeastern Michigan. But we do have people coming in all the time. What I prefer is at least one in-person visit. But we have some that just is just not possible.
• 14:57
  So we do Zoom and, yeah, we do telemedicine and all that stuff. The only reason that there are some things that are, you know, they're proprietary in our office, technology, testing, et cetera, they got to be in our office to do that blood test or to do that, you know, brain technology test or to do that vascular test or whatever. You know, we kind of modify it if they can't come in.
• 15:18
  You know, like so let's walk everybody through that. But by the way, none of the show notes gave me any. How do people get a hold of you? Where do you want them to go? If someone says, dude, I want to look jacked like this dude. And how do I do that? Yeah. Um, well, I mean, it was longevity health institute. Um, our websites, longevity health institute, Inc. Dot com. Um.
• 15:36
  You know, we're in Southeastern Michigan. We've got a couple locations, Bingham Farms and Rochester Hills. We used to have three, and my staff doesn't allow me to have three. But we don't really – we have large practices. So I have seven other practitioners with me, providers, doctors and nurse practitioners in that.
• 15:54
  And we have different models. So it's like we are a concierge practice, we are a membership type of practice, but we make it affordable. So we have levels and tiers, and then obviously you get different things. But great team, and we actually work on you, from everybody, everybody in the pride works on you from that foundation, from that six point model, which we'll get into. Yes, we will. But yeah, I mean you can just look up on the internet, social media. So if they go to, what's your social media handles? I don't have them anywhere.
• 16:23
  I'll send them to you and we'll post them, but it's obviously longevity health Institute on Facebook, on YouTube, the deep dive podcast, which is, is my podcast about kind of what we're talking about today. You know? Yeah, guys, this is no joke, man. This is how I live and die by this. I got a million different doctors that I go to for everything because I want to say I'm going to live to 120. I convinced them. Yeah. I sleep well. I really believe everything could be sleep, eat and, and, and just resting. Yeah.
• 16:53
  And a good exercise. I was going to say move. Yeah, you got it. Yeah, of course. No, for sure. Absolutely. They go to the website, and they only have to come once a year. And I will tell you why you'd want to come here. If you're coming to Michigan, come in the summer, July preferably. It's actually really nice here in July.
• 17:10
  Otherwise – All my entertainers, all my people that come out – no, they will only come. It's so funny what you're saying. They will only come. They'll stay in Birmingham. It's so funny. And they'll only – they're like, well, April, May to like – I don't know. But that's it. They won't come like – It is beautiful in Michigan in the summer. And that's why we live here, guys, because it gets –
• 17:30
  That's why I have a house in Florida. I get the hell out of here during the wintertime, but it's beautiful. So come see doctor. And the beauty part about it is you do have everything right there in it. So I needed to get some blood taken out of me because I had too much iron, and we did it right there in the office. So he takes care of everything. This is not an insurance, and we're going to blast everything, and it's very affordable.
• 17:52
  They go to your website. They're going to come in. They're going to do some blood tests. They're going to meet with you, by the way, too. I want to point that out. They meet you, not an associate, not an assistant. You actually spend a good 30 minutes with people. Well, yeah. I mean, I have another doctor and other practitioners. But, yes, if you're a fit, meaning my tier, if you will, with Concierge Medicine, you'll meet with me. And, actually, I must have sped you up.
• 18:20
  Because everybody gets an hour. Oh. I usually can, I mean, you can get whatever you want, but I mean, usually I can handle things within an hour. You know, you were easy. So I gave you 30 minutes. Yeah. I was specific. I came from one thing. It was like, I need to sleep better. You're like, dude. And you nailed it right on. You're like, I guarantee you, I've seen you at work. You go so hard. You just fall on your face. And I'm like, where you freaking got a camera on me? Yeah.
• 18:42
  Yeah, yeah. It's 30 years of doing this stuff. Right, yeah, yeah. But exactly. But the big thing is, and we brought this up, but this is big. And even just for anybody out there, whether they come and see me or not, which, hey, we're taking new patients all the time. But I would stress this. Set goals for yourself. And when you go into your appointment with your practitioner, whoever that is, whatever model that physician or practitioner is,
• 19:06
  Set goals. Don't make them astronomical, meaning because you can reset goals in three months or six months. What do you see as the number one goal? Sorry on that. Like, is it to feel better? Is it to look better? Well, probably the top two are energy and weight.
• 19:21
  And people want to lose weight, people want to get energy. I mean, I make it simple, but, you know, I mean, you know, it's the big, some people, you know, it's a brain fog. Some people it's bad guts, you know, digestive issues, food sensitivities. Some people, you know, like I said, they used to work out. They used to be fit. They used to be energetic, you know? And they're like, I just, I'm not getting the results I used to. So when I say weight, I don't mean, some people it's like just gaining some muscle, losing 10 pounds and they go, well, I don't know why these 10 pounds, I used to be able to get rid of them.
• 19:51
  But you know funny thing is because I do see women also, you know, so it's like hair loss, you know You know Call it this the the mommy tummy see me like they're not they're skinny fat, you know, I mean by that So you get into perimenopause and you know, they're like, I don't know what's going on I mean, they look good, but you know I'm sure if they take their clothes off, but they have like the mommy tummy and it's driving them nuts, you know But but yeah energy and help with that I
• 20:19
  Of course. And it's not a surgery. No. You're going to get it done right with the diet and exercise. I bet you a lot of what you're doing, what I'm hearing is mind. It's in the mind. There's a lot of mind-body connection stuff we work on. Just truthfully, that's literally the number one thing that got me to sleep. It got me back to normal. I just had to make sure and just focus on my sleep. So my goal was to have more energy. It was literally to sleep. I had to get more restful sleep.
• 20:46
  sleep and feed my body. And you know the funny thing? Since the last time I saw you, the next time I come in you're gonna yell at me, but I've added 10 pounds of muscle because I've slept well. Everyone was like, oh you took steroids. No, no, no, no, no, no. I take testosterone, I take testosterone cream, I'm 48. My testosterone was like 250.
• 21:06
  And I've increased that and I'm getting better workouts and eating more. It just has such a trickle down effect. So let's go. This seems like a perfect time to talk about the key principles of your preventative health and how you apply them to achieve optimal health for all patients, but specifically the Six Point Health Foundation model. Let's talk about it.
• 21:29
  Yeah, yeah. So the six-point model, which is just a model, it doesn't mean this is encompassed literally everything, but I will tell you that I can improve, normalize, reverse 99% of things if we work on this model. There's the esoterics, the rare ones, because I do have people that come into my office with these really unusual things from other states and diseases, and I'm not making this up. I have to like, but that's the 1%. We'll talk about that, too, because AI is going to help you with that.
