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Credlin | 13 August · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on sky Ingins Australia. Good evening, Welcome
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Speaker 1: to the show. See price in sitting in for Peter Credlin.
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Speaker 1: Here's what's coming up on Credlin tonight. The Prime Minister
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Speaker 1: has this afternoon been praised by Hummas leader Sheik Hassan Yusef,
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Speaker 1: who calls ALBANIZI politically courageous, as I said he's gone
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Speaker 1: straight into a trap. We will talk with James Morrow
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Speaker 1: and Caroline Marcus first up with more detail on that.
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Speaker 1: Still on major foreign affairs issues, the Trump hooton meeting
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Speaker 1: that's set for Saturday morning Australian time. It's going to
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Speaker 1: happen now in Anchorage in Alaska. Greg Sheridan, the Australian's
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Speaker 1: Foreign editor, on what might come out of that meeting,
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Speaker 1: plus the big union push for a compulsory four day
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Speaker 1: workweek across Australia while it's on the table at next
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Speaker 1: week's economic roundtable in Canberra, but could it be a
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Speaker 1: disaster for our industry? And being Wednesday, Kel Richards will
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Speaker 1: be here our word master to round out the show.
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Speaker 1: First though, as Prime Minister Albanezi toured Brisbane today singing
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Speaker 1: the praises of solar panels. In a random backyard in
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Speaker 1: Brisbane on the other side of the world, Sheik Hassan
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Speaker 1: Yusuf figuratively lobbed a handgred eatee in the Prime Minister's
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Speaker 1: very own backyard. Now the Sheik, a seventy year old
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Speaker 1: Hammas veteran described as an extremist, Is there any other
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Speaker 1: kind of Hummas leader issued a statement that has done
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Speaker 1: not just critics of our pointless, politically motivated recognition of Palestine,
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Speaker 1: but I'm sure it will unsettle many in labor from
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Speaker 1: the right rather than the Palestinian supporting left. Think about it.
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Speaker 1: A senior member of a terrorist outfit declared as such
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Speaker 1: around the world and declared here as a terrorist outfit
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Speaker 1: with the nine papers they are reporting. Hamas claims that
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Speaker 1: this has vindicated its shock October seven attacks on Israel.
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Speaker 1: Let me repeat that and coach you missed it. Hammas
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Speaker 1: says it feels vindicated for October seven, where they slaughtered
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Speaker 1: and kidnapped twelve hundred innocent Israelis, beheading people, raping women,
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Speaker 1: murdering children and babies, and dragging Jews behind trucks through
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Speaker 1: Gaza Australia. According to this body, bloodthirsty outfit, gives them vindication.
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Speaker 1: How can that be? If possible? This statement gets worse Yusef,
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Speaker 1: by the way, is described as an extremist, one of
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Speaker 1: his own sons who called Hamas corrupt terrorists. He sort
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Speaker 1: of got that right. I imagine I would add homicidal maniacs,
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Speaker 1: hell bent on destroying Israel. Now the statement itself went
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Speaker 1: on with the shake, rejecting the idea that Hamas will
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Speaker 1: put down its arms in any piece deal now as
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Speaker 1: you recognition demands. Looking now, PM, this nasty supporter of terrorism,
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Speaker 1: this shake and the worst attack on Jews since the Holocaust,
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Speaker 1: went on to call our Prime minister, your prime minister
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Speaker 1: politically courageous care ages and urged other countries to actually
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Speaker 1: support them. Palestine, like Australia, has to end the suffering
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Speaker 1: being caused under Israeli occupation, all without disarming or handing
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Speaker 1: back hostages, or vowing to have no role in the
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Speaker 1: future in a future Palestine, all the key points that
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Speaker 1: our Prime Minister naively expected might actually happen with his
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Speaker 1: hollow gesture again attacked by US Secretary of State Marco Rubio.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and First of all, it's largely meaningless, right, it's symbolic,
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Speaker 2: and they're doing it primarily for one reason, and that
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Speaker 2: is their internal politics. They're domestic politics. The truth of
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Speaker 2: the matter is that the future of that region is
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Speaker 2: not going to be decided by some UN resolution, is
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Speaker 2: not going to be decided by some press release by
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Speaker 2: a prime minister or a president from some country. It's
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Speaker 2: going to be decided on the ground in fact. But
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Speaker 2: all these statements are meaningless, like they're not can't change anything.
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Speaker 1: That's our closest owl. Look. I deliberately use the word
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Speaker 1: naive in regard to the Prime Minister's understanding of Hamas
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Speaker 1: and Palestine. This morning, before the ship started patting him
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Speaker 1: on the back, the Prime Minister was asked on the
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Speaker 1: Today Show about his idea that Hammas won't play a
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Speaker 1: role in a recognized Palestinian state. His response to that
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Speaker 1: question from Karl Stefanovic says a lot.
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Speaker 3: Harmas is a terrorist organization. It has no role to
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Speaker 3: play and har Maas. I've seen some of the comments
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Speaker 3: that have been made about Hamas somehow being rewarded. Hamas
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Speaker 3: is opposed to two states. This is the opposite of
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Speaker 3: what har Maas wants.
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Speaker 1: That was this morning. Later today, Hamas told the Nine
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Speaker 1: papers that they felt vindicated by Anthony Albanezi recognizing Palestine.
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Speaker 1: Well this afternoon, the Opposition leader Susan Lee made a
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Speaker 1: defiant point of her own.
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Speaker 4: If you've got a listed terrorist organization cheering on your
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Speaker 4: foreign policy, it might be time to admit that you
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Speaker 4: got it wrong.
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Speaker 1: Look, I reckon. The Prime Minister has got a lot
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Speaker 1: of thinking to do today after that statement from shake Yusuf,
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Speaker 1: and he needs to talk to us, the Australian people,
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Speaker 1: about where this is all going and where it might
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Speaker 1: end up. It's head to camera down for tonight's political
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Speaker 1: headlines with Sky News reporter Trudy Macintosh.
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Speaker 4: The Prime Minister is declaring he's up for big reform
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Speaker 4: and next week's productivity roundtable.
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Speaker 3: There's some low hanging fruit out there that we can
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Speaker 3: get done.
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Speaker 4: The latest proposal on the menu the unions push for
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Speaker 4: a shorter work week, four days work with five days pay.
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Speaker 5: If you're working shorter hours but you're organizing work better,
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Speaker 5: you're more productive in the time that you're there, You
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Speaker 5: work more effectively.
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Speaker 6: Business groups straight out of the Gates calling this a
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Speaker 6: thought bubble.
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Speaker 1: We think that they want to have their cake and
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Speaker 1: edit too.
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Speaker 7: I mean, clearly you've got to have the productivity first.
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Speaker 8: Tell me how a small business here in Orange can
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Speaker 8: pay the same ah for someone doing four days work.
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't mind a six day and twenty three hour
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Speaker 3: work week myself rather than twenty four to seven. But
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Speaker 3: certainly the government has no plans.
