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Episode 46: The Inner Revolution That Changes Everything · Conversations with Amoda Maa - Exploring Awareness Through Dialogue and Living Inquiry

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  Okay greetings one and all and welcome back to another podcast with
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  Amoda Maa and myself, Kavi. Hello, Amoda. Hello, Kavi.
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  So for the first podcast of 2024, we're going to talk a bit about something that's been arising
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  via a few questions from people recently. As some of you may know, we offer every year and have
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  have done for the past four years, our seminal program, a three month exploration into what
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  it means to, I don't even know how to explain it a moment, I don't want to give it too much
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  of a title. It needless to say it's had a couple of titles and one of them is a revolution
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  of love. And this year's I think we're calling it walking in the world as a warrior of love.
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  So you can get the idea of what we're talking about.
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  And we're going to explore it a bit.
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  And the reason for that is that we've had quite a few people
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  saying, what does it mean?
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  What is the revolution of love?
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  Revolution is a hot word.
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  What is the revolution of love?
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  What does it mean to walk in the world as a warrior of love?
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  What are these qualities?
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  So I thought it would be a good idea
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  to dive in and explore these themes a little bit, particularly because, you know, I don't
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  know, there's a sense around that the turbulence of the world is increasing. And I think we
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  can probably say that 2024 this year is going to be a quite an important year. So, you know,
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  this whole conversation is very relevant. So I think that's enough to open up this conversation.
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  Let me start. Amoda. What is a revolution of love? What does it mean to walk in the world as a
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  warrior of love and why is it important now?
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  A revolution of love, it's good to explore these terms and how they're being used in the context
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  of what we speak about and what we offer in service to individuals on the path of awakening.
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  Revolution has nothing to do with fighting the establishment in a conventional sense.
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  the word I've used it for many, many, many, many years because through my own awakening,
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  I experienced the shift in consciousness, the absolute transformation of consciousness as revolutionary
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  in the sense of it being a complete turnaround, a completely new paradigm. So it's not about
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  being against anything, although there is a certain truth to that as well in that it is
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  different to the establishment in the sense that it's different, a different paradigm of
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  consciousness to the established paradigm of consciousness, which is the ego consciousness.
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  That's really what it's referring to. The inner revolution, the inner revolution of consciousness
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  is a complete turnaround in the way that we see things and the way we relate to things in the way
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  that we operate in the world so that it's really freedom from the egoic prison,
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  freedom from the egoic identity. And in that sense, it's revolutionary, it's radical,
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  because it does change everything. So from, if you like, relating to the world, operating in the world
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  as a separate me, and a separate me is either defending or attacking in order to preserve
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  the identity or the comfort, the imaginary comfort or imaginary safety of the me and therefore
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  the ego identity thrives on opposition, it thrives on comparison, it thrives on one-upmanship,
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  it also thrives on victimhood, victim identity. This is the established state of consciousness,
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  the majority mass state of consciousness, we could call it unconsciousness. So here we're talking
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  about a revolution, an internal revolution, which is really what awakening out of me identity,
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  out of ego identity really is. Why is it a revolution of love?
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  Because that fundamental shift internally,
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  in the way that we see things, in the way that we are,
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  where we are rooted within ourselves,
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  is a shift from
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  separation to oneness, is a shift from fear to love.
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  It's a frequency of love.
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  It's a new kind of frequency field that is essentially love.
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  Love we can explore what that means, but essentially it means the open field of presence, the
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  open field of intimacy with what is.
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  the open field of non-violence, the open field of inner silence, all this gives birth to
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  love, gives birth to the frequency of love within ourselves. So I guess that's what
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  it's referring to in a nutshell.
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  What about the kind of turbulence?
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  Is it important?
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  I think we should open it up a little bit.
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  As you said, I've kind of dive into a little bit more
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  of what is meant really by love.
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  But why is the turbulence of the world?
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  I talked about it at the intro a little bit.
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  Is it now important? Is it an emergency?
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  Well, now is important because turbulence is a catalyst for that inner revolution.