• 21:57
  Oh, yeah, yeah. But that's the one percent. Those are rarities and all that. But the six point model is we always consider and deep dive into hormones, genetics, your gut health. And when I say gut health, I mean also nutrition and your nutrients you absorb, et cetera. Liver and detoxification and toxins. OK, because our liver is our filter. We we are the filter.
• 22:23
  mind-body connection, so just like you mentioned, and then also structural issues. And I call it like a matrix. Those six things are like a matrix in how your body works, the physiology, okay? Now, people come in and I can't,
• 22:41
  you know, the executive deep dive longevity physical, we do this, but it's very hard to like, you know, okay, I'm 50 years old, let's make this, I'm 50 years old and they come in and, you know, they have 10 issues, you know, but we may solve three or four in the first few months, okay? But with this interview and with things that they fill out, et cetera,
• 23:01
  And I'm really, really big on this in the practice. We are going to make, okay, an action, an actionable immediately. So to make them better immediately. In fact, I want people leaving the office, not with education, not with just understanding and visualization and that, okay, so that they're compliant and they understand what's going on. But we tend to give them something when they're there that I know that they need so that they actually, you know, they're not fixed maybe and visit one. But before we even have labs back and everything, I'll be like,
• 23:31
  You know, whether it's B12, magnesium, whether it's potentially this is, you know, unique, potentially a hormone, but whatever it is, better sleep, something for sleep, all that stuff so that they literally were right away like, oh, my God, I see him in a week for their follow up or do a zoom on a follow up and they're better. But when you look at, you know, genetics, hormones, gut, nutrients, liver, detox, structure, detox.
• 23:54
  and mind-body connection, you can solve, and I'm seeing a big statement, everything. No, you encompassed everything. And they affect each other. Do you know what I mean? They affect each other. So, you know, and why, you know, people nowadays, I will say this because genetics are huge. We got great genetic testing now, full genome sequencing we can do for very affordable. It used to be like $5,000, literally, it's like under $1,000.
• 24:23
  I mean, I think the last I can't remember all the numbers, but it's like six, seven hundred bucks now. It's not much. I did it. It's it's extremely accurate. But that's for like full genomic sequence. So we know all your DNA. But the point here is in the genetics is this genetics genetics help us because this is the thing is.
• 24:40
  I'm gonna make you, I'm gonna solve your goals and I'm gonna make you thrive. You're not dropping dead on my dime or my time. And I say that, this sounds crazy, but listen to this. Anybody can make anybody energetic. I shouldn't say, what I mean is a doctor. Give somebody a hormone inappropriately. Give somebody some drug inappropriately. Give somebody, all of a sudden, yeah, that is better, that is better. If you don't know your genetics and your underlying things that are going on, you could be making yourself at risk.
• 25:07
  So we always look at the full picture so that we prevent because we're always thinking the long game. You know what I mean? I'm laughing because before I went to you and I told you the doctor's name, there's a local doctor who's not practicing anymore. Might not even be alive. And literally had a pill for everything. If you had a heart, you needed energy, here's a pill. It's a thyroid pill. You couldn't get your erectile dysfunction. Here's a pill for that. You have anxiety. Here's a, he was a pill dispensary.
• 25:36
  But that's what makes you this very unique, your longevity health institute, because you have the gut, the hormones, the genetics, the liver, mind, body and structural. You can't get that from a functional medicine doctor or a holistic only. You have to go to both and you're getting that. What do you find is that is one of them has to be a little bit more of a culprit than others at.
• 26:00
  adding to our unhealthy America? What would you say it is? Is it gut or is it hormone? Well, that's tricky. But you did hit the two top of the six-point model that are probably the biggest issues. So you said, what is it? Well, you know, there's always more than one answer. So I'll kind of load this answer. But, of course, our biggest issue in America mostly is diet.
• 26:30
  overeating, not in your case, you were the opposite, but overeating, over consuming, inappropriate diet, which then causes gut issues, which then causes, you know, nutrient depletion, lack of absorption, inflammation, autoimmune reactions, food sensitive, I could go on and on. So that's our biggest thing. I mean, if we cleaned up our diet,
• 26:52
  For you out there, if you have an issue, clean up your diet. Eat from the earth. Or if it's walking on the earth. You know what I mean? Yeah. You know, non-processed. And what, you know, hey, your great-grandmother was eating or cooking or making or whatever. Okay?
• 27:07
  That alone, but just our food industry and what we consume and all that, and a lot of it's media and putting our face and all that. I don't even blame the people as much as just the whole system. You know what I mean? But if you clean that up, that's huge. But you mentioned hormones. That's a whole other thing we can get into.
• 27:24
  It is huge because we're seeing an epidemic decline in hormones, aged match that we've never seen before. And not just in men, in women. Infertility is higher than it's ever been. And there's reasons for this, which are endocrine disruptors, toxins in the world, toxins what we eat, breathe, etc. But gut and hormones, I can't give you one answer. We could do a whole podcast on just that. I could have a whole practice just on...
• 27:50
  Any of my six point model. The toxins in the world of what we eat and what we take in and just the competition in the world today. Like me, I feel like I have to freaking go, go, go, go. So the moment I wake up, I just learned my mind was I had to be harder than life every day. That's the name of it. I got to be hard. No, I don't.
• 28:09
  Harder than life in me is just being and not always doing. It used to be do, do, do, go, go, go, because the competition is bringing it on my back. Hey, guess what the competition is doing? Isn't freaking relaxing. What did I text you yesterday? What did I text you? We didn't talk before the show, right? What did I text you yesterday? I told you I was at the Tiger. You said life balanced. I said, you're living life the right way. And you said it's balanced. I text. Yeah. Because it's any, any, too much of anything isn't good.
• 28:37
  I had a guy, everything in moderation, including moderation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you just got to remember, everything's all balance. And I meant that, though, because, of course, you got to enjoy. I was at the Detroit Tigers game. I was fortunate. One of my buddies and good patients, actually, he's a lead singer of a rock band, I prevail. He invited me, and I'm like, I'm there, man, 100%, because I never go to Tiger games. I mean, I shouldn't say never, but I haven't been to a one-in-one.
• 28:59
  A couple of years. Oh, no, I went last year. But anyway, the point is, is that I was like, yeah, you got to enjoy life. You know, you got to enjoy life and you got to slow down sometimes, too, and not just be grinding. I'm a grinder, just like you. But you have to sometimes pump the brakes.