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Speaker 6: Trudy Macintosh, Sky News, Canberra.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Trudy. I mean that's a bit rich, the
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister complaining about how hard he has to work
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Speaker 1: them in. Seriously, let's bring in our first panel for
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Speaker 1: tonight's Sky News Senior reporter Caroline Marcus Daly, Telegraph National
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Speaker 1: Affairs Editor, Sky News host. He does it all, James Morrow,
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Speaker 1: Great to see you both. I mean, earlier today, Hamas
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Speaker 1: welcomed Labour's decision to recognize a Palestinian state. Now. In
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Speaker 1: that statement, the co founder of Hamas rejected calls for
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Speaker 1: the group to disarm and claimed Australia's decision was vindication
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Speaker 1: of the October seven attack on Israel. Caroline, can it
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Speaker 1: get any worse for the Prime Minister when you've got
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Speaker 1: a someone who set mass up in the first place?
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Speaker 1: Saying that he thinks that October seven is now vindicated somehow.
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Speaker 9: Honestly, it can't get any worse than that. This kind
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Speaker 9: of endorsement is the kind that governments would dread. And
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Speaker 9: it completely shows how ridiculous Anthony Albaneze's arguments have been
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Speaker 9: that the recognition of a Palestinian state would be something
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Speaker 9: that Hamas would be against. I mean, this contradicts that entirely.
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Speaker 6: They're claiming that.
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Speaker 9: It shows why they should have staged one of the
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Speaker 9: worst massacres and terrorist events in history in October seven,
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Speaker 9: So they are entirely vindicated by this reward of a
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Speaker 9: recognition or moves to recognize a Palestinian state. And I mean,
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Speaker 9: but what kind of knucklehead in our prime minister who
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Speaker 9: can't even tell you what the sea is from the
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Speaker 9: river to the sea could possibly believe that this is
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Speaker 9: a move that wouldn't be used as propaganda by a
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Speaker 9: terrorist organization.
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Speaker 6: It just goes to show.
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Speaker 9: How little thought that they've put into the consequences of it,
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Speaker 9: or perhaps they've given thought, and even worse, they just
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Speaker 9: don't care. Because it just further plays into what Anthony
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Speaker 9: Albanezi's position has always been on this issue. He has
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Speaker 9: always been anti Israel, and now he is showing today
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Speaker 9: his true colors.
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Speaker 1: This week, James I went and checked and her mass
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Speaker 1: has put out similar statements endorsing the recognition of a
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Speaker 1: Palestine state by the UK, Canada and France. So Anthony Albanisi,
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Speaker 1: unless his office doesn't know what they're doing, would have
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Speaker 1: known that this was coming. Surely any sensible politician would
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Speaker 1: have addressed that before this came out of the blue,
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Speaker 1: with Channel nine newspapers asking how mus for a statement?
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Speaker 10: Well, yeah, and you know, I'm just gonna disgree with
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Speaker 10: Caroline for one second here. I agree with everything she
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Speaker 10: says except for the one thing where she said it
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Speaker 10: doesn't get any worse than this. I don't think we're
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Speaker 10: anywhere near the bottom on this saga here. But let's
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Speaker 10: go through the timeline here. On Monday, Anthony Albaniz he
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Speaker 10: gets up in the Parliamentary courtyard. He says, oh no, no, no, no,
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Speaker 10: this will isolate Hamas. Amas doesn't want this. Next day
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Speaker 10: he does the rounds of Breakfast TV. He goes on
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Speaker 10: the Today Show and he says, oh, well, you know,
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Speaker 10: this is a last thing Hamas wants. Then the next day.
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Speaker 10: Today what happens Hamas is a little beauty. This is
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Speaker 10: so good, you know, thank you Australia for standing with us.
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Speaker 10: This was entirely predictable. I'd love to know what defat
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Speaker 10: advice he got, because I bet there's a briefing out
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Speaker 10: there somewhere that said, you know, there's a very strong
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Speaker 10: risk that Hamas will come out and say, yeah, look
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Speaker 10: we think this is absolutely fantastic. But this sophistry that
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Speaker 10: the Prime Minister engages in here, we keep saying, oh no, no, no, no, Hamas.
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Speaker 10: They only want a one stage solution. They're the from
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Speaker 10: the river to the sea people, where is put it?
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Speaker 10: The other morning? From the river to the ocean or
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Speaker 10: whatever it was he said. I mean, like he just said,
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Speaker 10: you even know what he's talking about with this stuff. But
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Speaker 10: the thing is that call for from the river to
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Speaker 10: the sea. That's exactly what everybody who went out there
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Speaker 10: on the bridge was marching about the other day. That's
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Speaker 10: what the Palestinian extremists march about every week and have
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Speaker 10: been doing so for nearly two years now, disgracefully. So
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Speaker 10: he should know that this is this Palestinian maximalist position
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Speaker 10: of wiping Israel off the map, one way or another.
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Speaker 10: That's what the activists ultimately, if you follow their logical
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Speaker 10: conclusion want, which is, you know, the same thing as Hamas,
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Speaker 10: even if it's by different means.
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Speaker 9: Well, you don't even have to follow an argument or
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Speaker 9: a logical conclusion. They quite literally tell you in their
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Speaker 9: chance on university campuses, on the bridge in protests, we
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Speaker 9: don't want no Tuesday, we want all of it. There's
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Speaker 9: no heidden meaning there.
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Speaker 6: They are quite clear they won all of it.
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Speaker 9: So even they're not going to be pacified or appeased
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Speaker 9: by what Anthony Alberanizi has put forward this week. It
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Speaker 9: just beggars belief that he would just really isolate the
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Speaker 9: Jewish community even further isolate us from the US, from
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Speaker 9: our ally in Israel and do this and it's not
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Speaker 9: even going to help, I think domestically, well.
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Speaker 1: Defurther prosecute James's point. I mean, clearly probably Anthony Albanezi
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Speaker 1: and Penny Wong, who've got you know, as James says
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Speaker 1: that Apartment of Foreign Affairs back briefing them, that says
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Speaker 1: to me that they go, well, so what I mean
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Speaker 1: if Hamas comes out and says thank you very much
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Speaker 1: like they have to the UK or to France. I
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Speaker 1: don't care. I mean, I've done what I've always wanted
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Speaker 1: to do since i was in university. I mean, that's
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Speaker 1: the concern I have.
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Speaker 10: Well, and you know what's fascinating about this too, is
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Speaker 10: that a couple of weeks ago, Albertiz he went on
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Speaker 10: Insiders and he said, and sorry, I watched the stuff,
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Speaker 10: so you don't have to. But anyway, he went on
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Speaker 10: Insiders and he said, you know, there's no rush to
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Speaker 10: there's no rush to recognize we will do it eventually
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Speaker 10: when certain circumstances are met. Now, the only thing that
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Speaker 10: changed was apparently they got some tissue thin assurances from
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Speaker 10: the Palestinian authority which are not worth the paper that
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Speaker 10: are printed on. You know about maybe one day having
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Speaker 10: elections and maybe one day stopping their paid to slay
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Speaker 10: pension program for the families of suicide bombers and the like.