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  Turbulence, whether it's turbulence in our own personal lives or on a more,
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  you know, worldly level, is exactly the place where we can either go further into unconsciousness
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  and give our allegiance unconsciously more and more to fear, to victimhood, to opposition, to
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  side taking, position taking, to a kind of separation consciousness, me against you,
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  me against them, them against me, and so on. And that simply perpetuates that
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  unconsciousness, that paradigm. Or in the midst of that turbulence, something shifts,
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  we turn our allegiance to something different to something. Perhaps that we've had a taste of,
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  but have never really fully given ourselves to. What we're really talking about here is the
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  commitment to truth, not ideological truth, not even philosophical truth, but the truth of our
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  being nature, the truth of what is here beneath and beyond all rising and fallings of thought,
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  all rising and falling of emotion, all rising and falling of narratives, all rising and falling
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  of empires. It's really being rooted in our being nature, which is not passive necessarily, it is not
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  sticking its head in the sand in any way. It is a great strength, it's spiritual resilience
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  and spiritual maturity. So we are talking about awakening out of the egoic paradigm.
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  But we are, if you like, including or embracing the world that we live in, our personal world,
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  our relationships are different aspects of our lives and the world, the experience of the world,
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  which is mostly fear-based these days and very turbulent. We embracing that as an opportunity,
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  as a very profound and potent opportunity to turn our attention, to turn our allegiance,
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  even in the midst of that to the beingness, the open awareness, which is the same as the
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  open presence that is always here, beneath, beyond, behind everything that appears as
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  part of the phenomenal world.
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  So it's not an awakening that takes us out into the mountaintop, the pristine clarity
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  of mountaintop, it's finding that pristine clarity within us in the midst of whatever turbulence is
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  going on. This is awakening. What else could it be? But it's, you know, we speak of the warrior of
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  love because it's exactly during these times of challenge. Again, in our personal lives,
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  a tragedy that happens a loss, something very unexpected.
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  And during these collective times of tragedy loss,
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  unexpected occurrences,
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  that we can,
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  we are called to develop our spiritual resilience.
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  We are called to develop our spiritual maturity.
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  And this is work in our work that we can do.
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  and recognize within ourselves that which is ever-present within all that changes.
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  And in this way we start to become, let's call it frequency holders, frequency holders
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  of love, not fear.
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  I had to put it simplistically, although it is profound in its simplicity.
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  The, excuse me, the, there's a definite observed, at least from this place, intensification.
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  This isn't so much a question. This is more just an observation really that there is an intensification
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  taking place happening in the world of the politic, in the world of the environment,
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  in the world of the collective. And that seems to be being reflected very much in a lot of the
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  intensification of individuals, where individuals who have a little bit of a door open to the
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  spiritual world, but maybe have only gone so far with it to a certain point and now being
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  cool to open up the door even more. I think I do see that that's happening and that's where the
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  deepest invitation is for people because it is quite a, you know, you talk with you, maybe in me,
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  in a sense, can talk about the revolution, a revolution, a turning, let's call it,
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  in some ways though it's a sort of easy thing. But it's not so easy.
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  this is a sort of little dance we have here. Yes, a little dance that we have here.
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  If I may say you, Kaby, like to emphasize the challenges of it and therefore the digging deep
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  within oneself. Because that's because it's experienced. Yeah, and I like to emphasize and
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  And it's a little bit of both.
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  It's a very fine line.
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  I like to emphasize the possibility of it being much closer
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  than anyone can imagine than you can imagine.
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  And that if we emphasize the difficulty of it,
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  then why bother at all?
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  And I'm not saying it's easy just like that,
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  some magical thinking or some fantasy world.
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  I'm simply saying the invitation, and I know through my experience, that even though it's
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  a long road in terms of a lifetime of working through this, and that we're not offering
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  that.
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  Whatever self-development is going on, whatever anyone's journey, wherever anyone's at, the
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  possibility is in this moment to stop, to stop and be still, to be still inside, to recognise
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  that which is true. And to me that is the closest most intimate reality there is. And
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  it may well be that I'm speaking, if you like, from this side of the fence, but I can tell
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  you there actually is no fence. It's all in the belief system and the identity, yeah?