• 29:14
  Yeah, it's in those sacred pauses. So I want to do a disservice for you, and I want to make sure people understand. He just told you, don't come to him if you think it's going to be easy and cheap.
• 29:29
  Because it's not a quick fix. He's not going to prescribe you a Zempick. He's not going to do, it's not that kind of practice. You have to come in and do the work. That's what I like telling people in my business and in my coaching. It's, guys, we stress results, just like you said. For sure. He runs EOS, Entrepreneur Operating System, and his company as well. Everything starts with core values, and I would bet. I can't remember what your core values, but I remember they aligned with ours. I'll bet you one of them is results.
• 29:54
  In that, yes. In so many words. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. If you're coming. But one thing you said, if I can touch upon me and interrupt you, I just want to tell you this, because this is a mistake. Whether people come and see me or not, okay, this is one thing that I'm going to say a public service announcement, okay? No. No.
• 30:14
  Do yourself a favor in this. See somebody that's all-encompassing, that doesn't run thousands of dollars in tests, that they have no idea what to do with them, and or after $2,000, $3,000 in tests, they give you some or so deep dive into who you're seeing. And the reason I say this is this. I'll have people come to us.
• 30:39
  and they've been struggling and it's it's i mean this is real health stuff sometimes it's not just energy it's like they got autoimmune disease you know maybe they used to have cancer you know they maybe have mind body stuff they've lost uh literally i have somebody i saw yesterday that this is horrible her son at 16 died of sarcoma and so it's obviously there's a lot of psychological mind body stuff going on with her my point is this though somebody will come into me frustrated
• 31:04
  Because they've been to other places, spent thousands of dollars. And time. And time, which is money. Oh. And then guess what? They're not that complicated.
• 31:14
  Because we look at, we set the goals, we look at the model, we look at what they need, and it's like, oh my gosh. And I'm telling you, I see this all the time. And what's sad is, is that there's so many, and I don't want to knock the whole functional holistic system, but I will say this a little bit. Is this that know who you're seeing because there's a lot of practitioners, doctors out there that do tons and thousands of dollars of testing and don't really understand the physiology itself.
• 31:43
  and the background of what to do with it and so that you can be healthy and get better. So, you know, a public service announcement. What drove me nuts, and it's funny, my girlfriend just went through this thing. And I need to say this, I don't need a new patient. I'm not trying to sell this. You know I'm very busy. You know that. You pulled up, ladies and gentlemen, you pulled up in a brand new vat, look good. And look, this is not for that. This is to do good for people and get people healthy.
• 32:09
  I believe a united America, we're not going to go into politics, but a united America, a healthy America, a good mindful America. All too often I take in social media, the people that I'm getting abused by are people sitting on the couch getting fat. So it's like, hey.
• 32:26
  I just do what I do. I don't take days off. It works for me. It's going forward. So no, I'm not. But I do want to put you on the spot and I want, I'd like to answer. This is going to be a tough one. You're not going to want to answer this, but if you had to go to one or the other, a traditional primary care physician or a holistic doctor, who are you going to if you're relatively healthy, but you just want to go to the next level? Yeah. So, so you got to define that though. What's a holistic doctor?
• 32:56
  Well, I mean, I mean, there's because it's a very here's why I'm saying tongue in cheek a bit. That's really a very vague area right now. But I just say anybody other than a family practice, a general practitioner, anybody other than a person who's going to go prescribe you a medicine. Yeah. Well, I think this is, you know, knowledge is power. And I think so. I want to be clear. Everybody, everybody should because we're sicker.
• 33:23
  We're living longer, but we're living sicker. That's statistics. Is that really living? Yeah, okay. So, but I wanna say this is that, so everybody, you know, if they, by the way, if you have a loved one, if you have a child, if you have a family that people love and care about you and put time into you, put time into yourself, everybody should at least see somebody, a practitioner, a doctor, you know. I'm gonna say the first thing you should, I mean, now you said, I'm gonna get to your answer, your question, I'm sorry, but,
• 33:50
  You should at least get a yearly checkup and see your traditional family practice doctor and all that. When should they start that? Like if you're at 25, at 30? Oh, God, great question. I love this because we didn't prep this either. This is awesome. I love this. That's what we're supposed to do. No, because you asked me this. No, no, this is great. I tell people when I get a, I say about 30. Okay. 30, 35, and here's why. You could feel great. 30, 35 is this. If you see somebody that's good,
• 34:19
  And if you don't walk out, but listen, get your hormones tested, all your hormones, thyroid, testosterone, DHA, cortisol, insulin, blood sugar. Okay. Those all, you know, I mean, if we go into more hormones, but my point of those are key ones. Okay. And those are key at 30, 35. Why? That is typically when you're optimal.
• 34:40
  I mean, obviously you might be a little optimal at 25 30, but you're typically 30 35, you know, is not statistically where we see that much of a decline yet. It can happen, but not yet. My point is this. How do you know where you're going if you don't know where you've been? Okay. In the range of hormones specifically. So this is why I don't mean to, you know, kind of sidetrack your question, but the range of hormones is very, very drastic.
• 35:05
  a 200 deciliter, okay. To a seven 50 deciliter for a total testosterone. So that means you're two 50 or normal. If you have a 35 year old, 30 year old, you'll, you'll get that test and the doctor will go, okay, you I'm pretending I'm the doctor that you wanted this test. They did your testosterone. It's normal. Okay. The guy walks out.
• 35:27
  It's 250 and he's 35 years old or 30 years old. That is extremely low. Now let's say he has no symptoms. He has nothing. Okay. God bless him. But at least he's got a data point when he has a symptom because now he might not get because there's a thing called hormone receptor activity and he might not hit that decline in hormone receptor activity.
• 35:48
  till maybe 180 or 200. And these are extremely low numbers, but I'm being extreme here. Yeah, I actually know that. Okay, these are extremely low numbers. But my point is this, all of a sudden, now he goes back to that guy or somebody else and goes, you know, I'm depressed. I really feel like down, I'm like dark. I'm like, I got seasonal affective disorder. I'm kind of sad or I'm, or by the way, my wife, because this happens too.
• 36:11
  They're only here because their wife, because they're grumpy and pissy and miserable. Okay. This happens. I'm telling you real stories. So guess what? He doesn't want to be here, but I go, well, you know, it's funny. Three years ago, I drew your lab and it wasn't great. We talked about it. We talked about actionables, but you know, you didn't really have symptoms and you didn't want to do anything about it. So that's cool. And you didn't really have any symptoms, but now you're down like even lower and you're having a symptom. Okay. Okay.