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Speaker 10: You know, that's not really a circumstance change. I think
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Speaker 10: what happened here is that the Prime Minister got a
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Speaker 10: rush of blood to the head. You know, he saw
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Speaker 10: Keir Starverer, Emmanuel Macron doing it, Mark Carny and Canada
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Speaker 10: and he said, oh boy, here's my chance to get
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Speaker 10: named in the same sentence with all these big Northern
12:43
Speaker 10: Hemisphere heavy hitters. And I just think that he got
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Speaker 10: out over his skis on this. As you say, he
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Speaker 10: wanted to do that. He's been wanting to do this
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Speaker 10: since he was back at Sydney University, living in a
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Speaker 10: grotty sharehouse in Newtown. Now finally he's living in the
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Speaker 10: lodge and he gets his wish.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the bridge in the bridge image has probably
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Speaker 1: pushed him over the line. I want to talk about energy.
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Speaker 1: He was up in some backyard in Brisbane today, which
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Speaker 1: is a little odd anyway, talking about solar panels and
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Speaker 1: how there's more solar panels on roofs than there are
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Speaker 1: swimming pools in backyards. I'd like to point out to
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Speaker 1: him that there's more houses in Australia that don't have
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Speaker 1: either solar panels or a swimming pool. Anyway, we've got
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Speaker 1: to cost a living crisis that doesn't seem to matter anymore.
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Speaker 1: New South had an energy Minister, Penny Sharp. Now she's
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Speaker 1: been granted these extraordinary powers over the future of renewables
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Speaker 1: in New South Wales, but some of her own party
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Speaker 1: with one member claiming, you know, we're going to have blackouts.
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Speaker 1: Doesn't seem to support this, James. The nation's largest coal mine,
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Speaker 1: are Wearing, is set to close within a year. Now,
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Speaker 1: how are we going to keep the lights on? For
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Speaker 1: God's sake?
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Speaker 10: Well, we've got a really big problem with that. Here
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Speaker 10: in New South Wales, Raring is set to close I
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Speaker 10: think in twenty twenty seven, a couple of years away
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Speaker 10: from now. Now, this produces something like twenty twenty five
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Speaker 10: percent of the power for New South Wheels, so it's
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Speaker 10: pretty important, right, Okay, it's pretty important here and there
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Speaker 10: are reports that are regulators reports which suggest that to
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Speaker 10: get the renewable energy that they need and that they're
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Speaker 10: building into the grid, they're going to need these synchronous condensers,
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Speaker 10: which are basically giant flywheels that stabilize the grid. Now,
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Speaker 10: you used to have the flywheels with the big coal
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Speaker 10: fired and gas fired turbines that did the job for you.
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Speaker 10: But now they've got to build them separately now import them.
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Speaker 10: They cost one hundreds of millions of dollars. They're huge,
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Speaker 10: so the size of a two story house, and the
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Speaker 10: whole world is competing with them. Now they've passed some
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Speaker 10: emergency legislation to say, hey, you know, let's step on
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Speaker 10: the gas and get these. But the fact of the
14:43
Speaker 10: matter is, you know, the lead times on these are long.
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Speaker 10: There's a lot of competition for these on the global market,
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Speaker 10: and if we don't get those in time, even if
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Speaker 10: those renewable electrons are out there through solar and wind
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Speaker 10: and battery and all the other complicated stuff that they're
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Speaker 10: building to replace simple reliable based load power, Okay, fine,
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Speaker 10: you know, if you don't have these sorts of things,
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Speaker 10: then the grid is going to be inherently unstable. Now,
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Speaker 10: we saw what happened in Spain earlier this year, We've
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Speaker 10: seen what's happened in other jurisdictions. A renewables dominated grid
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Speaker 10: is by definition more unstable. And this is this real
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Speaker 10: threat New South Wales has. This is why industry like
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Speaker 10: the Tomago A Liminum smelter are threatening to go out
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Speaker 10: of business. This is why we are in a manufacturing crisis,
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Speaker 10: at an industrial crisis in this country. We cannot make
15:31
Speaker 10: anything because it is too expensive to make anything.
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Speaker 1: You're going to end up like South Australia, running the
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Speaker 1: state on diesel generators. Caroline the finterview today, saying that
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Speaker 1: maybe Jim Chalmers and the Prime Minister Antony Albanesi and
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Speaker 1: not really on the same page when it comes to
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Speaker 1: this round table we're all going to be talking about
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Speaker 1: next week. I mean, it seems that Jim Chalmers jumps
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Speaker 1: out there and says something in Albanese, then follows it
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Speaker 1: up and reins it in. I mean, I'm not sure
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Speaker 1: sure we're going to get a hell of a lot
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Speaker 1: out of it. We'll get some tax increases, I suspect,
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Speaker 1: but I don't think there's going to be any real
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Speaker 1: revolution out of that room in camera next week.
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Speaker 9: Well, Anthony Albanize says that he's not going to surprise
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Speaker 9: us with any different taxes or tax increases other than
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Speaker 9: what he's taken to the election. But honestly, who can
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Speaker 9: believe a word he says anymore? He's lied that many times,
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Speaker 9: or he's gone back on his word that many times.
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Speaker 9: It is curious went from being a productivity round table
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Speaker 9: to now being an economic round table.
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Speaker 6: It doesn't seem to have.
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Speaker 9: Any defined stope in terms of what is going to
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Speaker 9: be disgusted at it. There are sources that are quoted
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Speaker 9: in the Financial Review Report, which place Albanezi and Charmers
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Speaker 9: at loggerheads over this. Both have been trying to claim
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Speaker 9: credit over it, and no one's quite sure who really
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Speaker 9: was behind the whole.
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Speaker 6: Idea of it.
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Speaker 9: So look, it could be a complete mass. Maybe something
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Speaker 9: worthwhile will come out of it. Certainly there is a
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Speaker 9: lot of conjecture that they will be new taxes or
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Speaker 9: increase taxes, or changes to GST or capital gains or
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Speaker 9: something that will be different which will help the government
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Speaker 9: solve its problems with the budget. So we'll find out
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Speaker 9: next week.
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Speaker 6: I suppose.
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Speaker 1: James just finally, I mean, I don't think anyone should
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Speaker 1: be able to wander around the streets protesting fully masked
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Speaker 1: up with a disguising their identity, because if they're doing that,
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Speaker 1: they're obviously up to no good. Victor and Gum today
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Speaker 1: again to come to pressure from the unions and the
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Speaker 1: human rights groups not to have a ban on face coverings.
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Speaker 1: Now does that mean they support this neo Nazi group
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Speaker 1: that walked through Melbourne on Sunday morning at one point
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Speaker 1: thirty am completely masked and dressed in black. I mean,
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Speaker 1: why should anyone be able to walk around with a
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Speaker 1: full face mask on, taunting police, spitting in their faces,
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Speaker 1: shouting at them. It should be illegal.
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Speaker 10: Well, it's so interesting, isn't it. You know, we've gone
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Speaker 10: in the past five years from telling everybody to put
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Speaker 10: their masks on to telling people to take their masks off.
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Speaker 10: This is a really tricky one, actually, I mean, yeah,
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Speaker 10: I get your point here about you know, obviously nobody
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Speaker 10: wants to neo Nazis marching through the streets or whatever.