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  And that's what we're here for. That's what I'm here for. It's to invite individuals
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  to the possibility that it's right here available. And yes, we have to revisit and yes, we have
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  to point. And yes, we have to invite and yes, we have to explore and inquire into what
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  stands in the way of this very fine veil between fear, ego, separation, limitation and falling
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  into openness because that's what it is. So here we dance.
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  I've got the answer to this conundrum, which seems to come up between the free salt regularly,
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  actually. And it's funny, because when you talk about it as being a hair's breath away,
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  more intimate than the breath itself, this is exactly what I talk about in my poetry.
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  So I don't, in my poetry, waxed lyrical about, "Oh, the challenge, oh, the difficulty, oh, why bother?"
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  it's very much the opposite thing. And the other thing that I'd like to say is that,
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  you know, since I did all of my work, which was hard work, there was no destination in mind,
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  back many, many years ago, without any knowledge of any of this stuff at all,
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  things have changed very much, and there is very much more of a field these days,
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  a collective field, not a forced field, a forced field or anything like that, but actually just
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  the fact that things are breaking in some kind of way, that things are breaking open in a certain
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  way and there are so many more people seeking liberation from egoic suffering, that that actually
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  does. I truly believe, bring it closer in the way that you're describing. I also just don't like
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  the idea of which is suggested in some ways on social media that there's a panacea and it's like
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  a magical thinking kind of stuff. So I like people to be aware of the facts of the matter.
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  Absolutely not. There's no formula or promise of immediate, what do we call it, salvation,
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  enlightenment, it is an exploration and each individual takes responsibility for that,
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  but it can be supported and it can be invited more and more because it's not invited in the world,
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  in the conventional world. The paradigm there. It must be invited somewhere, yes.
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  Yes, it supports the matrix field of opinion, position taking, division, identity,
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  and so on and so on. And so that goes on and on in the world, the ultimate expression being
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  war, war and violence, whether we experience a certain kind of war and violence in our
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  closer environment, in our relationships or within ourselves, that's where the war
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  ultimately is. It's the same war. So somewhere in this world, which is what we're serving,
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  is a new conversation or a more true conversation
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  to ignite the commitment to discovering what is true.
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  Again, not ideal, ideologically discovering what is true,
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  what is always present, what is true
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  other than anything that you think or feel
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  or see or believe what is more true.
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  discovering what is the open frequency field of love
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  and not fear, not war, not division within oneself.
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  So it starts within.
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  And these are qualities of the warrior.
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  The warrior lives with internal integrity,
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  with internal dignity, with internal,
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  if you like grace even.
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  And these are qualities that we can explore
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  and develop and support.
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  And when we come together as a group,
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  as a community, as a whatever it is,
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  it's an amplified field.
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  So that's what we're really referring to.
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  And it is important during our times.
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  And not just during at times,
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  it's always been important.
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  - These two have always been times.
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  - If we're suffering.
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  - Yeah, it's always these times.
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  if we're suffering, if there's psychological suffering of some kind and we yearn for liberation,
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  we've got to the point in our individual evolution where seeking the resolution in the world of
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  form, things, achievements, recognitions, identities, external love that we might get from somebody,
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  and so on have no longer fulfilling, are no longer satisfying and seem to be cyclical.
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  You know, we get fulfilled and then we get disappointed if you like and then another cycle
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  begins. Once we've come to that place in our own personal evolution, then we start looking within.
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  And so the internal revolution, the internal transformation can really begin. And I think
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  more and more people, what's different now to perhaps maybe thousands of years ago is that there
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  are more people coming to that point. Perhaps because the world is more turbulent, the world
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  is more chaotic, the world is more sort of pulling us into a kind of materialism. And so it's like
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  escalating and it's no longer giving us the fulfilment, the peace, that we know is more
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  true than anything that we can temporarily grasp onto in the world of form. And so that's
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  changed and I think more people are ready and are available. And if I may add something
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  to the pot and of course you know this story, it's not a story, it was an experience but
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  the telling of the story of many, many, many years ago, I think it was about 30 years ago,
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  now actually or 25 or something. I experienced a very powerful, powerful vision. This was long
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  before awakening on my own journey. I had started some exploration but it was very early stages.