• 36:37
  We're not going up with aging. We're going down, you know, hormonally. So the point here is, is that when you get a lab test and hormones and things like this and a checkup, a good checkup at 30, 35, you have a lot of baseline data points to compare to. I just wrote down, I wrote baseline data because literally you have to establish a foundation of where you're at. And the part about what you, and we haven't even talked about the technology that you use and how you weave it in.
• 37:03
  No, let's do it. Because think about a traditional medicine doctor. He's going to look at your EMR, your chart, your electronic chart, and just look at your last couple things in that five to seven minutes. Yeah. And you have actually deep-dived in that before you actually walk in, and you've got...
• 37:20
  all of the past and you've known it. So you established it based on, you're looking at trends. Trends, always trends. And then you can also, now we're going to get into this eventually, is the AI model of saying, okay, a typical 48 year old who is active like me, you're not going to treat me the same way you would treat another person that isn't as active, as big of a weight lifter. And you can adjust everything.
• 37:46
  On the curve, actually. The bell curve, actually, is what it would be. For sure. That's where I got to the point is how I said earlier, I run your body like a business. Okay? And that sounds weird to some people, but I want to explain, is you don't wait until you can't pay your employees.
• 38:03
  No one does that. They wouldn't be in business. No one waits till like, oh, we're out of that. We're out of stock or we nobody does that. Okay. You you track metrics, whether it's you alone or you have a inflator, you know, a staff, you know, supportive staff or whatever. You're tracking things so that you can stay in business and thrive. We do this exactly the same way with your body, which helps you, by the way.
• 38:23
  Solve goals, be, you know, feel great, be energetic and everything. I would say making a generational impact. And the reason is because it'll go in your home. It'll go to your spouse or your significant other. It just, you know, it multiplies. But also we play the long game. Like I said, I don't want people dropping on my dime. So we literally will cardiac test, you know, neurodegenerative test, you name it. So my point here is that we run your body like we track those metrics.
• 38:51
  Because that's how you do true prevention, just like you have a great business. I was going to say, don't wait until it's too late, guys. Yeah. Because a lot of these, especially some of these cancers, you can check precursors on some of this advanced AI testing now where you can say, hey, you're a precursor to this. We need to watch out and we need to keep watching. And you can actually prevent this.
• 39:14
  The thing that's the biggest killer there is, especially to you read more and more of the number two cause of death is cancer. Okay. It could flip here post-COVID. And that's a whole nother podcast. I'm happy to do explain it all the physiology. Wait, wait, you went there. The spike proteins and everything. Can you share with me? Is the vaccine causing some of this stuff? Is there a correlation there? I don't mind saying it. Of course.
• 39:38
  And COVID. They're both. That's why it'll never be definitive because the reality is they both mimic like each other. So how do you how do you in a study do good data on that? You can't because the vaccine and COVID.
• 39:50
  What's what? And they're still pushing this on us. You know, you go to the freaking drugstore now. They're like, hey, you want your COVID and your flu shot? No, thank you. I'd like to live. I mean, you're seeing these heart attacks happen at an alarming rate of young people. I'm going to do another public service announcement. Is that okay? Yeah, yeah. It's a big audience here. So we're here to help everybody. We've got to be part of the life. Here you go. If you've had COVID...
• 40:14
  recently, or if you've had the vaccine, and this is going to, it's only about a 10, 15% in my practice. So in my clinical practice in the data, cause we do some studies in our practice and follow trends like we're talking. Okay. It's only about 15%. It's close to that. I haven't looked at it lately. Okay. But if you've been COVID vaccinated and, or you've had COVID-19 infection in the last six months, you should always have a blood test. That's called a D-dimer and a
• 40:42
  from COVID to vaccine and everything. And there's many. There's immune suppression and everything. But my point to this is you get hypercoagulable. Your fibrinogen gets higher. Your blood gets thicker. Your microclotting goes up. Okay? My point here is this. I'm talking very general. You've got a guy that's got some early cardiovascular disease. You've got somebody that's got some peripheral vascular disease. He's 50, 60, 70, you name it or whatever. They don't know that's going on. It's there.
• 41:11
  They are now all of a sudden hypercoagulable from this. They're over their infection and or they got the vaccine, whatever, or both. My point, though, is that they're hypercoagulable. Of course, it's going to happen. For the listeners, guys, that means the blood is thickening up. Your blood gets thick.
• 41:27
  Yeah. Your blood gets sick. In autopsies. This is documented. You can look this up. I'm hearing this right now. So whatever this COVID is causing you to have the freaking heart, he's explaining it to you right now, people. So go back and listen to that. And then I'm sorry. Keep going.
• 41:42
  Well, no, but just in autopsies, they're pulling out fibrinogen clots, which are like thread-like clots, okay? And this was going on during COVID, and it's still happening. But she just, again, you have to know your body. There's a book out. I love the saying, the body keeps the score. You don't get over, you know, it's always there. You add something that's going to make you blood-thick, hyper-coaggable. It's a bad storm. So the two tests one more time are?
• 42:07
  D-dimer and fibrinogen. Fibrinogen. D-dimer and fibrinogen. Now, I did say this. I did say this, just to be clear. In my practice, in our studies and our data, it's only about 15% of people. It doesn't happen to everybody. Right. But 15% is a lot. Yeah. So you could go get your test and, oh, it was normal. That doc's crazy. Well, call me crazy or whatever, but if we save 15 people out of 100,
• 42:31
  Sign me up. Hey, if I'm one of those 15, I want it. So my next question was going to be with over 27 years in the field, what are the most significant changes you've seen in the landscape of longevity and functional medicine? We kind of just talked a little bit about it. So let's go into the AI as well as anything else you'd like to add about, hell, there's Ozempic we haven't even talked about. There's too much. Yeah.
• 42:54
  It's insane. What happened to just good old American, let's just eat right, work out, and be nice to each other? Yeah. Well, let's do it. I'm on board, man. Let's do it, baby. I'll put you out of business. No, no, no. Don't worry. Let me tell you. Human nature can't put me out of business.
• 43:14
  I have all these Italian restaurant owners, you know, my saying is I'm going to come up and they see me and I'm getting them to lose weight and all that. And I'm telling them to be gluten free. You know, they're Italian. They only use Italian restaurants in our area, you know. And I'm like, you know, just so you know, I'm bad for business.