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Speaker 10: And the thing is though, that this really comes down
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Speaker 10: to this question of do we have this right to
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Speaker 10: free speech, to political speech in this country now? You know,
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Speaker 10: So this is where we get to this question of
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Speaker 10: if you have a ban on these masks, is this
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Speaker 10: and you know, an imposition of free speech or you know,
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Speaker 10: if you have the masks off, then do you have
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Speaker 10: the right to say and do what you want if
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Speaker 10: you're standing behind them with your face to them. I
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Speaker 10: think there's a lot more interesting discussions that we need
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Speaker 10: to have here in this country around free speech that
18:52
Speaker 10: go beyond just these marches. And the thing that just
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Speaker 10: depresses me, it really depresses me, is we know that
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Speaker 10: after this, you know, Hummas and Palestine recognition by the
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Speaker 10: government here, we're going to see more in boldant Palestinian protests.
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Speaker 10: But we're seeing all these other protest groups coming out
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Speaker 10: of the woodwork on all sides now, and you know,
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Speaker 10: it's just tearing the joint apart. And I think most
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Speaker 10: people are just really really getting sick of it.
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Speaker 1: Well, Caroline, I'm getting sick of watching pro Palestinian protesters
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Speaker 1: marching down the street with keffe is wrapped around their
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Speaker 1: face so you can't see them. If you've got a
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Speaker 1: strong point.
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Speaker 9: Of view, you're feeling sick of it.
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Speaker 1: Imagine how you want to deliver it. Well, exactly. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: if you the conviction of what you're saying, you should
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Speaker 1: be brave enough to show your buddy face.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely.
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Speaker 9: I mean I believe in free speech too, but you
19:49
Speaker 9: need to be able to put your face to it.
19:51
Speaker 9: And the excuse is that the so called human rights
19:55
Speaker 9: groups who have been protesting the ban on face masks,
19:59
Speaker 9: I mean, the they're quite laughable, to be honest. They're
20:02
Speaker 9: saying we shouldn't have these face masks. Nothing to do
20:05
Speaker 9: with free speech, by the way, James. Their arguments are
20:08
Speaker 9: that people with disabilities, or people who are domestic violence
20:14
Speaker 9: or sexual assault survivors may not feel that they can
20:17
Speaker 9: participate in these protests because they can't cover their identity. Now,
20:23
Speaker 9: I'm sorry, I don't know how many Neo Nazis that
20:25
Speaker 9: were part of the march in Melbourne over the weekend
20:28
Speaker 9: are domestic violence survivors. But I think the safety of
20:31
Speaker 9: the community at large is more important here than and
20:35
Speaker 9: how a police got to determine this go around and
20:38
Speaker 9: ask them, excuse me, have you suffered domestic violence? Can
20:41
Speaker 9: we show your face?
20:42
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous, such a nonsense argument. James and Caroline, thank
20:47
Speaker 1: you very much. Catch up with you soon, James, Caroline
20:50
Speaker 1: Becker this systime next week. Now after the break, Pennywong's
20:53
Speaker 1: US counterpart, Marco Rubio, has hit back at our meaningless
20:57
Speaker 1: Palestinian stance. Plus with growing soon around AI, just how
21:01
Speaker 1: widespread is it already in our classrooms? Welcome back to
21:10
Speaker 1: the prossing for Peter Cridlin all this week. Well, now,
21:13
Speaker 1: despite Petty Wong Foreign Minister saying that I think yesterday
21:17
Speaker 1: in the day before that she gave her US counterpart,
21:19
Speaker 1: Marco Rubio, a whole lot of prior notice of our
21:22
Speaker 1: intention to recognize Palestine, well it hasn't stopped the Secretary
21:27
Speaker 1: of State from actually lashing the move.
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Speaker 2: Look at this, yeah, and first of all, it's largely meaningless, right,
21:34
Speaker 2: It's symbolic, and they're doing it primarily for one reason,
21:37
Speaker 2: and that is their internal politics. They're domestic politics. The
21:41
Speaker 2: truth of the matter is that the future of that
21:44
Speaker 2: region is not going to be decided by some UN resolution,
21:47
Speaker 2: is not going to be decided by some press release
21:50
Speaker 2: by a prime minister or a president from some country.
21:52
Speaker 2: It's going to be decided on the ground in fact.
21:54
Speaker 2: But all these statements are meaningless, like they're not can't
21:57
Speaker 2: change anything.
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Speaker 1: If he told Penny Wong that and you wonder where
22:03
Speaker 1: that is all going to go. I mean, this UN
22:05
Speaker 1: meeting is going to be fascinating next month. Joining me
22:07
Speaker 1: now to discuss this and more. Foreign Editor at The Australian,
22:11
Speaker 1: Greg Sheridan, Well, Greg, that's basically what you wrote in
22:14
Speaker 1: your column yesterday, exactly the assessment that you had, isn't it.
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Speaker 11: Well that's right, Steve. So the Albanesi government has achieved
22:25
Speaker 11: something surely unique in Australian history. On the same day
22:29
Speaker 11: it has been lavishly praised by the worst terrorist group
22:33
Speaker 11: in the world, Hummus praised Alberzi for his political courage
22:37
Speaker 11: and says that Alberanizi has vindicated Hummas's strategy against Israel.
22:42
Speaker 11: And on the very same day, the United States Secretary
22:44
Speaker 11: of State Marco Rubio, a long long friend of Australia,
22:48
Speaker 11: a very responsible, seasoned internationalist US senator, not a Maga type,
22:56
Speaker 11: a very moderate bit of a hawk, but a very
22:59
Speaker 11: very sensible man sche guy. He says that Albanesi is
23:03
Speaker 11: engaged in worthless populism for domestic politics, and he could
23:08
Speaker 11: have been a lot tougher on it than that. So
23:11
Speaker 11: this Yet, according to Albanesi, Marco Rubia knows nothing about
23:17
Speaker 11: the Middle East apparently, and Hummas knows nothing about what's
23:20
Speaker 11: in Hammas's interests. Albanesi and Penny Wong know everything. They've
23:24
Speaker 11: apparently dealt a death blow to Hamas and earned the
23:29
Speaker 11: thanks of the free world. I mean, this is Australian
23:32
Speaker 11: foreign policy at its absolute worst. When you are loved
23:35
Speaker 11: by the terrorist and you are making your closest allies
23:39
Speaker 11: pull their hair out in frustration, you are on the
23:42
Speaker 11: wrong course. And this is the triumph of domestic politics
23:46
Speaker 11: over good foreign policy.
23:52
Speaker 1: In your long and celebrated career. Did you ever think
23:56
Speaker 1: you'd be sitting here talking on live television about the
23:59
Speaker 1: day that a terrorist organization that murdered and kidnapped twelve
24:06
Speaker 1: hundred Jews on the seventh of October in twenty twenty three,
24:10
Speaker 1: including babies and women, drag bodies through the streets of Gaza,
24:16
Speaker 1: that the Prime Minister would be praised by that group
24:21
Speaker 1: for an action that he took an Australian prime minister.
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Speaker 11: No, Steve, I never did think that, and I'm ashamed
24:35
Speaker 11: of it. I'm ashamed that an Australian Prime minister is
24:39
Speaker 11: being lavishly praised by the most bloodthirsty, sick, sadistic, sexualized,
24:49
Speaker 11: sadistic terrorist group in the world, who praise his courage
24:54
Speaker 11: and say that he has advanced their cause. Now, the
25:01
Speaker 11: Prime Minister might say, well, doesn't matter what they say.