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  had a very powerful vision of the future. And it really was felt and known to be some future
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  reality or at least a possibility of, and again, this may be metaphorical, it may be literal,
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  that I don't know, but it was a very palpable visceral experience of the world, actually it was
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  burning. The whole world was burning. In other words, it was coming undone. Something was coming
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  undone. And I was, I, yeah, in my visionary state, in the vision, was an observer of this.
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  And as I sat observing the whole world burning, I felt within myself a kind of choice. The choice
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  was to go running and screaming into the drama to try and do something, to save myself, to
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  save the world or whatever.
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  Without the fire.
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  Yeah.
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  Or to remain as stillness.
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  But the stillness, to remain as stillness wasn't running away from it.
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  I was right there.
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  The world was burning in me.
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  And the stillness was, yeah, it's like such a delicate navigation point.
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  One can easily get pulled by a thought, by a fear, by a compulsion to do something, to
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  either run away, to block it out, to bury one's heads in the sand, to avoid it, to save it,
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  whatever, to control it, to fix it.
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  And I just remained and I remained and it was such a strong sense of the inner consciousness
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  that is being called for.
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  And as I remained, and the remaining as stillness is a very soft, which we call it, position,
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  but very soft.
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  It's not tightly holding to stillness.
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  It's very soft.
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  Yeah, it's right here.
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  And in that remaining as that stillness, as the world burnt, it transformed and the whole
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  vista became one of light, just light.
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  Now what that actually means on a literal level, I'm not prophesying anything and I'm
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  not psychic in that way and I don't even know whether that is accurate, you know, the psychic
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  guy it might be. But I really got a sense of what was coming in terms of a shift in consciousness,
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  both for myself but also collectively. And I think that's what we're experiencing now.
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  Oh, my dear.
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  Which is why I speak a lot.
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  I mean, awakening took place years after that.
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  And of course, then it all made sense.
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  It all fell into place.
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  But I speak a lot about the light of being because that's what it is.
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  And that ultimately is what matters.
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  You have talked about this a lot.
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  You've shared this with me on a number of occasions and it's always had the same profound
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  effect on me because I know you to be not just a teacher of awakened consciousness but
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  also there is a mystic quality to you and a kind of divine quality to you and in that
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  a kind of a racula, you know, looking into looking into the pool of, and it's not by
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  design and it wasn't ever by, you know, anything that you did, but I think you have a third
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  eye, the gift of an eye, of an eye, you know, that happens and it's just a kind of part
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  of you. And so when you spoke that to me and you've included it a few times in part of
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  your teaching but haven't made a meal of it because, you know, seeing this, it's not about
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  that. But that it brought me to this delicate possibility and it contributed, has contributed
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  over the years very much to absorbing and imbibing the fragrance of what you talk about
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  in the teaching, which is that delicate possibility of being right here in this. And when you
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  say there's no tightness, there is no tightness, there is no force. And the veil part, somehow,
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  that's when you're speaking, the veil of illusion itself, hearts, and it might seem like it's burning,
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  but that's because the light is so bright. And this is not spiritual isms, and it's not magical
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  thinking. It's like some strange possibility, some strange, yeah, if it's if it came to you in a
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  vision, then it's real in that sense. But what's so real is this invitation. Let me just finish
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  this invitation that keeps coming up through this teaching, this work with you. And now, to
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  certain extent, through me, is this possibility of this, justice, justice. And I love that because
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  it's stripped away everything to just thisness. And if we can get just in that soft, as intimate
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  but as the breath itself, as intimate as the whisper,
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  something is in that.
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  There's something for us all in that.
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  It's not yours, it's not mine, it's itself.
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  There's something about that.
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  - That's right.
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  I mean, it is mystical on that sense.