• 43:30
  Their business. So what are you seeing? Let's talk about the way with gluten free. What do you see? You asked me something I want to answer. I'm sorry. So just no, but, you know, like technology and, you know, some of the new things, you know, there's so many. But I definitely want to hit upon this just because it's true prevention. I'm big about true prevention. Okay.
• 43:50
  And that is, there's a test now in blood, Medicare in January of 2025, okay, so that's for people that are over 65 that have Medicare, it will be fully covered. Right now it's been out for two years. The cost of the test has been about $800, but it's a cancer methylation cell screening test for 50 solid tumors. It's called the gallery test by a company called Grail, okay, which is on the public exchange, et cetera.
• 44:18
  Very, very good test. But here's the thing is we have to think of cancer as a chronic disease. If we think of and screen and treat cancer as a chronic disease, millions and millions of people.
• 44:33
  will survive cancer. The data on stage three and four cancer is horrible as far as five-year survival, meaning you have to catch people at stage zero and stage one, and even twos are kind of on the border. Point is this. This test checks in a cell type when you have a circulating methylation cell type that comes from the cancer that they can track and they can pick up.
• 44:56
  And some of the solid tumors are better than others. But the point is this one lab test that I think right now, don't quote me. You can look it up. You can call them grail gallery. I think it's about 600 bucks until, you know, right now. I think it was about a thousand. Okay. But it's about down to about six, 650. Okay.
• 45:12
  Insurance doesn't cover it. January 2025, Medicare is getting on board and covering it. The point of this is that you can do that test once a year, depending on risk. You know, some people, they don't need it once a year, do every three years or whatever. But you would catch somebody in stage zero or stage one cancer, not only life-saving, but treatment-saving. You know how hell it is to go through chemotherapy and radiation, even if you survive, you're going to get it.
• 45:36
  It will destroy your I mean, it's it's it's like a it's a it's a no win. And you know, what do you mean? I lived I did chemo and radiation. It's a no win. By the way, when I sign that for it, if I was a stage three or four, probably again, that's a very general statement. But my point is this, the treatment kills and destroys our DNA. So your long game all of a sudden ain't a long game.
• 45:55
  I mean, you're destroyed from that treatment. So think of the difference, not just money, not just obviously life and comfort and family and I can go on and on. Stage zero and stage one, those are curable, chronic disease type stuff. Easy.
• 46:11
  Easy. That's pretty exciting. Well, it's crazy. I mean, we've been doing this test in our office for two years, but the data has gotten better and better. Obviously, that's why they've gone public, that company. And for Medicare to get on board with that. That's huge. That's huge. That means the government. The government said, it's all another topic, but they said, hey, this is worth it because we'll probably save some money.
• 46:34
  Well, that's what my next question was this. That's right. Guys, you've made it 45 minutes. Oh, I'm sorry. Stick with it this far because we're going to we're going to wrap up some of these these health related questions. We're going to have some fun with him. I know personally he's got a great life. I want to talk about it. But I want to ask you one that you just came up with is.
• 46:54
  Cancer is a big business. It's billions, probably in the trillions of dollars of business. Would they really want to put cancer out of business? Do they want to cure cancer? Well, we're not going to put it out. First of all, it's too dynamic of a...
• 47:10
  disease to really, you know, I mean, at least right now, as I speak right now, and, you know, there's so many factors that play a role that feed into cancer, but it ain't going away. But that's what I said. But what could help? Is this our mindset change? Like we think of hypertension as a chronic disease.
• 47:28
  We think of heart disease early on. Well, he's got, you know, I got some heart stuff. Chronic disease, diabetes, chronic disease. Okay. Meaning treatable. People live into their 70s, 80s, 90s. You know, they can. Okay. Let's think of cancer like screening like that. That's what I'm saying. So, you know, it's a whole loaded question as far as money and government and saving and blah, blah, blah. Okay. And do they want it cured? You know, probably not.
• 47:52
  But I don't think there's any chance that there, you know, unless something drastically changes in the future. You know what I mean? As far as, you know, but no, it's a moneymaker for sure.
• 48:04
  I got two questions, two more, three more questions that are about because you're just, this is just fabulous. I hope you guys are enjoying this as much as I am. Please rate this and share it. Go follow Dr. Lorenz on social media. It's really longevity health. We'll be in the show notes. I'll be on next week. No, I'm joking. But the, there was something specific I want to ask about. Oh, what are we going to do with all the people that you keep living into their hundreds? What are we going to do? Hmm.
• 48:29
  That's a great problem to have though, isn't it? That's a great. That was a loaded question. I've never been asked that. It's a problem. It is a real problem. Think about the infrastructure in the world. Oh, I know. It's a huge problem. You're going to have more people on the roads. You're going to have more people on the internet. There's more just people to consume things. It actually creates that wheel of, okay, how do we mass produce more food faster?
• 48:54
  You can only have so many – the infrastructure can only handle so much. So it's a very interesting question. No, it's a great question. I'm going to say this. And this is – but I doubt that it will ever happen. And I hope it happens. But here's the reason I say that is because of this.
• 49:12
  Human nature. Yeah. Yeah. I hate to say that human nature, you know, between the food and the toxins and the, you know, environmental pollutants and, you know, just the way the world is and going. I mean, you know, can people that are trying, trying to thrive, trying to live healthier and better and do good things, can they live and last longer? Absolutely. But when you talk about the populace at masses.
• 49:39
  I think, you know, like I said, sadly, the bigger issue is this. And this is a this is a podcast number four. I think we're getting into. But the big will be this is what are we going to do? Because it's happening now. And it's a big thing. You know, I mean, hey, you want to invest money. I'll tell you where you put money. You put money in these extra care facilities. Yeah. Yeah.
• 50:00
  these dementia facilities, these, you know, nursing homes, et cetera. They're building them everywhere, by the way, but they can't keep up. We're living longer and sicker. So that's really the issue is, you know, where do we end up?
• 50:16
  in that place in the next, say, 20, 30 years. Hey, guys, remember, people are like, oh, I can't afford this. We've all seen the reel out there where it says, if I gave you a million dollars, you'd be super happy. But if I say, I gave you a million dollars, you wouldn't wake up tomorrow, you wouldn't be, and you wouldn't take the million dollars. Money doesn't create happiness. I've said it a thousand times. It never does. But happiness creates money. Yeah. So, guys, these tests that he's talking about, get them done. I've had them all done. One of your six principles is liver.
• 50:45
  So my big story is that they're going low. Were you at the Tiger games with me last night? You talking about my liver?