25:06
Speaker 11: What we say is what counts. But then at the
25:08
Speaker 11: same time say to a lot of other people the
25:12
Speaker 11: New Statesman, left wing British journals said, I'm asked as.
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Speaker 1: Well, we're having a bit of trouble with your audio there, Greg,
25:30
Speaker 1: We're going to have to leave it. I'd love to
25:31
Speaker 1: get you back on the program tomorrow if I can
25:34
Speaker 1: to talk about how important this summit that's going to
25:37
Speaker 1: take place, This meeting between Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump's
25:41
Speaker 1: going to take place now in Anchorage in Alaska. So
25:45
Speaker 1: we'll get your back, see if we can get a
25:46
Speaker 1: better line and chat about that, because clearly that's going
25:49
Speaker 1: to be a massive story when it comes around Saturday
25:52
Speaker 1: morning our time. Let's shift our focus now to the
25:55
Speaker 1: growing concern that we don't actually have a handle on
25:58
Speaker 1: the implications of our official intelligence in our classrooms.
26:02
Speaker 2: Now.
26:02
Speaker 1: I am a late adoptor to AI. I don't understand it.
26:06
Speaker 1: I don't really know how it can help my life.
26:09
Speaker 1: But the young people obviously are going to have it
26:11
Speaker 1: in their classrooms at school. Now. The Productivity Commission's called
26:15
Speaker 1: for a national approach to regulate that technology and make
26:20
Speaker 1: sure that our schools in particularly smaller states and territories
26:24
Speaker 1: don't actually fall behind. Here to walk us through this,
26:27
Speaker 1: education editor at The Australian, Natasha Natasha, thanks very much
26:31
Speaker 1: for joining us. Should we, as parents grandparents be actually
26:36
Speaker 1: concerned about the use of AI and sites like chat
26:40
Speaker 1: GPT in our schools and how widespread is this happening already?
26:46
Speaker 6: Look, it's a biquitous. It's everywhere.
26:48
Speaker 4: The difficulty is turning it off, as I found. So
26:51
Speaker 4: you know, kids will be trying to write something in
26:53
Speaker 4: a word document and Claude or chat cibuty or someone
26:57
Speaker 4: will pop up and say, can I help you with that?
26:59
Speaker 6: I'll write it for you.
27:00
Speaker 4: And I think the issue is that artificial intelligence can
27:05
Speaker 4: do great good but also great evil. It can be
27:08
Speaker 4: very dangerous for children because it can lead them down
27:12
Speaker 4: the areas very violent pornography that they're coming across online
27:17
Speaker 4: through these chatbots. It's really important that we do have
27:20
Speaker 4: a national approach and that there are some guard rails
27:24
Speaker 4: so that we know that what is being used in
27:26
Speaker 4: schools is high quality and also safe for kids, so
27:30
Speaker 4: that you're not getting marketing companies sucking out their data
27:34
Speaker 4: so that you know.
27:35
Speaker 6: Little Johnny's school test scores follow.
27:38
Speaker 4: Him into adulthood, or if he's been done something wrong,
27:42
Speaker 4: written something controversial, that it gets sucked into some sort of.
27:46
Speaker 6: AI training algorithm.
27:48
Speaker 4: So it could be really useful in schools. Teachers love it.
27:50
Speaker 4: It saves them so much time. They can write, you know,
27:54
Speaker 4: multiple choice multiple choice tests.
27:56
Speaker 6: They can think up assignments and lesson plans.
28:00
Speaker 4: That's a great idea for teachers, but we've got to
28:02
Speaker 4: be really careful how kids use it so they learn
28:05
Speaker 4: to use their own brains.
28:08
Speaker 1: Natasha, I think you've become aware. I read that you've
28:11
Speaker 1: become aware of a school in Melbourne's actually banned tech
28:14
Speaker 1: completely for the early years. I mean, when we talk
28:18
Speaker 1: early is this primary and pre secondary?
28:21
Speaker 5: Is that?
28:21
Speaker 1: Is that where you're talking.
28:24
Speaker 6: Up to year three. There is a real push for this.
28:29
Speaker 6: Some school principles in primary schools are really keen just
28:31
Speaker 6: to get rid of the tech. You know, we've had
28:34
Speaker 6: a good decade.
28:35
Speaker 4: Of kids distracted on their smartphones or you know, hot
28:38
Speaker 4: spotting stuff onto their laptop when they're meant to be
28:41
Speaker 4: you know, listening to the teacher in class, et cetera.
28:46
Speaker 4: I think pro Kha, the education minister in New South Wales,
28:49
Speaker 4: was brilliant. She came in one week into the job
28:52
Speaker 4: and she just banned smartphones.
28:53
Speaker 6: Bang done. Everyone else has been arguing about it for years.
28:57
Speaker 6: She got on and did it.
28:59
Speaker 4: And you know, the principles are saying how much happier
29:02
Speaker 4: their school yards are. The kids are talking to each other,
29:04
Speaker 4: there's less bullying. I mean it can be I just
29:07
Speaker 4: don't think this technology should be used unsupervised with kids.
29:11
Speaker 6: Let kids be kids and let them learn learn lessons themselves.
29:15
Speaker 4: A lot of parents has a big backlash now against
29:17
Speaker 4: technology because parents have just had a gutful of their
29:21
Speaker 4: kids glued to screens twenty four to seven, and they
29:23
Speaker 4: don't want them going to school and being glued to
29:25
Speaker 4: screens the whole time either. So you've seen a lot
29:28
Speaker 4: of alternative schools, like the Steiner schools for a long
29:32
Speaker 4: time have sort of shied away from that technology in
29:36
Speaker 4: favor of you know, traditional skills like running, writing, which
29:39
Speaker 4: is no longer compulsory in Queensland unbelievably.
29:44
Speaker 6: And parents just want their kids to get back to nature.
29:47
Speaker 4: They want their kids to read books that aren't being
29:51
Speaker 4: canceled on them.
29:52
Speaker 6: They want them to learn and be curious.
29:55
Speaker 4: Instead of a lot of the woke teaching and a
29:57
Speaker 4: lot of technology that is sort of distracting children from
30:03
Speaker 4: learning and wondering.
30:06
Speaker 1: You just wonder how far this will go Natasha, where
30:09
Speaker 1: parents might actually choose to send their children to a
30:12
Speaker 1: school that says listen up to year three or even
30:16
Speaker 1: maybe longer and right through school. Mobile phones will be
30:20
Speaker 1: put away when the school day starts. I mean I
30:23
Speaker 1: would put my hand up, I think to choose a
30:26
Speaker 1: school like that. But then you're going to have pushback
30:29
Speaker 1: from your children, I presume.
30:33
Speaker 6: Well, I don't know. I think a whole generation.
30:35
Speaker 4: I think most of our you has probably got through
30:37
Speaker 4: school without being connected on our phones to our parents
30:40
Speaker 4: the whole time. I mean, I think technology has a place.