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  That's a kind of divine communion with the beyond,
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  the beyond which is so intimate, it's right here. What came to me as you were speaking was that
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  many years after that vision, I mean really many years after that vision,
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  Eckhart Tolle wrote his book A New Earth. Well he wrote a power of now first but when
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  new earth came even after that and I don't remember which year that was. Well he's talking about the
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  same thing. He's talking about an inner transformation of consciousness from out, you know, out of the
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  egoic paradigm and the possibility of the birth of a new earth. I mean he doesn't go into details
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  as to what the new earth is but this is what we're speaking of and that's exactly what my vision
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  why. So it's interesting on that level in terms of a time frame that this really was in some ways
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  prophetic in the sense that the momentum of that possibility of this shift in consciousness
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  started to emerge in the world because at the time that I experienced the vision,
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  As far as I know there wasn't so much of a conversation about it.
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  Not in the more mainstream. No, certainly not this close.
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  So, you know, talking about shifts in consciousness and the new earth has really become part of the
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  I wouldn't say everyday language in the majority of people, but certainly in the field of those who
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  are seeking or even self-development or working on themselves in some way. So it's become very
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  normal language. And I think that in that sense that shift is happening in that way.
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  And the world is burning. I think yes, I mean, I've actually seen people, even some people who are
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  a little bit more feet on the ground, but actually talking about this whole fifth-dimension thing
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  about all of these shifts which we're not, we don't touch any of that stuff. But I've listened
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  and I've listened to some of those people and even though they don't speak to it awakening in
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  the same kind of way, there is a sense of the same thing which is the illusion of the world,
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  the egoic matrix that's built on this collective egoism that has been running for a very long time
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  is beginning to reach its threshold, where it's either going to devour itself or some
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  other butterfly-like thing is going to kind of break through.
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  Obviously, the mind then grabs a hold of that and turns it into anything.
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  But throwing it out completely is also maybe not so fair, but then you come back to just
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  this.
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  That's what I like about it.
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  It doesn't give the mind the opportunity to run off into the distance so much.
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  That's right. It's not about envisioning a new world. It's not about what can we do.
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  And there are many things we can do if that's what calls us and moves us.
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  But that's not what we offer. And certainly this program is not about that, even though we say
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  walking in the world. We really mean that which you're pointing to. This is an openness, presence
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  and openness in all aspects of life. And then what happens in life, how it unfolds, how it
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  manifests is really up to the individual that's not for us to say. But when the inner transformation
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  takes place, then that manifestation, if you like, that unfoldment is more likely to take
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  place within that individual's life, and each individual is a drop in the ocean. So, yeah,
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  perhaps something changes collectively in that as well.
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  Yeah, I remember a vision that somebody, not a vision, but actually a truth, a truthful thing
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  that somebody shared about Oxford Street at Christmas in London, which was heaving with
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  hundreds and hundreds of people. But every year, and I heard this, and I'm never sure
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  whether it was true. I never saw it myself. But there was this one Zen monk who used to
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  go to Oxford Street and walk down Oxford Street like this. Was he in Oxford Street? We have
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  no idea. He was walking, but the way he walked drew some people towards him, repelled others,
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  but it was as though he was just the invisible one walking through the matrix and that vision
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  is endured with me of this peacefulness, almost, equanimity, grace.
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  Yes, walking in the world as peace. Yes, absolutely. And surely that is of value in our
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  lives and in the world to walk in the world as peace.
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  So let me, I don't, I don't, I'm not going to finish quite yet because I want to read
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  a couple of your, your quotes and see where they land. And you, a warrior stands in the
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  light of being always. The light of being is the open awareness that is a constant throughout
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  all risings and fallings of thought, all risings and fallings of emotions, emotion,
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  and all risings and fallings of empires. In this open awareness, love reveals itself as the true
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  foundation of who we are and from this love, right action arises. That's right, that's, I hope,
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  exactly what we've been referring to. The question is not what should I do? Right.
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  How can I be? How can I be from that beingness? Right action will inevitably take place.
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  Not right according to some ideology, not right according to some belief system,
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  not right according to self-righteousness, but right because it is according to natural
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  intelligence. It's not driven by the ego self, the ego self which thrives on superiority or inferiority.
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  the ego self that survives, thrives on opposition, on comparison, on one
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  upmanship, on victim identity, higher than or lower than, different from, right, you're wrong.