• 50:54
  How often are you seeing the fad that I'm seeing with a lot of people going low and no on alcohol? Oh, yeah. I mean, it's because it's, you know, absolutely, for sure. Statistically, in the country, we're going up on alcohol. Oh, no. No, no, since COVID. I mean, it's out there. Yeah, that's so, yeah. Since COVID, alcohol went through the roof. So less people are drinking more. Correct.
• 51:18
  Correct. Especially here in Detroit. No, no, this is legit. You're right. Yeah. Maybe in Detroit in the winter. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think the summer does pretty well on the lake too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, but no, no, but, uh, but no, I do see that. Here's the thing is, but I mean, I'm skewed because I have people that are proactive. They want to come in and they want to get better. They want to, you know, so a lot of my patients, you know, you see, I'm just hypothetically, they're 80, 90% better. We've reset goals. Maybe they've been with me a year or two, three years, whatever.
• 51:46
  OK, a big one does become like even their commitment because they realize, look, man, I'm doing great. I'm so healthy. Sometimes one of the key X factors that is holding them back is alcohol, you know, is too much or drinking at all or, you know, what have you, you know.
• 52:04
  So what advice would you give someone starting their journey towards longevity and optimal health? Not everybody. See, you and I live it. There's people listening to podcasts. We're top 20 now that are like, what is it? Congrats, by the way. Thank you. When we get to number one, we'll be very happy. We're trying. We just try to entertain and we model and inspire. And literally, it's really easy when you're in alignment. I live and breathe this stuff.
• 52:26
  So it's, it's, I love it. I love to tell and share, and we're going to get guys, you've made it this far. We're going to get into some personal stuff with this fricking winner over here. He's what it's all we want to do. So what should people, someone's listening to this, uh, typical demographic with the heart of life is 25 to 55 years old. And he's like, God, Kelly keeps bringing on these doctors telling me not to drink, telling me to be healthy. What should they do first? Um, you know, it, it, it,
• 52:56
  25 to 55, I think the biggest thing is this. I already said it, but I mean, because you can live right. You can exercise, move, eat right, sleep right, do all those things. Get some baseline labs. And you're going to say, really? Because like I said, remember, I said we're in an epidemic of hormone decline.
• 53:13
  I mean, we see it. So whether so they're doing the good stuff or they aren't whatever that is, but get the lab test, get the baseline stuff that you need at thirty five, forty. Some people, by the way, I'll get a 50 year old in my office that's got, I mean, five drugs, by the way.
• 53:29
  Multi-millionaires owns businesses and everything so many money's at an issue. That was my point of saying that no no Money's not an issue and they're on five drugs. They've never had their hormones tested They like their internist which by the way, I'm not knocking the internist got a place believe me So I respect them. My point is okay. They're running the hospitals and the sick people and all that So that's why you got you know
• 53:50
  You got to say kudos to them. That's not a fun job. But my point here is they like them. Good relationship. They see them twice a year. They get their meds. Okay. 50 years old and they have the bank to support anything they would want to do. And they got all these medical issues and end up in my office and never had their hormones, never had a nutrient looked at. You know, well, yeah, your cholesterol is good. I always say this. They got the blessing.
• 54:15
  And they moved on. The healthcare environment doesn't lead to that either. No, no, no. Because if you order blood tests, if that intern orders the same similar mock-up blood, the codes that you have to put in to get it covered, we'll deny it.
• 54:31
  For sure. So do they have to, can they go to their internship? Say, I just want my blood panel drawn or do they have to come to someone like you? It depends. It's really dependent on the, the, the, you know, the, uh, internist, the doctor is really is, I mean, there's codes you can write and do based on some symptoms that cover stuff, but let's just say this and I'm doing devil's advocate because the expense in labs is not that much. Cause let me tell you, you pay cash for some labs nowadays, 300 bucks.
• 54:56
  Like for, I mean, I mean a deep dive. That's everything. I'm not saying genetics and that, but I'm just saying the hormones and some nutrients and some pretty good stuff. Cash, 300 bucks. Yeah. You know what I mean? Guys, you can do it. I'm going to steal his thunder for a second. I apologize. There is several people I've had on this podcast that do this tele, tele. So I'm going to, I'm going to double down on what he just said.
• 55:18
  Get your labs done. There's so many ways to get it done. You don't have to go to him, but get it done because it establishes that baseline. It is affordable. And remember, three hundred dollars was the high end. There's thirty dollar test that you can do. They could send it to your house and they could give you basic dispositions. Just make sure you got somebody that you're confident. You're confident. Not like, you know, not like wheel and deal. And not by the way, I'll say this, too.
• 55:46
  What you're paying does not mean there's value. I mean, you know what I'm saying? Well, in IT, you get what you pay for. Yeah. But in healthcare, it is not true. There's some models out there where they're all cash-based. They don't take any type of – we take some insurance. We use your insurance for what we can. That's the effort.
• 56:06
  Yeah, we do use your insurance for what we can. And because we order MRIs or we find disease or we uncover something that's not been, we use your insurance. It's just that we're a membership model and concierge because literally I'm at the Tiger game and some of my concierge patients that I personally see –
• 56:22
  Yeah, they'll text me. They got some issue or some concern. They're able to text me directly. If they're bugging me about their fingernail hurts, I might give them a little trouble. But we usually have good relationships. But my point, though, is that you can get some of these tests done.
• 56:42
  Just know that you have confidence and you know, you don't have to pay an arm and a leg. Okay, just to get these tests done and have some direction, but don't just just do your research. That's my point. And then I've got so many of these blood tests on get the copy for yourself. Because then you can share with with with Jim with anybody and just say here, they read it and said this and you can get second and third and fourth opinion.
• 57:08
  What I especially admire about you is you're living life the right way. You're not a typical doctor with the glasses that's looking over the freaking clipboard. But I can't see right now. Good. You're looking into a mirror. This is handsome. So what I admire is you're living life the right way in all facets. And I like to go to people that are winning in the areas that I want to win. And all too often we go take advice from someone, like relationship advice from someone who's not even married.
• 57:38
  So this is a gentleman who runs a business that's very successful on a system that we use. He's in good shape. If you're not watching us on YouTube, he's in fantastic shape. He's successful financially. He's successful internally. He's got a beautiful wife that I've met and is supportive. He's got a podcast. He's winning.