30:44
Speaker 4: I think how fascinating it would be to learn a
30:46
Speaker 4: lot of the science and the history and geography these
30:49
Speaker 4: days with virtual reality, that would be fascinating, so long
30:53
Speaker 4: as the school is checking that the information is correct,
30:59
Speaker 4: that it's age appropriate, that sort of thing. It'd be
31:03
Speaker 4: just so much more interesting for kids to you know,
31:06
Speaker 4: perhaps enter ancient Rome using you know, VR. What I
31:10
Speaker 4: have concerns about is them using chatbots to kind of
31:15
Speaker 4: cheat their way through everything. So instead of learning to
31:18
Speaker 4: write a sentence or write a story, it's just getting
31:21
Speaker 4: a chatbot to do it for you.
31:23
Speaker 6: That's not learning, that's that's just cheating.
31:29
Speaker 2: Yeah.
31:29
Speaker 1: Just finally, I mean, it worries me what it's doing
31:31
Speaker 1: to our literacy levels. I mean, if you're if you're
31:33
Speaker 1: doing everything on a screen, if you've got auto correction
31:38
Speaker 1: on your spelling. What as you say, what are you
31:41
Speaker 1: actually learning.
31:44
Speaker 11: Now?
31:44
Speaker 4: This is very It's interesting to see now schools, as
31:48
Speaker 4: a private school in Melbourne saying we're going to limit
31:51
Speaker 4: our technology. There'll be none at all up to year
31:53
Speaker 4: three because a lot of these schools have had the
31:56
Speaker 4: money to do their own research and looking at the
31:59
Speaker 4: fact that often when you take notes by hand, you
32:03
Speaker 4: remember what you've written down a lot better than if you're, say, typing.
32:08
Speaker 4: I see it that kids are going to lose the
32:10
Speaker 4: art of writing and reading because everything's audio. Everything's talked
32:16
Speaker 4: to your bot on your phone and get a response
32:18
Speaker 4: back verbally. But I think it's important that we teach
32:22
Speaker 4: children all of those basics that we had growing up,
32:26
Speaker 4: because I think that enables you to harness technology when
32:29
Speaker 4: you're older and to not be tricked by it, to
32:32
Speaker 4: not be a servant of it.
32:36
Speaker 1: I agree one hundred percent. Natasha. Thanks for helping out
32:39
Speaker 1: and explaining that for us. Coming up after the break,
32:41
Speaker 1: the unions guess what they want? A four day week?
32:44
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you so? How to struggling businesses actually pay
32:47
Speaker 1: for that? Plus the reporters found Australia could be completely
32:50
Speaker 1: cashless here we go within five years. Welcome back to
32:58
Speaker 1: Price with your curl. Richard's up with some great words
33:01
Speaker 1: for us tonight. Let's go to our second panel, Skye,
33:03
Speaker 1: who's contributed to Jamie Rodgers and for a debut on
33:08
Speaker 1: sky on the panel South Australian Liberal Senator Leah Blythe
33:11
Speaker 1: Welcome to you both. I just want to talk about
33:15
Speaker 1: this story out of The Australian this morning. We've got
33:17
Speaker 1: the round table next week. Who knows what that's going
33:20
Speaker 1: to deliver? The act you have decided to whack on
33:23
Speaker 1: the table. We would like a four day week.
33:26
Speaker 11: Now.
33:27
Speaker 1: This is a pretty strong push by the union movement.
33:31
Speaker 1: Four days a week, no loss of pay, with a
33:34
Speaker 1: guarantee that productivity stays at the same level. It's a
33:39
Speaker 1: proposal that business leaders say, look, it's going to damage productivity,
33:42
Speaker 1: which is in the toilet anyway, investment and job creation.
33:46
Speaker 1: Here's the Treasurer of Jim Chalmers when he was asked
33:48
Speaker 1: about that earlier today.
33:51
Speaker 7: We haven't been working up a policy for our four
33:53
Speaker 7: day week. That hasn't been our focus. And what motivates
33:57
Speaker 7: our agenda and what motivates the ACU position is really
34:02
Speaker 7: making sure that workers in this country can balance their
34:05
Speaker 7: work and family responsibilities.
34:08
Speaker 1: Jamie, do you first. This is on top of the
34:10
Speaker 1: fact that the Victorian Premier, Decinda Allen wants to make
34:13
Speaker 1: it legal for an employee to tell an employer I'm
34:17
Speaker 1: working two days a week from home. I mean, this
34:20
Speaker 1: is craziness, isn't it.
34:22
Speaker 5: It really is, Steve. This is the complete opposite to
34:25
Speaker 5: productivity and the complete opposite of what we should be doing.
34:29
Speaker 5: Businesses will be looking at these decisions and think why
34:31
Speaker 5: on earth would we be investing in places like Victoria
34:35
Speaker 5: or Australia as a whole, because the union's making it
34:38
Speaker 5: look as though they don't want Australians to work at all.
34:41
Speaker 5: And one aspect that we should be discussing at this
34:43
Speaker 5: productivity round table is the sheer volume of government jobs
34:47
Speaker 5: as well, because in the past two years eighty percent
34:50
Speaker 5: of the jobs that have come and been created have
34:52
Speaker 5: been in that non market sector, so non government as
34:55
Speaker 5: government jobs and NDIS and productivity in that sector is
34:58
Speaker 5: at a twenty year low. So we really need to
35:01
Speaker 5: be addressing these issues as well, Steve. Now, we spoke
35:04
Speaker 5: about AI last week and how it's going to impact businesses. Well,
35:09
Speaker 5: if the unions want a four day working week, they're
35:11
Speaker 5: going to have to allow businesses to invest in things
35:14
Speaker 5: like AI to pick up the slack from humans. Jobs
35:17
Speaker 5: might be lost, but Steve, they'll probably get their four
35:19
Speaker 5: day working week.
35:22
Speaker 1: I mean, Leah last week week before we saw a
35:25
Speaker 1: Poland actually said that the Australian workforce fifty percent of
35:30
Speaker 1: the workforce, so one in two people relies on government money,
35:36
Speaker 1: taxpayers money, our money for their salary, either as public service,
35:40
Speaker 1: working for the government, on a pension on the ndis.
35:43
Speaker 1: I mean as a nation, surely fifty percent of the
35:47
Speaker 1: workforce can't be paying for the other fifty percent all
35:50
Speaker 1: the time.
35:54
Speaker 8: That's absolutely correct, and I think that goes to show
35:57
Speaker 8: the numbers in terms of productivity and why in Australia
36:00
Speaker 8: we've seen a decline in productivity over a number of
36:04
Speaker 8: years now. And it is very, very concerning to think
36:08
Speaker 8: that the union is pushing for a four day week
36:10
Speaker 8: for the same pay. And I worry about what small
36:13
Speaker 8: businesses are going to do, not just at home for
36:16
Speaker 8: me here in South Australia, but across the country. We're
36:18
Speaker 8: going to be expecting these small businesses who are under
36:22
Speaker 8: the pump when it comes to increased energy prices. They've
36:26
Speaker 8: got incredibly stringent ir laws and salaries that they've.
36:31
Speaker 5: Got to meet.