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  Or even I'm wrong, you're right, either way it's a polarity, and so the ego self perpetuates itself,
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  the identity. This that we're speaking of does not operate from that. And then right
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  action takes place, action that is in alignment with the intelligence of the whole, the intelligence
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  of life itself, not in conflict with the intelligence of life.
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  creates more conflict. The ego creates more division, which is exactly where we are in the world right
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  now. It's a mass manifestation of ego, of mass, you know, individuals, collective ego. Yeah, so
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  here we are. The world is always a reflection of who we are, not in the deepest sense, but who we
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  think we are. It's amazing how the world, the ego world has been built from in the singular
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  "I'm me" and then another one and then another one and another one and other people tend to think
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  that they're doing right and good and some are obviously, but coming from that divided place,
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  particularly of righteousness, only builds upon the ego structure and the citadel, you know, is
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  is wavering, it can't hold any more opinions, it can't hold any more egoic thing. And that's why
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  this is, that statement and what you're just talking about is actually extraordinarily
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  profound and does take me to Arjuna in the Great Battle, in the Bhagavad Gita, when he's
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  faced with a conundrum of going into battle and he's tormented by that, that he's going to have
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  to potentially go and kill cousins and relations. And he calls on Krishna who guides him through
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  the infinite universe, how all things are one thing, all things are one thing, and takes
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  him into the heart, depth of being. And from that place, he's still able to take his place
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  in the world and still has to do what it is that he's called to do. And this is a deep
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  thing that in a way we've forgotten. We don't know it. We've lost it because we're
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  innately so not innately, but we're so divided within. Can't feel that depth of what is right
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  in its truthful way. That's why I think this is very beautiful because I think I've seen and
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  I've noticed with people who've been on that program over the years that we've done it that
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  actually something can, oh, I see, I feel it. I can feel that
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  rightness within. And that's the juice. It's not what the
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  teaching is or what it appeals to the mind, but to actually get a
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  taste of that, that within. I'm going to keep going. I've got
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  another one unless you want to add something that was
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  please go ahead. Can we train to be this warrior? Yes, she said. The training is a gradual turning
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  of allegiance towards the presence that is deeper than any narrative or thought. A gradual erosion
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  of the ego self that allows us to fall open into the light of being, a gradual emergence
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  of our true inner sovereignty. Precisely. Precisely.
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  Is there anything you'd like to say? So we can. There is a certain
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  quality of trainingness to what we can do. And we have to be careful with that word.
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  that we have to be careful with that word. It's used as a
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  pointer to something. It's not a training in the sense of
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  amassing any spiritual knowledge or beliefs and so on. But it's a training in the sense that,
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  Well, it is because it's an inner muscle.
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  Yeah, it's an inner muscle.
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  And I know we speak and many teachers speak present day and not present day teachers of
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  the grace.
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  Yeah, there's nothing we can do to awaken.
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  I'm a nice speaker. There's nothing we can do to awaken. It's not cause and effect. It's not if I
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  do this or practice this, then I'm going to awaken. And we speak of the quality of grace. There's a
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  ripeness that takes place. So on that level, no, we can't train in order to awaken. What we're
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  doing is preparing the ground because it's also magical thinking to believe that you do nothing
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  and you go about your life completely unconsciously without any insight and without any kind of inner
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  sort of deep inquiry. And one day just because you want it or dream of it or read about it,
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  awakening is going to fall on your head and bestow you, yeah, enlightenment. That's grace. No,
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  it's not going to happen like that. There's a preparation that needs to take place and that's
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  what the training is. The preparation is the inquiry, the inquiry within to what am I committed
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  to? What am I turning my allegiance to in this moment, in this moment, in this relationship, in
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  this aspect of my life? Yeah, what am I giving my devotion to in each moment? And so the training
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  is a constant or a possibility of a container that allows that inquiry to take place,
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  not just one off in one conversation, but over and over again for a period of time,
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  so that we truly come, the individuals participating in this so-called training,
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  are coming to their own turning point within where they are really devoted to that,
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  which is what we might call the light of being the presence, the open awareness here and here and
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  here come what may in the phenomenal world because that's the only doorway to true salvation, to true
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  freedom, to true peace, to true transformation on all levels for ourselves and for the world.
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  And so the training is the preparation. It's like cooking up the chickpea in the pot.