• 57:56
  So let's have some fun and talk about this. So this guy has a personality. He's not like, I asked him at first, and usually when doctors, you ask, what do you want me to call you? Doctor. You're like, call me Jim, man. And so he has a personality. So you're going to get entertained? Oh, I have a personality. I tell my kids, my youngest now is 13, 13 to 27. When all my kids are- How old are you? 55. Get out of town. You look great. Wow. I thought you were 45. Wow.
• 58:23
  Well, making me look bad now. All right. Fifty five. Twenty seven to thirteen. Yeah. Well, so he's sexually active, guys. Yeah.
• 58:31
  You see his wife, you'll see why she's gorgeous. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm blessed. She's, she's a sweetheart. You did the word. Yeah. I don't know how she deals with me, but that's a whole nother podcast. The, no, the, um, but my kids, this is funny. Cause you said about the doctor thing, you know, is my kids. I love this man. They, when they're, and this is all of them, I did it to all of them. So the 13 year old, he's kind of getting over it now, but you know, bringing kid over to the house, one of their friends, you know, whatever. And I first meet him and they're like, Oh, Hey, you know, Hey, Mr. Lerner.
• 58:58
  Lawrence, how you doing? You know, they're all scared when they're 10, 12, 13, 15, whatever. And I'm like, hey, nice meeting you. I'm like, call me doctor.
• 59:05
  It embarrasses the hell out of my kids. Like, Dad, I can't believe you said that. And they don't know how to take it. And then my wife smacks me. But no, it's just funny. Now, that's about the only people I make call me doctor. Wait until the podcast closes up and you get to be done. But I do. I have two girls. So I look at them. Dude, you're going to be rolling up on my daughter in a bit. So you're going to be scared of me. How old are the daughters? 20 and 27. And neither one are married yet? No. One's close. Okay. Kind of close.
• 59:34
  It's the, you know, I have a daughter, she's 15. It's the best, it's the most humbling thing in the world. Because what I say, when you have a son, you worry about one penis and when you got a daughter, you gotta worry about them all. Yeah, that's a very good point, yeah. And I got a beautiful one. Yeah, yeah. And I do have a son, I do have a son, I gotta shout out to him. He's in the USS Truman, he's in the Navy. So he right now is in the Red Sea. Got his last nine months in the Navy, real proud of him, so.
• 59:57
  A whole other podcast where we talk about how they think about our beautiful military. Thank you for his service. Thank you. And I'm not surprised. You have a family full of winners. Winners beget winners. So look at you coming from your parents. Hey, do the right thing.
• 1:00:14
  You know, do whatever you're doing. You got to do the right thing. All the other good stuff follows if you're doing the right thing. And the right thing, guys, is do unto others as you would want them to do unto you. It's very simple. So we're going to have some funny questions. If you could pick one thing, because you're an avid outdoorsman. Mountain biking, motocross, or hockey, what would it be and why? What age? Right now. Well, tomorrow I'm going motocrossing.
• 1:00:42
  I love it. I know it sounds great. I grew up racing motocross and then I got into mountain bike and race mountain bike. So, but the funny thing I said, what age? Cause a hundred percent, you know, doubling down when I was younger, it was all motocross. Anything, anything risk taking I loved, you know? Um, but, uh, funny thing is I'm getting in more into, you know, Hey, I am 55. So I'm slowing down a little bit, not a lot, a little bit. And so golf, I'm getting into more of that stuff. So I enjoy it all.
• 1:01:09
  Pickleball? You're going to play pickleball? I've only done it once. I played squash and actually won a state title on squash. But that was years ago. That kind of, believe it or not, squash beats you up, that racket sport. I mean, it's a lot of lunging, diving, all that. I was like in my 30s, early 40s. I'd go to work limping. Like people, you have no idea how tough that sport is because the rallies go forever. But I've only played pickleball once.
• 1:01:29
  I liked it. It was on a vacation. I liked it, but you can only do so much. So I pick my times. In the winter, I tend to skate a little and play hockey because the weather here is bad. Maybe this year I'll do a little pickleball. We'll see.
• 1:01:45
  I love that winners beget – there's a different way – I always call it – there's a different method to the quarterback. And for me, I employ 25 or 30 people like you do. I have a daughter. Everybody relies on me. I don't do anything that puts me at risk at all. You talk to my wife. No, I love that. Yeah.
• 1:02:09
  Well, I keep my wheels on the ground now. I'm not jumping. Okay. Okay. So it's trail riding. I got my buddies. I ride with, we rode our whole lives. I have actually guys down in all over the country that we get together with and still do some riding. Not a lot. I mean, if I ride five, six days a summer here, but I love it because it's outdoor. It's exciting. People don't realize this.
• 1:02:31
  This is because I take care of some pro motocross guys and and Roger DeCoster, which is like the team leader of KTM and great guy. He's 83 guys still, by the way, on his 83rd birthday this year. I think I'm getting his birthday right. He he lives in California right now, but his wife texts me. He's like he went on road 80 miles.
• 1:02:50
  And it's on his bike and it's, you know, now he's a biker, you know, road biker, you know, but, but I mean, anyway, so, um, but my point here is, you know, with, uh, it's, uh, you just, you just, you know, you got to do what you love. I do modify things like what you're bringing up conservatively, you know, cause I don't want to put myself at too much risk. So I'm, I'm careful. I, and, and part of being careful and it is, I mean, doing this, you know, intentionally, um,
• 1:03:16
  I can't ride three weeks a year, too much risk, but a few days. Well, your muscles. Yeah, listen, I'm a couple of years younger than you and my muscles start hurting. Anything I do, yeah, I got to be careful. So another question, what's your favorite guilty pleasure snack that doesn't quite fit in the longevity category?
• 1:03:36
  God, you did talk to my wife. Let's see here. It's always late at night. It's usually after I've done way too much cardio and had too much stress of the day because I do mix up between the weights and cardio and all that. Sometimes when I overdo the cardio, I'm like still hungry at night. You know what I mean? Yeah.
• 1:03:51
  It's just chocolate, like chocolate or cookies, chocolate chip cookies or that kind of stuff at night. I'm a chocoholic for sure. We didn't even get into your daily routines because it's going to sound just a lot like mine. And I guarantee you, we're going to have to run this back, but we're getting up against it. So between you, your wife, Victoria, your four kids and your two dogs, who has the quirkiest habit and what is it?
• 1:04:15
  Oh, wow. Quirkiest habit. And what is it? You know, this is my wife's going to kill me. It's my wife, Victoria, because she digs this. This is like, no, this she likes this. What I will tell you is like, and yes, I'm blessed because of this, but it is weird. I'm like, I don't get this. She loves to vacuum. And she's very athletic. She works out. It's not like she doesn't like, you know, I mean, she has, you know, she's she's like she doesn't show vacuum twice a day.