36:32
Speaker 8: And then we're going to add to this a twenty
36:34
Speaker 8: percent reduction in their workforce, but they're going to have
36:37
Speaker 8: to fork out the same amount of money. I just
36:39
Speaker 8: don't see how this adds up to greater productivity for
36:44
Speaker 8: our country. And I'm not sure why we will continue
36:47
Speaker 8: to cripple ourselves, particularly on an international stage.
36:51
Speaker 5: Why are we doing this to ourselves, Jamie.
36:55
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be starting a business these days. I've got
36:57
Speaker 1: to say, let's talk about that rate cut. The Reserve Bank,
36:59
Speaker 1: three of them now this year. But they're warning, and
37:03
Speaker 1: Jim Chalmers seem to try to walk away from this,
37:05
Speaker 1: but they're warning that Australia's weak productivity threatens our living standards, wages,
37:10
Speaker 1: long term economic growth. I mean, you don't need to
37:12
Speaker 1: be Jim Chalmers, you don't need to be the world's
37:15
Speaker 1: smartest polster. You just need to talk to people in
37:17
Speaker 1: the country at the moment. Ask your colleagues when was
37:20
Speaker 1: the last time they had a wage rise. Ask your
37:21
Speaker 1: colleagues how many people they know who've been made redundant?
37:26
Speaker 1: The real economy that is in your face if you
37:29
Speaker 1: ask the right questions, seems to be ignored by the
37:32
Speaker 1: people in the camera bubble.
37:35
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're right there, Steve. And when you look at Australia,
37:38
Speaker 5: we've had the largest fall and living standards across the
37:41
Speaker 5: modern world and the developed world, and it's sad when
37:45
Speaker 5: you see things like ten thousand people every month are
37:48
Speaker 5: facing homelessness. We're seeing increases in rent and food and
37:53
Speaker 5: healthcare and education and everything is continuing to go up. Yes,
37:57
Speaker 5: we did have that rate increase decrease yesterday, which was
38:00
Speaker 5: very welcome, but it's the reality of what everyone else
38:03
Speaker 5: is facing. Angler Care put out that report where they
38:06
Speaker 5: said a worker who was a full time worker on
38:08
Speaker 5: minimum wage, when they get to the end of the
38:10
Speaker 5: week and they've paid for their rent, and they've paid
38:12
Speaker 5: for their food, and they've paid for their travel, they
38:15
Speaker 5: end up with only thirty three dollars left. So right
38:17
Speaker 5: now we're at a cost of living crisis. But right
38:20
Speaker 5: now families are in a survival crisis where they're just
38:22
Speaker 5: trying to keep a roof over their head, food on
38:24
Speaker 5: the table. So Jim Chalmers can say that his government's
38:27
Speaker 5: doing a great job off the back of these rate cuts,
38:30
Speaker 5: but the reality is significantly different and they need to
38:33
Speaker 5: start doing some work with that. And productivity is the
38:35
Speaker 5: place to start because if that doesn't grow, our living
38:38
Speaker 5: standards are just going to keep going on the decline.
38:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't have great confidence about what's going
38:44
Speaker 1: to come out of that three day gab fist in
38:46
Speaker 1: Camber next week. Senator I wanted to play a grab
38:50
Speaker 1: for you. You're in South Australia, I mean South Australia
38:53
Speaker 1: is my home state as well. South Australia basically relies
38:57
Speaker 1: on an extension called from the Eastern States to keep
39:00
Speaker 1: the lights on and we famously all those years ago
39:03
Speaker 1: the whole city of Adelaide blacked out for about four
39:07
Speaker 1: or five hours. But the Prime Minister's out there today
39:10
Speaker 1: this morning in a backyard in Brisbane. Here's what he
39:13
Speaker 1: had to say. Have a listen.
39:15
Speaker 3: So Australia has the largest per capita number of solar
39:18
Speaker 3: households of anywhere in the world. Solar panels are more
39:23
Speaker 3: common in Australian houses than a backyard pool, so Leah.
39:29
Speaker 1: He says, solar panels are more common than backyard swimming pools.
39:33
Speaker 1: I would make the point that houses with no solar
39:36
Speaker 1: panels and no swimming pools are the majority of houses
39:39
Speaker 1: in the country. I mean, we're going down a very dangerous.
39:43
Speaker 8: Road to you, I think we are, and it is
39:48
Speaker 8: it just goes to show you just how out of
39:50
Speaker 8: touch the Prime Minister is. And certainly when I'm out
39:54
Speaker 8: speaking to people and they're talking about solar panel rebates,
39:58
Speaker 8: battery rebates, We've got people who can't even find rental housing,
40:04
Speaker 8: let alone get into purchasing a home and getting into
40:07
Speaker 8: their housing market. We're seeing energy costs absolutely soaring through
40:13
Speaker 8: the roof. Families are choosing between heating and eating in
40:17
Speaker 8: a lot of cases, and I look at elderly people
40:20
Speaker 8: as we come into summer, and as you would know
40:22
Speaker 8: being a fellow South Australian, we have some pretty harsh
40:26
Speaker 8: summers here and it is becoming more and more prevalent
40:30
Speaker 8: that people are not choosing to cool their homes, particularly
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Speaker 8: the old people families where they've got to keep children comfortable.
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Speaker 8: And this is, you know, it's not something to go
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Speaker 8: out and be proud of, because there are a lot
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Speaker 8: of Australians who can't afford solar. They can't afford batteries,
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Speaker 8: and they're the ones that are bearing the brunt of
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Speaker 8: the energy policy that this government is pushing. And I
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Speaker 8: might mention that you know, emissions here in Australia have
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Speaker 8: actually been up in the last three years under this
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Speaker 8: Labor government. And indeed, you know, fossil fuel use across
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Speaker 8: the globe has been increasing. So I wonder why we're
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Speaker 8: crippling Australian families and households. And then we've got a
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Speaker 8: Prime Minister going out there saying he's proud that there
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Speaker 8: are more solar panels than there are backyard pools.
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Speaker 1: It's well said, Jamie. Just for you go the Australian
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Speaker 1: Mobile Telecommunications Association, whoever they might be. So Australia is
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Speaker 1: going to be completely cashless in a couple of years time.
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Speaker 1: Do you carry cash in your wallet in your handbag?
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Speaker 5: So I actually dote Steve, and this was a huge
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Speaker 5: issue on the weekend when I went to one of
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Speaker 5: my children's school fates. He needed a gold coin donation
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Speaker 5: to walk in and I didn't have any coins on me.
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Speaker 5: So luckily though Hudson did my son. But who carries
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Speaker 5: cash these days anymore? So I wouldn't be surprised. It
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Speaker 5: is a massive challenge though, when you do have children,
41:54
Speaker 5: because they're convinced that you just tap everything and that's
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Speaker 5: how you pay. They've got no idea of the concept
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Speaker 5: of money. So I'm not surprised that this report says
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Speaker 5: that kas should be gone by twenty thirty. I think
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Speaker 5: we need to still have it, but I think it's
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Speaker 5: definitely on the way out.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I was disgracefully impatient behind a man trying to
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Speaker 1: pay cash in a seven eleven yesterday morning for a
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Speaker 1: couple of small items of coffee in a muffin, and
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Speaker 1: I thought, mate, just tap your card. The poor bloke
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Speaker 1: was trying to count out coins anyway. I should give
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Speaker 1: myself a whack on the risk for that. Jaimie and Leah,
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Speaker 1: thank you very much for both of you joining us.