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  we can't make the chickpea dissolve. Yeah, we don't say, all right, now you're ready to dissolve.
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  We're going to, that's it. And the chickpea doesn't do it to itself.
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  And the chickpea doesn't decide when the right time comes. But we prepare the pot, we cook the pot,
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  we give the fire to it. And then that fire finally takes its own life force within the individual.
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  And that's when it, yeah, something starts to take place. So that's what we're doing. In that sense,
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  it is a training ground. It's a preparation ground. It's a container, an amplified safe container
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  of cooking it up. Because without looking within, because the world, the world and
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  the way we've been trained, everything's a training that's called conditioning,
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  is to look out, to look out, to look out at what we do, what we have, what what we think we are,
• 6:45
  what we want to be, where we want to get to, what we want to amass, and so on and so on. So it's always
• 6:46
  in that direction. So now we have to undo that. We go in the other direction, we go within
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  and ask deeper questions and look deeper. It's an existential inquiry which some individuals can
• 6:48
  well do on their own. I did. I've been existential all my life. I just need to be part of a group
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  to do that. But most people are not. They need that help. They need that support. They need that
• 6:50
  container that says, "Okay, now, just for this period of time, we're going to look in the other
• 6:51
  direction." Yes, yes, yes. I know. I'm just a wax lyrical about that. It really has been over
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  over the last three or four years that we've done this,
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  that actually one of the byproducts
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  that I didn't realize in the first year
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  was the relationships that actually built up
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  through people with each other.
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  And the ability or the capacity to look out
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  across the universe or the, I mean, the world through Zoom
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  and see that other people are equally as being challenged
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  but also are equal in their commitment to themselves
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  and to this journey and to the deepening.
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  And so it's sort of, and that grows.
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  Our I think, you know, that grows over the very supportive.
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  - It's very encouraging.
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  - Yes.
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  - Really.
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  - What many people experience,
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  and that's what we see,
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  is that they feel very alone with this.
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  - Yes.
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  - Yeah.
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  - And so, yes, this is bad.
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  - And it is.
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  - And it's difficult enough.
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  without making too much of a point of it.
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  It's difficult enough when you're on your own
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  because there's no context necessarily.
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  - For sure, yes.
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  - You know, and so this provides that context.
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  And it's beautiful because there's a community
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  that starts to build up.
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  And some of those, a couple of those,
• 7:23
  few of those people have done the training one year
• 7:24
  and then another year because there's such a thing.
• 7:25
  - Yes, because it's actually very different each year.
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  Although we have a structure, you know,
• 7:27
  with specific themes. Those themes have been tweaked slightly. They've evolved over the
• 7:28
  past few years. And every conversation that is offered is actually fresh. They're not
• 7:29
  going to go back. And there's no notes. There's no. Yeah, it's taking the same theme and
• 7:30
  speaking to it and from it now of what's relevant now. And that's going to be slightly
• 7:31
  different depending on the community that we're speaking with the individuals. And really
• 7:32
  what emerges in the freshness of now. So it's always slightly different.
• 7:33
  Yeah. It's always, it is always very fresh, very alive, very, very true, very real. Okay,
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  have you said, have we introduced that theme of we explained it quite well?
• 7:35
  I have no idea when we explained it well. I think we've explored something. I hope it's spoken to
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  to somebody or to many.
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  And I think that's probably enough for now.
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  - Okay, so we've got it, of course.
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  The three month training program is starting in March.
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  If you feel called, get in touch or jump on,
• 7:41
  you'll find it through a Amoda's website,
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  amodamaa.com.
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  Fantastic, we'd love to see you there.
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  Thank you so much.
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  Thank you, Kavi.
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  Okay, I'll see you again soon.
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  Be well.
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  And we look forward to seeing you once again.
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  Take care.
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  God bless.
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  Adios.
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  Namaste.
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  That's what it is.
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  Adios.
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  Namaste.
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  Excuse me.
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  Gonna add all the variations of... See you later. Thank you for being with us. Thank you for listening.
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  Okay, lovely. Thank you.
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  Goodbye in many languages, none of which I know. Take care.
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