• 1:04:43
  And she's like, it's therapeutic to me. I just love it. Don't quit picking on me. And I'm like, babe, I mean, I appreciate it. But I do find it interesting. She really, she loves it. So by the way, when I'm in a bad spot, you know, and I'm on the list, you know, what do I do? Start vacuuming? A hundred percent. A hundred percent. So he's smart, people. He's smart. I pull out the vacuum. That's hilarious. Is there anything about you that people might be surprised to know?
• 1:05:12
  I will say this because I have a lot of energy and I'm very sports active. I've been that wild child as a kid, long hair. No one thought I could go to medical school. I always like people that discount me and I was told I couldn't make it through medical school by many people. People don't believe, maybe because I'm a doctor, they believe this, but I read a lot.
• 1:05:42
  I read a lot. I get up every morning. I read biblical stuff in the morning and I read science stuff after that before I work out or anything. Did it this morning. And, uh, and my wife's a big reader and she's actually a writer. She's working on a memoir right now. I'm actually working on a book. It'll be out about four, four months, but that shocks people. They're like, ah, by the way, there's no, they're like, there's no reason. There's no way he sits still that much to read a book.
• 1:06:08
  That's what my kids say. And I'm like, well, you just have to get up at 5, 6 o'clock with me and you'll see me reading. You talk about vacuuming. When I read, I relax. It puts me to sleep. Even though I get through it, I read a chapter a day and I make sure I get it. That's another...
• 1:06:23
  it's under their radar winning habit. Yeah. Read, expand your mind. Yeah. Uh, even if it's just listening to an audio book, what's the name of your book? Can you say it? Well, we're working on a few different, a few different names. Um, but, um, I,
• 1:06:38
  I can tell you what it's generally about. What is it about? We'll have you back on, because one of the things that we do, all these books are people that have been on the podcast, so I read their books, and then we have them back out. So we'll have you back on when it comes out. Love it, love it, yeah. Yeah, so yeah, about four months, four or five months. So it potentially might be the deep six. It potentially might be. The other one is the race you don't want to win, 10 seconds, because every 10 seconds in America someone dies.
• 1:07:07
  and we're working on a few others, but the title isn't, I don't know if, well you read a book, of course, it sometimes comes later organically. That was the last thing I came with, and then we've taken it to the next level. So some of these books too, and we gotta get out of here, because we're up against it, but some of these books, you need to read them, they're like showers. We shower every day because they work.
• 1:07:27
  Even though if you were to do the deep six and repeat it, repeat it, repeat it, it's worth it. It needs to be out there. It needs to be repeated because people think that, oh, of course, my gut, my hormones, my genetics, my liver, my mind and my body, my structure need to be intact. Of course that. But what are you doing about it? And when you're loading the book in your hand, you're going to do something about it. So, Jim. And I love that. And that's very true. What you just said. That's so, so true because I see it day to day. You know what I mean?
• 1:07:57
  Two people on my mind right now. One, I text this morning at 6 a.m., one of my patients. Even my patients with my direction are getting into the weeds. Right?
• 1:08:05
  You know what I mean? Like the rabbit hole of whatever they think's going on. I know what's going on. Google's not your friend, people. So I'm like, so what am I doing? I'm on the – where I'm like, listen, you got off – we got a little off track. Just trust me, which he does. He's seen me for years. But it's like we're going to get you an answer. And my point, though, is, you know, with that is you got to focus on, you know, those six points are really key or see somebody that's willing to at least explore those if it's not us. So we have a – The longevity health institute.
• 1:08:33
  We have a new book coming out. It's going to be called Happier Than Life, and it's called The Siegel Operating System. I like that. I like that. The Siegel Operating System. It's going to be my six points. It's all these, but from a do perspective, meaning action, like the mind and body and the hormones, the gut, and the structural, big. That's the foundation of being harder than life. So anybody that is having trouble with their six inches between their ears, send them my way, and we'll get them.
• 1:08:59
  Yeah, we'll get them. And I should do the shout out to something just because I want to say this is that the six point model, the deep six, listen, it ain't rocket science. Okay, one of my mentors, Dr. Sijun, well she runs Sijun Medical Clinic, Dr. Patty, and long story short, she was a mentor to me and started this and started me in my health like 15, now it wasn't just like this, but it was just like,
• 1:09:29
  And this was like 20 years ago. And she's been doing, you know, practicing whatever holistic, functional, you know, medicine for a long time. And the point was even she's an Indian lady, a little older. I think now she lives on some island. Long story short was it was just about...
• 1:09:44
  Don't accept just one answer. You know what I mean? There may be two or three, meaning hormones, your gut, stress, are you sleeping, all that stuff. You know what I mean? Where people like, oh, I got low testosterone, boom, focus on testosterone. By the way, it's important, but that's all they are. You are not just low testosterone. Yeah, we didn't get into that. Before I found you,
• 1:10:09
  I just, I hate it. I'd ask them the same question and say, are you going to prescribe me the same thing no matter what my blood test says? And like, what do you mean? I'm like, the last 10 people, did they get the same fricking diagnosis? Did you give them the same cocktail? And if the answer is yes, I'm not coming to you. And I would, it just happened to a holistic doctor, to my girlfriend in Utah. And I said, this is what they're going to tell you to do.
• 1:10:33
  And she comes back, she's like, that's exactly what it is. Yeah. I knew it. Yeah. There's somebody out there. I don't want to say names, but in Michigan that does all this parasite stuff. Okay. Literally like they're a GI quote unquote holistic. Okay. And, and parasite. So my patients, I don't have many, but some other practitioners told me that they have a few patients that have come. So they're seeing us, which I don't know why they do this, but they see her Instagram or whatever. And they go deep dive into parasites. Sorry. I just take, I have to take a second. Okay. If no. Okay.
• 1:11:04
  It's like a surgeon. What do you think they're going to find?
• 1:11:08
  They're going to find parasites, and they're going to tell you you have parasites, and you need to be parasite tested, or excuse me, treated. It's like, oh my God, how can everybody that sees you has parasites? You said it. It is so simple. Everything in life is simple. We make it difficult. Jim, thanks for playing on the Heart of the Life podcast. I love it. Man, we could talk for hours. We're going to have you back again, and we're going to have one of those other five different jaunts that we talked about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But thanks for being on the show. No, thank you. Thank you very, very much. Pleasure.
• 1:11:42
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