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Speaker 1: We'll catch up with you next week, coming up after
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Speaker 1: the break. He's a regular on Wednesdays, Kell Richard's with
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Speaker 1: words welcome back, well thankfully Wednesdays come around very quickly.
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Speaker 1: I'm joined by Kretlin regular broadcast and wonderful word smith
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Speaker 1: Kill Richard's kel welcome to you always, good to see you.
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Speaker 1: Now am I allowed to have my own query as
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Speaker 1: to where a word or a fry phrase comes from,
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Speaker 1: you Steve anything. I'm pleased about that because I was
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Speaker 1: driving along with with a friend the other day and
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Speaker 1: we said to each other, where does the term hell
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Speaker 1: in a hand basket come from? I had no idea.
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Speaker 1: I knew immediately that kel would know. What's it?
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Speaker 12: I've got on us, Yeah, I've got it means going
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Speaker 12: to ruin.
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Speaker 13: So if you're going to hell in a hand basket,
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Speaker 13: there is a parallel expression which means he exactly the
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Speaker 13: same thing, going to hell in a handcart. And both
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Speaker 13: of them going to hell in a handbasket or a handcart.
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Speaker 13: Both of them were inspired by the French Revolution because
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Speaker 13: unwanted aristocrats were taken by the mob to the guillotine,
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Speaker 13: and when the blade came and the head came off,
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Speaker 13: the head rolled into a basket, going to hell in
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Speaker 13: a hand basket, and the aristocrats were dragged up to
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Speaker 13: the guillotine in a kind of handcart called a tumbrel.
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Speaker 13: So both expressions come from their fairly grizzly expressions when
43:55
Speaker 13: you think about it, come from the French Revolution.
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about such a gruesome topic. Now, the Union
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Speaker 1: push for a four day work week. That is an
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Speaker 1: amber claim. What does the term amber claim actually mean?
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Speaker 13: It means imprecise, covering a general territory. It comes from
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Speaker 13: a classic Latin word ambertuss, which means going around. So
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Speaker 13: in other words, you put in an ambit claim, you're
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Speaker 13: mapping out the territory where you'd like the thing to
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Speaker 13: end up. I must admit amber always reminds me of
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Speaker 13: dogs because they always sniff around before they do anything.
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Speaker 13: They're going around, you see, And that's what abbot means.
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Speaker 1: Amber means, you know, wasting time or using time to
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Speaker 1: work out where you want to go and what you
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Speaker 1: want to do. Is that right?
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Speaker 13: That's because you've got nothing precise, You've just got a
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Speaker 13: vague area that you want.
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Speaker 12: To be in.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the union's got a pretty an idea
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Speaker 1: of exactly what they want. They want a four day
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Speaker 1: work week where they don't have to work five days
44:59
Speaker 1: a week. Now, Tiffy's contacted US says that she heard
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Speaker 1: the word tom foolery used at the Logies and asked
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Speaker 1: where that comes from. I'm not sure how and in
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Speaker 1: what context it was used at the Logies. But if
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Speaker 1: I say that the stars of television were involved in
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Speaker 1: some tom foolery? What does that mean, Keil?
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Speaker 13: Can I just mention that in her email she used
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Speaker 13: the adjective drunken in front of it, drunken tom foolery?
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Speaker 13: Which you do about it goes back to the fifteen hundreds,
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Speaker 13: And in fifteen hundreds, anyone who believed but behave really
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Speaker 13: foolishly was called a tom fool. That is, they took
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Speaker 13: a really common Christian named Tom just attached her to
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Speaker 13: the word fool and then just said you're a tom
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Speaker 13: fool if you behave in foolish ways like that, and
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Speaker 13: that became tom foolery. So a fairly simple answer. It
45:52
Speaker 13: got a very old word fifteen hundreds.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's unusual, isn't it that it would be used
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Speaker 1: in a modern context, like yes, somebody some word survive
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Speaker 1: television or someone. Yeah, and I haven't heard that word forever.
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Speaker 1: To be honest, tom foolery. I mean, it's not something
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Speaker 1: I would normally say on the air about anybody. I
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Speaker 1: certainly wouldn't say it about you. Kel Sue says, envoy
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Speaker 1: or envoy You can correct me on which one? Please
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Speaker 1: advise the correct pronunciation. Is it envoy or on voi
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Speaker 1: or which one?
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Speaker 13: Okay, it's a word which came into English from French.
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Speaker 13: The French word meant messenger. Now the Oxford English Dictionary
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Speaker 13: says both pronunciations are acceptable, but it lists first the
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Speaker 13: envoy one, which means that it's preferred one, and envoy
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Speaker 13: comes second because they would rather you didn't actually say
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Speaker 13: it like that fairly. Obviously, envoy is trying to echo
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Speaker 13: the original French pronunciation of the original French source word.
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Speaker 13: But we are speaking English. So I go along with
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Speaker 13: the Oxford and say, let's all say envoy.
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Speaker 1: Envoy is what I would say. I was just trying
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Speaker 1: to think in my head. There, you know what I
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Speaker 1: would say. If you know kel is a great envoy
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Speaker 1: for the meaning of words, I'd definitely say envoy, would envoy,
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Speaker 1: wouldn't say envoy no, I'd say envoy I reckon.
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Speaker 12: Not envoy. Yes, And I'm encouraging you to rethink.
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Speaker 1: Steve, Oh okay, well, you know me, it's very hard
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Speaker 1: to change bad habits. Eileen writes, what is the origin
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Speaker 1: of the expression to be a guinea pig? I've got
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Speaker 1: no idea what that is.
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Speaker 13: It was named after the West African country Guinea the
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Speaker 13: animals don't come from the small rodents from South America.
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Speaker 13: But when they first arrived, which is about three hundred
47:45
Speaker 13: years ago in England, they had no idea where they
47:47
Speaker 13: came from, just some remote place overseas, and for some
47:49
Speaker 13: reason the name of the exotic place, guinea.
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Speaker 12: Was attached to them.
47:53
Speaker 13: As for the pig bit, the Oxford has this theory.
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Speaker 13: It says perhaps the animal was thought to resemble the
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Speaker 13: guinea hog. And of course because guinea pigs are used
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Speaker 13: by scientists and experiments, if you are being something new
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Speaker 13: and strange is being tried out on you, you are
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Speaker 13: a guinea pig.
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Speaker 1: Last one for gay says, what's the word fly in
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Speaker 1: the warming?
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Speaker 13: An unperceived observer, someone who hears and sees but is
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Speaker 13: not involved in the in the conversation, it's a very
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Speaker 13: clever image. It goes back to well, possibly the nineteen twenties,
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Speaker 13: and seems to go back to America.
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Speaker 12: We actually don't know. Pardon me who coined it?
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Speaker 1: Oh kill kills kel, I think you need to be
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Speaker 1: a fly on the wall. Appreciate your joining us very much.
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Speaker 1: We'll see you next week coming up. Andrew Bolt